AfD hit record poll numbers

great, another (((neoliberal))) party which will further lead us down the path that created protest parties all over the west in the first place

just wait for the next terrosist enrichment

just look at the drop of tourist for Oktoberfest, they know that something is coming ...

The German parties are so fucked in the head they would all band together and form a coalition government just to get 1 vote above 50%. Germany is pretty much lost lest a civil war breaks out.

So 80% or so of the German people want their nation and race to be extinguished. Fuck sakes.

Refugee crisis aside, Germany is a cuck country that will continue to give away free money to foreigners and shitty countries (Greece) until were a real shithole.

They have around 42-43% now, so no way, especially if the SPD continues to fall even further.
It wasn't even an apology, it was an insult.

Now that's a smug Petry

>just wait for the next terrosist enrichment

one just avoided. rapefugee was receiving instructions on making a nail bomb to place in a trashcan, via a mosque
n-tv.de/politik/Syrer-sollte-Bombe-in-Muelleimer-platzieren-article18710036.html

So then Union-SPD-Grüne. Worse than current coalition.

>just look at the drop of tourist for Oktoberfest
I'd argue that 99% of the people are glad that less people are at the Oktoberfest.

Is that even legal? A three way party?

Would be very unstable and generate a lot of dissatisfaction. But imagine a world where only 2 possible coaliations are possible: Either CDU/SPD/FDP or CDU/SPD/Grüne. Eventually, they will even have to involve even more parties just to keep the AfD out.

>It wasn't even an apology, it was an insult.

I suppose the media was trying to help her and themselves with their spin but her remarks are quite sinister.

Why wouldn't it?
If that should happen the CDU would lose even more conservative points and voters

CDU has to keep three parties out: Greens, Social Democrats and the Left.

However, there might be a CDU-Green alliance creeping up.

Union-SPD-FDP is more likely

but as it stands now Union-SPD will continue to rule. I'd say thats the most likely outcome for 2017

>People don't want CETA and TTIP
>Try to push it through anyway
>People don't want to save the banks
>Save them anyway
>People don't want to get spied on by the US
>Do nothing about it
>People don't want to take in millions of rapefugees
>Take them in anyway

Gee, I wonder why SPD and Union are losing voters.

I think the migrant crisis might just have been the thing that finally started to wake my fellow Germans up. It's still not enough, but it's a start.

>There will actually be people on this planet that won't live through aristrocracy

feels good

>CDU/SPD/FDP
That one is far more acceptable for the average CDU voter than a coalition with the greens.

And neither side wants to continue that coalition because the only result will be losing even more voters.
It's ingenious

it is.
imo Grüne are more dangerous than Die Linke.

CDU + Grüne consolidate about 44-45% of all votes, so probably not going to happen. Merkel's only chance is a Grand Coaliation or a three way coaliation right now, otherwise she will be forced into one with the AfD.
It really depends on how well the CDU and SPD do. The CDU has been generally underperforming by a pretty large margin while the SPD performs better than predicted. They just need to fall below 47%.
The FDP is yet another cuck party that will listen to all of Merkel's demands while sucking her vagina fluids out of her pussy.

>CDU + Grüne consolidate about 44-45% of all votes, so probably not going to happen.
It's also not going to happen because Seehofer will do everything to avoid losing the absolute majority in Bayern

>implying Merkels masterplan wasnt Union/Greens for next election

The average (especially remaining) CDU voter is either a massive cuck or a dumb fuck that will vote for them no matter what, CDU voters knew that the FDP might die last election and didnt stop it.
An FDP that barely scratched the 5% couldnt do shit in a coalitian with Union and SPD anyway.

Fearmongerers like the AFD will never get anywhere. Fuck you Nazis diversity rocks :)

>I have no clue what voter inertia is.
Also FDP fucked up so massively in that period they deserved to get voted out

He can't do anything about that right now. Either he complies with Merkel and loses votes to the AfD (very likely scenario) or he opposes her, runs independently and loses the absolute majority because the CDU comes to Bavaria (unlikely). The latter scenario has one advantage though, namely that the AfD will ally themselves with him and push through anything he wants in the Landtag.

Your government will just do what the swedes government did when SD got too high if it gets too much backing.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2014_Swedish_government_crisis

Rewrite the rules so a minority government can govern.

Don't ever lie to yourself and say there's a breaking point for your countrymen.
The breaking point is always a chain set in motion by one crazy.
If your sitting around daydreaming about it, you're not that crazy.

Seehofer is opposition actor.
If he really ment what he says he wouldve broken up with CDU long time ago and secured Bavarias borders - if Merkel can break the law, Bavaria could do the same.
He also didnt sue against Merkels policy after months of talking about it - just so retards will continue saying "b-but Seehofer will keep Merkel from fucking up further guys!!111"

>You've got nothing to lose from it though.

both parties in power are our "conservative" ones.

>CHRISTIAN Democratic Party
>"Accept more Muslims, goy!"

How could they have gone down the shitter so fast?

Bluhe Deutsche vaterland!

>84% not voting AfD
>talking about parties deserving to get voted out unironically

Too bad Merkel is a giant autist and didn't realize that by going to the left, she abandoned right-wing voters who turned to the AfD. Now she doesn't have enough votes to form a government with the Greens and probably won't for as long as she's alive.

