The Spiritual Crisis of the West

>This sounds like a geniune experience of the Lord.
it would be geniune if he used the disk and sliced the head of of the burger. luckily he fled at the right time.

Christianism didnt save the romans, its not the answer.

Yeah like I said it left me with more questions than answers. Was raised Catholic, I did however experiment with plenty of psychedelics from 18-22 and went through the the DUDE UNIVERSAL CONSCIENCE phase so maybe that had something to do with it

by that test, Hinduism fails as well. India was conquered by Muslims and British. Probably going to be owned by Chinese soon

Obviously we invent a new religion. Embrace Kek

>Bhagavad Gita is god-tier religious book. It unatheisted me.
Are you now practicing some Vaishnavite sect or just free style?

No lol. Was there someone like that here?

Right Wing politics are concerned with the long-term survival of Civilization

Christianity is only concerned with personal salvation to become part of a nebulous afterlife for which no evidence exists, and for which this world needs to be sacrificed, which is best expressed in the way early christians like Martin of Tours refused to fight enemies of their nations, insofar killing in this world could cost them heaven

When Jesus says "if they take your coat, let them have your shirt as well", "do not resist evil", "I have come to turn a man against his own household", "if you don't hate your self and your own family you can't follow me", "love your enemies, pray for your persecutors", "the meek will inherit the Earth", "those that wanna die will live", "blessed are those the persecuted, for they will be my Kingdom", "do not save treasures for tomorrow", "carry your cross so that you can receive eternal reward", "Sell all your possessions and give the money to the poor, and you'll have treasure in heaven", "it is easier for a camel to go through a needle's eye than for the rich to enter Heaven", "Woe to you who are well fed, Woe to you who laugh, for you will mourn and weep"...

... he is not kidding, or meaning the opposite, but actually setting down a morality where the world is a lie and only the afterlife is the real deal, so destroying your life in this world, "carrying your cross" as he says, is completely logical

Cred Forums "christians" seem to believe Jesus actually meant the OPPOSITE of all that, and that Jesus wants you to defend your family, that Jesus wants you to kill your enemies, to become prosperous, well-fed and rich in this world, and to avoid persecution and death!

Only a person that does not actually believe in the Heaven bullshit and in eternal rewards for dying a martyr would actually re-interpret Christianity as a cult of earthly power which declares "the strong shall inherit the Earth" and "you must destroy the enemies of your nation"

No because Indians are idiots and their religious idea of a "caste system" is shit.

India is quite the shithole but you have to admit it managed to keep its old pagan religion intact (who else has managed? even Chinese got cucked by an import from India: Buddhism) - and they resisted Islam for 1000 years

No, Christianity is to blame for its failings.
Christianity compromised it's own beliefs by letting lesbian priests perform marriages for gay couples.
Christianity compromised it's beliefs by taking down crosses in churches for fear of offending mud people.
Christianity compromised it's beliefs by taking down nativity scenes.
Christianity compromised it's beliefs by hosting non denominational recitals, plays and readings in Christan schools.
Don't try and shift the blame for your religions failure onto atheists whose beliefs were not up for compromise.

sometimes I would go out into nature and listen to shakti, john mclaughlin, shpongle, Tibetan throat singing all sorts of weird "out-there" "music" or like and kind of let the music carry the experience. Or put on some gurus / guide like Ram Dass or Alan Watts and tune out. Was more interested in "mind /conscience expansion at the time but only that once had contact with another "being"

no, I just read the Gita and use my own brain to interpret its meaning. Also helped me to see Christianity from another perspective.

Before I read the Gita, I was into buddhism too. But buddhism increased nihilism in me and I became depressed, luckily Gita perspective on life pulls me slowly out of that.

I'm not saying buddhism is wrong, I might have just misinterpreted it's message.

Anyways, I keep on meditating for 2 * my age daily for a clear mind and in hope of some mystical experiences (which I did have to some degree). Thats why I asked burger for meditation technique

Reminds me of my nazi bro friend who has been mentioning paganism to me, he obviously believes it.
I could never turn from Christianity though Jesus was the original anti Jew supremacy, free, people person wth the right morals. It makes a lot of sense to me.

I'm sticking with Christianity

Christianity didn't fail

Jesus promised his followers that they would suffer under persecution and death, martyred until their laments were heard by Heaven... only then he would come

Christians are trying to make that promise into a fact by inviting Islam to Earth

"Christian Civilization" is an oxymoron, a civilization based around the idea that its God promises that it will be unavoidably oppressed and enslaved is a civilization that can't and won't survive

>christianity is to blame for things that were decided by secular states that decided to separate the church from power
k.

> Secular people do things
> "Its the Christians"

well 2 times during night meditation I experienced body less state (I freaked out thinking I was dead and lost it right away).

I cant remember the exact technique anymore, nowadays I can only get close to that state but I fail to get into the void state for some reason.

Ummm, they kind of didn't have a choice, since atheists took power and forced those things by law. See: War in the Vendee

when I say "contact" keep in mind it was completely of my own mind's projection. Totally inward. Not like an open-eyed visual

>christianity was made up by the jews to make the white race weak and submissive
>christianity was isis like and wiped out the pagans in the crusades

pick one, anti-christians.

What exactly do you expect?

Do you expect a christian civilization that will last one trillion years?

it is like you "christians" don't even believe in the Apocalypse

the french revolution happened because Christianity itself planted the seeds of its destruction, it was within its own promise that their followers would be persecuted and martyred

Yet here you are blaming Iscariote for doing what his insane prophet ordered, when all Rousseau did was to follow the most demented teachings of Jesus and getting rid of Christianity altogether because it was an obstacle to love all men as Jesus would have wanted

No point in reviving old gods. Bet on the up and comer instead.

