How on earth can you vote for Trump?

Reagan and GWB destroyed this nation when they slashed taxes on the wealthy and put the tax burden on the middle and poor class. They also exploded the national debt by starting illegal wars and spent on US surveillance state.

If you like Reaganomics/voodoo economics, yeah vote for Trump. If you like economic sanity, vote for Hillary.

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en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reaganomics
traditionalright.com/donald-trump-peace-candidate/
breitbart.com/video/2016/09/26/trump-the-best-person-in-hillarys-campaign-is-mainstream-media/
nypost.com/2016/09/26/the-best-debate-takes-come-from-inside-the-bar/
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Yet Obama has doubled the national debt by doing the exact opposite.

really makes ya think

>Yet Obama has doubled the national debt by doing the exact opposite.

NO HE DIDN'T FAGGOT

He put those two unfunded illegal wars Bush started and put them on the budget. So it made it SEEM like he tripled the national debt. and 5 trillion of the national debt is our own debt. Nor is public debt anywhere near a danger as private debt. Japan has 200% national debt, we have less than 100%.

Americans do not know their own history.
The do not even know that they had a 2008 moment in 1933, that their whole middle class was better off under higher top tax rates for decades.

>He put those two unfunded illegal wars Bush started and put them on the budget.
No he didn't.

>war in afghanistan
>illegal

>No he didn't.

YES HE DID

He simply put it on the budget, as opposes to Bush and the GOP Congress who went around with a credit card spending on whatever they wanted. I'm sorry you spend all day watching Fox News, but Trump is Bush's third term. His GOP Congress will destroy this country. With an ideological extremist like Paul Ryan as Speaker, you can kiss social security goodbye

Look at what happened to the state of Kansas with full republican government (governor, senate, house). The state is nearly bankrupt. Hurr durr if you lower taxes for the wealthy the state revenues will increase because of the increase in economic activity..hurr. When will white trash in pickup trucks learn?

No he didn't. Provide some citation for your silly claims, you neurotic leftist retard.

If you tax the fuck out of businesses they will do business elsewhere and take the jobs with them. Taxes are fucking insane right now for everyone.

Nice false quote. Really makes me trust the validity of your claims.

We're actually just slightly over 100%. Not nitpicking, just saying you should try and be accurate

War funding included in Obama's overall budget

politifact.com/truth-o-meter/promises/obameter/promise/161/end-the-abuse-of-supplemental-budgets-for-war/

On the campaign trail, Barack Obama often spoke against the Iraq war. Among the many things he didn't like about it was the way it was funded. Obama said he would end the Bush administration's practice of putting war costs in supplemental budgets and instead count spending for the Iraq war in the overall budget. He argued that it would receive greater congressional oversight and be a more honest way of addressing its impact on the deficit.

>Nice false quote.

He basically said the same thing during the primary.

>politifact
I found the problem. Someone post the macro image for this, I don't have it.

>I found the problem.

EAT SHIT AND DIE FAGGOT

Sorry you are way to stupid to think so you love to be fooled by an orange racist con artist.

Sorry not all of us are braindead Fox News and right wing hate radio watchers like you.

Found it. Use a reputable source next time, libcuck.

Do you often lose control of yourself and angrily shitpost in all caps when you are proven wrong?

TRICKLE DOWN ECONOMICS DOESN'T EXIST, IT'S A STRAWMAN.

No one ever advocated for it. Educate yourself dipshit.

FACTS ARE EVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVIL

REALITY IS LIESSSSSSSSSSSSSS

I AM SILLY

>TRICKLE DOWN ECONOMICS DOESN'T EXIST,

Sure thing cuck.

>hurrr I'm so much smarter than you gais look at this biased source that I used to brainwash myself instead of studying the true economic impact of policy and applying reason and evidence

this

We did kick out some of the crazies in the primaries

Hopefully the moderate dem/rep coliation can save our state within the next two election cycles

This. Trickle down is a myth.

>biased source

According to Trumpfags the polls until about a month ago were ripped, but when Trump started rising in the polls, suddenly they were legit.

>problem gets worse with more and more socialist policies
who would have thought it

>This. Trickle down is a myth.

Ok I guess I must have missed the part where Reagan reduced our tax from in the 1980s.

>dumb people are generally poorer because they make bad decisions with money
>smart people are generally richer because they make better decisions with money
>take money from people who make better decisions and give to people who make bad decisions
>implying rich, smart people don't reinvest their money into building jobs and services, whilst dumb, poor people piss it away on entertainment

You are irredeemably fucking retarded.

Why is the entire oligarchy supporting Hillary? Are they that keen to share their wealth?

which socialist policies do you mean?
the US does not even have a single-payer health system or a minimum income net, like all of the developed world does.

