Wait, why are you against universal healthcare again?
Oh, that's right, "niggers"
Very intelligent of you. Why don't you think with an open mind for once. Even Mr. Trump was in favor of universal healthcare until the billionaires got him. Maybe he will change his position again once he doesn't need the billionaires anymore after the election.
We can only hope.
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Obviously you don't know anything if you don't understand that forcing people to have fucking healthcare is wrong because it is expensive, an ineffective.
OP is a middle class faggot who never had to work a day in his life.
Because there exists a Healthcare bubble that is waiting to burst, and piling on taxes to cover costs would be like investing your life savings in real estate in 2007
Only now we're playing with people's lives
ill be in favor of uni healthcare when all obese people start exercising 5x week
deal?
If they can do it without raising taxes fine but they won't so how about no.
Maybe once more people have jobs?
But EVERYBODY might need healthcare. And they get it anyway, they just go bankrupt and everyone else still has to pay.
Na, not this.
bro it's 2016, we call them googles now.
You don't have to force people to have anything. You just provide health services if and when they need them. It's that simple. This is how it works in England.
The way to end the bubble is to nationalize the hospitals, fire the MBAs running them, illegalize the insurance companies, put doctors in charge of hospitals, and give health services to anyone and everyone who needs them free of charge.
googles ruined muh NHS
>universal health care
I don't workt 9-5 every fucking weekday so some lazy fucking asshole can leech off my hard earned money.
Fuck off commie scum.
>Even Mr. Trump was in favor of universal healthcare
>Implying Trump knows better than Cred Forums
>using beautiful woman as pic
>expecting people to take your thread seriously.
>free of charge
read an economics book
He was in favor of it because he has common sense and is not clouded by ideology like Cruz, Paul Ryan.
I think if he came out in favor of it again he would win 45 states easily and definitely two terms. PLEASE GOD I HOPE HE COMES OUT IN FAVOR OF IT DURING THE DEBATES. Even if he just drops a hint, i would understand.
Don't kid yourself. Simply by living within a society, you are already leeching off of things we have collectively paid for via taxes. You, and everyone else.
Down if he kills people who produce nothing
remind me when the gov did anything cost effective?
All i'm hearing is GIBS ME DAT
It has nothing to do with ''niggers''. What it has to do with is the insane greed and corruption of the medical industrial complex- pharma, device manufacturers, doctors, dentists, hospital/ clinic conglomerates/ corps. . . insurance companies, ''advocates'', and attorneys. Not to mention the government officials whose palms must be crossed with mucho dinero to deliver the goods (if you know what I mean- and I think you do)
like 0bamacare, ''universal health care'' delivers the citizens as captives to these voracious, incompetent, and soulless charlatans. If you think they've been bleeding us dry as individuls, have you not seen a preview of what they'll do to us as an utterly captive victim?
If you want to trust them, go ahead. BTDT a few times and Never Again! I'm lucky to have survived and I have learned my lesson.
Don't drag those of us who want no part of their ''treatments'', malpractice, and abuse into it.
Trump hasn't changed his position on "people cannot be dying in the streets". Although I think he's somewhat naive, he also intends to insure that ALL Americans are ABLE to pay for it (and if they can't, they'll have help).
I'm not against it.
>I don't know anything about countries other than the US
Social Security, the federal pension program, is much more solvent than state pensions, which are managed by Hedge funds
Diversify your OP image portfolio, user
>free healthcare
>fat acceptance movement
YOU MUST CHOOSE
>he thinks social security works
tax money directed to social security gets paid out immediately to people using it, it isn't saved or invested
if you want social security when you're 70 you better hope there's enough people to pay it
Don't make poor whites suffer just because some blacks will benefit too
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State monopolized "healthcare" is sociopathic and cruel.
America needs a free market in healthcare to get prices down and quality up.
The bubble exists because the consumer has no say in their treatment. One x-ray or 10, it's not your call. Doctors and facilities make money off of it because an insurance company will pay it. You really don't want the people to pay that.
