What kind of hate speech laws you guys have? Our politicians are currently planning to make some pretty fucking strict law which pretty much silences all those opposing opinions of this current asylum seeker madness. They are planning to give more funding to police cyber crime unit for this specific purpose only.
They say this law is needed because "hate speech eventually encourages people to use violence againts foreign people" aka arabs/somalis(who have 13 times higher rape rates than native people btw)
So I'm just wondering if it's just our country that has gone batshit crazy or do you guys have similar shit already. I know many of you have some kind of hate speech laws, but are they this strict? And I want to make it clear this law makes it potentially a crime to even say on social media that some somali/arab guy raped someone(even if later on the police confirms it)
We don't have any but our SJWs, niggers, and rednecks are extremely loud and vocal about their stupid views.
Noah Scott
Sadly we have all those too. SJWs are currently the most vocal group wanting these types of laws.
Oliver Anderson
Actually we do. One of the only things that can get you sent to the slammer for saying in America is that we should boycott Israel.
Joshua Kelly
I don't understand how you people could possibly put up with that. It would be so Orwellian and scary to live in a country with thought crime laws
Michael Thompson
Disobey. Point out that it kills democracy.
Juan Wilson
yeah it's pretty fucking sickening how the finnish people on average don't see any problem with the logic "we need to limit freedom of speech and freedom of assembly to increase security". seems like this YHTEISKUNTAJÄRJESTYS (=~ societal order) is considered some sacred value above all else and nobody cares about rights of individuals.
I want out
Asher Clark
I never read Finnish constitution. In Estonia such laws would be unconstitutional and cause massive shitstorm.
Brayden Green
I thought everyone in continental Europe had pretty much the same hate speech laws, even Russia. Differencies come from interpretation.
Matthew Gutierrez
>Point out that it kills democracy. what's the problem? are you a racist? if you're not racist then why do you complain? it only affects racists so it's a good law. you shouldn't be racist. if you're racist it's good that you don't have free speech you fucking racist >implying these people understand fundamental principles sadly "these people" are the vast majority of the population. they don't understand how "free speech that doesn't apply to a minority if the majority deems their opinions harmful to society" isn't free speech at all finnish constitution got entirely rewritten in 2000 or so and says "all people have freedom of speech" but then it pussies out at the end and adds a little "more specific regulations regarding the use of free speech are given by laws" line making the hole thing pointless
Cooper Peterson
Anyone who incites hate to any religion or local race can be arrested and charged with sedition.
Good thing is nigger subhumans not applicable and this rule applies to everyone including the minority
Kayden Reed
This is a cuck country after all.
Dominic Foster
Everyone has this societal order thing, its even in EU treaties and Human Rights Convention
Isaac Reed
In Canada these matters are dealt with by so-called Human Rights Commissions, and these organizations have essentially been given the authority to write the rules as they go along, all based on feelings rather than logic or fact.
Oliver Torres
They also wrote to the constitution that Finland is a member of the EU and basically made it impossible to leave the EU.
Charles Roberts
In america land it's more er less enforced by public opinion. For example, if I wear a MAGA hat in chicago I'll prolly be beaten half to death and people will cheer on the beating. While like in Utah if you are a hippy faggot then people will shun you for being a retard.
In my case I can't speak my opinion on anything political or a gestapo-esque HR team will get me fired and barred from working in the union and generally shit on me
Cameron Wright
yeah I know but here it's like a religion. it's the trump card that wins any argument
Nicholas Sullivan
I think sweden has the most strict hate speech laws in the world, not suprising there.
The artist Dan Park has been jailed several times
William Cook
Don’t you have laws that outlaw support for communism, USSR and denial of occupation by USSR, displaying Nazi or Soviet symbols? You hypocrite.
Jack Brooks
Race realism does not equal racism. Nothing, I repeat - NOTHING should be freed from criticism with laws. Putting someone or some ideology above all with law is totalitarism. Openly accuse them being totalitarian.
We have pre-word in the constitution stating that Estonian state should care for Estonian culture, language and nation to last through ages. Can shut up every multiculturalist here with that.
Regarding to "more specific laws" - they must be based on something. I point out that simply silencing dissent is not enough of a base. It kills democracy.
Aaron Harris
Freedom of speech doesn't really exist in the US anymore either. You have to be very careful about what you say and with linking it to your real name. (((They))) can ruin your life over it if they want - expel you, fire you, make you unemployable, harass you, etc
They don't think businesses should be allowed to refuse service based on sexuality but they think a business should be able to refuse you your Bill of Rights. And when 99% of America is privatized they can essentially prosecute you within the law, Hitler actually mentioned this in one of his speeches.
