People want $15 dollar minimum wage

Uh $7.00 were worth more before GMO's.

I waited tables through Highschool, and even started as a Busboy. Even in College I would wait tables on the weekend for extra money.

Now I'm out of school, making 80k, benefits, and have an additional 14k in bonuses each year.

I still tip people because, when they are younger more, because I know most of them are
1. College or HIghschool students
2. Single parents that are living paycheck to paycheck

but then again I do go to only nicer restaurants, and my damn gf drags me to those young hipster spots every once in awhile, they act like the tip is expected...

And a time when they're jobs are easily replaced by self order touch screens that don't need to be insured, take vacations, or need raises.

I don't know what you're getting at.

As well as a lot of information about the horrible things they do to "bad customers" food in the back.
Almost feels like the Jews are behind this one, things are going too well to usher in robotic service and a disdain for food workers.

>mandatory education for the first 18 years of your life
>education teaches you 0 relevant skills for the labor market
>people get butthurt when every successive generation are only qualified to be NEETs or food service workers

That people didn't demand that high a wage when they could live off of less.

I've said this before but-

>slowly but surely mechanize modern living to the point where labor is only necessary for a small fraction of the population
>still require everyone to have a job to meet their basic needs

>people who make small mistakes deserve to starve
hm...

Moreso I'd say no one working minimum wage demanded more because they were either teenagers with no work experience or they knew they were absolutely unqualified for anything better, like immigrants.
Minimum wage has been well below the poverty line for years now, but it's the college grad basket-weaving professionals who are too cocky to realize they have no actual skills.

No they wouldn't. There would be even less labour available and they would actually make worse burgers due to downsizing.

hahahaha yeah sure faggot. First off all you should check your grammar before you say something like that.

>$15 dollar
$ already means dollar

>People who are possibly mentally retarded, or simply don't give a fuck about doing their job properly should still keep their job - and get paid twice as much
hmm...

Who pays a bag of error prone meat $15/hr to do something that an Intel Pentium II with a CRT display and a 5th grade GUI program can do for much cheaper and more accurately with less attitude?

Yeah you can't own a home or pay for college with it.

>$15 minimum wage
>All products now cost multiples of $15
>Milk is $15
>A gallon of gas is $15
>No one can afford anything on their $15/hr wage
Are hourly workers retarded?

>15/hr will suddenly make them stop being mouth breathing chimps

why not $100/hr?

I"m a Marketing major... Grammar is not something I really need, when posting on Cred Forums

Also 80k in California is like lower middle class, it's a pretty standard salary you swedish cunt.

You can own a home with any amount of income over a long enough time line.
And if you're fortunate enough to have a minimum wage job and also housing payments you'd be receiving around $10,000 a semester from government grants.
The only problem with living below the poverty line is that, technically, you'd have to spend all of your money on necessities and never be able to save any money; This possibility is completely disregarded because welfare/EBT/housing credits mean that you pretty much don't have to spend anything on your necessities, and that literally all the money you make is yours to do what you want with (Why niggers have $300 shoes and 60 inch TVs while working part time at mcdonalds)

I mean raising the minimum wage to 15 is retarded, but what you just posted is even more retarded.

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Get ready for the rise of the machines.

How so?

Oh nevermind you're right, I just went out and bought a gallon of milk for 7.25. And filled up my tank for 7.25 a gallon.

>minimum wage workers typically spend most of their money at place of employment - if not, then still a disproportionate amount on consumer goods
>$15/hour means that most single-filing minimum wage workers will be ineligible for public benefits such as EBT, as opposed to the current model, wherein these workers are partially subsidized by federal and state public benefits

Oh okay.

NOOOOOO

are you really that dumb?

the education and intelligence comes before the pay. the pay does not add IQ

Why not $200/month pension after 35-40 years of work as many have here, or under $2/hour minimal wage.

Prices similar with Western Europe and higher than US on everything - food, clothes, houses, check any major European chain and compare prices (LIDL, Carrefour, Kaufland, Auchan)

Wrap your mind on this - Africa tier wages, white honest people, vast majority of them

>inb4 mongolian teach me how I'm the gypsy they in fact flooded Europe with

This is exactly what will happen. you think Mc Donalds will pay all these mouth breathers $15 an hour for a job a machine can do?

Once everything rises in price they will want the minimum wage raised again. Vicious cycle of stupidity.

You've got cause and effect backwards. Smart people make more money, money doesn't make people smart.

Paramedics get paid about 15 dollars an hour to save lives, plus they need certification. Why should fast food workers make as much as them?

>it takes education to flip a burger

I'm talking about motivation and job satisfaction. Henry Ford knew paying his workers more made than his direct competitors ensured an increase in productivity and employee retention.

Is that picture supposed to represent Wojak and Pepe versions of Lennie and George? Fine art

>americans WILL unironically status quo

And you wonder why the globalists are winning jesus fucking ristus

That only works for white people, though.

>Henry Ford is a good model for business tactics
You mean the same Ford that needed the government bailout? Strange.

So because some people have a lot of money, it's justified to steal from them? Get the fuck out of here, you chinky-eyed snownigger.

>Because slavery?
Because the White man kills criminals, I mean Armed black, I mean Unarmed black men?

Yes good goy, continue making profits for me and get paid peanuts.

What we need is a maximum wage. It'll be the highest it is possible to make as a worker who provides a service or goods. That way jews get outjewed.

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>>people want $15 dollar minimum wage
And businesses don't have to pay that because of illegal/legal immigration.

>what is crony capitalism
>what is rent-seeking
>what is regulatory capture

Taking yours back from criminals isn't a crime dumb shit.

Like I told, americans will unironically defend status quo

>>these half conscious epsilons can't even get a hamburger order right
Exactly.

They don't work any harder to earn the raise they want, they just do a lousy job or even worse job to pout because they're entitled little shits.

>I should get paid more before I work any harder
>I shouldn't have to earn anything
No wonder you're so cucked, dad.

Doubtful

>Go to the same restaurant every week
>Be nice, smile at the staff, tip %25 every time
>They know who I am, know the things I like
>They always say Hi, smile, genuinely happy to see me.
>Always give me the best seats (take me to a private booth instead of a table out in the open)
>Always make sure they check up on me often but non-intrusively, so I'm never stuck waiting around frustrated
>Give me free appetizers every time
>Give me free beer once in a while
Sure is good when you are nice to people and they are nice to you. If I were a waiter and someone came to my restaurant every week and never tipped, I would probably spit in their food.

