German scientists were recorded after the dropping of the A-Bomb

>WEIZSÄCKER: One can say it might have been a much greater tragedy for the world if Germany had had the uranium bomb. Just imagine, if we had destroyed LONDON with uranium bombs it would not have ended the war, and when the war did end, it is still doubtful whether it would have been a good thing.

[ . . . ]

>HEISENBERG: Yes. (Pause) About a year ago, I heard from SEGNER (?) from the Foreign Office that the Americans had threatened to drop a uranium bomb on Dresden if we didn't surrender soon. At that time I was asked whether I thought it possible, and, with complete conviction, I replied: 'No'.
>WIRTZ: I think it characteristic that the Germans made the discovery and didn't use it, whereas the Americans have used it. I must say I didn't think the Americans would dare to use it.

4. HAHN and LAUE discussed the situation together. HAHN described the news as a
tremendous achievement without parallel in history and LAUE expressed the hope of speedy
release from detention in the light of these new events.

5. When GERLACH left the room he went straight to his bedroom where he was heard to be
sobbing. VON LAUE and HARTECK went up to see him and tried to comfort him. He
appeared to consider himself in the position of a defeated General, the only alternative open
to whom is to shoot himself. Fortunately he had no weapon and he was eventually
sufficiently calmed by his colleagues. In the course of conversation with VON LAUE and
HARTECK, he made the following remarks:

>GERLACH: When I took this thing over, I talked it over with HEISENBERG and HAHN, and I said to my wife: "The war is lost and the result will be that as soon as the enemy enters the country I shall be arrested and taken away".
>I only did it because, I said to myself, this is a German affair and we must see that German physics are preserved. I never for a moment thought of a bomb but I said to myself: "If HAHN has made this discovery, let us at least be the first to make use of it". When we get back to Germany we will have a dreadful time. We will be looked upon as the ones who have sabotaged everything. We won't remain alive long there. You can be certain that there are many people in Germany who say that it is our fault. Please leave me alone.

6. A little later, HAHN went up to comfort GERLACH when the following conversation
ensued:

>HAHN: Are you upset because we did not make the uranium bomb? I thank God on my bended knees that we did not make a uranium bomb. Or are you depressed because the Americans could do it better than we could?

>GERLACH: Yes.

>HAHN: Surely you are not in favor of such an inhuman weapon as the uranium bomb?

>GERLACH: No. We never worked on the bomb. I didn't believe that it would go so quickly. But I did think that we should do everything to make the sources of energy and exploit the possibilities for the future. When the first result, that the concentration was very increased with the cube method, appeared, I spoke to SPEER's right hand man, as SPEER was not available at the time, an Oberst GEIST first, and later SAUCKEL at WEIMAR asked me:
>"What do you want to do with these things?", I replied: "In my opinion the politician who is in possession of such an engine can achieve anything he wants". About ten days or a fortnight before the final capitulation, GEIST replied: "Unfortunately we have not got such a politician".

>HAHN: I am thankful that we were not the first to drop the uranium bomb.

>GERLACH: You cannot prevent its development. I was afraid to think of the bomb, but I did think of it as a thing of the future, and that the man who could threaten the use of the bomb would be able to achieve anything. That is exactly what I told GEIST, SAUCKEL and MURR. HEISENBERG was there at STUTTGART at the time.

(Enter HARTECK)

>Tell me, HARTECK, isn't it a pity that the others have done it?

>HAHN: I am delighted.

>GERLACH: Yes, but what were we working for?

[ . . . ]

>GERLACH: We must not say in front of these two Englishmen that we ought to have done more about the thing. WIRTZ said that we ought to have worked more on the separation of isotopes. It's another matter to say that we did not have sufficient means but one cannot say in front of an Englishman that we didn't try hard enough. They were our enemies, although we sabotaged the war. There are some things that one knows and one can discuss together but that one cannot discuss in the presence of Englishmen.

>HAHN: I must honestly say that I would have sabotaged the war if I had been in a position to do so.

