Developments Sept. 21 >Russia, Syria deny airstrikes on aid convoy >Syrian army, Quds Brigade advances near Handarat Camp >ISIS rapidly recapturing villages from Turkey-backed militants in northern Syria >SAA captures Ramouseh Artillery Base in southern Aleppo >BREAKING: Syria army declares 'end' of ceasefire >Armenia seeks long-term diplomatic relationship with Iran >Assad accuses US of purposely targeting Syrian Army in Deir Ezzor >US Airstrikes kill +100 and wound +100 SAA soldiers in Deiz Ezzor
Syrian presidential adviser accuses US of deliberately targeting Syrian Army - youtu.be/b27JHrXR8dc Samantha Power blames everything on Russia / defends US actions in Syria - youtu.be/w8sHzxILZMk
When it is relatively calm, you guys devolve to jerking each other off.
id's fuggn badeddic.
Nathaniel Murphy
>Vote minesota mane >hell yeah
Kayden Perez
Shitposting started off as a joke. then it became a lifestyle
Gabriel Miller
I put the tittle on the option and not in the subject textbox
Aiden Peterson
The birth of a new shill.
Lincoln Carter
I am low on shitposting fuel, maybe in the coming days I will rev up dem shitposting to break the echo chamber again Vallahi await me L M A O
Better luck next time fampai
Alexander White
yes but only for a month then the heli crash happened now im back
John Baker
Now I know you tripfags are having a nice little circle jerk in here As you do every day And imma let you finish, really But first let me just say that this poor man's forum you've created is very very VERY similar to reddit It also seems to be FILLED with people who never venture out from this thread They only come to this entire website to go to this thread So, that creates this bubble which is unlike the rest of the website in the worst possible way I just worry that one day you faggots will decide to leak out & hurt Cred Forums If you get tired of this thread, just go back to facebook or reddit or whatever DO NOT DECIDE TO MAKE OTHER THREADS Am I being clear name faggots? Okay good. Tab closed
i go outside this thread all the time hell i rarely ever come here i only joined when i heard about how you guys helped located a target thanks chilebro
Jonathan Scott
CANT CONCUR THE ONUR!!
Andrew Nguyen
lmao
Cameron Russell
i dont know what the fuck that face is ive seen it a lot does it have to do with russia?
Luke Bell
Hey james. what is that? yogurt?
Luis Harris
Inside of East Aleppo
RuAF giving them light to see were they're walking
Logan Bailey
ice cream
Ryder Green
Kill yourself.
Brody Hill
east where?
Brayden Price
It pains me to admit but I'm on Onur's side here. This drag queen of /sg/ twitter vote bullshit is a very new low that I did not hope of /sg/.
Christopher Cox
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Connor Perry
with vlad P we mobbin syrian cities we roamin kerry says stop bombin so we barrelz throwin
Jayden Lopez
>@BosnjoBoy (14) USA officially gave Rebels 30days to 'reach' Al Bab town. Otherwise, they can't promiss any more delay with #YPG offensive >twitter.com/BosnjoBoy/status/778614587352616960 Could this be true?
it has been confirmed that Isis is using mustard gas (super low energy)
Do you think they can make it better and go undetected to Europe? Or do you think they already have it there?
Hudson Stewart
That Iraqi PMU account is full of trash. Iraqis no doubt will take it this week but it's too soon for it to have all been liberated
Jeremiah Richardson
Can somebody tell me why Barrel bombs are so controversial? What's the moral difference between a 500lb conventional vs a barrel?
Carter Thompson
All this destruction so that a weak chinned bastard can stay as president... A good president would've voluntarily stepped down to preserve his country.
Brayden Brown
This is true, very true
Gabriel Sanchez
Because Assad Did not give money to Clinton foundation in exchange for Kike made bombs
Noah Baker
(You)
Hudson Wood
What happens when Assad wins? Will memes and shitposting rebuild Syria?
Landon Howard
that better be blue bell
Isaiah Howard
yes we just need to keep (((them))) out of syria it will be tough, but we can do it
Nathan Wright
No. China will.
John Jackson
its an ice cream cup >pic related
Jeremiah Jenkins
both Russia and US get humiliated and losesü their credibility, this war is simply amazing
Dylan Gomez
yeah and i'm saying it better be blue bell. best brand 2bh fampai
James Bennett
I would say Turkey was the country to take the biggest hit to its reputation in this war desu senpai
Gabriel Rogers
i dont know what brand it was but goddamn if you asked my favorite chocolate bar i think you could tell by my tripname
>According to local activists, the Saudi Air Force repeatedly struck a crowded market inside the Al-Hawak District of Al-Hadidah, causing as many as 75 casualties (25 dead and 50 wounded) on Wednesday.
but i guess muh convoy is more important
Isaac Rodriguez
Valhalli, if chilebro does not win the /sg/-fu tournament, if the twitterbot crusaders of ivan sidorenko do not stop voting in the polls, then KEKBEER!!!!!!
