This is how it should be done!

Not true, poor people are simply enslaved for breaking the law and the rich easily pay their way out. Adding ratiod fees means even the rich won't pull that shit. Sounds like a great idea to me, considering the poor are already considering getting one up, which would ruin the planet.

STOP BREAKING THE LAW *loser*

>cops go after expensive cars because they know they will get bigger ticket $$$.
>cops profile whites and asians because they are more likely to belong to a higher income bracket.

actually it is socialist as fuck to keep poor people from economic mobility by penalizing a much higher % of their income for the same crimes as the rich

It should not be calculated based on income. That is just more inspiration for no job niggers to break the law. They should charge insane amounts no matter their income. Can't pay? Have fun paying it off in the work camp. Then you won't do shit again.

This is a much better alternative to adjusting the speed limit to something reasonable and only punishing the worst offenders.

80km/h is not a reasonable speed limit for a god damn freeway.

>poor people with little to lose only get small fines
>rich people are extorted

sounds great

First off, rich people don't get rich by constantly giving away tickets for speeding. If you are getting multiple speeding tickets because you don't care and can just pay the fine, you are going to get your license suspended. Not to mention massive impact on your already-expensive insurance for your rich car.

So, no, this is fucking retarded and does not make any sense. Rich people don't speed around all the time and throw $100 bills at the cops when they get pulled over.

Cred Forums must really be full of 15-year-olds.

make it so cops have a # quota not a $ quota

also the rich could afford to sue the cops asses if they were profiled

they should charge the poor the exact same amount they are now and then charge the rich based on income and use it to lower taxes

that's actually not a bad idea

a $350 ticket is nothing to the doctor in the Audi but it is devastating to someone living paycheck to paycheck

Let's make them pay the same percentage for everything else too comrade

>profiling whites
>in a country that's 99% white

oh you mean in America? Well who the fuck cares you're a dying country anyway so nothing you do will work out lol

Fuck speed limits, I know what I'm doing. Maybe you fags should stay off of the road if you're scared to go over 60mph. Take the bus like the bitches you are.

>make $500,000/year
>speed all the time because speeding tickets are chump change

Shut the fuck up, ladyboy.

th? is that a new kind of toothpase?

In Finland, hamburger prices are based on the diner's income. This results in the wealthy facing exorbitant fees. The most famous case is when the IKEA guy had to pay 3.5 million USD for a bacon cheeseburger.

ALL PRICES SHOULD BE BASED ON INCOME! BRILLIANT!

normies get off my roads REEEEEE

>black cop in Norway
I have yet to see one

but OP's picture fact is actually true

>there are no poor non blacks.

>progressive tax rates are for welfare babbies. We should all have a flat tax rate!
>a flat fine rate? fucking poor ass commies!

A fine is supposed to be a punishment. Fining a millionaire a couple hundred bucks isn't exactly going to teach him a lesson.

WHEN NOBODY'S RICH, EVERYBODY WILL BE!

What if they never get caught? They keep thinking it's ok to speed and because they have the money and they value getting to work quicker than others safety? Now nobody thinks that way, but it's the pressure of being late and the leniency of having money to take that risk.

If you have money you can take big risks and have little direct consequence depending on the scale, especially comparable to someone who doesn't have that much.

Also there are people who make 2k a month, of which a ticket is little chunk of their money. Of which is chump change to rich people and fines are suppose to be a consequence.

I like how you revert to dumbass commentary.

Except speeding fines are bullshit in the first place and are literally extortion to get out of having to go to court and take the time defending yourself against the cop's word.

So instead they give you the option to pay in, take a hit on your insurance and driver's license, and get your free time back. The fine is not the only penalty system in place, it merely serves as a revenue stream to encourage cops to pull people over

>don't punish the poor as much for breaking the law!
Maybe don't break the fucking law in the first place

This isn't good, since rich people are usually rich from having a lot of money in nonliquid assets. So the amount they have to pay is not equivalent to the $10 that a Google would ultimately have to pay during a policy like this.

>finland
>ikea
ameritard education, drumpfer confirmed

I disagree.

Maybe this system is why Linus Torvalds moved to America

nah thats financial discrimination and it promotes further law breaking by the lower classes. Its foolish and imposes exception

Amazing all the leftists out in full force today.

A speeding ticket is just that, a ticket. The law applies equally to us all. A millionaire pays the same $300 ticket that I pay. Anyone who argues that the law shouldn't be applied equally is literally a fucking poorfag, autist, edgelord, Redditor, or leftist cuck.

And guess what? If they keep speeding, ignoring tickets and warnings, they will die a la Ryan Dunn style.

The more I look into it, the more likely I find that to have made billions, they most likely corrupted the law against humanity's interests.

Nobody cares about this at all right now. This discussion is irrelevant and benefits nobody

>implying rich people drive their own cars and don't hide their income

this simplistic facebook cancer is just the fucking worst. it's yahoo news times ten.

I am moving to Finland!
Cause I am DEAD BROKE!
So I can break all the laws I want and be charged a percentage of income... which is zero!
hahahahahahaha!

Nevermind, just saw that it depends on income, which I assume they mean liquid income. Either way, I'm still against this because rich people are generally productive members of society, and should be destroyed by fines. I'd much rather have some millionaire speeding to his meeting, than I would a Google speeding to go and buy drugs.

Shouldn't*

This is a dumb thread

This sounds like a plan to subtly kill off the poor.

It has nothing to do with redistributing the wealth or some shit. It has everything to do with making sure rich people avoid getting fines by committing traffic violations. Billionaires don't give a shit about a $100 speeding ticket.

I wonder when finland will finally enact equal pay for everyone. Would solve many problems.

We need that over here. I'm sick of all these billionaires speeding down the highway.

How about we just set a cap of $500 or so, but the poor pay less?

