>Liam Fox: Britain will be great again after Brexit
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>David Cameron 'let down' by Theresa May, says former PM aide
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>Bitter anti-Brexit campaigners DEMAND release of Article 50 legal details to force MP vote
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>Fear of seeming racist is enabling female genital mutilation
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>Corbyn appeals for unity after re-election
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>blairites sign letter
>put down all their names in writing
>let corbyn know who to send to the gulag
Played like a fiddle.
first for SNP-Corbyn alliance to murder the New Labour party.
I AM THE PLP
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>The last year of British politics
Labour will only split if we meme hard enough lads
First for Norn Iron aka Quasi-Bong Land.
so what are they going to name the new party?
I've been coughing a lot lately lads but I don't have the flu and I don't smoke either.
I'm getting a bit worried now. Should I go see the quack?
i kind of agree but i can't help but think how easy it would have been to say this about labour a few years ago
>yfw the split is real and is on the news tomorrow
What time will the debate be on our time lads?
Is Scotland going to be the opposition party next term?
The Progress Party or some neo-liberal anti-white shit
the left always eats itself, right is usually more pragmatic
Yes.
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Yes, if you have a persistent cough for over a week or so you should get to the GP, you could have something wrong.
Blue Labour will be the Blairites
Corbyn will lead the Republican Socialist Labour Party
So what's the deal with corbyn? Do people fear him?
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What will the new party be called?
Lads- is craigslist hook ups worth it?
Probably some stupid meme name like the New Democrats or something
>Do people fear him?
HAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHA
AHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
wait
AHAHAHAHAHHAHAHA
The media fears him in unison so that's good reason to listen to him desu
AHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH THE LEFT IS DEAD
If you want the fucking clap
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>The Democrats
>The Progressives
>The Social Party
Just any milquetoast centre-leftish name will do
The elites do. If he had his way he'd abolish the monarchy and house of lords, nationalise the banks and public industries, institute proportional representation, raise taxes and crack down on tax evasion, break up the military industrial complex.
The media may treat him as a joke but if he ever gets power they'd scream bloody murder.
it's bloody ridiculous that we're even having to have this argument
I used to have hundreds of lovely kristen photos on my old computer. Anime centuar girl porn aswell
Pls explain?
The organisation is dying, but we must defeat the ideology itself.
>Do people fear him?
>when the blairites purge themselves for you
splitting now would be dumb, it makes it look like they're butthurt because the labour electorate didn't vote the way they were supposed to. which is true, but you don't want people to know that.
it would be more sensible to wait until corbyn makes a real or perceived blunder and use that as a pretext for a split. they already did this once using the EU referendum. if they split now with no pretext it's going to be a grand mess.
The only ridiculous thing I've heard out of him was scrapping Trident but other than that I haven't heard anything outrageous. He can't be as bad as the media makes him out to be.
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The answer is no. Corbyn is pretty much seen as a whacko pacifist ninny and unelectable.
A bit like how Cred Forums sees swedes
The key is the Unite Union elections, they are coming up soon.
This will put enormous pressure on them to make it all about Corbyn.
so he's a real communist?
>when you killed the only thing standing between the people and the tory reich
I guarantee they will be pushing the anti-semitic thing
here's a tip: he isn't a fan of israel
i'll let you work out why the media hate him
He's a big guy
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He'd literally be a standard social democrat in somewhere like Norway or Denmark. That he's portrayed as some Stalinist bent on nationalising the toothbrush industry shows how far to the right British political discourse has moved over the last 35 years.
The Reich it is.
What does that mean
The based double agent strikes again
So if 84 MPs ditch Labour that means they go down to 146.
Given that position do you think they gain or lose seats if a general election were to happen in the near future?
Or another way of putting it: if there is no split would Labour as they are now lose more than 84 seats in a GE?
>Do people fear him?
Absolutely
There are quite a few things:
>free university (basically just a middle class subsidy)
>Joint Argentine-British governance of the Falklands
>The end of any private involvement in the NHS
>Nationalised energy and rail
>OC
>no (you)s
Come on lads that took me a few minutes
If you wish to collect a wide array of interesting and uncomfortable STI/STD's then go ahead and fuck craigslist whores.
>This will change the face of UK politics.
well he wasn't wrong
as we take you through
this fucking monkey rap
Oh my fucking word
these people
a communist would want to abolish private property. Corbyn's nowhere near that. In your country he'd just be a member of the social democrats or left party.
>He'd literally be a standard social democrat in somewhere like Norway or Denmark.
Yeah... Those free market capitalist societies
checked
>TV star Liz Carr launched a brutal attack on Tory austerity in a spellbinding speech at the Mirror's Labour Conference fringe .
>“We are told – and I've heard this before - that 'work sets you free'. Where have we heard that before?'” she rapped.
