Post the closest to your ideal government
Bump because these take a while to fill out
>no weed
into the trash
Leave it up to the states :^))))
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r8 me
>average moderate/10
You're alright
I think I just have a wishy-washy gov't that doesn't wanna let many people in.
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who else /monarchist/ here
Would shrink the budget for education to 10% and shrink the environment budget to 5%, but they have blocked off values instead of fluid sliders
>all the modernist lolberts in this thread.
>not being part of the Strasserist National Socialist master race.
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>wanting big daddy government to tell you what to do
All I heard was "I'm a huge fucking cuck".
Isolationist Minarchist here.
Fuck modern society, huge corporations and government bullshit with way too many people and overbearing technologies.
Give me small, family oriented, isolated communes that trade freely.
>Would rather live his entire life as a wage slave with no regulations on the economy,
>Doesn't want to build the ideal state.
>Doesn't realize that the (((capitalists))) import third world labor to lower the wages of the white working class.
You need to wake up senpai.
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Silly lolbert.
I guess.
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>government can't dictate immigration policy to prevent employment immigration
>lack of fascism means everyone is a wage slave
>government telling you what to do is "ideal" government
Nah, you're still a cuck.
My nigga.
bunch of retards and weaklings ITT desu senpai
My main man!
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>want the state to control your life
>others are weaklings
lol
>Implying corporations don't dictate public policy through financial means and bribery.
>Doesn't understand the labor theory of value.
>Would rather have corporations telling you what to do.
You're the only cuck here.
Something like this;
Heil.
gays shouldn't get any tax breaks for marriage when they can't produce the next generation of taxpayers
and that's all marriage is
you don't need the state to validate your love for someone tbqhwyf
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>labor theory of value
Get the fuck out. Now. And take your fucking Marxist bullshit with you, you ginormous fucking faggot.
>those taxes
Lmao you would think you Canadians by now would be tired of killing economies.
The only correct options
my nigga
I'm a Strasserist you gigantic faggot. The difference between national socialism and Marxism is that one seeks to destroy nations, the other seeks to empower them.
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>72% consumption tax
Great, now no one buys anything, companies don't make any money, and your entire economy tanks. Good job, you just collapsed an economy.
>no free speech against muh almighty state
>muh gays stop liking what I dont
>that military
Edgy
its maximum consumption tax, it could be applied to stuff like alcohol and yachts or something
You can't have a land tax, nor does it want you to allocate any of your budget towards administration or policing.
Labor theory of value is a pillar of Marxist economics, and it's a huge load of bullshit. Prices of goods are determined by what people are willing to pay for them, period, no matter how much you may wish it weren't so. If the price is too high, you won't sell anything, and if you don't sell anything you don't make any money. Supply and demand determines prices, and anyone who claims otherwise is deluding themselves.
> yes to brothels
>nothing for the population in education and pensions etc
you need to be gassed
Oh, the image it gives you doesn't include all the knobs.
Fixed.
What I was going for was maximum eugenic environment. Thoughts and criticism?
On top of that there is a maximum 74% capital gains tax. The stock market acts as cash flow for companies with a lot of non-liquid assets. Without that cash flow they can't do things like pay bills or buy materials, and with such a high capital gains tax people have no incentive to invest in stocks.
I don't really like these minimum wage options. Universal laws don't work obviously the cost of living in one place is different from others.
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What's wrong with forcing sexual slavery on the conquered populations just like the Japanese did?
This thread is eye opening as to why Cred Forums is so shit these days.
>labor theory of value
>all these retards with equal spending/income
>allowing your men to fuck animals
Nothing too flashy/fashy. Just religious/speech laws to protect Christian identity.
Really torn between Confederacy and Supranatural government. I believe in increasingly autonomous, independent and sustainable communities and feel that a strong federal government empowers itself to do evil.
I think a supranatural government would better emphasize the interests of each independent state on a world stage, though.
Going with multi-party democracy either way.
It's degenerate
>Wanting anything to do with subhumans
>Sticking your dick in a subhuman
>Implying wage labor isn't a form of coercion.
>Implying capitalism isn't the most Jewish system ever devised.
>Implying a market can't exist in a system comprised of worker owned cooperatives instead of businesses.
Daily reminder. Pic related.
need mo money fo dem programz
There are some things you do need a central government for but if it's too weak you get the articles of confederation and if it's too strong you get the EU. It's a very fine line.
Budget options are NOT autist-friendly. Be careful, dudes.
A Christian Holy empire led by Emperor Trump
the dream
>hah that's a good argument, but these 4 capitalists are JEWISH! Checkmate!
what is this somalia simulator?
>Literally the philosopher kings of libertarianism.
>Just 4 capitalists.
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I tried my best. Nothing like the Fed in my ideal government, which means there wouldn't be shit like the Rothschilds either. I think a government should look to protecting its citizens, which means being there to protect them from being exploited to an extent, and also means protecting the environment in which they live. As a boyscout I'm pretty big on conservation anyway, I think national and state parks are important. It's hard to exactly pinpoint how I feel with this site, but it's whatever. I think looking out for the little guy is the best way to run something. Somebody that's incapable of protecting or fending on their own. Not somebody looking to exploit a nanny state, but someone that's crippled or mentally disabled and needs someone or something to help take care of them. I think a society is best judged on how they take care of those people.
>religious fag
>criminalized speech
>mandatory background checks
>all drugs illegal
>gambling illegal
>muh gays and prostitution, you don't own your body
typical /r/the_donald redditfugee.
>Implying I'm a Marxist.
Try again.
Okay?
