Are Women even happy?

Bump.
I've been thinking this for sometime now. I think it goes against a females nature to be alone in this great big isolating society we live in today.

Fuck this modern empty world. All this (((progress))) and what has it done for us. FUCK ALL.

We should be living in small communities surrounded by extended family and childhood friends.

I have two sisters. The answer for both is a big fucking no, they are not happy.

It'll be alright one day Aussie bro.

Just got to have hope for the future. Best we can do now is to find the evidence to further strengthen our arguments against (((Modernism)))

Well noted. Do you mind if I ask what makes them unhappy?

No, the progressive feminists pushed for them to live the life a man has. Become a wage slave and don't raise a family.

Normally a working man would come home to a loving wife, a clean house, a warm meal, and loving kids. It didn't make up for the wage slaving but it constantly reminded the man as to why he did it. To raise his children.

Women were fed the lie that men were happy because we worked. We weren't, we were happy because of what we were working for.

So now women are slaving away because they were fed the lie that working makes them happy.

That's some solid logic there.

Has there been any studies on women's work satisfaction?

>Women were fed the lie that men were happy because we worked. We weren't, we were happy because of what we were working for.
I didn't expect those feels in this thread bro.

Thanks for kind words burger.
Yes the fire rises.

After all.
The clowns always get the last laugh! kekekek.

Bro, i'm in this with you. We must attack modernism in full force. Look at what we did with the 2016 presidential race. We can meme this into existence if we have to.

just look at how they're outraged about everything. how fat they're getting and how they blame everyone else for what's happening. do those sounds like happy, fulfilled human beings?

Hilariously enough they call it a paradox, as if it doesn't make sense.

frbsf.org/economic-research/files/wp09-11bk.pdf

no

I can say I am not happy, but I am just lonely and pathetic is all. I can't talk to people properly and cry at the lightest friction. Easily intimidated, and feel like I would be better off dead most days.

You're a pretty cool guy, Australia.

Women get miserable as fuck once they get to the age where they -should- have adult children with healthy lives that they have great relationships with...

but they don't, because either they didn't have children, or they had them, but they fucked them up with public schools and glowing screens while being narcissistic and focused on themselves. So if they do have kids, their kids hate them or have no contact with them.

It's sad. We, as men, are responsible for this because we lost control of them. Women are like children, they can only be happy in the context of paternal authority.

every women i know is unhappy, depressed, stressed, or in a constant state of worry.
one of them has recently been diagnosed as a narcissist.

No. That's why the end-game of every woman is to make the life of everyone else as miserable as theirs.

KEK VULT

Bump, interested

>spending the first 20 years of adulthood on pills to keep from getting pregnant and being dependent on men
>spending the next 50 years on antidepressants to get over the fact you don't have any children or a husband
Just fuck my water supply up senpai

KEK. That's women/cuck logic for you.

You are onto something here tyrone. How nice would it be to have lived your whole life in some idyllic homogeneous village and come home after work to your loving qt wife and kids.

Too bad it will never happen to us.

That's some good stuff right there.

It's a bit hefty reading, but I appreciate it.

Sorry to hear that. How old are you? I imagine no children, no marriage right? What about education?

That's unfortunate to hear fellow burger. Do you know of any studies we can use?

Well noted.

forgot to mention that all these women are the feminist, independent, need-no-man-but-has-a-bf-anyway, majored in stupid shit cunts.
its interesting that women who comply to traditional gender roles are much happier overall.

I don't think the majority of men and women have ever been happy. happiness seems like a sort of meme that a minority of people experience for limited periods of time due to some combination of positive factors.

Women are probably happier in the sense that they have more freedom to do what they want now, and are probably less abused and stuff. I'm sure they're also unhappier due to the breakdown of traditional marriage/community structures, and I think that having to support themselves by working probably makes them less happy as well, it's not like vague feelings of 'emancipation' really override the reality of the shittiness that most jobs are.

I don't think think there is really an answer, I think things just don't work out most of the time.

Join a dojo and begin practicing some form of martial art.

Buddy had the same issue, he became a Brazilian ju jitsu fighter and gradually became more secure and confident.

Read works by the stoics as well.

