Death Penalty

Exile or kill them. Why weigh down our volk with worthless people who hate us?

I dont support death penalty.
Giving government legal means to kill someone...Even if current government is OK next one might be corrupt and dangerous.
Idea of prime minister Vucic having such power at his disposal makes me shudder.

You have been waiting for this moment for weeks with that perfect pic haven't you?

The exact same argument can be applied to imprisonment, yet I don't see you arguing that there should be no criminal justice system. The point is that they have to first prove guilt.

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>exact same argument can be applied to imprisonment
no it cannot you illiterate Jew.
Political prisoners can be freed after the government has been thrown over.
OTOH, a bullet in the head has something very final about it.

I don't have enough faith in the thoroughness of the justice system to warrant a death penalty. There is always a chance that the state comes to a wrong verdict and convicts an innocent man, that chance alone should throw the idea out altogether. Long-term imprisonment, and the possibility of appeal or new evidence, is the only morally justifiable way of conducting state-mandated justice. Or else we're all complicit in the murder of innocent men.

>What does Cred Forums think of the death penalty?

Only for politicians and rich people

>durrrr we can't have the death penalty because what if the government starts killing political prisoners? it's okay though if they just throw them in jail where they die mysteriously (or from typhus or something :^)

You're just drawing arbitrary lines, angry little kraut. Do you want to argue about principles?Because I'm not arguing with your subjective opinions.

Democrat liberal here, voting for Hillary, think Trump's a charlatan etc etc. My great grandfather was killed by a robber and she told me once that she walking down the street after he was released. He should have not been allowed to reintegrate into society because he forfeited that right when he killed my great-grandfather. I would have been perfectly fine if he were executed so society as a whole would have any presence of him removed.

It's a cheap and efficient way to get rid of criminals who you'll never be able to rehabilitate back into society.

Yes. they can imprison someone but they have chance to get out.
If people know that someone was framed and was imprisoned for political reasons shit ton of eyebrows will be raised if that someone suddenly dies in prison.

You'd think that with the governments ability to indefinitely detain anyone for any reason that people like me wouldn't get (((assassinated))).

If it was possible to know for damn sure that someone is guilty, I would be for it. Unfortunately, the state cannot be trusted with this burden, as they have executed innocents. Therefore, I say No.

>they can imprison someone but they have chance to get out.
That's not an argument from principle. You just arbitrarily decided that having someone unjustly imprisoned by a rogue government (and probably murdered in his prison cell if said government really wants him gone) is an acceptable risk, but having someone unjustly executed by a rogue government is not. This is literally your subjective opinion, not an actual argument.

>If people know that someone was framed and was imprisoned for political reasons shit ton of eyebrows will be raised if that someone suddenly dies in prison.
Russia has done this kind of thing a whole bunch of times. Besides, by that kind of logic, I can say that everything is fine because if people know that someone is about to be executed for political reasons, a shit ton of eyebrows will be raised. Again, this is not an argument. It's just pointless speculation.

This.
There is a reason totalitarian 1984 style states love it. It allows them to legally execute anyone who opposes them.

Death penalty needs to remain a staple in our nation's legal system.

For those whose crimes are heinous enough that 12 jurors and a judge can't find a reason for them to be allowed to exist anymore, this is the only sensible option.

Death penalties should not be ritualized, hyped up in anyway, or even talked about on the news beyond a 1-3 sentence blurp. Death penalties should be a .22 to the back of the head behind the nearest shed. No reading of words, not allowing a final moment of speech. A short walk, a single shot, and that's it.

No fanfare in anyway. The accused had all the time in the world to make themselves heard, to be a good person, to be productive and fruitful. And they wasted their life and because of that, the nation should not feel obligated to give them a death to be proud of.

And fuck no, penal army units is some Warhammer 40K-esque faggotry.

