ITALY FAGS - What's going on with the referendum?

>You a 5SM voter?
No but unless Renzi does something astonishing in the upcoming budget (which he can't do because in the last one he assumed >1% gdp growth and we're well below) it's pretty much a given that no will win
To put it in perspective the only party that's encouraging voting yes is PD and they are at ~30% in the polls and half of the party is saying to vote no so effectively that's the parties representing 85% of the population saying to vote no

Why?

Damn. What's the future of Italy? You think you will be in the Eurozone for much longer or will you bring back the lira?

>Damn. What's the future of Italy?

Socialist revolution obviously.

>You think you will be in the Eurozone for much longer
Hopefully not but who knows, if we were to vote right now M5S would probably win and they are somewhat eurosceptic, they said they were gonna do a referendum on the euro and some polls said most people would vote to go back to the lira so that could happen

By the way notice how every poll in which yes is winning is from the same shilling company

Interesting. You better fucking vote M5S and no to this referendum.

>You better fucking vote M5S
No thanks, they are very left leaning and pro immigration
I will definitely vote no though

Grillo said that Sadiq Khan would blow himself up. How can he be pro immigration?

He isn't but he's only the party's mascot, the actual members of the party are more cucked

this. It might be a great referendum but I don-t give a shit. Renzi mst be punished

Meh. Worth pinching your nose and voting for in order to get out of EU claws.

>It might be a great referendum
It isn't

Right now we have a 2 rounds voting system so if we were to vote and i had to chose between PD and M5S in round 2 i would vote for them but it's probably gonna change before the next elections because the constitutional court will void it in a few weeks

>Meh. Worth pinching your nose and voting for in order to get out of EU claws.

LOL
They're literally the offshot of the violet movement who did the color revolution of 2011.
They're the definition of pro-eu controlled opposition.

They don't want to get out of the EU. They are just a cotrolled opposition party created to do damage control on the retarded decisions made by our leftists and to bleed eurosceptic/anti-immigrant parties of votes

I know. But even if it was I'd still vote no just to fuck with Renzi

How? He (BG) wants a ref. on the Euro. So...?

>5SM voter
i get disgusted just by thinking about this

>all that Renzi hate
What has he done that would be so wrong?
Seriously, we really don't hear much about him. Is it just him being on the left, him failing to make things better, or did he actually do a shit job?

he didn't really do anything

I'm going to vote yes to support Maria Elena Boschi's political career

He dindu nuffin, that's the point.

So he's italian Hollande.
I can see why you're tired of him.

It's mostly him lying all the time, using the state television to push his lies and making the country go to shit out of fear of being exposed as a liar
He only did like 3 reforms and they were all shit
Also some hate because he's the third "unelected" premier in a row even though technically we don't elect our premier

It's just damage control. Italy will leave the current form of the Euro even without a referendum, since it's unsustainable. Call it "class B Euro" or Lira, but it's the same thing.

The EU and our government are however very afraid of people pressing for aa membership referendum, and according to M5S that's unacceptable. I wonder why... Also look at their voting patters in the EU parliment: they often side with the greens, that should give you an idea.
>What has he done that would be so wrong?
Plenty. He promised us that austerity would fix our debt issues, yet our debt only increased becaused of excessive spending on bullshit such as his 400 million euros plane. He let many of our cities look more like African shitholes rathern than Italian cities. He hasn't done a single thing about uneployment aside from legalizing black work. He is an authoritarian looney who changed tv directors who were not aligned with him and shut down tv programs much like Erdogan. He is corrupt to the bone and involved in banking frauds of MPS
I could go on

why don't you guys just resurrect mussolini???

the ritual takes time

I never asked for this.
Seriously look at this picture that you made me google.