Forgot picture.

that was all anecdotal but i did find this
dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-1189894/Women-happy-years-ago-.html

It still happens in the world. Japan and China have embraced old western culture. The man is respected for working hard all day and its expected he should come home to a clean home and a warm meal.

Unlike the west where the jews make working husbands jokes on sitcoms. The bumbling idiot of the house hold who doesn't work as hard as the wife at home all day.

women can never be truly happy even if they get exactly what they want.
Read "Madame Bovary" this idea has been around for centuries.

Fair point user.

I do agree that life in general presents a lot of difficulty and hardships to the average person. But I also find that looking for hard evidence is beneficial either way. Doesn't hurt to know if society as a whole is less happy or not.

I am almost always happy, friend.

I used to be a sad mess, then I came across stoicism and other hobbies that fulfill me.

Also had the fortune of enjoying a healthy relationship and I am happy knowing that one day I'll find another.

>I used to be a sad mess, then I came across stoicism

topkek

I am just 23. Just high school education, tried college but stopped after a few months realizing I wouldn't be able to pay for it if I continued. Never have had a relationship. Never thought I needed one. I think my lack of happiness is probably just depression. Like most though I will hopefully just grow out of it with a year or two.

I am guessing the lack of happiness of those in there 40's are just having a mid life crisis.

Not bad. Makes light mention of it, cites the Paradox previously mentioned in thread.

More normie tier articles talking about it, the more digestible this info becomes, instead of becoming a hard swallow.

>Are Modern women any more happier for all the feminism, globalism, and suffrage they've been given in the last century?

No, they are actually less happy. Google it. It's been studied.

Do japs let Gaijins settle in their rural villages?

They might feel jealous because of my BWC

If you speak their language and respect their culture they will accept you.

China on the other hand, they will fucking worship you.

>Abandoning God
>Expecting to be happy
You're a funny one, user.

>a gender gap in happiness

Is this this why feminists and sjw are trying to ruin vidya, movies, sports and everything that makes men happy?

It worked for me, sad-viking.

I agree, I'm just wary of people who romanticize particular periods, or ideologies, or whatever.
That is good then user, and I commend you for being optimistic, I try to be as well. Sometimes it is hard for me to decided if a given person is being optimistic or laboring under delusions, myself included, because I know that both cases exist. Delusion is incredibly widespread among people, which I don't blame them for, I don't think humans are truth-seeking machines, there is no reason we should be.

I'm speaking in a kind of very broad sense when I say that failure is an inherent property of reality, you don't see anything approximating perfection anywhere in nature or history, it is always riddled with problems. Which is not to say existence is worthless or anything like that, it is more like the Christian notion of original sin, it is just something that comes with the package.

I see. Well hopefully you find happiness.

Working on it.

It might actually be. I thought it was just liberal progressive cancer spreading but it might be intentional.

I hope the same to you.

>It worked for me, sad-viking.

If it worked for you, it was probably in the air anyway. If you think people who are legitimately depressed can just read some pages of Epictetus or Marcus Aurelius, and suddenly they've fixed themselves, you're retarded.

Bumping with relevant info.

>Study indicating Christian Marriages are less prone to divorces.

Excuse the ugly URL lads, it's from a CC database.

go.galegroup.com.libdbmjc.yosemite.edu/ps/i.do?p=GPS&sw=w&u=modestojc_main&v=2.1&it=r&id=GALE|A152576024&asid=7e641a6285b7a591ee567b03907659b5#.V-h9W4CRLFw.link

You're not very bright, are you? Where did I say it was a magic bullet? I merely suggested it as one thing that helped me. Stoicism alone wasn't the only thing that has brought hapoiness into my life either; in fact, it functions more as a mechanism to be projective and achieve my aims than a source of happiness on its own.

Productive*

they get to enjoy their extreme hedonism for the first 30 years of their life and then it all comes crashing down as they realize that they're responsible for their actions. Essentially, they are more blissfully ignorant but less fulfilled in the long run.

tl;dr You can't run from your sins

>it functions more as a mechanism to be productive

But it doesn't you moron.

Makes sense to me.

Putnam showed that up to 2000, at least, people's average happiness stayed more or less constant. However, that was brought about by a sharp decrease in unhappiness among older people and a sharp increase in unhappiness among the newer generations.

