/left pol/ #2

Scandinavia is not socialist you autist

hello my fellow je- i mean uh oppressed proletariat brother. let us prepare to destroy the privileged white peop- i mean uh "bourgeois" and form a bleak and desola- ahem, excuse me i cant seem to handle my words, and form a classless utopia for whole world!

I never said so.

OY VEY

SHUT
IT
DOWN

There are still people that believe this hogwash? Even after having every country you take over fall apart?

What?

It isn't real socialism(tm).

>Scandinavian model
They're amongst the highest on the ease of doing business index m8.

good to see you still going strong serf :^)

was worried you splurged out too hard and smashed your pc

I know

[autism intensifies]

calm down though

They believe that if we just do it a bit more it will work.
The UK education system has been put under more and more state control since the 60's and our education levels are at an all time low. The situation is so bad that the government keeps having to redefine what an A is.
An A in a modern day A-level is the same as a C in a GCSE from 40 years ago.

It's almost as if the government keeps its nose out of private enterprise.
Almost like they aren't really anywhere near socialism at all.

That's Communism what you describe
They have large welfare states and a high state quota in the economy, which is Socialist

Whatever gotta go to sleep. Tell the other 3 lefty/pol/ autists on IRC to keep bumping the thread. Maybe you will recruit another retarded autistic frogposting memelord to your containment board tonight. Good luck with that

You DO know that your universities used to be free, do you?

You don't even have proper state-funded trade schools, like we have in Germany

this is the weirdest behavior i've seen on Cred Forums. did you get molested by a socialist when you were a kid or something

all this effort because you disagree with some people. just hide these threads or something. 99% of this board is not lefty so just go back to your safe space

No, his whole country got molested by a socialist.

I see reading comprehension isn't your best talent then.

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We fucking need a wall protecting us from Commiefag/pol/

so you want a safe space for yourself? :^)

do different opinions hurt your fee fees? :^)

>/left pol/

i tell you whats going on here your a fuck eight chaner that left in 2013 but after you seen all the news of Cred Forums you came back

you just want some attention because your site is dead well fuck off theres a left pol their and you know its shit so just fuck off back to your clearly poor decision

You guys have no opinions that haven't already been addressed/debunked before on this board.

Use the archives

Saged

lmao if you say so

>maybe if I type like a little girl he'll stop

b-but those cases aren't real socialism(tm)

wanting a safe space free from opinions you don't like is the behaviour of a little girl. you can say what you want on Cred Forums as long as its within the rules, which this thread is. except more lefty threads m8

expect*

#NotRealCommunism
#NotRealCapitalism
#NotRealLife

Go back and look. I dare you.

Coward

saged

>expect more lefty threads m8

Great, now I get to see more pseudo-intellectual bullshit threads about a ideal society so unattainable nations tore themselves apart trying to create it.

>wanting a safe space
Who's called for you to be banned? :^)

Marxist-Leninist-Maoist here. Sup lads

Dude, socialism is like the scientific economic policy. The banks make too much money and like the banks minus taxes divided by you and me adds up to some good times.

All commies must die.

Or maybe if we got the community together for a drum circle we could fight the man. The powers that be will know we are organizing then.

You got any pot comrade? I need to toke up before I play the bongos.

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>/left pol/ thread with commie flag
>op advocates swedish socdem policies

Read some theory nigga, welfare states aren't going to solve any problems in the long run.

Sure, SocDem might be better for the United Classcucks of America right now, but for us eurotrash real™ socialism is possible.

Man the government is so oppressive they took my weed, we need a big government to redistribute the weed back to me.

>There are people who think Stalin actually killed 60 million people

Because communism saved Venezuela from starvation. Saged

Kek, /leftypol/ trying again to invade Cred Forums. This will fail like literally every other attempt.
Stay mad jelly poorboys

>There are people who think Venezuela actually collapsed

>First world
>real socialism is possible
HAHAHAHAHAHA.

Not going to go over this again but a state with private property,capital accumulation and private ownership of the MOP isn't a socialist one.

Or like maybe we could grow our own weed and give it to the people. One like a farm everybody owns, if we all chip in the work will get done.

>not my specific brand of socialism, so its not real.

Show me one brand of socialism that includes private property,capital accumulation and private ownership of the MOP and I'll commit suicide on cam for you.

