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Nazis were financed too, does that mean Nazism was an ideology of peace all along?

wrong

the middle east was super peaceful and welcoming to westerners in the 60's and 70's and it was an extremely popular tourist destination

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hippie_trail

>civilians simply defending their homeland

You have to have a pretty superficial understanding of politics and history to believe what is stated in that pic.
But then again this is Cred Forums...

>Drug dealer sells junkie heroin
>Junkie shoots up heroin
>Junkie dies of overdose
>Family of junkie freak out
>"These damn drug dealers killed my junkie son, he played no part in killing himself and had no responsibility for his own life. The drug dealers killed him. He had no choice but to shoot up that heroin once he bought it."

No denying Americans caused a lot of the destabilization in the Middle East. But Radical Islam is still a problem. Any ideology that supports sawing off kids heads, dropping gay people off of high structures blindfolded, and stoning women for being a victim of rape needs to get eliminated from the planet.

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>was/is a YUUUUUUGE mistake.
Seems to be working just fine for what (((they))) intended them to do.

Yes, the same Jews that self elected their kind in American politics had us fight their wars for them in the middle east under the guise of revenge. Destabilizing the middle east would allow them to acquire land and resource for their expansion into "Greater Israel". That and the vicious climate change rhetoric being pounded into American skulls to discourage us from middle eastern oil dependency.

America is just Germany 2.0. You have all been warned.

No it illustrates Trumps position and is the reason why I don't support Hillary because she wants to continue that crap.

but they were you faggot

the people fighting the US in Iraq had literally nothing to do with Al Qaeda, they were fighting because their families and homes were destroyed by US bombings

It is Islam.

Obviously it's a shit religion if white people can come in and make you do shot for them based on it

Middle east can be peaceful, because some parts of it were influenced by [not islam] or just were secular and authoritarian.

the problem is a lot more complex than just Islam, or even just """radical Islam.""" It's also a lot more complex than shortsighted American foreign policy, or imperialism, or post-WWI nation-state line-drawing.

It's a complex interplay of historical, religious, demographic, political, and economic factors. "Solving" one of those doesn't negate the entire scenario

>West get involved in the middle east in the 60s as part of the cold war competition with the USSR
>This is fine
>West get involved in the middle east in the early 2000s, again as a means to outmanoeuvre Russia etc
>Noooooo, what are you doing?!

No one here identifies as racist you cis idelogist.

Mind your adjetives.

this is why we hate cuckservatives like bush, globalists and jews.

try harder mudslim

radical islam is a problem, but only becuase the west enabled radical groups.

If Ghadaffi and Hussein were still in power ISIS never would have existed and there would be no refugee crisis

If Russia gave billions of dollars worth of weapons and training to Radical christian militias in America then those militias would be just as bad as ISIS

but would that be the fault of the militias or the fault of Russia?

The irony gave me cancer

Trump is ready to go to war with Iran. And that is 10000 times worse than attacking Iraq. It will lead to so much chaos in the region, so much death and it will increase terrorism in the world so much, i can't even fucking describe.

I thought we invaded Iraq for """"""WMDs""""""", which was a cover up for taking oil.

Why do libtards keep trying to conflate the continuation of the Gulf War with action after the 9/11 Islamic terrorist attacks?

The US and it's allies attacked and overthrew the government of Afghanistan for their actions in supporting the training of the Islamic terror group that attacked the US.

Which has nothing in any way to do with the restarting of hostilities in Iraq.

Islamic terrorists attacked the USA; Supported by Islamic governments. How is that not an issue with Islam and Islamic governments?

wtf i hate america now!

/thread

>Radical christian militia
Lol what?

Isn't islam supposed to be an agressive rob-n-kill-erry1 ideology following it's fucking pedo leader?

Don't push it, don't blame america straight off the bat. Make people blame america on their own.
Jewish tactics 101. You don't plant the whole fucking tree at once, you only need to plant the seed watch it grow.