Josiah Parker
(USER WAS SENT TO TOLERANCE CAMP AND ORDERED TO PAY A £250 FINE)
Gabriel Hill
This is from a government website
Jason Diaz
oh that's just what a racist would say... >Regarding to "more specific laws" - they must be based on something. that's when the "societal order" card comes into play. they increase security. security is good :) differences in opinion can lead to disagreements. disagreements are bad :( the "more specific law" part makes it so any law however limiting can not be unconstitutional because the constitution says such laws are ok :)
Connor Bell
Shit, that's fucked up. Good thing your ancestors knew something like this would happen some day and they wanted to make sure you have guns to protect yourself from the government.
Andrew Rodriguez
go post some bullshit info on the open registration form OP
Joshua Hughes
Is this legit picture?
Jackson Cooper
Preserving societal order does not mean that some ideology or movement or class is outside critique. It is undemocratic and totalitarian to free something from criticism to "preserve social order". This can not be justified in democracy. Do you have democracy in Finland?
Jacob Richardson
What_The_Actual_Fuck
Are they also telling you "You have freedom of speech, but it also means you are accountable for everything you say?"
Brandon Cook
We have democracy in the same way we "have" freedom of speech or free market. In a """"limited form"""" to ensure the well being of the population :)
Joshua Foster
There exists UN declaration that states: every nation has a right to self-determination. This constitutional statement "Finland is a member of EU" can be refuted.
Start discussion in your country that the constitution does not serve the citizens anymore.
Leo Williams
Kek, I remember when Cred Forums first found that months ago
Owen Wright
If there are no disagreements - there is no discussion to start with. They are ass backward in your goverment.
Angel Stewart
Can't even deny the holocaust.
Cooper Hughes
In democracy it is for citizens to decide what is their well-being. Are you servants or is the government there to represent your will?
Mason Williams
>This constitutional statement "Finland is a member of EU" can be refuted. yes but it effectively makes it so that to exit the EU finland has to revise its constitution which is possible but it takes a very large majority of the parliament to vote for it. it requires either >2/3 majority TWICE with a standard parliamentary election in between which take place every 4 years or if deemed "urgent" and decided on with a single vote >a 5/6 majority
yes so everyone agrees and is happy and safe :)
Nolan Phillips
We just need to kill anyone that proposes and/or try to enforce such law.
Caleb Smith
Finfags should remember that any attempt to bar free speech will just bring more people to the darker corners of finnish internet.
Any laws that will pass will just generally get twitter/facebook sheeple busted. What happens on ylilauta will stay on ylilauta, and if Ylilauta gets crowded with kyttäjuttu's we'll possibly migrate to sipulikanava. After that they can't do anything about anything.
Tor was invented to guarantee freedom of speech anyway. Any laws which block freedom of speech will bring more users to tor, and sipulikanava is actually a decent board to use, too.
Also free speech laws will probably never be enforced during public speeches, I for one would be enraged if people would get jailed for saying something offensive in the parliament.
Caleb White
It's legit. Scotland's full of cucked faggots
Alexander Brooks
well that's the problem. this isn't a case of some rogue government going against the population. the majority of people actually want these cuck laws. finnish people trust authority more than probably anywhere else in the world. giving up some freedoms isn't bad when it's the government that controls it. they're the good guys.
Easton Martin
I've never heard of this; I live in Indiana and people talk about deporting niggers back to Africa, rant about Jews, etc. That source also looks pretty spotty.
Isaac Foster
You can't have hatespeech laws when the 2nd amendment exists.
Henry Hill
>the majority of people actually want these cuck laws. untrue.
William Rivera
In brazil, saying raycis things on the internet will get you jailed for more time than armed robbery
John Butler
Yeah, it'll really protect me against the 30 SWAT members that raid my house and turn me and everyone inside to Swiss cheese. You'll just be another story on the 10'o'clock news
David Diaz
So - no more elections are needed in Finland? Everyone agrees and is happy and safe...
Your country is being hijacked, uprising when?
Caleb Gonzalez
but I don't want to bring more people to the darker corners of the internet. I don't want to have to use TOR to voice my opinion. respecting unrestricted freedom of speech should be the norm for the whole population, not some underground movement.
Kevin Rodriguez
Of course you haven't heard about this, you think the media talks about it as much as they do whether or not peanut butter sandwiches are racist?
Do a little research yourself friend, I've looked into it and it is legitimate and on the books. Over 60% of our congress members are Jews anyway, what makes you think a law like this wouldn't exist.