Trump is a fucking moron. Just accept that the only rational choice is Hillary

>implying rich, smart people don't reinvest their money into building jobs and services, whilst dumb, poor people piss it away on entertainment

Wrong again. Most of the time they keep their money in foreign private bank accounts and don't circulate the money in the economy. When you give stuff to poor people, like foodstamps for example, they spend that money, which does stimulate the economy. Foodstamps is one of our most successful programs.

Why would rich waste money in the USA, which has higher labor standards than say Vietnam, where they have 0.25 cents minimum wage an hour?

Would you say the US has a culture? If Hillary is elected, the US with collapse due to no unified culture, if Trump is elected maybe we can get something going again. Non whites probably have to die.

> ctr trolls are Trump supporters

Trickle Down, aka Reagonomics, doesn't exist. It wasn't even penned by the Reagan administration and no such claims or plans were even made by the administration. It's bullshit that liberals wave around to make it seem they have a point for their socialist platforms.

Said liberals always forget how the Clinton economy soared under a Republican congress or how the 2008 crisis happened under a Democrat one.

nationalreview.com/article/367682/trickle-down-lie-thomas-sowell
nationalreview.com/article/367682/trickle-down-lie-thomas-sowell
nationalreview.com/article/367682/trickle-down-lie-thomas-sowell
nationalreview.com/article/367682/trickle-down-lie-thomas-sowell

Trickle down economics does not exist

>Trickle Down, aka Reagonomics, doesn't exist.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reaganomics

Stupidest shit on Cred Forums currently.

It's a meme. Everyone knows r/theDonald or whatever rigged the polls. It's satirical because it's exactly what leftists were doing up to this point.

You must have a mental deficiency if you can't see the parallels.

>Trickle down economics does not exist

Ok so what happened during the presidencies of Reagan and GWB? They slashed taxes and raised them on the lowest and middle class Americans, which devastated our nation. So what do we call it if it's not "trickle down"?

Donald Trump, Peace Candidate

traditionalright.com/donald-trump-peace-candidate/

Trump: ‘The Best Person’ In Hillary’s Campaign ‘Is Mainstream Media’

breitbart.com/video/2016/09/26/trump-the-best-person-in-hillarys-campaign-is-mainstream-media/

How Trump won over a bar full of undecideds and Democrats

nypost.com/2016/09/26/the-best-debate-takes-come-from-inside-the-bar/

>sage

>Most of the time they keep their money in foreign private bank accounts
> foreign private bank accounts
Huh, I wonder why they do this. Surely nothing to do with TAXATION which Trump plans to reduce.

>Why would rich waste money in the USA
Why would they not employ Americans when Trump adds the tariffs and tax incentives?

Trump's policy answers literally every criticism you have.

>wikipedia

aka libfest central

Yes my goy, vote 4 Hill. She cares so much for the middle class.

Your autistic mind correlates spending with investment or growth and it also assumes all rich people get their wealth from raw cash instead of the value from their assets.

Money in a bank is always being either invested by the bank or used for loans, which helps the bank make a profit and accrue interest. Said loans are usually used to start up businesses or buy important assets, like a home.

Most rich people don't even have their net worth in raw cash, most of their wealth comes from assets like land or property, which does nothing but help them accrue wealth in the first place and can't be "spent" the way your autistic mind demands.

Go away. Kill yourself

Wasn't that during the great depression? I don't think anyone was better off at that time, hanz.

Don't forget

>Community edited

Where did this green wojak trickle down from?

wonderfully cherry picked statements

>illegal wars

You mean like the Iraq war that Clinton voted for twice

>Clintons on your side goyim

No she's not. She's a multimillionaire who got rich doing some very evil shit

At least you tried you laughably stupid cunt

TRICKLE DOWN ECONOMICS?

I CALL IT TRUMPED UP ECONOMICS!

TIME TO TAX THE """RICH"""

>Surely nothing to do with TAXATION which Trump plans to reduce.

Again you completely ignored what I posted at the bottom of my post.

Using your logic, if we abolish taxes, we will all be rich and the streets paved with gold!!!!!!

>Why would they not employ Americans when Trump adds the tariffs and tax incentives?

Cause as I pointed out before the standards are lower in third world nations like Vietnam. That's capitalism faggot. It's about making a buck. SO they go to the nations with the lowest standards so they can exploit the work force. We won't have this if we have public control of our economy as opposed to allowing private power to control it.

>what do we call it if it's not "trickle down"?
>incapable of referring to policy in non lefty propaganda and adhom terms
>what do we call black people if not niggers
Are you really this retarded?

You have refuted nothing. Their "fact-checking" is clearly biased.

EVERYTHING OUTSIDE OF FOX NEWS IS A LIE

Here comes Ahmed with his infantile understanding of the Eisenhower economy and tax rate. Le higher taxes meant more GOOD TIMES FOR ALL!!!!11!!