As for your suggestion, tell doctors they will make much less cause they're government employees
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>Implying I give a shit about poor white people
Taking welfare is degenerate, they're basically niggers anyways.
>free market
>quality up
Choose one. You need only look at Microsoft to see that the free market is a failure.
Doesn't mean taxes should be raised for leeches.
EVERYONE IN THIS THREAD READ THIS SHIT:
>State monopolized
we're not going to make private doctors illegal you fat bozo we're just going to make the basics of healthcare available in government hospitals for everyone that needs it.
Louisiana had a system like this for 60 years before stupid Bobby Jindal and his republican friends privatized these hospitals. The poor white folks and the cajuns are hurting because of this.
Then why is it that Canadians don't repeal single payer?
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Don't get your hopes up m8
>Greed
Kill yourself. It's the red tape and development costs. There are doctors and clinics that run cash-only (few and far between) and without all that overhead and red tape, they are able to charge about what you'd be paying in deductibles on most plans. That's the cost of regulatory overhead. That is nearly mandatory as it is in the modern day (and is 100% mandatory by law for hospitals), but is entirely due to government involvement.
Government takeover means more of these costs. Ultimately, I am more comfortable with the market creating incentives for drug development than I am an unaccountable bureaucrat mandated by fiat what is prioritized for political reasons.
That's not even getting into the issue of the world's socialized medicine systems leeching off the US for pharma development because governments systematically slash pharma patent protections once they adopt those systems because drug costs are then a political budgetary question, forcing companies to increasingly recoup costs from the shrinking number of first-world market-based systems.
Our system is creaking not because of markets but because of government and the externalities imposed by other countries' delusional economic double-think on medicine.
How retarded are you?
We have nothing close to a free market.
What does Microsoft and their patent trolling and corporatism have to do with the free market?
Countries with the freest markets are the most successful.
When my country implemented state run healthcare we lost like 80% of our healthcare research companies.
Our healthcare system is a joke and people go to the states to get treated.
I want you technology hating luddites to die.
Lol none of this shit is in Rules for Radicals. None of it.
>implying that's a bad reason to be against it
I don't want to go to work and bust my ass to make money that's just going to be taxed to feed ghetto trash while they lay around all day, reproduce rampantly, never learn to read, commit violent crimes that may one day target me and rape women in my peer group.
You want me to be sorry that that's how I feel? Is that what you want? For me to blush and say that I'm sooooo sowwy that I don't want to be forced to work to fund my own demise at the hands of a race of worthless goblins?
Because we're brainwashed and retarded?
Why do you think we elected trudeau?
Another reason is people here think that we'd end up with American healthcare if we went free market
Which isn't true because America has nothing close to a free market in healthcare
>And people go to the states to get treated.
Rich Canadians do. But that's only so that they don't have to wait a whole week. Every single Canadian I have met in person, whom I would assume are middle class, seem happy with Canadian single payer and have more money because they're not spending $500 per month for private health insurance.
Our heathcare system is nothing but a fucking scam. Fucking for-profit insurance companies making a fucking profit out of sick people. It pisses me off.
Check out Molyneux's bits about his cancer. He went stateside and paid cash so he wasn't put in a year-long queue while his cancer metastasized and was able to get it all taken care of in weeks once he knew he had the problem.
Incidentally, check the actual profit margins for health insurance. It's a low-margin business.
European style Socialism/Welfare state requires an ever increasing tax base, which is why Europe's population decline is such a monumental problem. So the politicians want to bring in millions of immigrants to pick up the slack. But what happens when the nation reaches its carrying capacity?
Any system that needs indefinite growth to work is obviously broken.