This German would like a word with you :^)

Sorry, that sounds too much like profiteering and effort to me, what are you? Some kind of capitalist?!

Was socialist Yugoslavia socialist?
Looks like it's suicide time for you Corbyn.

Why do you think it isn't?

>eu supporting kraut who thinks socialism=welfare equals socialism

yeah man and capitalism is like a system with socialism on top of communism that includes a bit of feudalism wow dude BTFO XDDDDDD

Was socialist Yugoslavia socialist?

Your precious Fuhrer tried that. Didn't go too well for him. Follow your leader.

>oh no muh 60000 gorillion innocent capitalist and kulaks

youtube.com/watch?v=kOnIp69r6vg

No.

Because every time some third world shithole that installed whatever brand of whatever in the mid to late 20th century finally collapses, mouth breathers like you come out of the wood work with some hair brain argument about how it wasn't really socialism. Mostly because it didn't follow the commandments of Marx set out in his writing to the letter. The ideal and reality don't mix, get that through your thick scull.

Funnily enough, most of these come from posters living what I would assume are comfortable enough lives in nations that have never officially made the switch. Which boggles my fucking mind.

Yes also
>from the 1950s to the early 1980s, Yugoslavia was among the fastest growing countries, approaching the ranges reported in South Korea and other miracle countries. And the aforementioned unique socialist system in Yugoslavia, where factories were owned by workers and decision-making was less centralized than in other socialist countries, may have led to the stronger growth
have some autism youtube.com/watch?v=Pcp9qAd4x4M

Yet all those things existed there.
Suicide time for you I think.

I think you should talk to someone who lived there rather than looking at some wiki page.

Third Worldism tends to abandon a class and Marxist focus. Mao made many valuable contributions to genuine Marxist-Leninist theory.

At least they are free to leave that enclosure

I'm not saying that other forms of socialism aren't true socialism (see Yugoslavia) what I'm saying is that there are definitions of socialism and if a country is following a neoliberal or any other capitalist plan instead of a kind of socialism then it isn't socialism

Get it child? Do you finally understand?

But wait, I thought the USSR wasn't socialist, since, you know, it killed as many innocents as the nazis did and immediately became another shitty dictatorship

No they didn't. revolutionaryhistory.co.uk/index.php/documents/128-fourth-international/tito/5455-the-yugoslav-revolution

Time for you to commit suicide I think.

They still couldn't even make enough toiler paper in Yugoslavia.
Tell me, how many times have you had to stock up on toilet paper because rumour has it there's a shortage on the way?

>some website is true
>someone who lived there isn't
okay

You do know that the right to protest and free speech was in the constitution of the USSR too. How many protesters survived there? :^)

Wasnt the USSR "state capitalist"? I am really confuse tovarish,,,

State capitalism is usually described as an economic system in which commercial (i.e., for-profit) economic activity is undertaken by the state, where the means of production are organized and managed as state-owned business enterprises (including the processes of capital accumulation, wage labor, and centralized management), or where there is otherwise a dominance of corporatized government agencies (agencies organized along business management practices) or publicly listed corporations of which the state has controlling shares.Marxist literature defines state capitalism as a social system combining capitalism—the wage system of producing and appropriating surplus value—with ownership or control by a state; by this definition, a state capitalist country is one where the government controls the economy and essentially acts like a single huge corporation, extracting the surplus value from the workforce in order to invest it in further production.This designation applies regardless of the political aims of the state and many people argue that the modern People's Republic of China constitutes a form of state capitalism and/or that the Soviet Union failed in its goal to establish socialism, but rather established state capitalism.

>only speaking in buzzwords and memorized sentences

Also I'd like to know what all the commies in this thread what they make a year/what they study.

>more wealth distribution is happening
wew

>USSR wasn't socialist

That's up for debate.

Capitalists and the Romanovs weren't innocent. I'm sure someone will screech about famines but feudalist and then proto-capitalist Russia had famines for centuries before the Soviets ended them through proper modernised industry and agriculture. Bad weather and environmental conditions and endless military assaults (from the White Army, anti-communists and then fascists) exacerbated the problem. Deaths are regrettable but unavoidable in class struggle. And yet within 40 years Russia went from a peasant shithole to a nuclear equipped, space faring, industrial superpower, with full employment, guaranteed healthcare and housing, even while the West languished in the great depression.