?!
how are those 2 mutually exclusive?

it is both

>liberals were programmed up by the jews to make the white race weak and submissive
>liberals were also programmed to unleash all their technological violence and banking power on germans, serbs, afrikaaners or anyone else that opposes their own self-destruction

Jesus promised that you would love your enemies, and hate your own family, and that is exactly what liberals are doing

Separation of church and state doesn't grant the state power to dictate how the church runs itself. Anymore than the church is allowed to dictate how the state runs itself.

...But user... kek is an old god. A very old god.

were the images fuzzy? or did you see clearly?

the first time I felt that state was after watching this video. Keep in mind, he is going to hyponotise you and after the video finishes just keep on meditating.

Sadly it doesnt work on me anymore.

youtube.com/watch?v=6rdDtgNHydo

lol. how dont you see. If Christianity is weak, it wouldnt have BTFOd the pagans. Clearly the fact is that Christianity is not in charge anymore. its the atheists who are killing europe.

Hint: the most cucked countries are the ones who mock Christianity (UK, Germany, France), while POLAND is beautiful :D

Poland is christian. Others can go to hell

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Hey Boleslaw, do you ever get amused when countries that abandoned Traditional Catholicism and are now full of shitskins, tell you that you need to abandon your Traditional Catholicism?

M8 a lot of what you're referring to was stuff that happened in national churches, so secularism leaking in is no surprise when the state is otherwise secular. There's not separation of church and state in places that have a state church.

> If Christianity is weak, it wouldnt have BTFOd the pagans.

Christianity is not weak: it is a simply inversion of reality. Being harsh against your own tribe, while being submissive towards your enemies

Christianity may have failed in the Crusades, they may have allowed the Ottomans reach Austria, but sure they were extremely successful in BTFOing their fellow germans, their fellow french, their fellow byzantines as they argued about the wishes of a demented jewish prophet

>If Christianity is weak, it wouldnt have BTFOd the pagans.

Could it be that the strong factor were the Romans?

Have you actually seen a map of religiosity of Europe even once?

Protip: Ireland and Spain have extremely large devoted catholic communities, yet they both are full-cuck on

Baltic states are secular yet they are not allowing themselves to be cucked

The greatest pusher for cucking in Poland: the Catholic Church

> butthurt canal zone detected

The problem with your stupid theory is it assumes Christians went to some wars intending to lose and others to win. Thats not why people lose wars, you fucking idiot. The crusades largely ended up failing due to financial, logistical, and tactical reasons, relating to who waged them.

The northern crusades against the Lithuanians for example, did not run into the same problems, due to them being waged by adjactent states, and while they used the language of crusade they were largely monarchical land grabs, and hey by the way, the Romans did that shit all the time.

Well he's on the rise right now so get in with the Amphibian

> Ireland catholic
> voted for gay marriage

lol

I pity them because they don't know what awaits them. They live in the past glory of their countries. Sadly strong countries don't listen to weaker ones, so they will have to go as low as possible, straight to the level of moral gutter, to understand their wrongdoings

but they converted the Romans. Also, the Romans weren't the ones who fought the Pagans mostly. It was Germans.

Contrary to the myths told in bagan circles, most pagans were converted peacefully. Look at england for example. just happened over time

I think the future of Europe will belong to Muslims in cuck countries whose religion is porn, and Christians in the countries that still pay homage to their Christian roots will survive just fine.

>but they converted the Romans.

So? That doesn't magically mean that the strength came from Christianity. Romans were pretty successful BTFOing others before Christianity, so it's possible.

>Also, the Romans weren't the ones who fought the Pagans mostly. It was Germans.
Who LARPed as Romans.

>The greatest pusher for cucking in Poland: the Catholic Church
the Church is what saved this wasteland from descending into total degeneracy and cynicism. Solidarity wouldn't be possible without the pope. Catholicism saved families when the public order was captured by savage murderers and nihilists. Poland could have ended like Hungary, Ukraine or Czechia. It didn't, it's much more principled

>We see that atheism is ruining the West.

Citation needed

> The crusades largely ended up failing due to financial, logistical, and tactical reasons, relating to who waged them.

Yeah, it is not like the crusaders actually said "fuck that" and pillaged christian cities instead of actually concentrating on the muslims

Oh wait, they did! They even pillaged Including Constantinople itself, they BTFOed the Byzantines so badly that only a rump state was left, ready for the taking by the Turks

Whatever this insane jewish cult, it has shown that it can't prevent civilizational collapse, or even becoming an inspiring force to enable united action against a common enemy (heck, 200 years later Catholic France would become an Ottoman ally!), and at worst, it explicitly asks you to surrender to your enemies, all the way from Jesus to Martin of Tours to the cathars to the current Pope

No it was crystal. I am sure as to what I saw. I couldn't make details out on his face mostly because I was scared shitless and didn't have enough time with him. Essentially, I saw the exact same thing as pic related, down to some fine detail. like the items in his hands

>We see that atheism is ruining the West.
You're welcome for the computer atheism provided you to bitch about atheism.

Face it - as long as you use technology you're sucking our dick.

not what im saying. any country with a strong traditional religion will do well. the Romans did great with paganism for sure.

I'm not sure the Germans really larped as Romans. They always had their own type of more earthy culture. its why even though the Romans and Germans were pagans, they were always at war

Hungary is way more alt-right than Poland and only half of the population are believers

That you believe that Poles can only be functional because of christianity is extremely underselling your people

>not what im saying. any country with a strong traditional religion will do well.

