British Vanguard Party (BVP) Discussion

^as a movement*

As far as we know that's more or less what Arron Banks is working on to support UKIP, a sort of right wing momentum.

Better off joining a group with millionaire backing that's also backed by Are Nige than starting one on your own.

I suppose that might do, run as a movement and if we do happen to get enough support, possibly become a party.

I've been pondering this idea myself. Despite everything good PM May has done, Calais Wall, Grammar Schools, Calling Migrants for what they are. I still have the looming threat that she *May* sell us out. Power to you my friend, would join in all honesty. Make Britain, Britain Again.

With this we can run it, brit/pol/s own party run the way we feel and backed by Kek.

What I care about is consolidating Unionism in all 4 nations and restoring the British identity.

I definitely agree, there's just something beautiful about British monarchy which I wish we had in its full glory. Personally I lean more towards elective monarchy in terms of what would be best, I enjoy the Thomas Hobbes sort of 'above and beyond the system' and 'controlling all but not doing all' (which I can't remember the Latin phrases for) ideology.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Elective_monarchy
That seems pretty interesting but realistically we wont be doing any major changes to the political structure of the UK without a real revolution.

You might want a different name.
To me vanguard sounds like there will be fighting.

I predict you'll see those major changes in the coming years user.

Which would require at least one charismatic person, and you wont find that here

My imagination is failing me, I'm trying to think of less aggressive names. What I have so far mostly sound like autistic prog rock bands.

Stop the treason talk and support Lizzy you numptys.

Vanguard isn't terrible, on paper it obviously implies defending rather than attacking, but either way still suggests fighting

Hopefully, but it will have to be a major thing to change to a elective monarchy. it would be interesting but it would be too big a change to realistically happen.
Maybe

My wording there was terrible, I wasn't advocating treason of any kind, I meant you'll see the kind of major changes and events in the geo political sphere to justify a major shift in political structure at home.

It would be interesting if Charles tried to take Britain by the balls after he ascends

Suffering from mild dementia, apparently.

But the royal family wont try shit

Whats your opinion on religion lid?

I don't what to make of the royal family and where their allegiances may exist, they could be altogether apathetic at this point. There were rumours that the Queen backed a brexit vote, but many attribute this to Micheal Gove telling white lies over a conversation he may or may not have overheard during an audience with her majesty.

desu only one of those four is giving dad any cause to be proud

Christianity is our religion, CofE.

How impolite! And to think, it is you who are calling me a savage? Tisk Tisk.

I have some very mild hopes for Charles, I've heard that he's quite traditionalist, but I don't seriously think he'll do anything impressive. Her Majesty may be conservative but if she hasn't taken any sort of serious action yet she wont ever. I certainly wouldn't place my faith in any politician either, OP is probably right that democracy is the way to do it.

absolutely disgusting

i think about this all the time, how to achieve it though?
you'd have to take out (at least the leaders if not the membership of) the:
EDL, SNP, Plaid Cymru, Sinn Fein.

how would we achieve this. silencing? de-platforming? Imprisonment?

No way to achieve this without considerable violations of personal liberty.

I agree, what worries deeply me is that any party that puts an emphasis on British culture, traditions and identity risks going the way of the BNP and UKIP(early days). Which is an all out assault by the MSM to try and shut them down by labelling them as racist or little englanders before they gain any traction.

If you can't survive the fires you are not worthy of leading, and in the end the flames temper the strong.

We fed chavs lots of beef and put them in red coats and basically had them kick the shit out a bunch of stone age foreigners in shitty countries.

that was then this is now. we bankrupted outselves defeating Hitler and we'll never get it back

i dont like nostalgia and jingoism.

You've misunderstood me, I'm completely behind your message. What I'm saying is we should learn from the folly that came before us and try to play around it. Perhaps by initially drumming up support for some real and drastic changes in our policies at home that aren't related to migration to avoid been shut down immediately by MSM.

Right, even with a charming leader and making sure that no member misbehaves its so simple for them to completely dismiss the argument and the people with swallow it without chewing.
also this, as I said I'm a monarchist but I wouldn't suggest a party even consider mentioning it until it caught some traction

Ahh, okay. I feel out core mission statement and aims should be on display at the start though. If we can't survive with our true aims then they were never good enough to begin with.
One of the aims should be to restore British culture. We will get attacked if we got big by MSM, but we have to stand our ground and anyway, more right wing media such as the Sun and the Daily Fail will lap up the britishness and wouldn't go full offensive.

I don't think a traditionalist but isolationist future Britain would be a bad thing. Powell might well have been right, maybe we should have cut ties with the commonwealth having given them independence, and focussed on the United Kingdom. Britain is a world in itself.

hone your persuasion skills m8s, this is the only way.

Lay back on the controversy, let the controversial views seep in but NEVER say them yourself.

make yourself respectable, give a good image, eg relate yourself to old timey conservatives

the best way to preserve liberty is through constitutional monarchy

Elective monarchy is disgusting, pretty much an oxymoron

t. CHANG

Exactly and that's not to say that said policies can't have an overall conservative or right leaning tone. In fact if we approach from this angle said stances on migration and British would seem part and parcel of our new voice.