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Compare with 10, 20, 30, 40, 50 years ago.

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>just a bit more
Nice strawman.

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Got any proof?

You're from Yugoslavia? Yeah call me crazy but facts>anecdotal evidence from the capitalist class that fled like dogs.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Economy_of_the_Socialist_Federal_Republic_of_Yugoslavia
revolutionaryhistory.co.uk/index.php/documents/128-fourth-international/tito/5455-the-yugoslav-revolution

>implying I give a fuck about that liberal bullshit

Again, socialists are divided on this issue. In my view, by the time of Khruschev capitalism had been re-instituted in the USSR.

>>only speaking in buzzwords and memorized sentences
No different to the anti-communist buzzwords spouted in here, that have been drilled into your head through cultural hegemony.

>A Scandinavian model
What is a Scandinavian model? :)

Do you mean 1945-Scandinavian model, or 1960 or 1980 or 2000? What is perfection?

Not an argument.

Negro, these days no one dies from lack of food. People die of hunger because food cannot reach them. War.

>left Cred Forums
you mean reddit?

Seems like a Ben Garrison drawing with all those labels.

Funny how the news won't report that Chavez actually improved a lot of things for a few years.

>muh fashist conspiracy

There were no fascists in the USSR in the '30s and the white army was dead and burried yet they still managed to starve a few million Ukrainians.

Also, how come the white army are responsible for the famine and not the communists since it was the communists who started the civil war? Nice mental gymnastics.

Not an argument.

I need a Pinochet!

I tend towards Marxism than anarchism but I like this quote:

>“Crowned heads, wealth and privilege may well tremble should ever again the Black and Red unite!”
— Otto von Bismarck

>Got any proof?
Article 50 of the constitution of the soviet union """"guarantees"""" free speech.

Yes, I lived there. You could run your own small business, you could keep your own money. You couldn't fire anyone from your small business even if they didn't work because muh workers rights though.
As with every socialist utopia the government was full of shit, you think that anything written on a piece of paper matters? A naive socialist, who could have imagined.

Are you retarded or do you just like posting strawman arguments?

sweetliberty.org/issues/wars/witness2history/3.html
THE ENEMY AT THE GATE

> By 1922, the Bolshevik influence on Russia and indeed the world, by what Churchill had describes as, 'this same astounding race' was almost complete. Many saw events as being the first stage of an international plot, mainly by those of Jewish race, to seize world control. By explanation or defence of these phenomena some will suggest that Jews, intellectually inclined towards all forms of social change, peaceful and otherwise, should naturally find themselves disproportionately represented in such an upheaval.

> Be that as it may, the facts are clear and although often hidden from Gentile eyes, are never disputed. On the contrary, many of the world's most highly placed and influential Jews have openly boasted of their responsibility for communism; even its crimes.

Ben Garrison draws political cartoons. That was also a political cartoon.

Glad I could help.

Millions of former Yugoslavs are nostalgic for the old days. Many people still love Tito.

Soon

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So then if the USSR wasnt socialist why do leftards keep posting this all the time, implying that socialism alone beat nazism or something ? Are they mentally challenged or something?

Millions of innocent people were killed. Stalin was a genocidal tyrant, I just don't think 60 million people were killed given the demographics.

The problem is that the progress slowed down as soon as Stalin died.

It was great for lazy people since you couldn't get fired. Wasn't so great for the people who were left holding everything together.

This has to be bait

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youtube.com/watch?v=LfgSEwjAeno

What conspiracy? The Nazis invaded the USSR and laid waste to vast swathes of the country. Yet the USSR still got back on its feet. The communists didn't start the civil war, butthurt reactionaries did. I explain the Ukrainian situation above. It's mostly just bullshit propaganda by Ukrainian nationalists and neo-nazis

>food cannot reach them
That's lack of food.

What is his worst arguments?

Not an argument.

Hahah literally lmaoing @ all these socialism/commie-loving dumbasses ITT, you'd be the first to get invited to the party in one of the Politbureau's intelligence agency designated fun-houses

I was talking about toilet roll kek I don't support freedom of speech and neither do you.