Alexander Parker
>it doesn't count because saudi is great ally :^))
Julian Thompson
>Do you think they can make it better and go undetected to Europe?
jihadists have nerve gas
>undetected to Europe
The EU seems to think so;
>CBRN substances have been carried undetected into the European Union
>"Russia remains prepared to make them (the agreements) public and to circulate them here in the UN," Lavrov said. "I’d like to stress specially these Russian-U.S. accords underline the separation of opposition units from the Islamic State and Jabhat al-Nousra terrorists to ensure the ceasefire more efficaciously, to resolve humanitarian tasks and to cut short the terrorists’ striving to evade retaliation."
Will this be the final blow to US credibility? Well I guess pretty much everyone know theyre a fucking joke already, but you can always add some salt to the wounds.
Never will they fight you, [even] in unison, otherwise than from within fortified strongholds or from BEHIND walls. Severe is their warlike discord among themselves: thou wouldst think that they are united, whereas [in fact] their hearts are at odds [with one another]: this, because they are people who will not use their reason. 59:14
Cameron Ramirez
Because America doesn't use barrel bombs. Ergo they can make them out to be the worst thing in the world and never have to worry about looking like hypocrites.
interesting lyrics (KSA is literally Satan to them) and great footage
Liam Ramirez
Al Nusra's videos are of great quality most of the times.
>that Jonson meme lol
Brayden Ward
Indeed. US UK Israel Turkey Saudi Qatar are all united against Assad, but their hearts are at odds. As obvious by their proxies and policies undoing each other.
Matthew Cooper
Why because he put the Sunni vermin in his country in their proper places? (prisons and graves.)
Grayson Turner
I love that video
Colton Thompson
What is alebbo? -Gary Johnson
Jose Harris
>KSA is literally Satan They're not wrong.
Colton Bennett
ASSAD OR WE BURN THE COUNTRY.
Charles Wright
It's just some bullshit syrian rebel supporters and leftists in general cry about since they don't like watching their pet jihadis die.
Carson White
Do they have any proof that Russians/Syrians did the strike other than "muh double tap"?
Brayden Adams
Non-shitpost answer:
Barrel bombs can not be aimed, they can just be dropped to a general location. They are very inaccurate, which often results is severe civilian casualties.
Chase King
ok, almasirah tv on YT is not kill official channel still up
>#Syria #Aleppo Unconfirmed Report that some residents sneaked onto #Shaar Bridge and raised #Syrian Flag.
Levi Roberts
bruh, he obviously did. but it doesn't matter
Daniel Bell
you should care
everytime you complain that the road is shit or that the doctor is too expensive or that college is too expensive remember that your tax money is paying Syria, Iraq, Libya and fifty other conflicts
Blake Wilson
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Ian Smith
Don't forget it's also paying for the defense budgeting for NATO members who REFUSE TO PAY THEIR ////FUCKING//// DEBNTS
Lincoln James
no, they repeatedly said they cant confirm that and that they cant reveal info because muh secret intelligence plus the narrative is ever changing
the only bro tier response was from the nato leader who said that we should get evidence first before pointing fingers
Lucas Bell
dat houthi artillery opsec tho
Blake Ramirez
>TEHRAN (FNA)- The Russian warships stationed in Syria's coastal waters targeted and destroyed a foreign military operations room, killing over two dozen Israeli and western intelligence officers.
Only appears to be Middle Eastern media reporting on it for now.
Lucas Hall
yeah muh farmers with AKs ey?
yeah agreements should be honoured
on the other hand if USA stopped doing the shit theyre doing we literally wouldnt need to spend as much on defense USA just loves creating enemies for itself
I wish EU would wake up, but I guess money talks and selling your country as a colony to the US is not so bad if you get fat stacks for it.
Gabriel Bennett
oh…oh shit
Luis Wood
Dead kikes I am happy
Leo Rivera
how do they know the nationalities of the targets if they just obliterated them with a hugeass missile?
Andrew Kelly
Is it already confirmed?
Zachary Cruz
So that's what the earlier reports of 30 dead israeli and american niggers was about.
Neat.
Isaiah Perry
You're asking the wrong person, I just post the news. Given that it's receiving coverage from Fars and Al-Alam I say it's at least possibly true.
Liam Butler
K I K E S B T F O I K E S
B T F O
Brody Jackson
>Anything related to war happens >BLAME RUSSIANS THEY DID IT
I love the world we live in.
Ayden Carter
I know mate. I don't disbelieve it, we all know theres is a command point like that somewhere.
what im saying is: Maybe they knew about it in advance? They knew all these different advisors would be there and thats why the news are so specific?
but it's weird that this info would leak so i dunno
Robert Jones
It's funny that the Houthis have had better opsec than Westerners, let alone the various headchoppers.
