Honest Debate Feels Thread

America is fucked no matter who wins.
Trump got destroyed but I don't think this will be too big a hit on his chances, he has survived worse.

Same, they both looked like idiots tonight. Trump couldve taken it at any point if he just used facts from the investigations into Hillary's emails but he didnt.

Hillary also looked more composed and overall nice

Trump maybe didn't know he was still on camera when he was muted

Trump was winning for the first 45 mins, then gradually came undone

WAIT

I'M COMING UNDONE

TOO LATE

most large business owners dont.
I expensed 4 Porsche 944s in my last business and got a tax refund at the end of the year.

The tax system has been fucked and he is doing what people have been bitching about for years and saying it needs to change.

I agree mostly. I'm thinking he has to be saving the big punches for the very last debate hoping the momentum will carry over to election day.

Also, I'll say Hillary came off super fake. She can be easily beaten but damn he needs to reel it in some and quit fucking talking like someone from /x/ board.

you don't get rich by paying taxes you silly britbong

I think it was infuriating he was aasked about his tax returns and Hillary never answered for her emails.

When weak faggots are losing they swarm their opponents, they boo you, they atack you in big groups, they act as they are strong, atack them one by one and they fall.

except the fact hillary successfully painted trump as an arrogant buffoon with anger issues
he flew off the handle way too many times, and you can bet she will use those episodes at every possible moment.

I know, but when you're whole thing is about how people aren't paying their share and making america great again it doesn't come off well

Trump was strong in the beginning then slowly lost it. It got worse as it went on. It was like he didn't even prepare for the debate. It was tough to watch. She was smart with how she attacked him, always in the middle of her response as an aside, so he had to interrupt her. He had a lot of chances to attack but he failed to exploit them.

I feel the same way. He had a lot of zingers and delivered them all wrong. He took the bait so much it would make an Auzzie blush.
If he realizes this is a debate an not a rally, its in the bag.

exactly. he was acting like a 7th grade retard at certain points.

having said that, if he loses this election; it will be because he fucked himself over...not because she won.

Trump met the low bar so he's okay. Wasted opportunities and obviously unprepared for a 1v1 debate. Hillary was okay but her facial expressions were extremely off putting and I think made her look worse than anything trump did

WHO WANTS TO PURGE?

Hillary directly mentioned the DNC hacks, which gave Trump the opening to remind all the Bernie holdouts why they hate her.

It's fucking amateur hour. Trump blusters for 2 minutes at a time without saying anything, and Hillary just stands there with a shit-eating grin stapled to her face before regurgitating prepared statements. She needed to make Trump look like a dunce, but she just came off as a delusional elitist by smiling all day while talking about "the vibrancy of the black church"

Melt this shit Earth. Melt this shit Earth and start over

Nobody is going to be particularly swayed either way by tonight's debate. Clinton seemed like a lying elitist, and Trump was Trump.

If anything, I'm starting to feel like we're going to have another 2000 election with hanging chads and everything.

Yeah, he's saving a lot of dirt on her, bud. He should've mentioned some of the stuff he had on her so he wouldn't have came off as such a wreck.

And yes, to one who realizes who Hillary is, she won't steal the Trump voter's support, but to an average bluepilled memeing redditor she scores.

Trump looked like a fool to undecided voters, to undecided voters Hillary won

He got to feel her out. He should be more prepared for the second debate.

Trump started off great but got worse towards the end.
He also missed a lot of talking points that the average POLack would have made. Instead of making them he repeated himself.
I think he did OK overall, could have been a lot better.

DEUS VULT

SOLVE ET COAGULA

Yah

I think if the debate can go off her talking points she is fucked.

but holy hell, he gets derailed easily.

Honestly, some people in the sticky mentioned someone's boobs and/or nipples near the end of the debate and and I've been looking all over Cred Forums for that because that is so much more important of a topic to me than the debate was.

If anyone can help me that would b swell.

He did not do bad, not great either. He did really well in the economy part. He looked bad in the racism and sexism parts - but you have to keep in mind, these aren't important issues for voters who aren't already voting for Clinton. He was also a bit off on foreign policy, too rambling.

Not great but not a Clinton blowout.

Pretty much for the most part. I thoroughly enjoyed the first half more than the second half.

When it got to the second half, it honestly felt like Trump started to ramble more and more trying to correct his own record with the truth, which ultimately stalled much of the debate.

But as others have pointed out, it's incredibly likely that this first debate was only Trump testing the waters first to see how the crowd reacts, the mod mods and how $hillary oper8s.

I'm certain that he's going to hit harder next debate, and last debate will be the ultimate knockout punch in the fabled Achilles heal.

>could have been a lot better
It could have been pure bliss if he didn't sperg out like the average Cred Forumsack.

He seemed under prepared, but I'm expecting him to do better. Even with the podium adjustments, Trump still looked bigger, they can't hide that at all.

>her facial expressions were extremely off putting
And this. It looked like she had an underpowered Hitachi strapped to her leg the whole time. That bitch is not socially normal, there's no way she isn't mentally fucked up.

He does better when he's on the offensive but there were too many moments when he was on the defensive and started to stumble.

He should've pushed her on the emails, FBI investigation and Clinton Foundation a lot more. Also he could've spent more time on the issue of the DNC colluding against Bernie Sanders.

I still don't think this debate would sway many voters from either side since nobody really dominated.

It was a tie at the debate and a. We win for Trump at the race.

She appealed to the Bernie crowd so she will probably pull up at CO and VA costong Trump 9EV (as VÁ was predicted blue anyway ).

Trump name dropped OH, MI and catered to their concerns. That will net him PA and advance his chances in MI. PA flipping will get him 20EV.

Result: Trump +11EV and the presidency

Its a good point. Trump railed his plan in and it didnt really work. he should have pulled apart clintons years of government work and how inefficient it was and her voting record would destroy her. He has plenty of ammo but needs to focus and show that he has the energy when he can speak but give her enough rope to hang herself.

>also, rin a best.

This.

I think he finished up strong though. Most people only remember the beginning and end of debates so he should come off better than OK.

Overall I would give it to Trump by a narrow margin.

They both had highs and lows but Trump came across as more authentic and honest than Hillary. Admittedly this is not hard to do but he still did it.

Mostly agree with OP.

I still think Trump won because he did well on trade and economics, and that's the biggest issue for voters

How did she appeal to the Bernie crowd? She brought up the DNC hack that exposed the shenanigans they pulled against Bernie. Trump pounced on that. One of his few good moments tonight

Neither candidate gained much outside of their base. I kept waiting for a KO from Trump, but it never came. His examples and explanations were awful too; the fucking Club one to counter Hillary's racism —wtf. Overall impression was weak; the alpha jackal of the primaries disappeared. Idk if it was on purpise tho; Hillary was incredibly smug the whole time, acted really elitist —might backfire on her, especially with Trump looking / acting like a frustrated average Joe. It's kind of difficult to shill the maniac agenda further with this weak performance.

I dont understand how can anybody voting for her after the "muh institutional racism", how can a country with so many africans still like those animals ?

>Being assertive is a bad trait for a president

wewwwwwwwwwww

> tax the rich
> renegotiate student loans
> urban "diverse" lenience

This is college educate millennial catering, if she said "weed" she would
Have secured then forever.

He didnt mention it but look at the income tax that he pays for his workers, property tax, sales tax, etc. His personal income tax is pennies in the large scheme.
He needs to start taking Clintons jabs and painting a larger picture than the small holes that she has already poked holes in.

he did come off as more authentic. she is fake as hell...constantly.

but he looked insane for a few minutes.

people really are dumb enough to not differentiate morality vs. competitive business?

that the laws of our country, combined with the competitive market, force you to use the "unfair" laws to your advantage to be successful?

if so, let clinton win. the people deserve it

Trump won, but not in a commanding way. He got flustered on some points and really missed certain opportunities to hit Clinton hard. He needs to stop playing defense and just counter punch.

She didn't do much to sway any voters imo. If you like her you like her. If you don't like her there was no reason to change now.

Trump played close to center. He spoke over her often and refused to be cut off by her. He showed emotion, she did not.

The moderator was very biased. Called Trump on several scandals, but didn't call out Clinton on hers.

Trump look intimidating, but sniffed a lot. Clinton looked bewildered and faked laughs. She really creeps me out.