7. HAHN and HEISENBERG discussed the matter alone together. HAHN explained to HEISENBERG that he was himself very upset about the whole thing. He said he could not really understand why GERLACH had taken it so badly.
HEISENBERG said he could understand it because GERLACH was the only one of them who had really wanted a German victory, because although he realized the crimes of the Nazis and disapproved of them, he could not get away from the fact that he was working for GERMANY. HAHN replied that he too loved his country and that, strange as it might appear, it was for this reason that he had hoped for her defeat.
HEISENBERG went on to say that he thought the possession of the uranium bomb would strengthen the position of the Americans vis–a–vis the Russians.

They continued to discuss the same theme as before, that they had never wanted to work on a bomb and had been pleased when it was decided to concentrate everything on the engine. HEISENBERG stated that the people in Germany might say that they should have forced the authorities to put the necessary means at their disposal and to release 100,000 men in order to make the bomb and he feels himself that had they been in the same moral position as the Americans and had said to themselves that nothing mattered except that HITLER should win the war, they might have succeeded, whereas in fact they did not want him to win.
HAHN admitted however that he had never thought that a German defeat would produce such terrible tragedy for his country. They then went on to discuss the feelings of the British and American scientists who had perfected the bomb and HEISENBERG said he felt it was a
different matter in their case as they considered HITLER a criminal. They both hoped that the new discovery would in the long run be a benefit to mankind.

[ . . . ]

>HEISENBERG: Perhaps they have done nothing more than produce 235 and make a bomb with it. Then there must be any number of scientific matters which it would be interesting to work on.

>HAHN: Yes, but they must prevent the Russians from doing it.

>HEISENBERG: I would like to know what STALIN is thinking this evening. Of course they have got good men like LANDAU, and these people can do it too. There is not much to it if you know the fission. The whole thing is the method of separating isotopes.

>HAHN: No, in that respect the Americans and in fact all the Anglo–Saxons are vastly superior to them. I have a feeling that the Japanese war will end in the next few days and then we will probably be sent home fairly soon and everything will be much easier than it was before. Who knows that it may not be a blessing after all?

8. The guests decided among themselves that they must not outwardly show their concern. In consequence they insisted on playing cards as usual till after midnight. VON WEIZSÄCKER, WIRTZ, HARTECK, and BAGGE remained behind after the others had gone to bed. The following conversation took place:

>BAGGE: We must take off our hats to these people for having the courage to risk so many millions.

>HARTECK: We might have succeeded if the highest authorities had said 'We are prepared to sacrifice everything'.

>WEIZSÄCKER: In our case even the scientists said it couldn't be done.

>BAGGE: That's not true. You were there yourself at that conference in Berlin. I think it was on 8 September that everyone was asked – GEIGER, BOTHE and you, HARTECK, were there too– and everyone said that it must be done at once. Someone said 'Of course it is an open question whether one ought to do a thing like that.' Thereupon BOTHE got up and said 'Gentlemen, it must be done.' Then GEIGER got up and said 'If there is the slightest chance that it is possible – it must be done.' That was on 8 September '39.

Here you go!

>WEIZSÄCKER: I don't know how you can say that. 50% of the people were against it.

>HARTECK: All the scientists who understood nothing about it, all spoke against it, and of those who did understand it, one third spoke against it. As 90% of them didn't understand it, 90% spoke against it. We knew that it could be done in principal, but on the other hand we realized that it was a frightfully dangerous thing.

>BAGGE: If the Germans had spent 10 milliard marks on it and it had not succeeded, all physicists would have had their heads cut off.

>WIRTZ: The point is that in Germany very few people believed in it. And even those who were convinced it could be done did not all work on it.

[ . . . ]

>WIRTZ: KORSHING is really right when he said there wasn't very good co–operation in the uranium group as GERLACH said. GERLACH actually worked against us. He and DIEBNER worked against us the whole time. In the end they even tried to take the engine away from us. If a German Court were to investigate the whole question of why it did not succeed in Germany it would be a very, very dangerous business. If we had started properly in 1939 and gone all out everything would have been alright.