What about classical liberalism? Libertarianism isn't the only idealogy believing in a laissez faire, or mostly, system
Libertarianism is essentially the same thing as classical liberalism from a philosophical point of view.
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And classical liberalism was established first so what do you think you're accomplishing by posting Jews that happened to follow a version of the idealogy later on?
damn how progressive you are to fall into green with autocracy
- Worker owned cooperatives can exist in a capitalist market system.
- Stealing money out of peoples' pay to give to whoever you see fit is a pretty Jewish thing to do.
- There is nothing coercive about wage labor. You are not being forced to accept the job.
- Hitler was a Jew
How the FUCK is that libertarianism? Is this site retarded?
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Woopsie woopsie. Just realized I had the death penalty for every crime. I'm actually right on the white dot...
fun
what do user what is it??
>low income high corporate and capital gains
why would anyone ever invest in this economy?
Labor theory of value is Marxism. Get fucked.
Why would it be? There would be police to keep the peace. What there wouldn't be is handouts. If you can't succeed on your own merits or if no family or charity wants to help you, the state will intern you and sell you into slavery. If no one wants to buy you, the state will euthanise you.
There is nothing wrong with spreading your seed far and wide: if you don't impregnate some woman, another man will. What is wrong is paying to support those kids. Let natural selection do its job.
in american terms its probably conservative libertarian
>criminalize prostitution and drugs
>high corporate tax rate
>pretty high CG tax
>interventionalist (how is that libertarian?)
>criminalized speech
>minimum wage
>some public state media
>agricultural subsidies
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>'equal wage' 'paid maternity leave'
>not 'no employment or voting rights'
from watching too much Alex Jones
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States are corporations, they can do whatever they want.
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Classical liberalism literally evolved in a time when (((merchants))) replaced the aristocracy as the ruling class.
>Worker owned cooperatives can exist in a capitalist market system.
True, however, as long as you have private enterprise there's no mechanism in place to prevent certain powerful corporations from using their financial power to gain control over governments through corruption and bribery. That's how legal monopolies are formed.
>Stealing money out of peoples' pay to give to whoever you see fit is a pretty Jewish thing to do.
Wages as a concept shouldn't exist. So your point about "pay" is moot. If anything, cooperative profit sharing should replace wages. Why do you think credit unions are run so much better than banks? I've rarely heard of a member owned credit union defrauding it's clients in the way that privately owned banks do.
>There is nothing coercive about wage labor. You are not being forced to accept the job.
If you're working out of necessity simply to eat, than you're being coerced.
>Hitler was a Jew
Good thing I'm a Strasserist and not a Hitlerist.
>spending 52%
>income 52%
DUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUDE.
But you just said classical liberalism and libertarianism is pretty much the same thing, which is it?
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I'm not sure why they call it progressive libertarianism because I lean right.
Praise the Lord.
TFW Everyone on this Laotian anime- drawing forum is either a fascist, statist, or wewlad anarchocapitalist.
Pic didn't post right. Reposting.
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What do I win?
It's unfortunate these people vote. They are just as bad as the liberals they hate. To them everything is about controling what people can and cannot do. They don't like gays, so they want to ban gay marriage. They don't like drugs or prostitution (two things that will never affect them), so they want to ban them.
>there's no mechanism in place to prevent certain powerful corporations from using their financial power
And you have no guarantee that those in government won't use their power to line their pockets, which is pretty much guaranteed in the system you describe.
>Wages as a concept shouldn't exist
So you expect people to just share? You don't deal with the public much, do you?
>If you're working out of necessity simply to eat, then you're being coerced
Nature is coercive, not capitalism. If no one works, no one eats.
>Good thing I'm a Strasserist and not a Hitlerist
Sure, you've only been posting Nazi propaganda half the thread.
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Education is very important.
Yes but in your last post you insinuated some difference between classical liberalism and libertarianism, so which is it? You said earlier it wasn't any different.
Is this government reasonable and sustainable?
So I guess rock and roll and blues are the same music genre?
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Seriously, difference of opinion when one person isn't trying to control yours is one thing, difference of opinion to the point where you use state control like a child to get your way is another.
dude aleppo lmao
this site is fucking awesome
Closest I could get with these options.
Rate me.
literally any country that would adopt these policies would rule over the world within like a few decades.
>1% difference between spending and income
>45% science budget
>high tariffs and nonsensical taxes
>state control
States are corporations. Find another corporation to live under if you don't like the rules. There's a free market for legitimate use of force and you have over 200 private defense agencies to choose from.
>that gun control
Suck me off wanker
>spending as much as the income
>weed
>banned gambling
>equal rights to minorities
>ethnic
>multi-party democracy
check my country to see how this one works
>low military budget
>corporate tax on par with capital gains tax
Point to one like in my image.
There isn't, the foundations of the US are the closest, I'm where I need to be. Those who have subverted and destroyed the rights and the constitution are the ones who do not belong.
Also in no way are states corporations. Name a corporation that can throw me in jail for the kind of porn I watch on my computer.
>And you have no guarantee that those in government won't use their power to line their pockets, which is pretty much guaranteed in the system you describe.
The same point applies to corporations with financial power.
>So you expect people to just share? You don't deal with the public much, do you?
I deal with the public over the phone on a daily basis. I've seen the worst of human nature. I realize that people are greedy. That's why you have to have a state to control peoples base impulses and regulate the economy.
>Nature is coercive, not capitalism. If no one works, no one eats.
The entire point of a government is to keep order and provide services. Social order is not prevalent in nature. If nature were perfect we wouldn't have a need for governments.
>Sure, you've only been posting Nazi propaganda half the thread.
