>The students in teacher Lee Francis' history class will probably never forget the lesson he taught on free speech. Just not in the way he probably expected.
>Francis, a teacher at Massey Hill Classical High School in Fayetteville, North Carolina, was giving a lesson Monday on the First Amendment. His method? First, he tried to burn the American flag. Then he tried to cut it. Then he placed it on the floor and stepped on it.
>"I put the flag on the ground, and I took two steps with my right foot and I said, 'This is an example of free speech,'" Francis told CNN affiliate WRAL. "Two students got up and left immediately with no word, no disruption at all ... I assumed something had happened. One student came to where I was and took the flag from me."
If we're at it, students might aswell start calling him a 'nigger' for a even better free-speech example.
Parker Cruz
Why are yanks so gay for flegs?
Carter Cook
>Burning anything inside a school Topwew.
Nolan Johnson
our flag was still there bombs bursting in air
Alexander Carter
Based Students
Should have called him a nigger too
Aiden Jenkins
What exactly was the point of this "lesson"? That niggers are unpatriotic, wasteful assholes?
Cooper Anderson
That used to be common knowledge
Jacob Johnson
Makes me laugh that this nigger thought he could do this without getting fired. Way to demolish your career real quick you sure showed them!
Nolan Gonzalez
It's the symbolism, some dindu piece of trash that would be raping babies and elongating his neck in a mudhut disrespecting one of the greatest empires in human history.
Connor Martinez
FPBP
Ayden Rodriguez
I would have attacked that nigger
Dominic Cruz
The same reason the BNP is gay for Lee Rigby
Nathan Lee
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Wyatt Bell
He thinks he's doing something good but meanwhile he is doing exactly what the globalists want.
He thinks he is standing up for free speech but he is saying it also needs to be taken away by changing America.
He is basically a typical liberal. Nothing special.
In a pinch if he needed American service people who defend that flag, to save his life, he would ask.
I can kind of get the message, but honestly it seems more like he just wanted to have an excuse to piss people off
Jackson Wright
>thinking this nigger got fired wew lad
slap on the wrist, i bet he becomes a dean
i just would have walked out, said he's a worthless cunt on the way out, called my parents to pick me up and walked straight to the president's office about this malignant nigger
Lucas Morales
Sub-Zoidberg level education
Bentley Cook
God damn I would hate having this monkey as a teacher especially in a subject I love like history.
I like the call him a nigger as example of free speech idea too.
Jordan Gomez
Fucking this
Ethan Peterson
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Noah Powell
You think anything really happened to this nigger? He probably got promoted.
Asher Davis
This is part of the reason black people are so bad. Shitty single mom, no dad and school where they could get some much needed structure in their lives they get retards like this "teaching" them aka training them to be niggers and setting them up more for failure
Nathaniel Barnes
fpbp, Romanian friend
Asher Perry
fpbp
Owen Morgan
Yes it's a form of protest and shit, and I hate it But he wasn't protesting, it wasn't "free speech" He did it just because he thought he could
Jaxon Watson
if you would have called him a nigger than he would have gotten pissy. what a fucking dirty nigger
Eli Edwards
No, then they would have helped push his narrative.
Dominic Perez
My values are for 100% free speech. While it does bother me, I am okay with what he did and I don't believe he should be punished for it.
If you are for censoring free speech of any kind, you are part of the problem
Landon Lewis
Oh god,that would have been incredible
Isaac Hill
I don't think, I know, he will 100% be fired after this
Brandon Cox
Liberals limit free speech all the time.
Lucas Myers
they would just claim hate speech
John Baker
I legit would've called him a nigger I was pretty spastic back in HS and I had lots of friends in certain classes so I could get away with shit like that
Benjamin Stewart
>B-But if you called him a nigger he would be mad Like you fags are right now?
As a moderate I love this sort of faggot from "patriots", you all drone on and on about muh free speech until someone say or does something you don't like.
Really though, people only do this because they know burning a piece of polyester will trigger you.