This is how you redpill people.

probably because Osama bin Laden expressly named the brutal American embargo of Iraq and the military presence in the Gulf as a motivation for 9/11

IDK THO

The U-S.S. Cole Bombers
The Madrid Train Bombers
The Bafi Nightclub Bombers
The Buenos Aires Suicide Bombers
The Israeli Olympic Team Attackers
The Kenyan U.S, Embassy Bombers
The Saudi, Khobar Towers Bombers
The Beirut Marine Barracks bombers
The Besian Russian School Attackers
The first World Trade Center Bombers
The Bombay & Mumbai India Attackers
The Achille Lauro Cruise Ship Hijackers
The September 11th 2001 Airline Hijackers
The Paris Assassins
The San Bernardino attackers
The Orlando shooter
Were MUSLIMS
Think of it:
Almost every religion in the world living together = No Problem
Muslims living with other religions = Problem
MUSLIMS LIVING WITH MUSLIMS = BIG PROBLEM
**********SO THIS LEAD TO *****************
They’re not happy in Gaza Egypt Libya Morocco Iran Iraq Yemen Afghanistan Pakistan Syria
Lebanon Nigeria Kenya Sudan
******** So, where are they happy? **********
They're happy in Australia England Belgium France Italy Germany Sweden USA & Canada Norway & India and
in almost every country that is not Islamic! And who do they blame? Not Islam... Not their leadership... Not themselves... THEY BLAME THE COUNTRIES THEY ARE HAPPY IN!! And they want to change the countries they're happy in, to be like the countries they came from where they were unhappy
!!!!
Islamic Jihad:
ISIS:
Al-Qaeda:
Taliban:
Hamas:
Hezbollah:
Boko Haram:
Muslim Brotherhood:
Lashkar-e-Taiba:
Palestine Liberation Front:
= AN ISLAMIC TERROR ORGANIZATION

probably also because the Iraq War was pitched to the public on the basis that Saddam Hussein had ties to al-Qaeda and islamist terror

BUT IDK

There are tons of radical Christian militias in America. Waco, Ruby Ridge, Michigan Militia, the list goes on

>brutal American embargo

WTF?

First that was UN embargo and second how the fuck is not willing to trade with someone brutal?

Lastly in what fucking world is refusing to trade with someone justification for mass murder? Oh and Islamic one. That's why Islam must be destroyed.

>Some guys from Timbuktu blow up a building in New York
>Claim that American atrocities in the Vietnam war was part of why they did it.
>Well I guess we're going to Timbuktu... AND VIETNAM!

>using the same "victims should be allowed to sue gun manufacturers" fallacy

I bet you think your fork is at fault for making you fat.

>an invasive and inherently violent death cult decided it had no more enemies after conquering the middle east in north africa for two decades during the 60's and 70's

too bad it isn't the 60's or 70's

At the end of the day, this was all done to keep America strong and in power. And honestly, I have no problem with that.

This is true except that every group we funded formed some kind of oppressive fundamentalist Islamic dictatorship with what we gave them. If they'd stopped being murderous faggots, we'd stop trying to put a boot in their ass

Well duh, our president is a radical muslim

probably that same UN estimated half a million Iraqi children died because of it. Who knows tho

and*

>the problem is america
>mohammad jihading in 600 ad was caused by america 1,100 years before it was founded

newfag

lurk more

to /sg/ with you

Yeah, forgot about Ruby Ridge conquering huge swathes of land, beheading infidels and apostates, taking women as sex slaves, supporting foreign terror, etc.

Hillary wants to go to war with Russia, Ivan. If I were you I would pray that Trump gets elected or else you're last vision while alive will be of a mushroom.

Dictatorship is the only way to rule in the mid east. Or you can be like Israel and put walls everywhere.

The Iraq war was justified and pitched to them public because Iraq invaded Kuwait.

That war never ended, only a cease fire was reached which Iraq violated something like over 1000 times by targeting US and UK aircraft with targeting radar while enforcing the UN's no fly zone.

Further Iraq as part of the cease fire had to allow and aid UN weapons inspectors. Something they didn't do. For an example of a compliant government being inspected take a look at South Africa when they gave up their nuclear weapons program.

Lastly Iraq had illegal WMD by the UN definition in the form of modified extended range SCUD missiles.

So, Iraq had illegal WMD. Iraq violated the Gulf War cease fire. Iraq hindered the weapons inspection program.

Pick one or all as justification for an invasion of Iraq.

Not even counting the genocide the Iraq government attempted on their Kurdish population.

>probably that same UN estimated half a million Iraqi children died because of it. Who knows tho
So what?

All Iraq had to do was comply with the UN demands and the embargo would be lifted. It wasn't brutal, no one has an obligation to trade with anyone else you can't blame the world for the state of Iraq because they refused to trade with them.

>he doesn't know it was worth it

youtube.com/watch?v=RM0uvgHKZe8

Just checked out the Waco.