>It allows them to legally execute anyone who opposes them.
What delusion are you living in where the political enemies of a 1984-style state are saved from execution because said state respects the laws of a democratic state that preceded it? They literally don't care about "legally executing" people. They execute them extrajudicially or have mock trial that has nothing to do with law or justice and everyone knows it.

I can respect that and even applaud the rational behind it. However, I maintain that the death penalty should be an option. Regardless if it will be used, it should remain on the table as a potential punishment.

For example, mass murderers (regardless of their mental state or political ideology at the time of committing the crime) should not be allowed to remain alive after the case has been closed.

wtf, i like Anonymous now.

You should get boy who cried wolf treatment on all future rape accusations. Making you a rape target. Seems fair to me

>letting potential rapists off the hook to "punish" someone after they've already been raped anyway is justice

Well, actually, do you know how big my JIDF/merchant folder is by now?

Fun fact: a lot of them I get from Israeli posters.

I think being born black (one drop rule) should warrant the death penalty

Christ, I can't believe it but I honestly think like this, I feel like a reactionary piece of shit, but I just don't want to live in the world that is being built around me.

Doesn't understand that was the essence of all executions by the NKVD. They were all 'legal'. Those executed were declared enemies of the state or similar vague descriptions which allows legal killing. The majority of the population had no idea that the people getting killed were often simply minor opposition to the regime.
No death penalty means no abuse numbnuts. Giving the government the ability to execute it's own citizens is stupid and liable to abuse.
It seems you can't comprehend what I said.

But location - Israel
Not even surprised.

Thanks for giving me consent to provide you with my service.

Drink your problems away and one day you might just get what you say.

Is it immoral to kill someone for the gravest of crimes? No. But the problem is with false convictions. If you are not really sure, that you have the right guy, then you make an irredeemable mistake.

As I see it the number of people deserving the death penlaty is really low anyways, so let's just lock the fuckers up. If it turns out one was falsely convicted, you still have the chance to reimburse him and set him free.

If the rule was something like death penalty is for murderers and pedo rapists, where you have undisputable video evidence, then it would be just fine with me. But I think the death penalty should have a higher standard of evidence than other forms of punishments.

Death is not an acceptable penalty.
It's currently irreversible and thus the worst thing that can happen to a human being.
Worse than anything else.
And even if the person did this (killing) before, you killing them will not undo that, it will just raise the number of awful things done in the world.

/discussion.

The whole other arguments whether it's more efficient in stopping crime or not do not enter it because you can not justify ending the life of someone permanently when you have ANY other option.
You could make a mistake, and kill someone innocent or anything like that.
Preemptive strikes are also not okay because you can not know the future but you know the present.

I think people are split 50/50. Half thinks its a punishment the other half think its like putting down a dangerous dog so they never get out again.

Look at the Manson girls getting parole. We know once the victims family is gone society doesn't do its duty to care about WTF happened.

Murder and rape should get firing squad

>They were all 'legal'.
I like how even you acknowledge the absurdity of your argument on some level, since you put 'legal' in quotes. Anyone who isn't a total retard understands that NKVD executions weren't 'legal' in any meaningful sense, but go ahead and tells us how NKVD troikas were 'legal', you literal subhuman.

>The majority of the population had no idea that the people getting killed were often simply minor opposition to the regime.
The majority of the population was fully aware that people were getting killed for no reason at all, and often used it against their enemies.

>No death penalty means no abuse numbnuts
You're seriously trying to tell me that the Soviet Union would not have executed people if executions weren't already legal... This is seriously your argument... my fucking sides... It's not even an argument. It's a retarded speculation.

Some people certainly dont deserve to live, but the deathpebalty will always have an errorquora, and as long as there unjust laws the penalty is unjust as well. And since it doesnt scare people off from doing something bad but will only make them hide it better it is worthless

>Death is not an acceptable penalty. It's currently irreversible and thus the worst thing that can happen to a human being.