>be cop in finland
>Follow rich people around
>Wait for infraction
>"I could give you the normal fine of 100k but if you give me 50k we can call it square"
>Profit

a) You will be thrown out if you have no income
b) Even if you live on welfare, it counts as income. There is also a minimum amount for the ticket

What do I think? There should be a cap somewhere close to 10k€ for speeding.

Why should a rich guy pay more for a ticket than a poor guy? What's next charge him $1000 for a gallon of milk? Penalizing wealthy people will only encourage lazy losers.

I hope fucking never, thats communism bro.

You have to drive 21km/h over the limit to get to the point where your income starts affecting your ticket, under that and you get a 120€ ticket (or something like that).

Literally the exact opposite would make way more sense.
A base fine of $x00 plus an additional percentage of your income.
The poor still face a real punishment and the wealthy can't just laugh in society's face.

If you can't afford the ticket don't break the law. Also courts have payments plans & community service. Don't create incentives for poor losers

Line changes and people driving slower in the left lanes cause far more accidents than speeding. Get fucked, commie.

>be cop
>drive around in plain clothes in unmarked vehicle
>coax the rich into hooning
>????

If you support this you're literally a socialist, deal with it. I am.

they're not leftists, they're the alt-right (tm)

They're just dumb fucks who hate minorities but are actually social justice warriors like the people they claim to be against

I actually like this law. Stop rich cunts from breaking the law thinking it'll just be a small fine.

99 id and dubs praise kek

dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1302161/Swedish-driver-gets-worlds-largest-speeding-fine-180mph-chase.html

Related

The point is nobody should be breaking the law, and there should be a real punishment for the person breaking the law. Do you think a millionaire cares if he gets a ticket for 100€?

I still think there should be a cap for the ticket, 10k€ should be enough.

they tried this shit on me

>start company
>make a massive fucking amount of money
>get taxed 37%
>turn company into corporation
>take my house
>sell it to corp
>take everything in my house
>sell it to corp
>take my car, etc
>sell it to corp
>move corp over to a certain country
>my house is now a national australian department of corp, which is now based overseas
>i don't buy anything
>corp does
>i get massive fucking tax write offs because of le corporate memes
>i effectively pay tax at the rate of minimum wage working adults

yes sir i'll pay my 350 dollar fine, here let me reach into the glove box of my luxury car

yes sir i only make minimum wage, poor me

So you're suggesting it should be devastating for all?

Or are you suggesting it should be manageable for all?

Because the prior is cruelty and the latter isn't punishing.

oh, then the law is actually pretty good imo.

How big of a problem is rich people breaking traffic laws?

>Be Rich
>Use Uber
> failing uber, Make Poorfag friends speed me around the city
>The government collapses because they don't have the income from eating the rich

I like it!

That's cool with me. I think there should be an income cap but I doubt most of pol agrees. I consider myself a national socialist but I actually put emphasis on the socialist part.

ok, yeah, but its like $200 dollars PLUS a percent of your income right? else youll have no income googles getting away with speeding.

Quotas should be and are illegal you fucking idiot.

>hire driver
>have him speed
>pay his tickets
Too ez

>want whats best for your nation
>income cap

In America if you break the speeding limit by more than 15 miles per hour or if you do something considered driving dangerously on the road, you are given a court summons where you have to show up in court to go in front of a judge no matter who you are. That experience of doing that is really worse than paying the fine no matter how much money you make

Any sort of big fine is just the citizens justifying the government to assign arbitrary bullshit fines to the people. They shouldn't be able to penalize you just based on who you are. If so, how long is it until whites have to pay more due to privilege and migrants & minorities are getting off because of muh oppression?

That seems laughable, but thats honestly just about where the social movements are in America today. Nigs obviously interact with cops more because they commit like 6 times the crime of the other races. People are trying to say thats racist because muh feelings and its not "fair"

>value getting to work quicker than others safety
>if you're speeding and get into a car crash the other person dies and nothing happens to you
car crashes go both ways are you fucking retarded

well notihng to do but let this behavior continue, otherwise we would have ancap and you would 100% be thumb nuked and we can't have that

yes I saw that on reddit as well.

why should i be penalized for inventing a business angle, implementing it and getting it to work for multiple years?

actually this is a fucking amazing idea

You can tell who the poor people in favor of this are by the fact they think the worst part of a traffic stop is the ticket fine itself and not how it affects you in the long run with insurance/your record etc

Well we dont have a big problem with dindus, atleast not yet so the system is working well, most people are respecting the laws we have in place so these huge speeding tickets are rare. Also, isnt your justice system overworked as hell?

The average person breaks 3 finable laws a day in America.

>Be nigger
>1 day jailtime and $.50 fine for robbing a bank

The reason fines are fixed is to deter niggers from being niggers.

>Except speeding fines are bullshit in the first place and are literally extortion to get out of having to go to court and take the time defending yourself against the cop's word.

Sometimes. If the income didn't get returned to the local government I think the amount of fines and effort in enforcement would be lower. But we do need speed laws because most people didn't take or pass high school physics.

Rather than a fine how about speeding tickets be paid in community labor.

100hrs of labor not of the choice of the offender would be fair.

>insurance goes up 100-fold
Good thinking there genius

>nah thats financial discrimination
How? In that case everyone pays for example 0.5% of their taxable income.

Totally non discriminatory.

$0.02 has been deposited into your account. Thank you for Correcting The Record!

but in this case everything should work on those rules. for example - how much your vote counts is to be directly correlated with your income

good. they should feel the consequences for their actions which endanger others.

Overworked? Yes. We have a huge problem here with recidivism, which is people committing crimes over and over again, even after conviction and punishment.

As I understand it, our sentencing laws are much stricter here than our Anglo or European friends as well. Apparently even the strict sentences don't help curb the crime like it should. People catch a break & are let out of prison early to make room for others to go in. Then the people who had been let out, instead of making good with their luck, go on to do the same shit and end up back in prison

Ill let you make of all that what you will.
>Pro tip - Its cultural enrichment

>how is discriminating ticket prices based on income a form of income discrimination
I sure hope you're just pretending to be retarded.