Okay, look, here's the thing:
Our taxpayer dollars (even before Obamacare) went to subsidizing healthcare in our country, either via medicare/aid or tax writeoffs for hospitals / healthcare providers. They (providers) sourced roughly half their income this way. On top of that, legit folks would have to pay an insurance company on top of that to pay the healthcare costs they might incur, which means that someone who is a positive contributor to our society is forced to pay twice to two separate entities to pay the medical bills. This just seems inefficient. I wouldn't have a problem with JUST paying insurance companies or JUST having the average cost of healthcare on my tax bill (like what is done with our infrastructure and military), but we're double dipping here.
Obamacare is absolute fucking bullshit. It codifies in to law that you must, literally at gunpoint, patronize these private businesses (pay money to healthcare insurance providers) for your entire life or face a fine, the penalty of which not paying that fine is jailtime (enforced by violence, etc). This is absolute bullshit, forcing the citizens to patronize a business or be fined/jailed/killed.
We want the best doctors, and that's done by letting them set the prices, typically. We also have really REALLY shitty experiences with government managed healthcare (see the VA) in this country. By objective measures, Australia's healthcare works better than ours, but they have a significant majority white population (important when considering cultural approaches to healthcare and paying for it) as well as a lower population than ours.
Personally, I would rather only pay once. I don't want to be forced to give a business my money. And on top of that, simultaneously, we will have my tax dollars subsidize what this business that I am forced to pay for misses. Make it one way or another. Allow our doctors to be the best they can be and earn their pay.
blacks are 14% of the population you dinghat they're not going to take over anything
>Every single Canadian I have met in person, whom I would assume are middle class, seem happy with Canadian single payer and have more money because they're not spending $500 per month for private health insurance.
Exactly
They're idiots like you that think if we went free market we'd end up like America's expensive corporatist system which isn't true at all.
And no you're a retard plenty of people here hate our system and many middle class people go to the states to get treated.
My uncle and neighbor did, if they didn't they would have had to wait 6 fucking months and would have died of cancer.
Seriously fuck you.
>have more money
>pay more in taxes for a plan designed by politicians for political goals rather than private insurance that you can choose
I enjoyed not paying for ovarian cancer insurance because it's a 0% risk for a man (before King Nigger and his pet self-hating progressives mandated that with Negrocare).
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They're increasing fast, and they have nothing to lose and are used to violence, and to top that all off, the dominant social narrative commands that it is morally reprehensible to criticize them or oppose anything they say, no matter how overtly violent it is.
You say they're not a threat TODAY. In 20 years, they will be. What are you going to do in that time? Just wait and watch?
Reminder that we Canadians will pay much MORE in taxes over our lifetimes in healthcare than the vast majority of Americans EVER will.
>They're increasing fast
No, they're not. Blacks were 18% of the population during the civil war. Today they are 14%. They're not increasing and you're completely delusional. You should turn back before you start forwarding conspiracy emails to your grandkids.
(cont) the only solution I have for this problem is this: only those who pay in to the system should be able to reap its benefits. If it's all tax based, if you've paid your taxes, you should be able to utilize the healthcare that we collectively pay for. If it's all private, then you get served if you have paid for the private care, that's what's actually just and fair.
For those who can't pay in to the tax or private systems, they can volunteer for civil service which will credit them access to payment for the medical services in the country. Doctors can still charge what they feel is just for their services, and the Free Market (tm) can sort out who provides the best bang for the buck (as the average cost would be reflected on taxes or insurance, encouraging the populace to find the best value).
>IMPLYING A NATSOC WOULD'NT SUPPORT GOVT. HEALTHCARE
If america is to accept "free" healthcare you must accept a big cultural shift. As we are now, the american way of being fat is perfectly fine imo. One does what one wants to his or her body and he or she pays the consequences. One is free to become a lard ass if it means that they will pay for their bypass at 23yrs of age. There is nothing wrong with a person eating until their diabetes means their legs must be chopped off and they need a wheel chair; that is if they pay for it. This idea of american individualism has been eroded extremely hard in the past decades with the introduction of programs such as medicare/medicaid etc. A nation that left its people accountable for their circumstances has now embraced a gross mixture of single payer for some and lone wolf for others (while the loan wolves now pay for the ever increasing some).