Thank's but I wont be able to act like an oldy conservative considering i'm in uni, another would have to be our charismatic oldy conservative leader.

You're setting the bar low if you're looking to rival National Action.

Whats wrong with it? I know it takes away the aesthetic value but I only incline towards it because it seems to be the only way to ensure that a successor actually has to be worth a damn.

Again I agree, but given the left leaning system were up against I'm calling for a more nuanced and subtle approach.

literally BNP mark 2

Every generation of whites have had movements like this sprout up like flowers in a lawn.
But the (((GARDENER))) doesn't want those flowers. He just wants boring grass. And so they are removed, poisoned, and destroyed.

This is what it is to be oppressed.

There are much better plans out there. By all means, Larp away, but at the end of the day, the 'british' country has already been destroyed.

Now is not the time to bother trying to peacefully and gently grow.
Now is the time to try a different strategy.

It defeats the entire point.

It will also give people more of a feeling of control and when their elected monarch buggars up they will want him removed causing civil unrest.

And of course this doesnt even mention most of the problems that democracies face now would manifest themsleves there too

I'm half sikh (punjabi aka poo in loo) and half English,can I join?

sounds autistic

Whats the alternative for ensuring the heir isn't a fuckwit?

youtube.com/watch?v=AD7vaMAqwxk

I'd rather have the problems of this world.

youtube.com/watch?v=peIGfPU9dHo

Freedom Party sounds much cooler

Time to restore the empire brittons. Fucking loved the face of Merkel the cunt and all the other traitors when you left the EU.
I'm sure you will just come back right in time for tea. And maybe you would like a beer in the evening with a german lad?

Fair enough, it might work.

What do you suggest we do then, get all 10 of us at best (at the start) and annex the south west?

We live in a global society. We're on a worldwide messageboard with 100 nationalities and your talking about isolationism. The genie is out the bottle we need to define a future that is realistic. The British wont stand for anything other access to global markets and shelves lined with food. We're a globalist consumer society.

Spoken like a true defeatist, I'm a UNI student, Meaning I obviously haven't been involved in the political spectrum all that long, but I can't stand by and watch what is happening to this Union especially when it's beginning to effect my family in what i thought was a comfy unionist and traditionalist state (Northern Ireland).

While I wholeheartedly support the sentiment behind this, I think the execution might be a little lacking and the idea doomed to failure.

And I think that is the case with all movements that look to go back to whatever golden age they envision.

Ironically if we want to restore British pride and national identity the best way is to go forwards. We need to create a movement that strives towards a better future rather than one that seeks a grander past. We need that movement to shape the future that we want, one where our ideals are encapsulated and that incorporates something new.

We need to paint a vision that inspires people to work towards it. Something that is greater than what has ever been. Even if it falls short of the mark in the end. I love our heritage as much as the next man, but our past is past. We avoid making the same mistakes as other nationalist groups by not being anything like them.

Stop telling people this is how it was.
Start telling them this is how it's going to be.

Monarchy does that somewhat itself, check out some Hoppe, father teaches his son not to be a cuck to preserve his legacy for example. there is also a constitution that the king cannot breach

Of course dear boy

TECHNOCRACY!

Seriously, why don't we start putting the people who actually have a clue about something in charge of that something?

I've been almost everywhere in Europe, except Germany. I love your people and your innate ability to be efficient and productive in almost every way of your infrastructure and daily life. I always wanted to visit during Oktoberfest (a touristy trope I know) but given the attacks I see this event being a prime target unfortunately. God speed kraut.

I love Germany for the same reason. Just as an example, look at statista.com. German made website, and look how clean and organized it is! Germans manage to make everything as organized as that.

Good points, and thanks for the recommendation

Sure m8, you can be viceroy of India once the empire is restored.

How would Norway be for a visit instead, if I fly into Oslo it wont look like Nigeria upon leaving the airport right?

sikhs are bro tier, you are a bro arent you?

national action are good lads don't shit on them

Oslo is fucking shit. If you go to Norway but stay in Oslo, then you've wasted your time (and a shit load of money)

No, even Oslo is pretty good. Hoyre (literally, "Right") is the party in control, together with FrP, and they have taken massive steps to reverse the destructive policies of the labour party, which has been in control for about 50 years until 2013. Asylum centres are shutting down due to low demand, and migrants have stopped arriving. Our economy isn't doing too bad either, even with the low oil prices. Infrastructure has gotten better the last few years as well, with more motorway construction etc... Our roads used to be third world tier with the former socialist labour party. I recommend you visit, but Oslo might not be the best choice, because the elevation and the landscapes around the area are very much like in Britain. Bergen is nicer and more mountainous.

I think we should alteast agree on a name.
I think British Vanguard seems okay, but I also think it does sound abit violently as vanguards are the first line in a fighting force.