Reality is that the Eisenhower rate wasn't even paid because it only applied to income and the wealthy almost entirely only paid capital gains tax, which was a reasonable 25% and even then, they could get write offs so no, that magical tax rate wasn't even paid.

>Donald Trump, Peace Candidate

douthat.blogs.nytimes.com/2011/06/21/the-politics-of-foreign-policy/?_r=0

>George W. Bush himself ran in 2000 as an anti-interventionist, attacking the Clinton administration for its nation-building and promising a more “humble” foreign policy.

You have no idea what youre talking about.

Who i thought pol was just sperging out about the shills
but this is just like wow
you talk like a left wing shit poster trying to imitate a right wing person

>Le higher taxes meant more GOOD TIMES FOR ALL!!!!11!!

We have the lowest taxes ever and guess what? Our economy is shit. Republicans in 1920s lowed taxes to the 20% and guess what? Great Depression. Big government works and saves your life. Only rednecks and hicks hate big government.

It doesn't matter.
You nominated the only candidate who can somehow manage to not beat Hillary Clinton.
He's a fucking idiot now we are all fucked.
Thanks a lot Retardpublicans.

I stopped going to wikipedia when they took down the page for race change in the US. It's just gone.

>tariffs don't influence the cost of exporting labour
Every day I pray for welfare cuts, so that mentally deficient genes can be allowed to remove themselves since individuals such as yourself would be too stupid to survive on their own.

It's not even in the history? I remember some years back when it was a big scandal that MediaWiki put in some kind of feature for Big Daddy King to be able to actually expunge information that was just so dangerous locking and reverting wasn't good enough.

>tariffs

Not gonna bring back the jobs and doesn't address the fundamental problem of allowing private capitalists have control over a massive sector of our economy.

The New Deal PROLONGED the depression you retarded piece of shit. It had none of the impact Roosevelt claimed it would and most of it would be later repealed because it was Unconstitutional. What lifted the American economy out was a gigantic war in Europe that we sold material, food, and weapons to all of its countries. And the great depression wasn't caused by lower taxes, it was caused by the stock bubble bursting and loss of faith in the banks. Nothing your retarded tax hikes would ever fix.

The point is no source can be completely trusted. You have to learn to think for yourself.

>$10.6 trillion on Bush's last day
>$19.3 trillion after 8 years of Obama
I don't need to get my opinions from politifact or wikipedia. These statistics speak for themselves.

Just swallow the red pill already, dumbass.

>You have refuted nothing. Their "fact-checking" is clearly biased.
talking about the cherry picked democrat statements compared to the super random replubican ones man
no shade

Just from what I see in media, see in people I work with and interact with and in day to day life I can make the assumptions that one, there is no unified culture in the US. There are too many different cultures. Two, race change is happening so fast soon whites will be a minority and the majority will inevitably have different values. There is no working model for a modern functioning human in US culture currently. It's either going to be a leap forward with all non whites killed or the world will become washed in a bacterial wave of brown that will destroy itself, making way for the next intelligent form of life.

Lol hillary would be 5th neocon term, Obama did nothing to change policies

assuming businesses always go where the best conditions for making money exist, wouldn't that mean that the usa would have to lower its standards in terms of basically everything (*not* just taxation, but also regulations, essential working conditions and other things) down to that of china?
pretty much every "developed" country is evolving from being about production to being about management and trade, because competing with the standards of a country like china would mean throwing away all the protections your state provides.
sure, reducing taxes also helps management and trade, but trump made the argument in favor of competing with china in terms of production, which is kind of silly.

Iran deal is not supported by neocons

Trump wants to repeal the Iran deal, Hillary wants to keep it. Hillary means no war with Iran.

>Top 1% pays 40% of all tax

>the fundamental problem of allowing private capitalists have control over a massive sector of our economy
That's only because you see it as a problem. Politicians having massive control is a far greater threat. See, the death toll under communism.

And by the way, capitalism was a derogatory term coined by Marx. The unbiased terminology is "free market". What the fuck is wrong with a free market?

Wikipedia is useless for anything regarding politics. I only use it for history or media research now.

It also layed down the foundation to our modern infrastructure. Which now needs greatly repaired but thats another thread

>politifact is completely fair except for when they are not
>politifact is allowed to favor liberals whenever they want so long as they generally appear fair
That's not how it works, retard.

...

Iran had nukes before this deal. They left them out for our satellites to see. This whole deal thing is a political football, which you should recognize a priori by the way it's bandied about as a campaign trail football.

>another trickle down economics bait thread
nobody with actual economic knowledge uses that term seriously, ill litterally paypal you 100 euros if you can find someone that did.

