Why do you all consider libertarianism a meme ideology? I am all for liberty and personal freedoms as long as they don't infringe upon my well-being. For example, I'm tough on immigration but I'm fine with fags as long as I retain my right to call them fags and they keep their openness about sex to themselves (the problem is cultural marxism isn't letting those things happen).
As much as I want to be an edgy "literally Hitler" like you guys I don't want my personal freedoms restrained just to prevent some degenerates from having a voice. Remember that left OR right wing authoritarianism never works save for small, homogeneous populations.
Convince me why authoritarianism is better than libertarianism for the US without using ad hominems Cred Forums.
Sebastian Bennett
It's only a meme everywhere outside the Americas. Europe has to be authoritarian for the future of the white race
Cooper Hall
Libertarians are >legalize crack and let pregnant women smoke it >borders don't exist >there's nothing wrong with owning child porn It's the reason I had to stop going to Reason
Ryan Johnson
its similar to hating an anime because of the fan base
Henry Martin
Convincing you isn't worth my time. I'm just going to kill you like all the other degenerates on the day of the rope.
Eli Baker
Because it requires literally everyone else to agree to your same ideology. "Live and let live! I'll leave you alone and you leave me alone!" sounds great until you realize that the others will NOT leave you alone. They're not going to stick up for you. The only one who's going to stick up for you is you. The only group that's going to stick up for your group is your group.
Adrian Reed
Literally none of those are libertarian.
>legalize crack and let pregnant women smoke it Fits the abuse/negligence standard and violates the natural rights/civil liberties of the child
>borders don't exist in a participatory democracy its very important to have strict borders/immigration to laws to make sure democracy is not subverted by a foreign population. "We the people" implies we must control who the people are
>there's nothing wrong with owning child porn It's true that nothing is wrong with owning it. The crime is making it and distributing it as the act of creating it was surely through a coercive manner. If the minor was able to appeal for their deferred rights (specifically the right to enter into a contract) to a judge and have the judge notarize the contract to ensure no coercion took place and the minor understood the contract, then a minor should be allowed to enter into the contract to obtain compensation in exchange for the porn.
Cooper Moore
I don't even know what I am. But I do know that there is no perfect solution. While on one hand a strict authoritarian society with control over its citizens and centrally commanded through a cluster system would probably be the most efficient, save for not letting you be very happy and free. Whereas a mostly libertarian society would be chaotic and hugely inefficient in everything but with high personal liberty.
Last time I did a quiz on this kinda shit I got libertarian category. But I honestly don't feel like I'm a part of that movement at all. Those online quiz things are stupid anyway, the questions are way too vague and underspecified.
Brandon Johnson
you are mistaking libertarianism for an-cap
they are not the same thing
libertarianism is about the gov. letting the individual live and protection of negative rights/natural rights
Noah White
Hey LOLbertarians, tell me, does abortion violate the NAP?
If you have a position, prove it and then prove to me that all the other LOLbertarians in your society will agree, and that disagreement won't cause society to collapse into WWIII.
protip: you can't
LOL
David Gutierrez
It's hilarious how every argument presented against libertarianism isn't actually against libertarianism but against anarcho-capitalism
Libertarianism != anarcho-capitalism
Learn the difference, it might save your life
Matthew Ward
that's good, America is the last bastion of hope for the world for the first thing it's not like the few degenerates here and there that do that are going to end humanity by not reproducing, there will always be the resounding majority that has common sense. For the other two my authoritarian side shows and I am against those things. so you're saying libertarianism would work in an ideal society but the problem is the googles/yahoos? I'd agree with that for the most part. >A
Hudson Gray
Abortion is a violation of the child's natural right to life. Conception is the only non-arbitrary time to award an individual their legal status as a person.
Dominic Young
This x1000
Mason Bell
>Why do you all consider libertarianism a meme ideology? Because their entire goal is to win elections and they don't win elections.
Angel Miller
>less loyal than left-liberal
Dylan Baker
>so you're saying libertarianism would work in an ideal society but the problem is the googles/yahoos?
No, I'm saying the leadership of the libertarian movement is full of retards like gary johnson
Libertarianism works
Parker Turner
I'm now going to play a LOLbertarian who has the opposite opinion.
>A fetus violates a woman's right to bodily autonomy >If the woman does not consent to habitation by a fetus, the fetus is violating the NAP and can justifiably be killed in self defense >any attempt to stop an abortion from happening is a violation of the NAP, and can be met with force
Imagine we're in a LOLbertarian society. How do you prove me wrong? We disagree on the application of the NAP, and we both believe we are justified in shooting each other in self defense.
Resolve the contradiction.
Protip: you can't
LOL
Christian Morgan
This. Libertarianism is about weed legalization, open borders, and carbon taxes. jk, but seriously is there a party that's libertarian because the Libertarian party sure isn't.
