Libertardian hate thread

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Aren't roads a product of socialism? Who the fuck even needs roads REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

>Romania
>Doesn't need roads

Figured you guys still hadn't developed the wheel

It's pretty important to delineate between ancap cucks and classical liberal/minarchists like myself.

desu contracts can be enforced without government if reciprocal ethics are applied

begone

>MUH WHEELZ
Fuck off communist, I may live in the feudal age but at least my father ain't a prisoner

Why would they ever be applied if there are little to no consequences to do so?

So silly arguments.
Try harder.

same reason that credit score works despite defaulting on a loan not being illegal

also if you make a contractual agreement with someone and violate it, you're telling the world that you yourself don't think that contracts hold any weight, so you cannot object to other people breaking contracts with you for their own gain

>posts a child cartoon

Instead of using memes to project hatred against imaginary people, why don't you go out and argue against real people with real, but different beliefs?

This.
But then again, the world is full of idiots.

>Guy makes contract
>Guy breaks contract and screws other person
>Nobody makes contracts with guy anymore
Its pretty simple desu.

Ad Hom > Good argumentation
t. internet

>libertarian hate thread
>posts an cap memes

why are authoritarians so stupid that they cant tell the difference between the two

libertarians believe in limited gov and a constitution

Seems like the government also stole some of their IQ along with the money.

Without government ID system, how could you trust other person identity?

people could just assume a identity, break a contact, and then assume other identity.

Why don't libertarians celebrate Easter?

Libertarian and ancap is pretty much the same thing. Libertarianism is just the middle ground fallacy.

IQ redistribution when.

no, he's the town rapist

why would a person enact an important contract with somebody who has no record of existence?
wouldn't people be more likely to trust other people who have proof that they are who they say they are, and who have a long tradition of abiding to contractual obligations

Why?

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If in the same town, no way it'll work, as people happen to remember faces. Also, internet.

> libertarian and ancap are pretty much the same thing

Wew

>why would a person enact an important contract with somebody who has no record of existence?

Exactly my point.

> who has no record of existence?
Who would keep the records of existence?

>Libertarian and ancap is pretty much the same thing

Since when haslibertarianism become the same as ancap?

That is the most unbelievably retarded thing I've heard all day.

>government also stole some of their IQ a
Oh, that's (!) why people in Somalia are so smart - no schools and public universities to steal IQ from them!

>If in the same town
Unfortunally the world is large. USA alone has 350 million persons.

> Also, internet.
What of internet?

Post the ones where they eventually turn into a state.

>Libertarian and ancap is pretty much the same thing.

would people really pay for roads? if you try to drive on a road you didn't pay for they'd fire a tomahawk missile at you

The only difference is that libertarianism thinks that state can exist for some things. Other then that the ideology is exactly the same as ancap

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Implying this doesn't happen already.

You're a fuckin dumbass. Any "flaw" you find in Ancaps will be an already occurring event under socialist states.

Here comes the divides.

>Somalia
>Anarchy
Pick one.
So?
Word goes around fast.
>what of internet?
You can post shit about the guy, or whatever the fuck. Guaranteed not 100% succesful, but not a stupid idea. Especially if you got people backing your shit up.

My last answer at it's core had to do with the reputation of the person you are forming a contract with. This still applies to you're question. People who break contracts get a bad reputation. People assuming identities either have no reputation or are pretending to be someone who does have a reputation.
Let's assume we're talking about some serious deals, for example like a construction firm buying tens of thousands of dollars worth of steel for some project. They obviously wouldn't just buy it from some dude off the street nobody has heard of who says he has steel (the first case). In the second case the person impersonating the seller would have to be a pretty great actor/con artist to sell a bunch of steel he doesn't actually have, from a company he doesn't actually have connections to. He'd probably need multiple people to help him sell the illusion, and things would get complicated. Life isn't a hollywood movie.
As for government ids let's be serious. It's not like when a two companies sit down to make an agreement everyone in the room whips out their driver's license first to prove they are who they say they are.

What's so bad about Somalia, user? There's no state to opress you.

what is wrong with this? Only socialist cuckold babies would advocate for the peasent to steal the kings land.

>People who break contracts get a bad reputation.
Oh, so you broke international war by invading Iraq, but now you have a bad reputation there.

Seems fair.

There's no need for institutions preventing law infringement or anything.

>Implying this doesn't happen already.
It does, but it's hard to manufacture a complete identity. Also background checks are easier to make because of the data government collects directly and the data that government forces private companies to supply (for example, the labels in products).