Leo Cooper
>tfw american >tfw I can say what ever I want
Social repercussions are still there but I never had any friends in the first place so I don't give a phuck
Liam Davis
Yes I know but it's still good to keep in mind. I don't want it either but people need to remember that nothing they ever do will actually silence people.
Carson Jackson
It is like it was soviet union - you may express your views only in your kitchen to yourself or close friends.
Jonathan Morgan
Makes you really wonder why they feel the need to prosecute every single person who wants to investigate it further or doubt its legitimacy.
Robert Williams
Actual right-wingers are never going to win elections in this country. True Finns did nothing, we are getting more leftists from now on.
Adrian Diaz
Too bad. I was a few times in Finland. I liked it so far. Love your saunas and the nature. (Was pretty far north).
One thing going for you is your language which isn't too easy to learn and will form your latest line of defense since immigrants most likely won't understand you.
Wait for it until they start bitching how your language prevents them from successful integration. You are already forced to learn swedish. Will be fun when you have to learn arabic.
Dylan Powell
untrue. the majority of people you talk to maybe value free speech but go ask average middle aged people. go ask people who never come to internet boards to discuss societal issues because they just like to work and watch television and go out on the weekends. go ask women who make up over 50% of the population.
the vast majority of finns do not have a problem with the hate speech laws. the people discussing the situation online do but they are not representative of the population.
Luis Wright
We have pretty vague ones that never seem to get used in any sort of comprehensible way.
Like, you can have some guy run around saying "FUCKING KILL ALL NIGGERS!" and he might at best get a caution.
Then some guy posts a video criticizing Jews and he gets three years in jail.
Our REAL problem is that we have some sort of deal with the U.N. whereby if you violate U.N. hate speech laws (which are beyond retarded - literally "upsetting" someone is hate speech) they can sue you for emotional damage etc in court.
Also feminists and the like here abuse "stalking" and "harassment" laws by reporting people who they disagree with online.
Weirdly, we were a hot bed of holocaust denial for many years, because it's not considered wrong here.
Brody Brown
freedom of speech is ok freedom of the press is obsolete
Dylan Ross
i fail to see how this works only retards write shit like this on facebook anyway
Landon Foster
It real. But it's geared towards corporations to prevent them from imposing economic sanctions of their own against Israel . an individual can claim his 1st amendment right and wear a SS uniform and goose step through a Jewish neighborhood if he/she wants .
Owen Hall
I have asked, and my opinion stands. People don't want these cuck laws.
Please keep in mind that I don't live in that disgusting hellhole of a leftist rainbow shitstorm we call Helsinki.
Jaxson Hernandez
Also, the guy that went to jail here for criticizing Jews did so in a video response after he was physically attacked by Jewish men who were ranting about Palestine or some shit.
And his criticism didn't contain ethnic slurs or anything. It was a pretty straightforward condemnation of the religion in the same way Hitchens or Dawkins criticized Islam and Christianity.
Although apparently he was rude and argumentative and difficult in court.
Also, an Aboriginal woman is using the U.N. law to sue three students at a University after one of them complained about being ejected from a computer lab because he wasn't black, and the black students didn't want a white person around. He said he felt like had been discriminated against. Two students liked his post on facebook. So the teacher who threw them out sued all three.
Adrian Price
>tfw my suburb officially boycotted Israel and the one Jewish family moved
Dylan Lewis
The majority silencing the minority... where is the logic? Majority does not need to silence anything until it wants to get rid of opposition and this is no more a democracy.
Nolan Harris
yes, our speech laws are basically "what we feel is offensive on a particular day, is illegal today"
i literally stop myself from posting something as innocuous as "i don't like chinese food" on social media, because if one person takes offence, i will be on the front page of the Daily Mail
Easton Gutierrez
what's logic? if we'd go with logic there wouldn't be a single sandnigger here
Hunter Jenkins
your tiny bönde town hardly matters when everyone gets a vote and most people do live in large cities.
the biggest problem with the general population is that they simply do not care enough to be bothered.
Ethan Torres
So it's not a federal or state law but left in the hands of specific companies? That sounds alright to me; however, I do believe in a free market system that allows businesses to refuse service to anyone they want and to hire/fire anyone they want without Obama's dick in their ear.
Joshua Diaz
America's days for free speech are numbered. Just take a look at college campuses.
Go take a listen to Hillary's campaign and you will hear hints at this - "hateful dangerous rhetoric" etc etc. If not Hillary who does it, probably the President after Trump.