Thanks, so can we get back to OP's topic of Hinduism? :^)

You have to ask how it came to be like that in the first place.
The church lost its grip on power, it used to dictate every aspect of life.
It didn't lose that grip because of atheism, it lost it to Christian people who wanted to reform the church and the way that people were governed.
The separation of church and state happened in a time when very few people were atheist, so atheists had no influence then.

again, you show zero knowledge of history. The crusade that looted constantinople had several disasters happen to it that landed it bankrupt and stranded, with a guy who had promised them a load of money dead. you're blaming christianity for just humans being human. They had no money, they were pissed off, and they had the arms to overrun constantinople. shit like this happened everywhere. Roman generals fought the shit out of others when it was opportunistic to do so

i somehow dont think Europeans will be converted to Hinduism. do you really want us worshipping toilets instead of using them?

The boy fucking and Vatican cover up of boy rape and pope kissing refugee feet ... that are examples of Deus Vult ? Not baiting seriously asking

Read the book "become who you are" by alan watts if you can be fucked. He addresses the apparent nihilism of buddhism in a cool way imo

sort of, you can blame the Protestant reformation for some of the issue, but its not the whole picture. The French Revolutionaries, in a catholic state, were atheists

bad priests and bad popes. they happen. there are rabbis who suck baby dicks, and imams who hide bombs in mosques, and so-called pagans who stab their bandmates 48 times.

Kek is spreading

praise kek!

Thou art that. Yeah, I like Allan Watts, but I don't like reading.

I had one OBE with crystal clear images. Then I got too excited and lost it.. all I could see after that were some weird geometric patterns.

why do people push the "christianity is middle eastern" meme when it has been transformed by the romans, the french, the germanics and then through countless wars and romanized european culture?
The religion came from fucking roman territory in the first place.

By failings I'm talking about the compromises the church has made to appease the secularists and Muslims.

Why do you have to make up shit about a religion that's far more traditional (looking at how far back it goes) than Christianity?

Yes, I'd rather have us being Hindus than Christian if that's what you mean. Anything is more dignified than worshipping Joseph's wife's son rabbi Jeshua.

Because "muh pagan roots" is trendy these days.

The protestant shit might've qeakened the catholic church but they strenghtened the state instead.
Also luther hated kikes

>We find it hard to relate to Christianity because of its Middle Eastern roots.
>because of its Middle Eastern roots

No, you find it hard because it doesn't let you find flimsy justifications for doing whatever you want

thats not made up. look it up. Hindus were given toilets, and instead of using them, they made a shrine out of them.

Also, you cant use the "we need a native religion" meme when asking for a religion from other side of the fucking world.

that is true. I personally think Europe would have been better as Orthodox. allowed for national identity and autonomy a lot more, but had a conciliar religious attitude.

Georgia is a good model today

There is nothing wrong with atheism.

The only problem is liberalism.

Hitler was an atheist, let us not forget. Also many nationalists like Trump, Farage, Le Pen, Jimmie Akesson are atheists.

Joining the poo in loo religion won't save anyone, it will just distract us. After all, India is not the world leader in sciences. It is atheist countries like Germany and China that do these things.

> You're blaming christianity for just humans being human

The fact that the people the crusaders recruited had such main concern of monetary self-interest in Nature shows that they were fighting for a religion that they, at a fundamental level, misunderstood, and that ironically enough, this guy that Cred Forums loves to call "the fake Pope", actually does

Jesus was NOT kidding with all the suicidal love your enemies, turn the other cheek, hate your family shit

That was the morality of a man who has no civilization concerns, it is the morality of a man whose only concerns is platonic self-idealization

The real christians were not the self-interested cruzaders following a promise of a load of money in Constatinople

The real christians were the self-flagellants in their monasteries, begging for the soon end of the world and end of all human civilization

The real christians aree the people that would realize that human wars and battles are fundamentally pointless for their morality and promise of Heaven

If you ask the Pope or any real christian, probably even to Jesus himself, they won't call that a failing

>Hindus were given toilets, and instead of using them, they made a shrine out of them.

Did you forget what you said here ?

You're blaming Hinduism for borderline retarded shitskins being borderline retarded shitskins.

>Also, you cant use the "we need a native religion" meme when asking for a religion from other side of the fucking world.
Since I'm not that's fine. Also, since Indo-Europeans are a thing I'd argue that we have more to do with Hinduism than with some semitic sandfarmers.

>Christianity's ISIS-like methods

what sort of a fucking idiot are you? Do you think Saint Patrick set out in Ireland with a massive battle axe and single-handedly conquered the island in the name of Jesus? Vikings who came to the Christian world to kill people and steal everything settled down after a while and became Christians. Do you think a load of monks went to Denmark, kidnapped a bunch of Vikings, and tortured them until they renounced Odin?

Christianity's inherent superiority to all other religions is why a third of the world threw their shitty pagan faiths down the toilet and embraced Christianity with nobody forcing them to. Nearly every Muslim in the world, on the other hand, is descended from people who were told to convert or die and were then threatened with death for apostasy.

>Hungary is way more alt-right than Poland
If by alt-right you mean liberal nationalism, then you're correct, because right wing in Poland is catholic

There's not enough polish priests in the Vatican. That will change hopefully with the fading away of countries like Italy, France, Germany

you seem to have some very deep emotional problems, likely related to childhood. Ive noticed you tend to spam these threads.