>Any "flaw" you find in Ancaps will be an already occurring event under socialist states.

Literally not an argument. Just because modern states are shitty oesn't make ancap good.

well, i could always collect prior information on myself that had proof of my identity and address
obviously this might be sketchy, so i'd just pay some reputable business to verify the information for me in advance
there's loads of ways for me to get my information confirmed and to build up a reputation for something without government
ancap has loads of flaws, but i really doubt that this is one of them
people can proof that they are who they say they are without the initiation of force

If you we're renting an apartment from Donald Trump and were meeting him to sign your lease would you ask him to whip out his ID to prove who he is?

>when statists lump you in with statist libertarians

>>Somalia
>>Anarchy
Most of the territory is outside of central government control.

>So?
>Word goes around fast.
lol

>You can post shit about the guy, or whatever the fuck.
lol. But without government issued ID, what would you post about the guy? a bad photo? So whenever i had to deal with a guy i don't know i would have to check 500k photos to see if he was in some database?

Government sucks dick at accomplishing anything. It is a necessary evil at best.

Since when is the middle ground a fallacy.

>uh oh he has a point so I better come up with some ridiculous scenario that would never happen

government is a completely unnecessary joke. No government has ever been needed throughout mankinds history. The only government that has any legitimacy is a king.

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if ID is that much of a need, why wouldn't all people prove themselves by hiring the services of a reputable ID company that hands out ID cards to people at a fee. anyone who needs confirmation of the card can just send the relevant information to the company that distributed this particular card and have the card verified

proof of self works pretty well on the internet without government intervention desu

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Since always. If Sally wants to build a bridge and billy doesn't, the answer is not to build half of a bridge.

Wat?

The Iraq invasion never happened?
Good to know.

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ALL STATISTS HAVE STOCKHOLM SYNDROME

what exactly are you arguing?
how would the government of america be able to invade iraq if america had no government

>My last answer at it's core had to do with the reputation of the person you are forming a contract with
This works in small towns and villages. But move on to a middle sized city or New york.

>People who break contracts get a bad reputation.

But without government backed IDs you can't pin down previous crimes to someone you don't know. A criminal could just move to some other state and assume another identity.

>to verify the information
What information? Don't you understand that most of the background checks are based on data collected by government institutions (IRS, police...)? Who would collect data?

But unfortunately not everyone is as famous as Donald Trump

I don't think this is the same thing as building a bridge.

>Anything less than being able to tomahawk missile your enemies and enslave children is tyranny.

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I'm arguing against the retarded notion that "bad reputation" makes up for breaking the law.

RIGHT
I SHOULD MLVE TO A FAR BETTER PLACE WITHOUT GOVERNMENT

LIKE
UHM
DUNNO
SOMALIA OR WESTERN SAHARA?

>doesn't know what a fallacy is

Why are Cred Forumstards always so stupid?

>why wouldn't all people prove themselves by hiring the services of a reputable ID company that hands out ID cards to people at a fee.
Exactly. Right now we have one. It's called a government. Why are lolbertarians always so stupid?

>no state
>bunch of states trying to get to power
Okay mate
>lol
Are you implying that people would be quiet about it, and not spread it like herpes?
>only photos can ID
Forget all other methods, only images work, right?

Yep somalia was better without a govement than it is with goverment

remember people there have 70iq
look up actual stats

>>no state
>>bunch of states trying to get to power
There you have a argument against your utopia. That people, even niggers, will always band up and form governments

>Are you implying that people would be quiet about it, and not spread it like herpes?

No i wasn't. But you are right. Do you scream to the 7 winds that you were raped? or scammed? And even if they wanted to spread it, how would other people listen?

>Forget all other methods
Like?

>>no state
>>bunch of states trying to get to power
Funny, it's almost as if this is the natural state of nature, a struggle for power, that has to be regulated by institutions.

any information necessary to identify myself and my history. even a password or two would work
jesus dude, you can identify yourself without the government. the majority of identifications occur without the government. i identify myself with my pin-number most of the time i buy things.

bank wants proof of my history in order to gauge what rate it should loan me money at
i show him my [company name]TM card
bank recognises the legitimacy of the business, checks the validity of my card with [company name]
bank asks you to verify that you own the card, you submit your password or whatever the fuck is used to verify this
bank now knows that you are the person whose data is verified by [company name]
if it is important to you that people enter into contracts with you, you will have supplied [company name] with enough verifiable information about your past and such

also, [company name] will lose reputation if you break contract with the bank. [company name] will therefore pay people who can prove that you've broken contracts with them in the past, whether by yourself or through the ID checking system of [company name 2]

this is just off the top of my head and is probably flawed
but verification of self and past is not an issue without government, i could literally just gather proof of my previously completed contracts and show them to my new contract partner for smaller negotiations