Nathan Campbell
>That third pane
It'll be interesting to see which mental gymnastics weedman uses for this law when his "refugees" start demanding that the maple infidels should be murdered.
Daniel Phillips
If you abandon logic the door is open for you to go mad. Just step into the room where there is no causality.
Dylan Parker
Exactly. We have a good chunk of red-pilled people here. Every comment section online is full of them. But the sheer amount of retarded old people who just vote and know nothing is too much.
Colton Bell
>your tiny bönde town hardly matters Mhm kay. So you're basing your opinion on "the people's will" only on those who agree with you. Keep in mind that Helsinki hippies don't vote as much and even though it is a large majority of people there, 80% of people live outside of Helsinki.
I knew I was talking to a self-centered Helsinki cuck when you said that the people want cuck laws. They don't, only you faggy Helsinki schoolmates want them.
Hunter Ramirez
>triggered bönde 85% of the population lives in urban areas. most of those in or around large cities. that's why your little town in bumfuck nowhere doesn't matter, because of the raw numbers. not because of what I think about your opinion.
Camden Diaz
Yeah nah
Jason Wright
>thinks I live in a little town because I don't live in Helsinki. You entitled little shit, kill yourself and do a favor to the rest of finns. Take a few of your friends with you while you're at it, fucking cuck.
Robert Long
>implying those 85% are comparable to helsinki nt
Nicholas Morales
So let them do it then. This is pretty funny because left wingers support this law with the same mindset: "Hey it doesn't affect me, so I'm okay with it" True, it doesn't affect you immediately, but in the future the government can use this same law againts you if they suddenly decide "hate speech" also means criticising the government.
Samuel Fisher
>Daniel Jackson
The Ancients were Jews.
John Parker
>Also, an Aboriginal woman is using the U.N. law to sue three students at a University after one of them complained about being ejected from a computer lab because he wasn't black, and the black students didn't want a white person around. He said he felt like had been discriminated against. Two students liked his post on facebook. So the teacher who threw them out sued all three. what the fuck?
Jackson Gray
Estonian faggot keeps ignoring my post. I just want to point out if I come to Estonia and say that it should’ve stayed part of Russia I can be fined or imprisoned.
Alexander Ortiz
No, we do not have such a law that forbids displaying of those symbols. If we had law that outlaws support for communism we could effectively fight leftist scum - we do not have such law.
You confuse us with Latvia.
Hunter Sanchez
No Western country is fully protected from hate speech laws. They will come eventually if not guarded against.
Michael Diaz
>What kind of hate speech laws you guys have? The greatest!
>Volksverhetzung § 130 >Whosoever, in a manner capable of disturbing the public peace:
>incites hatred against a national, racial, religious group or a group defined by their ethnic origins, against segments of the population or individuals because of their belonging to one of the aforementioned groups or segments of the population or calls for violent or arbitrary measures against them;
>or assaults the human dignity of others by insulting, maliciously maligning an aforementioned group, segments of the population or individuals because of their belonging to one of the aforementioned groups or segments of the population, or defaming segments of the population,
>shall be liable to imprisonment from three months to five years
They changed the § 130 in 2015. Before the change you only got into trouble, if you incited hate onto a whole specific group of the population. Now it's enough if you insult one single fag with words or drawings.
>He's black >VOLKSVERHETZUNG!
Since everything is considered racist in Germany, you pretty much are doomed. It's impossible to not get the leftwing SS onto your ass.
Danke, Merkel.
Austin Martinez
No, you will be not fined. You can get beaten up or ridiculed but not fined.
Anthony Scott
Sorry then, must’ve confused with Latvia. Wow, opinion of Estonia much improved!
Chase Lewis
Latvia banned hijabs-burkas too. In Estonia there was an open discussion and we decided it is wrong to ban fashion.
Leo Bell
Is Latvia like a third stupid brother of the Baltic states family?
Lucas Young
I have an urge now to drive into Latvia with sickle and hammer and swastika both drawn onto mu cars hood with birdshit.
Just to test their mindset.
Mason Morgan
In the 90s a bunch of Somali gangs went around swarming people, and everyone was talking about getting swarmed in the city.
In response, a bunch of white people went around and caught these fuckers when they were alone for a change, at bus stops and on the street, and beat the fuck out of them with bats.
In response to that, the government made laws protecting somalis rights to swarm white people, known as hate speech laws, and we also outlawed the truth.
Thanks Somali immigrants, clearly were better off with you than we would be without you. Diversity is our strength! No more white people on our streets! This isnt a white country!
Dominic Wright
Idk, we are all different countries. We strongly believe in freedom of expression here. Everything should be debated and open for critique, otherwise we can not survive in this world.
