Hey Cred Forums I'm from America and I've lived and only traveled in America my whole life

Op just got back from Austria. They live on borrowed money from the ole USA. We literally subsidize their militaries in western Europe. They in turn have economic surpluses to redirect into free healthcare, gibs, welfare, etc. Been doing this for 70 years

Yeah, you're retarded or just a nigger.
There are comfy white neighborhoods in Europe.
South Chicago is a nigger stronghold through and through, as well as a war zone.

>How can burgers live
>How COULD burgers live?

You think all these fat fucks want to go up and downstairs all the time?

>not having a stair force 1 built into his stairs
Are you even american? Even my church has one

Okay so far besides houses and Muslims. America is still in no way better than Europe.

I've been to Europe a few times and have friends currently living there. The differences aren't as much as people say, alot of Americans get a "the grass is always greener" vibe about Europe, coupled with "muh heritage" plastic paddies and Hollywood sucking Europe off all the time it creates an idealized image of the continent that goes away once you go there

>Europe pros on America:
Better city planning outside of US cities like Salt Lake
Better public transport
Older historical buildings and more history (obviously)
Amazing Cathedrals, absolutely top tier.
Some neat places if you know where to look
Really good food

>Europe cons
Unlike segregated America their brownies are mixed in everywhere and if you go to a big city like Paris or Cologne they're going to be everywhere. A bunch of muzzies were hanging outside the Cologne Cathedral when I went there and they looked like absolute trash and smelled bad
Everything is expensive
It's alot harder for young people to own their own home/ land.
Alot of annoying people, and not the American annoying where they're just loud, a good chunk of people who are just cunts.
Liberals like to suck the place off like it's some kind of paradise

>America pros
Everything is yuuuuuuuuuuge
Everything is cheap
Really good food especially if you go to a total fucking dive that serves BBQ
Segregated populations means that you can avoid high crime areas with a bit of street smarts
Europe has better cultural landmarks, but the US has better natural landmarks
Our rivers are better
People are nicer but more goofy, fat and loud

>America cons
the people are huge too
the food is bad for you
>be american
>get shot
We export liberalism just as much as Europe
Jews can be annoying, but for some reason they're a protected class here because "muh chosen people"

I just got up, I'll give you a more detailed answer as soon as I'm on the Computer, don't want this thread to die yet

I'll do my best op.
Euros are extremely snobby and closed off. Americans are much more easy going in general.
Customer service is a joke in Europe. Walk into a restaurant, store, wherever and get ready to be treated lower than a dog.
Muslim families are usually no big deal in Europe, but watch the fuck out for slimy patchy beard looking gangs of Arab looking men. They will fuck you up. Also they eye your girlfriend like they're ready to rape her if you blink too slow.
Black people in America don't usually try much as long as the sun is shining.
Driving is a nightmare in Europe, thou I will admit, (some) Europeans are much better drivers.( excluding Greece and Italy) guess they have to be.
All in all its just freer in America. There's a spirit of optimism and possibility here. The sun just shines brighter. And there's more room to be who you want to be

>Liking Europe

Ill escape this shithole for America as soon as possible

Freedom alone makes USA better than Europe.

Imagine being kinda not the most brain powered guy in the world, more a handy-man kinda guy.
You still play outrageously high taxes, to fund some snotty kids college education, who will look down upon you for not being a doctor.
These doctors will not be happy about paying outrageously high taxes, though their entire education was free and cheat the system by only giving you 5 minutes then prescribing you some drugs yet they will bill the state for 20 minutes of consultation.

WELCOME TO EUROPE

Everywhere in Europe, water is free
If a restaurant owner refuses to give you water, you can call the cops for "refusing to assist an endangered person"

I could explain but I don't want more Americans moving to Europe where I plan on being.

I would have no problem with paying taxes for healthcare if I knew it was going to white people. I sure as fuck am not paying it when dindus and spics are the only ones profiting.