No, the argument is to prevent the outsourcing altogether by taking away the financial incentive to do so by raising the tariffs on imported goods. President McKinely essentially did the same thing and the economy blossomed during his short administration.

You can make business friendly decisions but at then end, you have to cut off the leg of your competition if you want to stand a reasonable chance. We just don't have to resort to leftist autism, which makes things worse out of a desire to keep people from being better than you.

Lol West attacked Libya despite agreement, american guarantees are not worth the paper they are printed on

this.

please OP provide one shred of evidence that shows how clinton is any different.

>the USA
>socialist

>le stoopid poor people meme

But the rich don't invest in building projcts or create jobs not when they can invest on markets leeching off the chinese exports. Problem is that this will make average american lose purchasing power which will lead in to falling consumption. Ofcourse the markets will adapt and offer products more cheaply but this will cut into corporate and investor profits making investment less lucrative. Trickle down and giving constant tax benefits to the "job creators" is nothing more than a national (and ultimately global) economic death spiral.

How are those ALL WHITE western European cultures working out?

Has nothing to do with skin color you moron. Has to do with MSM and horribly doubled-down progressive outlook which affects every race.

Not an argument.

>giving money to the state to have the wealth supposedly trickle down
>somehow this isn't trickle down economics

An opinion so dumb, only a leftist could believe it. I mean holy shit, leftists are fuckig stupid.

OPs own chart shows that it was adding women to the workforce, not taxes, that fucked everyones wages

this is why sexism is being pushed as forbidden, they don't want the middle class to figure it out

Shrinking and destroying the middle class is not economic sanity.

i don't think a comparison to McKinley is fair, because the global economy works differently today.
when dealing with current economic solutions, you sadly can't take solutions from a bunch of decades ago and apply them today just because they worked back then (arguing in favor of keynesian economy because it worked before ww2 isn't a good idea either).
increasing the tariff on imported goods prevents an economic evolution towards management and trade, or at least makes it more difficult.
even if the idea is to reduce outsourcing, i can see this resulting in strong and terrible side effects.
if companies can't outsource and focus on management (management in the us, production in a shitty country) then they might just move entirely.
i think the entire argument to bring back production jobs in the us in areas that are already being dominated by china or similar countries is bullshit.
to compete you need to lower your standards to those of whom you're competing with, and i doubt anybody in the usa would want that just in exchange for a guaranteed (and arguably as a result of that terrible) job.

>NO HE DIDN'T FAGGOT
>Posts fake quote

>muh communism
Government ownership wasn't what directly caused most of those deaths, and employee ownership certainly wasn't because almost none of those states had employee ownership. Also, capitalism has killed millions as well.
>what's wrong with a free market
In theory, nothing. In practice, it won't last.

It's these shill threads that really make /pol relevant maybe just trolls though idk

but i want social security gone

the tariffs are to deter the jobs from leaving, the tax cuts will bring back the jobs

i'd also like to add that i think that the presidential candidates know this, but bring up this argument to grab votes in the many production areas that were lost.
i also consider clinton's argument in favor of renewable energy bullshit, because this is an industry that can easily be dominated by china (and already is, to some degree).
the general approach, to invest into emerging industries where china might not be able to compete because of certain conditions to eventually evolve the us econonmy, isn't such a bad idea, but renewable energy might not be the best example for this (that being said, parts of the us could actually be able to compete with china because of a local use for it).

Everyone knows Hilary is a Neocon Warhawk with a D in front of her name. She's literally female GWB.

>Reagan and GWB destroyed this nation when they slashed taxes on the wealthy and put the tax burden on the middle and poor class.

they didn't slash tax on the wealthy, they slash tax on companies.
imagine starting a company with 30% tax rate, its not worth it

Trickle down would've been a valid policy in times of largely national production producing products for national consumption protected by high import tariffs.

In modern freetrade global economy trickle effect takes place in places like China and Vietnam but not in the west.

Put the tax burden on the poor? You mean by bringing in higher paying jobs? Do you even know what the fuck you're talking about?

How is it trickle down if you're literally taking money out of investors pockets by maintaining production in the USA?

555 for truth. Meanwhile 'nam turned into a westernized shithole plundered by Western corporations and the government has gone hard on capital controls so that even small peeps can't jump ship and take too much wealth with them.

China is a wasteland.

NPR was having an expert discussion about this yesterday. They couldn't explain why it would be impossible or a bad idea, but they all agreed that bringing production back was out of the question and fundamentally impossible.

sums up well what i was trying to say in

>share of income

Post actual income levels instead of some invented problem.

>even if the idea is to reduce outsourcing, i can see this resulting in strong and terrible side effects.
it won't have terrible side effects.
the reason companies outsource is to cut costs. but if they won't outsource it won't kill them. paying people the pay they deserve for the work won't kill them as a company. it would just artificially drive up the costs of their product which people won't buy if they do that anyway.