And who's going to stop that company stealing your identity and selling on your personal data.
b-but muh NAP will stop them.
It's like you people don't understand how business becomes more efficient. They remove steps that aren't needed. Having loads of owners of different parts of road with different tolls etc is massively inefficient and would not work. Do they plan to have toll booths every 50 metres? You always rely on the oh people will group together and put at stop to the NAP breaker meme. You really think a group of people who are in conflict over everything from fishing rights, to land rights, to licensing to where they can dump waste, are going to band together for the 'greater good'. The weak submit to the strong and that is exactly what will happen. Someone will build an army and mop up the smaller settlements and so on until there are just a few large armies left aka states.
An caps always have these wild ideas as to how their meme ideology would work. But it doesn't work in the real world.

i'm not claiming that the government is incapable of providing the service of proving a person's identity, no need to strawman if your argument is so hot

>anarchist
>wants to form a government
And zionists want to destroy the jewish race.
>how would other people listen
I'm pretty sure I'd listen to someone telling about a scammer, as I'd preferably not get fucked over.
>like?
Basic description, like height, fat or not, etc.
You do know how to describe a man, even without an image.
Once again, no anarchist wants to create a government.
If they want to, guess what:
They aren't true anarchists.

>company steals my identity and sells my personal data
>i prove that they have
>people don't like having their identity stolen
>wow time to not file with this company

No, they weren't. Neither was Syria or Lybia.

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This could function with small scale bussineses, but not with large companies.

Remember when the british betrayed the poles and czechs before, during and after the WWII? No relevant nation stopped to signing contract with the british, despite their long history of breaking deals.

Same goes to the germans breaking the Versailles treaty

strawman etc i'm not arguing about roads and i didn't claim that i'm an ancap, i'm claiming that the basic service of proving that somebody existed in the past and is who they say they are is not something that is only possible for a government to fulfil

>They aren't true anarchists.
Says you.
And what if people don't agree with your childish utopia and try to seize power?

Libertarians are mostly nationalists that don't know better.

Epic post, I also have it saved.

Leftypol you're such a retard
I feel sorry for you, living in such delusion as to think without a government body people would be totally incapable of coalescing to achieve goals
Government is made of individuals, cut from the same cloth as the rest of us. If they can figure out a public solution, entrepreneurs can figure out a private solution.
The difference is there wouldn't be an absolute monopoly (as in no *potential* for competition) and their revenue would be gained through voluntary exchange rather than coercion.
All of the inanely trivial "problems" you raise could be solved by a few minutes of critical thinking. You seem to think mankind would forget how to breathe without a state giving instructions.

Never fails to make me laugh

>any information necessary to identify myself and my history. even a password or two would work
And i ask again. Who would compile this information? A private company? Would they compile information of people who can't pay? How would this private companies collect the data without breaking the NAP?

>also, [company name] will lose reputation if you break contract with the bank.

lol. Most of the shoes companies use almost slave labour and i don't see anyone caring about it.

Do you have any example of a sucessfull consumer boycott?

>of my previously completed contracts

But those contracts only worth something because they are guaranteed by the government of England. Anyone can make some contracts

this pretty much.

So no force majeure there? If a brick falls on my head so I cant do my part of one contract, I should never sign a contract again?

What if both sides are in breach or non-performing, eg. you havent been paid for work so you dont deliver on a milestone?

I love how all these hipster ideologies take place in completely fictitious conditions dreamt up by a 14 year old.

You are either trolling or you're genuinely a fucking retard.
>And what if people don't agree with your childish utopia and try to seize power?
Violates the NAP, meaning people'd open fire on the statists.

while it's definitely true that extremely powerful entities will be able to continue making deals with others if they break a few, i don't see how such a large entity could come to be without the existence of governments, and i don't see any solution to the problem of governments themselves breaking deals that involves further government power

The state you statists love is trying to solve the problems it created in the first place. That's the legitimization for it's existence.

A wealthy man with large amounts of land could wage war agains't a poorer man with less land.

That's more or less like the Ottoman Empire. Until the late XIX century all lands were considered property of the Sultan, and people with lands were just renting from him.
See how far the ottomans went.

>Who would compile this information? A private company?
yes, i said so.