Making someone a paraplegic is currently not reversible either, and many consider that a fate worse than death. The psychological damage done to someone after decades in jail may not be reversible either. Jailing itself is in principle not reversible, since you can't give a person all those years back. Your reversibility "argument" is shit and whether or not death is "the worst" that can happen to someone is purely a subjective opinion, not to mention that you can't explain why it's never okay to do to someone the worst that can happen.

I suppose. In those cases though the evidence is usually overwhelming. Yet 10% of people who got the death penalty were later found innocent. I find this unacceptable. If death penalty is kept as an option it must require much higher standards to be eligible. Unfortunately that is a hard line to draw.

I'm not even talking about using it to remove political enemies. No, I oppose it on the mere grounds of mistaken convictions.

>ywn experience that picture

WE BETTER HAVE OUR OWN VERSION OF THIS ONE DAY AND WIN!

All the liberals should at the minimum be sterilized.

>10% of people that get the death penalty are innocent

Citation demanded you lying faggot.

it is ineffective to those who do not fear death
pic related is most based method

Even if there is only 1% of false convictions its too much already. And there are definitely false ones. There is even a case where the investigstors talked a mentally handicapped into confessing he did a murder despite alot of evidence speaking against this, and still he was convicted and only released from desthrow years later because some activists fought for him. That shows why deathpebalty is wrong. Killing a murdering and raping asshole without any redeeming qualities is fine in my oppinion, but the government cant be trusted, wether on a local or national level and thats why there shouldnt be a deathpenalty. If you want to get rid of such a person do it like in the good old times, gather with pitchforks and torches and pay that guy a visit

Both necessary and moral. It should be fast and painless, but many criminals do not do these things out of necessity but greed. They are a plague upon civilized society of which they will never be a part. Maybe there are some exceptions but overall, it's a net loss.

The reason why crime is such a problem these days is because punishment is lax. Rape a 12 year old? 180 hours community service. It's ridiculous.

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All child molesters and paedophiles should be hanged.

Child molesters yes, pedophiles how are you even going to know.

If you catch them with a heap of stuff on their computer, treat them as though they'd committed the acts themselves.

Do you know how many times people on Cred Forums have dumped heaps of child porn on someone's computer? Hint, it's not a low number.

I think it results in people dying. It also as a result necessarily results in innocent people also dying (by pure chance of statistics, you will eventually kill an innocent person). This is normal in a war situation but has no place in a civilization trying to thrive.

I think its OK for psychopaths that can't control themselves, why spend money for the rest of his life if he is going to die in a cell anyway?

I don't even think painlessness is a requirement. Just put a round in their brain and call it a day. Who cares if the asshole feels a bit of pain in his final moments?

I don't really support it. The evidence I've seen shows it doesn't do any better of a job of dissuading people from committing crimes than life in prison. I'm also pretty sure the resources needed to execute someone for some reason isn't that different from keeping them in prison.

Though there is an overpopulation of prisons which could be a problem. I say we get an island somewhere and anyone sentenced to life in prison is sent to this island.

Innocent people potentially being killed is also an issue. We could have it in a small amount of cases where there is 100% definitive proof like someone said above, video evidence and such, and for the most heinous of crimes, like large acts of terrorism. But just for general murder, rape, etc I don't really see much of a benefit for its use other than a subjective feeling of justice, which I don't think is enough.

Part of why it's so expensive these days probably is the methods used though. If we're going to have the death penalty I'm fine with hanging, firing squad, etc.

It's not a deterrent, data shows this. Niggers will kill others regardless of the consequences. It costs more to put someone on death row rather than life in prison. Not to mention the moral hazard of killing an innocent person. If you care about the families, it also puts them through distress. Either we streamline death penalty where you can't appeal and accept the moral hazard, or we make laws tougher so the degenerate filth stay locked away. Preferably in a shithole with no internet or tv.

That being said, we need public executions for corrupt politicians and money changers. Not just hanging but good old braveheart drawing and quartering, disembowling, flaying, everything. If that's not a deterrent nothing will be.

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