>Implying dead-end jobs like that offer true reward in relation to quality of work
You can flip the best fucking burger you can at McCuckolds, they're still not going to give you any meaningful raise.

the country was still 90% white at the time my commie faggot friendo

the problem when People get $15 an hour raise, the rest of the Salary people will want a raise to adjust, the inflation that comes with Products, Gas, etc.

What will happen if companies do such a drastic increase of almost 50% in the minimum wage, is the middle class will suffer...

>I would probably spit in their food.
And this why fastfood workers here are being replaced with machines and laughed at when they ask for $15 minimum.

they will make you manager if you're good

save enough to buy a Subway franchise store and hire some plebs for 8$ an hour to make sandwiches

>7.50 to 15
>50% increase

Or maybe all the retards working in fast food would be replaced either by machines or unemployed college grads if minimum wage was $15/hr

I have a side job as a dance teacher and even that pays $25. Everything I need to know for that I acquired just from having a hobby. The people that need to survive on minimum wage past their teenage years really aren't worth shit.

Oh and on a recent trip to Walmart, I was recommended the wrong tool in the hardware section by a spic worker. So yeah.

raising the minimum wage is consistent with productivity on a whole desu

its no secret that americans work hard AF

but to go from 7ish to 15 overnight is extreme. it needs to be progressive and commensurate with experience/time

They will be replaced by machines who can operate on $0.15 a year with no benefits.
Do they honestly think the economy and prices would stay completely static and that they will cut everyone else's pay to afford minimum wagers?

Keep dreaming. Anti-buisness policies are going to hurt everyone and only benefit globalists who want us to default and fail.

>get paid .5 - 1 dollars more for exponentially increased workload or get salary and be required to put in extra hours with no chance of overtime pay.
How about you actually get a job in fastfood before spewing nonsense

Legit, order a fucking coke, get a diet. Fucking dykes always ruining my fucking order with their gayness.

No, the man Henry Ford who found the company deades ago, no the present day corporation that is named after him you simple minded thick shit-skulled dufus.

If they do tho all wages should double so if you're making $20 you would be making $40

Does Finland lack proper proper schooling or books? Might just be you though.

So the ability of an employee is directly tied to his salary?
You could take a minimum wage worker, pay him a 6 figure salary, and will he be able to perform surgery?
Because obviously getting paid more means more is expected of you, so let's just up the salaries of the unskilled labor force. That'll magically make them develop employable skills, right? After all, the only reason they're unskilled is because they don't make enough money

They're just trying to give you a less than subtle hint lad. You're dying.

>Maybe they would if they made a decent wage from it.

How retarded is this logic?

they shouldnt raise ANY wages people need to compete in a free market raising wages and inflation will devalue fiat

Considering over 47% pay no income tax at all, I don't see why they should be complaining about having less wealth
How big the pie is is more important than how the pie is divided. A slim piece of the world's biggest pie is a lot more than taking a small pie and splitting it equally

You do know that wages rise in the free market.
Nominally speaking, average income has done nothing but go up for several decades

Oh yeah I forgot that you clime the capitalistic ladder by being softly carried by a helping hand, not the skills you bring to the table.

People don't get promoted over complaining that they should be paid more for being bad at their job.

Look up the marginal rate of technical substitution

>Someone is good at something
>Put him in a job that's barely related

you can't steal from a thief

>order 2 plain cheese burgers and then 1 all the way
>so you want them plain or all the way sir?
>um, 2 plain, 1 all the way
>sooo, 1 plain 1 all the way
>no ma'am, 2 plain, and then another burger all the way
>it took 15 minutes to order 3 fucking burgers

I'd have been pissed if I wasnt there for after-sex food.

>I shouldn't work for a raise, the raise should work for me

Did you seriously just change proxies?
Holy fuck you outted yourself as a shill!

Globalist are winning because

1. Cretins are voting with them en-masse due to that very chart
2. They belong to not the top 20%, but 0.00001 most rich people

Solution: kick out illegals, kick out niggers of all kind and make a normal country with 10% poor, 40% blue collar, 30% middle class and 20% rich.

If you didn't post a frog I would agree with you, but because you did I am not for the minimum wage being increased to $700

You can't "make" an economy how you want.
The curious task of economics is to demonstrate to men how little they really know about what they imagine they can design

>Trickle down economics work!

You dense motherfucker >>

Fuck you I want $40/hr

finland has the best schools in the world you fucking goof

adjusted for inflation, wages have remained stagnant since the mid 90s

Did I say that?
No.
I'm just saying that nearly half of all Americans pay no income tax, yet reap the benefits that are only possible because of those income taxes.
Is that bad? Would you rather they pay taxes or not receive those benefits?

waiters and food runners get paid a dollar less than me, but they do get more tips.

They honestly get more than me, and I'm the one actually making their food look attractive and taste good.

t.cook

Untrue. Look up the definition of stagnant. Real wages have fluctuated greatly despite a steady increase in nominal wages, meaning the problem is inflation

numbers confirm. you americans treat your poor like dirt, and are eroding the lower middle class your country was founded on.

>numbers confirm
They literally don't

>t. armchair economist
go look at a chart this really isnt that difficult to understand

he got dubs, kek wills it

If commies can dream about killing enough people in order to achieve equality, then I can "design" a system where systematic leaches can be eliminated, the less fortunate supported but not encouraged, working people and small business owners - let them enjoy their qualifications and fruit of their labor more.

And is not my design, is called sane capitalism where communism and it's modern manifestation, corporatism, will have to be kept on a short leash.

But I'm reaching my beer quoata allocated to this thread, plenty of why Cred Forums does not embrace gays or islam posts to fight on.

checked my bro, that faggot took an econ 101 class then thought he could step into the ring with the goat heavyweight

>can't buy a house without going into debt
>economy is ruined, the bankers make profit
>this is totally normal, nothing wrong here, it's the poor that are the problem here!

why does no one address the elephant in the room? The real and only reason the left wants high minimum wages is so even at the lowest paid level, every worker and business would be forced to pay more. More income, payroll, social security, medicare, medicaid etc... Just another way for them to extort more money from the public.

actually the wages would be normalized dude. Money buys less and less. More poor people with money = they buy more luxury goods, stimulating the economy.
They might even buy American made shit again?

tbqh the increase in min wage is not something I contest, not because "they deserve it", but because for the past 40 years salaries haven't increased proportionally to productivity as they always did before, in fact they've been stagnant.
related pic is not a meme, nor fabricated. This shit's not ok.

The only logic course for which I'd oppose it is that the population would be "satisfied" with this; it wouldn't be enough. Salaries should be, by law, closely correlated with productivity/evaluations - both upwards and downwards. I want meritocracy.