>“Sorry, but it needs to be said.”
How does that contradict anything I said? Pretty much everything Corbyn proposes is already in place there, even in Germany the trains are publicly owned
The Falklands is retarded alright but I don't think the rest are inherently bad. My biggest gripe with public services is the inefficiency of them, other than that I don't mind the people of my nation availing of subsidized services. He's not too vocal about migration, is he? What's is stance on that?
I wont go fucking bareback
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HAHAHAHAHAHAHAhahahahaha....
Oh wait, they aren't being sarcastic?
For jews.
what does this mean?
remember when people were praising him for reading questions from the public because cameron wouldn't be able to dodge them then cameron went on to never actually answer a single question put to him?
You can still get STDs from even kissing and raw oral sex.
I think he's pro-freedom of movement. Apart from that he tends to tow the standard spiel about celebrating our diversity and anti-racism.
Her fucking head has more of a resemblance to the Nazi's then the Tory's
Sorry but it needed to be said
Good things ours arent. Germanys trains are utter dogshit
Wtf do you think?
His qualms with the EU were nothing to do with migration.... But workers rights.
He loves migration, diversity, I think he spoke with refugees welcome protesters
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Will they have to balls to hold by-elections?
I'm sure the Conservatives would appreciate increasing their majority by 80 odd seats
WTF is that thing and why wasn't it casted as gollum in LoTR?
Corbyn is against free market capitalism...
>the Labour Party will die in your lifetime
>the UK Conserative government will have no serious opposition for multiple terms in your lifetime
>the Conservative Blairites will govern the UK for at least the next 9 years
Also does anyone else kek heartily when those Labour cunts whine about boundary changes and gerrymandering when they did the most of it under Blair? If they took electoral reform seriously for proportionality when they had the chance then it wouldn't even be a problem.
A good chunk of Labour MPs might be resigning from the party, meaning that they'd be independent MPs.
It was a great thing at first, but then it became a spicy Commons meme and absolutely no-one could take it seriously.
The British left is kill.
it was a bit shite mate. just a split logo sign on corbyns face? not a joke. not a point. there isnt even a communist meme in sight.
RUB A DUB DUB
THREE DUBS IN THE TUB
>I once heard a Tory use the word 'the'
>You know who else used that word? Oswald Mosley!
>Sorry, but it needs to be said
off to bed lads
hopefully I wake up to Blairites sentenced to hard labour in gulags
Corbyn should be smiling.
He's won. They've taken the party brand.
Literal Communism is terrible, the whole idea of wealth distribution is nuts. I'm not strongly opposed to socialism desu, it's when it's available to every brown person who wants it is when it fails in all ways, ideologically especially.
Ah fuck him then.
>Labour split
>Boundary changes
Holy fuck.
Nope
They've got 54-56 MPs
Labour will still have about 100 and the Tony Blair's cock in a jar marinading in Iraqi Blood party will have 84 or so.
So Labour will be the opposition but the SNP will be displaced as the third party. I don't think they'd even got a chance to draw a moustache on all the Liberal Democrat pictures of Asquith yet.
yfw SNP opposition with Corbynista alliance.
yfw Scotland v England politics in house of parliaments
What is that thing?
What did he do?
Wakey wakey
Communism and socialism are not mutually exclusive. Communism is socialist.
Socialism is a broad ideological frame for a variety of beliefs that are founded on the principle that, generally, wealth and liberty should be equally shared by all in a society.
You can have a huge number of flavours of socialism, and Corbyn's is an old school '70s-'80s democratic socialism, the last real generation of political socialism in this country that doesn't have to also be called 'centrist'.
Brown did that by:
A) Bottling it
B) Making the traditional Labour mistake of taking "a term out" instead of doing literally anything including rimming nick clegg and salmond in order to get a temporary coalition to ram through a PR voting system and call a new election in 2010. (This would not only have increased Labour's long term chances, but also have possibly meant a Lib-Lab government.)
Labour didn't die in 2016, it died between 2005 and 2010.
So what are they going to do?
Leave Labor and form a New party that combines the economic policy of the Tories with the social policies of the Greens?
Who is meant to vote for Labor without gibs?
>>free university (basically just a middle class subsidy)
University has practically become the bare bones requirement for a large majority of jobs. Expecting people to take on debt just to get entry level work is pathetic. I don't see people suggesting kids to pay money during apprenticeship. The way I see it, industry in the UK should sponsor kids to get degrees after A levels instead of the idiotic UCAS system.
They are going to make the 80's look like a picnic with what the 10's are about to be
I dont do that either.