Jonathan Hall
JUST DON'T GET CAUGHT
Nolan Peterson
you sound rustled. maybe drink some koskenkorva to ease your troubles, pekka. that's what they do in that part of the country any time they face struggles, right?
Evan Ward
>all these devious jewishly written laws communism is alive in the west
praise comrade stalin
Henry Collins
>that's what they do in that part of the country any time they face struggles, right? Yes. What do you drink, somali cum?
Jayden Nguyen
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― Charles Dickens, Oliver Twist
Jose Phillips
I drink water because I'm not a degenerate alcoholic whose boipussi is ravaged at the thought of having to share his government aid with niggers
Jordan Clark
This.
Jackson Richardson
WTF? up to 5 years sentence for "insulting" someone?
Julian Cox
>king nigger about to sell ICANN to the middle east and china >internet will be censored at that level soon I guess technically we didn't do it.
Colton Cooper
If you post you dont like Syrian refugees once online, in the heat of the moment, its okay.
If you post it twice, they will freeze your bank assets, fine you, arrest you, take your house - and put your kids into foster care.
In a country where saying you dont like violent immigrants ends up with your kids being taken away, and your home being taken away, the government should be rounded up and slaughtered in the streets.
Thats one of the most oppressive regimes to ever exist, in Germany, today.
Thats also genocide, to move peoples kids away like that based on political belief. Its a form of genocide recognized by the UN, and again, death is the punishment.
Henry Richardson
Can not be enforced. Insult forms in the head of insulted.
Jason Wright
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Joshua Reyes
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Michael Fisher
I guess I'll have to present this when a german gives me the >60% white stat to invalidate my argument.
It's a Western pandemic, and white people should stick together on Cred Forums instead of bicker about who is degenerating the fastest.
Sebastian Davis
They tried to silence AfD with that and got BTFO in Germany.
Ryder Reed
so you're a cuck. Got it. Enjoy having your sister raped by niggers in your Helsinki bubble.
Dylan Anderson
From where does government (whatever it is) get this "aid" to begin with?
Austin Stewart
Tax payers from large urban centers. Around 90% of the land mass in Finland runs on a deficit. The companies and educated workers in cities pay more taxes than get used in cities to run government programs in the rural areas.
Not only do we have national taxes that are used in an over-represented manner in the countryside there's also an "equalisation" of municipal level taxation meaning hillbillies even get a cut of the local taxes you pay because they can't keep up.
Noah Harris
thought control and authoritarianism, the trademark of the Marxist terrorist
Owen Nguyen
>got BTFO
Clearly not hard enough.
Merkel is not only still breathing, but leading too.
Nathan Fisher
America's freedom of speech is pretty great for everything but child porn.
Levi Allen
Do somalis pay taxes or are they net loss?
Kayden Cook
BTFO as they could not ban AfD. It is what they tried.
Luke Turner
net loss absolutely. I can't remember the figures off the top of my head but of these recent immigrants the amount that actually got employed is barely in the hundreds.
Thomas James
So cut the welfare.
Jason Reyes
What is the problem? I thought pol/ loves censorship looking how user applauds it in Russia every time. Censorship is new a freedom.
Dominic Ward
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Dominic Lopez
well to be fair we are working on a total overhaul of the welfare system so something is being done but the welfare system and the justification for it is rooted deep into finnish culture long before niggers even knew this place existed. I don't like it but the idea that everyone must be secured a "decent" quality of life is very popular. and what "decent" or "acceptable" means in this context has gotten out of hand even before all these nignogs showed up. poor people seem to think they're entitled to the same quality of life as a working man just because they breathe and have "human rights".
Julian Ortiz
This.
Ryan Green
If censorship is to be employed, it should benefit the people who are native to the country.
We are for the censorship and criminalization of communist ideals, not "hate speech" laws.
Islamic based faiths besides maybe the most passive like Sufis should be banned as they are doctrines of murder, rape, sex slavery, torture, forced conversion, beheading etc etc
Ryan Sanders
Last year in my city police served a no knock warrant on a drug dealer at 3am problem was they had the wrong address and the the homeowner defended his home against what he thought was home invaders he shot and seriously wounded a police officer they tried to prosecute him but a jury basically said no no no and he was acquitted of all charges and the city was on the hook for damages to the home. because we have statue protected castle doctrine i can defend my home with deadly force against any and all
Andrew Johnson
>We are for the censorship and criminalization of communist ideals, not "hate speech" laws. Good. >2. The propaganda or agitation instigating social, racial, national or religious hatred and strife shall not be allowed. The propaganda of social, racial, national, religious or linguistic supremacy shall be banned.