Yugoslavia pursued a socialist economy based on autogestion or worker-self management. Rather than implementing a centrally planned economy, Yugoslavia developed a market socialist system where enterprises and firms were socially owned rather than publicly owned by the state. In these organizations, the management was elected directly by the workers in each firm, and were later organized according to Edvard Kardelj's theory of associated labor.

In the 1950s socialist self-management was introduced, which reduced the state management of enterprises. Managers of socially owned companies were supervised by worker councils, which were made up of all employees, with one vote each. The worker councils also appointed the management, often by secret ballot. The Communist Party was organized in all companies and most influential employees were likely to be members of the party, so the managers were often, but not always, appointed only with the consent of the party.

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Stalin had his flaws, but yeah, he definitely was the best Soviet leader by a mile along with Lenin. After him they gradually restored capitalism, which slowed the progress towards communism down. Then Gorbachev caved into to capitalism completely.

Intelligence is recognized as partially hereditary.

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>All of these butthurt shitposters itt
This is why gulags exist.

By the way lads, have you read the kapital manga before? it's pretty good imo

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Workers died in their millions to wipe the Nazi stain off the planet. The Nazi's most hated enemies were the communists. They banned them (KPD) almost immediately on taking power because Nazism was capitalism in decay, like all fascists movements.

My point is that it's an ideological problem for Communism if we want to use the successes of the Soviet Union and China etc., that they faded away.

kek
>telling people to get out of your safe space and back to their safe space

pathetic

How do you expect me to provide you documentation for such a thing? There was shortages in everything. The news always said we had plenty of toilet paper though.
We had ready access to the retarded horticulture books though. Plenty of those.

You have no idea what you're talking about lol.

>I don't support freedom of speech
What about freedom of assembly? Freedom of the press?

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Fuck off dirty commie the only good commie is a dead commie

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no, you fuck off.

Well we can learn from their attempts. Capitalism didn't spring into existence and success overnight, it was a gradual process before finally triumphing over feudalism. And now capitalism dominates the world. It's true that capitalist restoration is something that needs to be considered in the future.

The failure of the revolution to spread worldwide was what caused the downfall of these countries.

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Still better living space than the shit boxes the ussr made its people live in fag

>being this delusional
classcucks never change.

The USSR was building a socialist society, but failed. And you being French, Napoleon made himself emperor. We didn't go from Feudalism to Liberalism (Capitalism) over night either.

>posts right wing plant to ensure tory victory

Of course you're from Germany

This. Under socialism everyone lives in a tent except the government so it's fair and no one feels jealous.

What a bunch of fags they all look like they need a good long over due shower

What kind of faggot is proud to say "I'm too stupid and unskilled to get what I want, the government should control everything in my life"

This is essentially communism, you have nothing to strive for, you have nothing to build towards. You are fucking robot waiting in line for your food.

Fuck off kike.

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How come it had the fastest growing economy in the west then?

Why don't I? I use facts and all that you use is anecdotal evidence and that's even if you're from Yugoslavia.

I don't support either of them I support re education camps for capitalists/fascists who protest and lie.

kek

also sage

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he's the hero the labour needs. he'll save the labour from the swamp called liberalism.
no you are wrong. classcucks don't live in tents. they live in gulags.
look, retard, you are not even talking about communism. a state does not exist in a communist society.
even for an american you are too stupid.

Great post

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Based Turk. Can you hurry up and boot Erdogan out?

>implying that any communist country has ever truly been ran by 'the working class'

Fuck off you dune coon, communism is the fastest and easiest way to fuck over a population of millions.

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>A Scandinavian model comes closest to perfection

Definitely. Why don't more people see that?

we will boot him out as soon as possible. or else a civil war will break out.
>communist country

Both the USSR and Maoist China crumbled from within though (it was not outside pressure that made the coups after Stalin and Mao died).

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Since when do socialists only care about economics? :^)
>How come it had the fastest growing economy in the west then?
1 to 10 is a 9,000% increase.
8 to 10 is a only a 20% increase.

Maybe if you had the benefit of a non-state ruined education you could understand this.

>handsome
>funny
>convincing

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Then expect your threads to get took over by people that ain't complete cock munching retarded commies then

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No need to be derisive, faggot. I just pointed out how both incur in labelling stuff redundantly. For example, labelling the word "candidate" in each puppet, it's obvious what it represents.