If you watched without sound u would think trump won by a mile. Hillary was very condescending and smug looking the whole time. Trump looked genuine. With sound I think trump rambled too much

Spent way too much time on trumps tax returns

Centrist that's posted twice since the start of the election here.

They both came off as two extremes (very presidential during certain parts, very persuasive during others) during the debate. Neither convinced me. I'd prefer Rand and Bernie be debating and in all honesty, as neither of these people deserved to be up there.

It was unconvincing and a waste of my family's time, honestly.

>TRUMPFAGS SHUT THE FUCK UP THIS IS AN ADULT DEBATE IT REQUIRES RESPECT AND SILENCE

>M-Madam President, y-you're 2 minutes is up, if you f-felt like stopping maybe

>TRUMP YOU'RE A RACIST PIECE OF SHIT THAT VEHEMENTLY SUPPORTED THE WAR OF IRAQ, HOW DO YOU RESPOND?

>Secretary of State, Lady Clinton Honored be thy name, how do you feel about terrorism and eating babies?

This debate was a little stacked. Even so Trump could have done better. He was "got" by the gotcha questions and rambled too much while on the defensive.

I think I agree with all of this.

With that said Hillary's also got room for improvement (although probably less so than Trump).

Yeah . . .

There's no recovery from a 14 point swing like this. The sooner you accept it, the sooner you'll achieve peace with it.

/thread

>If you watched without sound

This seems desperate.

What an utterly facile, meaningless debate.

Almost no actual policy proposals put forth on what shape America is going to take under their leadership.

Just some back and forth bickering about tax returns and email management and other nonsense. Even when policy was mentioned it was so brief and simplistic that there was basically no way to garner any information about what was going to result from it.

No questions about income inequality, massive government subsidies to corporations, the fact both candidates have taken massive donations from special interests groups or the fact that American foreign policy is constantly creating extremism and worsening the situation around the globe?

We're all doomed.

Go ack to reddit nigger faggot there's going to be nothing but fire and brimstone here for the next several hours REEEEEEE

Hillary has spent near a quarter billion dollars on ads parroting the same talking points she made about Trump tonight.
The result is him either leading or being tied in every state.

This is pretty much his debate demeanour since the primaries. He doesn't KO everybody, luckily you all are the judges if it goes to a decision.

>implying the Bernie voters were smart enough to listen to facts
Facts are boring, and people tend not to pay attention to them.
They were voting for a socialist (some would even call him a communist Jew), I don't believe they really care about economics or what is factually successful. However, I'm not sure if Bernie voters are too important anyways since they're generally young and unlikely to vote.

What did Trump say at the end exactly? He said he was going to say something bad about Hillary's family but he didn't cause it was rude? What the fuck. Why didn't you say it!

>>M-Madam President, y-you're 2 minutes is up, if you f-felt like stopping maybe
Figures an illiterate can't tell it was trump who kept going over time.

>quit fucking talking like someone from /x/ board.

SHES A KEK

>I'm going to help the middle class

>Buy my $25 book to find out how

This was her biggest fuck up of the night imo

>America is fucked regardless

This. And OP you are also correct. I fucking HATE Hillary, but she has 10000x the experience Trump has in political debates. Sure, he's a savvy businessman and headstrong as fuck to accomplish what he's done throughout his life, but you can tell Hillary just has more reps in knowing how to conduct one's self in a political debate. She knows how to play the game and that's all this is...a fucking game. It's "who can look like they care about America" the most.

I am not a Cred Forums poster. I rarely ever come here because I've seen it's mostly 18 year olds spouting on about subjects they don't even know about except shit they learned from mom and dad and their political science class at their community college. I'm 28. While I'm not some seasoned vet in politics, I can't be bothered to read what some nearly underage faggot has to say about the next president. Having said that, anyone who thinks either of these two people are fit to be the next presidents are either what I just described and/or a complete brain-dead retard.

America is fucked. Hillary is just more of the same (political puppet for big corporations) and Trump has no business being a presidential nominee. Hell, he has no business being a fucking mayor of a small town of 1,000 people. He's a businessman, not a political figure.

Every 4 years we're left with two candidates rational people don't want. The system is fucked and rigged. No turning back.

Trump started out clearly nervous, but then got fired up before long.

Hillary baited him multiple times, but there where also tons of opportunities for him to counter punch and land critical blows with light bantz and facts.

"""fact""" checking occurred as expected and the moderator had clear clinton bias, however he was also aggressive on Trumps non answers, Clinton was a touch more concise. Trump needs to get his shit on lock down STAT.

Trump remained on the defensive for most of the debate attempting to deflect and correct hillaries statements and the moderators leads. It was a VERY rough night for him.

Trump flat out seemed to admit, very defensibly, that he didn't pay taxes. Bad move.
Hillary didn't deny super predator. Trump didn't press.
So many missed bits we could talk about it for days (and we will).

In summation...

>Crowd cheers for Trump "quiet"
>Crowd cheers for Hillary (((silence)))
>second to last question: "So Mr. Trump, Hillary is the first ever female candidate of a major political party in the US. You said she doesn't "look presidential". Please explain.

Shilling is going into overdrive and will stay their. Hillary performed a little better tonight Lock and stock politician.

Trump needs to clean his shit up and be clean clear concise and shoot to kill.

I thought both did okay. I don't understand this over dramatic shill angle being pushed all of a sudden

No I'm just talking about presence. You can tell a lot about someone from watching them talk. I think Hillary hit better but Jesus she is hard to like.

Taxes aren't charity. You don't get any moral brownie points for getting extorted. Being a crafty fucker who knows the system and doesn't pay a god damn thing should be considered a plus.

>talking like someone from /x/ board
>from /x/ board
>/x/ board

Honesty I think Americans are sick of that shit. I think Trump is going to win because people are tired of hearing about how they are "racist"

Tbqh Hillary did everything right and Trump didn't make the "big mistake" that would instantly torpedo his campaign. In a sense they both accomplished what they set out to do.

Hillary did really well. She recited her water cooler talking point and repeated it for emphasis later (Trumped up trickle down), she didn't drink water or look uncomfortable on stage (allayed her health fears), she held a playful aloofness that instantly discredited Trump's ramblings when he went off on tangents, and she looked presidential.

Trump appeared to be a little under the weather, he drank water repeatedly, he flubbed his softball questions (cyberterror and homegrown terror), and he rambled like a buffoon later in the debate. He kept his cool for the most part and held his own clearly didn't prepare at all for the debate.

Hillary will get a 5+ point bump from the debate almost solely due to the fact that she looked healthy. Nothing else that happened tonight really mattered in the grand scheme of things. It's still anybody's ballgame.

The only person that's going to come out hurting from tonight is Hillary. She got hit very hard a few times tonight, but Trump stumbled a lot along the way himself. It was his own personality that hurt him, none of Hillary's actual attacks meant shit.

Just like the primary debates people are going to attack him on his personality, but in the end, he came out on top, beating his opponents by a very wide margin.

DUCK
DOGE
WEAVE
EVADE

he needed to say that income taxes don't go to good things, they go to the interest on our debt.

So the only way to get Bernie voters is to go full DUDE WEED LMAO?

She made a condescending pass at acknowledging Bernie's ideas. Lower cost for college, tax the rich, etc. Why directly fuck with that message by mentioning the DNC hack? I know you have to invoke your boogeyman Putin, but he's done other shit recently that doesn't open you up to allegations of shady deals. Crimea? Ukraine? It's just bad.

Are any of you old enough to remember watching the Romney/Obama debates?

You don't understand what they don't want you to understand, understand?

I commonly have people tell me Trump is racist. How is he racist exactly? Nobody ever answers me that when I ask. "He just is!" Because he wants to deport illegals?

Her answers to the questions were direct and came off better.
He kind of rambled a little, but his rebukes were better - pointing out Ford going to Mexico, her saying the TPP was a gold standard, IS sreading.

He missed complete and total blowout moments. How could he not bring up the absolutely vulnerable server?

Then she brings up him "stiffing" people and he totally whiffs on Haiti!

She could've been BTMFO so hard a few times, and he blew it.

There were a couple of times he pushed her shit in, but not enough. He owned moLester tho. He looked really bad and weak, not to mention that he looked like an absolute democrat cum guzzler.

trumpfags on suicide watch

twitter.com/recordsANDradio/status/780606272487956480?s=09

This. Once Hillary nailed him on this, it was clear he lost.