>Would they compile information of people who can't pay?
if someone can't pay for the resources that it takes to put a bit of information on a server, why would they be able to enter a contract significant enough to damage the other person if it was broken?
what could they possibly be offering in return?

>Do you have any example of a sucessfull consumer boycott?
yes. pretty much every corporation that has ever gone out of business has done so because people have chosen not to buy their products because they're of a low quality

this board gets dumber every day

yes, this is entirely feasible
under what ideology is it not

>I'm pretty sure I'd listen to someone telling about a scammer,
Like i said, america is home to 350 million persons. I bet you don't even know 500 people.

>Basic description, like height, fat or not, etc
check above

>You do know how to describe a man
Check above.

>without a government body people would be totally incapable of coalescing to achieve goals
nice strawman

>Government is made of individuals, cut from the same cloth as the rest of us.
never said otherwise. Strawman again

> If they can figure out a public solution, entrepreneurs can figure out a private solution.
False equivalence. Logic is not your strong. Even if your sentence was true, we can argue which solution is more efficient

>The difference is there wouldn't be an absolute monopoly (as in no *potential* for competition) and their revenue would be gained through voluntary exchange rather than coercion.

Only ideology. Somalia doesn't have monopoly of force and see where they are. you forget that for a capitalist society to work, peace is absolutely vital.

>All of the inanely trivial "problems" you raise could be solved by a few minutes of critical thinking.
roads

> You seem to think mankind would forget how to breathe without a state giving instructions.
Another strawman. i just discuss that the ancap "solution" is a very inefficient solution.

And no two libertarians can agree on how much state is needed, so you continue down the minarchaist path until you reach an-cap.

>no two x can agree on how much of y is needed, so you will always only have either all of y or no y!!!!!

>meaning people'd open fire on the statists.
Only if most of the wealthy people support your ideology, and if the statists have less resources.

can the somalia meme just fucking die
how can you even claim that somalia has no government if it has a central bank and a constitution

also the "x doesn't happen in y culture so it can't happen in z culture haha" is ridiculous. this applies to absolutely any idea about anything.

DELET THIS THREAD YOU FUCKING TOTALITARIAN STATISTS

>if someone can't pay for the resources that it takes to put a bit of information on a server, why would they be able to enter a contract significant enough to damage the other person if it was broken?
So if someone cant pay that company, then he is isentially a pariah, a nobody. That is alot of power you are giving to that company.

>what could they possibly be offering in return?
>poor people are worthless

>pretty much every corporation that has ever gone out of business has done so because people have chosen not to buy their products because they're of a low quality
>libertarian education

the crowning failure of anarcho-capitalism is that if people don't like it, you'll get a state?

> i don't see how such a large entity could come to be without the existence of governments
Whatever owns property with minerals there.

A random arab that own land with tons of petrol could use the money to buy more land with iron or copper and then start to break deals because he's powerfull enough.

A group If various wealthy men could unite to make a bigger corporation and fuck everyone else

Coming from the wise man, who posted the following message:
>Libertarian and ancap is pretty much the same thing. Libertarianism is just the middle ground fallacy.

what the fuck happened the PewdiePie he looks like a fat zombie.

>I'll post the generalized point in a quote instead of arguing. That will work.

Libertarianism is an-cap. Libertarianism strives for the elimination of the state.

Not strawmanning in the slightest. You've been going back and forth on how records would be kept in a free society, as though that would be an endemic issue.
You can dance around your argument all you'd like, the implications are plain to see.

It's curious that you claim false equivalence and then immediately pull the "Somalia" card, an East African nation pushed further in the shitter by decades of communism, as though that's a sterling example of ancap.

>roads
I rest my case. An issue that has been exhaustively dealt with through, as I said, some critical thinking.
Yet you still believe that without a coercive monopoly which is not accountable to consumer desires is somehow the best we can come up with.

Ignorance at its finest

>how can you even claim that somalia has no government

I didn't claim this. Nice strawman. I only said that Somalia central gevernment doesn't reach the whole country. Why are libertarians always so stupid?

Don't know, I think it was from a video, where he got drunk. Real fucking drunk.

That was Moldova you dumb fuck

Portugal tripfaggot is a cancer

you're assuming that there is only one company. that's ridiculous and if you think that this monopoly would just appear unchallenged out of nowhere, there's no point in this argument even continuing

>That is alot of power you are giving to that company.
That is a lot of power you are giving to that state, otherwise

>poor people are worthless
well done refuting my point, friend

>libertarian education
well done refuting my point, friend!! bad quality products always sell as well as good quality products at the same price, i understand now

But bad people wouldn't be rewarded financially.