>HARTECK: Then we would have been killed by the British 'Secret Service'.

>WIRTZ: I am glad that it wasn't like that otherwise we would all be dead.

[ . . . ]

9. GERLACH and HEISENBERG had a long discussion in GERLACH's room which went on half the night. In the course of this conversation they repeated most of the statements that had been made in the course of the general conversation downstairs and have been already reported. The following are extracts from the conversation:

>GERLACH: I never thought of the bomb, all I wanted was that we should do everything possible to develop HAHN's discovery for our country.

>HEISENBERG: I am still convinced that our objective was really the right one and that the fact that we concentrated on uranium may give us the chance of collaboration. I believe this uranium business will give the Anglo–Saxons such tremendous power that EUROPE will become a bloc under Anglo–Saxon domination. If that is the case it will be a very good thing. I wonder whether STALIN will be able to stand up to the others as he has done in the past.

[ . . . ]

>GERLACH: If Germany had had a weapon which would have won the war, then Germany would have been in the right and the others in the wrong, and whether conditions in Germany are better now than they would have been after a HITLER victory –

>HEISENBERG: I don't think so. On the other hand, the days of small countries are over. Suppose HITLER had succeeded in producing his EUROPE and there had been no uranium in EUROPE.

>GERLACH: If we had really planned a uranium engine – in the summer of 1944 we would not have had a bomb – and that had been properly handled from a propaganda point of view –

>HARTECK: That might have been a basis for negotiation. It would have been a basis for negotiation for any other German Government, but not for HITLER.

>GERLACH: I went to my downfall with open eyes, but I thought I would try and save German physics and German physicists, and in that I succeeded.

>HEISENBERG: Perhaps German physics will be able to collaborate as part of a great Western group.

[ . . . ]

>HEISENBERG: It seems to me that the sensible thing for us to do is to try and work in collaboration with the Anglo–Saxons. We can do that now with a better conscience because one sees that they will probably dominate EUROPE. It is clear that people like CHADWICK and CHERWELL have considerable influence.

>Anglo-Saxon dominance

How could they be so wrong? How did they (the Germans) lose?

WW2 perplexes me to no extent.

Is there any more?

10. WIRTZ and WEIZSÄCKER discussed the situation together in their room. VON WEIZSÄCKER expressed the opinion that none of them had really worked seriously on uranium with the exception of WIRTZ and HARTECK.
He also accused GERLACH and DIEBNER of sabotage. WIRTZ expressed horror that the Allies had used the new weapon. They went on to discuss the possibility of the Russians discovering the secret and came to the conclusion that they would not succeed under ten years. They went on as follows:

>WIRTZ: It seems to me that the political situation for STALIN has changed completely now.

>WEIZSÄCKER: I hope so. STALIN certainly has not got it yet. If the Americans and the British were good Imperialists they would attack STALIN with the thing tomorrow, but they won't do that, they will use it as a political weapon. Of course that is good, but the result will be a peace which will last until the Russians have it, and then there is bound to be war.

At this point HEISENBERG joined WIRTZ and WEIZSÄCKER. The following remarks were
passed:

[ . . . ]

>WEIZSÄCKER: Our strength is now the fact that we are 'un–Nazi'.

[ . . . ]

>WEIZSÄCKER: I admit that after this business I am more ready to go back to GERMANY, in spite of the Russian advance.

>WIRTZ: My worst fears have been realized with regard to the complications which will now arise about us.

>HEISENBERG: I believe that we are now far more bound up with the Anglo–Saxons than we were before as we have no possibility of switching over to the Russians even if we wanted to.

>WIRTZ: They won't let us.

>HEISENBERG: On the other hand we can do it with a good conscience because we can see that in the immediate future GERMANY will be under Anglo–Saxon influence.

>WIRTZ: That is an opportunist attitude.

>HEISENBERG: But at the moment it is very difficult to think otherwise because one does not know what is better.