Hint: religious people all over the world disobey their religions sometimes. its called being fallen. do the Afghans "fundamentally misunderstand" Islam because they fuck teenage boys? No, they're just being bad muslims sometimes

> indo-european commonality with indian people
> "borderline retarded shitskins"

Oh dear

It is more proper to see that the catholics in Poland are right-wing

And it has more to do with being in a struggle with Orthodox and then Communist Russia than anything else

Catholics are left-leaning anywhere else, very recently, gay marriage won overwhelmingly in catholic Ireland

your argument is functionally the same as

"you cant blame Islam for terrorism, its because of their struggle with colonialism"

fuck off, SJW

My knowledge of the French revolution is lacking, I'm afraid.
But a lot of good came from it. Ideas that we hold to this day as fundamental to our democracy. Liberty, equality and freedom and all that jazz.

"Spamming" then != breaking down your arguments so throughly that you have to resort to ad hominem

Never mind, I have to wonder, what do you assume a "non-fallen" Christian would be?

if "non-fallen Christian" means "a christian that wanna deus vult a christian theocracy", then even Jesus "give to the caesar" Christ was a fallen christian, and one has to wonder why Paul submitted to martyrhood instead of starting a generalized rebellion and creating an independent state with divine blessings

the whole "deep emotional problems" is very typical christian projecting their own problems into others

You understand that there are millennia between those two things, right?

>Lord Krishna
Hinduism is a disgusting fucktard religion.
If you're going to be something that isn't Orthodox Christianity, pick a Mahayana Buddhism. Life is still a game to them but they don't have 900 retarded gods of cheese and goat fucking.

i dont value those things im afraid

its true that the most rabid anti-christians often had christian upbringing and resented it. happens all the time. dont worry

Poland is indeed an exception, that you seem to believe it somehow compares to #NotAllMuslims is just silly

But here you wanted me to believe that progressive Ireland, that liberal Spain, that communist Venezuela are right-wing nationalist countries because Catholicism!

Maybe because forcing your kids to go to church is child abuse. Ever think of that?

and it is true that you literally have to project your own madness because you can't actually argue for this "non-fallen christian" of yours

mature, normal people don't need imaginary friends m8

>And it has more to do with being in a struggle with Orthodox
It is rather in Russia where catholics are seen as polish secret agents. There's really no anti-Orthodox sentiment in polish culture, definitely not as huge as it is in russian regarding catholicism. Culturally Poland has always been pretty confident, no need for russian-, german-, ukrainian-, lithuanian-style xenophobia

>and then Communist Russia
the Church stands pretty strong still thankfully

Nope.

What did Jesus do to the money-lenders in the Temple? There is Evil on this Earth, and every Christian has a moral duty to oppose it.

Enemy does not equal evil. That is a pretty egocentric point of view. Not all enemies are evil, but all evil is an enemy. And it is the enemy of God, not ourselves, that we hold to fight.

So, eroding the core fundamentals of your beliefs is winning is it?

>If you kill your enemies they win.jpeg

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>t. angsty 15 year old

Ask a dude initiated in the Gaudiya Math anything.

>We see that atheism is ruining the West.

no that would be communism, atheism is a tool to replace moral absolutes with the vile god of state

>We find it hard to relate to Christianity because of its Middle Eastern roots

Christianity has been thoroughly europeanized, it has been practiced here for roughly 1700 years after all

>We find it hard to go back to our pagan religions because they are dead (mostly wiped out by Christianity's ISIS-like methods).

Christianity is alright, it was destroyed and the remnant rotted through by Marxist terrorists... a revival would be a massive fuck you

Dubs she stays, singles..

You would if you had them removed.

Wtf is this?

What's that?

tl;dr
>although some of the leading minds of the revolution were themselves atheists, the real issue wasn't religion itself, but the privileges of the clergy when it comes to land owning, taxation and funds from the nobility
>the opposition to the church, in many cases, was not based in ideology, theology or philosophy, but in social issues
>these injustices are what allowed the revolutionary leaders to gather the masses to their cause because they were the first to suffer from the tripartite system that disadvantaged them in terms of representation and taxation while handing all the power to the nobility and the clergy

Let me guess... the "core fundamentals of Christianity" are everything opposite to what Jesus ever mentioned in the Gospel

"If you kill your enemies they win" is indeed somerthing that would not be out of place with "those that wanna live will die, those that wanna die will live", "if you don't hate your family and your own life you can't follow me", "if they take your coat give them your shirt as well", that you have decided that always mean the opposite of their whole paragraphs and contexts

ALWAYS the opposite

>What did Jesus do to the money-lenders in the Temple? There is Evil on this Earth, and every Christian has a moral duty to oppose it.

> What did Jesus do to the money-lenders in the Temple?

You are not Jesus. Jesus reserved to himself the right to punish his enemies in the now in the Apocalypse

The instructions that he gave to his followers are quite specific, and they don't say anything resembling "Fight evil and slay your enemies"

> There is Evil on this Earth, and every Christian has a moral duty to oppose it.

Yes, that is why Jesus said "Do not resist Evil", right?

The OPPOSITE

ALWAYS THE OPPOSITE

>a revival would be a massive fuck you

a revival meaning? a return to the bloody wars between Protestants and Catholics? a return to the suicidal madness of cathars and early christians? Sacking Constantinople again?

there is a lot of "anti-russianism" in Poland tho, for which catholicism was seen as an act of resistance through the 1800s specially

> the Church stands pretty strong still thankfully

and even in the places of Eastern Europe where it is not standing pretty strong, right-wing sentiment is generalized

Eastern European rightism is not the product of catholicism

Thanks for the summary Frenchbro!