"Trumped up, trickle down economics"

When she said this I couldn't stop laughing

Ian rich. I would never vote for higher taxes. All of her tax proposals are shit her. Her 65% estate tax makes no fucking difference. You can already get away with not pay this by having a life insurance policy on estate for the amount in taxes. At the end of the day I can always find a way to pay less taxes.

You shills just don't get it do you? Are you blind? Did you even see what just happened?

Did you catch it? It was happening right before your eyes the entire night. Did you even get the point? No..? Let me clarify.

This entire debate was nothing more than a beta test for Trump. An analysis of Clinton. What makes her tick.. What are her weak spots.. He was simply watching her. Probing her.. Studying and diagnosing her every move and tactic. And she fell right into his trap like the pawn she is.

This is not an average man you're dealing with here. Make no mistake, this is a genius beyond your wildest nightmares. He was toying with her like a cat with a mouse, while she was fighting for her life. She has nothing left.

Now that he has a full mental blueprint of his enemy there is nothing that can stop him. Expect something out of this world in the next 2 debates. Something unprecedented in all of modern politics.

Mark my words, the lion has been let out of the cage, and he's hungry tonight. So go now, hillfags, retreat to your twitter and your reddit accounts. Rejoice with your friends for this short lived victory. Pray to your false gods while you still have the faith.

NOTHING is going to prepare you for the storm which is about to come. You WILL be brought to heel before winter ends.

Yeah, yet every excuse a company makes for moving a factory elsewhere is to 'improve profitability'. If the company was in the black before outsourcing, and outsourcing just improved the profits, it is obviously feasible to keep production in the US.

The problem is people still believe the textbook Jew, that moving production overseas leads to lower prices for the consumer, not more profits for investors. Yeah, that iPhone and Ford pickup truck sure are priced low.

The best part was that she was all set up for a big crowd reaction and they didn't pan up the laugh track on the feeds.

It was like Dat Gary paying for internet memes.

Trump is the only person in the past 50 years to get the nomination from either major party who has a chance to change the government. I'm hoping he is a molotov cocktail thrown into the government so that we can rebuild it more in line with the founders' vision. If all he does is implement his retarded economic policies then I will fully apologize for voting for him.

what the fuck does the debt have to do with middle class income?

are you 15 years old?

Sometimes I question if CTR is really here or if it is just paranoia. Maybe Cred Forums really is always right.

Your estate tax has a minimum level that can be summarized by saying: 'Unless you are living in a actual estate your children don't have to worry about estate tax'

Dude I had no idea these iphones costed the better part of $1k. Holy fucking shit. They've got this market coming and going. I at first was doubtful about why a certain thing I'm funded to work on was so secure in spite of big corporate problems reported in the news.

We have a bubble going on that people are only just beginning to be able to properly explain, because each expert is only looking at one side of it.

National debt in modern monetary system is matter most worrying to those who least understand it

are 2 years old?

its clearly adding women to the workforce where we went wrong, we doubled the supply of labor but didn't double the demand

I think it's a mix of both with some shit posters in there.

You started with a strong argument, then just followed through making yourself look retarded.

does consent exist?

>Reagan and GWB destroyed this nation when they slashed taxes on the wealthy and put the tax burden on the middle and poor class.

and GWB supports Hillary

you also missed girl power destroying demand for labor

Trickle up poverty doesnt work either numb nuts.

>trickle down
nice libtard meme

>Milton Friedman Speaks: Is Capitalism Humane?
youtube.com/watch?v=ORQtnQRqOKc

We had this conversation in a ancap/libertarian thread earlier today and dislike repeating myself too much within 24 hours.

kill yourself

A VAT and tax cut would encourage domestic growth. Dude more taxes LMAO Hillary will just encourage the richest people here to move their money overseas. Reagan and Bush were retards with international business friends that wanted their businesses to be able to move wherever its cheaper.

>but if they won't outsource it won't kill them
companies (in the neo-liberal sense that trump focuses on, big companies like GE) don't care about survival, they care about profit maximization.
what you said is true for small businesses, but i'd even argue that it isn't true for medium sized businesses.
as said, trump's proposed policy would work for small businesses, namely products that aren't hugely affected by global competition.

>implying the subprime mortgage crisis happened due to events only in '08 and that the dotcom bubble wasn't a thing/greatly aided the economy in the 90's

noice meme

Adding women to the workforce was coopting a good idea back into profit and power by doubling the tax base and further destroying the family for transhumanism.

Here this is good starter material
youtube.com/watch?v=O6ayb02bwp0

The economy crashed in 2008 because of Bill's housing policy you retarded faggot

Democrats: No trickle, just slavery with tokens to spend at the slave masters canteen.