My initial suspicion is that it was a tip-off from a country or person aware of their location. Perhaps Turkey.
Cameron Miller
STAY CLASSY, HAPPY HOUTHI
Brandon Sanders
Actually those figures are only a little wrong. Not 3 Qatari fighters died. There were no casualities on their side and an FtM actually gave birth while being stationed there, so the saudi forces acutally gained a soldier while sieging the city. Proxy, vacation, or actually from curacao?
Anthony Murphy
As for the Russians blowing up a bunker filled with Americans, Israelis, British and whatnot.
Think about this guys. If the Russians killed Americans, Israelis and British. Don't you think those nations would be screaming high treason and going straight to the UN to complain about it?
Their silence highlights that even if it were Americans and whatnot in that bunker, they were likely Jihadis. They were not people working for their state governments.
The result of an SJW President with little knowledge of empire-management deciding to listen to female SJWs (Clinton, Power and Rice) and a regime change-hungry CIA Director (Brennan). Responsibility to Protect is a cuck doctrine and the failed the US more than Bush's wars ever did. If anything, Obama should have stayed in Iraq for a few more years and done the same thing the Americans did in Japan. American presence would have become normal and Iraqis wouldn't blow shit up. He should have focused on building an economy and slowly withdrawing troops while creating strong institutions and a strong military.Instead, you have ISIS now. Libya should not have been bombed and we should have remained completely neutral on Syria, no matter how much CNN and MSNBC whined. Instead, we now have the worst outgoing foreign relations from any President (even Carter didn't do that bad).
Justin Davis
>They were not people working for their state governments. Not directly, anyway.
lmao look at these low energy saudee soldiers also most of the unit is pretty dark skinned, huh?
>Saudi Arabia's economy is highly dependent on foreign labor (roughly a third of the population). The armed forces are no exception. That's fine, as long as the military goes out of its barracks for exercises only. But a war is something else, and on the battlefield it is difficult to rely on foreign contractors to remain with units. Some sources even maintain that a large part of the fighting in Yemen is done by mercenaries (Saudi Arabia's ally—the UAE—is recruiting soldiers as far away as Latin America).
I'm not inclined to take the news story at face-value until others begin to report the same, but the part that bothers me is that Fars is supposedly a media outlet for the Iranian Government.
Why would they risk posting a news story this inflammatory? I suppose propaganda is as good a reason as any though.
>Eritrea's president Isaias Afwerki visited Riyadh last week to meet King Salman and other leading Saudi officials. This has led many to believe that Eritrea could follow Senegal's lead - the West African nation announced earlier this week that it would send 2,100 soldiers to join the Saudi alliance.
Noah Robinson
>Don't you think those nations would be screaming high treason and going straight to the UN to complain about it? Well one possible reason is that they are not supposed to be there. Imagine Obongo trying to explain he had ground troops all over the place when he promised not to.
Still I don't believe that story is real.
Jonathan Watson
That being said, I appreciate that he didn't bomb Syria. if that were the case, ISS (Islamic State of Syria) with Baghdadi as Caliph would be a UN Member State.
Sauce? Wouldn't be surprised, I remember a story about a badly wounded female CIA case officer who escaped to Turkey a few months ago.
Jason Hall
>Actually those figures are only a little wrong. Not 3 Qatari fighters died. There were no casualities on their side and an FtM actually gave birth while being stationed there, so the saudi forces acutally gained a soldier while sieging the city.
>t. Bundeswehr Bob
Jaxson Edwards
>turks helpinh aids slavshits in any way
lmao no
we would rather save a dying ebola ridden monkey than a russian
Elijah Brown
I remember I read an interview with an syrian army user during JFS offensive to break siege of aleppo. he was talking about foreign assets who were trapped in eastern aleppo and said the goal of breaking the siege was to rescue them from besieged area.
Parker Johnson
then why would you get back and kissed moscva ass again, sucking up about jet pilot's family? dying ebola ridden monkey would rather go back and die in africa than saved by you fucking roach.
>The United Nations said it would resume humanitarian aid deliveries in Syria as early as Thursday,
>Jens Laerke, spokesman for the U.N. humanitarian aid agency, said Wednesday that “several” convoys are expected but did not specify where they would go. He said none would go to the besieged city of Aleppo.
all he said was he was sorry for the death of the pilot and the family, not sorry for killing him
Charles Anderson
>All ISSG states now have 4/5 chapters of the US-#Russia agreement on #Syria.
>The 5th component remains exclusive to #Washington & #Moscow.
publish them already
Robert Campbell
wat up assad fanboys
Robert Perry
Those were rumours. But if true it would have been Turks. The Western coalition has kept it's people away from such potential encirclements for just that reason.