>Houteff founded the Davidians based on his prophecy of an imminent apocalypse involving the Second Coming of Jesus Christ and the defeat of the evil armies of "Babylon".[10]

>Second Coming of 83
>apocalypse

A sect.

Also checked out Michigan.

Christian movements divide into:
- white supremacists
- isolated fanatics group
- sects based on second coming/apocalypse
- ?

Islamic movements based on actions of their prophet and his words from Quran divide into:
- terrorist groups trying to destabilize or conquer "dar al harb" (home of war, territory of kufr, YOUR country, MY country, any land without Sharia Law)

But if any christian group will try to conquer muslim lands I would join it and help it, because these agressive schisslamic guys should die for all their shit.

Did you have any real Islamic terror in the U.S.A apart from 9/11 ?
I don't think so. As much as I hate shitskins and the skypes that live there, you destabilised them.
If they want to do their shit in the desert, let them do. Imagine if the Chinese came to America in 1776 and wrecking your shit while saying that you can't have a Republic because they didn't like it?

We're not gonna talk about how we are paying these sand niggers to not sand chimp out and they're still doing it?

Isn't that a breach in the NAP?

well its russias fault for buying all the heroin smuggled in through kazakhstan so that funds the terrorist groups too

also who overthrew the Shah of Iran?

Russia is just as at fault for the problems in the middle east as America is

>Did you have any real Islamic terror in the U.S.A apart from 9/11 ?

Do I need to list every attempted terror plot in the US?

Every Islamic mass shooting?

Every Islamic terror attack on US military forces?

>trained and funded by

Honestly, based on the behavior in the west, I hope Islam takes over.
I'm not even white, so it doesn't matter as far as I'm concerned, but whites are huge degenerates, so if they want to bring about their own destruction, who am I to stop them?
Especially white women, they're the worst of the worst.

Nah, it's Pisslam.

Before the 9/11, on the US soil and that was explicitly Islamic.

Spotted the kike.

Israel is the primary cause of destabilization in the ME.

They bombed the WTC before in 1993.

It's hard to find the explicitly Islamic ones when 3 days after Obama and his goons COORECT THE RECORD and say that the pulse nightclub shooter wasn't a Muslim and delete his statement to 911

Why can I only give a source for something 15+ years ago and why can't it include legally allowed US citizens outside of the US?

If US citizens were attacked in Japan by Islamic terrorists how is that no proof of problems with Islam?

Even better what does your question have to do with my rejection of the the OP picture?

Right, it's America's fault people choose to carry out acts of terror in the name of their religion. There are millions of Americans armed to the fucking teeth and you can't even begin to compare "mass shootings" in America to worldwide terror attacks (let alone their distinct motivations).

Islam is obviously a tool of the power elite, but it doesn't somehow disqualify thousands of years of slaughter merely because some bankers and military-men funded some subversives to fight Russia three decades ago in Afghanistan.

ISIS chooses to do what it does, none of them had to sign up and they could easily turn on them, even if there are supposed monetary incentives. The people who carry out the acts are ultimately responsible. America didn't carry out the terror attacks in France, we simply didn't, that was Islam and only Islam.

That's not pre-9/11.

the third jihad wave has started in 90s

They also shot some peeple at the CIa headquarters, also in 1193.

And bombed the US embassy in Lebanon in 1983 AND 1984. Also more embassies in Kenya and Tanzania in 1998.

CIA, 1993*

>u should allow ur government import psychopath muslims to kill you because ur government abused their big guns

And why did they attack New York City?

>I'm not even white,
then what are you?

there are plenty of proud nations without white people, why don't you go to one of those?

is it because everywhere else sucks? that white nations are the only that are capable of the lifestyle you prefer? what does that say about what ever you are? probably not to much if i were to guess id say you were mexican, or poor asian. am i right?

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/False_dilemma

Both the Neocon foreign policy was a disaster *and* Islam is a supremacist bloodthirsty expansionist political ideology that needs to be wiped out.

Someone needs to make a Hitler version for every retarded meme like this one
>So let me get this straight...
>an Austrian painter...
>goes to war becasue emperor got muredered...
>sees his comrades killed by French and British soldiers...
>so he becomes the chancellor of Germany
>and starts a war
>AND THIS IS SOMEHOW NATIONAL SOCIALISM'S FAULT????!!!!!

How was the Bush era foreign policy bad? Or is the Obama policy just so much worse?

>killing millions of civilians

>citation needed

>it can't be the fault of backward cultures AND jewish military contractors

Obama's was merely a continuation of Bush.