Why don't you get it:
> The government doesn't produce anything.
> Corporations provide the services and the products.
> The government has given a monopoly to corporations (who lobby and bribe their way to them)

- Refuse government monopolies (apart from maybe on road repairs. You get to decide!)
- Replace those with companies staffed and owned by those who care about the quality of the end product (unlike in Flint, Michigan)
- This can't be done with corporations that will hire and fire and bring in immigrants (even from the next county) that they figure will fit with their objectives. Sub-par health and safety officers are a boon to cutting corners!

> it would just artificially drive up the costs of their product which people won't buy if they do that anyway.
...unless you force a compulsory purchase on them via the government. Who apparently don't care about debt.

> ALL children shall have the new macairbook345! not the old macairbook344! No expense spared for our corp...i mean children!

that graph isn't a good argument because it's stripping the entire context of how the economy changed during these years on a global scale.

The mortgage crisis happened because Jimmy Carter (Democrat) created a policy that Bill Clinton (Democrat) beefed up that required banks to give homeowner loans to people who couldn't possibly afford to pay back the loan. The banks balked but then they ate it up because the government (taxpayers) would foot the bill if the loan recipient couldn't repay (Of course they couldn't)

Want to keep going?

>totally wasn't bob ruben and the entire crowd that bill served as figurehead for

I can't wait until we get an open investigation of the clinton foundation you young fucks can learn what's been going on. Broad discovery and RICO laws bitch. Day of the rope.

Social security is killing us you moron. It wasn't terrible when people only lived long enough to collect for a few years, but now we have 15% of our population on the dole, and its climbing every year

And thanks to improving medical technology, they'll live even LONGER

Wow this thread is really annoying

Like you can just smell how buttmad OP is and I can't help myself becoming sympathetically buttmad simply as a result of the sheer amplitude of OP's temper tantrum

man

It would have been manageable too if we plunder the coffers of it as well.

Try somewhat Harder. Klinton is a Bloshevik. The past 8 years we have seen record taxation and still run defects. What's next years budget look like $4 trillion? Klinton also wants to expand the government and continue to bring in refugees and low skill people. Wait, I thought due to automation we need high skill labor? I guess if you believe the Arkancide Klinton crime syndicate, then you will believe anything. Klinton has no plan. She simply parrots what her puppet masters want. She is owned by the likes of Goldman Sachs. Notice how well she flowed through the last debate? Typical race baiting questions and feel good bullshit that meant nothing. Wait until the next debate. Better yet, go to a Trump debate and stand in line with the 30,000 other people. I hope the Free Shit Army is willing to vote multiple times, otherwise, she is screwed.

>seemed like he tripled the national debt
>SEEMED

you're a fucking idiot

>Klinton is a Bolshevik
Now that's just a retarded statement there.

Social security is a completely shit idea, though.

For it to keep working, you need to have an infinitely growing population in a country of finite size, which isn't possible.

>Klinton is a Bloshevik.
It's poorly spelled but that's about it. She even had modified her talking points from the DNC position of assuming all of Trump's positions to starting to turn them outright Communist the other night.

Do you even know her history or that of her fellow Chicago crowd?

Guns, you insufferable faggot. Guns. Try stealing this election; we can civil war about it if you do.

DOES CONSENT EXIST?

yes so they will replace big manufactures. that's the goal.

There are no coffers. You don't get paid what you paid into it. Social security isn't a fund. It's just young people straight up paying old people to exist.

>Clinton
>Anywhere near communist
Don't make us look stupid in front of the international crowd please

Weren't you listening? Put the tax burden on imported goods so companies who manufacture overseas will get to burden the taxes. More jobs at home. Lower taxes on business at home? More jobs at home. Larger salaries. Why are lefties so fucking stupid?

That's not how social security works. There is a social security fund set up where all the SS taxes are placed into. Its meant to be for social security only. The government has raided this fund multiple times, meaning that it'll be going bankrupt in the next 10-20 years.

>I don't know anything about Economics: the post

so essentially you're advocating for big businesses to leave, to drop those jobs and then attempting to achieve near-autonomy by increasing import tariffs and building up small and medium sized cooperations?
pretty sure living conditions would be pretty bad with that.

Eventually, you will be old too.

Did you even listen to the debate? At every turn when she didn't have to position herself as Trump 2.0 it was the same Communist indoctrination bleeding out.

Do you or do you not know about the Jewish Neocon Bolshevick Chicago Communist Mafia Filth? Bonus points if you can connect Obama to this mess.

>Jewish Neocon Bolshevick Chicago Communist Mafia Filth
You having a laugh right now m8?

>Establishment candidate
>communist
wut

Sorry, did I trigger you?

Would you like to tie the Italian and Jewish mafia together? The answer is easy.

...