> Francis is still taken aback by the fallout. He said he has family members and friends who serve in all branches of the military.
I wonder what they think about you teaching kids to have little respect for their country.
> “The idea to label me as anti-American or someone who hates the flag is very disingenuous when you look at the context of the lesson,” he said.
It's nuanced! You people who think he's just a disrespectful ingrate who violates social norms for his own narcissistic aggrandizement, deriving from his students the attention he craves, completely miss the nuance in his subtle speech-actions. A black schoolteacher trampling on an American flag in 2016 is nuanced, dammit.
Gabriel Edwards
Cept they don't they just do what you are doing right now, make a fuss over something.
Kevin Garcia
Why are Brits so averse to any form of patriotism? Is it because our soccer team is better than yours?
Kevin White
>I wonder what they think about you teaching kids to have little respect for their country. Most probably don't give a shit because they like a great portion of our military, are in it for dem benefits.
Nice diversion. They do worse. They ruin peoples careers when they disagree with what someone says.
Leftists believe that racism cannot exist but free speech can. It is contradictory. Racism will exist as long as free speech remains free.
Justin Garcia
>How does this make you feel, Cred Forums?
It gives me hope, to be quite honest. All students should just walk out every time they're subjected to marxist garbage.
Leo Richardson
They do it because they're promoting their anti-American, pro-gibmedat agenda. These symbolic gestures have more effect than people realize. I'm not for censorship but I don't these types of acts as innocent trolling or venting of frustration.
Isaac Baker
Yes they would, and it would work. But I don't get how hating on an entire country would not be considered hate speech as well.
Zachary Kelly
>government ran indoctrination of the youth at the tax payer's expense >Free-Speech Fuck you, you make libertarians look bad.
Luke Wright
nice
Nolan Peterson
POO
Jack Wood
Buring a flag in a classroom for no reason is as dumb as calling the guy a nigger to his face; neither are free speech.
Neither challenge the government by word or action. The teacher would get a medal from the government for burning the flag these days, and calling while Obama a nigger would qualify as free speech, Obama wasn't in the room, was he?
It's like newspapers pretending celebrity sex is a freedom of the press issue; it ain't.
It wasn't that long ago we could get arrested for "conspiracy" or even treason for criticizing our rulers in private, let alone in public. These flag burning faggots forget that.
While America was founded in part to get away from that bullshit, it's a stupid person who forgets the past, especially with the deliberate narrowing of the overton window by globalists.
Levi Lewis
Flag murder should be treated the same as regular murder.
Ryan Miller
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Jonathan Thomas
He's right, you know. This proves that the true problem is in the people who get offended regardless of what. Bait biters are a dead weight to any group, because they can be easily coerced into doing their opposition favors by chimping out.
Evan Edwards
tbqh white Americans should support this from the dindus.
Also, you should support reparations for the slavery. Give them 1-2 states, let them proclaim their own nation.
AND WALL THAT SHIT IN.
Jaxon Moore
Woah there Dracula
Landon Peterson
FIRST POST BEST POST
Brandon Bailey
Given the openly criminal and anti-American actions and rhetoric of BLM, the nuance is even worse for him in current year.
Leave the USA if you believe it is some sort of tyranny, or racist nation. Get your shit and go, nobody is stopping you, unlike the situation in, what, 80% of the rest of the planet? Maybe that's too much, maybe it's 60%; it's more than half, anyway.
Joseph Evans
>They do worse. They ruin peoples careers when they disagree with what someone says. And cons don't? You don't think there are people calling for this mans job because of it? Are you not reading this thread? Can you not step out of your safe space long enough to see that this is just as bad as any liberal you might hate?
I'd take some black dude burning a flag over what I read on Cred Forums any day. Honestly I think you are for censorship when it doesn't fit your view. You should have the right to say or do anything at anytime, the blow back that happens is a completely different story. Again, What I'm reading here is proving this guys point, conservacucks and libtards both love free speech...Until you say something you don't like.
You either give this man the right to burn a flag in a class room or someone should take away your right to call an individual a nigger.