I just want to stick my dick in a pussy. And a handjob. I dont want her mouth touching me.
immigrantspoliticalparty.co.uk
>Claiming to be red pilled
>not voting for the based Immigrants party
PLEASE LET IT ACTUALLY BE HAPPENING
TOMORROW BELONGS TO US
To be fair, "the" and "work sets you free" aren't exactly fungible. It's a "Man considered crazy socialist gives chancellor copy of the little red book" tier fuckup.
He's an old school anti-semitic commie unionist from what I understand. Nu-Labor Neo Libs can't serve their corporate pay masters and bourgeois London voting base if he's around.
The number needs to be greater than 84 for that to work.
After the split Labour would still have 146.
SNP have 54.
Blairites have 84.
SNP-Blairite coalition would have 138.
So the magic number would be 88 to draw even with post-split Labour, unless they can get support from elsewhere.
But it's all hypothetical. There have been theories about SNP alliances before and they're generally unfounded most of the time. Almost everyone in Parliament hates them including Blairites and they're just not team players.
> Let's stop academic inflation with more academic inflation
>labour splitting
this can't be real
it literally can't be
why are you allowed to do this
this is not fair
>tfw you realise they are defecting to the Liberal Democrats
>tfw almost none of the just-before-blair era spitting image episodes are on YouTube
>Demands
>DEMANDS
>Immigrants should be given proportional representations in the House of Lords and in government departments, specially immigration.
What true, Brit could argue with this inalienable right?
Labour died when Neil Kinnock realised that left socialism is unelectable and began the New Labour project.
Everything since then has been nothing but PR and lying to tribalist voters. Labour is not a party, it's a con. And the Conservatives have become the exact same from the other side too.
If Labour were led by the PLP (or if Miliband won the last election), they would be virtually indistinguishable from the Conservatives under Cameron. Elections aren't won by ideology anymore, it's who the middle voters trust the most to simply run things and keep them safe.
>Who is meant to vote for Labor without gibs?
Middle class people who're too stuck up to vote Tory but also "very serious people" who won't vote for the Greens or (in the past) the SNP.
Some of them went Lib-Dem instead. Most of them are discovering that they are Tories.
HNNNNGH
>Joint Argentine-British governance of the Falklands
Gonna need a source on that
I'm not suggesting what you think I suggested.
The system in place, simply put, allows uninformed kids to take on debt just to be eligible for jobs. If it goes on like this then it would just be another bubble waiting to burst.
If you read what I wrote, it is clear that I propose industry take on the role to sponsor (pay) for kids to get educated with a promise of work at the end of it.
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I am physically aroused
Oh man I was telling my shithead leftist Corbyn supporting friend yesterday that Labour is kill.
We are living in a meme reality now.
I miss the Filipino guy
SDLP mk2
It's the 80's all over again.
My cock, imagine the misery
Well, I mean in the sense that any worthwhile Labour party died, that was 1994 with John Smith. Kinnock's reforms left the party in a semi-reasonable state going forward, and Smith was more of the same.
Blair dragged the party closer to the Tories for literally no reason (well, because it was his personal ideological project to purge the left and make Labour a "natural party of government.")
>Elections aren't won by ideology anymore, it's who the middle voters trust the most to simply run things and keep them safe.
This is definitely true, however.
It's almost a shame the UK left has had so many missed opportunities.
>If Heath had won in 1974, the Conservatives would've got the blame for the winter of discontent and Dennis Healey would've been PM in 1979-83
>If Argentina had waited until after the 1983 election to invade the Falklands, the SDP would either be in government or be in coalition, instead of having unrestrained neoliberalism.
>If something like 50,000 voters had gone differently in 1992
>If John Smith hadn't died.
>If Gordon Brown was leader instead of Tony Blair (okay this one would probably have changed very little, but it'd take us down an interesting historical path because brown was actually more fiscally conservative than Blair, i.e. "You've stolen my fucking budget Tony")
>SNP-Blairite coalition
Because that would work out just splendidly.
Any more news about Labour laddies?
aren't the SDLP Northern Irish?
Did they fuck shit up for the nationalists there, or do you mean the SDP?
>implying democracy
Yeah I meant the SDP, my mind just went on party name auto-pilot.
op image
>Middle class people who're too stuck up to vote Tory but also "very serious people" who won't vote for the Greens or (in the past) the SNP.
i think you've just described the worst demographic of human beings in this country
>basically just a middle class subsidy
It's utter kikery that we have tuition fees at all, though. Scotland has demonstrated it was a completely unnecessary move.
>Nationalised energy and rail
t-b-h that's not that unreasonable, given half our power plants are already run by a subsidiary of the French nationalized company, Scottish railways are run by a the Dutch nationalized company, etc.
I mean I wouldn't trust a Corbyn government to set it all up properly, but it doesn't have to be some crazy unviable 1970s throwback.
SNP had 56 seats in 2015
>Scotland has demonstrated it was a completely unnecessary move.
Aren't Scottish Unis all underfunded though?
