The Frankfurt School "Cultural Marxists" objected to the dangers of a money-controlled 'Culture Industry' and worried it was used to manipulate humanity.
With the British Cultural Marxists complaining about the massification of culture and how it took away from the possibility of a genuine culture "of the people" (rather than of money).
Accordingly the British Cultural Marxists were against censorship; with Richard Hoggart and Raymond Williams of The Birmingham School standing up against censorship at The Lady Chatterley trial. A censorship trial which is thought to have made Britain in the 1960s into a more permissive society.
>>In our age the objective social tendency is incarnate in the hidden subjective purposes of company directors, the foremost among whom are in the most powerful sectors of industry – steel, petroleum, electricity, and chemicals. Culture monopolies are weak and dependent in comparison. They cannot afford to neglect their appeasement of the real holders of power if their sphere of activity in mass society (a sphere producing a specific type of commodity which anyhow is still too closely bound up with easy-going liberalism and Jewish intellectuals) is not to undergo a series of purges. The dependence of the most powerful broadcasting company on the electrical industry, or of the motion picture industry on the banks, is characteristic of the whole sphere, whose individual branches are themselves economically interwoven. All are in such close contact that the extreme concentration of mental forces allows demarcation lines between different firms and technical branches to be ignored. -Theodore W. Adorno
Benjamin Davis
"Under monopoly all mass culture is identical, and the lines of its artificial framework begin to show through. The people at the top are no longer so interested in concealing monopoly: as its violence becomes more open, so its power grows. Movies and radio need no longer pretend to be art. The truth that they are just business is made into an ideology in order to justify the rubbish they deliberately produce. They call themselves industries; and when their directors’ incomes are published, any doubt about the social utility of the finished products is removed."
"Those who spent their money in the nineteenth or the early twentieth century to see a play or to go to a concert respected the performance as much as the money they spent."
Brayden Cooper
eat shit,kike
Alexander Cook
"As is well known, the major reorganisation of the film industry shortly before World War I, the material prerequisite of its expansion, was precisely its deliberate acceptance of the public’s needs as recorded at the box-office – a procedure which was hardly thought necessary in the pioneering days of the screen." "This raises the question whether the culture industry fulfils the function of diverting minds which it boasts about so loudly. If most of the radio stations and movie theatres were closed down, the consumers would probably not lose so very much. To walk from the street into the movie theatre is no longer to enter a world of dream; as soon as the very existence of these institutions no longer made it obligatory to use them, there would be no great urge to do so. Such closures would not be reactionary machine wrecking. The disappointment would be felt not so much by the enthusiasts as by the slow-witted, who are the ones who suffer for everything anyhow. In spite of the films which are intended to complete her integration, the housewife finds in the darkness of the movie theatre a place of refuge where she can sit for a few hours with nobody watching, just as she used to look out of the window when there were still homes and rest in the evening. The unemployed in the great cities find coolness in summer and warmth in winter in these temperature-controlled locations. Otherwise, despite its size, this bloated pleasure apparatus adds no dignity to man’s lives. The idea of “fully exploiting” available technical resources and the facilities for aesthetic mass consumption is part of the economic system which refuses to exploit resources to abolish hunger."
-Theodore W. Adorno (based Theo)
Colton Cox
Yeah they want to replace that culture with trannies and Islam. Hitler was right, socialist white-ethno state was the only way, he had to lose.
Camden Torres
Clearly you didn't read the green text.
Alexander King
>Frankfurt School thread OUT OUT OUT
Nathan Gutierrez
That "Cultural Marxism" is attempting to support Corporate Globalism is JUST ABOUT the stupidest argument I've seen. Clearly you still don't know what the term "MASSIFICATION" means; that was something they were objecting to.
Oh well; see you again tomorrow; and every day until you get it.
Evan Miller
Yep; The Frankfurt School praised reason; but also understood that everyone gets kind of brain washed by culture - so were looking for a kind of reason that could get around cultural indoctrination. A kind of reason that could eclipse culture.
Daniel Garcia
Okay okay okay okay; I'll be lazy for you and past the section about Massification:
>Hoggart's argument is that "the mass publicists" were made "more insistently, effectively and in a more comprehensive and centralised form today than they were earlier" and "that we are moving towards the creation of a mass culture, that the remnants of what was at least in part an urban culture 'of the people' are being destroyed".
Now you have to remember this is 1957 in the UK; so he's not talking about hip hop; he's talking about the LOSS of small community cultures.
He also talks about "the drift" saying:
>In his study Hoggart looks at pulp fiction, popular magazines and newspapers and the movies and finds in all of these, "drift". He documents the break-up of the old, class culture, lamenting the loss of the close-knit communities and their replacement by the emerging manufactured mass culture. Key features of this are the tabloid newspapers, advertising, and the triumph of Hollywood. These "alien" phenomena have colonized local communities and robbed them of their distinctive features. Hoggart's attack is not on popular culture; rather it is on mass culture which is imposed from above. "Popular culture" being self-created has a fundamental integrity and evolves according to its own laws and dictates, not as a result of the mass media.
Jason Phillips
>u don't understand my made up leftist buzzword ergo I win hahaha Eat shit and die, all these stupid commies push the same stupid lines. In order for everyone to be equal, someone has to hold all the power to delegate it "equally". True equality will never happen, go buy some ciggies with ur centrelink you poof.
Elijah Morgan
You're really going to try and push this here?
I mean, you're 100%, but you think the half-wits that post here will understand wertkritik, for example?
Zachary Barnes
You're illiterate. This rare pepe will help you read.
Asher Hughes
Maybe once the understand these guys were also war heros:
>Hoggart and Williams both served in World War II. Hoggart as an anti-aircraft gunner in North Africa and Italy.[48] Raymond Williams joined the war effort even though it was against the British Communist party line of which he had been a member. He rose to the rank of an officer in the Anti-Tank Regiment of the Guards Armoured Division, and was deployed as part of the 'D-Day' Invasion of Normandy. Going on to command a unit of four tanks at Bocage and fight across the European front, ultimately aiding in the liberation of the Stalag X-B Prisoner-of-war camp near Sandbostel in north-western Germany.
Levi Wright
OP, why bother?
The only things for millenial Marxists here is to shitpost. If you're committed to Cred Forums as your meme platform, you at least have a one in five chance of having a decent back-and-forth on /lit/. But reasoning with Cred Forums is de facto impossible. It's retrograde indentitarian ideology that postures as "woke," so the more convincing your argument, the stronger these teenagers cling to the ideology, since the validity of your points is only a measure of how nefarious they are. It can only ever be a stronger dose of a "blue pill," so to speak. (For instance, try telling them the red pill/blue pill dichotomy they're so fond of using is actually the creative invention of Transgender sisters - the cognitive dissonance it takes to avoid reality is startling.)