A new religion is needed, one based on Neoplatonism, which integrates what made ancient paganism so good, along with the positive aspects of Christianity and monotheism in general, and the concept of an organised faith.

According to Plato, the divine is divided into three separate beings, concepts or principals. The first is god (Also known as the One, the All, and the Absolute), the divine creator, from which all of reality emanates. This god is not an anthropomorphic being like Yahweh, Allah, or Zeus, bur rather a concept. This concept is logic, also known as reason, which, according to Plato, is the only thing we can say truly exists. If it was logical for logic not to exist, it would still exist, because that position would be logical.

The second sphere is that of the gods. Plato put the Greek gods into this category, describing them as higher evolved beings, but beings still the same. Above the gods is the demiurge, the divine mind, which is a perfect reflection of god, but sentient, with its own thoughts and feelings. This being is benevolent, its primary function being to shape the universe and maintain it, which lead some to call it the artisan god. Praying to it probably won't do anything, but praying to the actual gods may garner you a blessing, or it may not, depending on whether or not they exist. Considering all emanates from god, the demiurge isn't strictly necessary, but the concept has been popular.

The last sphere is that of the world soul. According to Plato, all living things are connected, and through these connections, form a spiritual realm. This realm is said to relate to the Earth as our own souls relate to our bodies. The world soul is said to posses great energy, forming what is essentially a psychic well. Some theories refer to it as the noosphere and ascribe to it the properties of a hive mind. Both positions may be correct, or they may both be wrong. This concept makes little sense to me, so I am unsure which position to take, if any.

A monastic organization centered around Gaudiya Vaishnavism, or worship of Krsna as the supreme lord.

>anti-russianism
yeah, but it's just contempt and self-righteousness, nobody sees Russia as a cultural force

not now, but in the 1800s when they were cucking Poland HARD and deep, most people did

historical memory does not vanish so easily

this, we are too full of ourselves to ever look on our neigbhours cultures with anything except contempt.
and i love it.

Sounds like gnosticism + Star wars' The Force.

Nah thanks.

no use arguing with this fedora-boy. he's enraged and its funny

Will be a christian till the day I die.

lol, you must be oblivious to something.
the reason we didnt vanish as a country even though they did their best to erase us is exactly that

i c what u did there OP, the story of Krishna's birth was lifted straight into the new testament to be the story of Christ's birth.
Culturally, the picture was God (big guy, big beard) Mary (woman) and Jesus (little guy, less beard) and they represented Man, Woman and Eunuch, there being so many eunuchs in the middle east then that they were a 3rd gender.
Also read as: Brahma (creator) Vishnu (preserver) and Shiva (destroyer).
Jesus was an avatar of Shiva, just like Krishna, he was an educated man who brought Krishna-consciousness back to his home town and the ignorant subjects of Rome that he grew up with.

Ive met a few Russians who really liked Poland, and defended them against Dutch

According to some, the growth of the world soul or noosphere is responsible for Jesus, Muhammad, and so on. The collective belief of humanity in the divine, and the wish for a better life, led the world soul to intervene. The continued growth of the world soul, combined with the love of humanity, is supposedly the trigger for the Second Coming. If true, this theory raises the question, is Jesus a product of the world soul, or is the world soul a product of Jesus? If Jesus is a manifestation of the world soul, and thus human thought, is he sentient, or is he a puppet?

Where do you think the idea for "The Force" came from? The concept of "qi" (Which The Force is based on) is very similar to the concept of the world soul/noosphere.

kys

>he's enraged and its funny
t. guy with more than twice as many posts ITT

Ok :^)

Dumb leaf

The church tool a wrong turn at televangelism, ran it into the gorund. But the right turn was here : cog49.com/am.pdf
With nationalism, with JQ intel, with forward thinking.

>Using the word cuck too much
Do you have some problem you need to discuss?

talking to Panama, discount Latvia

You already know what's the only true way to fix this problem

clearly he does. maybe the canal got some of that indian poo water

The ancients already had today in their sights. We just have not yet seen it well enough.

Glad to have you with us, brother. I ask, do you think it's possible that Hitler was an incarnation of Vishnu, given that he sometimes takes form in this world?

Krishna worship is synonymous with leftist hippies here.

Every Hindu god holds a weapon. I can't see why all the dregs of Cred Forums and /k/ haven't swarmed all over it like the maggots they are.

Christianity was the cancer introduced to the west centuries ago that corrupted us. It's a slave moral system based on denying reality and focusing on afterlife over life

this is Cred Forums m8

never mind, no surprises here that no one seems to be able to explain away Ireland, Venezuela and Spain with their "catholic stronk!! see poland!"

Not a songle religion haa remained intact, neither hindu dindus

Hitler was absolutely not Vishnu Tattva or Kalki. He may have been empowered by the lord but was definitely not a plenary expansion.

That's interesting, I know some very right wing devotees. Srila Prabhupada himself encouraged gun ownership.

> America
> talking about the west

lol

Which is funny since the Hare Krishna are the most greedy, ruthless cult ever. Nobody manages to stay with them long unless they are a hot young woman from a rich family or a complete mental weakling from a rich family. They don't want no troubled poor people on any genuine journey towards enlightenment, they want to get rich kids away from all help and squeeze them for cash.

He was before his time. The whole world of the ancient tribes, that became the West, needed to get to the point of appreciating inter-generational degeneracy, like we can now.

>listens to too much metal
>has never read a book

>> There is Evil on this Earth, and every Christian has a moral duty to oppose it.
>Yes, that is why Jesus said "Do not resist Evil", right?