I'm a national socialist. Go read about Otto and Gregor Strasser and you'll know what I'm talking about. It only takes 5 minutes to look up a wikipedia article.
Once is derived from the other. Not to mention, you're providing a false equivalence.
>universal basic income
>high tariffs
>high corporate tax
It's like you want your economy to collapse
Memes are considered as religious text
What's the problem with multi party democracies?
When has 1 or 2 parties ever been a good thing?
fuggg and I thought I wasn't a libertarian anymore.
Really cool site op thanks.
>non-sjw progressive govt. focused on strong individual liberties and economic welfare
What's the problem with spending all of your income? Countries aren't designed to turn a profit and almost every modern country spends significantly more than they make. I believe you, but I just don't understand why that is and would like to learn.
You're not.
Fractioned power in the senate leads to waste of time and questionable decisions and policies.
The less parties involved the more effecient it will be.
>UBI
>science 25%
>Subverted and destroyed the rights
The state giveth and the state taketh away. Got a problem? Select a new state. It's not obligated to listen to you or any document because it has a monopoly on legitimate use of force within the land it controls.
>Name a corporation that can throw me in jail for the kind of porn
That's because all those corporations in the "private sector" are simply subsidiaries of the parent company you call the state, and outsource legal treatment to that parent company. There is no public sector. You've been fooled.
Countries nowdays spend more than they earn because of foreign debt, if you take it out of the equation you will see.
You need to have at least a bit of leeway in case of natural disasters, or in case you have a globalist economy market collapses, else you will be forced to loan from the international bank which creates, guess what, national debt, by this point on your country will be owned by the jews.
How'd I do
>The same point applies to corporations with financial power
So you admit a large, central government is not inherently superior as a ruling body to a corporation?
>That's why you have to have a state
Which worked out so well in China and Russia. How many millions of people died of starvation?
>The entire point of a government is to keep order and provide services
No. A government exists to protect the safety and the rights of the people. You do not have a right to any material goods beyond those you have earned or purchased. And I wasn't making an argument to nature, I was simply stating the fact that people must work to eat. It's extremely simple, if people don't work, there is no food.
I don't need to look up whichever philosopher you've decided to suck off, I understand national socialism. I also understand that it doesn't work for a variety of reasons mostly relating to a large, centralized governing body and the pitfalls of human nature.
>The less parties involved the more effecient it will be.
No you just get two highly polarized groups like with US politics today. 2 parties cannot adequately represent a large country.
If you want efficiency might as well just go full autocracy but personally I'd rather have inefficiency than rolling the dice on a dictator.
>Ethnic sovereignty
>death penalty by race
Holy shit, nice site OP.
i pretended to be a millennial numale/SJW/20 year old white girl in college and got this.
if yours looks like this please fucking kill yourself pronto
Do you know what rights are? What the constitution is?
Do you literally just accept anything the state does? Fuck you're disgusting.
>One is derived from the other
But they are not the same.
>false equivalence
You get my point though.
>50% Sales tax
That should be 10, woops
>the state giveth
The state does not grant rights, it guarantees them.
If the dictator/king is garbo you can just kill him.
Betting on a multi party system is much worse, it generates corruption, slows down all legal processes and you still risk of one of the parties getting too big and eating all the smaller ones either in a direct or indirect way.
Can there even be a perfect government?
Seems like no matter what government you make, corruption and foreign influence will always fuck it up.
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>muh feelings
Spoken like a true woman. States are corporations specializing in forcing you to do what they tell you and protecting you from your neighbors in return.
States are an invention of the free market because there was demand for collective security.
it's pretty much centrist, slightly tilted towards libertarianism because of low gibs and low consumption and income taxes.
>If the dictator/king is garbo you can just kill him
And his entire army?
Pure ideology of any kind does not work. It's a fact of life.
It's better to equalize in the long term than in the short term and makes for a more flexible budget.
Oh, okay. Thanks! That makes complete sense.
Roads? We don't need no stinkin roads.
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>what are militar coups
>what are revolutions
If the guy fucks up too bad while in power, hes gonna be overthrown.
>If the dictator/king is garbo you can just kill him.
Because that won't spark a civil war or anything and he won't just execute political dissenters. Democracies may stagnate sure but they are much more stable than dictatorships.
>spoken like a woman
Says the cuck who puts on a skirt and lubes up for the states dick.
If the foundation of a nation to you is "muh feels" there's no point in even arguing.
Sure, if he pisses off certain groups. If he pisses off other groups nothing will be done. And in a situation where a party, not one specific person, is in control, the party will just replace him with someone else. A dictator is a single point of failure.
Thanks as well!
I can't decide what is best dammit. I want my cake and eat it too.
> check out dis fag
Dictatorship doesnt equal failure.
It boils down to the human in charge.
If he manages to stay in power its because he deserves it, being bad or not.
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Maybe he feels this way because of how leftism has been using freedom of speech and other freedoms to remove the freedoms of others. Like how they can walk on and destroy the flag, but as soon as you call the black man doing it a nigger you get fired. That's how I feel at least. It's a delicate balance, but someone in the government needs to actually protect the rights of the majority by removing some of the rights of the fringe groups.
TOO MANY LOLBERTARIANS REEEE USEFUL SKYPE CONTROLLED IDIOTS!!!
is this natsoc? tfw you don't know whether a white ethnostate would be better with small gov or full nanny state
We all lube up since there's no option not to. You're just in denial about it, too stupid to see that capitalism is omnipresent. You're complaining about capitalism when it's applied to the market for legalized force because it doesn't cater to your specific demands. You know what the solution is? Pressure the company to change or start a new company, just like any other business sector.
>So you admit a large, central government is not inherently superior as a ruling body to a corporation?