Here's a meme for your collection for trying, though.
Levi Bell
Aww man these fucking JEWS, won't give it a rest. The stupid Frankfurt school moved to the glorious USA, it's alive and well and it's the culprit of many of the nefast influence in actual society such as pol correctness, feminism and such. It is deemed to be equal to society CANCER. Jews parasites must be eliminated
Nathaniel White
>being a Marxist >current year
Yeah nah fuck off you faggot cunt.
>InThe Culture of Critique,the third book in the trilogy,MacDonald addresses the Frankfurt School. Relying mostly on primary sources from its leaders and on secondary sources usually from Jewish scholars, MacDonald marshals a wealth of evidence to conclude that its methodology and approach was purposefully unscientific and driven by morals. Its vaunted “Critical Theory” aimed at transforming society according to moral principles. “From the beginning there was a rejection of value-free social science research ([dismissively termed] ‘the fetishism of facts’) in favor of the fundamental priority of a moral perspective in which present societies, including capitalist, fascist, and eventually Stalinist societies, were to be transformed into utopias of cultural pluralism (157).”
You realize Marx's theory, in his mature works, is a theory of freedom, not equality right? Check page 956 in Capital Volume III in the Penguin Edition, if you doubt me.
Excerpt: "Freedom in this field can only consist in socialised man, the associated producers, rationally regulating their interchange with Nature, bringing it under their common control, instead of being ruled by it as by the blind forces of Nature; and achieving this with the least expenditure of energy and under conditions most favorable to, and worthy of, their human nature. But it nonetheless still remains a realm of necessity. Beyond it begins that development of human energy which is an end in itself, the true realm of freedom, which, however, can blossom forth only with this realm of necessity as its basis. The shortening of the working-day is its basic prerequisite."
The creation (due to factory scheduling), organization (organization of days into work and "free" time), and social domination (you help produce a society beyond your control) of time is the chief target of Marx's critique.
Jaxon Price
You have helped the meme economy; I will exchange this for pepe dollars as soon as possible.
Gotta-catch-them-all
Jaxson Brown
new at 11 the government is still using >divide and conquer to control the populations
Luke Taylor
It's alive and well; and arguing against feminism:
What's sad is you actually believe these secondary sources.
They had a single social system as the target of their critique (in the Hegelian sense: elaboration of the historical conditions of possibility), was the Fordist organizational form of capitalism.
They weren't morally opposed to the new society, they were illuminated the historical changes necessary to grow Fordism. Many of which focused on changes to the individual, including the increasingly self-directed organization of one's day toward greater efficiency. Their concern isn't over a more efficient society, it's over one that crushes the individual so totally they are little more than societal waste if they are not efficient enough.
Noah Ward
Kevin Macdonald confuses race with culture; they're two different things.
Culture is all I care about; IDGAF about Kev.
Luke Howard
>economics drives culture meme
Kek
Bentley Robinson
Leftism changes with the time in an ever-going push to destroy order. A hundred years ago the small community could have been an ally - now it's a liability. Big capitalists were the enemy - now they are greatest allly.
Who cares what they wrote back then? We are being threatened by the new left right now.
And if the old left had known how to protect itself from this neoliberal cancer, it wouldn't have gotten cannibalized - so it's pretty much useless to study it.
Daniel Walker
>all these no sources
Nice try, m8.
>moves goalposts
Nice try, m8.
Parker Diaz
Mighty fine work there boys.
Can you believe the idiots here don't know that Western 60's Maoists gave us the "SJW Left" nightmare we are living through?
Jaxon Myers
I'm a democratic socialist; so Marxists (especially revolutionary Marxists) tend to hate me.
Nonsense. Jewish "culture" is all about their race. Tribalism is the merging of race and culture, that's why it's a tribe and not a race or a culture.
Benjamin Jackson
>democratic socialist >not National Socialist
Top cuck.
Charles James
You mean like this from the introduction to the Dialectic of Enlightenment:
"The aporia which faced us in our work thus proved to be the first matter we had to investigate: the self-destruction of enlightenment. We have no doubt—and herein lies our petitio principii—that freedom in society is inseparable from enlightenment thinking."
What's that? They don't hate reason? They aren't on a "moral" crusade?
>Arguing with a 'roo on the Internet
What was I thinking?
Julian Miller
Ok "real leftists." Explain to me why Tim WIse hates white people so much.
Nolan Davis
Actually the old left is WHY the new left went radical;
Here are the old left making REALLY GOOD arguments against Identity politics in:
I like you, friend, even if you are a dirty demsoc. Have some more rare memes.
Jose Peterson
And we're still here to fight you:
>Hoggart and Williams both served in World War II. Hoggart as an anti-aircraft gunner in North Africa and Italy.[48] Raymond Williams joined the war effort even though it was against the British Communist party line of which he had been a member. He rose to the rank of an officer in the Anti-Tank Regiment of the Guards Armoured Division, and was deployed as part of the 'D-Day' Invasion of Normandy. Going on to command a unit of four tanks at Bocage and fight across the European front, ultimately aiding in the liberation of the Stalag X-B Prisoner-of-war camp near Sandbostel in north-western Germany.
Logan Walker
So you haven't figured out organizational forms of capitalism are generally what produces the most profit in a given historical moment, not what you "feel" like "struggling" for so that you can fit in to social circles where there is the most threadbare chance you might get laid?
Tyler Bailey
>marxist shill thread
Fucking nope. Sage.
Grayson Green
Small collections of people who misconceive the world or can be tricked into seeing it a certain way will always exist. It's good and bad; and is why politics and culture can evolve. It's why freedom of thought and speech and academic freedom are good things.
He has to explain himself using those things.
Dylan Hall
>falling for the enlightenment meme
Fucking libcucks are such hopeless idealists.
>fight you >happily a traitor guize
>pic related
Elijah Thomas
Fuck you fucking Marxist, Buchanon was right and will continue to be right until we are worthy of proving the man wrong.
Nolan Scott
Literally none of that shit matters desu.
Josiah Hall
My God 'roo, did they really do this bad of a job during your Aussie Shitposting 101 class?
The original topic was that awful second hand reading you took as gospel.
>changing the goal posts, a disturbing 'roo trait
Nathaniel Reed
I'm more concerned with continuing my own happiness; and living well with myself and all that comes along as part of that.