Can someone do a TL;DR on the pic?
Is this bad or good for the people that want Brexit to happen?
Reminder that the UK will have a white majority in ~50 years and there is fucking nothing we can do about it
Free university only really helps the middle class. The poor largely won't be going to university, and the rich don't mind the cost. The SNP largely used it as a middle-class vote buyer.
The 2015 figures are based on the new boundaries
tories are committed to brexit so anything that hurts their opponents is good for brexit
the tories are the neo liberal party though
>left wing vote is split between the Greens, snp, Lib dems, corbyn labour and blairite labour
>The Tories are moving rightward under may
Now this might she be a good few years
The university dynamic has changed quite a lot. A lot of fucking useless bullshitters. I would support more scholarships for the best students.
Not against nationalising energy and rail either.
As for sharing Falklands, we already share fucking Northern Ireland
Man these are some interesting times.
Fucking blairites. I wish they just fuck off.
I reckon most of these leavers will be unkown. Maybe a bit of a prominant figure like kate hoey will defect.
It would be interesting seeing a big hitter like alan johnson leave.
>the destruction of labour to start my day tomorrow
>the destruction of hillary to end my day tomorrow
This is the greatest time to be alive
Nothing to do with Brexit really. It's basically the second biggest party in the country splitting into two because the cultist sellouts (Blairites) don't like the new guy (Corbyn). After loads of half-assed efforts to denounce him and oust him he's still there and they refuse to accept that.
>the UK will have a white majority in ~50 years
What did he mean by this?
You mean the middle class which were the foundation of British society and are in the process of being destroyed?
Yeah FUCK those guys.
>the tories are moving rightward
No they aren't and neither will they.
Why would they? It would only lose their votes. If all their opposition is moving further left of centre why would they also move from centre, when it's the middle centrist vote that wins elections?
The Conservatives don't need to court UKIP voters anymore, and there's no other voting bloc that matters.
Not really, though to be fair they get to skim off the top by charging English students fees.
They remain competitive either way (St. Andrews being 4rth or 5th for example.)
And why not help the middle class? As the SNP demonstrated, it's a relatively inconsequential policy. (About the best they can meme is that it means cutting college places and hurting the poor, but something like 95% of the places that are gone were for courses like "flower arranging for the elderly" that granted no qualification except a wordart certificate from the tutor.)
Ah.
Even with bullshit degrees, you've still got people heading to uni. There's no point getting them into debt that they're never going to pay off over it.
STOP
JUST STOP
40 million more Poles by 2066
I meant what I meant you FAT FUCK
Meat is Murder is their best album
Is 2016 the greatest year in British history since 1815?
Everyone goes to university these days, except the ones fortunate enough to have family businesses and trades, who I wouldn't describe as poor at all.
The Tories literally are courting ukip voters right now, why do Yanks have to butt in when they don't know what they're talking about its so annoying
David Cameron was a centre left blairite, Theresa may is centre right
>tfw it was our destiny to become the european ethnostate and secure a future for white children
The greatest year ever will be when we annex Ireland.
take us back daddy! : 3
someone post may being based
quick
>implying it's not The Queen Is Dead
Has Morrissey commented on Brexit?
Definitely
I strongly disagree.
Brish pol and Brit/pol are fucking cancer.
congratulations 'lads'
may is throwing up ukip policies left and right, she's definitely moving them right
I'm in the West Country you twat, Cred Forums gives me an American flag for literally no reason.
>centre right
>centre left
Literally just a different flavour of centrism. There is no substantial difference, as Hitchens would say: they are all Blairites.
Give me one fucking reason why at Conservative policy reviews and conferences they would be inclined to want to take the party further right. One. A single reason that it would benefit them will suffice.
lmao disgusting
Wait a second. Is the Hillary/Trump debate on the 26th of September or the 9th of February? American dates are so confusing
Good idea. You're a little cucked but nothing Queen Liz can't sort out.
9th Feb
Can't be arsed with the same constant drivel of pessimism because everytime it's addressed twats like you spew it out again, don't bother mentioning hitchens in this because even he's happy with her due to grammar schools
Stop embarrassing yourself and pipe down
>The Conservatives don't need to court UKIP voters anymore, and there's no other voting bloc that matters.
UKIP stopped courting the disillusioned eurosceptic Tory voters the party was founded for, years ago in favour of northern Labour voters, they started to go quite left wing in recent years.
>mfw ultra-capitalist Britain
>mfw dependency culture vanishes
>mfw massive shitlord Victorian neo-Singapore a few miles away from an increasingly socialist EU
9 Feb
Lads did you read that piece in the DM about how May refused to back Remain?