>>can't buy a house without going into debt
I'm not sure what this means exactly.
Are you considering mortgage loans to be a bad form of debt? Or are you insinuating that minimum wage should be $300k a year so that everyone can buy houses outright?

>Can't buy a house without going into debt
Do you really expect people to save their income until they can buy a house in one down payment? Only the super rich and people with several decades of experience in the workforce would be able to afford a house.

Not all debt is bad

The chart shows fluctuations. Fluctuations are the opposite of stagnation. This isn't a mater of economics, it's a matter of being able to read a graph.

>treat someone like shit
>get treated like shit in return
>Ah-ha! See that's why we treat you like shit in the first place!

It's an endless egocentric circle jerk

Sweden last I checked leans more free market than the USA. Your money doesn't go as far because of inflation AND the printing of fiat money to pay for your socialist anchors. It's still not enough and this will continue until you collapse or drastically change your ways. This applies to ALL of the West.

yeah, it was kinda off topic. But damn, economy hinges on money flowing. Most poor spend their welfare dollars on luxury stuff, everyone knows this. But you guys still want to starve a big consumer base for some nefarious ideological reasons and I just don't get it.
Tell me why please

>treat someone like shit
By opting to not do something that is completely voluntary?
>get treated like shit in return
You mean a trusted employee committing a crime in a disgusting manor is equivalent to opting out a completely voluntary donation?
>endless circle jerk
Not for long, robots don't spit in food and don't require tips.

Spitting in someone's food is illegal in all 50 states, and is even considered a felony in some states.
>This guy was mean to me
>That justifies me breaking the law
Fast food workers and servers actually believe this

If someone cuts you off, do you run them off the road? No, you suck it up and keep living life

automatization will totally destroy working class jobs, it's gonna end up like brazil unless something changes

If they get paid more they will open even larger lines of credit and not pay it off at all.
The solution is to never give credit to niggers

>economy hinges on money flowing
No, the economy is not some circular model. The economy is an organic entity. We are the economy.
Real growth is production of what people demand. Spending money recklessly only created deadweight loss. They're known as malinvestments.

See Before bringing up automation

People will just adapt or die. That's how it goes. People will begin going to tradeschools instead of schools for liberal arts degrees.

I don't know of any historical reference that shows technology decreasing economic standing. Care to elaborate?

Income inequality doesn't matter. You're arguing from the viewpoint that the gap between rich and poor is too great. Picture socialism as the inner circle. Everyone gets the same slice when normalized. This circle never grows and everyone ends up being the same. Add something like population growth. Now your slice gets smaller or the government prints more money.

Free market or more organic with income inequality starts like the inner circle. People who earn those resources (rich) grow that circle to the larger version. Now everyone's slice is bigger and we can accommodate more people while increasing everyone's wealth. Now everyone is better off than the inner circle ever was at that time.

>I tip them because some of them have kids

Not my business. Maybe they shouldn't have children if they're poor.

He's a Luddite. They give the same exact arguments every 50 years.
Last time, they warned that the green revolution would mean no humans would have jobs since all of the farming could be done by a couple of people. Before that, it was the industrial revolution.
Now, it's the tech revolution. Whenever there's a big change, Luddites get scared and go back to their good old talking points that they've been repeating since the dawn of civilization

Their retarded opinions dont matter anyway because Bernie Sanders is never coming back

Waiting tables is a marketable skill you fucking moron. You have a direct impact on how much money you make based on your quality of service. Plus, waiters don't get any money on their paychecks, so they are dependent on your tips to support their way.

Also, the only people who have ever given me no tip are niggers. Every one.

>Maybe they shouldn't have children if they're poor.
Then we need to make birth control more readily available to the poor.
You can't restrict access to both birth control and abortion and expect people to have less kids. They'll have more kids

This is because you are white and they assume you are well off.
If youbwere black they would tip you

good to know the average mongolian knows nothing about economics

>Also, the only people who have ever given me no tip are niggers. Every one.

wtf i love tipping now

>Plus, waiters don't get any money on their paychecks,
What? waiters get minimum wage.

I'm a manager at a fast food place, I would fucking cum in my pants if my people got replaced with machines that don't call off and require me to come in and work a 16 hour day.

It would probably end up with the machines making all the drinks and food and current managers working easy shifts every day to restock and clean stuff and let people know there's a human element that will catch them stealing, this is the dream.

Doesn't matter that much though because school will be over before machines come that far but imagine the possibilities

I'm a college student. I work at a 4 star restaraunt, and I don't get that heated about no tip unless its a big check. I've been left nothing on two 90-dollar checks before by niggers and that shit is why I'm racist

Just face it, it's a fucking crazed custom and employers should be responsible for paying a proper wage to these people, instead of guilt-tripping (or shaming/berating in some cases) the customers into an additional charge every for every fucking service received.

I don't see how people buying more shit is a detriment to society.
It's not a flat wage across the entire population, I'm saying just pay them more money, and they would still spend that shit inside the system. That money would not disappear, but would stimulate your economy.
Ultra rich accumulate wealth, they don't spend it.

If you make over minimum wage in tips total, you don't get as much money on your paycheck, if any at all. Thats unless you work in a fucking waffle house or something though. My last 3 paychecks have been zero.

This
I have never ever heard a waiter advocate getting rid of the tip system in favor of a flat wage. They know where the money is, so they'd rather shame customers than the laws allowing their employers to hire them for such a low flat rate.
If we got rid of tipping, food would get a little more expensive, but servers would be making a lot less

>you don't get as much money on your paycheck, if any at all
This is not true at all. Every employer is required to pay a base wage. And if the base wage + minimum wage dis less than minimum wage, the employer has to make up the difference

>My last 3 paychecks have been zero
Why are you lying?

first company that will develop machine to repair other machines and to use stairs will be rich as fuck and partially-responsible for 100-fold increase in suicides

you'd probably be real happy. most would, as is the case with new tech. I'm talking from a European perspective here, when our influx of low skill refugees want jobs, and the only low skill jobs are cleaning and taxi driving we got a big problem on our hands.
Fucking favelas are the next step, and it's not being a luddite like implies but more that it's gonna end up with favelas and gated communities

Base wage + tips* is less than minimum wage

Sorry, on a new tablet
Point is, employers are required to pay the base wage no matter how much you make in tips. They legally can't not pay you

I'm confused as to what you're trying to relay here.
So you're either advocating for....tips to make you wealthier than minimum wage...but..also complaining that tips prevent you from getting more money through your employer?
And it's not really a marketable skill, that's like saying the homeless guy who washes your car window with a wet newspaper is a marketable skill; It comes down to (1) if a person intends to tip you anyway and (2) what that person thinks about the stereotype of you(Gender, Race, etc).
You're not doing such a great job that someone is running out to the ATM to pull out cash to make sure that you personally are taken care of, if they intended to tip then they're giving you whatever pocket change they have.