Jace Stewart
>both Russia and US get humiliated and losesü their credibility, this war is simply amazing What happened?
Blake Parker
turk fantasies
Hudson Cook
No one here supports Assad. You're in the wrong thread.
And Ivan Sirodenko became the king of /sg/, at least i tried
Joseph Gomez
Stay classy happy houthi.
Oliver Flores
>chilebro's face when
Austin Anderson
I wonder if "Ivan" will now finally come out and reveal himself as literally Vladimir Putin. Then again the saudees would intantly delet his account if he did that so probably not.
Juan Hill
>ivan is actually Suheil
Dominic Garcia
>mfw
Evan Collins
Sounds like Russia is going to agree to the no fly zone
Adrian Howard
>GUYS BUT ASSAD IS A FASCIST LIKE HITLER AND FRANCO
David Murphy
Hello all, I see that my script performed its task (no thanks to Minnesota for screwing it up). Anyway, I'm not going to stick around but here is a photo of the MiG-31BSM. Don't be stupid
Christian Watson
Always loved how massive the MiG-25/31 engines are
Jaxson Morris
@souriya4syrians is actually Suheil.
Jackson Russell
Same
Blake Reed
I said I was sorry
Camden Foster
I'm just joking around. I'll start my new /hr/ thread probably tomorrow too.
Joshua Price
sounds good
Kayden Jackson
It's literally a pair of massively oversized engines that happen to have fins an a cockpit tacked on. Pretty much the most Russian thing I've ever seen.
Xavier Flores
DELETE THIS!
Daniel Collins
Gotta love the fact that they are that big because they made the original MiG-25 out of steel. Because it was cheaper and more readily available than titanium. And it is still the fastest fighter in the sky.
Samuel Powell
So are a lot of other planes actually. Anyone in the aerospace sector can tell you that designing the aircraft is the easy part, the hard part is the powerplant.
Kayden Young
Yeah but as far as the ratios between the engines and the rest of the plane go, this design really makes a statement here. I feel like the engines were considerably smaller originally, and when MoD showed it to Vlad he was like "We have to go bigger."
Levi Lee
facts of life:
Turks will always like only Poles and Bosnians among slavs. Ever. Perios.
Turks will always love and act like bros towards Hungarians even if hungarians think they aren't Altaic or Tengriist.
Turks will always hate arabs and k*rds more than anything for all the betrayal and disgusting shit that happened since Manzikert.
Greeks are generally ok, we don't hate them.
How can you hate your own children.
Xavier Sanders
Mashallah, couldn't have said it any better.
Adrian Cruz
Aren't Turks more Greek than Turkic?
Ryder Johnson
>tfw I started caglarposting >tfw I started "I think we can all agree on this" war rankings >tfw I started minnesota tan is a NEET pimple trap by night meme
I truly am chosen amongst many.
Jordan Peterson
>tfw I started minnesota tan is a NEET pimple trap by night meme
I support this man.
Jonathan Rodriguez
Not really.
Turkish Sipahis and villagers kept pure throughout the 700 years. Their bloodlines were always muslim turks, only the aristocrats and around 30% of Janissaries were racemixed.
Sipahi cavalry were ordered by law to remain Turkic and to "have a maximum of one eights impurity compared to Seljuk Oguz' era"
So basically the maximum half-breed a Sipahi cavalry warrior could marry and have kids with had to be a proven %12 nonturk at best.
BUT Ottomans considered Magyar (Hungarians), Beç-Kin (Germanic Austrians) and Tatars equivalent to purebred Turkics.
So Sipahi officers could mix with those.
But no slavs, greeks, arabs, r*manians gypsies, ajam (iranian) allowed at all.
Austin Brown
>Turkish Sipahis and villagers kept pure throughout the 700 years. What are you basing this on? You think they wouldn't intermarry with Greeks who converted to Islam? Whereas no Muslims would convert to Christianity (or very few, anyway), and Muslims who did marry Christian would almost surely raise their children as Muslims in the Ottoman Empire. So mixing would end up a lot more on the Muslim side than the Christian side.
Gavin Garcia
Check out the English Electric Lightning if you want an insanely high engine to plane ratio.
Xavier Smith
The MiG-31 (and MiG-25 too) dates back to Brezhnev actually. The engines are that big because both aircraft's flight envelope pushed the known limits. Same goes for the SR-71 actually, no less revolutionary in any sense.
And this still is happening today. The reason why the PAK-FA was able to fly so quickly is because it uses upgraded AL-31 engines (essentially the Su-27 powerplant), while the Izd. 30 which will be a revolutionary engine will come online in 2018. The same can almost be said for the F-35 too believe it or not, there is an program going on called the AETP (Adaptive Engine Transition Program) that in the simplest terms will provide the technology for a next generation powerplant for the F-35.
Hudson Allen
It was against the Yasa, the absolute law of the Sultan and Töre the absolute Turkic law of the people.