how much are your taxes over there queerboy? give me a percentage

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HAHAHAHAHAhAHAH

California pays almost 50% and still no fucking healthcare or college

Illinoisfags pay 40% and still no healthcare or college

>m-m-muh no socialism here in America
top kek

>tax paid health care for everyone
>Tax paid college education
Neither of these are good things
>Homeless is less of a problem in Europe
>Poverty is less of a problem in Europe
Remember when we talked about taxes just a second ago?
>More vacations
The sign of a lazy people
>less work hours
The sign of a lazy people
>better pay
Highly debatable depending on how you define "better". I could say it's worse because people should be paid for their quality of work, not for how much they need to live. You could argue that higher base pay helps the little guy. I could argue higher base pay will strangle the little guy.
>more safety features in Europe than here in America
How so? Give me a better definition on "Safety feature". You mean identity protection? Self defense? Police force? Laws in general? Better "safety features" is not an argument.
>Here in America Employees and Employers are at struggle against each other
I've heard horror stories of this but I've yet to witness it for myself. In my experience and the experience of my peers, employers tend to be nice. Strict, since it's their job on the line if you fuck up, but nice.
>Why would anyone want to live in America after hearing about all of those things that Europeans do better than us.
Because Europe does nothing better than us. You didn't make one single point in Europe's favor.
>Can anyone give concrete examples of why America is better than Europe?
I could write you a novel on it.

Also the European home is ugly. The description can call it grand and splendid all it wants but the dirt is barren, the bricks and sidewalk are stained, and that wood is on its last legs.

Terrible debt and health from a culture of buying huge things and eating cheap food.

Norway, Croatia and Switzerland don't pay taxes ?

thats just theft

silly leaf you should realize it only cover EU members

Sounds like you're a cuck with no concept of ethnic identity desperate for an approving pat on the head. Leave if you don't like it here you enormous faggot.

>"Oh the taxes are lower here in America."
>"Houses and cars are bigger."
>Usually that's it.
>In Europe you have tax paid health care for everyone. Tax paid college education. Homeless is less of a problem in Europe. Poverty is less of a problem in Europe. More vacations, less work hours, better pay, more safety features in Europe than here in America.

freedom of choice.

lower taxes means you could live below your means, attain more disposable income towards investment, more likely to strike it rich.

You know that is probably median income tax.

You forget about VAT which is 25 % in Denmark, mandatory "media license" which is a flat amount you pay each year. If you own any media that can view TV or go on the internet you're required to pay. Even a simple cell phone counts etc. etc.

>Denmark is also one of highest tax paying which consists of 443 named island including Jutland, peninsula, and an archipelago, The Northern European state has population of 5,668,743 covering the area of 43,094 square kilometers. Tax system in this country consist of state tax as well as local tax with state tax is progressive while local is flat tax, so tax percentage in this country as 23.5% of corporate tax, 46.03% minimum individual tax and 61.03% maximum tax while it charges 8% payroll and 25% sales tax therefore this highest tax paying country is also one of the most developed countries in sector of Education, human development, living standard and prosperity so health sector of this country is also developed as well as best.

>themeshnews.com/top-10-highest-tax-paying-countries-in-the-world-2016/

Americans are better interior designers than Europeans and know how to space things to optimize space. We're also not as fat as the Brits so we don't need as much room as you guys.

see

>Cyprus
Didn't know Turkey was part of the EU.

What's your point?

having fucking G U N S is the biggest one

There was a time I would have liked to live in Europe, but that's long past.

Subsidized education means the more of the population can get better jobs and escape the lower-middle class.

Foreclosures are a big problem in America.

Vacations and non-conventional hours are essential to maintaining good productivity.
People who work more, accomplish less.

etc. etc. I don't really care.

America is a good country, all things considered. But it is certainly not the best. I wouldn't even put it in the top 5.

Sure, we can settle for #6 but we used to be #1 and that's the way it should be

If it weren't for Freedom of Speech and 2A I'd be out of this country already. If Hillary wins she'll make quick work of both of those. When that happens I'll be gone. But we all know our fellow safe space Millenials will do that anyways within the next 15-20 years.

>Subsidized education means the more of the population can get better jobs and escape the lower-middle class.
But that's wrong. Wasting taxpayer money to fund millions of people who will get worthless degrees is beyond idiotic. Even those who get real degrees won't increase their chances of getting jobs. They'll be limited by what's available and what's available won't always be pretty. The job market is over saturating.
>Foreclosures are a big problem in America
The problems are people biting off more than they can chew and not fighting hard enough for it.
>Vacations and non-conventional hours are essential to maintaining good productivity. People who work more, accomplish less.
You just pulled that one right out of your ass.

Europe is only nice, because the US forced Europeans to stop slaughtering each other and continues to enforce peace on the continent, which is something they shamelessly take full advantage of. Not tom mention, the peace they enjoy without being truly responsible for maintaining, has made them adopt all manner of retarded policies and practices. However, they are so out of touch they claim to victims of Americans forcing these on them, despite them being significantly less popular with Americans

I hope every day we withdraw military support from Europe and focus on our own shit.