>wealthy pay all the taxes
>they're still wealthy
really makes me think

...

That comes from idiots trying to regulate thespeed of others. Like if I'm going 95, and some cuck doing 60 is trying to get around a bluehair that's going 50, the cuck should wait for me to pass before his sluggish ass tries to pass.

Speed accidents are caused by slow idiots having zero situational awareness, not by be driving at 90mph. Wake up or stay home.

>have no income
>pay no fines

K

As if my personal income is welfare Being fined money I didn't earn isn't going to bug me, I'll just have another kid and the socialists will just give me more money.

>have no income
>driving
wew

Finally someone with common sense...so rare these days.

considering the goal of a speeding ticket is punishment, it's discriminatory not to make richer people pay more. they're not making the rich pay more just because they have more, but to make sure they learn the same lesson from it as poorer people do.

alternatively, how about just not fucking speeding like a retard

>be NEET
>any % of 0 is still 0

Fuck outta the way, slowshits

Suuure

>100-fold

Hardly. It will go up by quite a bit sure, but when you make $500,000 a year, that hardly matters even then.

I bet you lobbying to reduce fines would begin even before the laws were put into effect. And it'd happen.

You absolute retard. It goes against every principle on equal treatment. It directly implies you should be punished for having more wealth. Only parasites could argue this is a good thing.

STOP BEING A FUCKING KEK, ASSLEAF

Since when have we got such an infestation of parasites on here? Literally gas yourselves, you filthy communist subhumans. The world would be a better place without your disgusting kind. I'm not even kidding, just grab a hose connect it to the exhaust of your neighbour's car (Idk if the money the government extorts from working people to keep you useless leeches alive is enough to have a car of your own, but I think your neigbour wouldn't mind lending his car if it meant you would no longer lower his property value by existing in his vicinity), bpu the other end of the hose through the window, crank the window up as far as it goes, fill the remaining slit with damp rags and start the car. Please remain seated until you are no longer a burden on society.

>Break the law
>Complain when someone who breaks the same law gets a significantly lower punishment on account of refusing to get a job
>This is somehow an unjust complaint

Get the fuck off my Cred Forums you worthless mixtures between humans and funghi

Except there are way to many laws and everyone has broken at least one.

Happened to one of the co-owners of my dad's company, fucker had to pay up through the ass for speeding. Good times. Too bad nowadays our traffic cops are as good as extinct, we only have cameras which are easy to predict. On a non-camera highway your chances of getting busted for speeding are next to nothing, which is why they're now filled with 50-somethings in brand new Audis driving 150km/h and pulling suicidal overtakes. Amusingly young people seem much more level headed, probably because they actually can't afford to pay a single ticket even at the minimum level (I think they just raised it too).

Good. They should be taxed until they beg for mercy. If they don't like it, take their wealth and put them up against the wall.

>on the way to meet important client
>speed because "I'm rich, I can afford the ticket"
>get pulled over and dicked around for 20 minutes
>$150 fine? that's chump change!
>late to the meeting, lose ten million dollar account

You sure you thought that one all the way through, pal?

1917 called, they want their disgusting, obsolete and murderous ideology back. Also, kill yourself

THIS. It's bullshit because the rich are essentially immune to fines. A $2,000 fine would rek a poor person, a rich person could write a check that day and immediately continue speeding.

Wouldn't this be in violation of the 8th amendment (excessive fines) if implemented in the United States?

>Oh no we absolutely need anticonstitutional laws to solve the ever increasing problem of billionaires using public roads as a racing circuit! You can't cross the street nowadays without being run over by a wall street broker at 200mph, do something!

fucking commies. if the poor don't have to pay as much do you think they won't get bolder. if you do you're a fucking retard. this would only create more problems then it would solve. the already dwindling middle class bordering on poor would be upset about having to pay more than the poor. the poor would only antagonize and ask to not be fined at all. then the rich bordering middle class would be up in arms that they have to pay so much more.

If you live in the house owned by your company and drive the car owned by your company you have to report those as benefits in kind and pay taxes on them in most countries.

I don't see how letting your LLC own your assets avoids taxes. It avoids legal liability (e.g. if you get sued they can't come after your LLC's house), but not tax liability.

i do have to pay taxes, but said taxes are tiny in comparison to what i'd be getting taxed if i owned everything and funneled all profits directly into my personal account

if it were important one would not let themselves be in the situation of being late.
putting other innocent people at risk because of ones tardiness is fucking retarded.

>implying the utility of 1% of a rich man's income is equal to 1% of a poor man's

The rich man still has $99,000 to live off of, the poor man now has only $9,900. $100 to a poor man is worth much more than $1,000 to a rich man.

speeding results in death, a small fine will not make a rich person think about their actions

so how's Thailand working out for you then?

You do know this is how 99% of rich people reduce their tax burden right? It's all completely legal and defined by the system as such, all to encourage the creation of small business in theory.

Go shit in a pot Waheed you fucking faggot

But rich people need time more, because they're often busy, whilst the unemployed have time to spare. Taking one month of time from an investment banker is infinitely more damaging (as his career would likely be ruined) than taking one month from an unemployed man (as he just does the same he usually does, lying on a bed in a room). Thus, poor people should be thrown in jail way longer than rich people.

This is how retarded you sound.

my commie senses are tingling

Everyone pays the exact same percent.

Did you forget the part where when you speed too much you get your license suspended?

>inb4 they are rich they will just hire a chauffeur to speed for them once their license is suspended

yes i'm completely aware, it just pisses me off when communists start going on about taxing the rich

all that taxing the rich is going to do is fuck over honest working people with high incomes like Doctors, Engineers, etc. people like me will get away with it since we have the initiative to find these holes.