Kayden Martin
>Libertarianism works In the same way black nationalism works, by taking credit for things you didn't do. >muh founding fathers were libertarians
Noah Ortiz
No, I am not. an-cap is merely the most extreme and "ideologically pure" form of libertarianism. But the same general criticism applies to the entire libertarian spectrum.
Carter Rivera
Mr Aleppo is no libertarian. Clinton is a better democrat than he is a libertarian.
Jose Morales
Constitution Party is paleocon, which isn't purely libertarianism but there is a lot of overlap.
It's where a lot of actual libertarians (myself included) are going to now that the """libertarian""" party has been permanently ruined
Brandon Brooks
>hurr no one should be held to any moral standard because it is a meme ideology, we arent animals
Kevin Johnson
you're arguing about an an-cap society not a libertarian society retard
a libertarian society is like the early us, we still have a judiciary, we still have police and we still have laws
youre not arguing against libertarianism youre arguing against an-cap
14th amendment equal protection clause says that if one person's right to life is being protected then all people's (under US jurisdiction) right to life must be protected including the child's
Evan Allen
i dont see the argument
Austin Nguyen
youre comparing two things that cant be compared
in libertarianism there is a judiciary and an executive branch which enforces law
in an-cap there is not
your criticism is invalid
Brayden Richardson
>we need to be controlled >we aren't animals
Luke Bailey
we are most certainly animals
Easton Johnson
Dude, what's Aleppo?
Johnson's a meme. Ron Paul was not a meme.
Lincoln Hill
Am I being detained?
Camden Ross
It's an ideology consisting of cuckservatives who've fallen into the liberal moral framework and thinks supporting traditional values is literally Hitler. So the get away with voting for Republicans because of "muh ekonomee"
They're either shadow liberals or cuck'd-servatives. google 'nudists' and you basically have child porn
Justin Perry
>No, I'm saying the leadership of the libertarian movement is full of retards like gary johnson
This. He needs to stop 420YOLO before interviews. Between his verbal gaffs, tantrums and wtf moments and naked leprechaun at the Libertarian Convention, it makes me question the L party.
Part of the problem is that Libertarian politicians tend to come top-down instead of bottom-up. When was the last time you heard of a Libertarian city councillor, let alone a Libertarian-majority council?
Find a Libertarianism that works on at the neighborhood and city level and you've found a Libertarianism that could work across the US.
Josiah Brown
NAP too strong/cultural subversion not allowed
Zachary Sullivan
you hate the constitution and individual essential liberty/natural rights
Kevin Foster
>that's good, America is the last bastion of hope for the world
Oh really?
>Having a nigger president is OK >Having 40 million niggers is OK >Having 55 million spics is OK >Having 30+ million illegals is OK >Being 60% white is OK >Inventing feminism and SJW´s is OK >putting niggers on your money is OK >inventing affirmative action is OK >imposing federal quotas for employment of non-whites is OK >giving $3 billion per year to Israel is OK >having America ruled by liberals for 16 of the last 24 years is OK >the fact that Hillary Clinton is clearly going to win the next two elections is OK >banning the American flag from schools because it upsets Mexicans is OK >cops getting machine gunned in the streets by Black Lives Matter activists is OK >America is based as fuck and totally not cucked
Let us all appreciate that while us Ahmeds in countries like Sweden, Germany, UK and France are all "cucked", done for and should "be nuked" and "genocided". At least we still have America, the great uncucked white haven of conservatism, strict immigration laws and common sense.
Yes, lets appreciate and ponder on that for a while.
Julian Rivera
name one place better than America.
Brandon Brown
Iceland.
Andrew Nelson
Portugal
>inb4 hurr durr muh GDP
Xavier Ross
switzerland
Nathaniel Garcia
Liberatiarian nationalism ftw. Unfortunately we cannot have libertarianism while we're plagued with theocratic Muslims.
James Hall
UKIP
Elijah Taylor
You are one retarded motherfucker. >people won't agree on literally everything so it won't work perfectly That's any political or economic system, shitbird.
Jason Robinson
>right wing authoritarianism never works save for small, homogeneous populations. Worked in a lot of small nations before the WWII, in Central Eastern Europe.
Levi Mitchell
Letting something be allowed does not mean endorsing it in any way, alcohol is legal and people generally do not want pregnant women drinking. Some libertarian christians would even argue that it would be hurting the human life that you have brought into this world and therfore it should be illegal, they even make the same argument of abortion.
Borders would exist, since everybody would own a piece of something, a company or person who owns a piece of land near another countries border who does not want migrants on their property can remove and prevent them from coming on their land. Their would be no public property so the person who owns a piece of land can decide who can come on to their property.
For child pornography, the creation of it would obviously not be allowed as it would be violating the fundamental rights of children. While owning it does not violate anyone's rights but as another user argued the maker who created it and distributes should be punished.