Orthodox Church on immigration >Such an important aspect of modern life like mass migration is not left unattended. Unlike the Catholic approach that unduly favors migrants, particularly in Europe, the Orthodox notices the negative nature of the process, as well as the fact that it leads to confrontation of different identities and value systems. In addition, the Orthodox Church propose to look at the roots of this phenomenon. The reason for the migration is the liberal, hedonistic ideology bleeding the peoples of Europe and the interests of the capitalist elite, who need a cheap and disenfranchised workforce:
>Attempts by indigenous people of the rich countries to stop the migration flow are futile, because they come in conflict with the greed of their own elites who are interested in the low-wage workforce
Nvrmind, the video above. If there is a text this is from, pls share
Lincoln Robinson
Thanks
Bentley Green
WOW. Just wow. Amazed on the clarity of what is viewed outside Russia as a socialist/communist agenda.
Logan Anderson
Bump this pidorashka's thread
John Ross
It's the Tower of Babel.
Colton Allen
I'm not sure what you mean. I'll tell you something though- I wasn't sure how much of a Cred Forums topic Orthodoxy was but after reading through this, it's very clear to me it is among the most redpilled Cred Forums topics I've seen yet on this board
Carson Williams
Preventing unilateral decisions is what insulates us so well from change
Ethan Rogers
*tips mitre*
Austin Morris
I mean the EU is the Tower of Babel, and the international banking system is Mammon incarnate. The push to depose Assad is because he is not on the IMF
Goarch here. Enormous implications for us, for everyone
Matthew Smith
From the article, for the benefit of all Cred Forums readers and apologies in advance to Pope Francis, who I believe means well...
>The unconditional support of state sovereignty against the transnational elite is a distinctive feature of the position of the Orthodox Church. This differs the Orthodox from Catholics, who are members of the globalist transnational centralized structure, in contrast to the Orthodox Churches, which are united in faith, but not administratively.
Must go for now. See you all again
Landon Johnson
They are in America, why aren't they American Orthodox? What happens when every Russian Christian decides to become Greek orthodox? Is that even possible? Is there actually a difference?
Dominic Russell
the same issue that drove the schism is the major one right now, it seems
Julian Hughes
Only means which bishop is overseeing the parish, nothing else.
Carson Perry
Why is the Greek parish in the USA? Why don't they have an American parish? Why not be overseen by the bishop of Rome for that matter? Isn't this the sort of weird complicated bureaucratic nonsense you could avoid by having a pope?
Jaxson Hernandez
Because Greek immigrants came over to the U.S. and set up Greek parishes. Generally a country doesn't get its own Church until hundreds of years after the Orthodox are established there.
Because the Bishop of Rome isn't in the Church, and that would just mean the Roman Church would be in the U.S. anyway
Charles King
I'll take racist Cred Forums memes for $2,000, Alex
>globalist transnational centralized structure
What are things that don't exist except in the minds of conspiracy theorists and Anti-Semite?
Kayden Jackson
>What are things that don't exist That's literally what the RCC wanted to be before, do you even Sun and Moon Allegory? Or the Donation of Constantine?
Jackson Price
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Kayden Ross
>but the Pope's had invested quite a lot in advocating it
It was never cited by a Pope before 1054, thus it has nothing to do with the schism.
Alexander Walker
Which language do they use? Greek or English? So if an American wants to be Orthodox he has no choice but to obey a foreigner, because he only gets a church after waiting a few centuries? I find this very confusing.
Elijah Nelson
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Logan Gomez
They generally use both.
Logan Jenkins
>So if an American wants to be Orthodox he has no choice but to obey a foreigner, The bishops are mostly foreigners because most of the old generation came over from Greece, but the next couple of generations will probably be born here, it's already that way with the priests.
Elijah Richardson
I'll give you another bump, I like these threads.
Brandon Morgan
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Nathan Butler
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Ian Williams
>Even more inadmissible, from my point of view, is the correction of liturgical texts in line with contemporary norms. Relatively recently the Roman Catholic Church decided to remove the so-called 'antisemitic' texts from the service of Holy Friday. His Eminence Hilarion of (Alfeyev)
>which are united in faith, but not administratively.
And now the American must obey a Greek bureaucracy if he wants to be Christian. Isn't that basically the same as a "globalist transnational centralized structure" without the benifits of actually having a centralized structure?