>>HEISENBERG: On the other hand we can do it with a good conscience because we can see that in the immediate future GERMANY will be under Anglo–Saxon influence.

youtube.com/watch?v=EdBQ3fiddjA

(((Anglo-Saxon))), no?

Surely they must have been aware to the JQ? Not every cunt of the Anglo-Saxon power were actually Englishmen. We were usurped throughout 1650's+

They are well after the Fall of Berlin, and by Anglo-saxon dominance I suppose that they refer to the combined resources and numbers of UK+USA.

Some believe that these guys were misleading on purpose the requirements to make the nuke. Heisenberg especially, in just two weeks after this he worked out by himself how the americans had made it.

Even so Germany was at that time focused on the short term war effort and had no men or resources to spare in an operation like Manhattan (that is, if they truly believed it was astronomically difficult).

pretty awesome thanks for posting OP. nice little window into history. pretty hilarious that they all seemed bummed about not having enough resources. its true, they had the ideas in place but not enough resources, the nazis didnt take them seriously and didnt want to invest the money or resources

(cont.)

>WEIZSÄCKER: If I ask myself for which side I would prefer to work of course I would say for neither of them.

11. DIEBNER and BAGGE also discussed the situation alone together as follows:

>BAGGE: What do you think will happen to us now?

>DIEBNER: They won't let us go back to GERMANY. Otherwise the Russians will take us. It is quite obvious what they have done; they have just got some system other than ours. If a man like GERLACH had been there earlier, things would have been different.

>BAGGE: GERLACH is not responsible, he took the thing over too late. On the other hand it is quite obvious that HEISENBERG was not the right man for it. The tragedy is that KORSHING is right in the remarks he made to GERLACH. I think it is absurd for WEIZSÄCKER to say he did not want the thing to succeed.
>That may be so in his case, but not for all of us. WEIZSÄCKER was not the right man to have done it. HEISENBERG could not convince anyone that the whole thing depended on the separation of isotopes. The whole separation of isotopes was looked upon as a secondary thing. When I think of my own apparatus – it was done against HEISENBERG's wishes.

>DIEBNER: Now the others are going to try and make up to the Major and sell themselves. Of course they can do what they like with us now; they don't need us at all.

[ . . . ]

>BAGGE: You can't blame SPEER as none of the scientists here forced the thing through. It was impossible as we had no one in GERMANY who had actually separated uranium. There were no mass–spectrographs in GERMANY.

>DIEBNER: They all failed. WALCHER(?) and HERTZOG(?) wanted to build one, but they didn't succeed.

12. Although the guests retired to bed about 1.30, most of them appear to have spent a somewhat disturbed night judging by the deep sighs and occasional shouts which were heard during the night. There was also a considerable amount of coming and going along
the corridors.

You cant develop nukes without jewish master race being involved. The nazis sent them into labor camps or forced them out. Jews received almost all nobel prices in physics and chemistry at the time. It was jewish scientists who built the American bombs. Good karma.

The thing is - even Churchill realised that much, judging from what he wrote before he came to power. But he still went along. It's just such a complete mess of inconsistencies; and I mean all of it. What the fuck happened back then? It's mind-boggling to me. There's even old photos of Winston posing with the Kaiser. Where did all go wrong?

On the morning of 7 August the guests read the newspapers with great avidity. Most of the morning was taken up reading these.

[ . . . ]

4. GERLACH and VON LAUE discussed the position of Niels BOHR and the part he had played.
GERLACH said he was very upset about this as he had personally vouched for BOHR to the German Government.
VON LAUE said that one could not believe everything that appeared in the newspapers.

5. In a conversation with VON LAUE, VON WEIZSÄCKER said it will not be long before the names of the German scientists appear in the newspapers and that it would be a long time before they would be able to clear themselves in the eyes of their own countrymen.
He wenton to quote from the newspaper that we were unable to control the energy, from which he assumed that we were not yet in possession of a uranium engine, so that their work would still be of considerable value. He ended by saying:

>WEIZSÄCKER: History will record that the Americans and the English made a bomb, and that at the same time the Germans, under the HITLER regime, produced a workable engine. In other words, the peaceful development of the uranium engine was made in GERMANY under the HITLER regime, whereas the Americans and the English developed this ghastly weapon of war.