Being a barber, on the other hand, is an actual marketable skill in which your tips are directly increased/decreased by your skills.

>I'll have a #2 all the way please
>tomato and smothered in mayo

>My last 3 paychecks have been zero.
Your last 3 paychecks have been whatever tips you made. Unless you're trying to be semantic and jew the system by claiming those are donations or something. Jesus hated pharisees, you should quit the semantic bullshit.

Maybe they should get an actual job that requires an education or trade skill

If you are a server in the US and aren't bringing home way more than minimum wage once you include tips...

GET A NEW FUCKING JOB BECAUSE YOU ARE A SHITTY WAITER, YOUR RESTAURANT SUCKS, OR BOTH.

Every waiter/waitress I know makes at least decent money.

>I don't see how people buying more shit is a detriment to society.
Something called malinvestments
They lead to something called deadweight loss.

If you just spend money for the sake of spending money, you'll end up building bridges to nowhere. That's not economic growth. That's economic loss. Those resources could've been put towards things that would improve the economy, but instead they were wasted

>let's all become doctors and architects guys!
That's not how society works, and doesn't give carte blanche to treat working class dudes like shit

15 is too much, but 12 reflects inflation and have the same spending power as in the 70s. Wal mart could pay all their employees $12/hr and still be profitable.

He's lying. He could make $1000/day in tips, and his employer would still have to pay him the $2/hour that's required by minimum wage laws.

He figured his lie could fool people who are ignorant of labor laws. He heard that if wage + tips < min wage, then the boss pays the difference. So he assumed the reverse must be true, and that if wage + tips > min wage, then the employer can take away from the wage (they can't)

you're not spending money building the Autobahn, you're increasing the wages so Lamar can buy another set of Dr. Dre Beats Headphones.

For real man. Never understand some people's rational. You weren't assigned a shitty, low paying job at birth for the rest of your life. No one is forcing you to remain in a low wage/low skill job.

ffs MIT now has complete college courses online for free; educate yourselves and apply to jobs like everyone else does. I have zero college degrees and live very comfortably as a software engineer.

Increasing the amount of money that people spend only increases inflation

I wouldn't care because I know exactly what side of the gate I'd end up on, and who the gate keeps out.

Yeah but no if automation gets to the point where it takes away service jobs (I pray every day for a lottery machine that old people can work) I imagine something like when all our manufacturing jobs went away; good for a few, bad for most.

But that's progress I suppose, be smart now so you're not hurting later

>Wal mart could pay all their employees $12/hr and still be profitable.
Yes, Walmart can. Can mom and pops afford the same? Walmart could also afford Obamacare, but we saw how well it did for small businesses. >$2/hour that's required by minimum wage laws.
Thought it was $3.25?
Yeah I've noticed this trend in these threads, food workers are some of the most deceiving people I've ever encountered. I guess it comes with the territory of being a leech.

So once robots take over the job market, will everyone have to be some type of mechanic/engineer to help fix them when they're down

See Also, pic related

Serfs are truly subhuman

Minimum wage is a drag on an economy. People aren't going to buy things they will in fact buy less because you're shrinking the labor pool and potential customer base. Government printing money in perpetuity doesn't sustain itself. The government doesn't create resources/jobs or actual value. If for example we raise the minimum wage in the USA to twenty dollars an hour we would see even fewer people in workforce. Everything has a cost your vacation time to your benefits. Do you want to work in an office with air conditioning? This is all part of your wage and factored into the cost of doing business. If you goto China or Indonesian sweatshops and ask them if they would like air conditioning or perhaps an extra break for some of their wage they will flat out tell you NO. Why is this? They need the money more than the comfort. They need to eat. The kids needs to eat or require clothes. The USA has a problem with black unemployment. This is all due to the minimum wage not just their toxic culture. These people aren't even worth the minimum wage to hire.

>Thought it was $3.25?
It varies by state (some states require as high as $5+/hour). But the national minimum is around $2.15

>DON'T GIVE POOR PEOPLE MONEY THEY'LL WASTE IT ON DRUGS
>REDUCE TAXES THOUGH BECAUSE TAKING POOR PEOPLE'S MONEY IS IMMORAL

Just wait and see how the places that have implemented it, like Seattle, react to it over several years.

The max minimum wage should is 9.50- $10/hr. That's a decent amount to start off with and still pay for basic shit.

How many mechanics do you know working in all the other factories?

Think IT+

>tfw make $15 an hour plus vacation pay working for my provinces liquor board part time while working towards an econ degree to go into federal government
Feels good.

Not necessary. There are plenty of jobs which cannot be automated. More people will influx to those jobs.
In the long term though, if you're interested in anime, there was a pretty neat episode of Kino's Journey about a fully automated society, in which people would go into a giant building and do paperwork where they doublecheck a machine that is infallible just to give themselves something to do.

We have the college inflation now when we need trade schools and these schools in general for retraining purposes when there are market shifts like automation. Increased automation is also a result of government meddling making it more cost effective to either outsource/ship those jobs elsewhere with less meddling (for a time at least). Now those jobs outright disappear and will not be replaced and the workforce takes longer to adapt if it does at all.

You should raise the minimum wage to 20 $ an hour and remove all unemployment benefits. It'd be hilarious to watch all the unskilled communists die of hunger just as they get what they wanted.

>people have no self control
>fuck, have kids they cant afford
So when did this become my problem?

Thing with that is those people aren't going to die right away. Riots and armed insurrections ala Venezuela. That's a big roll of the dice there.

It wouldn't be the end of the world if McDonald's employees couldn't afford to eat at McDonald's. Pro tip: they can't afford to eat at McDonald's right now.
> Somehow increasing the minimum wage would instantly double the cost of living

I'd love it if some Cred Forumsack would present me with irrefutable evidence of a strong correlation between minimum wage/cost of living. I want to believe, capitalism is great after all, but right now I think goyim have been led to believe a rise in the minimum wage would be disastrous.

You're gonna make me a communist if you keep bullshitting like this.
Worker's rights built every solid country on earth, and now you're turning into the third world because you forgot the lessons during the 40s and 50s.

It's really easy towards success or at least a more manageable life in the USA. First graduate high school bare minimum. Second get a job. Third don't have kids until you're married period. Make it count and you should be just dandy.