Gabriel Mitchell
I do not applaud censorship in Russia. On the other hand I will laugh my ass of when censorship is introduced in Estonia against our will and those who fled Russian censorship and ended here will be in total confusion who is good and who is bad. They will side with us in our fight for freedom and freedom of speech eventually against the "new western values".
Ayden Bell
this pro russian propaganda is out of control on this board. russians are subhumans and not white. throughout their history russians have only slaughtered whites. russians are pale niggers who's only relevancy was stealing german technology and kidnapping their scientists
Lincoln Powell
*off
To add - every rope has two ends.
Christian Richardson
>I do not applaud censorship in Russia. Estonia was mistake. Soon Cred Forums would applaud thunderously as we liberate you from kike grip.
Nolan Scott
> train terrorists > get killed > your cousin whines about it on the Elbonian rope knotting board
Priceless.
Blake Fisher
Nothing like that is illegal... Yet.
But after that druggie leftist fuck died all the media went all out over his death and around 30k leftists signed the thing to make all speech that they don't like illegal.
It's kind of depressing and also hilarious how sick the people leading us are. A man is robbed and murdered for no reason by niggers, nobody cares. A druggie falls over and dies a week later and the entire media goes all out.
Carter Johnson
>The propaganda of social, racial, national, religious or linguistic supremacy shall be banned.
A means to prevent the country from falling apart.
Justification to go after muslims who claim they shouldnt be part of Russia. Arrest the terrorists before they start shooting.
>The propaganda or agitation instigating social, racial, national or religious hatred and strife shall not be allowed
Pretty much the same thing, Id expect a lot more cooperation with China, North Korea, South Korea etc in the future, Ukrainians bitching about Crimea etc.
Can you show me one example of an ethnic Russian being persecuted for his opinions on foreigners under said law?
I can show you a recent story of a man who shot the police through his front door and was then burned alive in his basement after he said something about jews they didnt like online.
Parker Scott
Truth is hate speech if it hurt minorities feefee. t. Canada
Sebastian Morris
It might happen so that we liberate ourselves and kick the door open for others too. There are sacrifices to made that need planning ahead.
Aiden Garcia
>A means to prevent the country from falling apart. I am totally agree with you. Unlimited free speech was US mistake. No one needs free speech. Good thing is our Constitution limits our free speech. Every country should have such laws.
Carter Martinez
You should see the percentages of young people that support hate speech laws being made. We're just like Europe but slightly father back.
Shit I just went to a public debate about "hate speech" laws and it was in essence limp wristed teenage liberals arguing with young adult and middle aged army men and veterans.
Samuel Young
The druggie got BTFO on the viewfield of many cameras and this leftist BS will not fly without backfiring in mysterious ways.
Stay mad and do your homework.
Aaron Jones
Kill your politicians before they do this shit.
I'm serious. Silencing free speech is a violation of human rights. Those responsible deserve death.
Benjamin Davis
I feel like youre being sarcastic but I actually agree that free speech is a detriment - it allows foreign powers to control the will of the population, especially if you allow jews and non-native people to buy all your media and control the narrative, and participate in government and lobbying etc.
Free speech is good, but it should be regulated to protect from forced ideological change, especially if its to a harmful ideology.
How does that quote go? "Youve got a republic, if you can keep it"?
Well America has proven they couldnt, especially when they eventually pass those gun grabbing laws - they havent gone through so much trouble making it such a big problem just to NOT pass something, I assure you, they will take the guns.
Kayden Williams
You have Constitution problem it is antiquated and completely outdated document comparing to modern ones. But changing Constitution is very problematic processes it drags your country down in 21st century, you can't keep up with progress.
Oliver Murphy
I have a feeling this will come if Hillary wins. She'll say shit like "the right to free speech allows the people to criticise the government without fear of prosecution but it does not give people to right to preach hate and fear to those of minority groups". Since every millenial snowflake these days is a demi-queer, trans-nigger, fairykin, all opposing opinions and ideologies will get sensored by SJW's more and more.
Connor Nelson
>but I actually agree that free speech is a detriment - it allows foreign powers to control the will of the population, especially if you allow jews and non-native people to buy all your media and control the narrative, and participate in government and lobbying etc. This. Free speech is slavery.
Kevin Lewis
Canada arrested and interned in prison camps all its Japanese citizens in ww2, and even the leaders of official parties like the communist party.
We simply threw them in prison for an ideology that was completely legal at one point.