>sniff

That wasn't derision.

Yup, and the ones that weren't free just charged an affordable price.

Better dead than red

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You're saying that Yugoslavia would be better under Western European style capitalism even though only one capitalist country had better growth than it and that was South Korea the workers paradise kek

So I like the idea of seizing the means of production and providing workers with their own means.
I don't like modern feminism, forced multiculturalism, treating mental illnesses with gender reassignment surgery, open borders, and anti-white anti-male policies.

Where do I go to shitpost?

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>muh no state in a communist utopia!

>posts stalin

>stalin ending russian famine

>more deaths due to famine under USSR than before

>universal education

>kids being taught that wheat has bourgeoisie privilege over garden weeds

top fucking kek

you're a nazbol

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This seems like a good place to start dumping my NatSoc folder.

Don't mind me.

> Commie revolutions in Soviet Union, China, Vietnam, Cuba, etc.

> Implying these were good times

Maybe compared to your roach shack, but not to people in America.

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Daily reminder that Marxism/Socialism/Communism/Globalism is a Jewish ideology.

>baby want a safe space?

>ha! now you're a pussy just like us commies!

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en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Droughts_and_famines_in_Russia_and_the_Soviet_Union
as i said before. in a communist society a state does not exist.
ok

>A Scandinavian model comes closest to perfection

Because it's 95% white.

The other 5% are the ones who actually benefit from socialist policy.

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Shut up roach your opinion as zero vaule

I don't think you understand what economic growth means. A growth of 1,000% from zero is still zero.

Don't give these retards the time of day. I know more about leftism than they do, which is why I'm NatSoc, not a filthy commie.

TAKE THE REICHPILL:

collectively run farms are great though. far more productive and less environmentally damaging than corporate chain farms. helps bring people together. also was the norm for literally thousands of years before capitalists enclosed land in the 17th century

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In the beginning they come for our perfume but I was relaxed because I do not use perfume.
Then they came for our...

You all know how it goes.

Go to work, Germanistan dweller.

>implying we support liberal feminism/bourgeois feminism
>caring about culture
>Mass immigration is codeword for capitalist profits
>caring about what other people do with their body

>so called "anti white" and "anti male" policies
to the gulag

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>this kills the socialist

Why don't these fucking morons understand that socialism and capitalism would never work in a country as large or as diverse as ours.

Reminder that bullshit /leftypol/ is the ultimate form identity politics, despite what you cunts claim.

When will Erdogan and the Manlet nuke all of the butthurt belt?

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Test

Ahmed, is this the part where you tell me the communism that starved millions and millions of people wasn't.....

> REAL COMMUNISM

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Hail victory 28

>(((Karl Marx)))

You just don't get it, do you?

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>private property,capital accumulation and private ownership of the MOP
>Socialist

The collectivization did not stop famines, it, in fact, spread them around to other conquered countries

>muh no state!

>it doesn't count!

>no TRUE communist state!

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>Soros
>Communist

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>socailist Yugoslavia is simultaneously socialist and not socialist

>state property is private property

>I can't fucking read

>having to buy things at a store
>socialism

lulwut

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>(((You)))
>reading comprehension

What bad are we done to them?
Based guys go and dry the well of those who do bad things to them not start bombing left and right.

communist welcome refugees and then cry about capitalism.

capitalist welcome refugees and then cry about the right-wing.
remember all merchants have no country.

Already infiltrated your autistic group m8 :^)
Hitler wasn't a socialist

leave.

It's not, but it wouldn't matter if it was. also

>soros
>anything more than a generic liberal capitalist

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That's American education.

Think I'll stay

Yeah collective farms worked so well for Stalin :^)

Poor capitalist countries have also suffered hyperinflation
Ehem ehem "weimar republic" ehem ehem

>Hitler wasn't a socialist
wew, first Yugoslavia, now Hitler.

What is it then because it isn't socialism??
ps it's en.wikipedia.org/wiki/State_capitalism

Huge capitalist families (Krupp for example) existed in
i'm telling you that the russian famines always existed in Russia till Stalin
>The collectivization did not stop famines
it did. The last major famine in the Soviet Union took place in 1947.
>communist welcome refugees
you do realize communists actually don't take refugees in right?
this is why there were no turks in east berlin.