This Brexit ref. was a lot about play to become PM. Boris, Gove and Cameron failed. May won.
to finish off ukip while they are floundering looking for a purpose
No, she's making meaningless overtures to maintain party unity. Do people forget that the Conservatives BARELY managed to survive the same fate Labour are currently in? May needs to keep the backbenchers happy, it's what Cameron spent 6 years doing. It's meaningless.
Unless it's for votes, the party is not changing its politics. And there is literally no vote benefit to make any change now, either to the left or right.
The Consevatives are gleefully dominating the centre completely, and that's how they'll win the next foreseeable elections.
>Lads did you read that piece in the DM about how May refused to back Remain?
Shit.
She is the one.
She did back remain though
your pathetic pal, do you know that?
>implying Labour voters are going to abandon the newly-crowned Jezza in favour of mouthy cunts like Jess Phillips
This day of reckoning has been coming, lads. Be prepared to wave goodbye to some of your most loathed Labour fuckwits.
I'm wondering if the implosion of Labour is going to push Scotland further towards independence. Don't really want the Union to collapse desu yo
She didn't do any speeches. Read the peice. Cameron shouted at her on the phone to become more vocal and even hung up on her.
At least I can spell you fat faggit.
I'd argue that only the modernisers (which, to be fair, compose a large chunk of the PCP) are actually ideologically committed to Cameronism. A slim majority either openly opposed it or viewed it merely as a means to secure power.
Yeah just don't mention to him the fact that we are subsidising Scotland with the barnett formula.
The huge budget deficit compared to the rest of the UK.
Or the fact English students still pay in Scottish Universities......
I'm sure it is all "Utter Kikery".
If you want shit tier unis go for free, there is a reason US and UK are the best and top ranked and europeans and foreigners rush to fill our places
Fuck the union, I don't want to be united with the scots anymore. They used to be cool but now they're literally just ultra cucks.
ukips are starting to defect to tories because of those """""meaningless overtures"""""
The "centre" is a meme.
The reason the Conservatives are currently in the centre is because they are perceived to be and no more.
Similarly the reason New Labour were in the "centre" is because they got to define the centre, not because it was an extant thing. Had the two parties run on identical policies but with similar organization, the results would've turned out essentially the same.
>grammar schools
What exactly is the issue you have wih this?
And I notice you still haven't given me a reason why a shift to the right would benefit the Conservatives. Is it perhaps because there is literally not a single one?
This is also a huge factor, UKIP is growing to become an opposition-style party that attempts to reach the disaffected of both Lab and Con, it's just that they happen to be based on the right.
Conservatives trying to court them at this point makes no sense, they'd be better off cutting off UKIP entirely and picking up ex-Labour voters (as they are currently haemorrhaging support).
UKIP with 11.0% of the vote and 1 seat.. wtf?
want labour to split then all 5 left/center-left parties to form a coalition government
I know, Boris turns out to be a secret remainder and May is a secret Brexiter.
Best PM we've had in our lifetimes, however still too neoliberal for my liking, doesn't respect privacy, will probably go soft on immigration and China
Read this on how May was lukewarm on the EU. Its fsscinating.
YAAAAAS! QUEEN!!!!
BEADY
>reads paper
hey guis she didn't do any speeches!!!!!
cameron shouted at her!!!! XDDD
HE EVEN HUNG UP ON HER!!!! XDDDDD
fucking cucked beyond recognition
>Yeah just don't mention to him the fact that we are subsidising Scotland with the barnett formula.
Irrelevant. You were doing that when Labour introduced tuition fees in Scotland. The SNP were given a fixed block grant (which has since been cut frequently) and continue to fund free university tuition by making economies elsewhere: the UK government could easily do the same.
>The huge budget deficit compared to the rest of the UK.
Which is irrelevant to Holyrood (it comes from Scotland not having enough income: Until recently Holyrood was literally just cut a cheque and allowed to spend it however it wanted, all revenue went directly to London. Now they've got income tax and I believe limited borrowing powers, but it remains the same general situation - Holyrood isn't overspending to fund free tuition.)
>Or the fact English students still pay in Scottish Universities......
Maybe because otherwise, English students would flood Scottish universities to avoid tuition fees. Not a problem if the UK as a whole lacked fees.
They could get 3 from the SDLP, but I not sure who they side with.
You're a fat neckbeard faggit. Shut it.
His MPs hate him because he has managed to position himself in line with the majority of public opinion but still manages to lose votes and popularity but being incredibly fucking bland.
Nothing pleases me more that the COLLAPSE of UKIP.
If there's anything I hate in this world; it's casual racism, ignorance and bigotry. UKIP and Nigel Farage fit all those categories.
daily mail though lol
OUTRAGE as user POSTS link to shitty SO CALLED "news" "paper"
got a better source m8?
UKIP have a purpose, it's just losing its core support and political dedication because it's in a honeymoon period now and has had the wind taken away from it.