Nicholas Mitchell
>neither are free speech both are free speech
Easton Wilson
Fayetteville is a shithole ghetto that leaches off of the adjacent army post, Fort Bragg. I'm not surprised something like this happened. The few students that left were almost certainly army brats.
Caleb Adams
Y is for Yanks, strutting their obese figure, They are controlled by the Jews and represented by a nigger.
Blake Barnes
>implying Obama wouldn't invite him to the White House
Dominic Jackson
Since when does free speech imply actually agreeing or liking something? I said there's objectively more going on then just attention whoring. You're taking what I said and warping it to fit your stupid narrative. Absolutist idealist retards like yourself have hardly any place in politics. I'm willing to bet my left nut you're some centrist douchebag.
Jeremiah Nelson
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Jackson Martinez
But he is teaching at a government funded school so he can't just say whatever he likes. foe example, he couldn't just start verbally abusing the students
Anthony Hall
F is the flag Which wherever you see You know that beneath it You’re happy and free.
Jayden Diaz
your meter is a little off i would have gone with
Y is for Yanks strutting obese figures controlled by Jews infested with niggers
Luis King
Source?
Landon Brooks
This Public schools are funded by guess what: The US government
Jose Anderson
Lol what is Mos Def a high school teacher now? Damn that is a blue gum looking nigger if I have ever seen one.
This is the problem, the meaning of the term has shifted away from its origins and lost all meaning as a result.
Calling Obama a nigger to his face is free speech; calling this guy a nigger to his face is not.
An Iraqi-American who's family lost their Baghdad home to a US airstrike burning the flag in protest is free speech; this nigger burning one is not.
Freedom of Expression, maybe.
Aiden Mitchell
ty
Jonathan Campbell
Pretty much this.
Kevin Morris
>trigger white people with this one neat trick
Luke Evans
PATRIOTS HATE HIM!
Matthew Young
>Not illegal to step on the flag class. >On administrative leave. Pretty good actually.
Julian Clark
same shit, stop trying to redefine it so you can win an argument on Cred Forums. It is simply the ability to say (or express) whatever you want to without the government interfering. It doesn't mean standing up to the government.
That the government didn't fine or arrest him for burning a flag is proof. That you can call a black person a nigger despite it being hateful is free speech.
Juan Walker
>conservacuck and libtards love free speech until someone says something they don't like
This applies to everyone in existence. You say something someone doesn't like, they will probably get offended in someway, because what you said doesn't match their perfect view of the world, and would want you to stop projecting your rhetoric.
it is literally fight or flight response. everyone is guilty of it even if they won't admit to it.
Gavin Powell
How would setting something on fire in a school be "teaching". That doesn't seem very smart.
Carson Allen
Don't brits feel any sense of pride for the Union Jack?
Colton Thomas
Thank you very much, I'm trying out different forms of shitposting.
This time using the ABC for baby patriots as inspiration.
Brody Davis
>gets paid by the government >steps on the flag of the government
W E W L A D E W L A D
SO BRAVE SO FREE
Chase Jenkins
>taken aback by the fallout
He did something intentionally offensive to many Americans. He could have explained it without having done it. That yes, you are free to destroy the flag in recent history. But many people will condemn you as an asshole, anti-American, piece of shit for doing so. And they'll be right.
Burning or desecrating a flag is the act of a person who is trying to make a statement but lacks the intelligence/creativity/charisma/whatever to get people's attention without being blatantly offensive in a way that does not in fact align with any political argument unless you're trying to broadcast your hate/contempt for America and everything it stands for.
Benjamin Long
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Liam Sullivan
>black people reinforcing the idea that they're not American
I have no problem with this.
Dylan Morales
We gave them their own state.
It's called Liberia, and it's a shithole. And the blacks that went there were racist and treated the natives like shit while trying to give them no rights.