Andrew Williams
would get sunday cummies if go to church
Anthony Miller
>Generally
That's not very reassuring.
Benjamin Lee
The America only must obey the bishop directly over him. If his bishop and the Ecumenical Patriarch conflict, he has to obey his bishop
Robert Wood
By generally I mean probably in every single parish in the country aside from which just use English.
Parker Rodriguez
I seem to not get the answers I need, maybe I'm asking the questions wrong. Can the American become an orthodox Christian without basically being forced to assimilate into a foreign ethnic entity?
Mason Scott
Yes, Orthodox liturgies are all the same.
Jonathan Johnson
Can being in this thread fuck with me getting a TS clearance?
Nathan Rogers
Really nice pic of a small chapel, actually, a shame you had to attach a depraved post to it.
Christopher Cook
I thought orthodox didn't like the idea of a centralised bureaucracy. The guys in Russia didn't want to listen to this guy in Rome, because what does he know what needs to be done or what is going on thousands of miles away. But now this American needs to listen to a Greek. While at the same time everyone beliefs the same things, the liturgy is the same everywhere. What's the point? I don't want to be a pain in the ass but it all seems overly complicated and absurd to me.
Brandon Carter
You could end up with a Russian being Greek Orthodox in the united states.
David James
How is the Greek bishop not American? He's an American citizen. And you don't have to be of Greek blood to be a bishop in the Greek Church
Robert Baker
An “autocephalous” Church is completely self-governing. It elects its own primate and has the right to consecrate its own Holy Chrism, among other prerogatives unique to autocephalous Churches. [The term “autocephalous” literally means “self-heading.”]
An “autonomous” Church is self-governing to a certain degree in its internal matters, but its head is appointed or confirmed by the autocephalous Church which nurtures it. An autonomous Church also receives its Holy Chrism from its “Mother Church.”
Should I move from being Eastern Catholic to be Eastern Orthodox?
Luis Watson
So? They're just jurisdictions, it has zero to do with ethnicity. You are not "Greek Orthodox," technically, you are just "Orthodox," and your parish is Greek or Russian etc. But you are not, properly speaking.
Austin Cooper
Yes. Eastern Catholic is incoherent, I mean think about it, many of you commemorate Mark of Ephesus as a saint, yet follow the Pope. Does that make sense?
Michael Carter
Orthodoxy is against degeneracy! Orthodoxy is so good that Russia has a 4% church attendance rate and catholic Poland has 40%!
This denial is pathetic. Pootin is so christian that journalists in his country die of unexplained murders
Michael Perez
Stay within latinite. Best culture, best theology, best theories of the state and society, most developed socio-economic thought -> only catholic latinite
Josiah Green
Russia has about a 10% attendance (it was 4% a few years back), and you can be sure those aren't the people getting abortions. You can also be sure Poles who get abortions go out of state
Isaiah Perez
Riiiight
John Johnson
>How is the Greek bishop not American? He's an American citizen. And you don't have to be of Greek blood to be a bishop in the Greek Church
As if citizenship is the same as ethnicity, culture, language and community.
If a cat is born in a stable, does that make it a horse?
Owen Myers
So, why do you guys not accept the Papacy? I mean, I can understand not accepting Vatican II, for they are modernist and are straying from the ways of tradition, but why the Papacy as a whole? Also, someone explain that "first-among-equals" stuff. I believe that the Pope holds earthly authority as the Vicar of Christ.
Evan Taylor
At least the pope still has people to whom he can direct his message, meanwhile Moscow, Antioch and others don't even have church attendees
Get over it, catholicism is the true faith and Poland shows. Soon all of Russia will be Uniate like Ukraine and Belarus, Orthodoxy only needs to show its corruption, backwardness and powerlessness
Hunter Cooper
>Russia has about a 10% attendance so they're on par with France, Germany, but still lower than catholic Spain, Italy or Ireland
>This means that there is a disagreement about whether the bodies in question are self-governing or not. So, for example, some consider the Orthodox Church in America to be self-governing, while others consider it to be a part of the Church of Russia.
I just got even more confused.
Camden Martinez
Greek Orthodox Bishops in the U.S. are mostly Greek because 99% of men eligible to become bishops, based on age alone, are immigrants. It will change over the next few generations as more people born here become eligible elders.
Carson Clark
No. The Catholic Church is the continuation of Christ's Church.