Only a government that isn't an arm of the people. Such as the type of government you're advocating for. I'd go as far as to call it corporate feudalism.
>Which worked out so well in China and Russia. How many millions of people died of starvation?
You can make the same argument about the United States. Our government is literally supporting ISIS to prop up the military industrial complex to appease the (((capitalists))) who run the defense industry.
>No. A government exists to protect the safety
That's the same thing as keeping order m8.
>and the rights of the people.
I thought government only existed to take away peoples rights :^) Which is it? Is government good or bad?
>You do not have a right to any material goods beyond those you have earned or purchased.
How has a business owner earned any of the material goods produced by other people? Sounds like slavery to me.
>And I wasn't making an argument to nature, I was simply stating the fact that people must work to eat. It's extremely simple, if people don't work, there is no food.
No shit. I believe in hard work. That's why I believe that you should be able to earn the fruits of your own labor. If someone doesn't want to work, they don't have to eat but if someone is working, the fruits of their labor should be stolen by some (((businessman))) who isn't capable of doing the same amount of work as 100 of his employees (wage slaves).
>I don't need to look up whichever philosopher you've decided to suck off
And this is why you've already lost.
>I understand national socialism.
If you've never even heard of the night of the long knives and know nothing about the Strasser brothers than you know nothing about national socialism.
Again, he can use his military strength to protect himself or even just kill political dissenters. I did not say dictatorship equals failure, I said a dictator is a single point of failure, which means that anyone who wants to control the government of your country need only control the dictator, whereas in the US they must control at least the President and hundreds of Congressmen, if not parts of the Judiciary as well.
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>I also understand that it doesn't work for a variety of reasons mostly relating to a large, centralized governing body and the pitfalls of human nature.
Strasserist style National Socialism was never tried but even Hitlerian style national socialism (even if it was shit compared to Strasserism) was able to conquer most of Europe before Germany lost the war and that was only because Hitler was stupid enough to invade Russia.
>LOLBERTZ R DA JUICE
Fucking maple nigger, get the fuck out
someone posted it on the other thread can't believe no one got it so far here
>its because he deserves it, being bad or not.
Or maybe it's because he imprisoned dissidents, runs propaganda state controlled media, limits free speech and press, fractioned the military, rigged the polls, and controls the opposition? You can say
>yeah yeah but maybe that won't be the case!!!
What are the chances? For every good dictator you get there's 20 bad ones. It's nothing more than an impractical ideal just like communism.
did the state own banks/media/natural resources/farming under hitler?
Why do you think I'm not doing that? You're the one saying to give up and let the government take my rights, I'm the one saying it's wrong that they violate the founding of the nation.
The founding you oh so conveniently ignore by the way.
just wondering but what's the appeal with Monarchy? Isn't it dangerous to leave total control of a nation into the hands of people born into power, not elected?
Am I doing it right? R8
Seems sensible for the most part to me.
It depends on how you look at it.
The dictator itself is the system, so of course everything will depend on him.
In multi party/democracy systems you only need to partially control the humans behind the system. Make senator x start this, make senator yzcbe vote for it, keep doing that till you achieve whatever you want.
Both ways arent exact science.
Dictators can get CIA'ed democracy can get jewed.
>allowing women to vote and work
finally someone who thinks like me. far too many useful idiot lolbertarifaggots in here.
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>mandatory background checks for guns
>no race-based death penalty
No.
What's the difference imo. I would rather a monarch with his royal house, and lives of future generations, on the line than some two bit nigger or some trust fund snowboard instructor. Canada is easy to fix. Abolish the parliament, have her/him appoint a new governor general and that governor general can appoint the ministers. Allowing parties to choose the ministers and people to choose the parties is a fucking retarded idea. I'd rather pick people at random because at least they can't be bought off by the kikes.
The idea is to have a family that has a vested interest in the survival and success of his people/nation and that his descendants would continue the policies that he would pass onto them. I'm still undecided whether a one-party government or a monarchy would best suit a White ethnostate.
>being this uneducated
Natsocs are making this board even dumber. Socialism literally does not work. Being isolated or having an ethnostate will not make socialism work, your ideal society is North Korea, a weak bitch of a nation, just like yourself. That user was right and you're absolutely a cuck who allows the state through the (((central bank))) to rob from the working man. The reason the US is in decline is because of regulation not lack of it. We don't live in a free market.
>libertarianism
I'm not sure how to feel about this.
Surprising amount of faggots here.
What the fuck are you even doing on POL if you aren't sieg heiling yet?
>the type of government you're advocating for
I want a minarchist representative democratic republic. Basically, what the US was in the early 1800s.
>Our government is literally supporting ISIS to prop up the MIC
Nothing to do with literally 100 million people dying of starvation due to a centrally planned economy under Mao. Pretty much everyone here can eat.
>>That's the same thing as keeping order
Not exactly. Defense against threats foreign and domestic doesn't cover "appropriating" food from people or enforcing morals.
>I thought government only existed to take away peoples rights :^)
The role of government is to protect peoples' rights. Whether or not modern governments fulfill that role is not relevant here.
>How has a business owner earned any of the material goods produced by other people?
That machine you're using that's making your job easier and faster? He bought that machine. The building you're in, the AC that's keeping you cool, he pays for those too. You don't have to market your product or make decisions about product lines, etc. because he does that for you. You don't have to talk to materials suppliers or shipping companies, and you don't have to talk to investors and make them happy.
>you should be able to earn the fruits of your own labor
You're not the only one working here, as I explained above.