>inb4 they are rich they will just hire a chauffeur to speed for them once their license is suspended

You think there aren't rich that haven't done that after excess speeding or DUI? Their life is barely effected by license suspension. Whereas a poor person is now busriding and has his life significantly effected.

>Speeding results in death

Not true. Crashing results in death. You can die from crashing whilst not even speeding. Speeding at night on deserted roads is a victimless crime and fining someone 100k for going 15mph over the limit is beyond all proportion and if you think this is just, you're just sour because people have more money than you get on the government dole. Commit sudoku you retarded stereotypical socialist leaf fag

>Retarded thread with only a subject, no other text.
>Romanian shitposter
>via 9GAG.com
>Finland
>Black cop

Nice fucking job Cred Forums.

>waethy rule the country
>do what ever they want at the expense of the poor (you)
>fines do not matter, because they are change
>such is the american way

Nah. I'm going nowhere. Lenin had the right idea.

I'm white working class. Fuck off scum.

Do they do this in every asian country ?

YOU'RE THE VICTIM.
don't let the man keep you down

Capitalism is good, but laws are more important. If you give the rich a way to skirt the law, your society is undermined. The rich break the law with no consequence, and the poor see this as an example set, a social ideal to strive for if you wish to be like the rich, and then break the law as well. With percentage income based fine, you stress that the law applies to all citizens, and get 1) happier poor citizens because "equality" (yes keeping the poor happy is important to a nation) and 2) less lawlessness at all social castes.

>Wow, a very small group of people isn't getting the same amount of pain from state sanctioned anal rape! Quick, burn the constitution!

>A Bong is ridiculously leftist
What an absolute surprise. Let me guess, Margaret Thatcher is still the subject of basically every bitter conversation you have with your equally useless, unemployed 'comrades' whilst drinking canned lager and listening to the Sex Pistols in your public housing program crack den?

You're using a chainsaw to remove a splinter

>Quotas should be and are illegal you fucking idiot.

you are a dipshit that knows nothing of police work

how about if you don't pay a minimum of $20k in tax you can't use the roads.

Who the hell is talking about taking months away from people? And who is talking about fining the poor MORE? Are you retarded yourself?

All that i said was that a percentage fine will still mean more to a poor person than a rich person. Doing this accomplishes nothing and only serves as just a slap on the wrist to the rich while simultaneously screwing over the poor and middle class who will no doubt end up paying more as a result.

If it's a flat rate, what's the issue? Let's say 1% of income:

Guy making 10k gets 100 dollar fine, still a lot but that will definitely make food and rent harder to pay, and reduce his lifestyle.
Guy making 100k gets a 1000 dollar fine, still a lot, but won't affect his lifestyle at all.

>whilst drinking canned lager and listening to the Sex Pistols in your public housing program crack den?

Nice memes. I'll admit I hate Thatcher though. Shame she survived Brighton.

DON'T BREAK THE LAW THEN ASSHOLE

>commit the same crime
>pay different fees
??????
sure the rich can afford it more but because they rich is the crime any different?

>till a lot but that will definitely make food and rent harder to pay, and reduce his lifestyle

then they should be responsible enough to take that into consideration before they break the law.

did he cause 103k worth of damage?

And I said being thrown in prison for a month means more to a rich person with an important and busy career than it means foe an unemployed person. Learn to fucking read and how to apply the same principle on similar cases, you mongoloid.

They aren't memes if they're true. Leftist Bongs are absolute clones, walking stereotypes.

wtf I hate finland now

>be dirty unemployed google
>get free gibsmedats
>break law on daily basis
>don pay nuffin to dem raysis whiteys cuz they white and shit
>dey don't even charge me nuffin for speedin all day in muh stolen impala shiiiiet

>Death penalty for going 1mph over the limit
>This is a just penalty because STOP BREAKING THE LAW ASSHOLE

Whatever helps you sleep at night. Even the lowliest working class person is better than a capitalist stain like you. Up against the wall.

it's okay when there's a minimum payment, as there is in finland.

0% of unemployed would be $0, right? can't steal the chicken to pay for fines

>govt wants to charge rich people more.
>needs rich people to be making money
>prison sentences should be shorter for the wealthy because they contribute more to society.
>rich people get off when committing serious crimes.

so... how do you solve neets there actually?

If it means that much to a rich person they shouldn't break the laws in the first place, and they are always replaceable everyone is in their job.

A rich person speeding commits the same crime as a poor man speeding. Assigning different penalties based on wealth has no pertinence to the crime at hand. It would be like fining left handed drives twice as much when they sped.

I agree, as long as there is a sufficient minimum amount you must pay no matter your income.

Who's talking about prison ITT?

I almost felt that way, but then you need to consider that a speeding ticket is not the same thing as buying a product in a store. The fine for a ticket is meant to be a penalty, it's meant to deter you from committing the act again. If a rich guy pays the same as a poor guy for an equal crime, then the rich guy faced almost no penalty at all for his actions aside from the ticket appearing on his record. In the case of law enforcement I feel proportional fines make sense.

A better idea would be to expand public transport and discourage pollution from cars

The purpose of a fine is to punish, and strength of punishment depends on marginal utility of money, not absolute amount.

>working class pride
>works fast food or at an Apple Store

Fuck off, pinko. You make real workers look bad.

Do youbwant a hug Aussies bro?

If a Black man fined me Id assume it was a scam

>hurr it's communism because the rich ones will get their ass handled just like the poor guys
and then you get butthurt when rich people don't pay any taxes at all while the poor people can't afford bank accounts in some tax paradise

But it's you who is a stain, because capitalists can exist without your kind (and even fare better bevause of your absence), yet your kind would wither and die without a capitalist host to leech off. However I'd love to see you put you up against a wall, the more efficient thing to do would be just to stop your subsidies and wait until you die of starvation.

