European Union

Good idea, horrible execution. It needs more popular representation. Also the EU bureaucrats and elites need to stop pushing their ideology on the people. It's getting old.

The Kalergi Plan

wtf a paddy redpilled on the EU am I dreaming?

Unrepresentative and undemocratic and unaccountable.

It's fucking shit.

No constitution?

My answer is; a stupid, dying, enigma

Old blue bloods trying to impose an aristocracy on the ignorant masses through a series of unelected committees. They need to be reminded of what what happens to the aristocracy when they decided it's "fashionable" to fuck over the little people.

The EU is a failed attempt to end nation state sovereignty in Europe.

It's been successful at ending nation state sovereignty but it failed to fully destroy it before the cracks began to show.

All the EU ever did in its existance is:
-flood the north and west with invaders
-bankrupt the south and soon the east
Fuck 'em.

worked so well last time...

>slowly
Way ahead of that, I'd say.
You see, what they don't tell you about the gibs that germany sends to poland and other eastern member-states, is that most of that money has to flow back into germany. In essence, we give german money that poland can invest into the german workforce.

Now, don't let me even get started on brussels, because we all here should know who proposes most of the laws.

In our defense though, france is a close second in the EU, with both countries playing the same fiddle.

Germany needs to leave, so we can hurry up and get the 4th reich

a German trick to finally conquer and impose their will on Europe, as they've always wanted.

average idea, poor execution, awful leadership

As an economic union, very solid idea. If it was just an economic union between the rich western european countries, it would have been great.

However, there was a fixation of adding countries with drastically different economies, and they made the fucking stupid decision to have a single currency. They have also become about ruling over the whole continent and it is more about policy than anything else

Glad we left. If it were an economic union between just the rich countries then I would have been okay with it.

The United European Socialist Republic.

"The ideas that underpin our modern world—meritocracy, equality before the law, property rights, religious toleration, modern secular education, sound finances, and so on—were championed, consolidated, codified and geographically extended by Napoleon. To them he added a rational and efficient local administration, an end to rural banditry, the encouragement of science and the arts, the abolition of feudalism and the greatest codification of laws since the fall of the Roman Empire."

Removing the influence and exploitation of the juden, yes, it did work out well.

The brit knows

And it can produce sweet stuff like ESA

It's literally the only state that can challenge the USA and dethrone it

Here's a red one:

>every single anti-EU separatism movement inside the EU can trace its cause to the USA

Here's a redder one:

>If you're cheering for Brexit, you're eating American destabilization propaganda

Leuke kanker

a self-serving monstrosity. no accountability. far too much power. Should be decapitated and replaced with a trade area and a much, much looser federation

>American destabilization propaganda
>our president literally shilled for Remain
sure m8

I like the idea of a EU but not the current EU.

We should go back before the Treaty of Lisbon and the Euro. That was the good EU.

Not centralized, everyone converges but is still their own individual nation. We can commerce, we can even do the whole Schengen thing but no more fucking with the financial system.

Also don't forget EU's pushing of mega retarded ideologies under the guise of "european values" like post-nationalism, multicultularism, sozialism, disgenics and sozial engeneering as a whole to further their plan of "european integration", aka
>gib continent
>we wuz roman empirez n sheit

>>every single anti-EU separatism movement inside the EU can trace its cause to the USA

Most separatist movements have obvious, non hidden ties to Russia, though.

>we left.
you haven't left yet.

It does not represent the will of the European people. It oppresses them so that the agendas of the elite can be pushed.

DELETE THIS!!!

A failed European experiment or a successful Jewish one, depending on your perceptive.

Your country literally prohibits the secession of states from the Union.

Hmm, I wonder why.. probably has to do something with it literally being a Lose-Lose decision and impacting both sides negatively.

Okay gypsie Jew. How's Cenk?

did you get buttblasted by the truth?

A corrupt, bullying organisation that is a parasite upon the peoples of Europe. The EU is not Europe and does not have the best interests of the European people at heart. It is designed to strip power and sovereignty from European nations and consolidate it into the hands of an unaccountable elite

Completely dreadful.

A single market is fine... thats it!

No common currency, No doctrine, no flag, no ideology, no political process, no parliament!

Tell me then why the fuck did the EU try to become just like the america this entire time, with all those american ideologies like multiculturalism and "strenght in diversity" as well as being sponsored in its inception by the US as well?