Bump

So Obama is a neo-con?

Cred Forums agrees with the image, which is why most people hate Hillary. Except for one thing, guess what "ISIS" stands for?

>

archive.is/q07F9

Something people should realize about Afghanistan in the 1980s is that the Mujahideen that fought the Soviets and the communist Afghan government was an alliance of different parties, at one point it was five, at one point seven, at one point eight.

Anyway, the U.S. sought to apply a lesson learned from Vietnam that in determining what local groups to support, it should defer to people who had more understanding of the area. To do this, we largely deferred to the Pakistanis, particularly the ISI intelligence service. Among the party alliances fighting the Soviets, the Pakistanis favored the Hizb-i-Islami led by Gulbuddin Hekmatyar, which was fairly radicalized from the start (this must be distinguished from the Hiz-i-Islami led by Yunus Khalis and Abdul Haq, the latter of which was killed by the Taliban prior to September 11, along with Ahmad Shah Massoud, another Mujahideen leader, in a separate attack.)

The Pakistanis support Hekmatyar heavily over the other groups, which were not as fundamentalist and one of the major groups was actually monarchist, and they fought primarily in southern Afghanistan. We just sort of blindly trusted the Pakistanis.

The Taliban themselves were not as directly formed out of the party alliances in the war. The Taliban really got their start from the surge in Wahhabi Madrasas that formed in the Pakistan border areas during the war. The war created a generation of male orphans who were educated in the Madrasas that were highly influential and preached Wahhabism, which is the glue of Al Qaeda and the Taliban.

Osama bin Laden's direct role in the resistance against the Soviets was small in comparison to other rebel commanders like Massoud and Haq, the latter which actually constructed an effective insurgent network in Kabul and the former which held out in the Panshir mountains for most of the war.

tl;dr The role of the US in supporting bin Laden is often overinflated and it was more indirect support and overall the fault of Pakistan

Islamic state in Syria?

>america helped create radical islam therefore radical islam has nothing to do with it

en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Salafi_movement

Also hillary

>this is your problem, America*, fix it
>*specifically conservative white males

Originally they were the ISI, the Islamic State if Iraq. Then they became ISIS; which is generally considered the Islamic State of Iraq and Syria, but actually means Islamic State of Iraq and al-Sham. Al-Sham (or Sham) is a historic region of the middle east that includes Syria and the Levant (Lebanon, etc). The US government tends to stick with ISIL which is Islamic State of Iraq and Levant (more accurately referring to the term al-Sham). However, they just call themselves IS or Islamic State, following the notion that they aspire to be a worldwide Caliphate.

The thing to understand about Caliphates in generally is they rely on some degree of conquest to maintain cohesiveness. One of the more successful caliphates was the Umayyads who sustained themselves through conquest after the death of Mohammad.

This argument would be fine, if world history started a century ago.

Why are there mosques in Spain?

Also OP is a cocksucker who won't respond to well-informed/logical posts like:

There are many things incorrect with this picture and other parts of the narrative left out but since no one pays me to correct retardation I'll just let this go.

It's amazing how people act like Islamic violence is a new concept. There's a picture that gets posted every so often the stays "Everything I needed to learn about Islamic I learned in 1453" (referring to the Fall of Constantinople) but I say fuck that, go back to 732, the Battle of Tours.

Having already conquered Visigothic (Christian) Iberia (except for Asturias and other kingdoms in the far north) the Muslims already invaded southern France. That's what's so hilarious about people saying the Crusades (which didn't even start until 1095) were pure offense, Islamic armies were already in fucking Europe as early as 732 and would not have stopped if they weren't beaten back by the Franks and particular Charles "the mother fucking Hammer" Martel.

The OP is typical bait and sliding, but it's funny when bait OPs still turn into decent discussions that help the average Cred Forumsack logically reaffirm his beliefs.

>implying you're not involved in a centuries long semitic religious war

I agree.
I'm more of an isolationist, so I don't think the wars were necessary, but they happened due to a multitude of factors, and Commie faggots who justify the actions of the FUCKING ENEMY against their own nation and blood deserve to be executed or excommunicated to the nations they protect, where they will promptly be "treated like royals".
Nothing I hate more than treasonous Cultural Marxists.

WTF I'm with her now.

99% of being a leftist is being ignorant of or outright ignoring historical fact.

It's actually true

Too bad when Obama came to power he didn't want to fix it, instead, he made the problem worse by creating ISIS.

