Why are we against government funded healthcare and education?

Why are we against government funded healthcare and education?

Cool thread OP sama

i like seeing jews on Cred Forums

'Cause y'all are dumb as rocks.

government funded healthcare is prone to being shitty because no competition
government education is prone to propaganda, but could work if very decentralized

what is the implication behind a "20th century schools design & function" pillar existing and being broken?

is he saying that newer teaching methods from the late 20th century were holding up traditional schooling but were somehow compromised? or is this a commentary on the shift towards public schooling and modern education techniques that largely came about in the late 19th, early 20th century? Or that either of those were fundamentally broken?

we're not ,government funded healthcare and education is what separe us first world countries from nignog shitholes

Because the government wants to educate children to think there is no higher morality than service to the government and won't pay for the use of Novocain during dental surgery because it's "frivolous and unnecessary"

Costs are already outrageous with this farce of "competition" we have (thanks, FDA). You have given enemy funded healthcare and costs will just rise even more, just the average person won't see it until taxes rise or death panels come about. If we had some transparency in health costs and something resembling competition in medical and pharmaceutical, we would have lower expenses.

>government funded healthcare is prone to being shitty because no competition

Privatized healthcare has no competition either.

You pay for insurance year after year and hope they will pay back when you actually need it.
Also good luck driving around with a broken leg finding the cheapest hospital.

I'm not. We have medical assistance for poor people in this country. Checkups, dental exams, and cheaper surgeries/x-rays are covered. Europeans don't seem to think that is enough, because we aren't willing to blow hundreds of thousands on one individual.
As for public education, it doesn't need to be eradicated. It needs to be reformed. The teacher union is one of the most morally bankrupt and damaging union in our country's history. These people hold the school year hostage on a regular basis, until their demands are met.They're fascists for mediocrity, who have guaranteed that we will never actually be able to fire teachers who are terrible at their jobs.

>government funded - government run

no

Education and healthcare are primarily socialist trends. Republicans hate them on principle. They also tend to fly under the radar so many politicians cut funding so they can give their voters a tax break.

More that the circumstances have changed. Rote memorization is pointless once you can look up everything online. There's simply more stuff to learn. Corporal punishment is also banned so discipline is harder to instill.

The growing cost of education is 100% due to self important liberal elitists pocketing an ever growing piece of the pie for themselves.

The delivery of information has never been cheaper. The physical materials have never been cheaper. The executive salaries and golden goose pensions in the education industry have never been more expensive.

>liberal elitists
you mispelled jews.

because the government can't do anything right.

they can't even run a single office properly without fucking up and wasting all the money on nothing

It's slow and inefficient.

Medical needs vary, and as pointed out, there is no competition in medicine, not while you are willing to pay a deductible and then everything else is covered. If government heads it off, sure prices stabilize, but medical care becomes a function of "what can be paid for at this time". It would be farcical to expect out of pocket expenses for inclusive government care.

As for schools, same thing. Schools vary district by district. In a federal (and even state systems), streamlining occurs by reducing classes to specific needs (ie. every kid get the college prep track). The kids that falter or do not go to college waste time and money. The ones that drop out are even worse. You end up with unskilled labor and debt (our problem now). You can't provide a cornucopia of classes and education for such a varied populace.

>It's slow and inefficient.
You have the most expensive health care in the world. Even above Norway.

OY VEY. THE GOYIM NEED BETTER (((ACCOUNTANTS))).

They don't have to run it, just pay for it instead of (((((insurance companies)))))

name one office that's doing its job properly
everyone had high hopes for obama and he messed it up.
almost every leader nowdays suck dick, only leader that knows whats up is duberte

Nope, wrong. Once you're dependent on someone giving you money, they own you. All title IX needed to wipe out the higher education system was the threat of pulling public funding.

Our current private system has serious problems, but ObongoCare simply raised costs without addressing any of them.

you know what, i'm all for it in an all white society

Because Government programmes almost universally exist by:

Hamstringing the free market (quota on the number of doctors allowed to be trained per year, raise the price of healthcare ridiculously, add layer upon layer of shitty fucking regulation and bureaucracy to increase prices further)
Tell the public that the """"free market"""" is bad by pointing at the abomination that they've created
Patch up over the top of it with some shitty "universal x provision"
It sucks but at least it's not as bad as the """ """"free"""" ""market"" """"
repeat until government has infinite power

government education is retarded
primary and secondary education are nothing more than trivia dispensers and far more can be done by sitting on your ass at home and looking up things online
home schooling produces better academics than public schools
it's all fucking retarded

I'm not

the government doesn't FUND anything, retard. taxpayers do

>primary and secondary education are nothing more than trivia dispensers and far more can be done by sitting on your ass at home and looking up things online
>home schooling produces better academics than public schools

this
people are way too focused on formal education nowadays, according to most liberals if you don't have a degree in something you've never actually learned a thing about it.

i'm really into piano and once i had a liberal watch me play then ask me where i went to school. i asked him what he meant, and he said i 'obviously went to some school somewhere to learn how to do that'. the poor fuck thought i had to get a university degree in piano or some shit to play.

if you like something, read about it. a lot. then practice if you need to, eventually you'll become great. does it really matter if you don't have a degree if you perform at the level of experts anyway?

See "no competition in medicine".

Prices aren't regulated as the general population with insurance merely fronts a copay. Everything else is contracted between the "infinite money" insurance company and the practice. Insurance companies just front the costs to the premiums and everyone's prices go up.

If America had a "pay-first get reimbursed" system, people would start to question the price, the necessity and start asking around. The problem is a physical + lab work would costs $500+ and many wouldn't be able to front that. If insurance companies were not for profit, we may see similar results by squeezing their revenue margins

to add to this, the PRIMARY incentive for a government educational system is to make its pupils cease to question the benevolence, utility and necessity of government authority. it's not to educate, it's not to enlighten and it's most definitely not to instil virtue. it will always do this because government always seeks to expand.

Funny how ever since World War 2, it doesn't matter what you're debating... it always boils down to (((money)))

The "No Competition" argument falls apart when you realize that some people aren't getting treatment at all. The market is undersaturated and potential clients are left on the table because they simply aren't lucretive enough.

Because Obama care is a strictly voluntary program it sets a standard for health coverage that insurance companies need to beat to be fiscally sound. If anything, that improves competition by adding another player.

We'll know it's gone too far if all the healthcare companies fold.

the solution to an over-regulated market with high entry barriers is not to add another layer of bureaucracy

That's arguably true since the invention of money.
Even religious wars like the crusades had economic roots.

Except it's not another layer of bureaucracy, it's an alternative to private healthcare.

roll

>government protection
What did he mean by this?

>force insurers to do x, y, z and attempt to regulate and oversee this behaviour
>not bureaucracy

anyway, even if it were what you say it is, it's a far worse solution than un-fucking the market itself, and will by no means reduce the misallocation of resources in the sector

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>Why are WE against

Wew lad

The main issue with healthcare expenditure in the US is that boomers don't want to die so they are paying their whole savings to cheat death instead of just giving it to their children.