What the fuck are you talking about proxy samefagger? US federalism is based on political as well as economic union, and includes representation. EU has no representation and only economic union. We've prospered. Your shit fell apart in like 30 years. Say hi to Achmed, Jew shill faggot.

that's the german's doing. trying make the EU into 4th reich. you should know

You did not answer my question, mr cryptic.
The germans began to accept so called "gastarbeiters" on american incentive. Especially turks.

Yeah the US was probably playing 55 dimension hyperchess and was attempting to annex the EU soon

Or, maybe, the EU is not a puppet (because exercising such control over such an economy is literally impossible) and is independent?

>everything the german decides to do is the US' fault
>everything the american decides to do, is the jew's fault

Good idea essentially replicating the early American confederacy. Too bad it's too closely replicating the early American confederacy as a small number of states, namely France and Germany now, hold too much power over their peers.

I would love to live in an EU, but the fact is that it's too idealistic and bound to fail or become so authoritarian to the point that its hostile to human dignity. It's a happy few decades followed by a sharp decline as people pour in for the same reason I would, a future. But the same pouring in just hastens the orginazations own demise.

Should have kept those borders open internally and closed externally to all but the most capable. Invent those artifical wombs so you don't need a bunch of horny men from Africa and West Asia.

This. It could have been good but has turned into shit in many aspects.

I work partly for my government and partly for the EU Commission though, so can't complain too much,

I prefer fucking fascism with Franco than europe union at least my family had a job

Ok so you guys don't know shit and just try to turn other peoples questions around? Ok, good to know.

the EU is about to start using basic income. what then?

kanker leuk

it's an abomination of a fine original idea (economic cooperation zone) that has since outgrown its purpose (sovereignty grab regarding legislative and judicial matters, lately creeping on executive as well), nothing but a yid puppet org that will meet its belated demise sooner or later, hoping for sooner here

yeah, I'm a paid CTR shill myself

it's good coz of gibs, me and Maryśka cuck Hans on political level]
BUT
if Hans made children too instead of cleaning up the mess after Ahmed i'd be happy

Needs reforms and competent politicians. It should be a Union by the Europeans and for the Europeans. Not some beaurocratic monster working every day against their interests.

Migration to Europe will increase 100 fold.

Socialism will have succeeded in destroying our beautiful continent.

It sucks Obama-like amounts of muslim cock.

A club of awkward frankly beta nameless suits completely disconnected from the masses trying to unify an entire continent of countless ethnicities, languages, morals, traditions and cultures with the ultimate aim of replacing the indigenous diversity with a soup of shit that will be willing and subservient to the goals of the presiding elites.

I just hope the Baltics and Visegrad escape when France and Germany collapse.

plot to destroy the European people

it must die

>mfw germans won't use basic income to not be flooded by poles yet they take rapefags

Honest opinion.

Something caused pic.
Europe, Immigration, or just Westminster incompetency.
A mixture of all to be sure, but I'd place the major blame onto immigration raising prices, and forcing down the cost of labour. Without the EU... immigration wouldn't be nearly as much of an issue.

This

A manifestation of the universalist secular liberal ideology adopted by Europe in the 20th century after the death of Christianity. A soulless sclerotic naval gazing bureaucracy severed of human essence passion and drive and replete with the many contradictions that abstracted liberal philosophy brings which survives entirely due to weakness and fear on the part of individual member states.

Much like communism, to the untrained reader it seems like a wonderful idea on paper. However it's move from an economic agreement to federal governement was it's inevitable downfall. Now we have crisis being orchastrated by the German leadership. All for the sake of a pipe dream of globalisation, as if it were somehow within our nature to destroy our own cultures and nations. And so we must be subverted into doing this for the sake of perceived altruism, and so Merkel gets her Nobel Prize.

Big government always removes itself from the concerns of it's people. I'm pretty damn sick of well off middle aged yuppies wanting cheaper holiday homes, without knowing that the price is this is the rape of our people. Bloody hell it better crumble soon.

there's a neighborhood here nearby me, full of polacks. it's literally the first real ghetto I have seen, and I've lived everywhere in this country.

it's like you guys suck the civilization out of wherever you go

>Scotland

EVERY.

FUCKING.

TIME.