I'll keep his name in mind.
For fucking sure.

>not an argument

But hold on here friend, threatening the lives and wellbeing of others goes against Libertarian principals.

In a society with government.

Since the government has the monopoly of violence, a random guy cannot start to store nukes in his backyards, nor contact thousands of mercenaries to wage war agains't neighboor.

Social services are okay at a low level.

The main point of Libertarian in the modern society is to counterbalance social services to the effect that they don't get out of control.

I think we can agree that cities should manage roads, but the federal government should not.

>libertarianism strives for the elimination of the state.
libertarian strives for the elimination of the unnecessary aspects of the state, but they deem certain aspects of the state be necessary
this isn't a hard concept.
libertarians believe that x is sometimes permissible
anarcho-capitalists believe that x is never permissible

how can you even begin to conflate the two

some people believe that lying is a necessary evil that should be done sometimes
some people believe that lying is universally the wrong thing to do

how is this any different?

>haha you're dumb

Why do you think the roads argument stumps Libertarians?

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Poland ball is supposed to be funny, this isn't funny.

i didn't mean under what society is it not possible for a certain person to somehow gather insane amounts of power through voluntary capital accumulation and wage war, i meant under what ideology will the largest power never act unjustly against smaller powers

protip: answer is none

Yes.

Without most of people not supporting the ancap NAP, the ancaps would not have enough people to fight against a statist neighboor

>has no argument
>resorts to shitposting

Care to explain the difference between lolbertarianism and ancap?

>as though that would be an endemic issue.
Of course it would. Trust is required to engage in commercial dealings. Having a strong authority guaranteeing the identity and reputation of both parts is vital. But you guys have absolutely no idea of what capitalism is.

>an East African nation pushed further in the shitter by decades of communism,
not an argument. Also communism is anarchist, you fucking retard.

>as though that's a sterling example of ancap.
Nice strawman. Somalia is not an example of ancap. It's a example of what happens when central government almost disappears.

Can you argue without strawmaning?

>I rest my case. An issue that has been exhaustively dealt with through, as I said, some critical thinking.
Yet i never heard a solution that would justify changing status quo

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make a holocaust denial thread please. Contain my faggotry there please.

still not as dumb as fascism

my point was that if the worst outcome of anarcho capitalism would be that you would leave anarcho capitalism, so therefore staying in anarcho-capitalism must be better than having a state

obviously i don't assert the first claim, but neither should you

Fucking simple.
>ancaps say fuck you to government

>you're assuming that there is only one company. that's ridiculous and if you think that this monopoly would just appear unchallenged out of nowhere, there's no point in this argument even continuing
So what does this change my argument? In what way would competition solve my questions?

>That is a lot of power you are giving to that state, otherwise
True.
> bad quality products always sell as well as good quality products at the same price

This is so simple minded that you probably will never know you are so wrong.

Answer me this: Does Macdonald make the best burgers in the world?

yes i know. So that is the only difference? i already said that here

>Trust is required to engage in commercial dealings
Naturally, yet you seem to think a central government, an institution constantly violating rights and trust, is the only institution capable of handling such a thing.
It is necessary, which is why markets would find a solution for it.

>Also communism is anarchist
O I am laffin
Maybe your "true communism" meme is, but Somalia's most certainly was not

>Can you argue without strawmaning?
It's moreso an issue of you not recognizing the implications of your statements. Or you just refuse to confront them once you're called out.

>Yet i never heard a solution that would justify changing status quo
Because you're willfully ignorant
If you criticized statism with the same rigor you apply to libertarianism, the benefits from the latter would be abundantly clear.
But you don't. You've clearly never looked into the ideology beyond the memes and shitposts conducted on a Malaysian fingerpainting board.

Yes, but the government affects everything, not just 1 thing.

>i meant under what ideology will the largest power never act unjustly against smaller powers
The question is that with a ancap society that will be much more commom than in any other kind of society.