Janissaries were half Turkic half devshirme.
But Sipahis (both Timarli and otherwise) had to remain absolutely Turkic. Because they owned Seljuk land (Timars) and Ottoman Sultan considered his state the successor to Seljuk nobility.
It was against Töre (Pagan Turkic custom) to hand Turkic bled land to Non-Turks.
So Sipahi were always Turkic. No question about it.
Most slanted eyed, Turkic looking Turks have their roots under Sipahi service.
People often forget that Sipahi Corps, the Cavalary Army of the Ottomans was actually MORE numerous than Janissaries.
Around 1600 Ottomans had aroung 60 Thousand Vanguard (Akinci) and Regular (Nizami) Sipahi divisions. Thats a ridiculously huge Cavalry Army number. Only Polish Hussars were as numerous in terms of Horsemen.
So basically if there were around 60,000 Turkic Sipahi soldiers in 1600, around 1,200,000 Turks today derive their lineage from Turkic Sipahi.
Of COURSE there are many other Turkic generic Turkish people. But Sipahi bloodlines are assumed to be pure, its a Turkish custom thing.
We're insanely xenophobic on occasions.
David Hughes
>It was against the Yasa, the absolute law of the Sultan and Töre the absolute Turkic law of the people. For villagers to marry converted Greeks? I don't think so.
Wyatt Davis
XDDD
Lincoln Morales
Numbers dont lie anyways.
Around 1500 according to Ottoman State documents, around 200,000 Greeks existed in Ottoman Empire (All of greece was conquered)
This is compared to Around 7 million Turkmen who came from Central Asia from Merv and Samarkand for the past 500 years.
You can't racemix and assimilate unless the spoiling race has numerical advantage
Let's say 90% of the 7 million Turkics in Ottomans around 1500-1600 were ALL fucking a Greek woman.
Then they have at most 1 million Greek-Turk descendants today because only 70,000 greek women exist to fuck.
If we make a generous assumption that around 5% married and fucked converted greeks, then that makes around 200,000 Greek descendants today.
So basically 200,000 Turkish citizens may have Greek blood.
WE on the others hand were the crushing Majority compared to them.
I estimate around 50% of Greeks today having dominant Turkish genes.
We Turk'ed them silly.
Elijah Perry
The 3 of you goys are NEET by only shitposting here
Dylan Richardson
>BUT Ottomans considered Magyar (Hungarians), Beç-Kin (Germanic Austrians) and Tatars equivalent to purebred Turkics. literally kurd-tier WE WUZ
Parker Peterson
>this is what turks really believe
Colton Fisher
good night, pic related me and my bitch Onur
Gavin Parker
Well this is because Russia has been smart with aircraft design. Mainly pushing for evolutionary rather than revolutionary. When it came time for the new next generation fighter it's basically just a tarted up Su-27 family fighter. Which made things easy to get right and working early on.
Meanwhile the West but especially the US has been throwing out everything and going clean slate almost with every new plane. The engines are all new designs. The air frame all new. The sensors all new. With the F-35 they then also added new systems like the fucking stupid fueldraulics. Seriously, fuel has a much lower flashpoint than hydraulic fluid does and then you want to put it under pressure and spread it out across the entire aircraft. Yeah the F-35 is going to burn when it takes damage.
Anyway the result of the US approach has been "Oh shit this revolutionary new tech part isnt working quite right. Delay everything while we fix it." and so the F-35 a plane who's program started in the early 90s is getting pushed into early use this year. More than 20 years later. And it's sensors are already out of date.
Benjamin Perez
Problem is Turks had 17 dominant Empires since 209BC.
We are literally the only proven WE WUZ in reality other than maybe Latins.
Jack James
>around 200,000 Greeks existed in Ottoman Empire That's the extent of the entire Greek population of the Byzantine Empire? I highly doubt it
Ian Gonzalez
Constantinople had dropped to 50,000 by 1453.
The Byzantine Empire was at MAXIMUM around 150,000 by 1400. Most Latins and Greeks went to Epirus / Venice as Seljuks BTFO Byzantine armies left and right since 1100
uh....... i thought it was assad that used chemical weapons not isis.........
really makes you think huh...
Bentley Edwards
Constantinople constituted the majority of Byzantium's population by 1450.
The city is officially scientifically stated to be 50,000 people by 1453
Let's say the remainder of holdings (Athens, Morea etc.) had another 100,000 people (which is too much)
its even less than 200,000
Read some articles breh
Brandon James
Muslim Bosnians like you solely due to gibs and economic investment you make there.
Josiah Cruz
I've never seen an annoying bosnian to be honest
theyre all humble and down to earth
bosnians got actually genocided, unlike the bullshitter armenians, and they're still zen as fuck
Zachary Gray
why are turks such diddn dus?