>night of the long knives
I've heard about it, I'm not sure on all the details. I haven't heard of the Strasser brothers. But I do know the principles of national socialism and I've seen all the arguments you've posted so far before.
Hitler's national socialism required a war to ramp up demand for labor. Otherwise half the population would have been out of work or everyone would have been payed a lot less. You can't compare a wartime economy and an economy during a time of peace.
>founding of the nation
You're a real retard, you know that? If enough people demand that the government change its ways, it will change, likely through violent conflict as the state is a corporation that exists to commit violence in the name of the law. Since there's not enough demand for change from a large enough amount of people, the government has no reason to listen to the vocal minority of its consumers who would be willing to use violence against it.
You have the gall to call yourself capitalist and then shit on the invisible hand when not enough people want what you want? I feel sorry for you.
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good post
You do realize you'd have to make 60 Senators vote for your bill to get it passed, right? As well as 220 Representatives? And you'd have to get the POTUS to sign it? That's 281 points of failure vs one point of failure. There's a lot more redundancy in the American system of government than there is in a dictatorship.
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how has redundancy treated you the last 50 years?
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LONG LIVE THE EMPIRE!!!
You heathen.
some of us are just libertarians bro beans
the biggest threat to the European races is not a strong government but the lack of a strong government
>0% military budget
Have fun getting invaded.
Choosing between 2-3 idiots who have no real responsibility for their actions once they are in office is not better. Not to mention that most of the time whoever gets elected is not necessarily the best option for said nation.
If you watch any street interview where people are asked why they vote for a certain candidate 80% of the time they have no clue about that candidate's policies. In the case of Hillary women will vote for her just because she is a woman herself.
Combined with media that is controlled by (((them))) a democracy is nothing more than mob rule. And said mob is almost always the one that is brainwashed.
>free brown puss and boy-puss for all
It works well for keeping bad laws out when one party or the other isn't dominating Congress.
Thoughts?
>will suck cock for military protection
This test fucking sucks.
It won't let me balance the budget by killing undesirables.
>all those gibs
ABSOLUTELY DEGENERATE
What surprises me is the amount of Centre-Left governments on here, but then again it makes me realise that most people, for all the bluff and bluster, are actually quite reasonable people that have been driven here and to the alt-right due to radical SJW's, 'micro-aggressions' and this suffocating culture of victimisation.
Neither Liechtenstein nor Costa Rica have a military budget. Why do they still exist? Liechtenstein is tiny, sure, but land is at a premium in Europe and they'd offer quite literally no resistance. You could do it in a day. Costa Rica is surrounded by corrupt Latin American shithole nations, so they especially should have been invaded long ago, and yet they remain sovereign.
You do realize that influece stacks right?
Making 10 of those 60 senators vote can bring your sphere of influence to the rest.
You only need to partially control it, it will solve by itself.
How do you think all these questionable bills keeps passing?
Throw the lure and wait.
National Socialism is our only hope.
Not to mention democracy fails when people realize they can vote others to pay for their lifestyles, i.e. negroes voting so that the white man pays for everything the do. I'm 99% that's a quote somewhere, but a great analogy is "two wolves and a lamb voting on what to have for dinner."
r8 me m8s no h8 plz as my mom is watching.
Lies, Cred Forums is the official board of ancap.
>Hitler was a Jew
Sure he was Shlomo
damn, I was worried I was giving too much but honestly, any less government support and I feel like I'm just being a dick.
Think I found your problem
I just think the test is weighted poorly, I made an Ethno-state with race-based death penalty and it's still "liberal".
pls be nice. i'm shy.
rate pls.
YOUR SOCIETY IS SHIT, YOU'RE SHIT, YOUR WAIFU A SHIT, FUCK YOU 0/10
ayyy lmao
yeah after playing around with it a bit there does seem to be serious issues with it's formulation
Muh utility theory of value. Too bad that doesn't get down to the actual intrinsic net value or value created in the production process.
>Supply and demand determines prices, and anyone who claims otherwise is deluding themselves.
Muh neoclassical econ 101 models describe reality. I'll give you an interesting one; the demand curve for housing from about 2005 to 2008 (before the crash) was upward sloping. Feel free to think about that.
False equivalency. You can not equate democracy with supply and demand mechanisms. Voting what to do with other people's money by means of force isn't free-market capitalism and is the exact opposite of the invisible hand. You're a fucking retard. The government is not a business, it is a mafia that forces you to pay its dues for protection even if you don't want to. Libertarianism is flawed but this is the shittiest argument I have ever heard against it and proves you don't know what you're talking about.
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>this Costa Rica meme
They still have a Civil defense force lad.
It still requires more influence than a single dictator.
You're a moron.
Who else wants to live in:
Traditional Technocratic Classical Liberalism
Check out my 53% science budget
Sex robots
Hoverboards
Making a virus that turns all black people into aryans
Anything is possible with a budget 25x larger than what the US has now.
Give people their full untaxed income and if they're fucking retards and spend it on dumbshit then its nobody's fault but themselves. Poor decision making does not justify social safety nets.
>benefits to minorities
Why do you hate white people?
Alright I see the appeal, I feel the same way.
Imo though, isn't a more restrictive republic like the founders of the USA envisioned a means to the same ends?
If we restricted voting rights to only land owning white males couldn't we reach the same goal with some semblance of democracy?
The burden of proof is all upon you rabbi.
i didn't really pay attention to social issues. Ancap ftw tho
I won't read your pic related, but whats wrong with
>allowing women to vote and work
you do fucking realize that they have been through centuries? the nuclear meme family has been a USA phenomenom that only lasted a while. now that i think about it, who knows maybe making womans NEETs made them more vurnuable to feminists bullshit. maybe if they had worked as hard as man they would see that we aren't their enemies. just speculating on the last part here. but the former stays true.