Blacks have more land under them than whites and just as many resources. They're just too worthless to take advantage of it. They easily have the fertile land to feed themselves, the oil to sustain industry and any other resource they need. But when you can't maintain anything past the most rudimentary society (and that with endless billions of dollars a year in foreign aid), then you can't take advantage of it. When whites controlled Rhodesia (now Zimbabwe) it fed itself and several of it's neighbors. Today, they are starving and cannot even feed themselves. South Africa had an economy on par with Australia, with good future prospects and projected growth. After the end of Apartheid and the election of Mandela, it's turned into a shithole and it's economy has collapsed and millions have left.
Gabriel Carter
>The War of 1812 is the Revolutionary War >16 equals hundreds >pic related was "shredded" 61 years before. >lots of other bullshit shit/10
Dominic Ross
>I wonder what they think about you teaching kids to have little respect for their country
Because demonstrating the most extreme example of freedom of speech in a very effective manner is disrespecting the country?
Its like if you use nigger in an educational setting is it racism?
Jack Roberts
South africa is the saddest thing ever.
It was a first world country, now its worse than brazil. It must be so fucking sad for south african expats.
Logan Turner
>starting a fire of any size in an uncontrolled environment
Niggers still don't know how fire works, even when they're teaching younger generations in educational establishments.
Sebastian Brooks
the narrative that we can say what we want thanks to freedom of speech?
Ayden Foster
That coon face with the bottom protruding like that enrages me.
Henry Myers
Based primary colours
Nicholas Ward
I cry everytime
Jason James
Is flag burning considered free speech? If it is, then whatever. I can't be a hypocrite and only like free speech when the expression is the kind of expression that I like.
Landon Gomez
Britain first*
Austin Clark
FPBP. If he can destroy my countries flag then I can call him a nigger
Ryder Ross
>Government leach biting the hand that feeds him Kek, the ironing
Jose Clark
No, the guy you're replying isn't like that, since he's enlightened by his own intelligence.
Hudson Wood
Take pride in the union jack dad, you're fuckin embarrassing me in front of the fellas
Michael Sullivan
When citizens are more upset about someone saying nigger as an example of free speech than a literal nigger stepping on their countrie's flag, that's when you know it's time to start the ovens.
Nathan Rivera
It's a good flag, but British patriotism doesn't idolise it the way Americans do.
If it were to be burned in public, people would disapprove but no-one would try and stop it from happening.
There's no connection in the UK that disrespect for the flag = disrespect for the nation.
Matthew Gutierrez
My point was to take away the negro burden from white Americans.
Imagine if you had nothing to do with them and can just enjoy their chaos from a far.
Jack Williams
Hello Jamal
Asher Campbell
You are so fucking retarded. Don't pretend you know shit when you don't
Christian Parker
What? Britons don't generally revere the flag m8.
Chase Green
This, surprisingly. Fkn good on that kid who took the flag off him.
Nicholas Wood
It's highly disrespectful, but it's his right nonetheless.
Ethan Perry
>Obama a nigger to his face is free speech; calling this guy a nigger to his face is not. So are you just pretending to be retarded or...
Daniel Lee
My Alma Mater.
Fayetteville is a majority black town. Ironically, this is the school that high school aged army brats from the base try to get into. They do this to avoid the off base Haiti that is the school they are otherwise assigned to.
When my parents explained to me why I had go to this school instead of the one in our district, it was my first subtle redpill.
I was there for the Trayvon Martin shitshow. The principal wanted to have a Memorial Day for TrayTray but my friends got that shit cancelled when they asked if we could have a pro-2A protest for the sake of fairness.
When I was there a few years ago the white kids seemed relatively redpilled and uncucked compared to other places. And there was a real push back and resistance to anti white crap SJW crap. Probably due to being a minority in that city. I wonder what the racial climate there is right now.
Noah Thomas
Truly the best idea. It'd be even better coming from a kid.
Jace Bell
Just call him nigger, to test how pro freedom of speech the scum is.
Colton Hill
>but no-one would try and stop it from happening. I fucking would. We could do with a bit more of the yanks 'murrica, fuck yeah' patriotism.
Leo Cook
what is the difference between Obama (a public servant) and this public school teacher (a public servant)?