>www.wahlrecht.de/umfragen/

There you can see polls from different agencies

The people providing entertainment definitely aren't.
They are already begging that every reservation should include an additional 10€ that has to be spent at their stands.

The organizers won't be either because this means a massive drop in revenue and thus profits.

The next elections are gonna be interesting, either way. There are no obvious options. Another Grand Coalition is almost guaranteed to damage both CDU and SPD.

Yeah sure, CETA-approving SPD aka "Wer hat das Volk verraten" is so social-democratic and totally not neoliberal.

Im sure the millions of refugees will be allowed to vote as part of "integration" one day and thank Merkel for the free money by voting for her.

>not voting AfD into Bundestag
>rather voting for SPD+CDU coalition

All parties, with the exception of Linke, are neoliberal to a certain extent.

Can't say I care too much about the opinion of people who charge 15 euro for piss water sold as beer to be honest

Would an alliance FDP + CSU (bavaria) + AFD work? Would likely put them at around 35% or more

hahahah this girl is like

hey what are ya gonna do

68% aren't voting for Merkel. 78% aren't voting for the SPD. 88% (kek) aren't voting for the Greens. And 92% totally oppose the Linkspartei.
Don't kid yourself, they'll all be voting Green.
Go back to America, Mr Cruz, you and your True Conservatism isn't welcome here.

>neoliberal

So we will have a CDU, SPD and AfD coalition? :>
Neoliberal is such a stupid catchphrase

focus.de/regional/muenchen/oktoberfest/oktoberfest-2016-schausteller-chef-richtet-dramatischen-appell-an-alle-wiesn-besucher_id_5969934.html
>Einige Schausteller sind schon in Psychologischer Behandlung
>yeah, they are doing fine with going bankrupt

Honestly, the most sensible coalition is very obvious. When you exclude the 4% that will be cast for parties that don't make it into the parliament according to that poll, CDU/CSU/AfD has 50%.
All it would need is a tiny shift to provide the (officially) political right of Germany with the absolute majority.

But instead they will go for some pants on head retarded shit because they hate the AfD so so fucking much.

>indirectly voting for meme red+black+lefty coalition
>voting AfD

go back to facebook and come back when you're old enough to vote.

This is a very real possibility. We already have parties fighting for immigrant votes, since they constitute an ever-growing part of the population.

With rougly 45% needed, this is no real possibility. Also, the CSU is the party that fears the AfD most, since they stand roughly where the CSU stood some decades ago.

Me neither, just pointing out that the massive drop in visitors is a huge problem for the event and if they don't get their shit together they'll be in trouble.

Technically, as long as the CSU splits itself from the CDU (which will never happen).

well as far as I can see it there is only resistence in East Germany, maybe you deserve to be a nationwide Marxloh (Detroit of Germany)

Most people on Cred Forums are 20+ you fucktard. The AfD is the only party which can force Merkel to resign from her party or at the very least prevent a new government to form, which would at least stop them from doing new fuckups.

I don't give a fuck, if it isn't RED+BLACK, it will be RED+BLACK+GREEN.
The SPD will never form a coalition with Die Linke and vice verse (if you think so, you are obviously the teenage facebook boy),

The only difference is, that we will reestablish pluralism when FDP & AfD are in the bundestag.

Shame the Linke only comes in a bundle with a complete erasure of the German identity.

>Frauke Petry will never Anschluss your face with her powerful Germanic thighs

why even live

implying they get above 5%
implying they are a liberal party and not just another social democratic cuck party...

"Kostenlose Kitaplätze"
Wahlkampfspruch in M-V

>promising free shit
>being liberal
choose one

It's almost tragic, the CDU used to be good

I really dont want to learn another language, but if Germany keeps on like this...

Doubt it. That stunt would cost her way more votes than it could ever possibly win her.
Especially considering that she isn't even promising them the most gibs, the Greens would be a way better choice for them.

>Most people on Cred Forums are 20+ you fucktard.

PRAISE KEK XDD^^ etc etc

Eastern Germany has always been "more German" than others.
That's why Luther was so successful in the East, he addressed their German identity.

Maybe the whole East is in a big identity crisis since centuries, because they are assimliated Slavs.

quality post

SPD is not conservative you mogrel and even the CDU is more liberal than the US democrats. We just have shit parties when it comes to conservatism, the AfD is no different. Yet they open up the public debate for new views (or rather more conservative) that people need to talk about.

Especially in the last 10 month people actually started to have political debates in informing themselves because a new party is rising when before, people barely didn't give a shit. The AfD is just needed to push the pendulum to the right (and it works, even if they are not elected into power), while all parties are still rather shit.

Only hope would be if the AfD learns a few things in the next 4 years from sitting in opposition so that they might become a party that can be voted due to their program and not because all the other parties are worse.

for the Queen, bongfriend. for the Queen.

They will just blame Seehofer and the AfD for being so racist that they turned away the tourists. Literally nothing will change, even if people lose their jobs.
The FDP is a meme party with no-name candidates and a shitty plan that says "fuck the poor xd".
That's the Trump general and it doesn't mean that they aren't adults, it just means they are autists.

The problem is that the CSU will never go against the CDU under its current leadership so it is completely irrelevant if that might be a possible coalition.