Jonathan Morgan
Because the Pope is the Bishop of Rome, not of Planet Earth, and because the Pope does not have the power to speak infallibly at will. Neither of these ideas is Patristic.
Gavin Diaz
The Orthodox philosophy is, "Many are called, few are chosen," whereas the RCC philosophy is, "Popularity is what counts."
Ethan Edwards
Hell no. Peter was just a regular bishop (1 Peter 5:1)
I love how devoted the people of your country are to Catholicism. :D Just felt like saying something nice to a fellow follower of Christ.
God bless!
Parker Peterson
What a fashionable lady. Surely ahead of her time.
Justin Sanders
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Noah Martin
hey pieces of nigger shit how's the boycum today?
Eli Reyes
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Cooper Morales
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Jeremiah White
Spraznikom for the feast of St. Sergei Radonezhsky
Angel Collins
niggger
Colton Flores
this guy is a witch don't you faggots burn witches
Parker Hernandez
jusus isn't real your faith is a lie jusus isn't real your faith is a lie
Owen Davis
most of the Orthodox Clergy I have met in the south, is murrucan, or 2 to 3rd gen immigrants, with names from the old country, but mostly use american names in practice. the older clergy that have the accents, are actually overjoyed about so many young men coming into the clergy. All are welcome, as the one old fella at St. Nicholas in orlando used to say.
Dominic Walker
wtf this is hilarious, source?
Luke Morgan
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Henry Walker
jesus' ass
Parker Sanchez
I'd convert for that also to be part of God's church
Dylan Nelson
subhuman germanic pig
Sebastian Martin
I'm really liking the converts of America. They are almost always extremely serious and traditionalist.
Austin Scott
I'd like to try starting a tinychat group of people like us having these discussions.
>Plz join
tinychat/bsic
Brothers and Sisters in Christ Non PC Christian discussion
Andrew Flores
Does God watch me jacking off or just when I'm starving
Justin Kelly
I think they are schismatic but not heretical just because of some shit they have with papal authority or something. The fraternal society of saint peter is the orthodox latin mass only guys
Brandon Lewis
Convert then. Honor your parents.
Jace Johnson
Well also object to
The Filioque Purgatory The Immaculate Conception Supererogation
Any several other things we see as heretical on the Catholic end
Brandon Jackson
Why are the women wearing hijab?
Christian Perez
It's been a custom for women to worship with their head covered since before Christ.
Brandon Rogers
Schismists should be crucified. Fuck you, Anti-Papal scum
Luke Cooper
Sure is love in this post.
Samuel Cox
As an alternative to Clinton, who would fill the Supreme Court seat with an extreme pro-choicer? That alone is enough to support Trump
Ethan Perry
Early Christians wore it and Orthodox scum kept the tradition
Julian Reed
Southern Baptist here. I have a few questions I haven't really had answered. 1.does the Orthodox Church use rosary beads? 2.Do you pray to saints/Mary 3.What language is predominantly spoken? 4.Do you confess sins to the priest?
Being in the Bible Belt orthodox churches are pretty much non existent, but I've always been curious about them
Thanks in advance
Michael Phillips
oh boy
Christopher Morales
oh he watches you and loves to watch u cum
Chase Rogers
this brothers and sister in chris is lively as hell
Carson Torres
1.) in our asses, yes 2.) we pray to god's energy, his asshole and mary, yes 3.) nigger talk aka ebonics 4.) we suck off the priests in this religion son, get with it
Mason Butler
1. We don't object to them, but we don't really use them. The closest we have is the prayer rope, which has knots. But that is only for one prayer, which goes, "Lord Jesus Christ, Son of God, have mercy on me, the sinner." It's used to help train for perpetual prayer, since this prayer, repeated perpetually in your heart, is considered a great spiritual boon.
2. Yes, we pray to saints, although "prayer" here just means "ask", and it means ask the saints to pray for us or accomplish miracles (but this miracles come ultimately through God, just like one might say "Moses parted the Red Sea," but in fact, it was the Spirit who did it, the Spirit chose to do it through Moses). The idea that holy men and women should be asked for intercession is in the OT (1 Kings 13:6). The reason we can ask them even though they're dead, is because we believe Christ liberated Sheol, and so they are now in heaven and fully communicant with us. If they were in Sheol, of course, this would be grossly inappropriate.