Brody Baker
"bill of rights" "zone" wtf is this
Christopher Adams
kek
Colton Diaz
> America is the problem > So let's keep voting the Democrats in, they sure change thigns
> Trump says Make America Great again, but it is already great dummies > Let me protest how horrible America is
Xavier Richardson
Also, based MHCS students. We would have probably done likewise if he pulled stunt in front of us.
Zachary Bailey
It's okay brother, he's just sipped a little too much tonight - nothing to get in a tussle over.
Nathaniel Miller
The dacian non-gypsy bro is right.
FPBP
Jack Reed
>We could do with a bit more of the yanks 'murrica, fuck yeah' patriotism.
Why make us into the Yanks? We're Britons, our patriotism has always been a dignified deference to our monarch, our parliament and to our church.
Parker Parker
Kek'd way more than I shouldve
Christopher Stewart
That's not what it is, and you know that. The nigger teacher is deliberately provoking, and making a personal statement. He's standing there talking about "muh free speech" but he's lying, the FPBP post would prove it.
Call him a nigger in his face, tell him that's what we're doing now because it's free speech. See how much he cares about free speech then, see how fast you get suspended or expelled for a "hate crime".
We are at war, and you need to start understanding that.
Samuel Wilson
Seems kinda paradoxical when you consider that the flag represents that very freedom. He may talk about free speech, but he doesn't respect it at all, nor does he respect the country that safeguards that right.
>Two students got up and left immediately with no word, no disruption at all ... I assumed something had happened. One student came to where I was and took the flag from me."
That's great in itself, even before you compare it to what the regressives do whenever someone does or says something they don't like.
Noah Parker
Romania knocking it out of the park, while UK's talking shit like a cuck Who'd have thought it'd come to this
Grayson Mitchell
I was talking about Britain, and in Britain there's not really a parallel to the American attachment to their flag.
The flag is just a symbol (albeit a very aesthetically pleasing one) for Britain, psychologically most Britons don't tie the nation as a whole into the flag.
Adrian Long
I like to think my kids would have taken the flag away from him, too.
I don't understand why people refuse to understand that it is about respect. It's not that I care about the polyester, it's the attitude of disregard for the country that gave this man the opportunity to teach and live comfortably that bothers me. There was no reason to couch the lesson in controversy like this. It's simple to just explain the concept, and wouldn't have bothered anyone.
It particularly annoys me because the left is the party of Being Triggered All The Time, and are typically the ones who scream at people to go out of their way to keep them comfortable, yet are totally unwilling to do that themselves.
Jonathan Sanchez
I'm really surprised by the reaction to this too, and by some of the replies in this thread. I used to do something similar when I was teaching.
I was student-teaching 8th graders, and giving a demonstration about flag customs, American "flag code" and patriotism in general. Mind you, it had a different tone than the one given by this teacher. Anyway, at one point in the demo, I would drag the flag on the floor (this is my dad's funeral flag), and it would get a slight reaction from the students, but I did it to demonstrate that reverence for the flag is something we have in our hearts, it's not an enforceable law, nor should it be.
Later that year I was student-teaching a HS class, and the teacher next door showed the Nick Berg beheading video, (but cut out the video leaving the audio on when they started sawing Berg's neck). That teacher got escorted off campus and later fired. My master teacher at the time and I had a good talk about giving lessons that dig too deeply into student's emotions, or cross a moral line for a given community.
Still, I can understand this teacher's approach. I don't see anything wrong with it, because I understand Freedom of Speech, and I can put things in context. I had plenty of snotty, liberal professors in college, and I could still take them with a grain of salt. I think everyone is overreacting to this.
Hunter Flores
this t b h famalam
Jaxon Sanders
I know what you're saying, but I guarantee you none of the kids in that class who "walked out" or took the flag from him are just dumb redneck patriots or whatever you think they are.
They are, however, young people sick of this shit. They go to class everyday and they're being taught by these lowlife degenerates, who are typically childless, don't have a family, have no connection to their own lives, or the community they live in - but they're standing there everyday soapboxing about how the country they live in sucks, and you gotta care about nigger criminals instead.