I am going to research this.

Thanks for helping to make my faith stronger.

What I find both irritating and gratifying is these arguments against Christianity that we see everyday now in our society, with the assumption that this will knock 2,000 years of tradition down the drain.

Irritating, in the the Catholic Church has done a terrible - and I mean terrible - job of educating their laity on theology. Gratifying, in that it always affords me an opportunity to turn the Church Fathers and Doctors of the Church for answers, exploring over 2,000 years of philosophy and theology and Church writings of greater minds than mine that explored these questions.

i bet he has albums by 'bad religion' XD my sides

Do you struggle following this conversation? adressed the OP.

You're bringing a completely unrelated matter into the discussion. Sounds like something someone that's heated up would do.

Cool down, buddy.

We now need to recognize the need to take media better, with the internet. This is what brings down the Babylonian system. We all need to start a boycott of everything advertised on national television.

In private they probably like Poland, but it doesn't matter since Russia is a neo-Golden Horde and every private person is scared of the brutality of the government

>greater minds than mine
yeah, get on your knees

What makes you say that?

>We find it hard to relate to Christianity because of its Middle Eastern roots.

Kek so adopting a religion from even father from Europe like Hinduism is better? If you said something Nordic or Greek religion I would agree.
Go poo in loo somewhere else paljeet

There have been no greater minds in the past than we all have today. We only need this cog49.com/am.pdf to learn how to discover what the ancients have to say about the world today, which they will not teach in churches.

Yadha yadha hi Dharmasaya
youtube.com/watch?v=X256Qxfnn5A

...

"Bernard of Chartres used to say that we [the Moderns] are like dwarves perched on the shoulders of giants [the Ancients], and thus we are able to see more and farther than the latter. And this is not at all because of the acuteness of our sight or the stature of our body, but because we are carried aloft and elevated by the magnitude of the giants."

The ten avatars of Vishnu are described in the Vedic literatures. Hitler was most likely empowered by Vishnu as explained here.

youtube.com/watch?v=CtnxeTYbdeI

he doesnt realize the hypocrisy. poo in loo

How the fuck can you say that it is Atheism that is ruining the west? Most of the degenerates in society identify as Christian but have no real Christian values because they are too lazy to actually read the bible. Just look at modern celebrities, most claim to be Christian yet they do drugs, curse and act like cunts in general. Of course you get the occasional Athiest degenerate, but most of them are either normal people or fedoras who like to pretend they are smarter than other people online, this is not harmful to society, the modern, mostly Christian libtards are the ones destroying the west

>atheism ruining the west
There's no shame in being retarded. Embrace it

hitlers scientists discovered the nuclear bomb through the vedas moron

Gun ownership isn't really a left vs right issue. Hell even Marx was a big fan of gun ownership.

You really have no knowledge of history, do you?

This man gets it.

Christianity DOMESTICATED Europe. Throw it off if at all possible. Hell, fucking Nietzche is better than it.

I directly blame Christianity for the immigrant """"""""""crisis"""""""""".

Hello weedman

Thanks for confirming.

yet christians have virtually no institutional power. name an established church with power in the west. you cant. Only places that have them are Russia and Poland

This. Kek is the comeback kid of religious deities

where you initiated by srila narayan maharaja? or srila gourgovinda maharaj? I am a srila Narayan maharaj disciple

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Hitler is was an aspect of Thor

> burgers
> pretending to know anything

just stop

>you will never partake in the summer orgy with all the qt blondes
Feels bad man

I'm an atheist and I would be very happy with a return to Christianity, Paganism and/or Hinduism.

Krishna is kool-aid tier, tho

>atheism created the computer
>atheism is le science n shieeeet
When will you Euphoric edgelords learn science doesn't prove shit. Its all just theory.

Looks like she left bro

don't think you know enough about Krishna to be saying that, read the Mahabharata

>Felix
>massage by a man

Bernard of Chartres was a cog in the machine that told people they were worthless worms that needed to live in dreadful fear of eternal torment. This was needed because people then really were unruly dingbats and any order was a result of an iron fist. The hangover is a historical reverence for thinking that springs from a low self esteem point of view, which is not humility.
Arthur Schopenhauer said 'Show me the true Koenig, King, superior man and i will revere him.' This was around the time the idea of the Ubermensch and all this garbage started getting thrown around by miserable bastards like him and Nietzsche. It was everywhere, this low self opinion idea of calling people slaves or cucks or whatever.
Into the trash it goes unless you're comfy on your knees.

We need Christian Identity, true Christians will never give up their religion, you have to convince them through means of showing what is truly fair and righteous, and that is Christian Identity. True Christians will die and receive torture before the forsake their religion. As for atheists, they are basically all mongrels and cannon fodder as far as I give a fuck, as well as target practice, the only atheists I am willing to think to even tolerate are well versed in the theory of Evolution, and like Charles Darwin, seeks the truth honestly and not for their sake of their own materialistic hedonistic wicked blasphemous impulses, which means they wont be atheist for long.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christian_Identity

>he didnt know himmler was gey
hownew.ru

Bless you brother.

>be crusader
>walk halfway across Europe
>in the fucking Middle Ages
>no medicine
>low on food
>no money
>see village
>they got food
>you got no food
>you have a sword
>they don't
What do?
Also remember that the German group in the first crusades absolutely slaughtered the Jews.
>inb4 no Germany
The ones from the area around modern-day Germany.

gay*
fugg

Theories are made of facts.
You fuckin dumb piece of luggage.
seriously, burgers can read and write but they're illiterate.
Shart in mart.