No.

For me it does, because it equips me mentally to ignore pain and anxiety.

Geeze, you don't even understand the practical implications of this philosophy and yet you're lecturing me on it.

Of course women are getting unhappier! When gender roles were more rigid, women had it far better. Men work for money, and women spend it. Which would you rather be?

Reminds me of this - from 1938.

>pic
DELETE THIS YOU KANKER PEDO

The practical implications of philosophy are a meme. Anyone who tells me they lost 200 pounds by reading a self-help book is lying their ass off, and the same applies to reading philosophy.

But keep imagining that it's anyone or anything other than yourself that made changes.

>are women any more happier since suffrage/feminism

Absolutely not. Many women don't realize this is why life is so miserable for them, but thankfully I've been able to come to terms with the fact that:
The more freedom women have = the more miserable they are

I fucking detest feminism and egalitarianism because by pushing the idea that men and women are absolutely equal, feminists have actually destroyed the value women have in the first place, which is child rearing and homemaking.

Feminism promotes the notion that women can do men's work just as well or better than men, which is foolish. Women are fundamentally built to be homemakers, and feminism forces these homemakers men's shoes that will never fit them.
Women fall short in areas where men naturally excel, and it makes them feel inadequate, and without purpose. The western woman will try to fill this emptiness with drugs, alcohol and
petty sex, never realizing her true potential as a strong mother.

Western women have been conditioned to detest the idea of a traditional housewife, but in reality, a good housewife/mother is the KEY foundation of every great/functioning country. The ideal woman is RAISING the future of society and taking care of the husband that is already working hard to contribute to that society.

The family is truly a perfect machine that keeps the bigger machine (society) running, and the Jews are trying everything in their power to break it up.

It's like peanut butter and jelly. They're different, but they're both good in their own way. Why would you destroy jelly and force it to become peanut butter? We already have peanut butter, and we'll be losing everything unique and yummy about jelly in the process.

I sincerely hope the traditional femininity becomes the new, hip counter-culture soon. The white race depends on it.

that made you make changes*

>The practical implications of philosophy are a meme. Anyone who tells me they lost 200 pounds by reading a self-help book is lying their ass off, and the same applies to reading philosophy.

Methods of thought have no effect on processing emotions? Honestly next you're going to tell me National socialism had no effect on Germany.

>But keep imagining that it's anyone or anything other than yourself that made changes.

Yeah, I changes my outlook on life from empty hedonism to stoicism.

Made me chuckle.

Trips of Truth.

"No"

I agree fully my fellow burger. Which is why I'm trying to collect some good research on this matter. Besides common sense, do you have anything that can help?

You would expect, since divorce is actually not allowed in Christianity

Women are only happy when they're unhappy.

Seconding, bro. You will learn to appreciate your abilities and take confidence from it.
>But I'm no good
Every master was once no good.

Seriously, this will do wonders for your health and confidence. Keep at it.

Ok, I'll bite: why are the Jews trying to destroy the nuclear family?

>Methods of thought have no effect on processing emotions?

That's not what I said is it?

What I said was that the fact that you read some stoicism is literally irrelevant to the fact that you suddenly snapped out of your "hurr durr I feel so sorry for myself, hurr durr I'm so depressed"- period.

Because the reality is that you're were just a weak cunt to begin with, and would've snapped out of it sooner or later, regardless of the fucking stoicism. Do you know why? Because everyone has to work to live, everyone has problems, and nobody gives a shit.

Almost every other girl my age is taking them. I'm 21 and I'd say at least 50 of my females friends are on tons of anti depressants and benzos, and opposed to literally 1 male friend that I know is on them
My mom was taking an antidepressant her doctor prescribed and literally thought it was heart medicine because all her practitioner said is "this will mellow you out, everyone takes them"
Female doctors are the cause of all this

Your entire point is literally irrelevant.

The fact that others have problems and have to work through issues has no bearing on me or how I deal with my issues. Stoicism has helped me greatly with handling my problems by providing me with a philosophical method of preventing me from internalising negativity and bringing me to realise that my past, as well as the present and moat future circumstances, are outside of my control; thus all that matters for my own health is how I process events and my subsequent reactions to those events.