3. There is not predominant language, we never stopped translating the Bible and urging people to read it. The language is whatever most people in the parish are most likely to understand.
4. We Confess our sins *before* the priest. We actually Confess them to God, the priest stands *next* to you while you Confess on your knees, you don't face the priest himself. But the priest asks Christ you be forgiven. This is based on the Apostolic office being given this charge (John 20:23, Matthew 18:18)
Jonathan Miller
>knots like a dog's cock?
Grayson Parker
Why are you attacking us? Do you feel we have harmed you or committed an offense against you? If so, kindly tell us.
Jacob Price
You are jocund as Menenius.
Zachary Moore
>Why are you attacking us? Do you feel we have harmed you or committed an offense against you? If so, kindly tell us. kindly shut up
Aaron Walker
What truthful rebuke did you just righteously utter of me, you worthiest of souls? I’ll have you know I failed God to the deepest of the pit in my class of worldly sinners, and I’ve been involved in numerous shameful transgressions on God's forgiveness, and I have over 300 confirmed faults. I am depraved in wicked thoughts and I’m the top coveter in the entire legions of the damned. I am nothing to thee but just another Satan. I will praise you to heaven and back with the most contrite of hearts the likes of which has been seen all too often from the sinner, mark my unworthy lips. You think you can serve away with your words of wisdom to me over the Internet? God bless, brother. As we speak I am contacting my holy communion of saints across heaven and your love is being traced right now so you better prepare for the Theosis, militant. The mercy that sustains the shining little thing you call your soul. You’re God's gift, kid. I can be all things at all times to all men, and I can bow to you in over seven hundred ways, and that’s just while kissing your hand. Not only am I extensively corrupted by unnameable vileness, but I have betrayed to the entire covenant of the Orthodox Body of Christ, and I will plead her to her full benevolence to sanctify your virtuous spirit off the face of the lie, you little star. If only you could have known what holy gratitude your little “meek” rebuke was about to bring down upon you, maybe you would have blessed your benign tongue. But you couldn’t, you didn’t, and now you’re reaping the harvest, you God fearing joy. I will weep thanks all over you and you will drown in it. You've found life, kiddo.
Johanna 3:16 reads "For Dog so loved the world that he gave his one and only Daughter over to the BBC, that whoever masturbates to her shall not go limp, but have everlasting cum."
no nothing like that, that would be too easy people are allowed to hate your silly superstition on principle you know, lol
Owen Myers
Yeah, but your expression said hate seems unusually resentful
Justin Hall
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Caleb White
God bless you all.
Colton Reyes
I don't like scrolling through pol and seeing your simpleminded, bland, artless bullshit being posted here. I'd rather shit in a hat and wear for the rest of my life than spend my day talking to boring, unoriginal religious fags. I do honestly hate you.
Inb4 such sanctimonious shit as: ill pray for u, etc.
Connor Miller
>Inb4 such sanctimonious shit as: ill pray for u, etc. woops ya beat me to it
Jacob Morris
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Benjamin Nelson
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Angel Thomas
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Xavier Watson
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Charles Young
There are no Orthodox Churches where I live but I really want to go to Church. Is it bad if I go to a Church that isn't Orthodox?
Gavin Martinez
that's just a collection device, those are silicone bristles that sweep up the chics into a vacuum tube, not even wrekt or gore
Easton Wilson
sauce?
Jackson Ramirez
>I don't like scrolling through pol and seeing your simpleminded, bland, artless bullshit being posted here. Why even come to Cred Forums then because 90% of this place is just that, and your posts are exactly that
Andrew Robinson
I don't see myself as superior, I am your lessor. I love you precisely because you are my better.
Sebastian Martin
Send an email to Ancient Faith Ministries, and say you would like them to start a parish in your area. They will help you.
Joseph Bennett
Then don't click on the thread? Why waste your time on getting mad over things that don't affect you at all? It's like browsing youtube and seeing something you don't care about so you decide to waste your time by going on their and pissing all over the place because "I want to only see things I'M interested in on an online place where tens of thousands of people use at once!"
Leo Ortiz
This is absurd. The Donation of Constantine was certainly used to claim supremacy prior to 1054, and was the primary argument Rome used to support its supremacy at the time of the schism. What does that show? Even Rome, at the time of the schism, was unaware/did not believe that its supremacy was of divine origin.