David Powell
We've always been lurking your safespace. Usually we bait you with neoliberal talking points and pictures of Hillary Clinton.
But sometimes, we reveal ourselves.
Hunter Morris
Reminder than this Strayan Jew cunt is trying to trick you.
Left wing cunts --> immigration and societal breakdown
End of discussion.
Bentley Myers
What next, you going to start quoting from Bahamas?
>talk dirty to me comrade
James Ramirez
>I don't like your source
Too bad cunt, I don't see any of your sources refuting mine.
Stay /salty/
David Smith
This meme is gonna help me sleep tonight. Thanks Roobugger.
Eli Lee
Exactly, but then be honest about that.
You're presenting your comment as one about the society you'd like to live in, but you've missed your own Freudian slip.
On the individual level this:
>I'm more concerned with continuing my own >happiness; and living well with myself and all >that comes along as part of that.
Really means, "I know on some level what I'm doing is fruitless but I need to do it for my own mental health."
Not a problem m8 but capitalism is a totality, there is no controlling it, regardless of your feels
Jeremiah Anderson
Fascists are the ultimate submissives; your whole ideology is based around finding a strong masculine figure who can boss you around.
The core metaphor for fascism is literally to be a small stick in a bundle of faggots that gets wielded by some strong-arm.
Good luck giving up your freedoms to suck daddy's cock.
Prove my understanding of your ideology WRONG. GO on. Just try to prove me wrong.
Jaxon Thompson
Dum dum no one reads wiki pedia. You leftists wrote it full of your propaganda so fuck off.
Lucas Brooks
Pic related is the fasces the core of your ideology.
Colton Wilson
>more 'roo bait
Not this time, you disgusting animal.
Gabriel Thomas
Yes. And? The authoritarian state is there for a reason.
Dominic Taylor
>I just wanna be free guize
Top laff, still in Uni I'm assuming. You'll grow up m8.
>can't source arguments
In. The. Bin.
Jacob Watson
Hello my fellow Australia; how is the proxy going? Are their emus in Canada?
Evan Evans
>cognitive dissonance >from the matrix creators turning out to be trans
The movies still badass and the analogy still applies, them being trannys has nothing to do with it. Your a mongoloid if you can't seperate people from ideals
David Carter
That reason being to milk stupid fascist fanboys for all their freedom and power. Be your own man.
Christopher Scott
>Freedom in this field can only consist in socialized man, the associated producers, rationally regulating their interchange with Nature, bringing it under their common control
This is self contradictory. If you cannot figure out how, you are literally doomed to live a shitty pathetic life in a garbage ivory tower.
Socialized man is manipulated by norms which are socially enforced but rooted in culture which is in turn determined by economic and religious variables. Which in turn espouse a value system that must be held across all people. Leaving two layers a deep and a surface "morality".
The deep is the level by which good is defined and the sermon mount in the bible redefines this level for people. The surface is just culture and is easily manipulated by emerging technology and polemics.
Socialized man can never achieve meaningful deep change, far less if said deep change is partly ingrained in a religion, without worshiping man. Nietzsche saw this clearly but failed to recognize that GOD was a solution to this problem.
This encompasses the entire epistemological base of freedom because within it, freedom of ideas can foster in a reasonable fashion (that is, one that is distinct from relativistic chaos).
From this, freedom is not obtained by control, be it collective or imperialistic, but by avoiding control of all kinds and allowing radical ownership on the basis of merit. A capitalist meritocracy. That way, those who perform poorly are kicked to the curb for those who perform well. Since to be a social man, implies to be with society, this is the only true way to reinforce positive societal behaviors.
The shortening of the working day literally comes with time and technology due to the fact that the value of labor is disjoint from its products.
Marx is a worthless atheist cunt that wanted to subvert a magnificent working system for one that is doomed to failure and will never work in even the most perfect scenarios.
John Mitchell
>Muh Ideology >Try hard >Caring about things that much
What a faggot. Be like the other Aussiebro, you are the true Roobugger.
Levi Thompson
Adorno basically said right wingers were mentally unhealthy, and left wingers mentally healthy in "the authoritarian personality".
He's a shithead who tried to use """science""" to influence politics.
William Garcia
You're wrong.
Fascism is about the controlled permission to break societal rules. It's about tightening the screws in one part of public life so that they can be removed in other situations.
This is why despite the leader principle, fascism is a passions driven revolutionary movement, not simply a rigid military junta movement, for example.
Alexander Martin
that pic is all the same guy
Henry Watson
>didn't source
Clearly sourced above
>'roos are clearly fading,
Isn't it morning there?
Elijah Evans
Someone please post the video of the KGB defector already.
Gays and trannies and blacks and liberals are all USEFUL IDIOTS. They are not communists, but fuck over a country's value systems so atheist communism can take root.
Camden Davis
>one paragraph about the enlightenment meme
You aren't even trying burgerbrain.
Parker Brown
>Fascism is about the controlled permission to break societal rules.
Begets a lack of control; begets superiority complexes; begets corruption and degeneracy; begets mans humanity against man...
....hence something I'm against.
Benjamin Lewis
At least you put effort into this bait. Fuck off Pinko
If you took your argument, and imagined it in the context of a nomadic band society, where you posed it to someone who advocated these massive entities we now call "nation-states," you would realize how stupid you sound.
You realize that the binary Individual/Society is itself a historical category right?
Austin Green
Social man is best motivated by money because the will to trust is as flimsy as the contract, and when money and survival are equated, the contract of money is held with the weight of the blood of man. Without this weight, the contract is just a wish or a dream or a suggestion and breaking it has no real consequence. No real need for society when the very foundation of its principles are worthless.
Lawful Capitalism is the only healthy way to keep people together granted that it is supplemented with religion which values life above money so that certain boundaries are not crossed (such as evaluating a price of a human "life" which religiously would be defined as priceless)
John Bailey
Yuri worked in india "effecting social circles" - the bulk of his life was spent in America; propagandizing for The John Birch Society...
....a society so crazed with anti-communism (their one single belief) they accused President Dwight D. Eisenhower of being a communist plant.
Yuri was paid for his books and book tours by the John Birch Society.
Once a propagandist; always a propagandist.
ALSO; he never discussed The Frankfurt School or The Birmingham School.
Joshua Roberts
Folks, this 'roo doesn't even know the Dialectic of Enlightenment was a book.
Wow, 'roo's, not even once.