GIANT METEOR 2016

QUESTIONS ASKED:
>Why did Trump question Obama's legitimacy as president?
>Why hasn't Trump released his tax returns?
>How exactly does Trump prevent companies for leaving the United States?
>You said Hillary didn't have the "look", what did you mean by this?

QUESTIONS NOT ASKED:
>Libya
>Benghazi
>Haiti
>emails
>foreign policy
>Clinton Foundation
>Why exactly is Trump a racist/xenophobe/sexist
>campaign contributions

DRUMPF FINISHED

No one new is criticizing Trump

That should answer everything

And that he pays a shit load of payroll tax and property taxes. Income is not the only thing that's taxed.

Something like "I pay more every year in payroll tax from the jobs I've created than you've ever paid in income tax" would have gone a long way.

>It was like he didn't even prepare for the debate. I

He literally didn't. He even bragged about not preparing. Completely idiotic move.

Trump fucking sucks at debate and you know it, debates will only hurt his campaign, he has to pull through somehow.

>how can anybody voting for her after the "muh institutional racism"
I mean, the people who are against institutional racism will vote for her. I understand that this sentiment might be hard for you to grasp though.

emails was asked you retarded red piller

Not "we need gun control!"?

Honestly she got wrecked. Whenever Donald really went at her she deflected to fact checkers or "in this reality". She had a moderator who was planted to be the voice of authority who always went on trump and to make viewers believe trump was wrong when the mods facts were fucked. Trump hit the mod and Hillary. Not only that the audience was bussed in and neglected rules later in the debate.

This whole thing was staged and they are still doing damage control. Trump handled it well, Hillary had moments of abrupt out roar when Donald went in on her foreign diplomacy. He even got some sneaky info about her outbreak he overheard during the temperment conversation.

He wrecked. The lasting sound bite will always be, she's been here for 30 years and now is saying she wants change. Also he didn't bring up any of the HRC claims which will be revealed before the next debate. Donald has ammo and he's going to milk Hillary slowly, like during the primaries.

Shills working overtime and edge fags saying nobody won. Trump has gone up, Hillary continues to go down.

Who lost this debate?

Everyone.

It was boring and neither of them did a single thing to change anyones mind or managed to really make the other look stumped.

Trump got BTFO by Taxes and Hillary didn't have a single answer for any question all night beyond babbling.

I don't understand how you can come away from that feeling like Trump gave a good performance at all. That was not a debate. There's not many ways I can imagine that possibly going worse for him.

Donald has proven his performance as a traditional politician doesn't matter though.

Couple of retards flinging shit at each other.

Trump had a good start but he completely dropped the ball after he brought up temperament. Didn't answer very many of the questions.

Clinton had the whole thing scripted and dodged every single question thrown at her.

They're both a couple of bumbling morons that shouldn't be allowed to run. They both ignored the moderator and engaged in shit flinging.

America is doomed.

Trump could have knocked this debate out of the park if he was prepared. I think he tried to wing it, and Hillary had a whole team get her prepared to keep him on the defensive.

I hope he does better in the next two debates, because if he doesn't, I'm almost certain its the Hillbeast in the whitehouse.

If she wins.. we're in deep shit. Buy it cheap, and stack it deep, goys.

>Trump look intimidating
He looked like he was wearing a joke Halloween mask of his own face but okay, I guess you see what you want to see.

He totally missed the opportunity to rip on hillary though. wtf was he thinking???

They both looked bad, Trump looked worse. Exactly as expected.

He's too honest about some things. He has said many times in the past that he pays as little in tax as he can.

Who else doesn't do this though? Do you think Hillary sends the IRS some extra money?

I don't want the earth to melt, it would be extremely painful

Except it was Hillary who repeatedly flew off the handle and got mad while Trump just did that stupid smug face, even when he didn't have a reason to be smug.

He said there are many rapists from Mexico coming over the border.

He originally said it in a way that was easily manipulated into soundbytes that said "mexicans are rapists"

No, it was "cyberattacks"

no they weren't, Trump had to bring that up. Only then did the moderator ask about it

>bragging about exploiting the system
this made me cringe. I had to leave for a little bit

Trump had so much ammo he could use, but he didnt. It makes me mad. He has to have people around him articulating his viewpoints. He has to have people around him who know the details of Hillarys various scandals, but he fucking blew it.

So either he doesn't have these people, or he isnt listening.

The dude is really articulate when you watch him as a younger man discuss politics. I want to see that Trump, calm and calling it as it simply is. But he didnt deliver tonight.

But I dont think Hillary did much better either. Perception wise I can see how people might think she won, but all in all, I could have easily just skipped the debate, and I think most people will feel similarly. I dont think any of the debates are going to meaningfully change the course of this election.

Of course people are dumb and don't understand it.
This is what makes a good politician, to not actually go out and brag about not paying taxes even though there is nothing wrong with it.

Trump was incoherent and rambling in his responses. Too much talking about himself and his successes.

Clinton seemed pretty composed although her answers lacked any real substance. Clinton appeared like any typical politician; nothing special.

Future debates will go Trump's way if the moderator/questions aren't as biased.

and when she ducked with "muh mistake" he didn't press her on 5th amendment even while under immunity, smashing with hammer, responding to the director of the FBI's character profile of her being highly incompetent and grossly negligent, lying to congress, refusing orders given by congress, or anything

yet every time Trump ever gave a half or non answer he grilled him for it you goof

I feel Trump did better then expected.
After the commander in chief forum I thought he would get ganged up on. It still happened but he held his ground.
I felt Hillary didn't get any hard questions, they made this spectacle all about Trump.

>If he reigns it in next time and doesn't go for the bait, he could win solidly next time. She doesn't offer excitement or inspire, if he would chill out some; he could win easily.

This is pretty much where I'm at.

>it was Hillary who repeatedly flew off the handle and got mad
(Trump interrupting Clinton voice) Wrong.

Good job, Cred Forums. I was expecting you to be even more in denial than The_Donald is right now.

I didn't expect so much realism in here. A lot more "he had the ammo, and it was an easy win, but he fucked it up" than "WOW CLEAR WIN, HILLARY BTFO, PEPE TOP KEK" and it's impressive.

I don't think you were watching the same debate the rest of us were...

I think Trump did a great job in the first 30 minutes. The "30 years" lines were great, I think he needs to hammer in Clintons incompetence and her e-mail scandals more.
But then he went on the defensive like he always does. His ego fucks him over way too much, he should have stayed on the offensive like the first third of the debate.
But really Clinton didn't do much better either, all she had was precanned bullshit all politicians have. While Trump flubbed defensively, Clinton sounded insincere. Ultimately Trump won, but just barely.
Also fuck that moderator. How can they get away with being so partial to one candidate and no one care?

Trumpster made mistakes. too many times chin and mexico, mostly in the beginning. shillary sounded like a tape recorded who played canned responses and when she didnt remember what to say she said "check my book/ website".
in second third Trump went high energy and really attacked. best moments were with the emails and some other nice attacks.
after that he let himself distracted with irrelevant bullshit and simply missed absolut amazing attack vectors in regard to race, nukes etc. and in my opinion way too much talking about who endorses him and why he is amazing.
but in general Trump was really positive, while hillary just attacked hm with nonsensical sjw concepts like privilege, sexism, racism and other negative stuff.
I would say it was a tie, but Hillary reached her ceiling while Trump didnt even start yet.

Thought it as boring as shit. Stopped watching.

To be perfectly honest I thought Trump rambled and fucked up a bunch of times. However, I really do not think average America see's it the same way. I legitimately thought Al Gore BTFO of GW Bush when they debated too, and yet America saw it entirely differently. Nobody cares about bullshit pat political answers with 'oh hey I'm going to create jobs I'm going to invest in the middle class'. EVERY SINGLE FUCKING POLITICIAN SAYS THAT SAME SHIT. I swear America just tunes it out when they hear it now, and Hillary had nothing but that.

Trump looked like an ass a few times, but I think the moments he shined on trade and jobs and NAFTA are all that actually matters. And they happened at the start of the debate, which is great and probably all that like 2/3rds of America even watched.

Honestly, Trump won and left all the good shit (corruption, foundation, e-mails mostly) for later.

Today he was slightly reprimanding and lecturing the queen bitch. Next time he'll roast her. After the third time, normies will know everything (or, well, some of it): the corruption, the Clinton Foundation, the e-mails - everything!

Trump utterly destroyed her.

He talked about real plans and policy and Clinton just talked about Trump.