>Plenty. He promised us that austerity would fix our debt issues, yet our debt only increased becaused of excessive spending on bullshit such as his 400 million euros plane. He let many of our cities look more like African shitholes rathern than Italian cities. He hasn't done a single thing about uneployment aside from legalizing black work. He is an authoritarian looney who changed tv directors who were not aligned with him and shut down tv programs much like Erdogan. He is corrupt to the bone and involved in banking frauds of MPS
>I could go on

Berlusconi si deve dimettere.

Si is going to win and the institutional system will start to work again.

Renzi non è poi così diverso da Berlusconi. Almeno Berlusconi si teneva buono Gheddafi ed evitava di riempirci di negretti

That bodyguard on the left looks like a badass.

I'm sorry.

ah si certo, berlusconi avrebbe chiuso le frontiere secondo te? Dai ma porcodd

Well everyone here said no is going to win so....

AA membership? What?

And Cred Forums being always right...

He's just a cuck that doesn't even know what he's voting for

Everyone knew obama would win so..

LMAO
the day SI wins is going to be glorious, if only we could harness the butthurt from m5s and Lega we could fuel the entire europe for a decade

You could use it to fuel the constitutional court since they're gonna have to work 24/7 to fill in the gaps left by a constitution written by illiterates that couldn't even put two words one after another without contradicting themselves
But what can you expect from a woman that went from being an unknown lawyer to rewriting our constitution by sucking Renzi's dick (which is understandable considering he's married to a tranny)

we should have kept the monarchy...

do u even know what are u voting for? do u even understand the way this referendum will modify the state system?

It will;abolish the perfect bicameral system( only country in the world that still use this system), will reduce the power of regions giving it back to the state making the decision about important matter more efficient and more

>abolish the perfect bicameral system( only country in the world that still use this system)
And replace it with an unnamed bicameralism that's not used anywhere on the planet because it's retarded while leaving huge holes in the democratic process where nobody will know what he's supposed to do while they wait a few months for the constitutional court to do the job Boschi and friends were supposed to do
>will reduce the power of regions giving it back to the state making the decision about important matter more efficient and more
Oh great i can't wait to give away power to Rome so that i can pay twice as much for a worse service

it will just give more power to EU

it's a referendum made following the dictates of the bce

and everybody knows that UE go against europe. then you are for the success of this referendum only if you are against the italian interests and in favor f the interests of the lobbies, the big financial system
everything that goes against the people

>Republic 54.3%
>Monarchy 45.7%

It would have split the country in half, but honestly that might be preferable to the current situation.

The south could have had the kingdom and the north established their republic.

fuck republics, seriously, fuck democracy too, power should never be given to more people

actually is used in usa, germany etc. and this reform has been supported by the majority of the costitutionalists.
It's the opposite, you are going to have a more efficient service by Rome without spending nothing cause the tax are not going to grow, instead if they stay in the region you are going to more for a less efficient service.
Embrace it, the Federal Republic of Europe is the future.

I disagree, it's the only remotely moral system of government. Even ours isn't perfect, I'll admit, but there is a reason why every country in the world at least pays lip service to the idea of a democracy or republic.

Modern "republics" function too much like democracies.

The Roman Republic had a very clear hierarchy, with the Senate limited to the nobility. Tradition was so strong that it functioned as an unwritten constitution.

Opening government up to the plebs was a mistake.

This democracies worked fine in the west before universal suffrage when only the productive could vote.

>actually is used in usa, germany etc
I'm pretty sure in america germany etc they know what each chamber is supposed to do so not, it's not the same
>and this reform has been supported by the majority of the costitutionalists
Except the huge number of constitutionalists that oppose it... oh and the former president of the constitutional court which leads one of the two committees for the NO
>you are going to have a more efficient service by Rome without spending nothing cause the tax are not going to grow, instead if they stay in the region you are going to more for a less efficient service.
You used two rows of text to say nothing, every service that's managed by the state instead of the region is complete and utter shit, what we should be doing is taking away power from the central state and giving it to the regions, the opposite of what this reform wants to do

This. Pic related.