What age were you when you stopped being a leftist?

what age were you when you stopped being a leftist?
>11
>first exposure to politics teacher tells me that communism is rad and bush is hitler
>realize communism is retarded hours later
>realize that the media crucified bush for everything a year later

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this is not an endorsement of bush 2 i just noticed how they hated him constantly, years after this i realized how the media sucked obamas D

I was raised conservative, but had a retarded libertarian phase in high school, eventually grew out of that and became a conservative again.

I was in theory never a leftist, but I sympathized with them too much.

>16
>wore a che guevara shirt
>listened to Rage against the machine a lot
>17-21
>Smoked pot constantly
>Thought police were bad guys
>voted McCain but regretted it

27 now. I'm somewhere on the far right of the spectrum. I'm reinvigorating my Christianity.

I've realized that there are strange patterns among with the Jews and am suspicious of global conspiracy. I'm certainly a nationalist and am probably a traditionalist.

I've also read Evola and believe western civ is in it's decline.

I think I turned out alright all things considered.

>(((Michael Savage))) or any other cuckservstive Israel worshipping republican faggot

gas yourself

he may support israel but he says the US govt should not support israel, hes not right on everything but very correct with the title of this book

I was never a leftist, thank god. I understand why some people fall for it but I never did

Nobody's perfect. You don't have to agree on everything. It's not like you're marrying the guy.

I like Savage because because he supported Trump from day one. In fact, he had Trump on as a guest years before he ran for president, and his message was consistent. Savage played his cards right but going all in for trump, unlike the other hosts who shilled for cruz

>the golden rule is a mental disorder
>my nose is detachable

21

he means SJW liberalism, not classical liberalism

savage is fairly based. Plus he lives in the heart of traitor territory(SF) which is pretty gutsy.

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Fairly recently. Back when this election cycle started I was a fairly solid Bernout. I think it started to make the connection between leftism and retarded SJWs, which I always hated. I remain anti-establishment and anti-authoritarian but I have moved much further to the right economically and have become aware of the reality of racial differences.

22

how can any man willingly associate themselves with the left? They won't accept you unless you say you're a feminist, its like a fucking cult

18.

Graduated high school a huge Obingo fan in '08.

Went to community college in south Florida. The story writes itself.

im also refering to economic leftism and cultural marxism

When Obama not only did not redact the authoritarianism the Bush administration brought, but enhanced it further.
America as a whole is fucking toxic, and I can't see this country going anywhere but down at this point.

When I was 13 and started to realize that my libfag parents were full of it. The things they told me about race and gender clearly didn't add up in real life, I could see that.

I enjoy listening to savage sometimes but the last time i listened to him went like this:

>"the guys name is X sounds like [insert derogatory pun]"etc
>"I had an exclusive interview with trump years ago before he ran for president and im giving it to you for FREE! so long as you preorder my monthly book."
>"the guys name is weiner.. so what.. lets not get immature here i mean come on. making fun of names. thats just silly..."
(michael savages last name was weiner before he changed it for radio.)
His jew leaks through sometimes..

Go out innawoods and let it all fall apart.

Clearly you don't even listen to the show.
Michael Savage is a fucking asshole.

One day he kisses Trump's ass and gets him on his show, the next day he talks nothing but shit about trump and flat out lies about him.

He spent several of his shows just talking shit about Trump, about how Trump is not going to build the wall because he ''hasn't talked about it lately'' and all that crap. Then when you listen to any of Trump's rallies it turns out that Trump does speak about the wall.
This jew is a liar who is simply using his platform to lie about Trump because he doesn't think Trump would slave for Israel.

I enjoy him.

It's funny when he takes calls from other Jews. One time he told some Jew he didn't like that Jews like him are what caused hitler

I've never really been a leftist, my mom and dad are both racist assholes (Not to peoples' faces,) I used to think it was horrible... But then I swallowed some big red pills after 9/11 and learning about Rhodesia and how a lot of 'enigmas' are tied to their Jewish owners. I'm not entirely skeptical about everything, I realize that there are people who are just Jews (Like Simon and Garfunkel,) but those who embrace it are abominations, people like Soros are monsters.