He had her on the ropes the whole times. All she could do was arrogantly smirk while she was losing. It was embarrassing for her and for the Democratic party.

Isn't it fucking common sense that that type of thing would appear arrogant and heartless to the average voter? Part of being a good debater is knowing who your audience is. Trump failed miserably on that front. The responsibility lays with the candidate to explain his own intentions, not for the voters to guess at it themselves.

I guess I'm too biased. I thought Trump overall did great and Clinton did okay. For the most part, Trump was the dominating presence on the stage and it felt like to me that he was the one in control. I think that helps undecided voters much more image-wise.

> he didn't even prepare for the debate.

I'm 100% behind Donald, but that was my impression too -- he simply did not look prepared in any way shape or form...

trump was defensive, negative, an incoherent. hillary was poised and positive, didn't get rattled but lost energy toward the end.

There is tons of denial m8. Just go to just about any other thread. You'll be called a shill just for saying Trump lost.

The new shill script is income taxes, birther and temperment.

It's very likely I was just being too condensending towards bernouts, but non-statistics are very effective -- and weed lmao current year worked very well for Trudeaux. Even in my AP economics class the Bernie supporters -- who were likely just trying to be edgy, because the teacher was redpilled (praise kek) -- were very sharp kids, but still didn't pay close attention to the statistics against socialism and often repeated many typical liberal viewpoints.

People can feel if you are real or not. Everyone knows Hillary is a fraud. Shes not nice. Shes a cunt.

People may not agreed with Bill's policies but people generally liked him. Her, she is fake and more condescending than Trump.

I honestly dont know how he didnt crush her.

who gives a fuck? its her government who allows them to fucking do this. Who is worse? someone taking advantage of the system that is there or the government who has the ability to plug the system but doesnt?

i dont blame private businesses for taking advantage of tax loop holes shit even rich people themselves if every middle class person would do the same exact fucking thing and sometimes they actually fucking do. Go into HR block sometime and ask about all the shit you can tax deduct its just rich people pay extremely smart people to do all there fucking taxes

Hope you're right, ruski.

Mediocre performance for Trump. Shillary should preparation. Hoping he is more aggressive next time, instead of defending himself.

She got to answer almost every imporyant question first.
That gave her an opportunity to put Trump on the defensive with the Putin comment for example. So he had drflect an attack AND make a statement in the same time period. This didnt leave him much room for an attack of his own.
Ultimately it's this tactic that gave her the debate.
I guess she didnt pay all those psychology experts for nothing.

The first half hour was undoubtedly in Trump's favor, you know, the part of the debate where they asked real questions.

Whoops, you're right.

I feel like trumps efforts outside the debates are having much more of an effect. He has done a ridiculous amount of campaigning over the last few months while hillary has done none, she even bragged that she was doing it to prepare for the debate. He has reached far more people already without the debate

Oh okay, thanks for the context.

it was a shitshow but trump lost

rip america: youtube.com/watch?v=C7l-ko6KlRU

just according to plan

If Trump learns from his fails in this debate and practices a bit he can easily crush her in the next two.

Good thing: Lots of people will watch the next one. This one was entertaining. Easily the best pres. debate in history.

He does learn from failure as evidenced by his campaign, so let's hope he comes back from this stronger like he does everything else.

pointing out shes wrong??

what? did you watch Clintons body movement? She was agitated as fuck and her smug smile everytime trump hit her on something was pretty obvious she was mad about it

Hillary's biggest weakness is her fucking answers.

Asked about race relations, she rambles about some retarded black vibrancy, asked about ISIS she talks about Information Surges.

She needs to offer SOLUTIONS.

Trump blatantly, openly lies through his teeth...but he offers solutions.

She just sounds like wheels spinning.

It's what utterly fucking wrecked the Remain side during Brexit. Farage and Boris spun webs of bullshit....but it was SOMETHING.

>Jobs Hillary, what about them?

>...

>...

>...INSTALLING SOLAR PANELS! GOVERNMENT SUBSIDIZED SOLAR PANELS PAID FOR BY THE SOLAR PANEL INSTALLERS TAXES!

Bill handled these questions so, so much better with NAFTA.

He put on the sad, caring face. Spoke in consoling tones about the need to shift from a manufacturing economy to an information economy, and how he'd be there every step of the way to hold your hands through it.

It's all a lie, but normies ate it up.

Her base loves gun control

>Future debates will go Trump's way if the moderator/questions aren't as biased.
well, CTR, this debate went his way too, we're not worried about the rest. anyone who is undecided got a real glimpse as to who is boss enough to be prez. lester holt won't be there to moderate her meetings with putin.

Uh huh.

They flipped a coin to decide who went first. Trump, for whatever reason, decided to go second.

>i expected round one to be ordinary....Trump didn't really go for a knockout punch...i suspect he is saving that for round two.

To be fair, I do think he did go a little easy on her. He didnt even bring up that it was her that started the birth certificate shit in the first place when she ran against Obama.

He did bhtfo though when he said he'd release his taxes when she released her deleted emails

Donald had more passion, substance and poise. All Hillary do is filibuster with character attacks and rely on Lester to get soundbites in. Her stock actually lowered as I see it.

Trump wasnt perfect but he wasnt horrible either. Hillary did a big ammo burn. Trump had a few open shots he could have really stung her but he didnt shoot. There are some things hillary said ie "im so high energy try testifying for 11 hours" that were hideously dumb. Terrible smug tone from her each and every time. 6/10 debate. Its still a race.

I don't think I can handle another debate

Trump sounds like a random walk markov chain.

good points bro.
gore did btfo bush in those debates but bush had more charisma, hands down.

IIRC he tried to pin it on her campaign members saying that he only pursued it after the news reporter couldn't find it or something, then bragged about being the one who got Obama to finally show his birth certificate.

I thought that was the only time she went off-script and actually RESPONDED to him, instead of reading line. It worked well, solid burn.

THANK YOU FOR CORRECTING THE RECORD

He actually came off as knowledgeable

Trump kept saying "I agree with Clinton"; it was really nixon vs jfk all over again

Haha he won't do that again, but I imagine he was intending a strategy that didn't work.

Using gov loopholes isn't illegal. it's that alone he wants to hide. among plenty others tho

...

They are both terrible, but Trump is only slightly less evil. Most berniefags turned out just to be anti-western society and anti-Trump so they don't care about putting Hillary in office despite how much more corrupt she is than Trump.

I will do what I can and hope everyone here does the same, but I know how shitty Jew York, Commiefornia, and Spicida are. I know the games they play.

The USA will die under blue hands.

When she started talking about taxing the rich to help the poor, he could have easily spun it back to how he would tax business offshoring to help local workers.

He just blanked.

She did it all night too. Unless it was a prepared hit, both of them essentially seemed to ignore each other.

You guys need a Farage. A ruthless cunt who would tear into her.

Hillary will continue to play it safe and just recite what shes wrote before the debate.

It's safe but boring.

Trump better get his shit together. People like the maverick speaking off the cuff routine, but he can't get rattled anymore if he wants to win.

I don't think much will change, but I was overall extremely disappointed.

Hillary and Lester Holt made the entire debate about Trump.

Many missed opportunities after a strong start.

Trump lost.

Trump could have been stronger more aggressive but professional. However, I couldn't watch the whole debate due to Hillaries shrill voice and condescending attitude. I felt as if she was attacking me and Trump should have stood up more for his voters. In anycase I'm sure I wasn't the only person who couldn't stand listening to her speak and if I was on the fence that's all it would have took. I'm still telling people to get used to saying "President Trump". MAGA

I think Trump didn't try hard enough to stay on-topic. His responses weren't canned, and I can appreciate that, but he devoted more time to defending himself than actually answering the questions posed by the moderator. I don't think he answered the "what do we do about homegrown terrorists" question at all.

I think he'll do better in the next debate, because from what the media's been saying, he didn't participate in any mock debates, so he was kind of flying in blind this time.

Mainly I think he just needs to focus more on staying on-topic.

Nah.

Trump did horribly tonight. This debate may actually cost him the election. Why? Because I promise you, after tonight, more undecided voters will view Trump as racist and sexist than ever before. He completely failed to bring up obvious points to prove her wrong.

SIMPLE:

NO MORE COKE BEFORE THE DEBATE

sniff

NAFTA

NAFTA EQUALS MICHIGAN, PA, OHIO

All people care about from his debate is jobs. They don't give a fuck about Syria or dead brown people.