Marxist theory is created by Karl Marx (Jew) and Engels (Not a Jew)

Furthered by Lenin (and arguably by Stalin/Mao) in Marxism-Leninism. None of them Jews.

>Soros
Are you for real? He is a hyper-Capitalist rat, that even worked for the Nazis during WW2
youtube.com/watch?v=c1Qr7TnWG74

I voted to leave the EU, as did plenty of other socialists. Try again stormie.

Ok but why do you so called communists even have a gulag? Isn't the very idea of forced labor camps opposed to the proletariat?

Socialism is for the weak and the failures.

I grew up in rural new york. My family escaped communism in the 80's during the bloody solidarity movements. We never got welfare or any assistance. Growing up my dad had to hunt and kill deer out of season to provide us with enough food. My mom worked 6 months of the year a maid during ski season so we would have enough firewood during the winter. Where was the great generous state of new york for me? We were too white for welfare. All the govt dole went to the niggers in yonkers and the jews in kiryas joel. And after 30 years nothing's fucking changed. The poor white people all over this country are miserable while the 'minorities' live like kings off the white man's hardwork!

Fuck you, Fuck karl marx and fuck your ideology too.

The same people who want redistribution of wealth are those who never worked a day in their lives!

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Why are socialists so fucking unlikable?

Dude, you are like rich, like too rich, like the richest, you could do anything we do and do It better. You have the means

>Richard Spencer
Jared Taylor may be kind of handsome and charismatic for his age but Richard Spencer is fucking retarded and the opposite of all that.

Yugoslavia was

Hitler wasn't
pastebin.com/wV97RYQT

Sure you did big cuck. Go suck more black dick like communists love to do

Were there any practices of Socialism/Communism that were overall successful, lads?

Is leftypol invading?

only on pol and in places where people refuse to read a book (pakistan, saudi arabia, usa etc)

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Because you are in a right wing forum

what do you mean?

They did though. Agricultural output soared. The USSR was put on a crash course to get it up to par.

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And we (sweden lol) are coming closer and closer to shutting down the entire welfare state.

Turns out you cant have massive amounts of unskilled immigrants coming over and leeching off the system.

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fuck off commie

lefidology did more damage (for 45 years) than the t*rk-roaches for 4 centuries

Clearly it's socialism, wealth is being redistributed by the state, that is not private property

>state capitalism

Made up commie spook desu

>it eventually stopped therefore it worked

Not quite what I meant

You're thinking of the Redditors/ Sanders fans that call themselves Socialist and don't know what it means. Most Socialists actually believe in Socialism in One Country. I am not a Socialist though.

Everyone who's wishing for communism never lived in it.
Fucking millenials

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I'm talking about the Soros picture with the hammer and sickle.
>If you don't believe a magnate financist is in favor of an ideology that seeks to abolish private property and money, you must be a jew
Ebin.

We had Gulags in the 60s and you still have paid for profit prisons.
Places like Yugoslavia didn't have them though

I voted against joining EU.

Just an example of a country that followed a strong leftist ideology and was successful, fellow Ottoman.

>no TRUE communism
>this time is different
>you are oppressed but you don't know it yet!

>look at all the socialism this guy is enjoying

>wait none of it's actually socialism because the state did it

Make up your mind you dumb fuck

The key factor of socialism and communism is cooperation among the people. We fucking hate each other here, which is why capitalism works for us. I don't want to work to feed some nigger in the ghetto across the city. I want to work to provide for myself and my family.

Socialism would never work because we don't trust our government, they have their hands in too much shit as it stand right now.

cyka blyat

I don't go there, bit too cliquey

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Yet Yugoslavia had private ownership. :^)

Because they're insecure, wretched and delusional.
johnchambersslu.weebly.com/uploads/2/4/8/5/24852857/schlenkeretal_jrp_2012.pdf
gsb.stanford.edu/sites/gsb/files/publication-pdf/Belmi Neale Mirror Mirror OBHDP.pdf
journalism.org/2014/10/21/political-polarization-media-habits/
plosone.org/article/fetchObject.action?uri=info:doi/10.1371/journal.pone.0050092&representation=PDF

>Places like Yugoslavia didn't have them though
Hahaha, you've really no idea what you're talking about.

It will never work you idiots. You have even less of an understanding of reality than far right people.