>Ameriburgers promoting leftist murder and chaos true to their brutish criminal founders

I wouldn't mind if you didn't think Democracy was somehow good when you clearly do.

well i'm sorry to hear that, i hope they are harmless, treat them badly it's the only way to unpeasant them

Honest opinion, it's a catastrophe waiting to happen. An ideology created in response to a war 70 years ago. For a world long gone. Important decisions need all 27 members agreement, even though the member's have different needs and agenda. Government by committee. That's never good, you don't get the worst but you don't get the best either. It reminds me of Jerusalem before the diaspora. Groups ignoring the real threat to fight each other.

it was ok up until the 90s..it was a loose economic union of equally wealthy countries
admitting a bunch of third world countries from the east really fucked everyone in the ass and to suppress discontent the EU started to morph fast into this dictatorial dystopia

As an economic entity I can understand its benefits and I can even support that, but as a political entity it has too little oversight, and it's too far reaching in its power over national sovereignty.

As a southerner I can understand Brexit, I can understand anyone's stance against a strong federal or confederate system over your country. I wouldn't support any action taken by the EU that would subvert the laws of my country or borders therein. I would hate it even more if a supranational entity was actively controlling my own country.

Once it started overstepping its position as merely an economic union between nation states I saw the problem it can have. It either needs to be completely restructured into a federal system like the United States or it needs to be disbanded because the citizen has nearly little to no input on what goes on. I don't like it, I don't want to be part of it. I'd be against a pan-American union, I'd be against the United Nations imposing its will on the United States, I don't like foreign powers trying to tell me how to live my life.

That said, a strong Europe would be a good thing, it would take pressure off of the US to act internationally and that would be pretty great. I don't like how far leaning the European Union is in a certain direction, I wish it had stronger positions and could actively defend itself. If it were a strong state that didn't need the US at all I'd like it more, but it's not. It's floundering because it's doing things without consent of the people.

I am conflicted.

Poor nations trade their sovereignty for gibs.
Rich nations trade their sovereignty for nothing.

>It's literally the only state that can challenge the USA and dethrone it
china

>Rich nations trade their sovereignty for nothing.
nah, for forward military bases, to do USA's bidding, and bully Russia in the east

And what exactly happens when their economy inevitably collapses due to the unavoidable transition to democracy?

>china

>Rich nations trade their sovereignty for market positions and cheap labor
FTFY, Polandbro.

>replacing a turd with a jar of hepatitis-infested diarrhea

It's a good idea that was badly executed. It needs to be reformed.

The European Parliament needs to get the right to initiate laws. Institutions need to get closer to citizens.

There needs to be a common fiscal policy for the euro zone. Richer EU states must invest more in poorer states in order to reduce disparities in living standards and reduce poorer countries' need to borrow money to finance their large deficits.

Long term, a military initiative must be created on the back of the old WEU. Maybe NATO should have two main branches: an American one and a EU branch. Both should coordinate their actions. This way the USA can cut some of their costs with NATO, and so reduce their deficit that was created for military expenditure.

The EU should stop receiving any migrants and should start sending back all the migrants, once the Syrian war is over.

The EU should invest in Lybia and Egypt to make sure they have good border controls, to stop all African migration getting in the Mediterranean.

The EU must invest more in reducing its dependence on Russian gas and Saudi oil. This is one of the most important priorities.

So the EU can be made a viable project if it actually reforms itself significantly to remove all these risks for its stability and future.

I'm used to a bottom-up political system where the people hold the ultimate power instead of a top-down one. And the EU is 100% top-down, therefore not surprised it's not working at all. Also, it's full of shit.

Isn't that NATO?

Our economy was a german playground even before we joined the EU. But yeah, EU accelerated the rate of colonization.

Beautiful I'm saving this

The EU is a disgrace. It calls for the complete annihilation of Nation states.

Same currency, open borders, a senate etc.

Fuck the EU.

>what is NWO

Fuck off. I dont gove a shit anout poorer countries.

ASEAN is what the EU should be. Fuck your shit country.

we don't want your "cheap labor"=salary dumping for badly made jobs

i owe nothing to your shithole of a country

Nobody cares about your opinion on the EU. You're leaving anyway, so it makes no sense to listen to Brits about what they think the future of the EU should be.

Also tell your UK firms to stop sending their people here looking for cheaper labour. We're not gonna work on shitty salaries doing the work that people in your country do for 5x money.

UK citizens have to man the fuck up and work for lower wages, you spoiled Muslim cucks.