Also, do you or so you not deny that methods of thought have an effect on how one processes emotions?

Do*

Auto-correct is a pain

>Anyone who tells me they lost 200 pounds by reading a self-help book is lying their ass off
what if that self-help book taught them new ways of losing weight?

>Stoicism has helped me greatly with handling my problems by providing me with a philosophical method of preventing me from internalising negativity and bringing me to realise that my past, as well as the present and moat future circumstances, are outside of my control; thus all that matters for my own health is how I process events and my subsequent reactions to those events.

You don't seem to understand that the ability to avoid internalising negativity, and the ability to realize that past, present and future circumstances are out of your control, has something to do with you as a person, not because you read a book that says so.

It's way more likely that you read it and realize that this is how you are as a person to begin with, than the book actually changing your entire personality.

But keep deluding yourself. It's pretty clear that you didn't read the books hard enough, because you have very low self-insight.

>Are Women even happy?
I am told this is the first question one is taught at "Homosexual Training". It's the morning course before the afternoon course on "Butt Plugs".

I'll ask you again, because instead of addressing my point you seem set on disingenuously shifting the debate back to prior issues.

Do you or do you not deny that a change in thought can change how one processes emotions?

The common wisdom slung around is that (((they))) are launching a multi pronged assault on the western world via feminism, outsourcing, mass media and forced multiculturalism in order to

1)Neutralize the social and political power of males which will
2)Destroy stable families and increase reliance on the state,
3)destroying the sense of community by concern shilling and provoking more crime and
4)homogenize the world so that people lose their sense of culture and nationhood

Which will create an underclass of people that are reliant on the state because they are politically powerless, isolated from each other and unhappy, concerned with toiling away and surviving day to day. Basically treating us goyim like cash cows.

>Single women are overwhelmingly democrat or left-leaning
>though when women get married, their political leanings dramatically shift to the right (influence from a husband)
>Single mothers balance work with raising children, can't give 100% energy to raising children
>Children spend their entire childhood in daycare and before school/ after school babysitting programs
>Common Core will make government schools become the "second parent."
>Common Core instills liberal/SJW values into these impressionable, fatherless, practically orphaned children
>thus creating a legion of good goy worker bees

I answered that here. You're the one who is avoiding.

Because they're Jews.
Jewish women are practically men.

I thought that said "ever" as I scrolled passed. Answer to both is "no".

You neither denied nor verified your acceptance of that point.

So clarify.

This might sound racist, but i think it's because the Jews are miserable and ugly people. They worship money and success. When they see traditional Western values such as the family unit, they are repelled from jealousy. They are offended, or have been offended in the past, that people shouldn't be more like them-miserable ugly people. These recent Jews you see such as Scarlett Johanseen are merely beautiful because they mixed with whites. If you look at the list of feminist Jews for example, and see how absolutely hideous and repulsive they are even though they wield so much influence, you can't help but pity them. They want us to hate ourselves just as much as they do. Just a mad theory. What do you think?

Addendum:
>“Give me just one generation of youth, and I'll transform the whole world.”
-Vladimir Lenin

Thanks. I have been considering BJJ lately, i think I will take the plunge.

They admit to being less happy

Women ruin every civilization that enfranchises them like spergs

>this might sound racist
Where do you think you are

Like I said, I think it's more likely that when you read something like Stoicism that you figure out something that is true about yourself to begin with, than the book actually doing anything substantive to change your personality.

That face triggers me.

Kek,

Phenomenal macro by the way.

Saved.
>tfw you have been at pol for long enough to have to subdivide your Cred Forums folder into categories

you'll probably find that they'll say that until they are no longer oppressed that they wont be happy.

this will never happen since the oppression is imaginary and new imaginary enemies can be spawned.

>Like I said, I think it's more likely that when you read something like Stoicism that you figure out something that is true about yourself to begin with, than the book actually doing anything substantive to change your personality.

So you admit it had an effect on me, ergo I was right about it changing my perspective and enriching my life and thought process.

Also, you not clarifying your position on my point makes it look like you're doing damage control because you know that acceptance of that point undermines your argument. However you just undermined yourself in this point so I needn't get you to accept my point.