>neoliberal
That's a leftist fantasy term like racist or rechtspopulistisch.

Well, yeah. But given how even a Conservative chancellor had little to say against a million Africans and Arabs, CDU has not done much to keep Germany German either.

>when you realise Hitler was right and that Poland is entirely German clay

Whoever still votes CDU is obviously fine with giving refugees all our money, how many votes can she lose?
And Merkels masterplan IS Union + Green, so refugees voting for either is in her interest.Greens would still be smaller than the SPD is now, even if a few percent more from refugees.

All parties - without exception - try to appeal as family-friendly here.

shut da fuck up oldfag

The CDU is always been the Kanzlerpartei who focuses on one single politician.
It was only a matter of time till they focused on one that would completely fuck it up and ruin the party.

>The SPD will never form a coalition with Die Linke and vice verse (if you think so, you are obviously the teenage facebook boy)

can you explain why this is?
t.German politics novice

even CDU has left door ajar for AfD
welt.de/politik/deutschland/article158309247/CDU-Bundestagsmitglied-denkt-ueber-AfD-Koalition-nach.html

>The FDP is a meme party with no-name candidates

As opposed to which parties?

Oh my, how stupid you are here. This is not an issue of one party, but of a culture and decades, or centuries of errors. A 4-year government doesn't get to fix problems that have been piling up for centuries and that's the situation of Western Europe, including Germany. What can save the Germans now are probably only christian communities, like in ancient Rome. Without them Germany is just a bunch of prostitutes, alcoholics, filth and decay

We had polls a few days ago that showed general anti-refugee/immigration sentiments to be equally spread over the East and West.
The main difference is that the West has more to lose (for now), so people are less likely to speak up.

But it's not like it will stay like that for much longer if they don't change their policies soon.

implying Ölauge Süddeutscher und Cuck Friese/Norddeutscher sind deutsch
kek

I'm pretty sure we are hitting the 25+ age bracket

Cred Forums was the new hot site along time ago

Dude the other parties openly insult/ slander AfD. The only way AfD is every going to get even a scrap of power is if they get a large portion of the vote, like 30+% and I just can't see that happening given how cucked Germans are.

>Whoever still votes CDU is obviously fine with giving refugees all our money
Haha, no. They are just completely fucking delusional and think that Merkel is a good politician apart from this one topic and that she will eventually see the error in her ways.

Every CDU voter I talked to is a delusional idiot who is trying to deny the obvious, just because he has always voted CDU

That look right before you put your hands through her hair

in 4 years the AfD will be completely meaningless because Merkel & the media will just jump onto the next crisis and render the AfD completely unecessary

current politics = waiting for more fucked up shit that will divert attention from the current shit.

The Grüne has Kretschmann. The SPD has Steinmeier. The CDU has Merkel (still loved by many old fucks who don't give a damn). The Linke has Wagenknecht and the AfD has ebine meme candidates, which is still better than literal whos.

implying when you find this chinese cartoon board you want to go back to (((liberal))) 9gag and reddit or other internet shit

German politics for the uninitiated.

>Not through speeches and majority decisions will the great questions of the day be decided, but by iron and blood

Elections are becoming less and less important the worse the situation gets. At some point it'll be to either fight or die

Christian communities contributed to the fall of Rome, my wage dumping friend.

>when Merkel sees Frauke across the room

>mad mutti Merkel boiling with rage at the qt pi nationalist with strong thighs stealing her votes

>even more fucked up shit will get people back on Merkel's side

I really doubt that. She is the one in charge so people will inevitably blame her, especially now where they are already pissed off about her.

What do we have to lose at this point?

So theyre just morons who wont vote AfD anyway, what difference does it make?

The AfD is the product of more than just the refugee crisis. We had to deal with bullshit for many decades now, the refugees were just the epitome.

Jesus, that's a terrifying picture.

>>FDP - 6% +1

Let's go

>can you explain why this is?

Generally they will try to avoid this because the Left are delusional fanatics that can't be reasoned with.
It would put yourself into a gridlock that makes both of you look bad.

>in 4 years the AfD will be completely meaningless because Merkel & the media will just jump onto the next crisis

Further crisis just increases the power of extremist parties, either left or right. If the ruling party (i.e. CDU and SPD) can be blamed for creating or fucking up further shit, then they will lose votes, simple as that. And with the AfD being the only "conservative" option and many people don't want more immigrants (i.e. left or green parties), the AfD will be here to stay.

>waiting for more fucked up shit that will divert attention from the current shit.
Yes more shit is good. I'm saddened to see that the balkan route has been closed. The influx would have been so big that we would already have riots in the streets and the AfD would have 5-10% more of the votes. The bigger the crisis the better, otherwise the slow decline will just continue.

The AfD is not pro-EU. They claim that the EU has to change or Germany should leave.

Yeah they hate neoliberalism and are really redpilled on foreign issues. Its a shame that they arent electable. But it seem like a part of the party hates this SJW bullshit too (unfortunately lead by Wagenknecht who develops into a fuckable version of Gabriel).

>memehofer

Versager der Extraklasse. Außer einem großen Maul hat er nichts zu bieten

>because they are assimliated Slavs.

learn your own history, nigger. All the slavs lived in prussia, which is in poland now

She's like a happy puppy :3

You Krauts have no choice. You must vote for Frauke and her enigmatic smile, knowledge of chemistry and short qt hair.