She kept looking down in front of her like she was trying to keep her place as she read off something.

Also, Trump wore a flag pin, she didn't.

trump supporter here. I don't think trump was prepared. he said all the right things in the wrong place. after fox reordered the debate clips everything was fine

Were you asleep for 10 minutes? He did go into that for a whole answer while on the defensive. He was just flustered and it came out half gibberish.

Both seemed dishonest and secretive.

Trump seemed unprofessional and Hillary seemed phoney.

I don't want to vote for ether of them.

She whined repeatedly with personal attacks. He barely seemed to respond beyond "no. wrong."

She had to fall back to dats raciss etc.

I was surprised because it was a reversal of what was expected.

You're an idiot, that was a colossal fuckup on her part. You don't bring up the part where you're under investigation and being grilled by congress for crimes as something good. You don't plant that in the mind of the voter.

>This one was entertaining. Easily the best pres. debate in history
Oh man my advice is to not say this outside of the privacy of the internet. There have been debates where candidates got cutthroat and personal as fuck and candidates screamed at each other, there have been debates with beautiful impassioned speeches. You sound super young and new to politics when you make sweeping statements like this. Best in history?? I mean if the history of debates started in September 2016 then yeah.

I think Trump got in all of the big shots. We've already seen how coordinated the MSM is with other stuff (every single newspaper and website came out with "Trump is a liar" op eds in the past week, not to mention the Khan stuff) so we can't yet be sure what the public thinks.

People are deluding themselves if they think either candidate went in depth. Hillary droned on with the clichés. Her first answer was the best but she went downhill.

So the consensus is.

>hillarys gonna win regardless
>vote Johnson so Libertarians get 5% for Federal funding
>Hope 2020 will be Bernie vs Kasich vs Libertarian winner
>Climate change is also real btw it's gonna kill us due to famine starting wars in 5 years tops

That is if we avoid WW3 over the phillipines Pakistan or North Korea

Thanks for Correcting the Record!

0 mentions of radical islamic terrorism
0 mentions of Hillary's muslim donors
0 mentions of immigration whatsoever

1 hour worth of whether or not Trump supported the Iraq war and if he's hiding anything in his tax returns.

He almost didn't mention none of the good stuff. Corruption, Benghazi, major fuckups, he even barely mentioned the e-mails. Why do you think that is?

He's saving it, so the normies, whose memory matches that of a goldfish, get the real stuff fed right before the elections!

And better yet, it's gonna get hotter and hotter in each next debates! That man is unbelievable!

This.
Das raycis always works with bluepilled faggot moron normies.

How? He literally said that blacks and spics are living in shitholes and these inner city kids are going to get shot because of the establishment bankrupting them.

>Trump blatantly, openly lies through his teeth
When where?

I think the general consensus is that he looked good for the first half hour or so, and then he looked pretty bad the last hour or so.

Looking back, so think he was strongest during that period because the discussion was on trade and the economy, and he took it to her on NAFTA and other deals. Once they moved on to other topics outside his normal comfort zone, he started fumbling. He looked pretty bad during the discussion on race.

I think if we hit on things he likes to talk about in the next debate like immigration and the economy, he'll do well. He needs to prepare better for topics outside his comfort zone so he can at least sound coherent. He was at her throat in the first 30 minutes because he was comfortable.

He also needs to stop going on and on about his businesses when attacked. Defending is fine, but to not be able to avoid that bait is making him look like an arrogant buffoon.

The big question is will this effect the polls at all.

I also think Hillary slightly won though I think her performance was shit as well and I can't see anyone actually being converted to her.

What do you guys think?

The voter doesn't give a fuck. They don't give a fuck about Benghazi, and they don't give a fuck about emails. When was the last time you talked to someone outside of Cred Forums? The average American isn't entirely sure what a "server" even is.

Yeah I don't know why Trump didn't just say "Yeah you sitting in a chair for 11 hours is so much more brave then the men who died in Benghazi"

UU
UU

Agreed. I honestly think it was a tie. Trump can NOT fall for the bait next debate

All I want to know is why he was sniffling and fidgeting when he knew it was a split screen debate?

Literally nothing will make me not vote for Trump.

Every moral fiber of my being is repulsed by Hillary Clinton.

I don't even stand with Trump on a bunch of policies, but I know the system of politicians fucking hates him. That's all I need.

This is my one real shot to flip my middle finger to these corrupt motherfuckers who couldn't care less about us, even if it means complete chaos.

Praise KEK. Our victory has already been won, I don't even need the election. The dissent of the nation has finally been voiced. Hillary is just a stop-gap pragmatist cop out for those who would sacrifice their ideals for safety.

me neither i think theyre both niggers

>Youre a racist
Muslim stuff from 2008
> You're a sexist
Rosie O'Donnell

How the fuck did he screw this up so badly?

Trump waffled too much on the birther thing (his timeline didn't work) and the Iraq war for/against thing.

He didn't press Hillary nearly enough on important issues and only briefly mentioned the 33,000 emails.

His disrespect of the moderator was offputting.

Hillary was far more mild mannered and her ability to laugh off accusations worked in her favour.

Hopefully Trump improves over the next two.

Trump lost the debate. He won't go down in the polls. His supporters are all in. This will be a turnout election

Trump ripped Her apart as if he was possessed by the spirit of Harambe himself

It was still reminding voters about something BAD that she did. Even if they don't know about Benghazi, she was being investigated by Congress. It was a bad move for her.

>FUCKIN CTR SHILLS
>spams links to online polls

Shit debate. Waste of time.

100% this.

Stopping every 5 fucking minutes to defend some irrelevant business venture while Hillary is leaving her throat open with her complete rambling and inability to answer the race question is beyond retarded.

>Hillary: What about those thousands of people left unhappy by your business practices Dahnald?

Should have been responded with;

>What about the tens of thousands left dead by your practices as secretary of state Hillary?

Not;

>Let me ramble for the next 3 minutes about some guy who did the glazing on some building I owned in the fucking 1980's

Too thin skinned.

Trump took the bait too much. He's gotta fix that shit and fix it now.

Trump won the first 30 minutes, he fell apart in the 2nd, then the last 3rd was 50/50, not sure who won yet.

But that 2nd half hour was fucking awful for Trump

at least to me, it makes me feel like he's not a lying fuck
everyone with half a brain knows businesses do this shit, he owns up to it and proclaims any business would do the same (they certainly do)

which is why i think its a fuckin hoot when hillary calls him out for this shit, but says NOTHING about fixing the fucked up taxation system in this country, it real fucking hard to take her seriously

Which was before she called him racist. He was a birther for Ted Cruz too. How the fuck did he not bring that up?

I didn't quite get that vibe, what are Trump and Hillary to JFK and Nixon?

>bluepilled faggot moron normies
To think that the people who actually talk like this walk among us... This phrase is going to be my Halloween costume but tragically no one will believe it's based on the true story of someone actually saying it.

I didnt see any positivity from her. just an uncanny smile and canned responses. and ranting on about sjw talking points is not really positive either.

Not an argument.

>Literally nothing will make me not vote for Trump.
This is the stupidest shit I've ever read. Dipshits like you parrot "FEELS OVER REALS" and then spout this nonsense.

That was also a huge negative for Hillary.

>Sorry. I have not prepared a statement in response to this question. Please check what my handlers have said on my website.

Dangerously close to Rubio tier. Luckily she didn't sweat.

agree with you on all of this, user. He needs to let the questions glance off, I think he got too bogged down correcting the record. Shit, m8, they talked more about some golf course than they did about Treason. This was not accidental, hillary knows this from experience. Its probably hard to pin her down when the moderator is slightly on her side like that, he seemed to just accept her answers. It was basically a 2 on 1 match with the moderator and hill vs trump.

I think Trump needs to relish the honest moments, its why people like him. He needs to speak frankly even when attacked, even be brutally honest when it stings him, compared to Hills canned talking points. People respond to real talk. He definitely needs to chill out and stop doing duckface, but not come across as smug.

I like that he came off as far more concerned about the country whereas Hill trying to look nonchalant and laugh might not have had the desired effect. Even though he was somewhat flustered, he backed up his points with language like "the country is in trouble" etc. so it actually made him appear genuine.

She thought smiling would make her appear "in control" but it actually made her look (in my opinion) like shes aloof and isnt actually concerned.