Exactly, and that's why May needs to keep the party together and happy instead of looking at the state of itself. Can't have those backbenchers wonder why the leadership doesn't listen. :^)
They are, but it's because of the zeal of UKIP voters and the referendum result more than anything else. If UKIP had a strong purpose or vocal support still they'd still be fine.
>And I notice you still haven't given me a reason why a shift to the right would benefit the Conservatives. Is it perhaps because there is literally not a single one?
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The SNP would go with Corbyn over Blairites, almost certainly.
Particularly as Scottish Labour are mostly Blairites and will almost certainly side with the Blairite coalition.
Its from an autobiography.
Do none of you faggits actually read it?
Started reading it it looks pretty interesting, how can we ever trust the source completely though?
Tbh it seems like she just wanted to position herself well whatever happened.
F
Eventually, the Conservatives will have to put UKIP down, but they'll do so by copying the popular bits of UKIP policy and presenting themselves as UKIP with governing experience.
>Is it perhaps because there is literally not a single one?
Moving to the right wouldn't necessarily cost them votes to their nearest rivals. No one who votes Conservative and considers themself of the centre, wherever that may be, is unlikely to switch their vote to Labour due to the Conservatives coming across as too right wing. It's not the mid 90s, floating voters are more likely to switch between UKIP and Labour or UKIP and Conservative than they are Conservative and Labour.
Conversely, if they did go to the right (by battering UKIP) they'd make large gains.
Would never, ever happen under first past the post. They'd split each other's vote too much
Which is precisely why the PR meme is so dangerous
I know you feel important here in this circle jerk you call brit pol but lets face facts.
you and this country are weak
this thread is the worst on 4 chan (consistently)
karen is a cunt
you should gas yourself
don't even click daily mail links tbf m8
>tfw the Overton Window is shifting before your very eyes
He sounds pretty based. Always loved the Smiths but I thought morrissey would be a cuck because he doesn't eat meat and shit
behead those who insult karen
obviously not!
post something for the guardian next time huh?
That's entirely the point, the centre of ideology is a meaningless pseudo-libertarian compromise between the left and right, the only thing that matters is who the public (the majority of which are neither strongly left or right) trusts to run the country and keep them safe.
Blair won them over and then fucked them over. PLP and Conservatives are fighting over the same midde group of voters.
PR would've given us a UKIP-Con coalition
We need PR desu
It looks disproportionate at a glance, but the reason is that UKIP, Lib Dems and Greens all fielded candidates in just about every constituency and got comparatively mediocre results in the majority of them. Compare that to the SNP who stood in something like 59 seats and won by a majority in all but three.
The idea is that getting entering a content a thousand times and winning just once means less than just entering once and winning once.
>Muh defeatism
Not today Hitchens
>Karen is a cunt
Pls leave
But it's ultimately all about how you're perceived, and not what your policies are.
If we were electing stickmen, the sane guy strawmanned to "I AM SILLY" would lose while the guy calmly explaining why he's going to start a nuclear war with Trinidad would win the largest majority in history.
>tfw you consider yourself a radical right wing reactionary and get surprised by how many normal people go further than you in their views.
We /comfy/ hours now lads
how is it defeatist to come to a board once in a while and let its inhabitants know that they are pathetic and bring shame to England?
I know you faggots arent used to being interrupted but seriously. man the fuck up you office tier shitlords
>PR would've given us a UKIP-Con coalition
No it wouldn't, it would've given us a Lab/Lib/SNP/Green coalition
UKIP and the tories did not reach 50% vote share between them, meaning the LibDems would've had the deciding vote between a left coalition and right coalition and there's no fucking way they'd side with the tories after they shoah'd the fuck out of their student voter base
like I said may stealing its policies and moving right while it's weak and floundering could finish it
UKIP wont die.
They will just adopt labour policies but with anti inmigratiom.
Almost like national socialism. They know that the right wing vote hangs only because of it. Theres millions of potential ukip voters in labour
>I know you faggots arent used to being interrupted
We deal with plebs like you all the time, you're not as special as you think
why are pardners and leafs having conversations amongst themselves in here
Also, i think labour/left will make a serious push for PR. Labour+ other labour + ukip, green, liberals, snp would guarantee a win.
cry more faggot
don't these posts assume people would vote the same way under pr as they would under fptp?
oh so! its a regular occurrence...
how does it feel to be the laughing stock of /pol?
M8 bullshit asside about holyrood funding I don't care about, having a graduate tax, (which is what we have btw, the "loan" thing is a myth) helps our Unis get more money and attract better professors and grants.
I'm in Uni, I'll have to pay 9% of my income over £21,000 and gets wiped clean at 30-40 years I think if you can't pay it....
It is literally minor and totally worth it. There are also bursaries for poorer student.