>Does Macdonald make the best burgers in the world?
no, but do people like mcdonalds burgers? yes
are they easy to obtain whilst driving a car? yes
do they cost a small amount of money relative to the amount of effort involved? yes

>In what way would competition solve my questions?
by allowing pretty much anyone to afford such an easy-to-provide service?
it'd cost like 5 fucking dollars, all a person needs to provide the service is a reputation, a server and some materials to hand out a card
if a person cannot find 5 fucking dollars, then why the fuck is this person entering into a contract that would hurt the other person if they broke it? the other person cannot possibly be hoping to get more than 5 dollars out of the contract breaker, so why would they fucking care?

this is absolutely fucking ridiculous, portugal should be razed

>company steals my identity and sells my personal data
>I try to prove that they have but they are allies with the media conglomerates that control all private communication lines
>I'm caught up in endless NAP violation litigation because I am unauthorized to criticize a big company on Communi-Corp's communication systems
>Corporate media covers up the identity theft
>Nobody knows that my identity was stolen

>everyone files with this company because they make huge profits selling identities

>Ten years later, everyone realizes what they've done, but they've accumulated so much wealth that they have monopolized the market and can effectively destroy any attempts to enter the market by using their army of lawyers to claim infinite NAP violations frivolously, bankrupting anyone stupid enough to challenge them in court

>they have enough money to hire a country's worth of armed forces to enforce their property rights against anyone who protests against this system

>they start violating the NAP because nobody can stop them, since their corporate media and lawyers cover up and litigate against anyone who complains

>They compel people to do things with the threat of violent coercion, and nobody can say anything or they get shot

Congratulations, another ancap society has turned into an authoritarian tyrannical state, just like any ancap society is guaranteed to. Maybe after a few decades of civil war you can create a democratic republic with civil rights before an edgy teenager who wants to smoke weed and own machine guns convinces everyone to tear down the government and create an ancap society again.

>is the only institution capable of handling such a thing.
Never said such a thing. Yet another stawman.

I've yet to hear of a system that does this better then the state.

>which is why markets would find a solution for it.
They found it already. It's called the state.

>Maybe your "true communism" meme is, but Somalia's most certainly was not
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Communism
> and the absence of social classes, money,[3][4] and the state.[5][6]

>Because you're willfully ignorant

So correct my ignorance and present a solution

And please stop with that passive-agressive posting.

t. Portuguese intellectual

You're worse than leftypol. Disgusting freak

i'm not even arguing from the perspective of an ancap, just from the perspective that government isn't necessary in order for identification services to be provided

>You're worse than leftypol
INCEPTION

He IS leftypol, just a different trip

If you're going to continue refusing to confront my arguments, as well as your own, then it's time for me to bow out. This is a waste of time.
Have fun in your socialist hellhole.

I addressed all your "arguments". feel free to tell me if any of my answers was not enough for you.

>nobody makes contracts with guy anymore
>guy destroys everyone who refuses him with tomahawk missiles
>no one refuses him again

Why are yuros so anti-libertarian? Too much freedom for you?

What if one side lies and claims the other violated the contract or creates a situation where the contract is undeliverable? In Eve we would hire people to make a delivery and then have a group of goons take them out mid delivery. We get the goods back and the collateral the delivery guy put down

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what is your opinion on Integralismo?

It really is pathetic

They have to go out of their way with these threads because otherwise nobody would give a shit

At least the snek meme is funny

>a wild leftist appears!
Pic related is what you need

Anarchy is chaotic and can't guarantee the preservation of important things like cultural artifacts, nature and even people.

We need a strong nationalist state to ensure our cultural and genetic survival.

yeah man like the difference between marxists and democratic socialist

oh wait

>hurr durr, we need the government

Fascism is only needed as an emergency position against threats of security or subversion. What we need is en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Libertarian_conservatism

Libertarians are idiots, but not as nearly as retarded as you stormfags

Anarchos are so damn extreme. They're like the KKK of libertarians. You faggots know better.

who are you gonna cry to when russia tries to liberate you again, ievan?

your gov that's who you deerfucker

Oh hi Hillary, thanks for learning how to use a VPN so it looks like the whole world is running your voter intimidation campaign instead of you personally.

No one believes you. Not even your followers really believe you, you just frighten them until they agree with whatever extremist ideology you're being paid to push this week.

Milorad Srbinovich, what are you doing in Croatia?

Umm, the people, who don't want to lose freedom, maybe that's who, dear statist.

>We need a strong nationalist state to ensure our cultural and genetic survival.

Ultimately it's you that passes your genes, not the government. It seems most of you folks would enjoy the free breeding program that NatSoc promises. You'd have to be the most impossibly ideal Aryan alive nowadays with all inter-European breeding. Germany for the Germans, England for the English, France for the French. Who are these white people?