Donald needs to stay out of the weeds on the next one and try to pin her down and make her face go red. Hard to do with the mods attacking you along with your opponent. He only barely held his own, but he didnt full lose his composure. This isnt the victory Hillary probably thinks it is, because she's obsessed with being "presidential" due to the fact that shes insecure about being the first chick, Donald is not at all concerned about that. and neither are the people.

I dont think this debate would have changed many minds, anyone who hated trump will still hate trump and vice versa. we didnt see anything new here tonight

ya that was a goof. makes him look like an arrogant executive suite n tie type. doubt that appeals to the avg 4chin user (actually the average joe, you guys are mostly dumbass kids)

Trump won on economics. It was a mess for both otherwise.

But Clinton articulated herself better throughout, and definitely ran circles around Trump with debate points, not that they had much substance.

Trump spent way too much time talking about his rich people problems. In the end half the moderator kept interrupting him and saying "I'll give you 10 seconds to respond" which was bullshit. Hillary came off as more polished, which she is as a politician. Trump lost this round and needs to learn from it quickly. He did some good things but had several really bad moments

ctr is mad

Lol any ex-cokehead could tell you what the problem was:

Do a line before start.
>high energy
>sniff
>articulate
>attentive
>sniff

40min later:

>of fuck can't do another line right now
>low energy
>irritable
>start talking nonsenese

SIDNEY BLUMENTHAL SIDNEY BLUMENTHAL
ASK SEAN HANNITY HE'LL TELL YOU

only able to read one sentence huh?

fuck yourself :]

Trump will win the second debate. He's playing the long game and Shillary doesn't have the stamina for it.

- Trump went too easy on Hillary. He did not go in depth about the emails leaked AT ALL.

- Trump let Hillary get away with too much bullshit. He did a decent job of explaining his Iraq stance, but completely let Hillary walk away with the statement about him "wanting Russia to hack Americans."

- Hillary was your typical stiff, but her tactic was clear: Let Trump ramble on and talk until people think he's retarded, then just take a deep breath and go like "WOOOH, THIS GUY IS SUCH A WACKJOB, AMIRITE GUYS?! XD" Judging by the tweets, it actually worked.

- Trump did not even mention Benghazi, or Libya, or the Clinton Foundation, or anything. He did not pressure Hillary on so many major issues. He did not even bring up Flowers who he invited to sit up-front at the debate.

- Trump did not answer questions promptly. He would always ramble on about something unrelated and then just answer the question very vaguely when he was about to finish speaking. Did not make him look good.

All in all, I'd say Hillary won only because Trump was too aggressive in the wrong ways. He showed passion in bravery in his very first one on one debate ever though, and it made me respect him more. He clearly needs to practice and memorize all the dirt he has on Hillary before the final debate though. Hillary is stubborn and won't change up her strategy at all. Trump just has to avoid rambling, try and let Hillary get her bullshit out and counter it accordingly, and actually try to answer the question BEFORE getting to his other comments.

Clinton kept wearing that rehearsed smile that made her look like a cat with a cream-flavored arsehole and generally came off as a slimy reptile with tits.

Trump got off a few good soundbites but kept allowing himself to get bogged down in Hilary's muck slinging shit.

>400 lbs bed sitter meme

It almost looked like they were going to have a civil debate, but it didn't last, and we got a bunch of tired memes reminding us what a shattered anus american democracy has become.

Please remember the republican debates, where everyone keeps getting nervous and saying his performance was a disaster.

He wins debates because he proves himself time after time to be REAL and not some scripted typical politician. It doesn't matter what he says, his behavior, his reactions, his quick jabs... It's all traits of a normal human being as opposed to someone who has been working under the table for big banks the majority of their life, talking down to the public they feel entitled to rule over.

Trump won because he got the last word.

"She has experience but its bad experience."

I think this literally won him the debate just because it's memorable. It will get people to look at her record and make their own conclusions from there.

>chimping out and killing people because your idol got embarrassed on tv

fuck off, literally nigger-tier behavior

I'm a pessimist and was expecting a poor performance by Trump. It turned out about how I thought it would so I'm probably not as upset as most of you who were super hyped up for days over it. This was never going to be easy.

Trump should have:

Hit her on email. Don't let "The Cyber" come up without email being in the spotlight. Eg: "You have no business talking about cyber security considering you ran an extremely poorly secured private email server where you inappropriate hosted classified emails."

Quit being restrictive. Stop saying he's going to prevent companies from leaving and start saying you're going to incentivize them to stay.

Point out that places like Chicago are shit holes because the citizens can't fight back due to the gun laws Clinton wants to make national.

Don't let her have race. Make ALL racial problems out to be a result of democrat policy. Don't be afraid to call it the Democrat Plantation.

Don't ask her fucking questions. Asking where she got information makes him sound guilty as fuck.

Spin the Chinese comment on climate change. Own it. Make it about (((globalism))) and the antithesis of nationalism. Make nationalism Americanism and make her sound (((unamerican))) for being a (((globalist))).

When taxes come up, point out that income tax doesn't pay for roads, it doesn't pay for bridges, and it doesn't pay for schools. All it does is go toward paying the debt owned to the (((Federal Reserve))).

Holy shit
I've been saying this.
She's an autist who can't multitask or see the big picture, too

Amazing how Clinton's personal attacks ended up to calling him raciss or sexiss while he brought up actually valid criticisms about her entire tenure in politics

Clinton won in many people's eyes merely because she articulated herself better even if she was lying and bullshitting.

>Cnn

>reposting since I can't be assed rehashing the same points in slightly different words every thread

I feel like trump did poorly at selling himself and was mostly playing a defensive game. That said, I also feel that Hillary did an absolutely terrible job capitalizing on his gaffes and that her opening statements were horrendous especially the bit about forcing profit sharing. What bothered me most about the debate was Holt's apparent bias, particularly when he flat out started arguing with trump towards the end.

What trump really needed to do was push the fight to Hillary, and he missed several prime opportunities to do such, particularly during the cyber warfare section, as well as the nuclear proliferation section..

I watched the debate with most of my family who sit on both sides of the aisle and the general consensus from them was that Trump spent to much time bragging on himself and in the process missed several chinks in Hillary's armour that could have swung the debate in his favor. Meanwhile Hillary presented everything she said as fact regardless of truth and constantly insinuated trump was a liar through calling on "fact checkers".

All in all I don't think that this was a campaign ending performance for or against either side, but it was definitely sub optimal for Trump.

>eye candy to get me (you)'s

Hello there normalfriend. Summer is officially over. That means you can go back to being an apolitical faggot without a coherent worldview. Have fun worshipping your asshole. :^]

I thought Hillary seemed very insincere.

Moderator was completely biased. "Why did your businesses go bankrupt" "I heard you're a racist" "Why did you support the war" "Why do you hate women". But never asked a single negative question to Hillary and tee'd her up the whole fucking time. Also he always started with trump, then Hillary would get to rebuttle. But then NEXT question before trump had a chance to defend himself. Absolutely horrendous.

He delivered some memorable lines because they were spontaneous. She had a bunch of soundbites that sounded practiced and robotic.

also one more point, I think now that hillary has already expended her ammo ie:

>tax returns
>black tenants
>sexist

he didnt even get to throw much mud at her. he's still got a massive quiver full of shit:

>Treason/Emails
>Benghazi
>meddling in middle east/Libya
>Arming ISIS
>Clinton foundation
etc etc etc.

This may be good for Trump long term, because she basically pulled out all the stops tonight. When fresh shit keeps piling onto her over the next 2 debates the picture may become clearer for people

lol I fucking wish I was being paid but i'm here of my own free will cuccboi

What's the date on that image you post in every thread, gook?
>1 post by ths ID

Trump was a bit rash and I don't know how random people will feel about it. He did get a few zingers in there and I felt like the crowd reacted more towards him, even when they were not supposed to. A few times he probably could have stopped talking but he kept on.

Hillary was robotic and rehearsed her practiced punchlines. She did get her zingers in too but I think a lot of voters have made up their minds already.

I would rate the outcome neutral.

>honest assessment
There were so many talking points Trump did not address. He could have brought up how Chicago is a gun-free zone; he could have brought up Fast & Furious; he could have brought up Benghazi, especially when discussing her stamina. He let so much go by.

And what the heck was he rambling on about Sydney Blumenthal, etc.? Unless you know the story, the way he talked made NO SENSE!! Why could he not just come out and say it, right to the point - Hillary, you and your team started the Birther issue in your 2008 campaign against Soetoro-Obama.