Anthony Garcia
Except that agriculture happened and all of the nomads either vanished or exist in extreme minorities. Cultural evolution guarantees that the fittest cultures survive and thrive. How are you this mentally retarded?
You are literally fucking braindead. You tell an agricultural society of the argument of the nomads and they would be "nah fuck that shit, its easier to survive growing my own food".
Every single advancement including your pathetic marxism rests on the fact that the agricultural revolution happened. Fucking dumbass
Michael Bennett
This is really crude psychologism though.
What would Adorno say about neglecting the social side of fascist thought?
Angel Martinez
Yuri wrote lies under a fake name, even claiming that Nuclear Warfare was part of Marx's ideology...
....P.S Nukes didn't exist when Marx was alive. The French Revolution did; but Nukes did not. Yuri was literally a paid shill.
Asher Wright
>all these no sources
Marxtard struggles.
>still no sources >advocating for enlightenment thinking
Yeah nah, keep trying m80
Austin Bennett
You know why you love capitalism so much? You've been trained and indoctrinated to love capitalism since you were a baby by corporations and politicians.
Julian Anderson
You realize in the context of a global system of capitalism, societies can just export their lack of religious virtue, despite public pretenses to the contrary, to poorer countries right?
Caleb Nelson
interesting, but both liberalism and marxism are toxin
Cameron Roberts
Fuck off you autististic socialist kikes.
Aiden Cook
>paid shill >[ citation obviously required ]
Prove it cunt.
Dylan Ramirez
Us commies huh? We're 100%, f a m!
Benjamin Wood
Used car salesmen working under a false name discussing USSR;
Anti-fascist SOCIAL DEMOCRACY is quite different.
Also See: Ricardo Semler/Mondragon Group.
Justin Anderson
>muh indoctrination meme >Still no food lines
Keep up the cognitive dissonance, absolute fucking retard. Capitalism is good because it WORKS better than any other system out there. Also just incase you bring up >Muh Sweden
Until recently it was basically an all white ideologically and culturally united nation and its GDP Suffered immensely with the increase in social spending (from 9% to 2%)
Elijah Rodriguez
>guns are bad >eat eating is bad >boobs are bad >alchohol is bad wtf m8 I thought you liked freedom?
Samuel Wilson
>Nuh uh! He was lying! He has photo evidence of everything he was talking about. Furthermore, why would he leave a high ranking, well paid and respected position with the KGB to become a poor writer constantly looking over his shoulder for a hitman, while being abused by pinko idiots?
But good work buddy, this is some high energy bullshit you're spouting. I would have loved to stay up tonight and be baited, but I have work tomorrow.
Alexander Lewis
Am I too old to get this meme?
Was the evolution:
1. Aussies shitpost! 2. No we don't! 3. Here are a ton of memes that prove it! 4. That's right m8 we're the best 5. 'Roo's though 6. Swallow all this shit 7. >ignore 'Roos 8. Low-level "I won't read what you write" but I'll repeat my shitposts 'Roo posts.
You're #8 right m8?
Evan Rodriguez
>26 Posts >Still caring about shit that doesn't matter
What a fag.
Ayden Gutierrez
So was he selling used cars in india?
Please try to at least keep your lies consistent.
Henry Ortiz
>all these no sources >Prove it cunt
John Birch connection:
"In 1984, he gave an interview to G. Edward Griffin, who at that time was a member of the John Birch Society, an anticommunist group."
He also did paid lecture tours:
"Tomas D. Schuman [his fake name] was associated with the World Information Network (WIN) of Westlake Village, California."
>The John Birch Society (JBS) maintains that internationalist “insiders” with a collectivist agenda, (claimed to be behind both communism and Wall Street capitalism), are engaged in a coordinated drive to destroy national sovereignty and individualism.
>still here waiting for a source refuting Kevin MacDonalds position on the the Frankfurt School
Struggling m80
Lucas Ward
All societies must socialize people to the hegemonic ideas in that society. How else would social reproduction happen?
Could you at least try to read a scribbled note taken off of a triple photo-copied page from one of Marx's later works? Please?
Brody Moore
You 'Roos are all bots at this point right?
What else could do such a dull task as this level of baity bantz for hours on end?
Benjamin Watson
>request source proving Yuri was a shill >get some shit about the John Birch society >implying
I'll keep waiting m8.
Ryder Bennett
Capitalism is a COMPETITION based system. The fact that it works is proven by the existence of black markets when they are stymed. Its the MOST natural form of human interaction outside of direct socialization. >societies can just export their lack of religious virtue >implies this is a bad thing
The best thing that ever happened to niggers was white people.
We can also import their people to massively better their lives if they slave away for our economy.
Who will win? A shit society with horribly unhealthy lifestyles, a worthless government, a shitty religion that oppresses the masses and a shit economy despite massive amounts of natural resources
OR
America with the exact opposite of that. America will win. Why? Because they are better culturally and in the global capitalist culture religious market place. The BEST wins. Not the shittiest, not the one people "want" despite the fact that it ruins their life. The BEST wins. This means the one that creates the most positive change and improves life the most.
Id love to export all you worthless athiest faggots to the middle of africa. Hopefully you can make your nice little utopia there and keep the fuck away from the winners over here.
Julian Ramirez
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Jonathan Ward
>That pic Well, isn't that true?
Still a fag.
Wyatt James
>complains about aussies >rather than sourcing arguments
Why so emotional burgerbrain?
Luke Phillips
It's just first semester college and high school kids from 8gag leftypol who come here spout their kike shit and mix in a few big boy words to sound professional. Empty ramblings of a failed intelligentsiya that is just anal about being found out. They are scared because their holocaust pity bonus is running out and that they will soon decorate trees and lamp posts worldwide.
Gavin Williams
>can't refute sourced argument >stop b8ing me guize
Laffen, typical marxcuck.
Owen Ortiz
Do you even understand the social contract nigger? Religion and economics are the FOUNDATION of this. Socialization does not just happen. It literally only happens because people can make an economic gain from eachother and because we trust eachother on the basis of religious or cultural values. Why do you think nationalism exists in the first place?
Holy fuck you communists are retarded.
Ethan Barnes
Grade A non-argument
Hudson Fisher
Geez, the John Birch Society was anti-communist (it's the only thing they were); and they paid Bezmenov for his books and lecture tours. Why is that hard to believe? He was a dis-information agent; he just changed from being on the left - to being on the right.
Either way he's an enemy of Truth and Freedom; and you praise him because you BELIEVE his lies.
Stand up for yourself; and learn to research this stuff properly (from good quality authoritative sources) or you'll be dupes forever.