Who is Uncle Pennybags even in real estate competition with? No one. He's the one with the monopoly, on your entire corrupt system. He's featured on Chance Cards to make you think he's there along side you as a player, suffering misfortunes and reveling in good luck along side you as your equal. But you aren't equals. You don't even exist in the same social strata. He owns the company that makes the board you play out, that casts your metal pieces, that prints the currency you use & provides the legal rulings that forms the backbone that holds up your property deeds.

You aren't playing with him, or as him. HE'S playing YOU, you complicit sheep. You think he deals in fiat Monopoly dollars like you? He owns corporations and currency you aren't even aware of. Stay woke.

so, what do they do. run around like african guerillas, accomplishing nothing due to their poorly trained and equipped soldiers? there isn't an organized military in a stateless society, unless you want to hire a pmc in which case good luck dealing with the McWarlords trying to open up a franchise where you live.

>Thanks mr government for enabling me to commute 2 hours to work through gridlock traffic. I feel so blessed for this privilege

It's mostly NatSocs trying to feel better about their failed ideology

Have you never heard of identity theft? People do this exact thing all the time and never get caught cause our law enforcement budget all gets spent on giving people speeding tickets and throwing people in jail for drugs

I have to admit, the McWarlords part made me laugh.
But in all seriousness, people would do anything.
If everything fails, you can turn the gun 180 degrees, and escape the situation, and go to the afterlife.

>Ultimately it's you that passes your genes
I agree, but this is on a personal level

we're talking society here, what's the point of you spreading your genes when your descendants will be a minority on their own lands surrounded by foreign scum?

>It seems most of you folks would enjoy the free breeding program that NatSoc promises. You'd have to be the most impossibly ideal Aryan alive nowadays with all inter-European breeding. Germany for the Germans, England for the English, France for the French. Who are these white people?
I'm not sure what you're trying to say

I'm talking about the government ensuring that the fertility rate is above replacement rate, i didn't mention aryan ideal or white people or whatever you were trying to imply

And how are we solving this? By disbanding police!

Genius!!

>2016
>Not advocating for a liberal democracy with limited government

I actually came up with this meme. it is my property so please pay me for using it.

>what is your opinion on Integralismo?
cringe

>muh 6 gorillian faggot is back

top wew

>mfw in economics class
>teacher asks what, if anything, is wrong with fully free marketism?

>first answer
>muh roads

pol

>SHUT IT DOWN!!!! THEY FOUND ME!!!!

Make a holocaust denial thread please

No, youre too loud and don't know how to think.

same arguments every time
>never provides counter evidence
>muh Irving was discredited

>
wtf is wrong with faggotry in Portugal? What did western civilization ever do to you?

>Using statist as an insult

>and don't know how to think.
lol, so what you are saying is that i'm not brainwashed enough? lol.

Go make one please

>muh Irving was discredited

But he was indeed discredited by Evans

>What did western civilization ever do to you?

It was YOU, America, who took aways our colonies. It was YOU, America, who destroyed our ultra conservative government and replaced it with croonies. USA is the source of pretty much everything that is wrong with modern world

Holohoax*

No, you're too brainwashed.

Here lets too some arithmetic to get your noggin joggin kiddo

bamboo-delight.com/download/6_Million_Myth.pdf

>muh Evans

Name a list of famous holocaust deniers and tell me why we should believe Stalinist propogandists when they tell us they were "Great Liberators"

>He's mad that his trade empire fell

fite me 1v1

>USA is the source of pretty much everything that is wrong with modern world
Germany is far more responsible for the plight of Southern Europe than the US is.

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Two of the worst libertarian presidents ever.

Rome had roads before Marx was born. What's your point?

I was shooting heroin and reading “The Fountainhead” in the front seat of my privately owned police cruiser when a call came in. I put a quarter in the radio to activate it. It was the chief.

“Bad news, detective. We got a situation.”

“What? Is the mayor trying to ban trans fats again?”

“Worse. Somebody just stole four hundred and forty-seven million dollars’ worth of bitcoins.”

The heroin needle practically fell out of my arm. “What kind of monster would do something like that? Bitcoins are the ultimate currency: virtual, anonymous, stateless. They represent true economic freedom, not subject to arbitrary manipulation by any government. Do we have any leads?”

“Not yet. But mark my words: we’re going to figure out who did this and we’re going to take them down … provided someone pays us a fair market rate to do so.”

“Easy, chief,” I said. “Any rate the market offers is, by definition, fair.”

He laughed. “That’s why you’re the best I got, Lisowski. Now you get out there and find those bitcoins.”

“Don’t worry,” I said. “I’m on it.”