America needs to either cut off these programs (good fucking luck kek) and return to the days of people buying insurance or saving money themselves to help pay for their healthcare or simply go full single payer. The myriad of issues i believe the states finds with its healthcare is due to it trying to double dip in both. There is no both. One or the other. Go back to the old days of american exceptionalism where people would arrive in your nation and know it was succeed or die as there was no medicare/welfare/benefits or go full europe.
I warn you though, with "free" healthcare comes an encroachment upon your rights. You may soon find yourself unable to ride a bicycle down the road to grab some milk without a helmet as you might hurt yourself and bring a cost to the "free" healthcare system (dailytelegraph.com.au
The question then becomes, do you become a nanny state that coddles the people and restricts them to make the system work (like here) or do you go the other way where you begin to profile people for healthcare (like the UK dailymail.co.uk
This is the other issue with free healthcare, we live in prosperous first world nations so we may be able to run these programs for some time smoothly but eventually it will come to a head and the belt must be tightened and you get the issues here i have written. Do not think for a moment a nation will be able to provide free healthcare to its citizens indefinitely without either becoming a nanny state where you must perform your government mandated cardio or one where you are forced to pay into but then can be denied service based on your issue.
ive begun ranting and gone off on a tangent here but what im saying is free healthcare aint free. Many people focus on the simple cost of what is seen but never take into account the unseen. The US is a powerhouse for drug development and innovation, the forefront for many new medical procedures and the like because of its competitive nature. The loss of this would be detrimental not just to americans but to any who would use their innovations. The loss of this productive industry, the loss of freedom to do as you please, the immoral aspect of forcing people to pay for what they can then be denied. Theres a lot more behind the curtain of single payer healthcare than meets the eye
everyone ITT is a newfag because you couldn't spot the template post this troll has been using for the last several months
Based Australian spreading facts
> Make a monopoly
> Wait until friends are in place
> Sell monopoly out
Why are you against getting a degree in health care and setting up a clinic?
Why has America not taken action against Chinese aggression and tyranny?
Oh thats right, you are dependent on their industries.
There is only "white supremacy" or "oppression" if you have a centralized system of dependence.
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I know you are a leftist shill because you always use a picture of a woman from your shill folder. Aus and Can get an exception but what other scumbag than a leftist uses that kind of cheap tactic. Go work for Oxfam.
Blacks are not increasing as a % of the population, but are increasing in absolute terms as the general population increases, making a complete Liberia solution more improbable as time goes on. At the moment, abortion is all that keeps them in check. We should still try to keep them static in absolute terms even as we fix the hispanic problem.
>Australia's healthcare works better than ours
yes but we pay an absolutely insane amount of taxes into it, even though most people never actually need to use it
when you need to be airlifted and put into surgery after a car crash it's a godsend, but most people just need a doctor's note saying that they were sick for work or something. i'd prefer it if there was a method to lower your payments if you never use healthcare.
I'm actually against a 50-60% income tax, but yeah, "niggers" or whatever.
There are people genuinely on both sides of the topic. The point is not so much that the OP genuinely wants to discuss it as others might.
See. This is why AUS gets an exception.
It's not as simple as you drugged up subservient retards imply it is.
Ok, so from an Australian standpoint, especially from someone who understands that private investment fuels the medical development here in the states, what can we do to improve our system? Legit curious.
Because no one should be forced, by the Government, to purchase anything against their will.
You shills are out on full force tonight
they're increasing both in absolute number and in proportion to whites.
make it even more private, keep some allowance for people who genuinely can not pay (for example a young child in poverty through no fault of his own who gets in a car crash), cut off welfare and try to foster a culture of forging your own success (especially among blacks)
your government is trying to change the healthcare system to an australian/UK style one because that gives them control over poor people. they then can offer more benefits, the poor will breed, and eventually the offer of more food stamps will be gladly taken even if it means banning all pistols
oh and get the illegals out, they're a massive drain on your system as doctors in ERs need to treat anyone who comes through the doors regardless of nationality
To be fair, I'm a /fit/ young male, and the only healthcare I've needed is the occasional dental work, but I know this will change as I get older. I'm not a fool, I get that. My parents, who also take great care of themselves, still need trips to the doctors more often than I will for years. I know that I will appreciate the investment now (sort of like social security / 401k contributions) when I am older instead of saying "fuck this, I'm not using it now, why not just pay for it later when I need it". I understand the need to plan ahead.