>related pic is not a meme, nor fabricated
>graph of arbitrary statistic

>So when did this become my problem?
The moment you were born. Our economy is our society and our society is our population. Every single person is a part of the economy, whether they contribute or harm. Externalities will ALWAYS affect you. If you want an efficient economy, it is important to limit the negative externalities. That involves making sure the poor have access to birth control in order to prevent a boom in the impoverished population

I've been working out of town for two years, living in hotel rooms.
I get my order fucked up in one way or another 3-6 times a week.

I make 30-80 stops to complete separate orders every day, 6-7 days a week for the last 7 years.
I have never failed a quality control check or had a complaint, or refused completion of a job that was humanly possible.

Oh you're are just hilarious Sven. The USA had child labor not because it was cheaper but because they needed to eat. Once the country was wealthy enough the outlawed child labor. You can stop with this fantasy about worker's rights being any sort of a foundation. That socialist/commie crap was disproved theoretically and empirically by the 50's and 60's.

>Third don't have kids until you're married period
The reality of the situation is that it's not as easy as wanting that. Several people have unplanned kids, and several of these cases are a result of a lack of sufficient access to birth control

Couldn't respond to ?

You do realize that your country is only wealthy because of government stakes in the oil there, right? Your government has a 40% stake in your major oil companies, and distributes those dividends to the population.
Without oil, you guys would be broke.

>America education

Worker's rights are not socialism and I'm not advocating socialism for the US either. Just that you treat your citizens like citizens
^^^
now tell me where this disdain for the poor comes from

>The reality of the situation is that it's not as easy as wanting that. Several people have unplanned kids, and several of these cases are a result of a lack of sufficient access to birth control

This is quite easy it's called delayed gratification or self control. Don't be fucking if you don't have birth control. Pretty simple. Any sort of unplanned pregnancy barring the rare failure of a contraceptive device (IUD etc.) is all on you and your partner. You cause your own failure so own it and accept the shame and judgement that comes with it.

Then if the government must subsidize birth control, why not make chemical castration/sterilization a requirement to recieve benefits? Seems more effective in fixing both problems; cheaper and more permanent.

What I do is outside, in all weather, all year round, no air conditioning, no breaks (because I hate taking breaks), no coworkers to conversation with or pick up my slack, and half of my jobs have the potential to kill or cripple me while being genuine physical labor.
I have zero sympathy for fast food workers, because I did that in high school and it's literal retard work.

now is the american not only denying the poor proper standards of living, but also human function like fucking and procreation. lmao

I would rather the restaurant just paid waiters than this whole tipping thing

>Worker's rights are not socialism and I'm not advocating socialism for the US either. Just that you treat your citizens like citizens

I pointed out the why and how we had child labor historically and currently. Worker comforts mean little if you can't get work or are starving. It's as simple as that. It's a self regulating system.

I've never has a planned nor an unplanned child. Have I been super lucky or is there something wrong with my body? Am I infertile?!

By the way, does infertility cause celibacy? I'm asking, because I've never had sex either.

Ahmed, McDonald's isn't a fancy restaurant it's a fast food chain. The only people that should be working as cashiers are teenagers so they can get work experience. Paying someone 15 dollarydoos to take orders and putting burgers together is muslim.

I do not see the problem with the increase of wages.

>order one thing
>get other thing
Lol yeah nah, I'm voting for the greediest corporate cocksuckers out there. Fuck these people

>disdain for the poor
yourlogicalfallacyis.com/strawman

I have no disdain for the poor. I simply believe that they would benefit from a more efficient market structure. We should not centralize good intention, otherwise the results will not reflect the purpose. We should help each other in the best way possible, rather than leave it to a single entity which is responsible for helping everyone. That's because there's no best way for one entity to help everyone

The lower intelligence populace will die off, and the smarter adapting one will go to a trade school and learn how to create, repair, operate, test, debug, etc. all the automating systems.

condoms and pills have a so-so record. 2% chance of getting knocked up with condoms, more with pills.
If you live in a society which demonizes abortions then yeah, you're gonna see unwanted pregnancies with kids as a result.

So you lack any sort of self control? Do you still live at home? Do you require an adult right now to post?

That's not what he said, but it's good that you bring it up. You'd be doing the world a huge service by never fucking and especially by never procreating.

>still be profitable
It's about how much profit you can make, not about whether or not you profit.

>companies are pyramids
>can climb if work very hard
>can't climb if don't
>CEOs rely on all bricks beneath them - low-brick-fags can protest if want higher pay
>CEOS can hire shitskins to do the jobs at a lower cost
no-skillz-fags shouldn't be too upset they ain't being paid a liveable wage. work your ass off hard until they become dependant on you and WANT to pay you a higher wage so that you'll stay.

audibly kekked

>Don't be fucking if you don't have birth control
That's counteractive to the principles of freedom which this country was founded on

Because that's ridiculous. Not everyone who gets benefits will remain poor for life. A person who's well off but gets fired from his job will need to collect unemployment to pay bills before he can find a new job. Getting fired shouldn't prevent him from having children anytime in the future

That's not really the condom or pill not working though, that's the users using them incorrectly.

Birth control that users don't maintain like IUDs are pretty much 100% effective.

I guess I'm damaged because of my country's heritage, just like you are.
But that's some muddy speech you're using to prove your point.

Good stuff. Just got hired as a software developer. Life is real cozy right now, and there are tons of opportunities to learn new skills.

>be american
>have sex, burn calories
>run to fast foods to purchase burgers to maintain body fat %
>shart on the way out to make a political statement

Nothing out of the ordinary here, move along

I am a landlord and I rent to students and neckbeards with McJobs. If minimum wage goes up I will raise the rent accordingly. Where I live there aren't any regulations preventing me from doing this, and they aren't going to move because there is a rental shortage here and every other landlord will be doing the same thing anyway.

I guess we have different ideas of a free society. I'd like to think people could get a few kids and not live below the poverty line.
People will still fuck, no matter how much you shame them bro

Because you're an idiot if you actually believe that businesses wont pass the expense onto the consumer in some way to compensate. Fun fact: "Technology has gotten so cheap that it is now more economically viable to buy robots than it is to pay people $5 a day."-Kaila Colbin

It would taks way too long to explain how wrong you are.
Just to start, I'll say success is not a result of hard work, nor should it be.

If I hired you and Juan to each dig a hole of identical size, and you decide to use a smaller shovel so you took longer to dig the hole, should I reward you over Juan because you worked harder?

Success is about efficiency, not effort. Work smarter, not harder

Good because theres no degree of workmanship that could turn those jobs into 15 dollar minimum jobs.

>muddy speech you're using to prove your point.
Huh? I thought I was being very pragmatic. What don't you understand?