UKIP were pretty bad too, but they were the receptacle for the pushback. There is no other choice whilst still working within the framework of party political Democracy.

True 'socialists/communists/marxists/whatever' hate the SPD since ~100 years, because they voted for Kriegskredite and therfor enabled Germany to join WW1.
There is a famous phrase in Germany:
"Wer hat uns verraten? Sozialdemokraten" (who betrayed us? Socialdemocrats)

This split still exists and socialists today really hate the SPD, because they are 'neoliberal' and against the interests of the workers. Especially since Sigmar Gabriel and the SPD party congress gave a great yes to CETA there won't be a Die Linke - SPD coalition.

The difference is that them being alright with what Merkel does would mean such a stunt would have no effect on their voting behavior, while Merkel throwing out citizenships as if they are candy might lead to them rethinking their stance or at the very least not go to vote at all.

Considering that all possible coalitions are hovering very close to the majority threshold at the moment this is not as insignificant as you might think.

Friesen are the better Dutchies/Germans

>Kretschmann
Local politician whos success is due to "muh Stuttgart 21"

>Steinmeier
23 fucking percent of votes in 2009 elections

>Merkel
LITERALLY worst thing to happen to us since Hitler

>Wagenknecht
Already geets shat on from her own party for only being 95% retarded instead of 100% retarded like the rest.

Lindner and Kubicki are better than all your "big names".

AfD "meme candidates" are the only hope we have

English you fucking twat

every western country is in this thread....they universally speak english.

I wish we all spoke German but you invaded Russia in the fucking winter you arrogant fucks

Bavaria is still one of the most liveable and better-managed counties in Germany, albeit that might me simply because of the amount of (car) industry there.

Moral decay contributed to the fall of Rome

Anyway, the cultural barrier between Poland and the rest is so big that we won't agree on anything. You'll see for yourself, you can't convince everybody through discussions

I just want to lick her jawline

why cant I

Are Petry posters at all aware of the fact that there sooner or later will be a coup to kick Petry out of the party and to replace her with the more right-wing hardliners?

Are you aware that she was not allowed to attend the election party of the AfD in Berlin?

Prussias territory included East Germany. And Saxony borders another Slavish nation, Czechia.

and I thought they still get voted for the euro crisis thing (reason Lucke founded this party)

Greek financial crisis is still there, because Merkel failed to solve it, now Merkel failed even harder in the current crisis and created the AfD.

Remember what happened to the pirates that were founded because of >muh internet freedom? It got worse to the point where people lose their jobs & lifes for expressing their opinion online and the party doesnt even get 1% anymore because they were infiltrated by extremists. Same thing is currently happening to the AfD. They're about to go full 14/88.

It's just a strange kind of bandwagoning.

>Linder
>good LIBERAL politican

öhm no

>zitiert direkt vom Bismarck
Ein wahrer Patriot bist du, mit Sicherheit. Deine Landsmänner, aber? 'ne ganz andere Frage.

Are you stupid? You have never been to East-Germany, up to this day we have Sorbs living in East-Germany and many Slavic city names...

>en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_Slav_Rising
>de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Slawenmission

I really feel like Wagenknecht is just the lefty version of Seehofer. Leader with a seemingly "sensible" opinion on things that functions as voter-bait.

The AfD adapts to the current political situation. I don't doubt that they will go full holocaust if the chance arrives, but for now they have to pretend to be moderates and for that they need Petry.

this, I bet most couldn't go back even if they wanted to, since Cred Forums made us to real for the average internet forum cock sucking

Its too late.

breitbart.com/london/2016/09/21/germany-40-percent-migrant-background/

Are there stats for other European countries available?

Let's wait how things turn out. The AfD has managed to fend of right-wing extremists fairly well, or at least they are better at hiding their true intentions (unlike the leftists).

AFD
not being pro-russian srsly?

They champaigned with ending the russian sanctions

she performed very well during the eurozone crisis, forcing everyone in south europe to be good goys and bail out german/french banks.

the plight of greeks and spaniards led to the current boom in germany we have seen after 2008, through a weaker euro and capital flight to germany.

Might is right!
Wohl auf, Kameraden, aufs Pferd, aufs Pferd!
Ins Feld, in die Freiheit gezogen.
Im Felde, da ist der Mann noch was wert,
Da wird das Herz noch gewogen.

Wenden, Sorben, Böhmenm Lutizen et cetera are Slavs. The map even shows todays Pommern as the "Wendenland".

>you invaded Russia in the fucking winter
The campaign against Russia was actually started in June.

I dont think that will happen. Gauland is too smart to think about a coup, Meuthen doesnt have enough influence and Höcke is just plain retarded.
>sb post Höcke Spurdo

He is literally the perfect German politician though

welt.de/politik/deutschland/video158073363/Regel-muss-sein-dass-Fluechtlinge-in-Heimat-zurueckkehren.html

Frisisch is the second worst accent here
(worst is limburgisch)

>Success.
>Merkel will still be PM.

Reparations when?

And the last source for you uninformed stupid leaf
>en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ostsiedlung

I do like the accents in North-Netherlands, they are easier to understand, but that's probably because I live in German Friesland.