[ . . . ]

7. In a conversation between WIRTZ, VON WEIZSÄCKER and HEISENBERG, HEISENBERG repeated that in July 1944 a senior SS official had come to him and asked him whether he seriously believed that the Americans could produce an atomic bomb. He said he had told him that in his opinion it was absolutely possible as the Americans could work much better and quicker than they could.

VON WEIZSÄCKER again expressed horror at the use of the weapon and HEISENBERG replied that had they produced and dropped such a bomb they would certainly have been executed as War Criminals having made the "most devilish thing imaginable".
(((THE END)))

user this is a fantastic read

One of the most interesting things ive read in recent times. Thanks Spain.

This Korsching guy is a fucking asshole.

>muh front page of plebit

Honestly the thread of the month for me. Interesting stuff user.

You're welcome lads.

catalan jew in fact. One more bump!

cool. thanks buddy

They mention that if the men from the V1 and V2 projects were redirected onto nuclear weapons, they might have had a shot at it. But it might not have been the war ending weapon, even the total destruction of london wouldn't have ended the war.

i have a book on this called Hitler's Uranium Club

like after 44/45, and they're "If it's easy and the Allies know it’s easy, then they know that we will soon
find out how to do it if we go on working."
Where were these German scientists at the time?
Brief me, OP.
Odd.

>WEIZSÄCKER: I think it's dreadful of the Americans to have done it. I think it is madness on their part.
>HEISENBERG: One can't say that. One could equally well say "That's the quickest way of ending the war.”

Really activates my almonds.

I think OP is going to build a nuke.

'let's cuck this shitty country with the angloblood lmao'
> t. Heisen(((berg)))

...

>germanhistorydocs.ghi-dc.org/pdf/eng/English101.pdf

I am wondering if they are working with the soviets.

Fake and gay

>>WEIZSÄCKER: I think it's dreadful of the Americans to have done it. I think it is madness on their part.
dem sour grapes though

They were in British custody having been captured earlier in 1945 (May/June)

>german scientists

Churchill was one of the first and most vocal opposers of Hitler what are you on about?

>That shows at any rate that the Americans are capable of real cooperation on a tremendous scale. That would have been impossible in Germany. Each one said that the other was unimportant.

Crabs in a barrel, man

U S A
U S A
U S A

this was on reddit frontpage this morning
are you from reddit?

No, the recordings and transcripts are from Farm Hall in Godmanchester. Read up on Operation Epsilon and the Alsos Mission.

That he seemed to initially be fine with Germans and wrote about Jews in much the same way he also wrote about Muslims. But then Hitler comes to power and - well.

>Where were these German scientists at the time?

____________

"After the end of the war, both the Western Allies and the Soviet Union tried to recruit the German scientists for their own purposes. From July 3, 1945, to January 3, 1946, the Allies incarcerated ten German nuclear physicists at the English country estate of Farm Hall, their goal being to obtain information about the German nuclear research project by way of surreptitiously taped conversations."

____________

>Germans have always been selfhating cucks
lmao

>Studied people have always been selfhating cucks
There you go.

Lurk on history subs from time to time. To get the wheat from the chaff for you guys..
You mad Wilhelm?

"That's not possible"

"They have some secret material "

"I'm GLAD we didn't win"

"I can't believe they did it"

"Look on the bright side"

>this was on reddit frontpage this morning

And how the fuck do you know that you swiss faggot?

מצוין, סוף סוף, את היריב נופל על הטריק.

Great to know that user

Im glad we nuked japan. They were batshit crazy during ww2 and a land invasion world have been way more costly than the nuking.