Ryan Bailey
Germans have been getting more hardcore lately. Isn't it illegal for you folks to name the holohoax?
Kevin Green
Actually, the word is "skypes" now.
Owen Brown
Here's a logical fallacy for you: THE ONUS OF EVIDENCE.
I've proven my side; others have to prove their side.
You can imply all you want that the John Birch society paid for his views but without any evidence it goes straight in the bin.
Austin Powell
Himself - you dumb ass.
Luke Kelly
>himself >implying
Parker Diaz
So wait.
The Frankfurt school ideas work without brown people or greedy jews?
Why would I need it in the first place if neither of those existed in my country?
Josiah Cooper
>I've proven my side; others have to prove their side. >Literally no proof whatsoever >No historical proof, all historical proof contradicts the narrative >No scientific proof, all game theory and economics contradicts the narrative
The only proof you can bring is logic, and i have given you excellent reason to believe your entire system is full of shit.
Society does not just "exist" because people like to talk and fuck. People like to talk and fuck because it has incentive. Money IS incentive. Economic transactions occur at all levels and within all things. A freely operating economy is one that is inherently capitalistic due to the desire of man to improve his own lot. Therefore the best system is one which allows the lot of all to improve VIA the lot of the few.
Corporations and businesses which trade cash for products, in a system of competition which rewards innovation and provides incentive for science and advancement is literally the BEST POSSIBLE SYSTEM.
Why do you think western capitalist societies have created ALL the advancements in the world? All the great medical technologies that extend life. The machines that make the workday easy on the worker and that create greater and greater creative and intellectual markets.
You have no proof. Never had proof and no system ever created EVER trumped capitalism and this is historically verifiable. Sit in your little dream ivory tower you dumb nigger. Whilst thousands of families are destroyed by welfare and other "socialist" systems that take the duty of goodness and productivity from the man and put it in the hands of the government.
The sooner you kill yourself is the sooner the world progresses
Nathaniel Wood
Tell me again what this has to do with THE FRANKFURT SCHOOL or THE BIRMINGHAM SCHOOL????
David Taylor
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Jack White
You do not have to be for censorship to have your ideal ultimately end up there.
You do not have to object to culture to undermine the individual through hatred of capitalism.
Massification is not bad if a society has a core idea, like the family.
Just because this man did not come straight up and say what happens now, does not mean that he wanted things to go further than himself.
"Long march through the institutions" is explicitly long-game.
You clearly have no vision as to how he is undermining clear tenants of liberty. He accesses liberty through the addressment of a hypothetical which he helped to create.
Jason Rogers
Tell me again what this has to do with THE FRANKFURT SCHOOL or THE BIRMINGHAM SCHOOL????
James Lewis
>can't find a source >moves goal posts
Top cunt.
Michael Harris
Yep I agree; fascism can effect any ideology (that's what THE FRANKFURT SCHOOL were on about); but I've seen no government censorship of liberty today.
Xavier Mitchell
I can definitely agree with this, the effects can be clearly observed in Australia. Our culture is merely a farce of the rural community perverted by the media and sold to urbanites and tourists, it's disgusting. This isn't a right wing issue though and commies should be gassed
Christopher Edwards
Frankfurt school is ideological and moral in its premises. Therefore it sifts all reality through a moral lense that ultimately through its ideas of "cultural positivity" create a bland metaculture that ultimately evaluates power differentials between cultures so that no one culture attains power over the other.
IT is LITERALLY cultural stalinism. It adds the government to a position where government should NEVER be. In total control over culture which normally operates wonderfully like a free economy of ideas.
Every argument that applies to communism applies to the frankfurt school in its attempt to establish the religion of no religion and the culture of no culture. HOW are you so fucking retarded? HOW.
Oliver Watson
No go on; explain to me the connection between Bezmenov and The Frankfurt School or Birmingham School... go on.
They were western intellectuals practicing in a western tradition of academic freedom. Some of whom faught and killed Nazis for part of their lives.
YOU HAVE NO ARGUMENT
Isaac Anderson
/leftypol/ please go I've seen your threads on how you guys post this shit here. KultureKampf on Soundcloud crushed you guys last debate.
All cultures are equal, except some cultures (the meta culture) are more equal than others.
fucking dense cunt. Its the ultimate destruction of the free market of ideas.
Jason Mitchell
There is none. I just posted the link for the user asking. You went on to claim he was a shillings with no sources m80.
Now, refute Kevin MacDonald's appraisal of the Frankfurt School.
Justin Roberts
after watching the debates, yuri was 100% correct. you literally do not know who is telling the truth. even all the fact checking sites are very fishy. there is just too much info
Juan King
How are you so retarded that you can't see that they weren't arguing for a "Culture of no-culture"
The Frankfurt School specifically argued for the veneration of high culture (I don't agree with them, but they did) - and The Birmingham School argued for a re-invigoration of localized working class cultures.
You've fallen for the Urban Dictionary definition of "Cultural Marxism" - the paranoid version that claims it's here to "destroy language, family and art"...
Why would you trust Urban Dictionary of all things????
Cooper Rivera
I already have:
Logan Wilson
>???? >4 (four) question marks Nice argument.
The Frankfurt School advocates the destruction of religion, culture, family, community and tradition, so socialism can become your god, your culture, your family, your community and your tradition.
It is nothing but a grab for power. All socialists have the same hollow soulless eyes motivated by nothing but a desire for money, power and control. They have been infected with the jewish sense of superiority. And this is why all socialists never want to be the worker or the peasant, it's always people who see themselves as card-carrying party members and the intelligensiya. They see themselves as the superiors who have to lead everyone against their will. Because all societies over the course of history of earth have tried to implement a working model of society and a bunch of assblasted kikes of course has come up with the perfect model. A theoretical one of course, because socialism has never been tried.
You have conviced yourself that you are so great that you are qualified to lead the entire world against their will, because you are so smart and everyone is so stupid, despite the fact that you can't convince anyone who isn't an impressionable child or already in your red echochamber.
Benjamin Martinez
>There is none
Exactly; so Yuri is irrelevant. I'll let the anons who were asking for it know;
...and look it was a fucking LEAF:
Angel Green
It's none of a Skype's business what goes on in Western nations, period. Assimilate completely, or make aliyah and return to your sand dune of origin.
Nathaniel Powell
>The Frankfurt School advocates the destruction of religion, culture, family, community and tradition, so socialism can become your god, your culture, your family, your community and your tradition.
You too fall into this bin:
You're late, and already in an echo chamber. Try reading OP's links again.