This
>filteries.com
Okay this is the closest I can get I think.
Yes, banks were handing out loans like candy, so more people were able to get housing loans. More people can "afford" to buy a house, so the demand goes up. When the bubble popped demand deflated, but supply was still high, so prices plummeted. Why did you bring this up?
And how do you propose that prices are determined? Are you going to force people to buy certain items, like a state enforced monopoly?
Yeah beacuse controlling all his generals and the man itself isnt as much of a hard task as pulling the strings on a congress.
Their civil defense force is about as powerful as redneck militias in the US. You really think a limited force of men equipped only with small arms is going to be capable of repelling an actual military? If having a nonexistent, or almost nonexistent, military means the end of your nation, then you have yet to explain why both my examples still exist.
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>all that immigration
>benefits to minorities
>wants his agriculture to collapse
retarded/10
wouldn't last a week/10
>calling me a retard
>doesn't understand what a constitutional republic is
Please kill yourself.
what you think about is probably anarcho primitivism.. but like without going to the stoneage. however that would require a lot of roleplaying, your society while I think would be happier it also wouldn't be able to produce enough to guarantee its independence.
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>no education
Get the government out of healthcare, remove minimum wage, and get rid of capital gains tax. You're almost there m8.
The exact proportions on spending and tax rates seem a little fucky, but whatever, close enough.
It's a pity the only rights for queers and fags it would let me restrict was marriage (and adoption of children).
I also wanted to be able to restrict their voting rights.
privatized education. cheaper and much better than public
Criticise me.
>the demand curve for housing from about 2005 to 2008 (before the crash) was upward sloping
Better cough up some sauce on that one, boyo.
>an actual military
They don't have to worry about those in Central America lad.
Besides how many Militias have planes helicopters, commando units and foreign peacekeeping units?
A rose by any other name...
>women allowed to vote
>full rights for gays
>irreligious
>all drugs legal
>(((private central bank)))
degenerate
you're a leaf, enough said
Why are we talking about democracy now? You obviously have no argument left, but I'll entertain your retarded red herring.
Let me make this simple:
Don't like democracy? Move into another state-corporation's territory that doesn't practice democracy, get rid of democracy in your own state-corporation, or create your own state-corporation.
Uniform application of law in a geographic area requires a mafia to enforce it. It's called a private defense agency in libertarian terms. In normal speaking it's called a state. All states are private entities which are run according to rational self-interests of their owners. If you don't like their practices, do something about it. Your rights morality has no objective economic value. Funny, I'm more capitalist than you.
Dude weed lmao
>benefits to minorities
kys
>education is a right
theres no option for state healthcare under very low/fixed incomes/vets. minimum wage ensures fairness to an extent. dont want people getting paid pennies for hard menial labor. as for capital gains tax, fight me.
>and get rid of capital gains tax.
why? its a perfect tax that only hits the rich and fullfills the role of closing the gap between the richest and the middle class.
>gun control
kys
If his generals are loyal to him, why do you need to control them? You only need to control him and you have them in your hand.
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>No Military Budget
Do you want us to be speaking Chinese user? Or are you some kind of Red Spy?
Their civil defense force is not a military because they are equipped far too lightly. They have no armor, just a few APCs. They have no arty, no air defense, no attack or bomber aircraft, and no combat ships. Most shithole nations have at least some aging T72s or Pattons kicking around.
Liechtenstein, on the other hand, has almost nothing at all. It's almost as if the geopolitical situation you are in dictates whether you will be invaded, and not the mere absence of an effective military...
Women had been voting long before feminism,s first wave. The first wave just gave a universal suffrage to women. Before it was just the wealthy land owning women who voted. Though, admittedly, there were significantly fewer land owning women than land owning men. But it was possible for women to on land and they did and they voted.
why is Cred Forums such a isolationist cuck, its in the human nature to conquer. if you aren't going to do it, its going to be someone else.
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>only hits the rich
There is no such thing as an economic regulation (taxes included) that exists in isolation. The effects always spread. The money that is taken by capital gains tax cannot be spent on goods and services, or invested into business. This results in fewer jobs for the poor and middle class.
TANSTAAFL.
Let someone conquer Europe, see if I care. Meanwhile, I'll live my life here and fuck anyone's shit if they come too close.
->
This world needs more eternal anglos I agree.
Like I said earlier, the stock market acts as cash flow for a lot of businesses. Without that cash flow, employees don't get paid.
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Seems like a good place to live.
>equal rights and benefits to minorities
I think you messed up
I just made a nation with some fucking morals in life, that's all. Unlike now.
>not having one government under god
>guaranteed minimum income
>minimum wage adjusted with inflation
>faggotry not illegal
>prostitution legal
>most drugs legal
Sorry but not entirely Nazi
> This entire thread is making me upset tbqh
I feel like most people on POL are Salon reporters right now.
fuck forgot science/military
basically freedom of choice, with restrictions on the predators of society
>dailymail
>(((cousins)))
jewishvirtuallibrary.org
>Despite the claims, Adolf Hitler was not Jewish.
Also:
en.wikipedia.org
>Deutschblütiger German-blooded 1/8 Jewish Considered as belonging to the German race and nation; approved to have Reich citizenship
>love for someone
>faggotry
its not love its a sick mental delusion
>Why are we talking about democracy now?
"Since there's not enough demand for change from a large enough amount of people, the government has no reason to listen to the vocal minority of its consumers who would be willing to use violence against it."
>You obviously have no argument left
I'm not even that user you were talking to.