I think the claim that most American houses are one floor is bullshit. The majority seem to be two story. Some are even three or four, but obviously this isn't the standard.

In answer to your question, if you're wealthy most of the problems in the US don't apply to you. Being wealthy in the US gives you a much better life than being wealthy (same level) in any European country.

GOD TIER:
>California bungalow

SHIT TIER
>That """house""" on the left

See thats gay

>paying media license
For what purpose, they have no jurisdiction.
Just don't let them into your home.
Shit man i just act like a cult member every time they show up.
Technology is sin

You must be from out west or something

Are you actually not able to get free water from a restaurant in America?

Thats absurd. More people with degrees devalues degrees. Experience is needed. We used to just hire random people because they looked alright and then show them the ropes.

European middle class life is worse than american lower class life.

Foreclosures are a result of it being so fucking easy to get a house in america.

Considering how unproductive you are as a nation id hush

You know what I mean. I am not paying either but if I were a law abiding citizen I would.

>Not an argument

>eu flag

Fuck you

I don't think it's required by law. European restaurants are also surprisingly stingy about serving tap water

You still dont get it. You just dont understand how gay and pussy you all are. Like actual children.

YES YOU CAN GET FREE WATER YOU SCROUNGING IMPOVERISHED FUCK

BUT THAT DOESNT MEAN ITS OWED TO YOU AND IF YOU WANT TO PLAY LIKE THAT,

THE POLICE IN AMERICA ARE COMING TO KICK YOUR ASS IF YOU DONT TAKE YOUR PETULANT THIRSTY ASS OFF MY PROPERTY WITHIN 5 SECONDS.

Your childish attitude of lazy, insolent entitlement is why we look down on all of you as fucking pussies.

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>be teenager
>bike to get ice cream with friends
>"hey, can I get a glass of water with my ice cream?"
>I now have ice cream and water
>FUCKING LAZY SOCIALIST SCUM GET OFF MY PROPERTY REEEEEEEEEEEEEE

Europe successfully cucking USA

No, idiot. You would get water. Its no problem. You. Still. Do. Not. Under. Stand.

The very idea of calling the cops on someone for not giving you water makes you disgusting little shits to most americans. Because you dont deserve free water. If someone gives you free water (and they always will) thats very nice. But you do not "deserve" it.

They are misleading you.
Income levels in America are much higher than in Europe (aside from some rich small countries like Switzerland, Norway).
So basically you are richer here in America. Free health care/college just serve to reduce disposable income even more in Europe. Not to mention many people can't go to college in Europe because the government has to restrict the number of students to prevent scarcity of education. In America you can go to a University if you want to, and are willing to pay, as scarcity isn't an issue due to the laws of supply and demand. Health care is trickier of a subject, but the differences are not really anything special.
Take Denmark for example. 80% of US GDP per capita. With 1.5 to 2 times more taxes = RIP disposable income. Not to mention that with the VAT you can hardly buy anything.

If it makes you feel any better, that particular law was most likely aimed at immigrant restaurants, for obvious reasons.

I'm related to rich people who gave me millions of dollars for no reason, so there are really no disadvantages to America because I can say whatever the fuck I want as long as I don't threaten my fellow citizens or the government. Everyone has the opportunity to make something similar happen for their kin with enough hard work.

This is likely the same for those people who can only tell you vague things about American superiority: they are trust fund tourists like me.

America is pretty fucking based. Why live anywhere else?

>we have drive thrus, we can drink water for free in restaurants, we have free public restrooms. etc."

You can add those items to your list of European stuff, at least for Germany. Though I'm not sure about the water because I usually don't get me any. Tea at the Turkish restaurants is usually free though which is nice.

Hello darkness

>Chimney is in the center of the house
>fireplace in every room, including the citchen
>structures not fucked up with plastic / any other synthetic materials

Not my house but just like it. Wouldn't trade.

>I don't want more Americans moving to Europe where I plan on being.

You couldn't convince me to move to Europe if you tried.

The european house is a fucking duplex and looks like a dump. Couldn't you pick at least a nice cottage or something

Either is good if you have money

USA is probably worse if you're poor

trips dont lie

ching chong wang chi nippon fuck off dog eater, this thread is for civilized westerners, micro dick

I own a two story house. I'm selling that fucker and getting a ranch again. Ranches are easier to maintain, heat/cool, and move around in.