>Fun fact: "Technology has gotten so cheap that it is now more economically viable to buy robots than it is to pay people $5 a day."-Kaila Colbin
See Your quote is wrong because it vastly simplifies the economy

>I don't understand elasticity of demand
I guarantee you don't own shit

Just having trouble parsing what you mean by "best way possible".
Well, our viewpoints are night and day anyway.

>beer
>in a restaurant

25% is not much to brag about when your total is like $5

Man all these idiots defending corporations and no mention of bailing them out at gunpoint in 2008. Stay cucked for your masters amerifags.

Best way possible as in minimizing deadweight loss.
Opportunity costs are different from monetary costs, because opportunity costs consider the best possible alternative.
If you have $5, and there are two products, A and B, which each cost $5, by buying one the cost is not having the other. If you choose A you're giving up B.

Now take that example, and let's assume you prefer A over B. You're willing to pay $7 for A, even though it only costs $5. Obviously buying A is the best deal, and buying B is more costly (specifically by $2 since that is the value you are missing out on by not choosing A). Therefore, the best way possible would be to choose A.

When this principle is applied to the entire economy and public policy, it becomes much more complicated, but the underlying principle of opportunity cost is still the same. There is no such thing as free because resources are limited. Hell, even time is limited, leading to what economists call time preference. Choosing to buy A now may be better than choosing to buy A later, so even time is something you can waste

Nobody is talking about corporations you retard. We're talking about the nature of economics.

Also, you do realize that the government is a part of absolutely every corporation, right?

I'm not very bright when it comes to economics,but other than massive unemployement what other problems would raising the minimum wage to 15 dollars cause?

>massive unemployement
It won't necessarily lead to massive unemployement,it would most likely be a small change. The question is inflation. How will this affect the Philips curve in both the short run and the long run.
In the short run, inflation and unemployment are inversely related. When one goes up, the other goes down. However, in the long run, anything goes regarding the Phillips curve. It could move anywhere. That's why economists are so uncertain.
Economics isn't about what you know, it's about learning what you don't know and why we don't know it

It will certainly raise the unemployment of workers in jobs that pay less than $15 an hour.

Simple supply and demand. This will make the slowest and least efficient workers a cost sink.

That depends on the marginal rate of technical substitution, which is different for each business, let alone each industry.
Also, look up the Phillips curve. You can't have unemployment go up while inflation rates are increasing. If producers "pass the cost along," then there's no reason to fire anyone. It simply means things become more expensive, which is inflation

>Unemployment and inflation are inversely correlated
no.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1973–75_recession

Milton Friedman invalidated that curve.

Plenty of examples of the same in contemporary Venezuela and Zimbabwe.

>If producers "pass the cost along," then there's no reason to fire anyone.
No. the producers won't just absorb the cost of diminished returns on labor. In a market like, fast-food, or others that furnish relatively undifferentiated products, price competition is key. Firms cannot just pass on costs to customers in these markets without losing market share.

CPI inflation primarily is determined by velocity and volume of money. Not cost-push. Cost-push only reflects supply or demand shocks.

The 73 recession was stagflation, and the disinflationary policy suggested by Friedman only proved that the Phillips curve could be altered in the long run. In the short run, the policy caused unemployment as inflation rates were decreasing. Hence the recession. Over time though, the economy adjusted to the lower inflation rates and the Phillips curve was reset at a lower level.

>Sweden calling anyone else faggot

It doesn't matter if there is a substitute producer if the the worker doesn't provide a return on their labor. That's not even economics, that's an accounting issue.

>No. the producers won't just absorb the cost of diminished returns on labor
I never said they will, I just said what would happen IF they do.

Also, I've already talking about changes in the marginal product of labor and the marginal rate of technical substitution regarding a change in wages

And they can't even go fast when doing it. I don't even eat fast food, and barely go out to eat because it takes what feels like years to prepare a meal.

I can make food in 5 minutes and its better.

Marginal rate of technical substitution
It's entirely economic. Accounting is only a small consideration. Economics is more than just numbers. It's about efficiency. It's about interaction. It's about humanity

>>Give me free appetizers every time
>>Give me free beer once in a while
bullshit. I have never ever ever had this happen to me. I barely get any service as it is.

>I'd get a job if I was on welfare

the post

>treat someone like shit
>not tipping is treating someone like shit
You're kidding? Kys if not.

>the policy caused unemployment as inflation rates were decreasing.

actually the interest rates were increase regardless of the change in unemployment.

Besides, Minimum wage is simple price floor issue of classical economics, in which the above market price for labor creates costs for the employer and will result in less demand for such labor.

Inflation never really enters the equation.

this is more accurate for Sweden nowadays

It is both.

Its about ROI of the worker. When a minimum wage goes in effect, the firm will lose return value. That's accounting.

The macroeconomic factor is the effects of a price control. The same used to combat inflation during the 73-75 recession.

The Fact is I wannie Kill ..??

SAME AS YOU HAVE TALKED MILLION TOO

Love that .. Ha ?

Wow and a Brit does not know how to speak his own language.

>Inflation never really enters the equation.
Until you consider production.

Inflation is a result of too much money chasing too few goods.
The demand of labor is determined by the demand for the output (derived demand), and the wage is the dependent variable. Quantity is what determines wage. A price floor does interfere with these markets, but it does not change the underlying fact that when there is less stuff being produced, then inflation will occur. Increasing demand in order to spur hiring/production/economic growth only leads to an inflationary spiral.

Like I said, the Phillips curve is only true in the short run. All bets are off in the long run, and the 70s stagflation proved that. The 70s are an economic outlier, it left everyone scratching their heads for the longest time. Hell, we had an easier time figuring out the great recession

ROI refers to investments in capital, not investment in labor. Employment quantities are determined by marginal product of labor, or how much more output would be produced if one more unit of labor were added.
The MRTS uses the MPL as one of its dependent variables (as well as wages, the Marginal product of capital, and the cost of rent)

ROI has nothing to do with output.

Seattle has a $15/hour minimum wage and Washington State has had one of the highest minimum wages in the country for years.

We should ask them how well that is working?

So you pay like 10-15 extra every time 52 weeks a year and get "free beer" three times a year, eh?

More like you pay a few hundred dollars for a free drink

>conservatism serves globalism
then why are the left the ones that champion taking guns from the proletariat, why do they oppose anti-globalist movements like Brexit, why do they support globalist unions like the EU, why do they support mass immigration, why do they support suppresion of "hate"speech as a politic, Orwellian tactic to silence dissent, why do they support economic policy that requires the liberal use of central banks that drive inflation hurting the only people who hold raw cash: the poor???

i could go on all day

>Inflation is a result of too much money chasing too few goods.

Yes. The monetarist position. This is a result in the expansion of credit.

When discussing price controls there is no need to consider cost-push inflation.