All of the laws in Canada have "reasonable limits" on them - and what is reasonable is up for interpretation.
We can pass whatever laws we want in the end. We could pass a law saying that Autistic people are too much of a burden on society, and their right to life cant reasonably be expected to hinder the rest of us so harshly, so they are to be terminated upon diagnoses.
Its completely within our legal framework to do that.
Easton Fisher
Since when are personal freedoms outdated?
> it is current year and becoming slave is the new norm
Ethan Turner
>Its completely within our legal framework to do that. Good think that you are with us here unlike US. >muh bill of rights!
Charles Green
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Justin Harris
Foreign informational influence with propaganda is an act of war desu. Words are fought with words.
Brayden James
Your rights end where other citizen rights start. Freedom should take into account that your actions affects others. Of course this concept was to difficult to understand in 18th century, society, science and technology were underdeveloped then. But now we understand that freedom is much more complex concept and uncontrolled actions of one citizen can bring hurt on the entire planet.
Luke Cook
I hope you're doing an impression here.
Caleb Wright
>free speech is a problem >because Jews can undermine free speech >so we should not have free speech to begin with You are so fucking stupid
Angel Martin
There might be laws like that im not sure but if you say something like that you will be fine unless you are some politician or a famous person. Half the fucking country is russians and half of those russians support ussr. I talked racist shit all the time in my school even when my teachers could hear it and they just laughed.
Cameron Hernandez
>Your rights end where other citizen rights start. Freedom should take into account that your actions affects others. What in US constitution contradicts it?
Julian Butler
There is no USSR anymore my southern neighbor.
Levi Cooper
They wish there was
Ryan Bailey
I do not think so.
Zachary Turner
Not an argument, I outlined the problem, I offered solutions if you read beyond 1 post.
People of foreign ethnicity should be denied full citizenship. People without full citizenship should be denied the right to own media, communist "open borders" and radical feminist based opinions, anti-family opinions etc should all be banned.
Homosexuals should be marginalized and kept in the shadows, out of sight. You can stick your dick in someones ass if you want, but we should also offer hormonal and psychological treatment programs etc.
Jews shouldnt be buying our politicians, nor should they be able to participate in government, nor should Algerians, or Egyptians, or Kenyans etc.
Free speech should be regulated, especially for those who aren't of European ancestry.
Cameron Bennett
Go to riga in 9th of may you will see
Oliver Gomez
It lack articles like 29.2 or 55.3 of Russian Constitution which bring that part into effect: >Freedom should take into account that your actions affects others.
Levi King
Come to Tallinn in 9th of may and you will see humans remembering their history. Remembering your history is never a bad thing.
Carter Rogers
>your own argument isn't an argument Any infringement of free speech is a slippery slope. America is different because it allows citizens free dialogue and the necessary violence to defend it. These are founding ideologies of our nation, if you want to be a cucked retard keep it to yourself.
James King
>humans As opposed to?
Jacob Evans
We should be doing what South Africa is doing to their white members of society. If its justified there, its justified here.
Regardless of who decided to water down our native populations with non native non white peoples from around the world, we have been robbed of our ability to control our own destiny by a foreign people being important.
If the white population of South Africa simply opened the borders to all European countries and paid them to come, until they were the majority and blacks vote wouldnt matter (even though they had none at the time) - it would be seen as an atrocity, and a genocide.
This is the exact same thing but in reverse.
Importing endless streams of non white immigrants is genocide, and we need some pretty drastic laws to reverse the effects.
Jose Brown
You outlawed slander, and libel.
You outlawed shouting fire in a crowded theater, and anything similar.
Thats just trolling.
You outlawed a form of trolling, scaring people into running out of a theater.
Well on the basis of national security, foreign people should be blocked with strict laws, and the native population should be sheltered from foreign powers who would seek to harm the country.
Christian Gutierrez
Didnt know remembering history meant going to a park with children and thousands of other russians, getting drunk and leaving a mess
Charles Barnes
Would you be so nice and throw me the link to your constitution. Russian is fine, I am fluent in it but lack the Russian keyboard and doing search without it is bit pain.
My next keyboard will have the keys duplicated, it is stupid from me to not communicate in language I know in todays globalizing world : |
Jonathan Butler
>We should be doing what South Africa is doing to their white members of society Could agree more. White supremacy is still a problem in 21st century.
Daniel Jackson
drones
Carter Gomez
Fine them for littering if they do not clean afterwards.
Adrian Perry
Promoting communism is a form of promoting the overthrow of the US government and its legal system, it could be banned on that basis.