>not as fat as the brits
>america

Am I reading this right?

All right, I hope you're still around
First of all, what many said that we can have this livestyle, because of NATO is bullshit, many european countries are not in NATO and even if we had our fair shair it wouldn't be that much of a difference. That we contain this by borrowing money is true, but so do americans.

Lower taxes are HUGE. If you compare a 30% income tax to a 50% income tax (which everyone here in Europe who is middle class has to pay) that already means that you work more than TWO(!) months a year for someone else. And that's just the income tax. We tax the shit out of everything. In Denmark VAT is 25%, in Austria it's 20% on normal products, on gas it's over 50% and on cars it's 36%-50% depending how big the engine is. That's right, if you buy a car with a V8 for 150k€ 50k€ are taxes.

Also something that I always read and that's not true is that our healthcare is free. As a student I pay 60€/month. My mom who runs a small bussiness by herself pays 350€/month for herself. It's only free if you're unemployed, underaged or a rapefuguee.

And let's not forget americans have much higher income that almost all european states.

>Better relationship between employers and employees in Europe. Here in America Employees and Employers are at struggle against each other.
Again a big meme you fell for. Those laws do nothing but bad. If women are entitled to maternety leave then people won't like to hire woman as much. In France it's very, very hard to fire people, which resulted in many business owners cutting down on positions and avoiding to hire people, because the risk is too high.

Also don't forget that you have a huge population of minorities that drag you down in statistics. If it's just for whites gun crime in the USA is pretty much the same as in Europe. People live about the same and obesety is not that much more either.

I have one or two objections but overall it's fair.

It is a lot harder for young people to own their own home/land in many parts of Europe but not because of social mobility but because land is a sparsity. The amount of space you guys have to put stuff on is crazy compared to for example Amsterdam. The social mobility is way better in most places around Europe though. As a Swede I can literally go from homeless to to a business owner in a few years and that's a big plus. The American Dream is really the European Dream nowadays.

Food... BTFO. I don't care what anyone says, I'd rather have a pizza in NY than Italy etc. The different culinary influences over the years have made America dominant in any style of cooking. The BBQ is fucking science and art.

>As a Swede I can literally go from homeless to to a business owner

With all those regulations?

It's a meme, at least in Denmark. 9/10 new business go bankrupt before employee number 3 due to regulations and union mafias

Same here
We recently even got something called "Registrierkassenpflicht" = registry mandatory
That means everyone must have a registry, even DJs etc.

more land
literally the only advantage

>With all those regulations?

Yeah. We got decent amount of disposable income even at a minimum wage because everything including vacation is paid for with taxes so how much you want to save for a business is really up to you.

Then we also have govt subsidies for upstarts so you get a "salary" the first few months of owning a business.

On top of that the govt pays a percentage of long term unemployed's salaries to get them back into work (up to 80% where I live) so you have free help for a few years.

It's easy a fuck to own a small business this and with our safety nets you're really not risking anything so the only thing stopping you is if you feel more comfy having a regular job. The regulations doesn't really come into play until when you are moving to next plateau and hiring multiple workers in several businesses etc. Places like the US and China obviously allows you to grow quicker at that stage for obvious reasons, none of which I would trade for what we have.

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I see, well in Austria it's the opposite, if you have a small business the state tries to fuck you from every side so that you won't be competition to McDonalds & co

>I see, well in Austria it's the opposite, if you have a small business the state tries to fuck you from every side so that you won't be competition to McDonalds & co

Yeah we used to be like that as well up until the mid, late 90's - mostly for ideological reasons (business=bad, workers=good) - but had to innovate and mix more free market policies into the system after a financial crisis.

I think our situation is pretty unique(?) as well in the sense that we have a business org and the unions representing both sides of the issues and sitting down together and working out a fair deal that works for both corporations and workers in each individual branch. So if the restaurant industry is in a slump the business org call the union and the lower the salaries (and vice versa) to follow the flow of the current market.

But don't big bussinesses flee the country?
Spotify for example

American has freedom of speech, freedom of assembly, right to property, right to bear and use arms for defense. Lower taxes, lower cost of life, cheap manufactured products, cheaper gas, higher salary, less unemployment, more opportunities, more room to live.

Most Europeans would actually love to move to the US, I know I would. But your government just won't let us in.

>european homes
>british homes
choose one

Sweden is as shit for businesses as Austria currently is. The sven just tris to shill