We hebben onze ziel eraan verkocht voor de handel, dus cucked voor de eeuwigheid helaas

No-one cares? Your country was crying that we left.

Your country is utter dogshit thats why your people come here. Fuck off and fuck you.

1 more step toward globalization and white country being turned into turd world shit hole where workers have no rights and the pay is shit just like in China or Africa.

Well, maybe you should have thought on that *before* you accepted us into the Unioin, then.
Low wage ---> low effort, latte kraut.

a nwo dictatorship based on ultramega indivualistic materialistic neoliberalism

I wasn't talking about Romania. Our external debt is about 60% of ourr GDP.

I was talking about those Southern states which accumulated so much debt because they couldn't afford those German products, so they borrowed more and more until they got buried under a mountain of debt. This happened because there was a huge discrepancy in income and salaries between the North and South. And the North's economic growth was pretty much based on selling a lot of shit to the South, who couldn't afford it. It's two sides of the same coin.

The North couldn't have had the same economic growth based on exports if it werent' for the South accumulating so much debt.

There you go. We don't need as much EU money as those countries from the South who are suffocated by debt. Our debt is smaller than Germany's debt. So, don't lecture me on financial stability you speculatory pieces of shit. You need to fucking take care of your overleveredged banks, your greed will lead you to financial collapse.

>being this much of an autistic faggot

Wasn't it the UK who pushed for adding Eastern Europe to the EU because they wanted to keep it conservative and unable to do literally anything?

>implying this is a bad thing

We're actually happy you're leaving. We can't wait to see you leave ASAP. Just trigger that article already. May is fucking incompetent, she has no idea what she should do. She's clueless about EU negotiations, that's why she asked for so much time before starting the negotiations. Truth is your UK bureaucracy is clueless, mate. They're scrambling right now to come up with some semblance of trade deals to present they're delivering on their promises, but the truth is you'll become less relevant once you're out.

Cya in 30 years when you'll reapply for membership, this time without a "special status" like you were used to.

eu brought wealthy living standards for over hundreds of million people

> Cya in 30 years when you'll reapply for membership

You really think the EU will last 30 years? Lfmao.

Le Pen is leading the polls in France, Wilders also in Netherlands. 5 star movement in Italy is gaining strength.

Fact is that the EU will not survive, not without taking out factors like currency and immigration. And if it takes them out, the EU pillars are dead.

Of course, your shithole country desperately wants us to stay and Hans wants us too because now Germany are going to be pumping even more money into your shithole as we won't be.

And you have no idea what May is doing since you know nothing about Britain.

>this much damage control to try and cover up that his country isn't relevant

Ironically, Farage hammered down Romania and Bulgaria as the reasons why we should leave.

I dare say that if Romania and Bulgaria never existed, we would never have left. I see them all over our supermarkets. Beggars, using children. Crying. It's fucking disgusting.

a nazi dictatorship made by america in the way of the chile of pinochet, based on jesuitism

LePen is tied with Juppe in polls and Juppe would win the 2nd round.

Yes, the EU will last. The Anglo butthurt will remain eternal, though.

The money we get from the EU amount to about 5% of our GDP. Wew, we gon collapse without those money. People will be starving in the streets without those 5% from the EU.

This is what people from the UK are saying, including the media. They realised that the reason why she's delaying negotiations is because she's clueless about how to conduct them. She's gonna get burnt by the top EU legal negotiators. There will be no cherry picking advantages and rejecting duties, as Anglos typically do.

Good luck with the next 50 years under Shilary Clitlicker McBen Gazi the Nazi.

Farage is a Russian plant. But hey, you guys love Putin so much, you love getting raped by FSB agents.

They do you sack of gypsy shit. Before i went to uni i was doing a 40 hour work week for £12,000 if i remember correctly the living wage to support oneself to rent or buy your own place plus other expenses is £19,000 a year. How is that sustainable? How low a wage are people expected to accept?

just imagine how much money you could have if the rent wasn't fucking 1% because all our money went to Greece, Cyprus and Italy

Fucking piss stained France, sulking again. Your economy is based on what your exported gypsies, can thieve. If the scrap ever runs out you will starve.

My jobless burger sit at home read news all day opinion; at first an attempt to compete with USSR, now a Jewish attempt to subjugate the European people, eventually destroying all Ethnic groups and sense of Nationality.