Gabriel Murphy
>I already have >go look at my no source
Fuck me m8, you havin a laugh?
>Yuri is irrelevant
This is true.
>still upset you couldn't prove he was a shill
Laffen.
Jayden Gomez
>card-carrying party members and the intelligensiya
Interesting that you used that term because the British Cultural Marxists actually did carry cards:
>Hoggart and Williams both served in World War II. Hoggart as an anti-aircraft gunner in North Africa and Italy.[48] Raymond Williams joined the war effort even though it was against the British Communist party line of which he had been a member. He rose to the rank of an officer in the Anti-Tank Regiment of the Guards Armoured Division, and was deployed as part of the 'D-Day' Invasion of Normandy. Going on to command a unit of four tanks at Bocage and fight across the European front, ultimately aiding in the liberation of the Stalag X-B Prisoner-of-war camp near Sandbostel in north-western Germany.
(again you're late so I thought I'd catch you up)
Ian Gray
Cool but he's not relevant.... and yes; if Communism is not democratic it becomes fascist; just like MOST non-democratic forms.
However Democratic forms of socialism are entirely possible and function well:
Ah yes. Of course the only solution to any of these pseudo-problems is a jewish engineered and led marxist-socialist police state.
Dylan Garcia
>The Frankfurt School advocates the destruction of religion, culture, family, community and tradition, so socialism can become your god, your culture, your family, your community and your tradition.
How so? And what philosopher within the Frankfurt school specifically, what passages OR specific ideas will you be citing to support your interpretation?
Where is the fucking SUBSTANCE of your argument? All you've done so far is cast aspersions, poisoned the well, strawmanned and ad hommed.
I'll wait for a reasonable response.
Caleb Jones
>democratic forms of socialism >democratic
m8, seriously, grow the fuck up.
Cameron Hill
Fuck that, i literally just read what you wrote and took it to its logical conclusions. You are the blind motherfucker that cant see this is the same bullshit wrapped in a different blanket.
Dont you see? The Culture of no culture is the high culture.
Whether you agree with it or not, it is there becasue it is REQUIRED in order to form the premises of their conscious perspective. In order to begin to categorize all the cultures, including those which bisect society. They have to assume a perspective. Which if it does not accept the premise of objective morality under conditions of competition IS LITERALLY artificially limited.
Humans trying to be god. Just like Lenin and Mao. It does not fucking work. The smallest unit of culture should be engaged by the person, not controlled by the high culture.
Also the best way to reinvigorate a working class is to break up an oppressive power structure. Currently NAFTA is completely fucking the american working class and is rigging the game against them. Welfare just ensures they never escape. Have you seen the "low reward zone" created by welfare? The incentive structures are destroyed. American working culture is impressive and excellent which is why they respond so powerfully to increasing incentives.
Re-invigoration is a bunch of horseshit. humans have always responded to economics and will continue to do so. The more we embrace this economic optimism the better and the best way to do this is to put it where the dollar is. Cant be optimistic in a losing system.
Kevin Young
Oh Max Stirner is who you're referring to. I always forget that guy; did you want to say something about him?
Carson Martinez
>m8, seriously, grow the fuck up.
YOUR TURN: No argument, no sources.
Lincoln Morales
You have no power here communist and you are not welcome to stay.
Chase Taylor
I'm not terribly fond of his work. He's diet Nietzsche for college kids that can't handle Nietzsche's archaic proto-fascism.
Gabriel Powell
Rah rah; free trade. Sure sure Trinidad.
Lenin and Mao are irrelevant; just a couple of fascists (Yep, they're against social democracy, just like Putin).
What are you talking about NAFTA for?
>The Culture of no culture is the high culture.
No it's not; it's high culture.
At any rate; my point is that the right wing have been lying about these practically irrelevant (by modern standards) Cultural Theorist.
That's my point. That Cred Forums was dupes; Cred Forums was wrong.
Brody King
>movies take peoples opinions seriously >get more degenerate and start sucking >suddenly no hunger money
This is the most retarded argument i have ever heard. You know what happens after it starts sucking?
>People invest in other forms of media. Like YOUTUBE AND SOCIAL MEDIA BECASUE ITS LESS FUCKED BY GARBAGE OPINIONS. SO THE HOUSEWIFE MAKES HER OWN MOVIE INSTEAD OF BEING FORCED TO WATCH SOMEONE ELSES.
Absolutely fucking retarded argument. Poor niggers in america are literally better off than the average mexican in mexico.
Grayson Russell
> what is the dawn of electronics
Jose James
>OP starts thread about the Frankfurt school >OP receives a sourced refutation regarding the schools goals >OP continues to argue with no sources >OP tells an user he's a Democratic socialist with wiki links >user tells OP to grow up >OP expects sourced arguments refuting his Democratic socialist position when the thread was about the Frankfurt School
Top fucking laff.
You on that struggle street m8?
John Flores
Have you read the Adorno lectures on Kant?
Anthony Gomez
Straya with the shitpost. Never change.
Jordan Smith
>>OP receives a sourced refutation regarding the schools goals
Can you point me in the direction of these sourced refutations? All I'm seeing are emotionally distraught non-arguments about an insidious Jewish agenda.
Ayden Thompson
>Be a Richard D. Wolff. >Watches waged decrease in the US >While they increase in Europe >Wonder why this is. >Give lecture on topic:
Take it back to Israel, Shlomo. We don't want any of it here.
Ethan Martinez
>wikipedia >idiot who practically regurgitates articles at you How did this get so many replies? sage
Josiah Sullivan
Come on man; it's in the very first reply:
Adorno complains that capitalism is:
>too closely bound up with easy-going liberalism and Jewish intellectuals
He's not your enemy.
Evan Cook
...
Brayden Butler
Because I'm quoting the Frankfurt School directly.
Anthony Ross
>leaf struggling to navigate a thread
Your problem, not mine m8.
>OP moves goal posts again
Get gassed m80
Angel Kelly
kill yourself
Wyatt Jackson
Eh.
Thomas Howard
>The truth that they are just business is made into an ideology in order to justify the rubbish they deliberately produce. They call themselves industries; and when their directors’ incomes are published, any doubt about the social utility of the finished products is removed.
Do you have any idea of how information works in the real world nigger? Its called a reflexive information network. Humans like authenticity and truth and this is a cultural universal and so in a free society, cultures will ALWAYS tend to select this option over others should there be a competition of ideas. Corporations have a financial incentive NOT to fuck the customer because under conditions of competition, their brand image will be fucked and everyone goes to some other place.