The major problem is, what I think you and I both agree on, we don't want to end up with a VA situation (emergencies work great but standard visits are fucking garbage). Let's brainstorm: is there some way we can have a nationalized healthcare system without the bullshit?
Yes, my dad pays almost a thousand dollars a month for insurance. Everyone who complains about taxes doesn't think about the fact that we won't be paying insurance anymore.
Why should I give a shit about healthcare? I'm in perfect health, have a high deductible health plan that cost me less than $100 a month, and fully fund my hsa? Fuck you and your diabeetus
Bullshit. So ''redtape and development costs" have replaced malpractice suits and liability ins premiums as the rationalization du jour.
The free market was eating y'all's lunch because so many people have either lost faith or simply could no longer afford the 'Your money or your life' extortion. Y'all wanted- and got, the government/ taxpayers to pick up the tab. Well, sort of.
Couple that with the fact that all the goodies had been handed out via TARP etc when the insurance companies' turn to beg came.
I forgot to mention that many of these FAILED & litigated ''practices'' have had to turn to the veterinary community to try and milk as much recoup and profit as y'all can squeeze out of them (Example- Deramaxx, formerly Vioxx. I've forgotten what the human version of Rimadyl and it's 2 ALIASES (for people who refuse to give their pets Rimadyl) are- Novox & Carpacin). Now pets are being maimed and poisoned in our place.
These drugs have the same toxic effects on animals that they do on people- but y'all knew that because you tested them on animals when they were being developed.
You actually believe there aren't people in the private sector watching THE NUMBERS, in the course of their own work? Not to mention their friends and neighbors who work within- and are RICHLY benefitting from, the system.
Not everybody is a know-nothing it. Times have changed. People are wising up (finally) & the truth is coming out. You can't stop it.
Enjoy it while you can.
Cheers
I dont know much friend, this isnt my area of expertise. Define improve? If you define it as the masses do, simply go full europe and hope the collapse happens outside your lifetime. That or repeal all you programs, trim the fat and go back to a proper free market system where innovation makes money not cronyism.
That epipen issue was quite funny, how the company worked hard in washington to get legislation passed to force the schools to carry their product then they jack up the prices. Make it so that good service, new products and the like pay more than simply cosying up in washington
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As it is now it simply pays more to get in good with government than it does to compete.
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No. That's what insurance is for.
Why on earth do you imagine that the deal will be anything but a net loss for any contributing member of society, given all the subhuman refuse that must be subsidized and all the political pet causes you'll be forced to subsidize?
Agreed on the illegals. I also am sympathetic to the "child in poverty" situation. I think that you must contribute to the paying system in some way in order to utilize it, but I haven't quite hashed out how to maximize efficiency. Increases in privatization will increase this to a point, and decrease costs, until monopolization kicks in and the government needs to act like a trust busting referree. I also don't know where this "allowance" you suggested will be properly allocated yearly if purely private.
Don't get me wrong, I understand that government intervention should be limited to "moderator" or "referee" status, but as populations grow, this healthcare situation becomes an exponentially growing problem.
Sure.
There is no "free market" in health care. You don't pick from several sources and buy what us most economical. You don't shop generics between Walgreens and Rite Aid, you buy what the doctor prescribes. You don't elect your services and they don't discount bundles. There is no good, better, best.
The free market will never shift, there is no competition, no caveat emptor.