The price being fixed is labor, not hamburgers, so theoretically you can fire 1 of 3 workers and then redistribute the same workload among the remainder and not reduce output.

The main point is applying the Phillips curve to a cost-push or demand-pull isn't really helpful for correlating unemployment.

The other thing, is that the minimum wage won't necessarily change the supply of a particular product (other than labor) nor will spur extra demand for those products (other than labor.)

tl;dr
You're missing the part between rising cost of labor and less products being made.

>investment in labor.
you don't invest in labor.
you invest in human capital
that's why ROI applies

you buy labor as an input.

Seattle has currently $12/hr minimum wage (its transitioning to $15), as well as a police force that doesnt enforce its rule of law against non-violent crime, in addition to a sympathetic-to-homeless city council that has allowed for tent cities like your pic related to sprout fucking everywhere.

Fuck I hate this liberal city

>The left are the only people who champion globalism
Kek, Neo-Conservatism is Globalism. International Capitalism is the prime servant of the globalist agenda.

yeah that's the same excuses they use for cleaners and shit

Not every one can be a stem degree major, some people are suited different jobs, all you can hope for is that you got good connections to land a job you can live with

If you spit in someone's food because they don't tip, you're a fucking degenerate piece of shit.

>and then redistribute the same workload among the remainder and not reduce output.
This is incorrect
You can't magically change your Marginal product of labor just because of a price control. There is a physical limitation on human labor.

If I have a job that requires 3 people and I have 4 employees, I can't fire 2 of them and expect the same output. There simply isn't enough labor.

The quantity of labor is an independent variable. A price (wage) is a dependent variable. Yes a price floor will change the quantity of labor that is employed, but it will not shift the curve. People don't suddenly become more efficient just because they're paid more. And even with the cases where they do become more efficient, it's certainly not proportional. If you need to move a couch, it's better to hire 2 people for $5 than 1 person for $10. But if the minimum wage is $10, you'd still need 2 people.

Also automation

Try a though experiment.

Say you have a market of hot dog eaters and 2 hot dog stands.

This a perfect market with not much difference in product. The customers will want to the lowest price.

If a stand pays 3 workers in shifts $10/hr to make hotdogs sold for $1 each.

Worker A makes and sells 14 an hour
Worker B makes and sells 20 an hour
Worker C makes and sells 25 an hour

If the minimum wage increase to $15/hr worker A become a cost sink.

Say this is the same situation for the competing vendor. Who will be in the better market share position? The one that raises the cost of a hotdog to $1.50 or the one that fires a worker?

people differ in output value. the price control acts as a selective mechanism to shift work to workers that are more capable of handling added work.

its not a long-term solution.

People do improve output if motivated that is motivated by reward, thats a factor of operant conditioning.

>durr I did muh job too I desurr gimmes
Google detected.

They're the ones that have to put up with customers' nonstop bullshit, they're the ones who deserve the tips.

If you want a job where YOU earn tips, gee I dunno, stop being a cook and go wait tables or something, retard. Its not like its hard to get those jobs.

Australia has it.

I dont see the big problem?

Niggers are scum
Anyone who thinks otherwise has never beem around them

>people differ in output value
Gee, it's almost as if the Marginal product of labor matters. Just like I've been saying this whole time

That's irrelevant when a certain quantity of labor is required to produce the same output. You can't do a 2 man job with only 1 employee no matter how much you pay him. There is a minimum quantity of labor required to produce a given output. The price is determined by this quantity. If the price floor is above the price at this quantity, then the business can't afford to operate and will shut down altogether.

> basic math, learning to read and think for yourself
>completely irrelevant to obtaining a job

No pickles on my mcdouble please ardtard

Could you please gift me a game on Steam, I live in the US and since your minimum wage is higher and there is no such thing as inflation, it should cost less for you to buy the game for me.

I do work a couple of jobs. They're higher than minimum wage, but neither by itself is especially well paying. I accept my level of compensation because I understand that my wage is based on the market value of the task being performed. I have only a rough understanding of economics and even I know this.

>Get ready for the rise of the machines.

why is this a bad thing?

>>This is exactly what will happen. you think Mc Donalds will pay all these mouth breathers $15 an hour for a job a machine can do?

again, why is this bad? the less people doing shitty work, the better.

how is this not a win for society?

>work at mcdees, earn a grand a month (uk) for 4 shifts a week.
>some guy tells me i cant afford a maccas.
Even after rent gast etc i have about 400 to play with.

My store has the machines, we just have less people on front and more in the kitchen.
Retards still cant get their order right and then moan we made it wrong.

>my wage is based on the market value of the task being performed

this is not necessarily true.

It's more realistically based on the core of the market value of your production, factored by the profit your employer takes and the risk involved in keeping employees.

You provide greater value to your employer than your employer provides for you, otherwise there wouldn't be much point for the employer in the relationship. It's a question of just how much more.

>You provide greater value to your employer than your employer provides for you
This is only true from the employers perspective.
The reverse is true from the employees perspective. If you thought your labor was worth more than you were getting paid, you'd work elsewhere.

Wages are determined by marginal product of labor. That's the amount of output produced by adding one more unit of labor. If hiring you produces enough additional output as your wage, then it's efficient to hire you. Anymore or any less, and it's inefficient

$15 minimum wage is absurd. No one could afford that besides the biggest companies.

maybe if you speak clearer they could get it right you mumbling sack of shit

>Speak clearer
Not an adverb. Maybe before you're going to criticize someone's use of the English language, you should make sure your comment is grammatically correct

t.magdolands embloyee

maybe i should indeed

I don't really understand people who make minimum wage. I just graduated college and make $22/hr.

OP doesn't understand how a consumer based economy works. Thinks the majority of people shouldn't make enough money to sustain their life.

Lol wagecucks always want more and more.

They are unmotivated entry level workers, it shouldn't be a surprise that they don't do their jobs perfectly.

Pretty sure you are wrong. IIRC Ford was the only American carmaker that didnt take a bail out check. Americans love buying F series trucks and mustangs.

Average McDonalds employees talking on a phone.

youtube.com/watch?v=iI8tuwAjh5o

>didnt take a bail out check
They doubled back and took the money.
factcheck.org/2011/09/ford-motor-co-does-u-turn-on-bailouts/

It's not about wage. The price of rent and wants is what is grossly expensive. You should curb spending if you are having a hard time making ends meet. If we were to raise the wage that high that fast what would that do to the price of everyday necessities?

Agreed. Fast food is horrible for your work ethic. Work your ass off and get shit right everytime and you might get offered a $.25 raise or a promotion to manager. Never take the manager promotion cause you will work twice as hard and deal with all the shitty customers for maybe 10% more in wages.