Lenin was a Jew. You're forgetting Trotsky as well, and the huge Jewish influence in the Communist parties of Europe. 9 out of 10 of the leaders of the Communist revolution in Germany were Jewish. Pic related is Jews in the USSR.

What the fuck is that thing

pathetic.
it did not "eventually" stop. the famine did not magically disappear. what are you even talking about?
Lenin did not even know that he had jewish heritage. His sister found out that after his demise.
cyka blyat

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To Goli you go.

A brave socialist worker.

The gulags were used to imprison class enemies. Much the same way that the Red Scare and McCarthyists rounded up suspected communists in your country.

The state is a tool to be used to crush your class enemy.

I wonder how fun it was for socialists when the government ran out of toothpaste or toilet paper? Wonder if they all felt good since EVERYONE had equally shitty breath and shitty assholes?

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Why don't you follow a more individualistic philosophy such as Anarcho-Capitalism, Cred Forums?

Fake Nazi propaganda/fake sources.

Hi great-grandfather was a Jew, does not make him a Jew

>forced collectivism eventually worked therefore it's a good system

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You are already semisocialist, you wouldnt even notice the transition, hell, probably America IS already socialist

If clinton wins dont expect less

>Anarcho-Capitalism (contradiction btw)

>individualistic
>not just plain retarded
pls

I'm Venezuelan and I'm:

1 Hungry but we have no food
2 In need of medicine but we have none
3 Trying to save for the future but hyperinflation

But at least we have the revolution!

>people confined within capitalism using capitalist methods horror

Sometimes i miss chavez too.

>something I disagree with, therefore fake and nazi

>jee why do so many people not trust soviet sources?

You needed to test it out to come to this conclusion?
Only thing you had to do is read commentators commenting in our e-media. Norway owned media here even shut down one commentary in estonian e-media ...

Also to all the people mocking the 'it's not real socialism' argument.

I'm a NatSoc, I hate commies, but this is very misunderstood.
People who say this are usually Marxists. Marxism defines a classless, stateless society with worker ownership over the means of production. Hence, real communism (Marxism) has never been tried, since the outcome has always resulted in Marxism-Leninism, Maoism, Stalinism, Titoism, or Hoxhaism.
Personally I think Marxism is a pipe dream is that is unattainable and undesirable, but it pays to at least understand their ideology.

Cool story m8 sure that was easy from your mums basement fag

>socialist state
>marxism
dumb jerrycuck cunt

communist merchants took allot of edward bellamy ideas and called them Karl Marx ideas....

equality was a form from edward bellamy that the government and the people are equal it was never about cucking another race like the commie fags told everyone.

equality = government/the people

You are a retard if you think we are a socialist country.... everything we have and everything we have achieved is due to the ability to work as hard as we want to get what we want. You do not have either of these things in communism or socialism.

>Marx chooses decadent bourgeoisie luxury graveyard before he dies
>HUURRR HE WAS CONFINED TO CAPITALISM

Gas yourself

>Personally I think Marxism is a pipe dream is that is unattainable and undesirable, but it pays to at least understand their ideology.
In my opinion we are still too primitive to achieve full/pure communism. We are technologically backward. When we improve our means of production technologically and automate everything we will finally be able to achieve full communism and gulag all the crapitalists and cucks.
that's called "primary stage of socialism" i gu

Yes he did, he was a crypto.

Even some Communists agree, like your roach friend. If you're so sure, post proof debunking my claim.

It's not an argument, it's autism:

>constantly agitate for the state to implement communism

>programs fuck up

>well a real communist society wouldn't even have a state

Then don't agitate for the state to implement Communism

bump, kamrat.

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>Communism
>not delusional fantasy

Why work for the people when they will not care about you and leave you to die along with millions of others?

>crypto
i chuckled.
guess*

m.youtube.com/watch?v=y3qkf3bajd4

>"we" are still too primitive

>we

No state in Marxism.

So can you stop trying until post-scarcity then?

Kill yourself kraut

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>something I disagree with, therefore fake and nazi

:) :) :) :) :)

This is brought up in every thread like this, in every forum with brainwashed autists like you and the Brit. I have read the sources of all the claims, never led me to anything. It's fake. Sure, they were over-represented, but nowhere near being in control or to make all of Communism a Jewish conspiracy against the white man. Jews are over-represented in Capitalist America too.