>Don't like democracy? Move into another state-corporation's territory that doesn't practice democracy, get rid of democracy in your own state-corporation, or create your own state-corporation.
You're right but that's not the point I was making. I didn't say I considered democracy good or bad, just that you can't equate it with how demand works in a market. Even if you originally weren't referring to democracy, the equivalence is still false in that if people were being forced to do something they did not want to they would be able to secede in a free market. If the state or private protection agency were taking money without involuntarily you can't call it the invisible hand.
>Uniform application of law in a geographic area requires a mafia to enforce it. It's called a private defense agency in libertarian terms. In normal speaking it's called a state. All states are private entities which are run according to rational self-interests of their owners. If you don't like their practices, do something about it. Your rights morality has no objective economic value. Funny, I'm more capitalist than you.
I don't disagree.
>not being the head of big brother government
>any form of government
>mattering if the majority of citizens don't care about preserving it
You're obviously not a capitalist.
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Aw, what happened to (((JUST ONE DROP MOTHERUFKCER)))?
so lets say you totally back out, and lets say some countries follow and totally ignore international affairs until it hits them. then china grows more powerful, takes over south asian, takes over russia, takes over europe. do you really think they wouldn't come for you one day?
inb4 muh nukes, yeah but what about trade wars? they can be just as devastating.
you are right, maybe I worded myself unfortunately with my
>only hits the rich
should probably be "mostly or more proportionally hits them".
"Some day, I'll own that 16" horse dick strapon!"
You might as well set the death penalty to orientation and kill the faggots.
>muh gays
t. faggot
You can always pick the faggots out because they get triggered over their degenerate selves being banned
You think the Americas don't have enough land or resources to produce everything here?
And yes, nukes. MAD is a pretty good deterrent.
Why do you keep autistically asserting muh capitalism into a discussion on the state? Our government isn't just a democracy the end like you seemingly implied to the other user, learn what a constitutional republic is.
>hurr doesn't matter muh democracy
this is all just fantasy and memes anyway, in a hypothetical scenario why not imagine that you or someone you wish for takes the hypothetical seat of power, then go from there and imagine the effectivity of government? monarchism and dictatorships are very great but with an awful leader then it is beyond the worst of all
apparently equal rights and benefits are not the same thing on here in the ethnocentrism which i find weird.
Controlling only the ditactor itself is much harder than controlling his pawns first.
If theres no foreign agents the single force able to dethrone the ruler will be his people and military. Anything else you try will either be censored or killed.
What is Aleppo?
DUDE
WEED
LMAO
>WAHHH stop liking what I don't!!
>confederated two party government
>state religion
>no gun control of any kind
>no suffrage for women
>prostitution and brothels legal
>soft drugs decriminalized
>no gay unions
>fully tax-funded healthcare
>basically no unemployment benefits besides bare minimum food vouchers
>guaranteed pension after retirement
>lowest income tax bracket is 0%, highest is 35%
>state owned bank so no Jewish interests
Tell me you wouldn't want to live in this country.
Or you slip a gorillion dollars in the guy's back pocket while no one else is looking, then shove your hand up his ass and use him like a fucking puppet.
Not an argument.
I'm not even white so go ahead and try to call me stormfag.
>no roads
shit tier
Who said you have to be white to be a stormfag?
Abortion should be legal in the case of rape, or at you'd let rapists have a genetic legacy and force women to carry rape babies to term.
I'm not
>land or resources to produce everything here?
well... oil?
to be fair you could still sustain since humans only need food and water however the standard of living would decline drastically.
>foreign influence
Thats why you choose empire. BE the foreign influence
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We have plenty of oil here. In fact, we're currently producing most of our oil here instead of buying it from OPEC. There's plenty more too, but regulations are blocking access to some of it.
Voting with one's dollar is market democracy.
People pay their taxes because the alternative to paying taxes is less beneficial to them. If enough people believe that they're better off with the government as it currently stands rather than trying to change it through force, who are you to defy the will of the majority? An authoritarian who thinks you know what's best for all and want to violently impose your ideals? You're as bad as the government you claim to be against. Either convince the consumers to support your views and act upon them, or sit down and shut up. Taxation isn't involuntary if people have the opportunity to overthrow the government. They don't want to because they like the government enough as it is to not want to risk their wealth and their lives for some abstract concept of rights. If you have a problem with such an arrangement, stop it. If you can't, it means the market decided against you.
Little too degenerate for me. (The brothels) Otherwise great.
There it is.
U.S has tons of oil, we were just waiting till others were out to start pumping it out full tilt.
>Progressive
>UltraNationalistic
dude, what are you doing?
There what is? Why am I even wasting my time with a fucking kiwi sheep fucker in the first place?
For one that will need to be a foreign factor, we are in a dictatorship. Two the same way applies to democracy.
Youre assuming that ditactor is corrupt or wont just take the money and ignore everything youre trying to do.
The fact that you have a single point of failure actually makes it its strenght. You know where you can get striked, so you just protect it.
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>fight me.
ok, ford wokers made twice as much 100 years ago (when the minimum wage law didn't exist) than they do today
It worked for thousands of years and a hell of a lot better than
>vote for the jew party!
>No goy vote for the OTHER jew party!
Who /NatCap/ here?
Rate me.
>why? its a perfect tax that only hits the rich and fullfills the role of closing the gap between the richest and the middle class.
the wealth gap is not a bad thing tho.
It's "progressive" because it's irreligious.
Apparently that's enough to be considered progressive.
>empire
>draconian
All empires have had more freedoms relative to other countries (persians, romans, arabs, ottomans, brits..) making the local aristocracy willingful to join in, easing the expansion.