We need the private investment to continue medical innovation. We also need to make sure that those who have contributed their entire lives don't get shafted at the end when their bodies break down and they need healthcare most. Like I have said in previous posts, I'm pretty young, and understand that any system I pay in to now would not yield me benefits (outside of emergencies), but would definitely yield benefits to my folks (who have worked hard their entire lives) and to myself when I age.
I have struggled with this problem as long as I understood it. I don't know how to properly provide for the populace without gaps as well as ensuring that our medical research and doctors get properly funded. Competition is good, and we're going to have to pay for it one way or another, which doesn't bother me. I just don't want to have to pay twice (via private and subsidies in taxes) for the same god damned thing.
Anyways, work in the morning. Thanks for the input. 'Night, roos.
People need to stop associating free healthcare with poor people, thats why it has this stigma. Paying money to the government for heathcare via taxes, is better than paying some heartless corporation whos best interest is to not pay out a claim.
>social security
kek, see
Oh, malpractice insurance is a huge burden as well. I come from a medical family and several older doctors in my family retired early rather than continue to practice because liability insurance premiums slashed their take from many common procedures to maybe 20% of what it was in earlier years of their practice. That said, they ran conventional practices and most of those have been bought out by hospitals due to recent consolidation pushes (due largely to new government compensation rules - it wasn't the practices asking for those, it was the hospitals required by law to treat the ever-increasing numbers of subhumans flooding this country).
That said, I cannot opine on hospital or veterinary practices, as I have limited insight into those areas. My knowledge is limited to private practices due to family and insurance and pharma development due to my profession.
Because Socialism
ive got a better idea, kill everyone over the age of 60. healthcare costs just dropped 90%
see Paying into a system to pay for others works while there is growth. While there is an ever expanding tax base you will be fine. This all falls apart when you begin to have the issues we have today.
Has someone posted that video of that fat fucking brit who is sneaking snacks off the trolley while shes trying to lose weight for a gastric bypass surgery and the doctor is just like what the fuck bitch you are costing the NHS a shitload of money you dumb cunt.
Free market in insurance and elective procedures, as informed by medical professionals. If you are prescribed a name brand, you can inquire about generics and the distinction. Sometimes, generics are just as good (because the new patent is on a negligible "improvement"), but there are many cases where the brand product offers a material improvement in treatment or quality of life (reduced side-effects or interactions with other drugs). If your doctor cannot/will not, switch or ask a pharmacist.
Because we're already subsidizing them. Everything costs more at the hospital to make up for what they lose when people come in with no intention or ability to pay.
I'm against universal healthcare because government monopolized healthcare removes competition, which makes it shit.
generics undergo a lot of bioequivalent tests to ensure they reach a certain standard that is deemed ok before being allowed to register.
Theyre just as good
>Wait, why are you against universal healthcare again?
Because
1.) I don't want the government involved in my healthcare decisions
2) I don't want insanely high taxes
That's it
>I don't understand insurance
I see the biggest problem is switching costs associated with employment changes. I'd like to see our health insurance industry decoupled from employment, as it only got where it is today because of wage controls that banned companies from raising wages to meet the market rate or lure superior staff from competitors.
This is another issue the states has, linking of benefits to a job to dodge taxes and hide under forced wage laws.
Then fix the problem at the root. Your proposal would only be a greater incentive for those creatures to multiply further.
Just as good as the previous version of a name brand. Name brand drugs often are 'revised' either to simply have a marginally different product under a new patent that is not materially distinguishable from an earlier version on which the patent has expired or due to genuine improvements (unknown to a layman and, perhaps, some medical professionals who do not track the development).
That's fine, but you need blood work with lipo and hiv tests, that's $670. The health clinic down the road does it for $450. Next year, price goes up 10% for lab work. You don't care, you pay $1000 a month for insurance, it's easier and you'll let the doctor do it biannually because you don't front these costs
The amount of patients happy to pay triple for the original because they do not believe the generic works is always funny
I'm shocked I tell you. Obviously, it was either that or a pharmaceutical rep.
Maybe it hasn't affected you, your family, or anyone you know, but it's bad- and getting exponentially worse since the 80s. Especially with the FDA getting into the act.