I put a quarter in the siren. Ten minutes later, I was on the scene. It was a normal office building, strangled on all sides by public sidewalks. I hopped over them and went inside.

Ancap: the movie

“Home Depot™ Presents the Police!®” I said, flashing my badge and my gun and a small picture of Ron Paul. “Nobody move unless you want to!” They didn’t.

“Now, which one of you punks is going to pay me to investigate this crime?” No one spoke up.

“Come on,” I said. “Don’t you all understand that the protection of private property is the foundation of all personal liberty?”

It didn’t seem like they did.

“Seriously, guys. Without a strong economic motivator, I’m just going to stand here and not solve this case. Cash is fine, but I prefer being paid in gold bullion or autographed Penn Jillette posters.”

Nothing. These people were stonewalling me. It almost seemed like they didn’t care that a fortune in computer money invented to buy drugs was missing.

An-cap works if we're all white.

I figured I could wait them out. I lit several cigarettes indoors. A pregnant lady coughed, and I told her that secondhand smoke is a myth. Just then, a man in glasses made a break for it.

“Subway™ Eat Fresh and Freeze, Scumbag!®” I yelled.

Too late. He was already out the front door. I went after him.

“Stop right there!” I yelled as I ran. He was faster than me because I always try to avoid stepping on public sidewalks. Our country needs a private-sidewalk voucher system, but, thanks to the incestuous interplay between our corrupt federal government and the public-sidewalk lobby, it will never happen.

I was losing him. “Listen, I’ll pay you to stop!” I yelled. “What would you consider an appropriate price point for stopping? I’ll offer you a thirteenth of an ounce of gold and a gently worn ‘Bob Barr ‘08’ extra-large long-sleeved men’s T-shirt!”

He turned. In his hand was a revolver that the Constitution said he had every right to own. He fired at me and missed. I pulled my own gun, put a quarter in it, and fired back. The bullet lodged in a U.S.P.S. mailbox less than a foot from his head. I shot the mailbox again, on purpose.

“All right, all right!” the man yelled, throwing down his weapon. “I give up, cop! I confess: I took the bitcoins.”

“Why’d you do it?” I asked, as I slapped a pair of Oikos™ Greek Yogurt Presents Handcuffs® on the guy.

“Because I was afraid.”

“Afraid?”

“Afraid of an economic future free from the pernicious meddling of central bankers,” he said. “I’m a central banker.”

I wanted to coldcock the guy. Years ago, a central banker killed my partner. Instead, I shook my head.

“Let this be a message to all your central-banker friends out on the street,” I said. “No matter how many bitcoins you steal, you’ll never take away the dream of an open society based on the principles of personal and economic freedom.”

He nodded, because he knew I was right. Then he swiped his credit card to pay me for arresting him.

that would actually be pretty cool desu.

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Don't talk to hom or his wife's son ever agin, believe me he will start spamming ALL CAPS if you get him mad enough

He's literally Dissonance : the tripfag

in such a world you would be like channing tatum in this is the end

youtube.com/watch?v=_w61HI9ewCo

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But really, who builds the roads?

private companies. then they charge you to use the roads. you're better off paying taxes because at least you get your natural gasses and other shit with it. sure they make you pay for autismbux and whatnot but it's not impossible to get rid of those per se.

chroniclingamerica.loc.gov/lccn/sn84024738/1856-08-16/ed-1/seq-2/#&words=Master MurderedAn
>when a child steps on a bird on your property violating the NAP so you strangle him but that child was property of his father and you just violated the NAP so his father shoots you

If only, we pay out the ass in taxes here in Illinois and yet all the roads are garbage, especially around the Chicago area.

You don't have roads already?

this is actually right

same here in manitoba. guess all those natives really need their "free" healthcare for their diabetes and booboos. it's taken them a month to build a bridge near me that didn't need to be replaced.

The same people who will charge you a fee for using them. You better get ready to stop at a toll-booth every few km because the road goes through twenty different properties.

What is the middle ground between having a government and not?
Protip: booleans are represented by a single bit.

Ancaps are retards that want to destroy the government while libertarians have a constitution like pretty much everyone else. Just because someone disagrees with you on what roles the government should take doesn't make it a "middle ground fallacy", unless you're some retarded totalitarian cuck.

the government is controlled by private corporations so technically we do live in an ancap world

I lold

>What is the middle ground between having a government and not?
No you fucking retard. Libertarianism is just the middle ground fallacy of ancap (libertarianism is a more moderate version of ancap )

Why are you guys so stupid?