This is a more complicated issue to address. I'm not quite sure what the story is there, but I would for instance recommend The Deliberate Dumbing Down of America as an in. It gets a lot bigger from there, but it's a good grounding point.

>protip

No one has ever pushed anything called "trickle down economics"

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Yeah but now we are on record pushing Trumped up Economics.

What a time to be alive.

Bill Clinton repealed laws on financing as well, 'it's the economy, stupid'

yes because big businesses don't create as much jobs like small businesses and not much of use when the ceo get 100000% more salary than everyone at the company. not worth investing in, so fuck off

If it's not worth investing in then why don't you just tank it on your jew stock market? Don't you even know how jew tricks work?

No and it has never existed. The state allows you to have property and to pass it onto your children. This is the right of the strongest. If you don't like it move to a desserted island where there is no other humans around. Everywhere else it is the strong who dominate the weak. State is stronger than you so learn to deal with it.

Boy you guys must really be despirate. That trickle down economics has been replaced by Trickle Down Taxation. That is even older and has never ever worked.

Let s see how trickle down taxation is going for you: unemployment is so high you have to lie about who is actually working full time for a living.

Tent cities of homeless going up on the west coast in most of the major cities.

You are taxing sooooo much that in order to keep the money supply up you have printed up how much additional debt? 10 trillion for a total of twenty trillion in national debt.

Your Trickle Down Taxation is insanity and will probably get a couple of billion people killed by the time it's said and done.

You socialist never learn.

TPP IS KILLING small business. How it that working for ya.

managers and investors of the company in charge of their employees just like anything else.

lets say nike is based in america, manufacturing base in vietnam. the abuse kids for 1$ a day. then store the cash in Switzerland, then buy houses in America.

there should be a fine line on how to do business

Yeah but you see the """investment""" is all locked up in keeping the juice flowing at any cost, so you can't use logic anymore at that point.

Kind of like how ultimately all the """investment""" is tied up in retirement programs and pensions to hold the old people at ransom. These will be plundered for bail-ins and extracted during the course of death care etc.

>allowing private capitalists have control over a massive sector of our economy.
The private sector IS the economy

>he told the truth only 3 times
wow, guess #imwither now

obama cut the budget deficit by 75%. these retards will never understand.

Trickle down doesn't work when you lower taxes and increase spending (Bush eras).
It does work when you lower both.

Why is this not obvious?

One of the unsung hero points of Trump's middle-range performance the other night was when he went on a rage attack about the Federal Reserve to pound down the point that we're coming up to the cusp of an unprecedented bubble bigly and we'd better get our shit together if we want to have any hope of getting through it.

All the stupid people missed that intervention.

Tell me what policies Obama implemented that did this.

>Some far-right movements, such as the Nazis

well where is the money? muh transparency didn't work. and its not working.
someone is messing with the money in a way that shouldn't be messed with

Are you that jobs report leaf? Go fuck yourself. Millions of minimum wage PART TIME jobs is not job growth in fact it shows stagnation and unwillingness to keep workers on a full time dole because of shit like pension and SS, that's why corporations are moving overseas our beaurecratic red tap and high taxes stranglehold businesses so while yeah they could have more full time workers in the US it's not feasible because of the benefits they are entitled to give to these workers so they just go overseas, if you give incentive and cuts businesses will have room to pay citizens full time and have profit left over to pay for job securities.

>where is the money
Hah, too right.

The money is all just contracts. We don't have enough money anymore to backstop the contracts. That's what they call leveredge. Everything is so stupidly overleverdged that a feather on the back of a camel could cause the whole thing to crash down, but only if the council of rabbis arbitrage it to be so.

Thin skinned, incoherent and easily rattled.

Reagan reduced unemployment rate more than any president ever in his second term

>trickle down economics
It's a term thrown at conservatives to discredit them, and at best it's a gross misrepresentation of credible economic theories like supply-side economics.

youtube.com/watch?v=SPEgFO9r1cI

>Implying real GDP didn't rise 32% under Reagan
>Implying real GDP hasn't only risen 10% under Obama

Historically, what doesn't work is merely exiling these people when they get out of hand, because then they start it back up next door.

Nor do public executions work.

What works is public education.

Op;
I will help you understand how the world works.
So that when you leave community college you can prosper.
In central Florida, Govenor Rick Scott
Gave Embraer a 20.8 Million dollar tax cut.
As a result Embraer, is Outsourcing jobs from
Brasil (3rd world) to Florida (modern world)
As a result they are building two facilitites to staff with high paying jobs.

Jobs for professionals and non professionals paying in the top 10%.

Do you know why Embraer is outsourcing to Florida.
Because Brasil makes it impossible to do work there, with shit labor unions that demand 6 weeks paid vacation and are impossible to fire.
Q.E.D.

Yea, its much better for us to raise taxes and put all that money under the control of highly corrupt politicians so they can pay off their backers.