If anything, the velocity of money is too low. Money is stuck in the banks and where there is spending, it is entirely centralized creating an unpredictable economy.
We need plans by the many, not by the few

Read the article. It says they didnt take or need any bail out money. But they did lobby congress to bailout their failing competers because many of Ford's suppliers would go out of business if their competitors failed. They did request a line of credit, as we all know you're expected to pay that back. They also took money from the government to re-tool for fuel efficiency. The Obama administration loves pushing fuel efficiency and they'll give you money to make it happen, why not take it? But as far as the Automotive Industry Finacing Program, which is what most refer to as the "bailout", Ford took no money.

YOU WANT WAGE INCREASE

OKAY YOU GOT IT

HERE'S YOUR PINK SLIP

NOW GET OUT

I'm secretly really talented and not a failure at life and making burgers and getting orders right.

If I was paid a lot of money then my secret hard work would be shown.

T. Delusional mcdonald

Hey Spongebob.

Nothing wrong with reading, but any math beyond algebra should be more of an elective specialization.

For instance I am a welder/fabricator and very little advanced math is needed for what I do, yet I am not flipping burgers.

>literally on a screen right in front of them
>cant even read
>want $15 an hour

Fuck you and fuck those niggers

This is why I don't want to tip because you spit in food faggot.
And this is why you don't deserve 15$ an hour because you spit in food.
A tip is 3$ minimum.
Here's a tip, get a real job.

go to local tim hortons order coffee, always same coffee 1 cream 1 sugar, 50% of the time it is wrong, way too much cream , way too much sugar. once ordered a 12 pack of donuts asked for no filling (boston cream etc).. opened box all filling. people at counter get pissed at you if you ask them to correct your order, blame you and say you ordered wrong. they deserve 20+ dollars an hour plus (((tips)))

yeah the customers are just as stupid. i work at a local joint that has a drive through. Our speaker projects the loudest "Uhhhhhhhhs, Ummmmms, Unnnnnnnnns" from the drooling retards trying to order. also make 11.50 but i have chemistry degree so ehhhh

I'm a 6'4" chef working at Wendys with a 9 inch penis making over $130,000 a year.

Ask me anything.

>>Cost of living goes up
Only fastfood prices

Can't afford McDonalds?

Employees get 50% off food there

>$120 USD a day for flipping burgers
Trust me, you would drown in mexicans, even if Tump wins, $120 is what we make in 3 weeks, 4 if you are on minimum wage.

r u a gay nigger?

I used to work in kitchens.
I would always give free shit to fav returning customers.
You may just be a cunt.

...

The Seattle model is severely restricted, very few areas of the city are at $15/hr. There was a county wide bump to $11 I think. It's going to be a very slow ramp up to $15 as a true minimum wage, in 2021. Also, the minimum wage is only applicable to companies with at least 500 employees.

investors.com/politics/commentary/the-bitter-lesson-from-seattles-minimum-wage-hike/

washingtonpost.com/posteverything/wp/2016/08/10/so-far-the-seattle-minimum-wage-increase-is-doing-what-its-supposed-to-do/?utm_term=.cd7a2e65f3cd

People are researching the effects as it slowly rises, early results are not exciting.

Immigrate here legally and we'll welcome you with open arms, brother. The American dream is not dead like pessimists would have you believe.

Once i finish university planning to go to west texas and get a small department/house.

Best of luck my man. Godspeed.

>Now I'm out of school, making 80k, benefits, and have an additional 14k in bonuses each year.
>I still tip people because, when they are younger more, because I know most of them are
>1. College or HIghschool students
>2. Single parents that are living paycheck to paycheck

You could have made the list shorter and said you tip them because they are morons.

Another lesser known problem we are having is the law of diminishing returns as related to businesses in a micro-economic model.

Let's say your a strawberry farmer and you use every possible acre of land for growing strawberries. There is a maximum set number of people willing to eat strawberries for a given year. At some point even if you paid your workers 50 cents an hour to harvest corps you still wouldn't be able to sell more strawberries. Cutting costs to maximize profits.

This could very well be happening in our economy right now and we don't even realize it. By allowing women to kill their unborn babies since the 70's and the boomers reaching age 70+ we may have killed our country.

Combine that with automation and we have be problem, because dead babies from the 70's and old people today don't make the same purchases as a 25 year-old. For example stoves, cars, and electronics.

Which means less sales at fast food restaurants which means more layoffs and automation which means even less jobs in the job market which means the people are poorer which means the welfare state needs to step in which means an increase in taxes and in some cases means the government needs to print more money which means more inflation which means more national debt which means higher costs of everything

>pay me minimum wage
>expect more than minimum effort

Are you new here? A waiter has a better career than 90% of the people here.

>le rise of the machines if you ask for a living wage
People cannot survive on the current minimum wage in many jurisdictions. If they cannot make ends meet and there is a scarcity of jobs, they will be forced to use welfare. Welfare (in this case) is just a corporate subsidy to keep wages low and profits high by socializing wages paid to the poor by taxpayers while executives make bank.

When you keep wages unlivably low, you're saying you want to funnel your tax dollars into the pockets of the rich.

$75 Pesos is the minimum wage, DAILY.
$20 Pesos = 1USD
That is $3.75 Daily.

But nobody is retarded enough to accept that, Minimum payment for most jobs is $100 Pesos which is $5 USD Daily.
That is 3 weeks, 6-8 hours a day with free sundays and a hour long lunch break.

Such sad life in a third world country, but hey, atleast everything you need to love is cheap, energy is cheap, food is cheap(Not junk food, real food), water, internet that respects your freedom, etc.

This is why most people decide to cross the country illegally to support their families from the US, which is kinda retarded because going there legally is around $90 + $60 for the travel but the stay is limited.

If bait then 10/10
It's called a fair days work for a fair days pay, also mixing in the concept of climbing the ladder and paying your dues; but in the case of waiters, it's also a "Go for what you're worth".

If I ever had an employee tell me "I don't work hard because I don't get paid enough" I would fire them, because that's passive aggressive.

If I ever had an employee ask me for a raise/promotion and tell me that they feel they are worth more, and that being paid minimum wage makes them feel like they shouldn't put in as much effort, I'd probably give them a raise.

The whole mentality there is just bad.

Good to see that you are a nigger.

Minimun wage is not about "minimum effort" is about minimum expertice needed... If you want to earn more than minimum you should train yourself in something.

Fucking nigger.
And if you do minimum effort you deserve to get fired.

>Have minimum wage job
>Work only minimum effort
>remain having minimum wage job forever

You played yourself faggot.