Luis Reyes
Well, everytime people say you are Greeks and Armenians they refer to the ethnic state of entire Anatolia as it was up to Battle of Manzikert of 1071.
If we look it at that then the basis of your pop really were hellenized orthodox Anatolians.
This is why I like playing Crusader Kings 2. In 8th century "Greeks" are all up to north Syria, Antioch and entire Levantine coast are Orthodox native Arabs, Egypt is still Christian (Manichean).
William Martinez
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Cameron Wood
Not fully true I would say. The PAK-FA is a clean sheet design with a lot of the research going into it being based upon the MFI program of the 1990's which was supposed to succeed the Su-27 and which the outcome was the Su-47. Due to the political and economic climate, Russia couldn't finish the project (not that they would want to as it had its own underlying flaws). Russia does develope its own clean sheet designs but Russia has always been great at cost control. Nor do they try to synchronize all the steps as you said (brand new engine and brand new airframe all at once), so Russia is fine with flying and testing with older engines until the new engines are ready for production. Similar things have been done with the Su-27 which originally flew with AL-21 engines.
You are right about Western aircraft. The US and Europe have much more money readily available. It has always seemed to me that they forgot "necessity is the mother of inventions." Anyhow, as I mentioned before, the US attempts of synchronizing everything comes back here and it hurts the US extremely as seen through the F-35 where tons of money was burned. And as you said at the same time the progress of technology does not stop and some systems become antiquated while the teams struggle to patch up other faults.
With all that said, I better be going offline now as I have obligations outside of Cred Forums too. I would love to discuss this again.
Here is a Be-200 right out the factory.
Aiden Rogers
literally Eritreans
Nathaniel Hall
The Byzantine Empire's population may have dropped to 200,000, but there's no way that the ethnic Greek population was that low when you consider Greece proper, the Balkans, Anatolia, the Black Sea coastal regions, and coastal Levantine populations.
> unlike the bullshitter armenians
What's your take on it?
Hudson Harris
During Seljuks as those 6-7 million Turkmen came in from Merv (AKA Great Seljuk Firman to Migrate West for the Red Apple -- Red Apple is the Symbol for the West ripe to be taken to Turks) then Greeks moved west.
I would say 1 to 1.5 million Greeks existed around 1000 sure, But 500 years later most had assimilated to Naples, Epirus area, Hungarian Kingdom, Venice etc.
The ENTIRE fucking city of Merv, which was around 1 million people back in 900 AD, the focus of the Silk Road, full of Turkmen, pumped Turkmen colonists west, who pushed and fought and pushed and fought.
Turkmen migrated so much that Turkish Anatolian population became around 5,000,000 Turks by 1300, whereas Turkmenistan Turks decreased from 1.5 million to 200,000
Merv Today, the fucking New York City of the Dark Ages in Asia, is 30,000 people
Its crazy
We forced march and ethnic deporation cleansed around 150-200 thousand Armenians.
At least 50,000 died because ottomans didnt prepare logistically.
But the Armenian so called bullshit Genocide, wasnt a systematic butchery of Armenians.
The fucking Ottoman parliament during the so called "Genocide" had 70 untouched Armenians.
Once you tell this fact to Armenians they get trigged and froth at the mouth
Evan Thompson
Why are Turks so delusional. Every generic study of Anatolia says the same things. Western Anatolia is 5-15% Turkish greeks and the east similar but are more middle eastern Influence's not greek.
Conquering armies almost never constituted numbers to supplant native populations, they just mix with locals.
Carson Green
Also have any Americans seen the story about John Brennan, the director of the fucking CIA, admitting to having voted for the CPUSA back in the 70's?
Jose Morgan
>I would say 1 to 1.5 million Greeks existed around 1000 sure, A lot more than that, seeing as how the population of the empire at that time was 12 million
Landon White
lmao
what?
Even Ottoman Empire at its height, 8,000,000 sq km, was 50,000,000 people.
Byzantines never EVER had 12 million population.
Even Roman Empire, which had all the known world more or less in 170 AD, was around 55 million people.
Henry Cook
>russians killing kikes
BASED PUTIN
Juan Powell
Assuming, for the sake of argument perhaps, that the Ottoman authorities did in fact knowingly order a genocide/mass purge/systematic butchery, do you think it would have been justified?
What do Turks think about the Byzantine and Roman Empires in general?
That is during Justinian, when he claimed Italian peninsula and Alpine Gaul (10% of world population at the time)
Byzantines didnt really control rome which was still huge until Vizigoths fucked everything up
Turks respect both
Byzantines generally has a reputation for being full of sidious politics and intrigue and backstabbery.
Romans are basically venerated until Huns, when Turks always support Huns (as we view them as Altaic/Turkic)
Huns for us, are the good guys after Atilla and his bro arrive
Juan Reyes
>That is during Justinian, No, the population was about 20,000,000 under Justinian
John Walker
Interesting. I always thought you blitzed Anatolian interior after Manzikert, conquering natives who stayed put.