Finally, when she brought up his supposed racism from 1973, why didn't he bring up her being fired for lying in the Richard Nixon hearings in 1974 "because she was a liar,” Zeifman said in an interview last week. “She was an unethical, dishonest lawyer. She conspired to violate the Constitution, the rules of the House, the rules of the committee and the rules of confidentiality.” Or when she freed the child rapist in 1975. I mean, if she is going to go back that far in Trump's history, that makes her history fair game.

I see a lot of support for Trump in Florida -- not even Marco Rubio won Florida, and it's his home state -- it's just those damned bluepilled (redpills are probably rigged as well, I sure as hell don't trust my local politicians) cities. I see a lot of Trump support up North too.

no u :^)

He absolutely could have saved it if he answered the last question, "Will you support the will of the people if you are not elected president", with, "Sure, as long as she doesn't cheat like she did with Bernie Sanders".
I was literally screaming at my tv screen for him to say that.

>You have no business talking about cyber security considering you ran an extremely poorly secured private email server where you inappropriate hosted classified emails
I was thinking that as soon as they brought up the cyber security question. How could have not brought up her fucking e-mails?

>I don't believe they really care about economics or what is factually successful
Surely someone as concerned with the facts as you are could point me to the surfeit of academic material that would endorse Trump's trickle-down scheme, right? Virtually all work I've seen on the subject denounces it for being ineffective, though, so I'm skeptical.

I can't believe how badly Trump choked on the cyber terrorism part.

>muh son is gud at cumpooters
>doesn't clearly point out Hillary helped arm ISIS and made them what they are today
>nothing about her leaking national secrets

What the fuck?

I could have easily destroyed hillary in the debate. especially if i had weeks to prepare and money to hire anyone to help prep

someone as belligerent and hard headed as trump was needed to kick the system, but its just maddening to not see someone destroyed when there is literally mountains of evidence

Unfortunately this is the correct answer.

I thought Trump was on the defensive more than Hillary, which surprised everyone.

He came off as dominant

But he said some retarded shit too, like "take the guns".

For a few minutes I thought he might be taking a dive.

Objectively, yeah, it would be. But for some reason, people respond when you "own" something.

"Yeah, I got through this ordeal, I'm strong" It works.

If Trump had fired back "If you only knew how to manage a goddamned email account, you could have saved 200 government employees those 11 hours your incompetence stole from them"

Without a solid response from him, it helped her

I think Trump really wanted to paint her as a do nothing politician and it worked very well. The Iraq war bit went on far too long.

Clinton sounded like she practiced with Lester all week. Trying to shame someone for using tax loopholes to avoid giving greedy politicians more money won't work. Most people would want to high five the man for doing that.

>I expensed 4 Porsche 944s in my last business and got a tax refund at the end of the year.
wow 4 whole 3000usd cars?

>MY TEN YEAR OLD SON IS SO GOOD AT COMPUTERS!!!!

step it up Donald

That's because EVERYTHING she did, from her talking points, to body language, to little comments here and there was 100% prefabricated. The forced smile was a big giveaway as well. It's clear she's been doing mock debates for the last week with questions that she obviously knew beforehand..

>you're
This is why you pay taxes.

>started out strong
He literally started out blaming and avoiding the actual question. That does not make you strong at all.

He was better in the first hour. He rambled a little in the second. But what he said had more substance than what she said. She did a lot of pussyfooting.

Over all no one will change their vote because of it.

She was so doped up I bet she sleeps for 48 hours.

>slimy reptile with tits
This the first thing I read when I was skimming posts and automatically assumed you meant Trump.

It was Trump's debate to win and he fucking blew it.

Problem was...EVERY question was against Trump or meant to put Trump on defense.

Not one question against Hillary or to put her on defense.

Such fucking bias by Lester Holt.

Look we all knew this was going to be rigged as hell. That's just the situation we're in. All we can do is hope Trump beats it.

"Loop holes" that politicians created for themselves and businessmen take advantage of every day. Trump made the point that the world Hillary and Obama created was due to the fucking political class not knowing what the fuck its doing.

trump seemed a bit sick
hillary looks weird as usual
moderator sucked

...

>he did ok for how people were expecting him to be
He was kind-of in a lose-lose situation, though. If he was any harder on Hillary, they would be screaming sexism and he is a bully. He goes too soft, and he looks like he is lame. I hope the next debate he hits her hard but stands firm and does not go off the handle like he did tonight. He did not look very Presidential, he looked a bit childish, which is bothersome to me. He is still my candidate, hands down, but he really needs to work on his presentation.

All Hillary did was lie and act smug and condescending.

Undecideds watching that are either still undecided or Hillary supporters. Anyone else is still the same as before they began watching. Overall a net loss for Trump.

And hillary gets millions in tax free foreign money in her foundation.

Rich people are above the law. It's how they use that status that matters (like whether they commit political assassinations).

Trump is clearly unseasoned in debate, but I think he had honesty working for him. I think Trump was forced into a position of defense and deflection which probably rattled his cage. Trump isn't a politician, so it's unrealistic to expect him to debate like one.

Hillary had some interesting points but was spoonfed easy topics to discuss. She focused too much on demonizing Trump and drew first blood in debate attack and I think she got away with it because her topics were gilded for her.

All in all, I favor Trump's results. I think this was a prep-match for him. He could have brought up Benghazi or harped a bit harder on the emails during the cyberspace security topic, but I think he's holding off on nailing the hard hitting topics until a time when they matter most and have a greater impact. I think he doesn't want to blow his load too early.

The difference between 2012 and 2016 is that Obama got his shit together, while Trump is simply an awful debater. If he drops in the polls, I think only an October surprise can save him.

How is the birther thing even racist? I don't get it.

Most honest feel is that too many Shills are on Cred Forums tonight
The whole way through the debate it was all shilling and there's about a thousand shill threads that have been created since it ended
Make some fucking debate memes already or something, this is the most boring post debate Cred Forums scene ever.

This.

I noticed Lester asking more questions to hillary as a first response and then later saying "you get this short time to respond".

He was on the defensive for some of the latter parts. She was on the defensive for some of the middle and beginning parts. This is constructive criticism he needed to be less on defensive(although it is hard when the moderators, chimed in parts of the audience, and the opposition is against you) and she needed to sound less like a rehearsed robot. I mean fuck a robot would have done a better job at rehearsing script answers as she did. Unfortunately, most normal americans will see this as genuine and not something a committee came up with. I would say as someone who is a trump supporter that both need to work on their debate skills but I worry that all the mainstream media will worry about is few sample bites from trump and not the few sample bites from hillary fucking up(like the nafta argument). Next two debates will be top tier compared to this one. This was not very well focused by either candidate.

I think both missed chances to show why they excel. This reminded me of the primary debates where all the others lost because they talked about Trump, but Trump talked about policy.

That being said, I think it's bullshit how Clinton made up shit, and how the moderator tried to pinhole Trump without bringing up any Clinton issues

He should have SLAMMED her on her Solar Panel Pyramid Scheme economy.

Trump couldn't deal with a 1v1 debate. In the GOP Primary debates nobody could focus on attacking him, and he just picked off people at will. He can't handle it when an opponent can just attack him continuously, he got visibly flustered and angry and mired himself rambling on and on about business shit from decades ago.

It was kind of even but Trump won. Hillary seemed robotic at times and kept droning.

How the hell did Candy Crowley get abuse for correcting Romney once but this guy is allowed to challenge Trump more than Clinton did?

There's too much negativity on here at what he didn't say. Yes he didn't mention the foundation or Benghazi or her emails more than once or pay to be ambassador... but he still mentioned the vacuum for Isis, her being a typical politician, the Iran deal, he mentioned the emails as a rebuttal, Bernie being screwed, super predators, he brought up the rust belt states by name, he talked about unfair trade and gave an example. What more could we ask for? His cybersecurity answer was a choke but the rest wasn't bad.

Should use that word often to get people looking for it.

I unironically think that Trump destroyed her. Yes, Trump had the sniffles, big fucking deal. He was hammering her all night.

>even when he didn't have a reason to be smug.

When you have a daughter as beautiful as his, you always have a reason to be smug.