I don't know if this is going to work buddy.
>filteries.com
Reminder every other answer is wrong
Why would it need to be foreign? What if a business owner needs a favor?
He could just take the money and scram, but then he won't get the next payment.
>so you just protect it
If you can protect a dictator from corruption, why can't you protect a president or a senator from corruption?
This is the real sweet spot
Duterte reporting in.
georgism is based
>constitutional republic
No one cares about what you think is right besides you. The sum of every individuals' thoughts decides what's right. That's what the market for ideas is about. Your ideas must either suck at advertising or suck altogether since they're not widely accepted. Keep crying.
>spending/income>30%
LMFAO
>worked for thousands of years
A car with square wheels "works". Doesn't make it desirable. Not that democracy is any better, mind you, since you're just trading a single tyrant for tens of thousands.
That's exactly the kind of intellect and attention span I would expect from a nation of mulattos.
>the sum of every individuals' thoughts decides what's right
No, the sum of every Congressman's thoughts decides what's right, which is what makes it a republic.
Which one is easier, protecting 1 person or an entire governament?
>business owner
>dictatorship
You meant employee of the state.
I see the point you're getting at but I already know that minarchism or anarchism is not necessarily libertarian. You're right in implying that "real life is already a free market" but you're still missing the entire point of what is being argued by libertarians and avoiding the actual meaning behind the invisible hand, the whole reason I started replying to you.
>Taxation isn't involuntary if people have the opportunity to overthrow the government
It is involuntary by every meaning of the word, you're just mincing definitions and playing a stupid game. You're essentially saying that because the will of the majority is in support of the state existing that the state taxing people who may not want to, is voluntary. I agree that ultimately might makes right is reality, but to say that this is voluntary exchange is objectively false.
>every elite and powerful individual wishes to retain their power
>lol why doesn't your idealogy have more followers then idiot!?
That's also not an argument, whether it's popular thinking or not doesn't make it right or wrong. The majority of this country is still religious for fuck sake.
>nobody cares about the nations foundation
If you don't like a constitutional republic move somewhere else. That's what you've been saying isn't it? So leave.
Can't believe I wasted all this time responding to you. You've moved the goalposts so much.
Many old kings/emperors were very good because many were raised to believe it was their duty to make their people great
>kill all non whites
>feudal societies
>make their people great
Some people, you mean. The greatness your peasant ass would experience would be increased taxes to pay for all the king's great exploits.
Here's where your argument falls down: if you don't control the POTUS, you can't pass whatever laws you want. If you don't control him, you need at least 2/3 of both the House and the Senate to override him. So protect the President and the rest doesn't matter as much.
And the majority opinion in Congress has progressively shifted toward ignoring more and more parts of the Constitution over the last 225 years. How's that piece of paper working for you when it comes to securing those "rights?" I guess the market selected against rights since they obviously haven't been important enough to spill blood over since the 1860s.
>rate
I understand this, but a man can dream.
>tfw no Holy Roman Empire
>gun grabber
kill yourself
10/10, would hang out with irl
>you need at least 2/3 of both the House and the Senate
Area, of, influence.
Hello my name is soros, i want this bill passed tomorrow, thanks.
perfect
No Roads/10
And don't forget that all it takes is one person to expose your dealings and you'll find yourself in jail.
Political momentum changes. It's very possible that over the next decade or two much of that will be reversed. And I honestly don't understand why you're acting as if his opinion shouldn't be expressed because it isn't the most popular. If an idea is never expressed it cannot become popular.
>Affirmative Action
>libertarian
You can't even meme properly
You realize there hasn't been a veto override at all during Obama's first or second term, right? They're not very common, because it's unusual to have enough bipartisan support to get 2/3 of both the House and the Senate. And like I said, all it takes is one person out of hundreds pointing the finger back at you and you're fucked.
Yeah thats exactly all these corruption schemes are investigated and prosecutted.
It does happen. Some people get away with it but not all.
>If you don't like a constitutional republic move somewhere else
People inside the "constitutional republic" don't want a constitutional republic, which is why you're here complaining about how the Constitution is being ignored and your rights trampled. You're the odd one out and you don't even know it. That's true stupidity.
The market is currently selecting against your ideals; it just hasn't been codified. Considering it's been happening progressively for two centuries, it's obvious that the Constitution will be a relic at some point in the future. The Constitution is the business plan of the company you call the United States. Of course, reality always diverges from the plan, but the plan still remains despite being ignored.
Basically, no one cares and you're mad about that.
Thoughts?
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r8
>side note: Im trying to imply a corporation IS the government. "monarch" would be the CEO
didn't have an option for requiring all citizens to be armed and military trained, but basically only men can vote with an executive monarchy having the final say, immigration fine for economic persons so long as only natural born men with children have the authority to vote.
You realize that we can walk in circles at the same way here, you cant straight up control a dictator on his own country by any means that are not his people or his army.
If any of these tell anything youre dead instead of being put in jail.
Its unusual to have these type of bills passed overnight because most of them were already installed, so theres no actual need for them.
Your country is as much corrupt as mine.
Small fish gets caught, big ones run away and return later.
>guess what this one is...
damn breh, not even molymeme is this much of a leaf, pacifist???
>didnt have an option for tax against certain minorities
they should update this a bit
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forgot to clarify im trying to answer as different ideologies. In "real life" im more NatSoc with emphasis on technological progress like space travel
Fuck, forgot to change those immigration things, none should be selected.
>people inside don't like it
Proofs? They can move somewhere else too, here we have a constitutional republic unless the nation falls it will remain that. Currently those in power are violating the law.
>the market
The state isn't a market fuckwit