Juan Mitchell
you are overestimating world population
Halve your numbers after Bubonic Spread and Black Death hits
World population was culled to 1/3 during dark ages
Roman numbers weren't reached until Baroque era.
Ryan Evans
I've been reading Mencius Moldbug and some of the Neoreactionary set's theories about postwar communist infiltration, McCarthyism, and the like lately. Their argument is essentially that McCarthy was correct, and actually if anything underestimated the degree of USG infiltration by communist sympathizers and their fellow travelers.
Initially I took it with a grain of salt, but this really does make you wonder about the kind of people that run our country (at least more than it should, anyway).
Ryan Ross
Nah it took some time.
Seljuks had 6 generation of rulers until we properly brought Anatolia under control.
This is meanwhile as Seljuk vassal and General Superhero General Nurettin Zengid BTFO Crusaders and ordered Saladin around.
Between 1071 and 1453 Turks had 2-3 close calls to be BTFO of the area.
Baybars the half Tatar-half Turk saved Turks + Mamluks from Mongols
Nurettin Zengid BTFO Crusader pust into Aleppo and Anatolia
and of course bad ass motherfucker Beyazid Thunderbolt was defeated by Timur in the greatest battle of their time.
After God Boy Mehmet II comes to the scene, everything is ez mode.
True heroes of Ottoman Turks and Seljuks are between 1100 and 1400
Austin Rogers
Yeah, plagues hit the population pretty hard, they're the major reason the population was only 4,000,000 in the Byzantine Empire during the 15th Century
or example, supervised STRUCTURE (K= 3) illustrates a genetic ancestry for the Turks of 45% Middle Eastern (95% CI, 42–49), 40% European (95% CI, 36–44) and 15% Central Asian (95% CI, 13–16), whereas at K= 4 the genetic ancestry of the Turks was 38% European (95% CI, 35–42), 35% Middle Eastern (95% CI, 33–38), 18% South Asian (95% CI, 16–19) and 9% Central Asian (95% CI, 7–11).
No matter how many times its proven Turks come in and roleplay they are Osman and not just some Anatolian farmers that got cucked.
Carson Miller
>arbitrary bullshit graphs and "genetic numbers" meme works
Hey bro, I'm actually a real genetics student.
That swab scientists take from your inner mouth? It's only accurate to + or - 10,000 years.
You can't figure out modern, post ice-age ethnicities by swabbing DNA
Dumbass
Sebastian Rodriguez
Someone just told me that the Syrian civil war and refugee crisis were caused by global warming.
Gabriel Russell
Tell them that the sexual revolution and HIV crisis were caused by the great depression.
Let me remind you that this is not a YRYL (You Rage You Loose) thread, yet if it were one, I'd have to confess that I lost hard, multiple times.
Caleb Rivera
Why don't we make the next one with all the normies stuff?
Sebastian Gomez
We have to petition to make Syria the Bakery/School/Hospital per capita record holder.
Camden Johnson
Likely Iranian. IRGC has a significant base of operations in and around Aleppo, which probably includes an intelligence network. Maybe even Russian - Soviets managed to kill several Western trainers in Pakistan through cross-border raids in the 80s. They probably have an improved intelligence apparatus now. There is little doubt that many local rebels knew who the foreigners were (due to dress, behavior, language, etc) and where they were located. This stuff gets leaked all the time and can be a nightmare.
My guess is that this may have been a retaliation of sorts for airstrikes in DeZ - there was a deal to not strike American targets so long as the US didn't bomb SAA and NDF. Qataris and Saudis may have brought Americans along for protection. Also doubt there were Israelis in the region because of the source - Israelis are Iranians' bogeymen and I doubt that the headchoppers in Aleppo would take kindly to a dozen Jews helping them out.
Then again, I wouldn't be surprised if this was fabricated, considering the sources.
according to sources, SAA is setting up to assault Maarde my taking a hill and serveral strongpoints/checkpoints to the south and east. Is the headchopper offensive in Hama on ice now? I don't think the SAA would stick their head out until they thought it was over. They seem to rather defend and let the """moderates""" bang their head against the wall.
Justin Cruz
No, there may have been intelligence assets. Read about the history of any intelligence agency, they get put in danger's way all the time.
Would rather not speculate until this is confirmed by military officials.
Ryan Price
Eventually you turn numb, my friend.
Juan Butler
No one is going to confirm that they lost operatives on the field. Yet it smells like a nice "whoops" move to retaliate for airstrikes on SAA.
Plausible deniability and a blow to intelligence ops.
Mason Cruz
That I have, yet I emulate the feelings so that I don't appear a total fucking psycho.
Logan Wright
That video has nice production quality.