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Then how do you asplain 20 trillion in debt?

Yeah because we have horrible trade deals and tariffs. If a corporation wants to bring money here they get taxed 35% percent. All Hillary wants to do is raise taxes. We need that money coming back to the USA so it's spent and recirculated back into our economy.

You should stop being a fag,
and apply for one of these high paying jobs,
If you get hired and make 70k a year.
You can thank Rick Scott
Maybe you two can enjoy capitalism

I really love this false meme.

Unless you're a business owner, cutting taxes will actually lower your income.

Due to lax immigration laws, companies will always pay the lowest amount they can so their employees can survive.

There is no reason for someone like me to raise my employees' wages regardless if I'm having higher profits or not because immigrants and visa holders make then replaceable. It just goes against common business sense and it's amazing how dumb repubes still believe it.

TLDR: Republicans and conservatives are morons.

Winter is coming

Cutting taxes without curbing government spending is always a recipe for disaster.

Tax cuts work if you aren't spending $2000 on a stapler.

>this level of reality denial

Obama blames bush for latent impact of economic policies but clinton doesnt have to thank 12 years of republican leadership for the 90s? Derp.

if ur gdp rises debt don't real

I wouldn't say Wikipedia is blatantly leftist. I would say that its articles are formed on the basis of prevailing knowledge and as anyone knows that can be either just fine or total horseshit.

big government is economic delusion and massive inflation

based canadian

It's about lowering taxes so jobs stay here and raising them so if they leave the company is fucked. Wages we will fix later.

The sad thing is even Wikipedia is a vast bastion of unbiased learning these days compared to where people spend most of their internet time.

to try an make that comparison at all implies you dont really have any idea what you are talking about. The differences in those 2 time periods is staggering and the events have almost no similarity

Its like trying to compare a fire truck and an apple just because they are the same color. You can do it if you want but the results are entirely meaningless

but unemployment is back to pretty normal figures. Its a little higher than we would like it but we arent in crisis mode like we were 7 years ago. I know it feel like all the jobs are leaving but the economy is doing pretty damn well all things considered. Why would you fuck it all up out of fear of something we already go past?

Dude U6 unemployment is so bad it isn't even reported anymore even after they rigged it to fuck and back.

Now you have massive waves of students trapped in to debt that the (((government))) ruled they can't even default on so (((they))) can collect lifelong interest payments from the hopeless unemployed.

This is a total shitshow and only the legally blind can't see it.

>U6 unemployment
still far lower than 2009, under bush

That's HW not Dubya.

What do you want? Bad or worse? Want to talk about SHUTTING DOWN the M3?

This isn't about comparing different CIA neocon bullshit artists. It's about peaceful regime change and nothing short of it.

Well Reagan was dealing with a retarded thing called "stagflation", the deficit was almost nonexistent and his plan worked then
The issue is more that every republican since has tried the same plan as a solution to every problem

Every republican since? You mean just the Bush administrations? Bush bailed out the banks and doubled down on our education fiasco. Try again faggot

>this
"Economic sanity" has a 0% success rate over the past century. No thanks

Totally bluepilled faggot. Just keep letting them tell you its all ok while the world burns

My family was fine under Reagan m8

Why are you so poor?

... By giving Iran enough cash to purchase nuclear weapons of their own, to self-check their own uranium enrichment process, as well as a trade contract worth billions of dollars with China, as well as lifting its sanction?

Sounds like a great deal for iran desu

CAN YOU PLEASE JUST GO SUCK A FART OUT OF HER SNOOCH ALREADY? YOU'VE BEEN PAID. STOP SHITTING UP THIS BOARD. FUCK CTR. YOU ARE OF NO USE.

dude whats a snooch

sorry i'm old

I am an economist. Trump's tax policy sucks, especially the way he is framing it, but I'd still vote for him.

I see. Yes, I'll take economic advise from PIIGS anytime. Please say more.

Food stamps, social security, section 8 housing, corporate welfare, international welfare, federal student loans, just to name a few. Sense FDR we've had a lot of socialism,

This

>A snooch was a small leather pouch, sometimes perfumed with rose petals[3], used by Victorian women to contain and collect their flatulent gases. The lady would place the open snooch near her bottom end when the abdominal build up of a fart was felt and would then quickly close the snooch once the gas had been vented through her anus, trapping the flatulence inside[4]. These filled snooches were collected weekly by the snoochmaster general[5] and delivered to Her Majesty The Queen, who boosted national revenue by selling the packets of ladyfarts to syphilitic Frenchman, since that it was believed at the time that the aroma of the "exhaust of an English woman's rear" could stem the progress of the rampant disease[6]. It has historically been rumoured, but never confirmed, that Victoria kept a certain share of the snooches for her own personal use.