I know that feel...

So it's a cycle that never ends?

It had an effect on you, but the effect isn't what you think it is. You think you actually learned something new, but you probably just recognized something that you already knew to be true about yourself in print.

I mean, I don't get how this is so hard for you to accept, because this happens to me all the time when I'm reading literature that has to do with emotions and character in general.

People aren't as different as you think.

My wife is. That said, she doesn't believe women should vote or serve in the military/police/fire dept, and chooses not to work, instead taking care of cousins, keeping house (including paying bills), cooking, exercising the dogs, and playing piano.

Hardly the feminist roll model. But she loves her life, and wouldn't have it any other way. When we have kids (first one is coming 9 months after Trump wins the election), she wants to home school them, as well.

Living the life mate.

I can't deny how envious I am of you.

>Are Modern women any more happier for all the feminism, globalism, and suffrage they've been given in the last century?

No, they aren't. Our women are all on happy pills, stressed as fuck into depression and regularly visit psychotherapists.

Like half of them.

But the left has somehow convinced them that the problem is whatever tiny bit of conservatism left in society and that the solution is only even more feminism.

Previous anons have showed some sources on the antidepressants and depression. Do you by chance know any info concerning women and therapists?

Appreciate the bump user.

when I see women at their happiest they are either with their families or talking about their families, especially babies

I'd say I and the women surrounding me are pretty happy. It seems like I live in a fantasy bubble or something as this is not what Cred Forums reports at all. I know no one on antidepressants, couples I know (and mine) clean and cook together as a bonding activity after school/work. A lot of my friends don't want kids though. My mom was able to be free from my dad who cheated and pursue her hobbies (not men). I think unhappiness is the result of a low socio-economic status more than anything.

It's pretty great, not going to lie. I work 8 hours, and get to do literally whatever I want to do when I get home.

She even enjoys shit that most mentally-balanced women don't, like watching video games (so long as there is a plot worth watching) and some anime (I'm pretty picky, though, so its all mostly political in nature, like Code Geass or Aldnoah Zero).

> (You)
>It had an effect on you, but the effect isn't what you think it is. You think you actually learned something new, but you probably just recognized something that you already knew to be true about yourself in print.

Ok. This is a little different than your original point. You originally claimed that it had no "real" effect on me and that "practical implications of philosophy are a meme." In other words, you've shifted your position. Yet another sign of damage control.

>you probably just recognised something that you already knew to be true about yourself in print.

I didn't know it to be true about myself. Stoicism presented a radically different outlook on life for me. You can continue to deny this but to prove your denial of this point you would have to be a mind reader.

>I mean, I don't get how this is so hard for you to accept, because this happens to me all the time when I'm reading literature that has to do with emotions and character in general.

Good for you, buddy. You're literally irrelevant to my experience.

>People aren't as different as you think.

Never said that.

I appreciate your fresh perspective user.

I do agree that lower economic class people will of course face more difficulties, thus the possibility of less happiness. But I also believe that in identifying certain behaviors as either lowering happiness is important.

Hence me asking for sources.

Quite curious mate, (not trying to derail) but what line of work are you in? Care to share?

I know soooo many women in offices who don't want to be there. They'd rather be at home with the kids but society told them they should have it all without ever clarifying what that really meant.

I know one lady in particular. Breadwinner, makes more than her husband so he stays home with the kid. He didn't want it but went along. She wants another baby but it's not going to happen. Divorce seems way more likely so she can find someone who makes more than her so she can be the one to stay at home and, you know, be a woman and a mother and a wife.

I think its family more than anything, I've got family poorer than me, and family richer than me, they all have families, and they seem pretty happy.

The only person I know who is lacking a general sense of happiness is me, don't know if its cause I've got >tfw no gf or lack purpose. Probably a combination of both.

Most women? Probably not

This. It all boils down to biology really.

But of course modern feminism seeks to counteract biology. So basically fuck feminism.

yep, it will keep on going until the end of time. the weak minded will fall for it (e.g. consumerism, blaming X for their misery etc..) and become useful idiots, the strong minded will deny it and be productive. eventually, the strong end up in a higher class and make up the top % of humans, having to potentially deal with all the shit thrown at them by the weak. e.g. "muh inequality"

ultimately, the feminists, the mgtows, sjws, they are all victims of this charade. no sympathy though, they should all die out - it culls the herd of betas and garbage.