Christian Identity has some good points, but its mostly Protestant, which is degenerate. we need a priesthood, hence why im Orthodox

>Ahmed
>pretending to know anything
Please stop

Poland and Eastern Europe are right wing because of their resistance to change. This is the same reason they are overwhelmingly Christian. You have your phenomenology mixed up.

Christian theology undeniably promotes cultural suicide. I'm not saying paganism would fix it, but a cuck religion isn't fucking helping us right now.

It doesn't really make any difference though-- the outcome was written on our genes from the start. A strong nationalistic philosophy might have saved us, but at the end of the day we converted for the same reason we're dying now. We welcome outsiders and sympathize with them easily. No matter how different, we treat them like neighbors, and continue to do so even when they kill us. If we weren't christian, we'd still probably be in the midst of a refugee crisis now.

If Poland, somehow instantly forgot about Christianity tomorrow, and had no "religious" reason to do so, they'd still be kicking muzzies out.

>Bernard of Chartres was a cog in the machine that told people they were worthless worms that needed to live in dreadful fear of eternal torment. ... The hangover is a historical reverence for thinking that springs from a low self esteem point of view, which is not humility.

And yet, that thinking created this.

Did you learn all this "Let's bash the Western tradition" in (((school)))?

Sorry, you don't impress me. I have read their words and I have seen their thoughts on the page. The Modern intellectual is as but a child to these men and women.

Literally the only reason the crusaders killed other Christians was because muh heretics(small percentage) and (most of the time)Logistics. Before Bystatiniums fall the crusaders were in debt to some Italian merchants(I know) and then something something they ending up fighting the Bystatiniums.

Yes, it's a wonder that you're still straight what with all the things that could possibly happen that would make you gay. I mean, hey, I'm gay because I accidentally walked in on my brother in the shower when I was 4 and now I go to truck stops to suck transient cock. It doesn't pay much but it's what I love!

Seriously, how is anyone straight? Extremely lucky, I guess.

Genuine question
What practices/rituals do hindu bros on Cred Forums practice?
I'm trying to follow the right path, I'm meditating and reading scriptures but I'm still a beginner and I have a sexually demanding gf

But not a direct extension of such, would you say the dogma would allow for it?

>turning to poo in the loo paganism to restore your relationship with your immortal soul
>not degeneracy
I know what yall motherfuckas need

Anyway, Christianity is a faggot kike religion. Even if we were not observant, even if 90% of the population doesn't actively believe in it, we would be so much healthier if our traditions arose from our own culture rather than from the fucking Middle East.

Fucking hell if our traditions were from ANYWHERE else, except maybe Africa,

> countries who have kicked out Christianity and are now cucked tell non-cucked countries to ditch Christianity

> somehow I think they'll just ignore you, and laugh as you are consumed by Islam

None of those things would be worth mourning for.
>democracy
Either the people are sovereign or people have rights: it can't be both, and this conflict is what we're now seeing unfold. Besides, if the mob aren't great rulers, what makes them great at picking rulers? Nothing, they're shit at it. I'd take a benevolent dictator who seized power on his own initiative to the fuckfest we have now any day. At least if we were to select rulers entirely randomly there would be a CHANCE at having a good ruler, but as things are the chance of getting thieves and connivers so outweighs that hope, that any good elected official that manages to get into will be outnumbered hopelessly and be not even a dent in the mockery of civilization which now heads our states.
>liberty
Personal liberties that undercut the institution of the family and strengthened the institution of the state by isolating us, so that the atom of the individual has no where to turn but his state aren't worth it. Also there are many different types of liberties not one singular "liberty", and not all men have the inherent dignity to be use, value, appreciate, or even be worthy of them. Most niggers shouldn't be permitted to have weapons, for instance.
>equality
A lie. Nothing is equal in nature, and man does not sit outside of natures domain. It's been used to justify all manner of bloodshed, stealing, and complete dereliction of duty since the cult of egalitarianism has begun. Hierarchies have existed in every civilization and will continue to exist so long as civilization does. Modern class mobility seems only to make the lower classes more restless because the lower classes are places of failure rather than simply being places remote from greater spiritual and societal duty. Of course modern politics is very much a matter of using this unrest for personal gain rather than actually addressing it.

the modern system can't handle the problems it creates let alone address man's condition.

I didn't say that poland SHOULD drop christianity. I said it wouldn't make a difference if they did. Does nobody on this fucking site read anything?

While I think it's a travesty that our native religions are dead, the fate of the west was ordained long ago, by our temperament and the selective pressures that have influenced us since that beginning that we have no will to change.

>because of their resistance to change
Wot?

OK. So the USA is changing into a degenerate, almight surveillance country, where christians are persecuted because they don't want to bake cakes for same sex weddings or because they refuse transgenders the entrance to female restrooms

>This is the same reason they are overwhelmingly Christian
You realize there are fewer church goers in Ukraine, Russia, Belarus, Czechia, Hungary than in the USA?

I'm convinced. I am now a #HinduDindu

i did not say resistance to change was bad

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> where christians are persecuted

that was Jesus' promise tho. Christianity is NOT a civilizational project

So much that you have to forget it altogether to complain about this, instead of celebrating that the coming of Jesus is sooner now that the prophecy of Jesus has finally been obtained

(it is not a surprise then that christians are oppressing themselves, atheists are only 15 % of the population. Indiana wanted to create a religious freedom law to prevent christians from baking gay cakes, but then everyone demanded the governor didn't sign it after some companies said they would boycott the state)

Also, church goers in the USA have no say in what happens here. The powers that be actively despise them.