I figured I'd give communism a chance and read The Communist Manifesto cover to cover. I realized Marx was full of shit and couldn't believe entire giant movements formed around the guy.

When I realised that allowing yourself to fall under any labels or "-isms" is making you someone's bitch.

When I was supposed to feel "white guilt" and the religion of peace showed me how peaceful they are.

Trump kissasses (which is like a good 3/4 of Cred Forums as of now) are just as cancerous.

>hardcore 'why don't you just print more money' at 9 or so
>cringelord atheist at 11
>kinda classical liberal-ish at 13, just didn't realize it
>go hardcore "TAXATION IS THEFT" at 15
>settle as minarchist libertarian at 16
>haven't moved since then

is this a sign that i'm a retard? i keep hearing about people changing political affiliations every 2 years or so until they're 30

I listen to savage. I've even called into his show and spoken with him. And he has to have some dynamics, the show would be boring if it was non stop trump bootlicking, he knows this as a radio show host

I haven't really changed, but I guess it's normal. Also, nice trips.

I was a generic conservative up until about a year ago. Then I noticed mainstream conservatives coming out against trump

That doesn't mean you have to lie about the candidate you claim to support.

I listened to his show. He stated several times that he didn't believe Trump or doubted him because he ''doesn't talk about the wall anymore''.
At the same time I saw Cred Forums just being flooded with people who think that Trump isn't going to build the wall and that he doesn't talk about it anymore.

Michael Savage was spreading pure misinformation and it caught on.
I'd still listen to all the Trump rallies and I knew for a fact that Michael Savage was full of shit.

agree -- if theres no dynamic all you end up with is 'the constituuuuuuuution' and the 'free maaahhhhhrket' (said like a sheep, in savages voice')

>liberalism is a mental disorder
>t. Fairytale worshipping loudmouthed dumb neocuck kike

Get the fuck off my board you cuckservative scum
Your kind is not wanted or needed here, this is not a Bible thumping "muh Republicans" circlejerk

Bush was a fucking piece of shit. He couldn't even complete a sentence without his cocaine-destroyed brain misfiring. His cabinet was chock full of Jews, who basically ran the country during his reign. There were more Israeli dual-citizens in high ranking positions within the Defense Department than a batmitsva. As a result he launched us into a series of costly Zio-wars that devastated the entire Middle East and millions of lives all for the specific benefit of a single well connected political interest group with no loyalty to the United States except what they can extract from it for their Jewish ethno-state.

Communism also was overwhelmingly a Jewish movement. I cannot stress this enough, the vast overwhelming majority of Bolsheviks were Jewish, which is why Winston Churchill called Communism a "Jewish conspiracy for the overthrow of civilization". The reason this ideology continues to perpetuate itself in the West is because this same ritualistic cabal is ludicrously overrepresented at the top levels of society, and thus controls the levers of power.

>political ideologies can be mental disorders
Sounds like something Brezhnev would say. He and Savage do like kind of similar...

I'm currently going through the libertarian phase now, how did you get out of it?

You'll grow out of it in due time.
Brezhnev was among the better of the Soviet leaders.

Live a week without locking your doors or even closing them

I was a socialist-leaning libertarian (registered as libertarian party, and voted for Nader for president in 2008 election) when I returned to college after flunking out 11 years prior.

Oh fucking boy, have it changed. Campus was radical left-wing with commie professors, and it turned me off and toward right-wing spectrum as a conservative-leaning independent voter and finally fascist/NatSoc, with Ron Paul who changed my outlook since he appeared in 2007 running for presidential candidacy during the debates.

I am a full-blown fascist.

I am very pro-borders. Liberty for everyone on the inside. I also hold conservative principles but I believe more in the NAP and as long as the person isn't infringing on my rights they are free to be as degenerate as they please. I think it's called right-wing libertarianism but idk.