How does it feel to know that your existence is detrimental to everyone around you? That the most useful thing you'll ever do for the society you claim to fight for, is to just neck yourself?

>Just kill everyone for the slightest transgression
>If life means that much to them, they wouldn't have broken the law
>Everyone is replaceable anyways

I was. Learn to fucking read and comprehend analogies. Are you literally retardes?

This. It's always about "worker this" and "working that" with these cretins, but never about actual work. Also, somehow people on the government dole are "working-class". If it wasn't so sad, it'd be funny.

Community service in-place of income.

>Are you literally retardes

I guess so. Here I thought we was talking about fining people, not imprisoning them.

Sounds like bullshit you gypsy fuck

If you work for a living you're working class. Anti communist class traitors can rot alongside their masters

Am I to blindly believe some random picture posted on Cred Forums you degenerate kike?

>capitalists can exist without your kind (and even fare better bevause of your absence), yet your kind would wither and die without a capitalist host to leech off.

Pahahaha

Capitalism relies on exploitation of workers. Bosses don't do a day's work in their parasitic lives. One day we'll end that.

Follow your leader and blow your brains out, nazi.

This. There shouldn't be a fucking speed limit or they should be way higher.

>Quantity Q of punishment X means more to group A than it does for group B
>To keep it fair, group B should get more of punishment X than group A

This is your own reasoning, I used another examole to hopefully show the retardedness of your opinion. If you cannot see what the connection is, you might actually be unironically mentally impaired.

You aren't a worker. As the word implies, you need to do actual work in order to be a worker. Follow your own leader and have yourself shot in the head by a woman yet survive because there's nothing in it and die of complications shortly after. Even a muslim is preferable to your kind.

Also, capitalism relies on the freedom of people to exchange various kinds of value. Your sickening ideology relies on forcing people to comply. Name one socialist or communist country thay didn't devolve into mass killings and economic disasters

Well I tried to reason with you.

>there are only workers or bosses
>bosses don't work and are purely parasitic
>one day we will get rid of all management and just live in an anarchistic utopia

holy shit you have to be 18 to post here

almost every country has bits of socialism in it, it's just that one country can't go full communism because that will go wrong
the other way around is the same, full capitalism with no social will result in abuse of work force

Let's talk about the real issue here
Speed limits serve no purpose, they've been shown to have no effect on the number of wrecks on a given highway.

...

>Speed limits serve no purpose
only on highways
imagine people driving in the city just like on the highways, they won't have the chance to brake when someone gets on the street, instant death

You wouldn't recognise reason when it hits you in the head like the bullet you deserve.

Now if you'll excuse me, I have to go to sleep because I'm an actual factory worker who just got out of the night shift and I have time nor interest for your "'"working""" class role play. By the way, I don't feel very exploited, being well-paid and all. But I'm sure I'm just not class conscious enough to see how the eurobuxx which are deposited on my bank account after your kind extorts 42% out of it are actually a grave violation of my rights to seize the means of production or something. I'm so glad you are as irrelevant as it gets. You literally do not matter to anyone. I can't overstate that if you *really* want to help the working class, there's no better way to do it than to kill yourself. I'm begging you, do it for the working class and for yourself, because misery like yours is no way of living for anyone.

>be more succesful person
>be more penalized

That's why I hate such systems. Why person A which spent half of his life trying to achieve what he could should be penalized more than a drunkard that dindu nuffin?

And speeding isn't a major issue in the inner cities, because most people only drive as fast as they're comfortable driving. The vast majority of tickets are handed out on interstate highways.

The punishment becomes different automatically though. It isn't as punishing for someone who has wealth to get a fine as it is to a poor person.
It's like if you were punishing them through having them do pushups, and the amount was stuck at ten, a fit person wouldn't break a sweat while a fatty probably wouldn't make it.

A L L
MEN
ARE
EQUAL
UNDER
THE
LAW

Oh the poor billionairessss!!!

Kys slave.

Good. As it should be.

>Your misdoings make you more to blame than other peoples misdoings because you're further ahead in life

Yeah real good

well why the fuck aren't they paying the same percentage for everything?
>let's make the people who get billions of dollars pay less
are you literally mentally ill?

>completely removing all incentive to become wealthy
i hope you like your economy ceasing to exist

> ctrl + f "fair share"
> 0 results

Triggered.

Criminal offences like speeding tickets, yes, anything else, no.

Being rich shouldn't lower your punishment.

I love this

I hope you realize that day fines are not just a Finnish thing.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Day-fine

Jurisdictions employing the day-fine include Finland (Finnish: päiväsakko), Sweden (Swedish: dagsbot), Denmark (Danish: dagbode), Croatia, Germany (German: Tagessatz), Switzerland, and Macao.

>to become wealthy
but that's another thing, for new businesses there are donations and tax cuts and all that other stuff
when you get your business running you don't need that anymore
also i'm against big taxes, 20% of your income should be the maximum you pay

If you're unemployed here you won't afford a car.

>One coffee please
>Here you go sir, now that will be... wait let me contact the IRS and your bank to receive a full account of your financial situatuon... okay I'll now just calculate 0.0003% of your total worth... oh had a little bonus now had we? That makes $500 and have a nice day!

>Hm it seems like it doesn't matter how much I earn, because literally everything is income related.
>And now for my career choice, will I spend 10 years in college learning to be a doctor and live a stressful life with round the clock shifts and literal responsibilities concerning life and death , with gore all around and heart breaking situations of not being able to save a loved one? Oh this 9 to 5 job as a shop clerk looks alright too, and pays the same

Kill. Your. Self.

>don't have niggers
>profit
also how the fuck are supposed to pay all the fines with government handouts?