I have to disagree I think are arrangement is fine, and as a poor student have no issues with the system. In fact record numbers are going to Uni so it is literally not a problem
>the Conservatives will have to put UKIP down
Why? They allowed us a referendum and the result of it was precisely what UKIP wanted. There is nothing else that needs doing, UKIP cannot substantially grow now if it remains UKIP.
You also grossly underestimate the voting groups that won Blair and Cameron the last few elections. The centre ground of voters absolutely have and will continue to switch between Lab and Con (or at least, non-Corbyn Lab). Look at how many votes Blair lost over his tenure. It's the centre that decides elections, and it's the centre that both parties have tried more than anything else to win from the other for two decades now.
See my other replies, I'm on my phone and the thread is moving too fast.
>we deal with
top fucking snek
AHAHAHAHA
>Despots using Tony Blair's consultancy started turning their backs on his services because of his tarnished reputation, his biographer claimed yesterday.
dailymail.co.uk
>UKIP and the tories did not reach 50% vote share between them
My numbers say otherwise, unless I added it wrong.
Con+UKIP = 15216049
Others = 15132193
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You forget the communist part, the pro ira, pro argentina on falklands, anti soldier, anti anything that is Britain.
He's fked when the constituency borders are redrawn in c.2018
Corbyn is a clear and present danger to national security, but, Labour will NEVER get power with hin or his ilk as leader.
>Labour+ other labour + ukip, green, liberals, snp would guarantee a win.
it doesn't work like that, conservatives have an outright majority. they would still need some conservative MPs or no dice.
>UKIP and the tories did not reach 50% vote share between them
Throw in the DUP and UUP too and you're over the line. (50%) whereas Lab+Lib+SNP+Green only gives you 46-7%
Also it's highly possible that you'd just have a Tory minority government (as Holyrood had with the SNP in 2007, where everyone hated them and could've locked them out but decided not to) relying on other parties for general support.
Yeah, but it's the only data we've got.
Of course they will, because they don't stand a chance otherwise
UKIP is fucking toxic to the left though. Like AfD, Swedish Democrats, etc. The other parties will unite to keep them out
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yeah your post hadn't showed up when I refreshed right before posting it
Forgot the replies. Fail.
No i mean if it were held in a referendum. If it were a referendum pr would win.
Whether we will hold one or not is another matter
Haters gonna hate
In fact there was one independent in NI that's not in those figures, so maybe that's where I'm going wrong.
Prove to me why I shouldn't vote for Corbyn
>anti-Semitic
>anti-establishment
>socialist
I'm a college student on holiday in America. I live in East London. Convince me lads.
Of course its how you're perceived, that's entirely why both parties continue to desperately cling to the idea they represent anything substantial to do with the left and right anymore.
Look at fucking Blair, essentially everything about him was nothing but perception. Dude Third Way lmao. He represented almost nothing ideoloically.
>laughing stock of /pol?
We aren't, but even if we were, everyone's gotta get their fun someplace.
and it's Cred Forums by the way. You're not on reddit anymore.
Have an explicit graduate tax then. Don't play games with fake loans and interest.
St. Andrews, a regional university with free tuition for domestic students, is in the top 10 in the UK. There's no reason that the UK government - with infinitely more flexible options for funding than Holyrood - can't do similar.
It's a problem because it was an unnecessary move made by a Labour government that was gladly throwing money around elsewhere.
It's 2016 and you're still using the f word? You're on the wrong side of history, you SCHMUCK
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Yeah, and pic actually happened. Leave dad alone!
yeah and you should aim to act accordingly but no.
just crack on lads. after all your English.
ok Brit/pol, I'm off.
see you tomorrow you fucking limp wristed stains on our glorious Island.
never before have I seen such consistent faggotory for so long.. how did it know it would be the Brits leading the way?
That's not real socialism though
>Labour will NEVER get power with hin or his ilk as leader.
This is true, but it'll never get power with any of their current lot as a leader either
Well, he did have a solid ideology, but it was for the Labour party and not for the country.
> attract better professors
We're slowly haemorrhaging competent staff because UK academics are the worst paid in the English speaking world (except for New Zealand I think). The only thing the extra money funded was an enormous expansion in university bureaucracy, creation of cross-cultural competence positions and such.
As for grant funding, that was cut, frozen or severely restricted by the Tories, which is why even STEM academia was mostly Remain - we've grown dependent on EU funding because UK funding was slashed in the name of austerity.
t. Warwick research fellow moving to Australia in a few months due to incomparably better conditions there
>We aren't,
yes. yes you are
There's literally no reason to do that, UKIP doesn't need 'finishing', it won.
Unless it evolves into an opposition-style party (which would involve UKIP moving towards the left), there is no threat from the party at all.
Why would May sacrifice the centre ground to get the support or voters who have already begun an exodus back into her party?