Benjamin Collins
>tengrism islam
what the fug.
Sebastian Fisher
>Iran recruiters are drowning in volountieers ready to go and fight in Syria
well if you think about it... ottoman empire is the official roman empire so of course ottoman sultans revered it a lot and wanted to re-create it by conquering whole known world :^)
Cooper Rivera
>I doubt that the headchoppers in Aleppo would take kindly to a dozen Jews helping them out Sunnis love jews, literal jews rule over them from Saudi Arabia after all. Also they have had no issues operating alongside al-zinkidinkifinkistein. If they hated jews they would've killed those kikes the moment they set foot in Syria.
Evan Hall
>REGIME
Kayden Thompson
Chew khat, happy Houthi
Lucas Parker
Love the fact that Saudi cucks still can't stand a chance against my bros.
If isis falls then usa would invade Iraq. Because turkroachistan wants mosul so bad. The war is preplanned by the kike lobby.
There will never be peace if these following countries wont be nuked to hell: qatar, saudi arabia, turkroachistan, somalia, and all the geographical places where there are wahabi extremeists.
Landon Sullivan
we dont have wahhabism here. turks have been fighting wahhabism since when it was invented. eurocucks promoted it to weaken ottomans.
Ryder Watson
Any news about those 3000 liberators? IS REALLY HIM, KEK
Eli Ward
dumbass here
I just don't understand, how can government be able to just keep deir ez zur while surrounded by isis? how the fuck can they capably defend it with no ways to get supplies, weapons, food? Even more interesting is that it looks like the borders are just random city blocks, like one street is isis and another is government
how does this work and look like on the ground?
same questions for aleppo
Blake King
Somehow Samatha Powers still looks worse
Parker Gray
Thats explains why >you were supporting isis and other moderate cheap choppers
Hudson Brooks
You're serious, aren't you?
Lucas Brooks
sorry
Mason Parker
Planes
Austin Flores
Don't be, just educate yourself. Read, gather material, pics, vids, articles...
make a picture of your own of the whole thing.
Benjamin Lee
oh yeah maybe I've been playing too much liquor and bureaucrat sim
Ryder Morales
Chinks will offer cheap construction deals and it will be rebuilt in a year. Then Assad will have made lasting friends of both Russia and China.
Blake Perez
there is much more on the plate this time around. murricans seem to think the russians will back off again...
i think centcom still hasn't grasped the paradigm shift in russian policiy towards us encrochement since ukraine.
Kevin Robinson
110%
Landon Rogers
lol economically syria is fucked and will take an age to get back on track
assads enemies has won more or less even if he stays which at least look likely now, the damage done to the country is huge and there will be a simmering insurgency for a long time after an assad win
on the bright side think of all the dead jihadi bitches this has created
Kevin Stewart
no news about the 30 israelie and english intelligence soliders who got rekt yesterday after putin bombed a position where they were with isis for "no apparent reason"?
Is there a butthurt declaration from jews or nato?
Anthony Cox
no news about the 30 israelie and english intelligence soliders who got rekt yesterday after putin bombed a position where they were with isis for "no apparent reason"?
Is there a butthurt declaration from nato?
Connor Carter
kerry rambling about carthago
Jaxson Gray
Let this pic related sink in a little more. If you didnt understand, there is no difference between israeli soldiers and isis pube bearded heap of stench. Infact they are like brothers in arms.
Elijah Lopez
ISIS and Israel were supposed to be mortal enemies... yet little or no reports about clashes come from the part where ISIS borders Israel.
turkey is old school imperialist. erdogan wants power, influence and doesnt care who brings it. erdogan offered support to kurds against isis with condition of fighting assad too.
A picture may be worth a thousand words but only when the provider is trustworthy.
Brandon Ramirez
What's the edition name?
Juan Reed
Jihadi apologists on suicide watch.
Landon Kelly
#saudi_national_day
>Do your worst
Colton Garcia
Aren't there some T*rks who can shitpost to 300?
Samuel Brown
we could act like diaspora for a while.
>> something something Assad must go!
Caleb Sanders
Anyway, now its Istanbul and If we are to talk according to official records, It's got 16.5 million people. Its bigger than some of EU countries. However, there are also unofficial records and daily transitions to consider like Syrian refugees, transit passengers and unregistered population. That makes giant of a city with 20 million people there, bigger than Greece and equal to Bulgaria and Greece combined and its nearly impossible to defeat.
Chase Sanders
Turkey STRONK
Watch out Russia XDDDDDD
Matthew Thomas
SHITPOST YOU FUCKING T*RK
Christopher Howard
based putin. Such a bro.
Brandon Bennett
>41k Troops Waiting at the Turkish Border For Euphrates Storm
William Nelson
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Kevin Brown
u guys better fucking send them in. king bongo gave you thirty days, remember?