People are getting really sick of this shit, really fast. They are inundated it with a daily basis, it's overtaking their lives and when they're forced to take a closer look they realize these people are fucking degenerates.
Jacob Smith
Intentionally starting a fire inside a building (especially a school) isn't free speech.
Calling someone a nigger is free speech and protected under the 1st amendment. It's such a morally shitty thing, a judge will rule that the statement meets the 'fighting words' standard after people attack the person saying 'nigger'.
t. lawyer
Carter Rogers
>and the teacher next door showed the Nick Berg beheading video
jesus christ
Easton Bell
I just moved out of Fayetteville, and I know people who went to Massey Hill.
Colton Murphy
We planted that flag around the world by force of arms in the honest belief that the Englishman was the finest of God's creations. We've lost our way.
Dylan Bennett
>I guarantee you none of the kids in that class who "walked out" or took the flag from him are just dumb redneck patriots or whatever you think they are.
That's not what I was saying, I never even implied it. I'm merely stating that American patriotism exhibits itself differently to British patriotism, and that there's no reverence for the flag in Britain, even among patriots.
As states, even dragging the flag on the floor elicited some reaction in his class, such a thing would not happen in Britain.
I'm not belittling American patriotism, just saying how it's different to British.
>They are, however, young people sick of this shit. They go to class everyday and they're being taught by these lowlife degenerates, who are typically childless, don't have a family, have no connection to their own lives, or the community they live in - but they're standing there everyday soapboxing about how the country they live in sucks, and you gotta care about nigger criminals instead.
Yes, we get that here: "Britain would be boring if it was just old, white men." - my former Government & Politics teacher, when I asked why he supported multiculturalism.
Easton Lopez
>It's not that I care about the polyester, it's the attitude of disregard for the country that gave this man the opportunity to teach and live comfortably that bothers me. >They go to class everyday and they're being taught by these lowlife degenerates, who are typically childless, don't have a family, have no connection to their own lives, or the community Are you the same poster? I'm asking because this may be the best explanation to help me wrap my head around why this offends so much.
I raise this question because I'm a former teacher. (I lost my job to Mexicans, for Mexicans), I'm conservative, and I'm a White Nationalist. I still have no problem with a black teacher (black or otherwise) giving this lesson.
Juan Hall
Yep. This was long before ISIS.
Charles Lee
We'll find our way again, but the great Britons of the past would think you were a nutter if you had such a hard-on for the flag.
Do you think Nelson or Rhodes cared about a piece of cloth? No, they cared for the nation and its glory.
Nathaniel Reed
>our monarch That most of your people don't respect
>our parliament That even less people respect
>Our church that is soon going to be replaced by Islam
Cool nation bro
Charles Murphy
>saddest thing It's definitely a depressing scenario. It drastically dropped the quality of life for everyone, so they actually won nothing but misery and shorter, harder lives.
I agree that we would be better off without them. But I wouldn't be willing to give them one of our own states as their own ethnic hellhole.
I would be comfortable with this plan: >pay them each to move to any African nation of their choice (even at $10,000 apiece it's a bargain) >they must renounce American citizenship and sign an agreement that they will never return to America or even leave the African continent (after it's all done, capital punishment will be instated for offenders, but we won't tell them that) >continue all current government benefits for 2 years (again, a small drop in the bucket compared to a life time and their future generations) >any dependents must go with them, the deal being multiplied for each of them >we import as many people from Europe, and maybe Central Asia as we need to replace them, which won't be anywhere near the 40,000,000 blacks we deported because less than 1/3 of that maintained full time jobs
Samuel Gomez
((They)) really fucked up, they started trying way too hard when the tiny cracks started to form and it made it obvious as fuck. Now the cracks are getting larger faster.
Christian Morris
Most polls report that the monarchy is more popular than ever, and a national referendum showed that the majority of Britons wanted to regain a sovereign Parliament.