I dont think you understand. Socialism is about government spending, not about what you perceive your country work ethics to be

epic meme.
what does feminism have to do with class struggle or marxism in general?

God damn you commie pieces of shit.
I would personally love to throw each and every one of you out of a helicopter.

So is that thing XX or XY?

>I assure you I have read all the sources and they are fake

>instantly dismisses sources as fake

Gee, it's almost like you are entirely full of shit

and i would love to throw you into a gulag.

I'm talking about the people that have to maintain it through charging fees, fool. Workers charging their fellow workers. The nature of capitalism means money as a means of exchange dominates everything. Commodity fetishism. I don't even particularly care about Marx's grave, it's more a general reflection on the structure of society itself

because if you don't you will get thrown into gulag

stalin's big mistake was not going far enough

In 1992 the Forbes top 100 richest people had $300 billion USD. That's quintupled to $7.1 trillion USD today.

I said:
>I think Marxism is a pipe dream is that is unattainable
This is why they ended up with Stalinism, Maoism, etc. in the first place. I agree that it should no longer be tried, but you just need to understand the finer points. The way Marxists see it, Marxism has never been tried, because technically, it hasn't.

ebin

>Even some Communists agree, like your roach friend. If you're so sure, post proof debunking my claim.
You make a claim based on nothing, it's not my job to prove anything.

90% of the ones writing the US constitution were Jewish, did you know that? Of course (((Jewpedia))) would not give you the TRUE list of who wrote it.

It's not a meme, the average Turk IQ is 90, 96 is at risk for criminal behavior.

>nowhere near being in control
t. literal retard

Following that logic capitalism has never been tried neither, where are our free markets?, What is capitalism then? The rule of coorporations and the wealthy? What is so good about successful capitalism in that case?

Yes, but the fact that 'pure' marxism hasn't been tried never stops marxists from using the state to implement communism anyway

He failed, along with reaching true communism based on Marx's ideas.

average american iq is 60%
anyway, islam probably steals at least 20% percent of our iq level. we gotta remove it

>right wing
>feelings of inadequacy
I think you'll find that's the left wing

>stalin
>jewish

Read the sticky, strawman arguments are not allowed.

>Endgame - White Genocide
youtu.be/uMfk5UeGw4E
>The Jewish-Bolshevik Decimation of the Russian People
youtu.be/DC8GLciF-5s
>Jewish financiers and the Russian Revolution
youtu.be/Qa-dInQEa-4
>Putin confirms, 85% Jews behind Bolshevism
youtu.be/j6p1zxKnDeM
>The Talmudic basis of Jewish supremacy
youtu.be/CEAmtWd6aD0
>Miscegenation illegal in (((Our Greatest Ally)))
youtu.be/5NdQXOPARWI
>Jews pushing immigration for white nations
youtu.be/XpnYpQaHAuc
>Barbara Lerner Spectre
youtu.be/oZ1BRHBErH8
>Jewish Supremacism
youtu.be/w1SmKle95MU
>Noel Ignatiev
youtu.be/BOyBO-ts20c
>Mainstreaming white genocide
youtu.be/RC-Cqkq6zWc
>Sarkozy on forced misecegenation
youtu.be/I8yaiN6ew_g
>Ben Freedman on World Zionist wars
youtu.be/x8OmxI2AYV8
>Alon Ziv promoting interracial couples
youtu.be/8RWP8Pws9mw
>Alon Ziv defending Jews refusing to breed outside their race
archive.is/1Mzb9
>The Frankfurt School of Cultural Marxism
youtu.be/QY82qNWMaaE

Communism never had socialism they had lower-class communism so what are you Upper-class communism....

I see the same pictures, the same numbers and same claims all over internet.Their sources lead to nothing.

>I've read the sources and they're wrong

>oh wait, uh, actually it turns out you can't even read the sources

Look at them goalposts move

I'm not even trying to get involved but I LOVE the impotent rage you get in these threads like it is golden
hopefully this thing survives so I can keep getting some laughs from this catastrophy

kikes

Socialism, communism is incompatible with the state, "comunist" use the state to impose socialism using as an argument the promise of future stateless communism

Same way your government justifies its rule with the promise of endless prosperity and capitalist growth