>become a billionaire
>stop working
>have a $0 a year income
>speed all you want in your $1,000,000 car for $0 speeding tickets

You get a fine suited to your income, otherwise it would be INEFFECTIVE, you fucking baby

You're a classcucked retard. Go suck your boss' cock. No actual worker thinks like you. Literal slave mentality. Reactionary scum.

what a completely fucking retarded idea. i thought finland was cool. taking it off my summer home to be bought list. fuck you finshit

i mean seriously, what kind of trashy country uses MPH instead of KPH

Are there lots of jews in straya?

>work hard to get an education and attain marketable skills
>get a job that finally gives you a ton of money
>go to buy shit
>a loaf of bread now costs 20 dollars
>that car you always wanted now costs 5 million dollars

>billionaire goes out to shop
>10,000 dollar loaf of bread
>luxury car costs 200 million

>worthless cunt working for below minimum wage goes to shop
>0.2 cent loaf of bread
>luxury car now costs 10,000 dollars

???????????

>I work at Jack in the Box and I hate rich people! haha fuck u dad and u too, monopoly man. Seize means of production!1!! xP

>Traffic infractions are a form of taxation

I know this is trolling but if you support this then KYS

Is it just income? Or are savings taken into account? You can be unemployed and still have vast wealth.

I like this idea though. One of the very few things I agree that we should take from the Nordic model.

Murika

>England and Wales experimented with the system for a short period from 1992 to 1993. It was unpopular with both magistrates and the general public, and was soon abandoned. The scheme was replaced by requirements that magistrates consider an offender's means when imposing a fine, just not according to a mathematical formula.

> #JustStatismThings

the jews control the media and most of the government but the chinks own everything else. i just play both groups.

You can not work here even without any money and live on handouts. Won't have to worry about fines either since you'll have no reason to go outside ever.
The downside is wanting to kys after a few years.

I had the idea to adjust ordonnance fees exponentially (with whatever factor, e.g. 10%).
This way Muslims who break the law on purpose because they are selling drugs and can afford it will eventually hit their "too expensive" spot.
Basing it on income would require the income to be declared, which only hurts law abiding citizens.

If a fine is attached to a law that's designed to create more public safety via disciplinary punishment then it seems logical that it should be based on the income so that it's actually a punishment.

>tfw speeding here gets your license revoked
>tfw speeding slightly more than that gets you thrown in jail
>tfw a billionaire was sentenced to 3mo in jail for going 15kmph over the speed limit

i love swiss traffic laws. they embody everything that is swiss. they also piss of foreigners like nothing else

Anyone smart enough to work that hard would just pay some broke nigger to buy it for them.

Oh fair enough then.

A speeding ticket is supposed to be a financial sting. It won't be if someone has $2,000,000,000
and gets a ticket of $45 when they speed.

Wouldn't matter, niggers and spics don't care how many tickets they get they love speeding and street racing too much.

t.spic

Tax their wealth then.

>Be English
>learn that one of your Crown dependencies in the English channel has banned cars and has had them banned for a long time now.

Oh Sark, you are a weird one.

Wew lad that's quite the strawman you have there. We're talking speeding tickets, not full on communism.

How about this:
Punishment in the justice system should be equal for everyone.

>everyone now pays random niggers to buy them shit
>practically every item of any worth is purchased at 10% or less of it's actual value

where do you expect the rest of the money to come from then, Sherlock?

Offshore accounts :^)

Wasn't speeding considered a "minor offense not worth ruining anybodies life for", at least when it came to the question whether speeding criminal foreigners should be ausgeschafft?
You voted NEIN on that one.

Wtf I love communism now

I do hope you've rasied the overall speed limit then

Because going 50KPH all the time is fucking retarded

Poor people should be punished even more. Not only do they contribute little to nothing to country's wealth, but they're also breaking the law.

it already is, comrade.

>Complain when someone who breaks the same law gets a significantly lower punishment on account of refusing to get a job
Yeah, better get fined pennies, laugh the police in their face and break the law again and again because lol who cares about some change.

Capital controls and a global tax system with a tobin tax will stop that.

I'm curious why this angry Dutch ancap fag is so wound up.

Our traffic laws are basically a very convoluted way of telling foreigners they aren't welcome here.

>speed cameras everywhere
>mandatory prison time for speeding
>license revoked for 5rs on speeding
>car impounded and sold

Fuck you foreigners.

And how exactly do tickets punish people?

This, that's why it would work.

We have scummy rich Arabs that come to London once or twice a year (monarchy) to buy things from West End shops in their fleets of cars.

They laugh at the parking tickets and deliberately do shit to park and get a ticket.

So the deterrent of a parking ticket isn't working, we need to re-evaluate it and tbqh with this is a smart idea. It would stop those smug cunts and I doubt they'd want to keep paying an "XX hunder thousand/million" penalty.

Oh France, you love making money through punishment, some Saudi or something has said he would pay for every single fine issued to women caught wearing the Burqini in France, so rev up the cost of that fine into the millions of Euros and you'll have yourself a nice little earner there!

Strike three and they take your licence. Drive without licence and they take your car.

Based if true (I fucking hate testosterone drivers and the danger/noise they cause). But I assume it's just one of your Swiss lies.

Yeah, and one of those Replicators from Star Trek would make Communism work. Shame we can't live in a fantasy world.

theft
the more shit holes the better for those who respect freedoms and real justice

nigger the ticket isn't the punishment, it's a method of forcing poorer people (who don't have much to lose to begin with) to reconsider their choices. the actual punishment is demerit points on your license, higher insurance fees and the possibility of getting your license stripped or getting thrown in prison.

Why don't you get some white hools and smash their cars? That will teach them.

Yeah no way people can just EARN money or shit

>Wahhhhh some people have more munnies than other people that's unfair everybody should have the same or it's just not fair!
>I'm the baby

>No actual worker thinks like you
I'm an actual worker and I think like me, so qed leftard. Also, there isn't any colleague I know of who isn't right wing. Factory work actually pays rather well. It isn't the early 1900s anymore, things have changed, except your outdated and obsolete ideology, you air-headed fossil.