Meanwhile
>60%
and dropping fast.
Elijah Taylor
Well I am not a psychic, nor was I there, but I can only imagine this is the explanation. If you look at it within the confines of the classroom, it won't make that much sense or the kids may seem like they are overreacting. But if you pull back and look at everything these kids are being exposed to, maybe its starting to be too much. The future of America is bleak, the media and our own politicians have created an extremely hostile social environment - it's bad. Everyone is just pissed off. I wouldn't be surprised if kids in a classroom will get pissed at a nigger stepping on a flag calling it "free speech" when these kids are smart enough to realize they're basically in a prison where they'll get reprimanded, suspended or expelled for saying the "wrong things".
Gavin Lee
>your speech isn't free speech
Josiah James
This
Oliver Garcia
...
Dominic James
Fpbp Romania
Anthony Myers
No, I'm not that guy.
It bothers me because he clearly does not respect the country that gave him the opportunity to teach this lesson at all. I don't see what you being a teacher has to do with anything. It's not just the lesson, it's the fact that he even thought it was a good idea.
Why does he need to trample on the flag to make his point? It's totally unnecessary. I don't care that it counts as free speech; he's still an asshole for doing it, and by implicitly encouraging his students to do the same.
He's conflating "legal" and "moral" by doing it. It's legal for people in Canada to fuck dogs now; does that mean it's acceptable or right to do so?
THAT'S the lesson, and he apparently couldn't think past using the symbol of his own country's sovereignty as a prop.
Mason Jones
I read somewhere that most natives consider themselves English, Scottish, etc instead of "British." And that black and "asian" people there don't identify as such. Isn't that right?
That probably has something to do with it. There is only one banner here for everyone.
It would still be equally disgusting if a darky in Europe tried to disrespect his home country's flag though imo
Chase Ramirez
Then why did we save pic related for 200 years? It's not the piece of cloth, it's what it symbolises and represents.
Christopher Kelly
>I read somewhere that most natives consider themselves English, Scottish, etc instead of "British." And that black and "asian" people there don't identify as such. Isn't that right?
Yes, that's true. Non-natives tend to call themselves "British", whereas natives refer to themselves by their country. I think subconsciously everyone knows that a black person can't be English, but somehow British seems more palatable.
>That probably has something to do with it.
I don't think so, it's never been a done thing - even before mass migration. If I had to theorise I'd say Americans are reverent of their flag because it was a rallying point:
1. In the early stages of its nationhood, it was a tangible symbol of the new identity people wished to create
and
2. When migrants came in it was useful to have an enduring symbol (not just a President) that people could all rally behind.
Britain has never needed this because the identities developed organically, and we have the figure of our monarch as a rallying point. So in Britain this reverence of the flag never came to be.
Luke Parker
nigger
Luis Hill
World War I injected everybody with nationalist fervor, and symbols like the flag became holy relics of patriotism. No one gave a shit about the flag before then. They might as well have cried over someone ripping up a political cartoon.
Dylan Roberts
This desu
Robert Wood
>Then why did we save pic related for 200 years
Needed something to fly on the ships, hence Union JACK.
>it's what it symbolises and represents.
If all flags on the earth were to disappear, Britain would still be here, our traditions and thousands of years of history do not lie solely with a piece of cloth, lad.
Carson Johnson
THIS
while, intellectually, I fully support his ability to do that, in the context of the west in 2016, with "free speech" being rapidly eroded from all angles, our economies dying, our countries being erased (culturally/ethnically) in the unstoppable march of marxism, basically no hope for the future, and with they fading memories of greater men than us who lay dying, bleeding out, knowing they gave their own life for a nation, a people, and a set of ideas being shredded piece by piece
to watch a smug "intellectual" nigger stand on the american flag to make a point, (notice he didn't attack any sacred leftist cow) KNOWING FULL WELL THAT YOUR LIFE WOULD BE RUINED IF YOU CALLED HIM A NIGGER FOR "HATE SPEECH" is too fucking much
we need nationalism now more than ever, we face oblivion otherwise