Carson Myers
Thank you, this is exactly the word.
John Ward
Ha, funny guy.
Obviously in reverse, to the non white population who are now so numerous they simply decide and our vote is nearly - if not - meaningless.
That needs to be reversed and we are as justified in doing it as the black population were taking back their vote, and putting in the ANC for like 30 years.
>We support and protect your right to say whatever you want >Also, dissenters will be terminated
Jonathan Myers
Some of then get fined for using alcohol in public places and stuff but there is not enuff police to fine them all. I bet there is like 50k of them there every year
Josiah Smith
Nope, just lazy :)
Thank you.
Eli James
american here. we actually have free speech, which means hate speech laws do not exist.
David Carter
>hate speech laws protecting race, ethnicity, nation and religion >laws against insulting religious feelings without any definition of what constitutes these; basically one person who feels insulted is enough to prosecute >laws against defamation of head of state >laws against Holocaust denial and ascribing Nazi crimes to Polish people ("Polish death camps" pseudo-controversy) >laws against promoting Nazism, fascism and communism (practically unenforced, but still)
Burgers don't even know how lucky they are to have their First Amendment.
Jordan James
I'm not sure if we have any laws to that effect, but our society is completely cucked. A few months back, there was a fight at the exit of pub between two girls. Everything normal here, except that one was black and the white one called her the local equivalent of "fucking nigger" and from then it was blown out of proportion in the media as racism and IIRC the white was charged (no prison, luckily). Oh, and there was the intention of controlling Facebook comments a while back, I'll have to check how it progressed. It is funny, even if also sad, that in an attempt to avoid using "nigger", SJW adopted the term "Afro-descendant" and tried to impose it on the population as a whole. Similar issues are sexism and gender identity.
tl;dr: It's not just you, this is something global.
John Wright
>to the non white population Instigation of racial hatred. Everyone has rights independent of the skin color. This is law. I guess you are the one of them Hitler lovers.
Eli Wood
Skin isnt a race.
Benjamin King
Also, Hitler objectively did nothing wrong.
Jason Long
indianafag here can confirm
Henry Hughes
Actually, I'm pretty sure a prominent holocaust denier was barred entry to the country. Can't remember his name though.
Either way, if someone was to prosecute they would justify it as hate speech.
Nolan Flores
You should declare it a festival (allowed to drink) then and the organizers should be responsible (in addition to those who commit something illegal) if there is littering or breaking of the law. There are civil ways.
Colton Morris
Fuck, I'm going to Glasgow in a few months to study
Matthew Ortiz
Pakis galore, and if you dont like it, keep it to yourself or youl probably get bottled.
Pretty much a hell hole.
Sebastian Murphy
29.2. He дoпycкaютcя пpoпaгaндa или aгитaция, вoзбyждaющиe coциaльнyю, pacoвyю, нaциoнaльнyю или peлигиoзнyю нeнaвиcть и вpaждy. Зaпpeщaeтcя пpoпaгaндa coциaльнoгo, pacoвoгo, нaциoнaльнoгo, peлигиoзнoгo или языкoвoгo пpeвocхoдcтвa.
There is difference in propaganda and criticism. Pointing to flaws is not propaganda.
Parker Rivera
>just trolling People can get hurt in a stampede in a dark crowded room, but this is just a tangent.
Any infringement offers a foot in the door from which more is pushed. There have been many failed bills, like the one trying to outlaw climate change denial, trying to ride on the coattail of these (can harm business finances, personal well being). Doesn't mean we throw the entire idea out the door.
Because there are amendments, doesn't make free speech any less a founding ideology, nor any less a goal to strive towards. Like with the second amendment, libtards are always trying to shoehorn in more regulations instead of fixing the source of the issue.
Luis Gonzalez
Mentioning that a part of the population is (not) a certain race does not constitute racial hatred. Maybe it works the other way in Russia, but it is correct, even if non-PC, to say that black people ar more likely to be poor than white people.
William Roberts
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Noah Rivera
55.3. Пpaвa и cвoбoды чeлoвeкa и гpaждaнинa мoгyт быть oгpaничeны фeдepaльным зaкoнoм тoлькo в тoй мepe, в кaкoй этo нeoбхoдимo в цeлях зaщиты ocнoв кoнcтитyциoннoгo cтpoя, нpaвcтвeннocти, здopoвья, пpaв и зaкoнных интepecoв дpyгих лиц, oбecпeчeния oбopoны cтpaны и бeзoпacнocти гocyдapcтвa.
Do you have morality defined in Russia?
Everything in this point should be footed with evidence not just empty words.