Why is America so afraid of labor unions?

Essentially this.

In theory, a worker union is meant to protect the employee from exploitation.

In practice, Humans are all the same and the employee and his union just as readily exploit the employer as the employer is ready to exploit the employee.

People are shit and ultimately it doesn't matter who is jewing who.

I would rather benefit from the jews rather than suffer

Until you become wealthy enough to be a job creator yourself, and then your employees begin to jew you?

There is no 'win' scenario. You're either an exploiter or you're being exploited.

>they believe Wall Street strives for market equilibrium and will make sure that they earn an optimal salary
are you one of those retards that think mcdonalds minimum wage should double?

>Just like they believe health insurance companies spend their money on research
gopnik actually believes people think this

Why are labor unions so afraid of working?

>implying i'm ambitious enough to be a job creator

Idk if it should double. I'm just saying that Americans believe entrepreneurs always strive for the most optimal salary and costs, and don't need to pressed by for instance labor unions through collective bargaining. To Americans any mention of "labor" is communism. No wonder your salaries stopped growing long ago and now people turn to heroin. But hey, let's still believe firm owners do everything they can to help workers and if they don't give them a rise in pay, then it's always for their own good! :^)

This is how free market works commie! I'd rather be fucked in the ass by entrepreneurs than by commies!!11

And people wonder why millennials turn to socialism and communism

Been union for 10 yrs now, im a greedy thug because i want insurance a livable wage and a pension.

They protect the worst worker equally as much as the best.

I can do your job better than you do it, and I'll do it for less. Fuck your "living wage" learn to budget and prioritize like anybody else

Race to the Bottom.

Logical fallacy.

Historically, and recently, a lot of them only existed to extort employers courtesy of organized crime groups.

>fallacy

Guess you aren't familiar with the H1B Visa are you?

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The head of my union has a house in the same neighborhood as the CEO of the company that I work for. They golf together.

I am losing faith in unions as they currently exist in the US.

>No wonder your salaries stopped growing long ago
we doubled the labor force overnight voltorb

>But hey, let's still believe firm owners do everything they can to help workers and if they don't give them a rise in pay, then it's always for their own good! :^)

again, you double the supply of labor, without doubling demand, how the fuck is "collective bargaining" going to fix anything?

either freedom of association exists or it doesn't. and since affirmative action and the "civil rights act", it doesn't

Yeah. It's unfortunate what many of them have become. No question about that.

Take immigrants out of the equation. Should other American citizens be allowed to undercut unionized workers?

Because they're run and controlled by the worst kinds of Jews. Next question?

Because cooperations hate unions and they have pained off most of our government to pass anti-union legislation.

>monopolizing labor is good!
>competition among labor? thats a race to da bottom!

Thinly veiled pyramid schemes with a hint of communism.

The US is too multicultural and lack worker unity.

Instead of the two in-groups of employer and employee there is blacks, latinos, whites, jews, asians, muslims and thanks to feminism now males and females as separate competitive in-groups.

All that is going on are ethical and cultural conflicts, where each group is trying to screw over the others, instead of working together to improve things for everyone.

This has actually been proven, productivity at the workplace increases with diversity, cause people talk less, have less friendships and don't organize in unions.

Any reasonable man would pass on being a Bottombitch. But sometimes you don't find reasonable men on Pol.

1. You can't take them out of the equation, and attempting to invalidates your line of questioning.

2. Fellow citizens of the same nation do not collectively decide to undercut each other until the wage is unsustainable. Should they be allowed to? Irrelevant. Cost of goods determines whether or not it is possible.

You couldnt do my job even if you were exposed to it for 5 years.

It's more maffia style. The force people to pay tribute. Here in sweden they fuck over small buiness just because they offer better deals than the unions and they don't accept that. it's basically "pay us or we fuck your shit up"

It's anti capitalist.

>we doubled the labor force overnight voltorb
But isn't it true that the % of labor union members dropped regardless? How often labor unions get invited on TV, to places like Davos to discuss economic issues?

>how the fuck is "collective bargaining" going to fix anything?
You can enforce labor code so that entrepreneurs don't get to hire cheap workers, you can get those workers into labor unions, job inspection etc. You can collectively press entrepreneurs to follow rules in the labor market. But because labor unions are for "commies", then working class whites naturally turn to drugs and despair

Americans think like Greenspan, who thought there won't be bubbles in the market because hedge funds and banks strive for an equlibrium and will not make mistakes, because that would be against their interests. And people in the USA think "well my boss always wants the best for me, how can I protest?! As an entrepreneur he can't be a Scrooge!"

Ludwig von Mises saw labour unions as a free market association. Unfortunately communists have for a long time associated themselves with the "working class" and now they're effectively considered as "commies"

>tfw got $500 for taking a union/labor history test back in high school

I don't even support unions. I just bull-shitted the essay and praised them. All I did was read a packet they gave to study.

I work in in a union for a utility as a senior systems programmer doing IT Security. Come try and do my job. You'd be cut a month into the year-long probation.

Read Mein Kampf lad, goes into a lot of detail of the problem of unions, basically they always get coopted by marxists and the demands they make will always be more than what is possible so every time business give in to them they'll ask for more, as a way to create instability in the state as a prerequisite for marxist takeover

not sure.

but they do keep the wages high, so that's a good thing. it's a good base to compare stuff to.

here, if you're an electrician, as I am, there is really no reason to work for less than 40/hr, even in the non-union sector. Without the union still giving a base of slightly higher than that, all the other companies will just keep undercutting eachother until at the end an electrician is paid less than 20, and chinese/ethniccally owned companies will try for even less.

This is from a trade perspective, though. I guess technically everyone has a right to be unionized, but holy hell I cringe when I see bums working minimum wage trying to unionize when you have zero skills on which to base your worth. Just makes the ideas of unions look bad to the general public.

investors.com/politics/editorials/who-killed-detroit/
Labor unions have caused more problems then they have solved and are just about as cancerous as temp agencies