Yes, she bailed out those banks with your tax money and then never talked about it again.

Frauke has memes on her side. She cannot lose.

thank you both

He fucked up

It was too late in the season to attack Russia

Some claim, that after her afd friendly comments, nearly all of her power was removed, we talking about informal power, since this is what matters and not your one vote in some party committee. I would assume this informal power, to be mainly in the hands of the more sinistre typs, like gysi.

Contrary to the Pirates, the AfD actually has a screening process for new members though.
Might not get everyone, but unironic 14/88ers who want to gas the Jews will have a hard time infiltrating them to kill off their credibility.

Also the AfD was actually created as response to the financial crisis in Greece, not the asylum crisis.

not only with our tax money. with the tax money of whole europe, that is the clue.

and germans still think that we have "saved" southern europe somehow, albeit their government debt and unemployed has skyrocketed and ours dropped.

so that could probably be considered good performance for an industry shill chancellor.

isnt too late tho? Like i feel whoever gets in power will have to do some nasty shit to get rid of the migrant crisis but no one wants to put "badguy" shoes

This. The SPD used to be the worker party but their leadership got bought out by lobbyists and bankers over the last couple of decades.
Just thinking back to what Gabriel said before the last elections and then what happened afterwards gets my blood boiling. As long as all these kike controlled faggots are the leaders of that part I won't even consider voting for them.

>It was too late in the season to attack Russia
You're always smarter in hindsight.

Just wanted to point out that the Nazis were not retarded enough to invade Russia during winter, they just underestimated how long it would take them to defeat the UdSSR

Lucke founded it for that purpose, Petry changed the focus substantially

the SPD has been mentioning a tax on wealth lately. only actually leftist proposal from them.

>next election is next year

>SPD accepts millions of refugees who will cost us incredible amounts of money and increase crime and terrorism, especially in areas where workers live
>SPD voters: This is fine

>SPD approves of a free trade agreement with a irrelevant meme country that may be a bit sketchy but doesnt really matter too much
>SPD voters: OMG fucking capitalist scum this will ruin Germany we will all lose our jobs now COMMUNIST REVOLUTION NOW

I will never understand you

Which ones?

From my impressions, the popular opinion seems to be that the US and Russia are both shit.
People were really upset when it got out that the US had been spying on everybody for years and nothing was done about it.
The image of the US as this big friendly nation and ally has been crumbling.

Merkel would have made a good CEO, but she is a fucking atrocious political leader because she doesn't understand the importance of culture and social coherence for a country at all.
She unironically believes that as long as the financial situation of the country overall improves, everything is fine.

We are over 80 million people. Unlike Sweden with 9 million and Belgium with 11 millionen, it will take generations to damage our demographic permanently. It is not too late - it hasnt even begun. Climate change will cause the largest wave of migration humanity has ever seen. Hundreds of million people will flee from tropical or subtropical zones to colder areas like Europe.

The party has shifted direction, contrary to the clamis, they are not only about one or two issues anymore. The Screenings are mainly aginst Sabotage from within. With the ban of the npd ex members a good amount of a goverment agent provocateurs is excluded. The Party is fit to play the game they have to play.

Won't get to the point where we get a right wing government cleaning up this mess anyway.

They will try to block the AfD till they reach the point where that leads to a complete incapability of forming a government, a collapse of the system and riots all over the country.

helping refugees is considered leftist politics.
approving of corporate lobbyist-dictated trade agreements is not considered leftist politics.

albeit both may damage their electorate.
then, the traditional worker class is dying out and not voting SPD anymore anyways.

>With the ban of the npd ex members a good amount of a goverment agent provocateurs is excluded. The Party is fit to play the game they have to play.
I've never seen it in this way, it really appeals to be a brilliant move.

>I will never understand you
I have never voted SPD. I'm just saying that you can't even consider voting for them because they're kike loving faggots whose policies will lead to further disparaties in wealth, the disappearance of the middle class and a further increase in people living in poverty.

>Russia are both shit
bullshit

Post more qt Frauke pics

>it will take generations to damage our demographic permanently.

"Germany needs 5 to 10 million females of childbearing age [immediately], which implies an overall immigration of 10 to 20 million individuals."
atimes.com/2016/06/demographics-and-sovereignty-in-the-brexit-vote/

>what are loyal-voters

>"yes please Uncle Sam sue me if your discount-chlorine-chicken doesnt sell as expected on my market"

what is the question directed at?

Public opinion on the US has been declining at least since the second Iraq war.

>CDU/CSU+AFD+FDP
Could this be possible within 1 year when merkel is gone?
The parties have to accept the AFD and if a grand coalition CDU/CSU+SPD isn't possible anymore the CDU/CSU has to look for a new partner to make coalitions with.
It can't be Die Linke and it can't be Greens.
In order to preserve power they have to ally with the AfD.
Friendly reminder that nobody wanted to ally with Die Linke as well, but then they did.

>contrary to the clamis, they are not only about one or two issues anymore
Oh, I am fully aware of that. I did read their party program.

But it is undeniable that the massive increase in support they are experiencing right now is due to the other parties fucking up royally and importing a million illiterate foreigners.

Anyone else notices how SPD and CDU member no longer call their parties Volksparteien and rather say democratic parties?