Poland is kind of what would happen if Georgia, Alabama, Tennesee and Missisipi had an autonomous government (and no blacks).

>If your neighbor steals your coat, offer to let him slit your throat.

Christianity is an exercise in masochism.

>calling india Paganism
>worshipping a half naked jew on a 2 by 4 becuz muh constantine's dictates in the 4th century
>get manipulated by guy in funny hat, then a guy(german) who crashes the religion with no survivours
>fast forward to now and you have lesbian bishops wanting to remove crosses in churches to let Mlecchas worship in your religious sanctuary.

>20 years ago
>be atheist/nihilist/carl sagan/feynman/dawkins fanboi
>think ai is only chance for humanity
>want to make true ai gf
>how does brain work?
>pretty simple turns out but then how do we make one?
>all behaviour is based on culture
>culture is a shared illusion created through the generations
>~20-30.000 years ago language exploded
>those people were the first shamen, memeing to shape the reality around them
>their actions formed the basis for how we think and everything we do, even the words I'm writing right now
>finally understand what primitives mean by "ancestor worship" and the different spirits of the forest and all that shit
>using metaphoric language is a huge stage in the evolution of human thought
>while studying history through this lense start to appreciate Christianity
>my thoughts, actions and words are Christian, it's the philosophy that guided us here
>we couldn't reconcile modern worldview with metaphoric old view so we are throwing everything out instead of respecting our ancestors and learning from them
>Christianity is the only thing with the global influence in thought to unite us in common goal
..wait what about my ai gf?

>Christianity is NOT a civilizational project
Bible isn't the lone description of everything in the world. This is why you have St.Thomas picking Aristotle. Basically Bible + classical culture, especially philosophy => catholicism

It was only protestantism that rejected any other source of knowledge than the Bible. And it made christianity dead

I care more about what's true than about what's politically expedient so it's Christianity for me

>We find it hard to relate to Christianity because of its Middle Eastern roots.
That's not the case. We find it hard to relate to Christianity because it is so related to normies.

To be fair, Feynman was an atheist but he's actually interesting in a way that Sagan, Dawkins and all them aren't.

What you don't get is that at least Catholicism has nothing at all to do with Christianity. Or at least it hadn't until Vatican 2.0.
The values it used to promote, the ideas were quintessentially pagan, just with Christian names added in.
Look at the Crusades and tell me a pacifist wanted them.

Traditional Catholicism isn't Christianity, and that's why it's so great.

Catholicism is a cargo cult.

The selfish gene by dawkins from like 1970 is the best explanation for why altruism is useful, besides being informative and interesting it helped me personally deal with conflicting feelings about altruism.

He went off the deep end popularizing evolution to creationists and lost his mind in his old age talking about stuff he doesn't know anything about.

Another guy I loved at that time was Douglas morris, he never got as popular as the other guys
youtube.com/watch?v=7qUKiHZbVwc

>The word meme originated with Richard Dawkins' 1976 book The Selfish Gene.

>Christian Theology undeniably promotes cultural suicide
It's not "undeniable", it's very deniable.
Heretical Protestants and Vatican II don't have a monopoly on Christianity. You probably heard the story about Christ stopping the stoning but not the part were he tells her not to sin. You probably hear that he said to be nice to everyone, not the actuality where he called the pharisees sons of the devil. You probably didn't read his interaction with the Canaanite woman, where he showed that his mission was first to a single people before the rest. In being christlike, why would we put other people before our own when he did not? You probably heard "He who lives by the sword dies by the sword" without considering that he told his disciples to sell their coats buy swords. He never told roman legionaries to get rid of their weapons and because peaceful hippie dippies. The modern liberal ideology stems from a revolt against classical christian society, not an evolution of it. "Think not that I am come to send peace on earth: I came not to send peace, but a sword". The Crusades weren't some out of nowhere war justified only loosely on christian ideals; they were very much motivated by the beliefs of a Christian people.

>Catholicism is AKSHUALLY pagan

>PASTOR JIMBOB SAYS THEM CATLICKS IS A CULT, YA HEAR?

What's more interesting about Feynman is just how genuinely curious he is about everything, and I love reading about how he'd find tricks to calculate logarithms and everything. His book's good, you really see how much he loves just trying new things to see what happens.

youtube.com/watch?v=Zjm8JeDKvdc

You need to look up the definition of paganism before your filthy heathen ass lays gutter theology/history on us from that penal country you call a country. If you believe everyone who calls himself a Christian actually is one because it suits your garbage view of the world that is actually only your own, you are lower than the monkeys shitting in the New Delhi streets.

>If you believe everyone who calls himself a Christian actually is one because it suits your garbage view of the world that is actually only your own
You apply the same logic to me when you say that, its because you think you are an exception to the rule, you aren't special, you are just as much garbage as those who you proceed to call garbage. You are simply projecting the vapidity within yourself that you vainly try to fill with faith and religion.

srila prabhupad also pretty much said hitler was right, and race mixing is terrible and most black people are sudras, how is that not right winged?

It's typical of pro-christians on this board that they don't fucking read or understand much except in the most straightforward way possible. Look, a Cargo Cult doesn't literally mean it's a cult.

Catholicism appropriates a lot of the appearance of christianity with less of the substance. What substance survives, though, is still horribly damaging.

>the church with the most complicated and extensive theology of all churches is AKSHUALLY a cargo cult

Wew boy, did Pastor Billy-Bob tell you this?

Eat me protestantism is abhorrent.

I can get behind you on most of that except for liberty.
Once you have your basic freedom compromised, with no hope to regain it, you are essentially a slave.