How can a person be as retarded as you are? Do you even know what a slave is? A slave works for nothing, I work for ample amounts of money. That's literally the difference.

>Slave: work, get nothing
>Worker (me): work, get money
>Parasite (you): do nothing, get money

Please do everybody a favour and end your miserable existence.

The post I was responsding to was. Learn to read. Although I shouldn't expect anything from a Scandinavian, you're all socialists.

See:

They do, it's been done but they just buy a new fleet of golden cars.

Every fucking year, they go through London, then Paris, then Milan and some other shopping places.

>they're made to make poor people follow the law
That's the dumbest shit I've ever heard

It's not a fantasy system. It's perfectly achievable with international cooperation. It's a question of political aims. Obviously capitalism doesn't want it. Socialism does and will enforce it whether the rich like it or not.

ch.ch/en/driving-over-speed-limit/

>If you exceed the speed limit by 25 km/h in built-up areas, 30 km/h out of built-up areas or by 35 km/h on the motorway, the offence will be entered into the register of criminal convictions and will be appear for a certain period on extracts from the register.

This means if you are living in switzerland as a foreigner with a permit you get deported lmao.

Repeat offenses:
>If you are caught speeding repeatedly, you will be banned from driving for a much longer period. In the case of excessive speeding violations, you will be banned from driving until it has been decided whether to permanently disqualify you. In addition, you will be assessed by a psychologist to see whether you are fit to drive.

Having to go to psychologist to see why you're such a stupid foreigner you cant obey law and need to be deported

Can't hear you over the gobbling of your masters gilded cock.

> (You)
>See:
Just because you say it isn't a problem doesn't mean it isn't a problem.

It's not like Dutch actually drive cars for any other purposes than to getting their wives to Jamal's house so not that I blame you for the ignorance. Plus, it's not anticonstitutional law.

do you think the average minimum wage worker is going to give a fuck about demerit points or higher insurance fees? they'll certainly care when they have to pay half a week's wage for a dumb fuck up.

for people who have their shit together, even the threat of a demerit point is enough to pull them back in line.

Fuck off, retard.

>angry toothpaste poster

Actually there is a minimum fine. Unpaid fines translate to imprisonment.

Because socialist countries are so powerful, right? The world quakes before the might of Sweden's military.

So it's the same weak laws as in Germany, I pretty much supposed so.
>tfw waiting makes "criminal offenses" magically unhappen

You're being silly. A parking ticket is to be a deterrent, we have those rich Arabs coming here and deliberately getting tickets to laugh about it.

A ticket proportionate to wage/holdings is a good move. See how smug those Saudi Billionaires are when they are fined xxx million. You think they'll keep fucking up our roads then?

I doubt it.

Oh sorry I got you confused with the Dutch guy.

Hangover is a bitch.

Poor cunt doesn t earn milions tho , it s fair .

>sweden
>socialist
American education

They'd actually have to catch them doing crimes, though. :^)

Step it up and get white hools (preferably Polish brutes) who smash their laughing shitskin faces.

We have the strictest traffic laws in the world. We're like reknown for how draconian our traffic laws are. The fuck are you saying you failed hungarian proxy state.

You are an avatar posting faggot who spreads Swiss lies.

Yeah, here if you go 71km/h in a 60km/h zone you get a speeding ticket of 500 USD.

But it is also true that rich people don't get arrested. Because everyone is not equal, as fascism teaches.

>he goes on Cred Forums
>he defends billionaires
>he likes the idea that they amass their wealth by exploiting loopholes and laws
>he wants them to keep all of their money, while posting from his mums basement
>he does it for free

The fines are supposed to deter people from doing it again.
When you're super rich a 20$ bill won't make you care.

Says the government slave who must keep sucking his master's dick so he'll steal your neetbuxx fron the working class. Whatever, can't hear you over the sound of all the money I earned by adding value to products with my labour just like Marxy boy said I should.

Did I mention the world would be better off with you being dead? Hell, we could enbalm your body and display it in a crystal coffin with gold trimming next to Lenin and still spend less money than we would when feeding you like a paraplegic infant all the way into old age

So, how many rich people have you seen deliberately speeding? Enough to change your entire legal system into an arbitrary money machine milking you for amounts arbitrarily based on what big brother thinks you earn?

>Unemployed refugee poster

Kek. He's a very angry chap.

>equal protection under the law
>everyone gets treated differently depending on how much money they make
fuck Finland

Why would they pay other prices for bread? The state has nothing to do with this. With the percentages i only meant taxes and fines. But as always you people need to think of retarded comparisons
jesus pol is now full of idiots

Why is it always hungarian posters that make such shitty posts. you're like the turbo-faggot leafs of europe. such an insignificant poor state produces so many shitty posters.

>taxes
>become more successful, other people get salty and decide to take your hard earned spoils

this kills the capitalism

As an American, I see nothing wrong with this. Then again, I have a tendency to piss people off by doing the speed limit. I even had to go to court over doing the speed limit and get a ticket thrown out.

Stay mad. Kek wills it.

1. Sweden isn't socialist. Private property exists.
2. Militaries have nothing to do with what I'm proposing

what the fuck are you even talking about, you just pay let's say 20% in taxes and that's it, no one cares if you make 200 dollars a month or 2 billions

>wealthy pay all the taxes
Burger, please. Rich people literally send their kids to fancy business schools so they can learn tax evasion just like they do.

>And guess what? If they keep speeding, ignoring tickets and warnings, they will die a la Ryan Dunn style.
Or they can also kill a couple of other innocent, traffic law abiding citizens with them.
Moron.

Finally, some common sense. It seems the mere thought of working people getting extorted out of their money by the state attracts leftards like flies to shit. I bet they jerk off to images of rich people being robbed or something. Compensating for their own self-induced poverty, of course, they just want to make other people poorer so their ineptitude doesn't show as much.