To add, I don't think being a pro-borders libertarian is contradictory becsuse I believe mass illegal immigration violates the NAP

evalion are you back?

Got tired of Leftists always "virtue-signalling" by their BS contradictory positions. Never concrete solutions or actions. Such hypocritical thinking leads to a mental disorder.

I simply realized that people being free to do everything they wanted led to the downfall of civilization. Legalizing fag marriage = disaster. Legalizing drugs = disaster. Allowing women to vote = disaster. Trannies in the military = disaster. The list goes on.

i said i didnt like bush i just saw how the media treated him vs obama

I realize that. And I believe that I'd rather have total chaos than give up my personal freedoms.

Fags and trannies aren't really that a problem without cultural marxism anyways

Funny, my dad would pick me up from my karate lessons at age 10 around 6:30 pm when Savage would come on in the evening. He'd play it the whole way home and rant to me and my friends about the "damn pinko liberal commies running the country in the ground"
He really made fucking sure I didn't grow up to be some degenerate gambler junkie

>worshipping the Jewish God

Disgusting. If you feel the need to worship something, find the Gods of your ancestors and worship them.

NAP is bullshit. It's not consistent. You have to do mental gymnastics to defend it.
The idea that someone can step over borders, but the moment they step inside your personal property borders they're being aggressive is nonsense.

Instead of having some sort of a principle and then dancing around it every time the principle hurts something you care about, you should just lay out your opinions on every issue.
I don't want open borders - I don't care how it's enforced. I have no problems with people with guns shooting everyone who tries to get trough the border illegally. NAP can fuck off.

10, read Mein Kampf

I was in the 3rd grade when 9/11 hit us. That year I dedicated my fair project to the Third Crusade. Still have Lionheart sword and shield replica my dad made for me.

For some reason, I just began viewing us as at war with their civilization. It shocked my childhood mind to realize this was the latest event in a long history of violence.

Although I view (((US military actions))) in a different light now, I feel like those years gave me a strong nationalist foundation.

I used to enjoy Libertarians before global migrant crisis and social justice movement. Now, I view them with as much disdain as I would any other libcuck.

I never really changed, the left left me behind. I always felt that trannys are mentally ill, and being an atheist I have an extreme dislike of Muslims. I have also always loved facts and hate people that show disdain for them, as well as having a hate for the morality police. That puts me against the current incarnation of leftism even though I still believe we as citizens have a responsibility to help our fellow citizens, but fuck the rest of the world, I don't care about them.

>I'd rather have total chaos than give up my personal freedoms.
What makes you think your precious freedoms would exist amid such chaos, or after, when the dust settles? Totalitarian forces will be vying for power. They will see the vacuum of power for what it is, and seize the opportunity at your expense. Libertarianism is not sustainable. It's a pipe dream for quixotic neckbeards hellbent on achieving 100% freedom. It's impossible. The more you tighten your grasp, the more freedoms slip through your fingers.

Incidentally I was a right winger when I was younger and read Liberalism is a Mental Disorder when I was 15 and thought it was great. I'm now 26 and pretty far left, not SJW cuck left that has spring up but classic left. I now think of Savage as an angry idiot, when once I idolized him.

>Savage as an angry idiot
Please call in and embarrass yourself. I'd love to see you make the case for "muh classic liberalism" on the air.

lol aka when you came of age to fight you realized you were a pussy and made a reason to excuse yourself.

Literally my first year of college is when I grew out of it. I only considered myself leftist before that because I was apathetic and wanted to go along with the general consensus to avoid a hassle

Before I graduated hs during Obamas election I was in middle school and didn't know too much. After I graduated though the sjw shit was in full swing, I had read farenheit 451 in 11th grade after a teacher recommended it, so I just knew I hated their guts and everything they stood for.

Within this election cycle I've been listening to conservative radio, which just started as something to hear another view. Slowly came over. Went to mexico with some buddies and read 1984 + did a bunch of reading on Karl Marx and the communist revolutions. Made me see that these progressives and liberals as a whole are basically Marxists and I was immdeiately against it. I've never felt more american.