>Quite curious mate, (not trying to derail) but what line of work are you in? Care to share?

Power plant operator in a small town. Work is 2.2 miles away from where I live (or about halfway across town).

most women i got to know were just fine.

This

That's good to know user. What are they like if I may ask? Married? Educated? "Party-goers"?

Nice to hear a fellow burger doing good. Have a good one mate.

Interesting user. Does this mean that over time, the problems we face in today's society will eventually fall to the wayside? Will the overally pop. keep to their ways, or will the "Alphas" lead the way forward, once more?

Communistic ideas applied to happyness.

I'm not happy so take away everyone else's happiness until we're all equally miserable.

Same thing in schools, the new Common Core initiative.

Shitskins are stupid and always will be so we need to create a curriculum in which everyone is equally as lost and stupid.

Happiness is a choice.
Finding something to be thankful for is the first step.
Start your journey.

Looks comfy as fuck.

I'm pretty happy all the time. The state of the world is really fucking REEE inducing, but despite that my day to day life is pretty good, and I have not much to complain about. You can separate personal happiness and politics even if you're invested in it.

What's your secret user?

What makes you so happy?

>are women happy?

who cares lol, I'm just happy I don't have to deal with them.

I have some good friends, a decent family if liberal as fuck, a course at uni I really enjoy, reasonable amounts of money to get by, reasonably successful at the things I enjoy.

Also, I constantly listen to music, I love it. It keeps me very calm, I think.

There's nothing really to be angry or sad about aside from the unchanging facts of reality, you just have to accept it for what it is, if you get my meaning. I hate the world's state, and wish we the race war would happen, but we have to sit back and let events take their course, rather than mope about them.

The reason why I wanted to get educated and get a decent career for myself is that I want the freedom which financial self-sufficiency gives me. If I was married to a man who was the breadwinner, I'd have know retirement savings and if the man was to die/leave me, I'd be left with pretty much nothing. Also, them man would have the upper hand in the relationship cause he held the financial power.

I believe that supporting myself has a positive impact on my relationships because I can chose my partner cause of "real" reasons instead of his financial assets which would be crucial if the only way to make it in this life was to marry a wealthy man. Now I don't need to stress about that, and as an adult I am in full charge of myself and not in a position to please someone because of his money. I can date a man who's my equal and we are not trying to benefit from each others.

problems that can't be solved will remain attack tools over multiple eras. new problems will arise that overshadow or amplify old problems. e.g. should a robot and cyborg couple be able to adopt a human baby (these are issues that we may deal with depending on how quickly technology advances).

alphas are always leading the way and ignoring such debates, even at the moment. they are ensuring their own survival by building wealth and resources, even moving to countries where they know other smart money is going. e.g. Singapore. They will see their countries of origin crumble under the weight of its useful idiots, and when ready will come in and buy things out for a low price, adding to their wealth and control.

Once in a while you get an alpha that wants to help their home country due to an emotional connection (i think Trump is one of these people), but if it all fails they will accept that their people was just too far gone and its time to move forward and join the others who have already abandoned it.

I'm having similar problems to the guy you replied to, but I'm medically fragile so I can't do martial arts. Feels bad man.

At the end of the day this is all very simple: Women are less happy because the men in their lives are less happy.

Yes, the collapse of the old nuclear family model and the community surrounding it represents a huge short fall on the happiness index for women, but in reality it has affected the happiness of men far more. Our suicide rates have gone up dramatically in recent years and when you really get down to it the average succubi gets her pleasure from being around motivated and generally interesting people [even the average chad tends to have something interesting to do that they can leach off of]. If the average roastie lacks a mate to leach off of emotionally, financially, and as a form of entertainment it only serves that they would be less happy generally.

When the men in a great society catch a cold, civilization sneezes.

Some good wisdom has been shared on this thread. Really appreciate it lads.

Is there any other information or links people want to share? I'm calling it quits now, so everyone have a good night.