>Canada
>Uncle Sam

wew lad

Slavi-c-, please. Slavish is an insult in English.

You can't call a party with 20-30% of the votes Volkspartei anymore, can you?

I thought you ment TTIP, irrelevant meme country is a stretchy term.

Wow you might be a shill, not understanding that CETA is exactly the same as TTIP and in this case Canada is just a US proxy.

It definitely made a lot of sense, yeah. The NPD had tons of people on the government payroll who ensured that the party will always remain the laughing stock of the nation. The only non-moles that would even consider joining it were people who should never be in any position of power.

Banning all ex NPD members from joining the AfD had thus only positive effects while they didn't lose access to a single promising politician.

Sorry. Which parties already fight for foreign votes?

The CDU and SPD have the same problems as the native German population in general: they are dying out. They do not have many young face to show off anymore. Their regional candidates are unknown and grey, because they lack competent personnel.

It seems like reality is slowly reaching them :D

>Merkel still in power

congratulations germudslimes

Probably Grüne and Die Linke

Greens, SPD, Left, obviously.

Oh, and the AfD heavily baited Spätaussiedler and Russian Germans in Berlin and MV.

> 5 to 10 million females of childbearing age
Handing out ukrainian girls visa -> problem solved.

Yeah, its pretty much impossible to figure out if Canada or USA is the irrelevant meme country - if you have the average IQ of a leftist, that is.

And youre shitting yourself more over a bit of free trade with sketchy terms more than millions of foreigners who will receive free money from us - you might reconsider whos the cuck.

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>Could this be possible within 1 year when merkel is gone?

Not really, no. You wouldn't just need to dispose of Merkel, you would need to dispose of basically their whole leadership.
The only one who might stay as a puppet is Seehofer.

That would probably weaken them to the point where it will not be enough to get the majority.

HOW DOES CDU STILL HAVE 32 % VOTES

WTF is wrong with germans ????

Die Linke, the Left party, is the result of a unification of two parties. The PDS (former east German SED) and the WASG (former SPD politicians). SPD party members are seeing the members who left for the WASG as traitors.
In the beginning of Die Linke the SPD also said that there will NEVER be a coalition between the SPD and Die Linke in the Bundestag.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Labour_and_Social_Justice_–_The_Electoral_Alternative

"I move for a Vote of No Confidence in Chancellor Merkel's leadership."

Sadly, we can't get rid of our leaders that easily. They're all bought and paid by the same band of kikes.

It's NRW
Now that will be an interesting one

It really isn't. The CDU is becoming more and more delusional, believing that the reason they are not being voted for is because they didn't communicate their intentions properly while the SPD continues their course while stealing some suggestions from the AfD.
AfD baits Eastern Europeans and the Greens bait muslims.

I never called you a cuck and I never said I'm against CETA.

You're just quick to project. I wasn't even hostile senpai. Is this the Volkszorn?

AfD still needs some gains to be accepted. As long as the fucking (((media))) shitposts 24/7, people will believe this shit

so keep cool and vote AfD

They still mention it from time to time, but nowadays they are trying to make this an "establishment vs AfD" fight so they try to pick a term that includes the Greens, Left and so on but is leveled against the AfD (since there are morons who unironically believe that the AfD is not democratic)

you are also voting for the same corrupt mafia that fails to solve any of the problems of your country - again and again and again

this

When you start dropping below 20% in local elections what right do you have to call yourself Volkspartei?
Also they use "democratic parties" when talking about potential coalitions with FDP/Greens

Not even sure if it is so much about them being delusional.
I get the feeling that they rather believe that it will still be somehow enough to keep them in power for another 4 years and that is the only thing that matters to them.

I mean, look at every statement from the CDU regarding Merkel. The question is never what they personally believe in or if they think what Merkel is doing is a good thing for Germany, they exclusively talk about the question if keeping or dropping Merkel makes it more likely for them to get the chancellorship

>Hahnreisohlen.jpg

I wish Merkel was as good at backpedalling as you are

there is no other politician that could run for chancellor in the CDU

>getting offended by a filename for footbeds for shoes

okay you are a cuck

It's the same all over Europe, we don't have a real left wing party, all we have are two big identical shill parties, our chancellor Kern made a genius move recently, he let party members vote on CETA, 92 % were against it, he now expertly moved himself into a corner like only Austrian could do it. If he goes with CETA he proofs what an anti-democratic disgusting corporate shill he is and cause an uproar in his own party, he actually vetos CETA and causes butthurt across (((elites))) in Europe and America or he somehow gets to a compromise with Canada about certain controversial points in the agreement. A veto would probably cause a government crisis and new elections, while accepting it as is would cause a crisis withing an already torn party. A compromise would probably be for the best, but sure hope it fails and we get some nice shitstorm going.

everyone gets to vote, not just those actually interested in politics

it's why change takes so long, because most people just vote based on name recognition and habit

>CDU

do we have anyway ONE good politician who would make a good chancellor?

>AfD baits Eastern Europeans and the Greens bait muslims.
Huh I read our polish friends have nightmares about the Aufteilung when hearing about AfD results.
welt.de/politik/ausland/article158319114/Polen-entdeckt-die-Liebe-zu-Angela-Merkel-wieder.html

It would be nice if they trolled the fuck out of the German government though. Lots of good "ironic" speeches.