Thanks op, great read

much more importantly it broke their spirit forever

>ZOG
ZOG
ZOG
Ftfy

From reading this it sounds like the Germans were working on making some kind of reactor or atomic engine, rather than a bomb?

>WEIZSÄCKER: I believe the reason we didn't do it was because all the physicists didn't want to do it, on principle. If we had all wanted Germany to win the war we would have succeeded.
>HAHN: I don't believe that but I am thankful we didn't succeed.

The cuck gene is strong with this one. Fuck these guys.

Ye ye America, just tell that yourself... More costly. Pah

You nuked our brothers, and one day you will pay

They were making UFO's

>"I'm GLAD we didn't win"

The eternal kraut strikes again

how would you know?

unless you're from rebbit

fucking anglos, they need americans, french and russians against the master race

>>KORSHING: We will never go home again.

>If you nuke your enemy they win

t. Eternal Kraut

You should read the last chapter in the book "hitlers revolution by tedor" on how the resitance/traitors fucked up the german war effort. As a german, this makes my blood boil. Thanks to them:

>spain didnt enter the war
>Normany invasion was known and troops diverted to other places
>gave all attack plans so britains and USSR
>fucked up eastern front by falsifying reports, delaying/stopping support deliveries etc...

They even fucked up stalingrad by sending no supplies or the wrong ones, diverted troops to the wrong places on purpose etc... You have 500-600k dead german soldiers due to the resistance alone, possibly more. Without them, the eastern front would have looked way different... and the western too after 1943.

Fukken awesome find man

Whats yout fucking endgame man? you seem to BTFO yourself on every chance you get.

You know how you had a cold war with the Soviets for fifty years and everything seems to be strangely socialist and/or at least subverted nowadays? That's Eastern European Jews for you. Now imagine one against them for fivehoundred years.

Well for the resistance it looked like this: Military officers were originally picked from prussian aristocrats, so privilige through heritage. When Hitler came, he changed that to "the most capable will get the position no matter where he is from". Hitler removed class struggle as much as possible. The military aristocrats didn't like that, so they didn't like Hitler... thats all. The higher ranking resistance officers were like 80% aristocrats and they did it because they were mad Hitler took away their lollipops.

Too 'smart' to submit to ((them)) like the rest of the West.

Not ruthless enough to fight them by whatever means necessary.

Believe it or not: empathy. At least for the common man participating on the war effort.

What did we learn today on 'How to win a war against a worldwide coalition'?

Gassing jews makes your people selfhating cucks
Trust your scientists
Cooperation is good
Don't go to war with the US

Implying the Germans had a chance once they decided to go their own way without consent of the powers that be. UK and US would have entered the war anyways, sooner or later the propaganda permeates the citizenry and they will get their puppet in power. Then you also have to fight another head of the hydra on the east that will devour you no matter what.

Doomed from the start. Not enough pop and resources.

They had plenty of chances to win, but that's probably too broad a topic for this thread.

Actually with a few twists they could have won which included not getting involved with the US or forced surrender through negotiations (i.e. we give back britain so you can get all your loans back, else you have huge economic damage).

>remove traitors in own ranks
>be the ruthless dictator propaganda tells us today (especially against britain)
>create russian propaganda for liberation from communism when attacking (and attack 2 weeks earlier)
>Tell japanese to naval blockade the USSR to stop lend lease

These three alone would be enough to let communism collapse rather quick and without an eastern front, britain wouldn't have a good outlook anymore. Then the US would have no place to land in 1944 and then it becomes utterless meaningless to continue.

nuclear heat jet turbine

good way to harness thermal to kinetic.

>JIDF shill spotted
Gtfo Chaim

For fuck sakes, thank you for posting something of worth & actual interesting valuable info.

We need that shit every now and then.

Now back to the dankest of memes!

Fake.
There were no Germans back then, just krauts.

They knew full well what was ahead if they lost.

youtube.com/watch?v=yUyzeb3_jIA

Goddamn, even back then scientists were liberal. I wonder how they'd feel to see the shitskin invasion.

nazis confirmed better humans than the americans