This is America. Everything is racist.

even a fence sitter like rubin thinks Trump has won

it was not a tie he fucking lost grow up you stupid drumpf cuck

saw this shoop coming from a mile away

it was originally "Peop" from the word "People"

get corrected nigguh

>"Will you support the will of the people if you are not elected president", with, "Sure, as long as she doesn't cheat like she did with Bernie Sanders".
Wow. That would have been such an awesome, perfect response. You are right, he was extremely lame in his answer, he seemed to not care almost. Wow. I wish he had said what you wrote.

(((Globalists))) BTFO

Jews on suicide watch. Feels good man.

Trump narrowly won.

He needs more nuance.

Because he's black. Nobody accused Kennedy of being born in Ireland, etc.

It's pretty weak, but that's what the dems have done for the last 20 years; yell racist and see who it sticks to. God knows the GOP hasn't really done anything to fight that reputation.

>He was just flustered and it came out half gibberish

Perhaps you're just an autist that struggles to interpret normal dialogue.

I was on here at the start of the debate. It was literally like a switch was pulled and the board was flooded with shills. I'm not exaggerating when I say flooded.

I honestly think he lost, and am deeply worried that he won't be able to bounce back from this in time for the election.

Agreed, I thought it was going to be a slaughter based on the intro, but he got off into the weeds and never quite came back. He missed a couple easy grand slams, though they were so easy I'm wondering if there wasn't a reason. When she started talking about cyber security I though he was going to run her through, but he didn't.

Hillary did better than I expected, but I am not going to say she did well. Most of what she said was either a half truth or an outright lie (so business as usual) and the emotion depicted on her face never matched what would be appropriate (again, business as usual).

I'm ready for round two already.

>There were so many talking points Trump did not address. He could have brought up how Chicago is a gun-free zone; he could have brought up Fast & Furious; he could have brought up Benghazi, especially when discussing her stamina. He let so much go by.

It's very likely he did it because of Hillary's "fact checkers" who are also very likely using horseshit "sources" -- which indeed have many shit statistics on gun related things, if you actually look into them and compare them to other sources -- for their information. The less people who look at her lies, the better (since they're normies and don't have time to go into the details). I'm going to check her "facts" tomorrow (ideally), hopefully nothing gets deleted by then.

whole off Cred Forums started lagging.

Where was the discussion on what they are actually going to do?

>cut taxes
>stop and frisk

Name other policies actually mentioned in the debate because other than those all I remember was U RACIST, OH YEAH WELL YOU ARE USELESS, YOU DIDN'T PAY TAX, YOU LEAKED EMAILS, YOU SUPPORT THE WAR, NO I DIDN'T

>The big question is will this effect the polls at all.

It will affect the rigging of the polls.

Dude, he came across as a human being, someone I can relate to. I certainly cannot relate to HRC's robotic repeating of her lines with her fake smile throughout the entire debates. Come on.

yeah, even his "good" moment when he said he would release his taxes if Hillary could un-destroy evidence that has already been destroyed was a blatant cop out because of course that was impossible. He was running with a pathetic attempt to cover his ass by deflecting back to the emails. He really just needs to release his damn taxes already. He all but admitted that he doesn't pay any income taxes already because he's called it smart instead of denying it, so what does he have left to hide?

Soros already confirmed that Hillary will get the job.

Burger Media will go overdrive with "we defeated racism" and Hillary will pull a Merkel for the gloablists flooding burgerland with muslims on top of spics.

Cred Forums has gotten as emotional as the left with this election ignoring facts

>Believing in left-right politics isn't the height normalfag
I really can't wait for the election to end so Trumptards leave

JFK's dad was American. Obama's dad was Kenyan. It's not racist to assume that maybe he could have been born in Kenya. It's logical.

>She appealed to the Bernie crowd
Yeah, until Trump mentioned that whole DNC-Bernie controversy. Trump was taking away steam from Hillary's talking points all night.

I'm a huge Ron and rand guy but obviously trump is the one we have to root for. So an outside looking in, he did ok. He started off with tremendous momentum and was surprising the hell out of me. It's obvious he knows all about trading and economics. But then it came to muh feels and muh African Americans. He missed many opportunities to destroy Hillary. Such as the former kkk wizard or whatever giving his praises to her and having a friendly relationship and really pressed the issue that it's democratic controlled cities that are fucking up the inner cities where most racial tension resides.

Then he randomly brought up the fact that Hillary used the term super predators to describe younger black men. On top of that he never pressed for her to acknowledge the fact she said that. He appeared to be walking in very swampy fields through that segment and it absorbed all of his momentum up like a sponge.

I hope he learns a lot from this debate because he kept running into trap after trap. He could've absolutely refuted her points to talk about his sexism by stating the fact that he has a wife and daughter who he would go to hell and back for. And also prop up his successful wife who does well in a profession that is dominated by women.

I wouldn't say he absolutely blew it, but he did nothing to help his cause. He can obviously dominate the room he resides and demand to be recognized but didn't push his weight around.

Just imagine if Ron or rand debated her. She would've gone into shock

Can you guys remember a single thing Hillary said except attacking Trump? She was on autopilot and is still trying to coast to a win.

>"as long as she doesn't cheat like she did with Bernie Sanders"
>That would have been such an awesome, perfect response
So are you excited for your thirteenth birthday, user?

Yes. And everyone needs to stop responding to them. Let their threads drop off.

They get paid the more responses they get.

it's not, but if you refer to him as oonga boonga in the same sentence the libtard media paints the whole thing with a broad brush

Obama's not 'black' in the normal sense. Black in America means your ancestors were slaves. Obama's dad was a Kenyan student. And face it - Obama doesn't seem to give a fuck about America. He's a globalist.

Anyone operating at that level gets audited that much, and that still doesn't change paying zero. Milking every exception and detail you can to end up with zero tax isn't illegal, but it's pretty unethical when you see how it is done.

But the same controversy occurred for both McCain and Cruz. Nobody really considered those instances absurd. They just went away when the candidates lost.

Yeah, I couldn't even post in the debate thread it was so laggy, and like I said, looking at the catalog its a massive shitshow of Hillary shills and "well, I was with Trump, but after this debate I'm now a #ShillForHill"

Well, we're going to have a lot more people posting on pol who otherwise wouldn't when it's debate night.

So almost every board floods pol to talk about it.

It's like when a blockbuster comes out and tv gets flooded with plebs.

Neither.

JFK vs Nixon was a case of Nixon being right on paper, but being out charisma'd by JFK.

Neither party tonight looked like anything other than shit.

Neither of them seemed like genuinely good, legitimate leaders.

Trump needed to perform like Farage. Hillary needed to perform like Bill. Neither could do it.

Since I'll be called a shill, disclaimer: I'm not voting for Hillary.

>That's because EVERYTHING she did, from her talking points, to body language, to little comments here and there was 100% prefabricated. The forced smile was a big giveaway as well. It's clear she's been doing mock debates for the last week with questions that she obviously knew beforehand..
Are you implying that preparedness is an undesirable trait in a president?

>Trying to shame someone for using tax loopholes to avoid giving greedy politicians more money won't work. Most people would want to high five the man for doing that.
Politicians' salaries do not apportion themselves to the amount of tax dollars raised; if there were more tax dollars collected, they wouldn't go into their pockets unless they passed a bill to do so. So that angle is stupid, since tax dollars often go towards public programs that benefit the majority of the public. Only Trump is benefitting by being too greedy to contribute to the public good -- why should I praise him for avoiding the civic duty I am beholden to? Just because I (theoretically) don't want to pay taxes doesn't mean I should be happy that a much wealthier person than me is avoiding that burden, especially when he is financially better equipped to shoulder it.

Yeah, the live threads weren't even worth wasting bandwidth over.

His mom was a white woman from Kansas
Why would she go to kenya?

The moment people laughed when she went

>well alright then

Was a bad, bad sign

I don't think it was a good outcome for Trump here. Sound bite farming is going to be a painful experience.

>Are you implying that preparedness is an undesirable trait in a president
it is if you sound like a robot

>"well, I was with Trump, but after this debate I'm now a #ShillForHill"
I've been seeing a lot of "dropped the ball". I think that's one of their shill points.

This^
Clearly a 40 y/o who hasn't met any teens recently. Too much Fox..yet you have more in common with Shillary.

Lester Holt shilled for HIll.

>Why would she go to kenya?
Sex Tourism?

can't take it faggot? better quit now
chaching! .05 in my account nigger

Because she was a coal-burning hippie marxist cunt. Why would she fuck a Kenyan to begin with?