Part of the reason news media is being watched at all time lows and movies are being sidelined as an art is becasue they have lost their purpose in truth. Why else would youtube and other media sources rise up? People want what people want. You cannot control that and the proof is literally in fox's ratings and the rise of online media platforms.
When they start censoring and doing shit there, other platforms will take over.
This is PROGRESS. Just because some butthurt faggot is missing the "good old days of artsy media" does not mean shit. Art evolves with technology and society.
Bentley Ortiz
Here I'll move them back; The right wing of politics lied to Cred Forums and Cred Forums believed them.
You're wrong about The Frankfurt School and "Cultural Marxism" - I'm merely correcting this misconception.
Hence the original post (original goal posts).
Colton Torres
So what you're *really* saying is that there are no reasonable, sourced refutations to OP in this thread?
Austin Jenkins
Enjoy Coke. Taste Happiness.
Asher Evans
>Implying anyone led us anywhere and we didn't just wake up to your kind of brainwashed cuckery on our own.
Fuck off.
Brayden Lopez
You seem upset.
Ethan Martin
Tell me about it Janet. Tell me about the "Cultural Marxism" of the Frankfurt School which you apparently woke up from.
Owen Cruz
Glad to see an aussie put some actual effort into shitposting. You guys are lagging way behind Canada for the Shitposting gold medal.
Eli Foster
I'd much prefer you an hero. It's not my job to redpill you and I'm really just here to get a kick out of watching you fail at your attempts to bluepill.
Luis Gutierrez
cultural marxism doesn't into existence; it's not of this realm; it never was here
Tyler Green
>It's not my job to convince you of my position, listen and believe comrade!
Jordan Hall
>I'm correcting your misconception
You couldn't even refute Kevin MacDonald's appraisal m8, so you're no where close to correcting me.
Typical marxtard.
>leaf still cant navigate a thread
Just go back
Mason Evans
>Cummunism is totally against that, goys!
that's the problem with communists, the fruits of their labor rarely match up with their intentions.
Ian Murphy
Oh no there was a DIFFERENT POLITICAL IDEOLOGY THAN MY OWN ON WIKIPEDIA!!!
Better screen cap this for the guys then pretend it's censorship.
Rgloustershire doesn't have anything to do with the current article: THE FACTS do.
Logan Murphy
I'm giving you a chance to be reasonable user, and all you're doing is stubbornly refusing.
Carson Lewis
Dont watch TV and dont drink soda nigger. I like my health and coke makes me feel like shit so i buy reflecting MY desires. Coke does a good job of providing a great tasting product that my brothers love and pay for, reflecting this love for them.
Free fucking market. My dollars go to a guy who is doing his best to get me the shit i want. Like yogurt or fresh fruit. People adapt and evolve and the BEST survive.
This being said, Coke is tied to the clinton foundation and their scams with USAID in africa. When that news comes out. Their IPO is going to be FUCKED and confidence in the product will sink to record lows. If they get fined it will be just that much more devastating. God i cannot wait.
I love a free world. Let big egos crash under the weight of the truth. This is how freedom of speech works. You can NEVER suppress it and you dont need a retarded cunt to tell you that.
Its just the truth of the history of man.
Ayden Ortiz
>it thinks i'm conversing with it
Brandon White
...
Jonathan Cox
>implying
rightists IRL talked about these concepts prior to the Internet taking form
Hudson Ortiz
This is pretty lazy argumentation.
"You have different views; so I don't have to listen"
Social Democracy > USSR agrarian communism
Joseph Harris
>it thinks i'm conversing with it
Right; you're not capable of intellectual discussion. Sorry I forget this (because I'm so stupid of course).
Jordan Martin
>leaf still can't navigate a bread
What the fuck is with plebbitards wanting everything handed to them? Go back up the bread m80 and look for my ID with a source. Fucking newfuck.
>democracy
I remember when I was a teenager and thought democracy was a good thing. Fortunately I grew up.
Grayson Sullivan
> be a good goy and accept the genocide and replacement of white people, you ebil bigot.
Angel King
>it's continually arguing with itself, with an arrogance unmatched
Jason Taylor
Holy shit, OP is a cum guzzling GAYCUNT
If any 'strayans see this poofer on the street, fucking glass him, steal his centrelink (he's a commie so he's probably on the dole) and beat his commie-apologist ass
William Torres
I think I found the source of all those "fucking millennial" posts.
I found them; the old-men of Cred Forums
Jaxon Evans
All I wanted was an actual counter-argument with substance. Since you're unable to produce one, I'll accept your concession.
Luis Parker
Cred Forumsseniors/ - coming to a forum near you.
Owen Moore
>In their modern incarnation The Frankfurt School are against identity politics; and argue economic poverty is a more important class issue.
kinda like how Swedish Cuck-politicians (not the good ones) say that they want us to have "E.U.'s lowest unneomployment rate" - but in reality they import hundreds of thousands of unemployables over a few years, while outsourcing Production Work reducing us into "Service Sector jobs" (clashes with automisation/robotization developing in both West and Japan), which stops this from even being achievable
gommies/marxists have proven excellent at saying A but doing B, hundreds of millions dead-by-proxy so far
Michael Lee
Stop samefagging up your thread OP, we have ID's on this board
Brandon Harris
Since you really are struggling here, I'll help you out a little. You can click on his ID to highlight all of his posts.
Jayden Peterson
it's not lazy argumentation. I'm stating a fact, which is that communism has great skills of critique, but when it comes to implementing solutions it almost always falls short. Why argue? At the end of the day, I know your solutions won't help, in fact they might even cause more harm than the status quo. The information you've posted is interesting though, and I'll give it a skim
Kevin Parker
>young dumb and proud guize
Top laff
>counter argument with substance
Actually wat.
Evan Gomez
> Implying I believe in a single thing I've posted > Implying I want to teach anyone anything > Thinking anyone wants to learn from Marxist fags.
Welcome to Cred Forums How them Jimmies?
Jose Thompson
>i was just pretending to be retarded
Camden King
JIMMIES!!!!
Jordan Bennett
>against identity politics >economic povert more important
this, while making "The Evil Rich" a massive Spook/Boogeyman/Demon/Cthulhu Agent [identity #1], that must be crushed by the enlightened proletariat [identity #2]
this is why there is a "POST-MARXISM" strand of political thought now that can't handle that they failed the first handful of times around in the 20th century, re-inventing the wheel on Marxism once more
Robert Scott
# Do you know where you are?
Landon Ward
so you guys actually did learn something from the emu war
Jordan Sullivan
I suppose I'm struggling to see why calling someone a "faggot cunt" and then providing a link to an article touching upon the proliferation of the Frankfurt school and dipping its toes into the work of Kevin Macdonald a "sourced refutation" to the schools goals.