They could run with Seehofer. It wouldn't be the first time the Union sends a CSU candidate into the race.

Also they will have to face that problem sooner or later anyway. Merkel isn't immortal and as long as Merkel is the head of the party, she will not allow any other politician to rise from the lower ranks.

you still have a vibrant democracy in austria. possibly because the country is smaller, there are constantly debates and shifts in the political climate.

Because Merkel, in her infinite paranoia and lust for power, murdered the career of anyone who became too popular.

Guilty bastards belong to Siberia, not Europe.

#BringBackSchröder

Lets go for maximum meme potential and have the CSU send Stoiber

>you still have a vibrant democracy in austria
I am pretty sure they had a "great coalition" for the majority of Nachkriegszeit

well ... uhm ...

It's 2002 again

You people better not seriously allow immigrants and refugees to vote in your country, I swear to Christ I'll lose the last shred of respect I have for Germans

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oh, i actually forgot this part.

but guess they have done a decent job, austria is a good country to live in.

afd, linke and cdu coalition would be great

>Polska kurva
eternal butthurts

i really dont get this woman. cling to power that desperately, only to ... what, actually?

A challenger appears!

Or maybe it is, not anywhere near the importance of german politics. In germany thousands of foreigin Organisations are trying to invluence everything, often with great success.

There's no final purpose user. She just clings to power for the sake of power.

Same as those of the 1% who already have more money than they could spend in a hundred generations, yet they are still obsessed with making even more money.

Might ask the same about late Kohl or late Adenauer.
Just CDU things

>You people better not seriously allow immigrants and refugees to vote in your country
We wouldn't be allowing anything. It would be decided by our politicians with no regard to what the people want.

>what did he mean by this?

I was wondering about him a few days ago, too.
I'm sure if the media wanted to, they could build him up as rival to Merkel and the population would probably be willing to forgive him his blatant lies if it means getting rid of her.

Problem is that Merkel is friends with Springer so that is never going to happen.

The fact it is even an option in your country to let them vote on what happens to you is appalling

I'd vote for him, he probably has common knowledge since he copied his exams from wikipedia

It's not going to happen

More Frauke.

She is a pastors daughter, she could easily have some insane religious motives or pseudo religious motives.

Fucking protestants man.

I am pretty sure that would be violating a shitton of laws we have.

The problem is this whole situation only occurred to begin with because our politicians don't give a single shit about violating the law and constitution anymore.

Does she have a lazy eye?

You must make this woman Empress.

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Then you better have violent protests if they do violate the law, show you still have bravery and love for your country.

I know people will hate on me for saying that now...but im a Bi fag and im voting AfD..
Theres something really intresting Petry said in an interview. She said: "Go and ask the homosexual community of who they are afraid of - you will find out that it is not the germans they are afraid of"

But im pretty sure nothing will change.
Like always.

Wouldnt even suprise me if they would try an assasination on Petry cus she is such a homophobic nazi ;)

It's impossible to prevent a coalition like this. With around 30% the blacks will remain in the parliament no matter what. And I rather see Black/Red than the Left in the coalition. As long as Red/Green/Left is not possible it's fine by me.

>A 4-year government doesn't get to fix problems
1933-1937 Changed a lot in germoney.

but only nazis would do that ;)

People are used to the modern governments that dick around all day doing basically nothing apart from adding a few new loopholes because they are actually pretty happy with the situation already.

The problem isn't that a government can't change anything in 4 years, the problem is that it almost always lacks the will to do so.

this, the great coalition was our go to thing most of the time, but it's a time of the past now, since even together they can't get a majority anymore, the voters of the big "Volksparteien" are dying and even if they manage to form a government with a third party, which probably would be the greens, they can't stop the FPÖ forever, a three party coalition would be even more unworkable than the shitshow we have now, which reminds me of a bitter constantly quarreling married couple. The downfall of the big parties started a long time ago and I don't think it can be stopped anymore.

>what are traditional Christian values

Hans, tell me about Steffen Königer. He's seems totally based. Very funny.

youtu.be/SAHvLAJ-5aQ

>„Rechts von der CSU darf es keine demokratisch legitimierte Partei geben“

There will never ever be a coalition with the AfD. While the CDU/CSU lost a lot of very conservative voters to the AfD, with that coalition they would loose all the moderates.

>with that coalition they would loose all the moderates.
I very highly doubt it. Moderates aren't exactly fans of Islam most of the time.

This will be the horror Vision the cdu will use to Drive the voteing cattle in its containments. But it is not impossible, it could happen, i would say moderatly unlikely. A federal leftwing Extremist goverment would redpill people by the millions, yes the living conditions would rapidly get worse, but maybe this exactly what we Need and the real Problem is the slow ecconomic decline/ demographic dead, which to slow for most to notice.

Is this hofreiter?