Why the fuck are OccupyDemocrats complaining about this and still supporting Hillary? Why do they ignore the fact that Saudi Arabia donated her money?

Idiot. You have no idea how people here think. Lurk more or just shut the fuck up.

But senpai I thought we were on the "wrong side of history"

As someone who reads a lot of history books, that phrase makes my blood boil, not because it's "wrong" but because it's a platitude that means nothing. It means nothing. Like so many things they say, they just repeat mantras, dogmas, and other empty phrases and then act like they're the smug intellectuals.

A lot of people associate dogma with religion, and for a decent reason, but at least religious dogma is/was generally based on scripture, whatever that worth is depends on your beliefs, but liberal dogma is based on nothing.

These kind of developments are nuanced and don't have any single cause. Despite the cluster fuck of the US Iraq war, ISIS still probably would not have formed if not for the Arab Spring and particularly the subsequent Syrian Civil War. ISIS, although originally formed in Iraq, was revived in Syria and then went into Iraq because it was an incredibly easy target.

I agree, it's kind of like saying 'this particular matchstick lit the fuse and no other one could do the same'.

Just adding to it, remember that the ISIS capital was and continues to be Raqqa in Syria and not Mosul in Iraq, despite Mosul being a much more strategically valuable city.

They're all hajis and they all need to be removed.

You leave one alive and the cycle just continues

It's still Islam, but yes the Bush-Clinton wars made it worse. Islamic terrorism wasn't invented in 2001, mind you. They were a problem in the 20th century and before (Attacks on Indian Christians/Hindus, Iran hostages, Yugoslav wars, attacks on Buddhists, attacks on Soviet Union, genocides by Ottoman Empire, slave trades, Tripoli, Nigeria genocides, etc etc)

Get with the program goyim. It's all the fault of the evil regime in Shia Iran, the mortal enemy of Sunni Wahhabi Saudi Arabia and ISIS, which supports Assad in Syria and thus we must support the same group that did 9/11 but with different name to make Assad go.

Wow. The US was a country in 600 AD.

I don't care whose problem it is because it isn't ours, we should make the migrants fuck off back to their sandnigger shitholes.

Right, and some of the causes of modern Islamic terrorism are rooted in previous US foreign policy decisions, but it doesn't make sense to lay it all at the feet of the US. Things are a complex chain of events.

Take Iran, pundits in the US point that sour US-Iranian relations go back to the Islamic Revolution and hostage crisis of 1979. A pundit in Iran will tell you that it goes back to the installing of the Shah into power in 1953. Well, it's both, but in addition to that, break down the Sunni-Shia rivalry for power in the entire region, represented by Saudi Arabi and it's satellites and Iran and it's satellites, respectively. Those tensions go back to the Islamic conquest of Persia in 650ish. In fact, the very adoption of Shia Islamic in Persia was a subsequent act of defiance and a way of keeping Persian culture separate from Arab culture, which Persians deemed innately inferior because Arabs had always been nomadic people where Persians have had organized civilizations predating the ancient Greeks. The US just inserts itself into a feud that goes back millennia and picked a side, the Saudis and particularly the al-Saud dynasty. Osama and Wahhabis hate the al-Saud dynasty and the US for supporting it.

Liberals aren't the only ones allergic to information. You gotta remember most people are apolitical. Remember back in 2002 how we were all fed bullshit about how Sadam Hussein and Osama bin Laden were allies in planning 9/11? Yet if you look back, in 1990 when Iraq invaded Kuwait, bin Laden himself offered his Islamic fighters to combat Sadam instead of the "Western mercenaries" (U.S. and friends). Your average person not only doesn't know about this stuff, they flat out don't care. I understand not caring about shit going on in shit holes, but it does matter when you start getting conned into doing stuff because you're not any wiser.

Islamic State of Irak and Syria

(((military industiral complex)))
(((America)))

>ignoring the casus for going into the middle east initially to blame the US instead of having a rational argument about the instigation of war
>thinking Islam doesn't teach terrorism and encourages people to conquer infidels
It's so funny how people don't understand that when terrorists literally say that they want to kill infidels/gays in the name of allah in accordance to the teachings of the koran that they have to find any other excuse in order to not offend muslims.

Yeah, sorry about the Islamic Invasion of Iberia. And the Ottoman Empire.

Does not trigger, I do indeed agree with the picture but you will have to notice that its obamas commands that led to this,while Trump,as we already know will nuke them.Hillary would just continue Obamas bullshit.

It's refreshing to see a Serbia than isn't a CTR proxy.