It's hardly an exhaustive exegesis of the Frankfurt school or of Kevin Macdonalds for that matter, although an interesting read.
It actually just strikes me as incredibly lazy.
Jackson Jackson
What we need is a little Post Keynesianism not this supply side Marxist bullshit.
Sebastian Ward
Marxism requires a dictatorship OF the masses (ie. a direct democracy). So far communism has only ever been a fascist dictatorship OVER the masses (fascist/authoritarian communism).
Hence why DEMOCRATIC socialism is here now.
Authoritarianism NEVER works.
Eli Cruz
Oh yes it does. MAGA!
Ethan Wright
Identity is everything that connects you to reality.
Everything else is just smoke and mirrors in cultural Marxist agenda. Destroy identity and you have control of the ones perception of reality.
Basically they are into making humans their drones - slaves.
Jose Gutierrez
This. Plus theys Antifa scum.
Matthew Ross
>Basically they are into making humans their drones - slaves.
Basically you haven't read them:
>Hoggart's argument is that "the mass publicists" were made "more insistently, effectively and in a more comprehensive and centralised form today than they were earlier" and "that we are moving towards the creation of a mass culture, that the remnants of what was at least in part an urban culture 'of the people' are being destroyed".
(he's a 1950s British guy talking about protecting local community identities)
Basically you've swallowed a lie about "The Cultural Marxists" trying to brainwash you; when they were in fact working against brainwashing.
Jordan Anderson
t. the Eternal Whig
Nathan Taylor
The problem with these accelerationist lunatics is that they want communism rather than an ideology that can work and they're willing to let billions die just to get their attempt at communism.
Josiah Wilson
I oppose all forms of Monarchy and Royalism.
Cooper Ward
Protecting? Where does it say that?
Truth is - identity is what protects you from brainwashing. Smoke and mirrors are there to drift you from realizing this point and giving up your identity for the empty promises of better future.
> pic related
Isaiah Barnes
The narrative just keeps shifting leftwards. What was left 40 years ago could be considered alt-right in 20 more. Neither the old left or the current right has the capacity to defeat this - we need a stronger, more virulent meme to fight it. This is pretty much my problem with western traditionalism as well - it simply got devastated. Why revive it just to watch it die again?
Identity politics are just the tip of the everchanging iceberg. In 20 years the left will be purging identity groups (and everybody else who refuses to assimilate into the borg) with firebombings and concentration camps. And dissident leftists will be distributing on secret Malaysian seashell collection boards archived tweets of current day SJWs warning against the dangers of totalitarianism (or fascism).
I'm sure the materials you are showing us are all meaningful and important. But hey are a small part of a process that has been going since before Immanuel Kant.
Joseph Baker
>defending the Frankfurt School on Cred Forums
THIS IS SOME TOP NOTCH, 10/10 BAIT. GIVE THIS MAN A REFUGEE
Wyatt Sanchez
I don't.
I want Democratic Socialism and believe that Marshall McLuhan was right when he said that Capitalism and Communism would eventually merge.
In 20 years both technology and social relations will have drastically changed to the point that it won't be so simply predicted.
Colton Sanders
Anyways Cred Forums - now you know you've been lied to - and that the Cultural Marxists were trying see the bugs and errors in Capitalist culture.
The right wing are trying to perpetuate those bugs and errors.
Cooper Wilson
BUMP
Jose Young
>they lost control of the narrative and dont like the current runaway iteration of their monstrosity >this means they have nothing to do with it Retards simply don't understand politics or human nature if this is true
Andrew Ortiz
>The Frankfurt School "Cultural Marxists" objected to the dangers of a money-controlled 'Culture Industry' and worried it was used to manipulate humanity.
Now that's what I call concern trolling.
Ethan Garcia
Tech won't advance quickly enough in 20 years m8
>social relations >what new, fundamentally different social relation could we possibly see in 20?
Evan Reyes
>Frankfurt School How about we pay attention to a group that actually understands human nature and how it relates to cultural, social and economic issues rather than these ignorant retards trying to rationalize retarded ideologies.
Kevin Brown
Less race issues; the deconstruction and application of secularism to Islamic states.
Isaiah Williams
>rationalize retarded ideologies
I can't tell what you're talking about.
Henry Ward
sage
Joseph Collins
That's okay; it's not your race that matters - only your culture and philosophy.
Wyatt Richardson
What makes you think this would happen when the outside pressure that would otherwise happen is no longer there?
The only thing in danger IS secularism
Carson Martin
Non-belief is the fastest growing category as far as I can tell. Secularism is the fastest growing religion (so to speak).
Christopher Russell
>[Citation needed] I recall specifically seeing it being outpaced by miles by islam
Nobody cares about the matrix here. It's about the idea and what it represents.
Red pill = inconvenient truth Blue pill = blissful ignorance
We reappropriated the terms for our own use therefore the fact that the people who made the matrix are a bunch of degenerates with gender dysphoria has ZERO impact on us.
You're retarded to think that's even an argument against us and that's why you so falsely think that we can't be reasoned with. You're too stupid to reason with anyone, much less Cred Forums. You probably can't even judge what Hitler did right vs what he did wrong because you're blinded by your idealism.
I'm not even racist but would have still voted for Hitler knowing the reasons. I'd protest against warmongering to the west but the Jews declared civil war on Germany, Hitler had no choice but to exterminate or deport them (significant evidence exists to suggest the Nazi responsible deaths were less than official records but still a significant amount)
In the end you can't judge anything objectively without getting triggered by Nazi memes so you have no chance in hell of arguing with anyone on Cred Forums successfully.
Elijah Howard
This meme that you can somehow separate culture from race needs to die.
Henry Wright
>U.S.
Cameron Morgan
>muh hitler had no choice
...but to invade Poland? And exterminate people on mass? Please tell me how.
Because the way I see it; he could have CHOSE NOT TO DO THOSE THINGS.
Tyler Gonzalez
So what you're saying is that everything you're saying is just because of your race?
Nolan Campbell
Why you gays no response!
David Bailey
>citing jewkipedia Is this nigger serious?
>...but to invade Poland? And exterminate people on mass?
You're retarded. Nice kike education you've got there btw.
Justin Myers
Muh 11 million.
Yep; Homosexuals, Socialists and Subversives. - Not just Jews!