See you tomorrow lad
No they're not
Literally EVERY socialist says that when socialism fails.
not all socialism is centrally planned. Maybe jeremy is a market socialist :^)
(incidentally i kind of wish the co-operative party wasn't part of Labour, co-operatives are a cool idea since they allow worker ownership without any sort of radical change, but the co-operative party is literally just labour's bitch.
here's hoping the blairites don't co-opt it into the co-operate to kill iraqis party.)
I meme'd your pic up a bit more lad
Oh god is it a scotcuck
>which would involve UKIP moving towards the left
if james hadn't won this would have been guaranteed, but it's well known how difficult the nec made nigel's life so if james isn't able to handle them as well as nigel it could still very well happen
And with stamp
TOP FUCKING GERMAN RELATED KEK.
Implying its you!!!??? your a mess Germany but not in the way our boys can do it. sorry
>inb4 you're
3rd time lucky
He's shown you don't need the media or the Jews to come to power.
They're afraid. Deadly afraid.
A Farage/Corbyn and Trump/Bernie UK/US political leadership team would be literal heaven.
I thought you were leaving? Do you secretly enjoy our company?
Who did Cred Forums support during the Scots referendum?
What did most of the parties support in the referendum?
>Have an explicit graduate tax then. Don't play games with fake loans and interest.
It is a graduate tax, in all but name, terrible marketing and giving freebies to left leaning papers by calling it a loan - it functions exactly like a tax
>It's a problem because it was an unnecessary move made by a Labour government that was gladly throwing money around elsewhere.
Having a free system would cost the government less? How does that work, they'd be throwing more to subsidise free unis then the system now
As I said, more money for Universities..... Yes St andrews is in the top 10 in UK, is it the top 10 in the world?
Mathematically, in this system more money gets given to universities, only students who earn more than £21,000 pay. Only 9%, it is fine. Solidifies are position at the top. Also frees up more government money for other shit.
Its a win-win imo but can respect your opinion
50/50 Shreddies and Cinnamon Grahams, left to start going slightly soggy. Absolute fucking godtier supper m8s
Going for ex-Labour voters and working in Labour heartlands is the only way UKIP can now grow politically, unless Article 50 does not get enacted.
That's the only way UKIP could become a threat to anyone, and it will be against Labour and not the Conservatives. Which is convenient, because old school Labour is also mildly anti-immigration and can hold them off/is poised to easily secure votes from potential left-wing UKIP as Labour now have to focus on strengthening their bases of support because they're fucked.
I did during the Ref but you lot have really let us down since then.
leaving now... Im only angry because you are so pathetic - remember that
If London Turns into a Stephenson novel I'm fucking moving there ASAP.
Remain I'm guessing
I wish they'd left it would of been hilarious to see the state the country would be in right now. England would probably get flooded with Scottish refugees
>2.30am shitposters
My money's on /r9k/
kek, are they joiing ukip?
>Tony Blair still walks free
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Except the UK is a pioneer in anti free speech and anti privacy laws like Germany so how different can it be from the EU?
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such attention seeking faggots you can't even get your OPS right.
just saying...
Night boys
>Having a free system would cost the government less?
Well, you wouldn't have to administer a graduate tax that a good number of people are never going to pay.
It would cost more, but as the SNP have demonstrated one can make cuts elsewhere to compensate and remain competitive. (Edinburgh interestingly is 19th globally, above St. Andrews. While that may not sound too impressive one has to remember it's still a regional university.)
When you free government money for other shit, it often winds up in the local councillor's booze fund instead of something useful. While the merits of tuition fees as a whole can be debated, the way they were imposed at an unnecessary juncture by a Labour government (especially in Scotland, where the executive had billions of money unspent at the time) is a point of soreness even if it doesn't make any difference to me personally. New Labour has so much bad-policymaking that it isn't funny.
(Including using PFI to build schools when the aforementioned Scottish executive [labour run at the time] had plenty money to spare, instead paying ridiculous amounts to a PFI contract.)
I supported No, because the Scottish are our brothers and don't deserve to be ruled by islamic gommunists. We have too much shared history, culture, heritage and glory to split apart for Braveheart memes. The Act of Union was one of the greatest political acts our parliament has ever passed.
That said, if they voted Yes I wouldn't particularly care since the West Lothian question would be settled, and if it's what Scots truly want then who are we to say otherwise when they take such a disproportionate amount of political power and money?
Not flooded. There literally wouldnt be any scots left!! Scotland would be worse off than Northern Ireland. Oil falling + socialist policies. Would be in trillions of debt if they had executed their plan as they wanted.
Still, i wish they left.
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I'm only talking about the economic side of things. We have a lot of work to do with regards to what you're talking about
>I'm only talking shit because thats all I know