All they have to do is obey the traffic laws. If they don't, it's their fucking fault and problem.

I mean, I don't necessarily see a problem with a flat tax, so why not a flat fine? Nothing socialist about it.

nice

That's retarded, I'm glad the US doesn't do that. Basically, it's just an example of a country who doesn't like wealthy people.

>rich people (including drug traffickers and other hardened criminals) should be allowed to commit crimes as they wish
Gee, I wonder why the US are such a shithole.

1. Yeah, I fucked up. The swedeposting got ahead of me.
Still Cuba, Laos, Vietnam, and North Korea aren't exactly intimidating either. China is only tenuously socialist, considering recent steps taken to open up its economy to private investment. Even then, China's military is basically a paper tiger. It's just a shit ton of people, and it's not even a national army. It's the military wing of the PLA. They don't even have a joint command structure and are in drastic need of modernization.

2. The only way to carry out what you propose would be through military action. Nations will never cooperate on a large enough scale to pass some sort of global tax code. As evidenced by your own countrymen voting to leave the EU.

They socialist enough to have turned it into a shithole. If only they just made an island for your kind so you van role play all you want without hindering grown ups. Oh wait they did, it's called Cuba and people risk their lives navigating wooden rafts on the open sea to get off that wild ride. The last time they tried actual socialism in a civilised country, they had to build a wall with barbed wire, automated machine guns and land mines to keep people from leaving. The walhalla of capitalism however, needs to build a wall to keep people out. Do you not see the fucking difference, you dense motherfucker?

But a percentage fine is equality. A flat fine on the other hand is pure inequality as it hits people very differently based on how much money they have.

>Prison sentences are pure inequality because it hits people very differently based on how much time they have

>So, how many rich people have you seen deliberately speeding?
If I counted them I would discover unnamed numbers.
>Enough to change your entire legal system into an arbitrary money machine milking you for amounts arbitrarily based on what big brother thinks you earn?
Enough to change the system to discourage them from speeding.

>Cred Forums will say this doesnt work when there are countless examples of rich people not giving a single fuck about traffic rules

You realize this analogy doesnt work, right? All people have about the same time .

Lolbertarians will.

And lolbertarians are known for being wrong about basically everything so go figure.

(You)
Fines are supposed to be punishment.

until the rich realize that it would be even cheaper to simply gas people like you.

>>wealthy pay all the taxes

Not true, many wealthy earn their money from financial transactions which are ofte taxed at a lower rate than traditional salary.

you cannot have the socio-economic / wage disparity there is without fleecing the prole for the balance that the money junkies steal

Uh you really really suck at analogies.

Prison is a whole different story

In America, citizens are sovereign and are not obligated to pay ticket fines or even speak to police except to say: AM I BEING DETAINED?

What if you're unemployed and you get a ticket?

People who are saying its "unfair" are retarded
>whites and Asians willbe targeted more
You are still scum if you break a law, who cares. It's literally dindu-tier.
>poor pay no fines
Oh I bet the poor all have a car

I dont know about germany, but i asaume you have a higher tax rate than the US, and in the US, the entire bottom 50% are given more money directly from welfare programs than they pay into taxes, and when you include approximated benefits from social services, it is close to 75% who get more out than they put in.

Of course you have a car when you are dirt poor

Jailtime (which doesn't mean going through literal nigger hell, like the US - it's merely a big inconvenience for a few weeks).

But what if I have lods of emone and I'm just living off savings?

Holy fuck there is a shitload of communism in this thread. Bunch of fuckin red cunts

In America, black citizens are shot with one bullet for each mile of speed above the posted speed limit. This results in (((Soros))) funding exorbitant protests for shits and giggles.

Nine thousand and one such cases occurred last Thursday on just one street in North Carolina.

Unemployment brings with it plenty of time

It's a punishment which affects people differently and can be meted out in quantities, so the analogy, in contrast with most people itt, does work

You refuse to pay the fine and go to jail for an equivalent amount of time.
This is unironically an option for misdemeanours in Germany, I don't know how it is in Austria.

Also there is the insane and exotic option just to abide traffic laws :o

>just 3
It's like they're not even trying

>Unemployment brings with it plenty of time
20 years for industrial worker is the same as 20 years for a big company CEO and inner city nigger. Try to argue otherwise. There is a question of relativity of time but as long as we're speaking of living on earth it's not really significant.

I want to live in Finland now.

Seriously the more I hear the more I realize I just need to go back and save it from the niggers

They are full and don't like nogs.

That is not how it should be done. Picture semi related.

Honestly Netherlands, if rich people don't speed at all like you say I don't see how an income based punishment system would even affect them.

Sounds good in theory but you run into 2 problems:
1) Police ignore shitty cars. Priuses could have fucking meth labs in them and get away with it. Rich people would just bring everything to court and make a huge fuss about it since we're not some communist country with Civil Law.
2) Everyone would get more speeding tickets.

Try driving for once. No one can drive 1 miles without breaking the law since you'll get tail-gated if you try.

>How in the world is that a bad thing.
Its basically theft. The poor person doesn't have more cops coming after them to bring in more money.

I think we can all agree that the cops don't need more fucking money. If the cash was burned, then it'd be OK but its not and that's the problem.

>It's basically theft
>The poor person doesn't have more cops coming after them to bring in more money.

I don't think cops are allowed to take your money.
Unless you go over the speed limit that is.
Is following the law somehow harder for rich people?

>Not true, poor people are simply enslaved for breaking the law and the rich easily pay their way out.
The poor are fucked over to keep them out of the economy and prevent them from competing with the established elites.

The rich have investments and don't rely on income. The poor Black kid now has MORE cops driving around and the argument that "oh, well, the rich are getting fucked too" doesn't fix shit.

Also, the rich "pay their way out" so that they don't get their reputation hurt. They don't want to be humiliated and the cops don't want a lawsuit.