Landon Fisher
Why did they off him
Jayden Peterson
BRAZIL 1#
Nathaniel Cox
>I don't see myself as superior, I am your lessor. I love you precisely because you are my better. lol yea right answer me honest if i broke into your house with a gun, and was going to have my way with your mouth, your wifes mouth, your mothers mouth, your daughters mouth, then take your son fishing and fuck his ass on the side of there river, would you be so fake humble then? would you bear me no ill will and pray that god saves me then? because if so i gotta get some ammo down from the attic them im omw
Brayden Gonzalez
christians love to get up in other peoples business but here i am talking about how jesus licked my asshole and you get mad because im getting all up in your business
Caleb Torres
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Leo Evans
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John Thompson
How are we getting in other peoples' business? This is a thread out of many others on an online image board where plenty of people come and post things relevant to them and other people and plenty of people scroll past these threads because it's not relevant to them. Why can't you do the same?
Even if Christians get in people's business like you say they do, do they just roll up wherever you're talking and start posting porn, children being ran over, people being shot in the head, etc? You're accomplishing nothing, wasting your time, and doing nothing but pissing people off.
Gavin Thompson
just bought a 30 pack, so its gonna be a long night for you niggas
Jaxson Cooper
American convert to Orthodoxy here. Protestants=divisive, prone to bickering, and obsessive over non-issues Catholics=The cuck pope's bitches Atheists=Hedonistic and amoral Mormons=lolspacejesuslmao Muslims=pederast niggers Neo-Paganists=LARPing faggots Followers of Eastern Religions=pagans Animists=Literal niggers.
Brayden Wright
I would bear ill will, homicidal ill will most likely.
David Perez
>You're accomplishing nothing >doing nothing but pissing people off
Camden Nelson
your boy would be good to me i bet
Jason Morris
>being obnoxious >an accomplishment
Grayson Sanchez
rly makes u think
Sebastian Mitchell
r8 me
Aaron Hughes
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Robert Thomas
what is that?
Justin Ramirez
I'm not married and not a guy, though.
Levi Peterson
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Easton Jenkins
even better bby
Ayden Morgan
lol you cucktholics got a commie pope that will never call a crusade.
Anthony Perry
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Levi Ortiz
>you cucktholics woops i don't believe in your dumb god, sry
Bentley Ward
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Henry James
r8 me
Hudson Cruz
Then you definitely aren't getting a crusade.
Aiden Baker
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Anthony Cruz
How edgy and cool
Evan Brown
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Gavin Murphy
so far ive been called >edgy a million times >a mudslime >an atheist >a catholic >nietzsche >14 year old you mfers will say anything
Christian Bell
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Chase Green
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Gavin Hill
>implying Nietzsche wasn't a 14 y/o Muslims atheist Catholic
It doesn't matter m8. As a Greek Orthodox you can go to a Russian Orthodox or a Serbian Orthodox church. If it's in America it's maybe even better because everyone would speak English. If you did it in the actual country you might be confused because some customs are slightly different and priests wouldn't understand what you're saying since they usually learn the native language and church slavonic(for slavic orthodox churches).
The Patriarchs of different countries basically serve as the patriarchs of old.
There are some churches that are not in communion with the Orthodox church, like Macedonian and Montenegrin which have declared autocephaly from the Serbian orthodox church and are considered schismatics in the orthodox world.
Generally, normal people won't care about church politics. If you're orthodox, you can go to any orthodox church.
Ian Johnson
i just came in my own mouth, which orthodox tradition is right for me?
Jaxon Green
Yeah m8, for you the ancient tradition of putting 2 pens up your nose and violently hitting your chin on the table is going to work wonders
John Brooks
good one
Josiah Ortiz
Guys if time travel is possible, could I go back in time and fuck Mary a few days before God fucks her, and become the father of Joshua Bin Joseph and undo Gods plan?? Naw he'd probably just choose another hoe, there were a trillion 9 year old jewish girls running around then
Cameron James
Every Orthodox Church with Eucharistic communion to other Orthodox Church of world Orthodoxy, together are form of the One Church of Christ.
27. Now ye are the body of Christ, and members in particular. (1 Corinthians 12:27)
22. And hath put all things under his feet, and gave him to be the head over all things to the church, 23. Which is his body, the fulness of him that filleth all in all. (Ephesians 1:22,23)
Gavin Ward
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Adrian Ross
Repent of your sins and recognize we are saved by grace alone through faith alone