You'll realize that libertarianism is a weak, watered down, dipped in right wing bbq sauce version of libertinism, which is just hedonism for the sake of being "free from governmental intrusion". If you want a society that allows its patrons to indulge in their hedonistic tendencies, move to San Francisco and live their for about a year. That's a society completely in line with a libertarian social landscape, and yet you talk to libertarians and they'll onfuscate and deny this. They think people, left to their newfound social freedoms, will suddenly become self-determined, gun toting, self-actualized and completely self-reliant individuals who follow the NAP and are all completely 100% equal in all things including genetic and mental value.


Well, as we've seen, this is completely delusional. I've seen people walk around the bay in diapers, strap ons, and bondage gear, and no, contrary to leftists and libertarians, this is not the behavior of stable individuals. Of course these people aren't hurting anyone. But to think that behavior is becoming of a stable individual is myopic. Hedonism was what lead to the fall of Rome. To believe any different is naive. Only philosopher kings and high schoolers could still believe that society completely saciating their desires could at the same time fully function to the best of its abilities and reach an optimal efficiency and balance between law and order and a healthy economy

>Conservative

This is a very insightful post. Is reading up on john Locke enough to understand modern liberals too?

>Worshiping anything

Locke has been co-opted by ancaps, for some reason. I'd say he's entry-ism for right-libertarians and people who go the ancap route vs the nationalist route.

Honestly I'd recommend Alex de Tocqueville. He was the one that warned everyone about the slippery slope of democracy, and how delicate it is to balance between a healthy society and an authoritarian society, and how America has(really had) an opportunity to be something great.

i completely agree with you, the vast majority of people will burn down entire countries for personal gain

i still am completely against interfering in the lives of others however. this ideology is basically a really elaborate way of pissing yourself off.

>Locke has been co-opted by ancaps,

What are ancaps? Anti capatilists?

I don't think I'm that though, capatilism has issues but it's better than anything else. I would just like to see where this ideology comes from I guess.

Anarcho Capitalism. Basically a libertarian on steroids

Anarcho-Capitalists. So not anti-capitalist. They're actually fully-fledged capitalists. No government. Just small communities that take part in trade and everything, including roads, law enforcement, judges, juries, executioners, hospitals, etc. is all privately owned...yeah, pretty inefficient stuff, desu. And incredibly naive. I say this as someone who thought themselves an ancap at one point. I grew out of it within a couple of months. I think I was rebelling?

Anyways, to understand liberals, just hang out in their communities for a bit. They're not like conservatives. They don't have political heroes; the people that love Marx and Lenin and shit are leftist progressives that theorize and see things through Marxist/Leninist lenses and shit. Most liberals just want a big welfare state, paid for by the 1%. The naivety is pretty sad. But if you're right leaning in any capacity, it's usually because you've experienced a lifestyle contrary to the narrative. Leftists believe that we can approach a peaceful society, if we just let the government do their job. Right wingers believe that we'll never have a truly cohesive and safe society, in spite of everything government seems to be doing. Leftists go to migrant camps to frolic with refugees, right wingers avoid downtown because there's been gang violence breaking out between the racial minorities.

I'm not sure that I'm not still a leftist

I definitely hate you spiteful fucks, but my parents are conservatives and they are all right

I definitely started to change my views after experiencing humanities classes in college. The propaganda is so shameless and the SJW ideology is so stupid

Mostly I don't know what to believe, everything people seem to believe sounds so stupid, too neat, too convenient, too self serving

Same here actually. I had basketball practice Monday and Friday nights and both on the way there on they way back my dad would have Savage on.

He really is the best on the radio back then and today. It's gonna be sad when he is gone.

So leftists are Utopian Platonist's and basically communists?

I leaned left until my late 20's (I'm 34 now) but I always felt such things like "not all black people are niggers, but all niggers are black" stuff like that. I had black friends and I used to laugh at neo-con types. Now, with the rise of SJW culture and watching white population drop to 60%, I'm going further and further right. Almost at the wall now.