You completly missunderstand what Strauß was saying with that quote.
He's saying there shall not be a "legitimate" party right of the CSU because in that case they could kiss the absolute majority good bye forever.
While you're right that they won't coalate with them that's because they don't want to legitimate them

On the one hand you're right but on the other I always have to remember that Rot-grün created the Agenda 2010

Reminder that pro refugees parties have 84%

kek

Who gives a fuck if you're bi, most of Cred Forums would fuck a trap or a ladyboy given the chance.

fucking americans

>mfw no one even questions the legitimacy of coalitions in a so-called democracy

But Schröder wasn't the typical leftwinger to fuck shit up. He was more fiscaly conservatives than some in the cdu, he was sort of a smug guy, who knew how to make deals. The greens got some foreigin stuff and the nuclear energy exit, but not much more. The Situation now is much more tense, gobalisation makes more problems than ever, Most Banks are borderline Bad Banks, the global south is either here or waiting to come and much more. Even the cdu is makeing it worse and worse, with the left, give them a year and we have total Chaos in Germany.

>>Frauke Petry will never Anschluss your face with her powerful Germanic thighs
Frauke Petry will never Anschluss your face with her powerful nylon clad Germanic thighs
ftfy fellow bong.

>he wants an american or even worse french system
No thanks

right-wing parties will make the refugee waves swell even faster, by denying or ignoring climate change

>50 shades of Socialism
>legitimacy of coalitions

Yeah but our government works strange in retrospect
>Agenda 2010
SPD
>Hardline against RAF
SPD
>Acknowledging Oder-Neiße
CDU

Expect a lot of false flag ANTIFA attacks on non Europeans blamed on AfD. This is where shit gets nasty.

Right because the American system works so well to keep them non-cucked by jews.

with an SS officers hat, suspenders and a Nazi whip

Good thing that by acknowledging them, they automatically stop, right?

ofc not, thats why i wrote "deny OR ignore". acknowledging is only the first step. (and actually, there is little to acknowledge, its simply happening)

>Does she have a lazy eye?

Around blacks never relax. She is in germany afterall.

And how would we be able to reverse the process? The USA, China and India won't stop polluting the planet and we Germans can't effectively do anything to stop it. Maybe by using futuristic devices to control the climate, but that lies many decades into the future when the refugees are already coming en masse.

Funny, i have brought this up in another thread, yesterday or the day before. Where i wundered about all those climate scientist, of whom nearly Nobody seems to raise any concerns, about more and more people coming here and who want to live the wester Lifestyle. To me, as somewhat familiar with this topic, it is not really clear yet, we have not enough data, to be sure, but africa is hoplessly over populated. And it is completly artefical. The concern of climate change should be one thing to be considered, still there are many other push and pull factors we have to Deal with.

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how long until germany is (((liberated))) from these nationalistic monsters?

I'm glad our parliament isn't a shithole of intolerance against indigenous population like our neighbours to the south and east.

thats true, we need broader cooperation
>still there are many other push and pull factors we have to Deal with
yeah, africa is a shithole for countless reasons. many of those have little to do with the west.

but doing something about the factors that indeed have something to do with the west (assymetrical trade agreements, theft of african ressources by western corporations, climate change) would be good for starters.

they already did in the past you cuck

I don't get it. 16% vs. 22% and 32%. Aren't you still losing by a lot?

> Pic related

The thing is, I don't think AfD voters will fall for that "horror vision".

To them Merkel isn't any better than the German left wing.

When did Seehofer go against the CDU? And with that I mean actually doing something against them, not just talking about it.

the AfD is a very new party and you have to earn some respect and trust first. With 16% they have already more voters than oldtimer like linke or greens and SPD is not that far away with their 22%

we still have a year to elections. It will get better

Theft of Ressources in Germany you would call it "Enwicklungs und Schwellenländer mit Exportabhänigkeit von unveravbeiteten Rohstoffen" but while i agree that a great amount goes straight into the pockets of corrupt local elites, it is the reason many people have some comfort in their live, hence i wouldn't call it theft. But i think, it would be the best to get away from their Ressources and let them retransition into their natural state as primitive tribes.

I wanna sniff her cleavage

"conservative" and "liberal" don't mean anything in the US anymore. This election is a demographic election more than anything.

The "parties" are literally

Rich people, upper middle class white people, latinos, black people and educated women

v.

Trump and poor white working class people.

But some who are regular cdu voters, who entertain the thought of chaning their habit due to Merkels Bad desciouns, maybe could.

You're missing the point. Parties like AfD and UKIP aren't meant to win elections. It would be great if it happened, but let's be realistic. The point is to force the mainstream conservative parties to the right.
Not that it's working particularly well in Germany, mind. Merkel has signalled nationalism a dozen times now, only to go back on it as soon as she has the votes.

this, by far
Wagenknecht is pretty based

I wouldn't really call her based but she isn't as far removed from reality as the rest of them. Definitely belongs to the more reasonable part of the left.

It pretty much all depends on the question if Germany manages to get rid of Merkel somehow. She ruined so many political careers that the rest of our establishment is actually afraid of her.
Even if they'd know that the population is on their side, they'd still be afraid of opposing her.

I wouldn't say it is very unrealstic, but if we bring them to completly take over our party programm this would be ideal.

inb4 deep state activates informers and agent provaceteur on the right to shore up support for rapefugees

as someone mentioned earlier, the AfD banned all ex NPD members from joining their party, so pretty much all agent provocateurs the government has on the right cannot destroy the party from the inside

and if they just kill refugees people probably won't even care. no one seemed to care about all the refugee shelters being burned down

wow a whole 16% in a country that is literally one inch away from destroying itself. fucking krauts, don't ever immigrate to our country.