Just walk in the other person's shoes.
>State-run
There's your problem. Inefficient healthcare and high taxes is what you'll get if you go Universal. It's only free if you're on benefits.
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Shadilay, my friend. Death be upon you!
Much as I'm against market distortions, I'd be okay with the government allowing you to spend pre-tax dollars on private health insurance rather than tethering you to your employer so they can spend pre-tax dollars on your health insurance. It would be an improvement over the current situation, to be sure.
It would also solve the problem of people having to switch jobs and losing insurance from their previous insurer and then discovering that their "pre-existing condition" (that was not "pre-existing" when they started the plan with the previous employer) makes it hard/impossible to find a new plan they can afford. This also eliminates the excuse Niggercare used to compel the wealth transfer from the healthy to the ill in mandating that insurers ignore that factor.
With the above changes, we could preserve care for people starting a business (not hopping from one employer plan to another), retiring (thus losing employer plan), etc. without also subsidizing niggers who play stupid games and win stupid prizes then "deciding" to buy "insurance" once they have a debilitating self-inflicted handicap.
I like you mate, what do you do that has given you such an insight into the healthcare system you have there?
Dude the NHS sucks.
The business majors running hospitals are there simply to ensure the process happens as cheaply as possible. Canadian healthcare is costing us 50% of the provincial tax budget. It's getting way out of hand. People are getting paid less than in 3rd world countries due to exchange, and taxes running up.
Insurance companies are only a problem when they have a monopoly (such as what is happening under the obamacare system) or they simply don't fulfill their contractual obligations (such as denying claims frivolously). At all other times insurance companies make it cheaper to get medical service.
I am a healthy individual that sees the doctor maybe 2 or 3 times a year. Obviously, the increase in taxes I'll be forced to pay for this program won't be going to me.
Universal healthcare is forcing healthy people to subsidize the costs of diabeetus negros and asthmatic Cred Forums autists.
Fuck you.
Agreed, and it's a problem. There can be a difference and it is important for medical professionals to keep abreast and advise patients accordingly, being prepared to answer questions about the recommendation.
Do you have links to any literature (or articles, if need be) I could follow up on to learn more about the specific cases you're talking about? I'm no authority on the subject, but I do speak with policymakers on a regular basis in the course of my work and professional associations and would like to learn more so that I can inquire with them from an educated perspective, should the opportunity arise.
That all depends on the kind of insurance you have. It's less feasible due to government intervention these days, but I'm inclined to think that a true catastrophic insurance plan (so we can use the term "insurance" within the proper meaning of the word) paired with out of pocket payment for anything short of that would tend to streamline the process, reduce costs, and allow our health care system to function with much less overhead.
>2-3 times a year
>healthy
Nice one mate
I practice law in the heart of the leviathan. Only bad lawyers try to practice law without gaining a reasonable (though far from complete and limited by my position) understanding of the operation of the businesses they serve.
That, and you don't get ahead in this town without being able to opine on most policy topics with a minimum degree of competence.
It's awful.. Clinics crowded with savages that waste resources for the minor colds and bullshit. Apathetic doctors. Almost nobody I know has a "family doctor" anymore. Wait months for an mri or cat scan.
Top stuff mate. I find Americans are the only ones who can see the consequences of the free system we have here along with the myriad of issues government brings.
i'm not a troll. i do like to discuss important issues like healthcare, minimum wage, etc. This board is not for the exclusive discussion of black IQ scores
dude i use hot girls because i want replies and discussion. Sorry i didn't post the 30th picture of hitler on this board right now.
Exactly. This is why healthcare should be free and nobody should be forced to purchase it.
presicely i agree with you
i'm not heatless and i want all people to thrive and be healthy. The elderly should be taken care of because they are somewhat vulnerable after age 70. We need to find a way that elderly people do not become isolated and scared.
>This is why healthcare should be free and nobody should be forced to purchase it.
what the fuck am i reading
>Exactly. This is why healthcare should be free and nobody should be forced to purchase it.
i haven't been baited this hard since 2008
Because by the time you get the service you are dead. Enjoy the wait times
I WANT GOOGLES TO LEAVE!
>social security
>solvent
Pick one. Stupid google.
If you get sick, you are forced to purchase medical care in order to become well.
I think you should not be forced to purchase because the patient in this transaction is extremely vulnerable.
That's why you can't leave healthcare to free-market transaction. You have to provide it for free to everyone that needs it.
wait times in canada
I have good health care and don't want nigger tier gov'ment programs
i'm not a commie cunt
So why don't you go to medical school, get your doctor's license, and start providing medical services for free?
Might wanna do that math again
bunch of stupid leafs in here rn, smdh
Own by a leaf
The wait time is infinite if you can't afford healthcare in a capitalist system. I'd rather have some chance of surviving than none. No system is perfect, not even universal healthcare.
For a country that makes such great chocolate, you guys sure do hate that color
It's medicare that is bankrupt. Social security is fairly solvent. Much more so than your smartypants big businessmen were in 2008.
Holy shit that kid gave a brilliant answer. This fucking teacher is just stupid as fuck.
Taxes, you leaf. You should know that taxes in Canada pay for universal health care. Yea, taxes are higher, but it goes to something useful and that everyone needs. The U.S. could do this too if it prioritized taxes and stopped subsidizing big business.
only need to look at the public school system to figure how nationalization will wash out.
Because society needs janitors, teachers, factory workers, etc. We all have to do our part.
Sorry but I don't think poor people should be sacrificed at the altar of making sure doctors make more than 300K
eh, i think ill stop being a surgeon and just become a teacher. Same pay right? Im tired of these working hours desu famalambambam
Boy, this is huge stuff. tl;dr for this kind of forum.
Google "ivermectin toxicity" & diethylcarbamazine (might be misspelled) as 1 example, You can spend thousands of dollars (BTDT) looking for answers, while your dog is progressively dying before your eyes. (She lived. By the Grace of God, I stopped the drug just before the seizure/ coma stage, fighting 4 vets every step of the way. She turned 10 this past July)
. Okay, but some permanent damage.
I have links on several flash drives (this was 2010-2014); scribd, PubMed, all the MDR1 garbage -which imho, it is- look up the 'new' genetic test), more, plus anecdotal from other rescues in other states (one of whom is responsible for saving my dog's life).
I wish I knew how to use dropbox.
2 human examples are Cardizem (arrhythmia side effects $$$ at the ER) vs Digitalis. And probably the most common, the Primatene Mist/ Asthmanefrin/ steroid side effects on that with FDA fully in the pocket of Asthmanefrin/ Albuterol manufacturer & doctors fighting it tooth & nail. Diabetes? Cushings Disease? No problem. Refusing to refill scrips & telling patients to go to the ER. Once again, $$$$$
I'm not the only one who is really pissed.
This is just the tip of the iceberg for both myself & my dogs. Testing protocols are another issue. Again $$$$$. Zero remedy.
I recently had major dental work, so got a DNR & Advance Directive documents, jic. I'm 60. I mean it.
There's nothing wrong with greedy people leaving the medical profession. Eventually, if the salary between teacher and doctor becomes equal, people who actually like the profession and want to help people will join it instead of soulless money grubbers.
maybe post some primary source, like quotes from the actual document?
why would you pay for the poor health style decisions of other people, when you pay for universal hc you are paying to threat fat people, drunk people, drug addicts, people who only go to the doctor when its too late and it gets way more expensive because of that, itˋs not because of niggers, everyone should be responsible for their own decisions
>universal healthcare
>obamacare intending to be so bad so as to make a single payer universal system put into place
>singling out billionaires
>not realizing the middle class will have to pay for it as the billionaires make more money from single payer systems
>meanwhile more people die waiting on care just like everywhere else
I agree 100% let's do it and collapse society.