Christian Thread

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I like Varg, but it's pretty clear that his world-view is warped around his refusal to take any responsibility for his killing of Euronymous.

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I was raised in the Episcopalian church. Though I had an experience somewhere around the age of 10 where I strongly felt the presence of God, I thought of myself as an atheist by age 14.

That view would persist and strengthen over the next 10 years. From 17 until 23 I was the strongest kind of atheist. Not the obnoxious kind, but I was sure I would never be anything other than an atheist.

Then came my 24th year. I think think what started it was my increasing dissatisfaction with other atheists. Almost all "public" atheists are committed to other ideas that I think are harmful. Some atheists on here like to claim, and I used to tell myself this, that there's this silent majority of atheists who support two-parent households where the father was "assigned male at birth" and the mother was assigned female. Either they don't exist, or they do and they don't have the conviction to force the issue.

But that doesn't have anything to do about the proposition itself--- that there is no God, so I neatly compartmentalized them.

Another important thing that bothered me about the belief that there is no God: as much as atheists dance around it, there is no objective morality without God. This is another personal preference of mine that has nothing to do with whether or not God exists, but it helped to weaken my conviction in atheism.

I can't really explain what happened next. Early this Spring I bought the Oxford Annotated Bible. I honestly thought I was purchasing it for its historical value. "It's got Oxford right on the cover, this is nothing but an academic interest," is pretty much what I thought at the time.

I read bits and pieces over the spring, but never really got into it. The problem was I didn't get the meaning in it.

Thats interesting, what are your thoughts on other religions are they worth considering?

God bless, senpai

I hope your experience is well and you enjoy the discussion regardless of the outcome.

>Now it happened
>not "and it came to pass"
That ain't Bible.

Pray for Trump

figures there would be a ton of christfags on pol

Question for the Christians of Cred Forums.

If someone lives a righteous life and is a genuinely good person, but doesn't believe in Christ either because he never really got brought up in it, or just plain doesn't accept the existence or Resurrection of him, do they go to hell?

Yes

But if they vote for Donald Trump, they get a free pass

Remember your duty to pray for trump's victory

Fuck Varg and his kin for destroying European heritage.

we wuz viKANGZ

>777

Holy get

They would, indeed, upon learning of Christ be condemned if they did not accept him and perished.

Does he know that it is run by the FSB and that the head of it is a proven KGB spy.

Why is he not a Roman Catholic given that the last iteration of russian nationalism ended up in state atheism.

That seems a little harsh to me, I understand Christ sacrifice on the cross is extremely important for human redemption but a man without sin being sent to hell for not accepting/ understanding the gospels doesn't seem like perfect judgement.

What about isolated tribes of humans who have never been told the gospel? Are they doomed as well?

>What about isolated tribes of humans who have never been told the gospel? Are they doomed as well?

No.

And then they complain about so-called Christian violence. Hypocrites! Literally dindu teir.

Is there scripture to reinforce that? I vaguely remember there being some but I can't recall.

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The Oxford Bible is great if you're interested in finding in the footnotes what words were translated into what and why. But it provides no Christian context. I sold this next part to myself in the same way as before: if I'm going to have this little academic interest (reading the Bible), then it would be best if I understood it in the correct way. I was pretty sure I knew what protestants and Roman Catholics had to offer, but I was only vaguely familiar with the Orthodox With this in mind, I got "The Orthodox Way" by Kallistos Ware, which is a short and easy to read book on the theology of Orthodoxy.

My initial experience of Orthodox teachings was this: this makes more sense than anything I've ever been told about Christianity. It isn't the Christianity I learned, and it isn't the Christianity atheists like to "debunk". And, as a fan of history, I was struck by how deeply rooted Orthodox tradition is in ancient teachers and ancient civilizations themselves.

As I neared the end of "The Orthodox Way", I knew I wanted to learn more, so I ordered "On the Cosmic Mystery of Jesus Christ" which is a collection of writings by St. Maximus the Confessor. Somewhere during my read of Maximus, which I recommend highly, I opened up the Gospel of John and read it to the end. That was the first Gospel I've read to completion as an adult and I was blown away. That's the second time in my life when I've felt the presence of God. If I had to mark a moment of conversion, I would pinpoint it there, when I read the final lines of the book of John.

Now I'm 25 and I think I'm a Christian. I still struggle with faith. There's a large part of me that's terrified by it. But I'm trying to stick to it all the same.

Are you terrified of a Clinton presidency?

It is the will of God, given to us by Christ. It is harsh because it is fair, and a man who believes not in Christ is with sin as he has not repented.

Romans 1:20 and other parts clearly clarifies that a man is accountable on what he knows and that man can't be held responsible for something he was never aware of.

A tribe who never even heard of God or Jesus therefore couldn't be held accountable

In addition to What books on athiesm, Catholicism and protestantism did you read?

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Think of it like this. God has to hold mankind to account for their sins. What measure is he to use? Himself. He is the standard of moral purity, and every man will be measured against His perfect morality. All fail this judgment, no matter how 'good' they are in life, for all are sinners. This is why we need the victory of Christ over death to save us from eternal torment.

I suppose that makes sense, would a tribe that never herd of the gospel still be held by their deeds? would a tribe of cannibals be accepted into heaven?

I can understand the arrogance of denying Christ at every turn being a good reason for damnation, and if I recall Revelation says the gospel will have been taught globally by the time of Christ's return.

I'm not trying to be a smug ass hat and tear down Christian theology, I've just got through reading the bible and am trying to wrap my head around these questions as best I can.

Romans 10:14, sorry, this begins to really raise the important questions.

Beyond that and other portions that speak about forgiveness in ignorance the tribes may also be forgiven simply by the grace of God.

why is the church more political than spiritual?

Christians are foreigner parasite cult which needs to be eradicated, like it tries to eradicate nationalism for centuries. And besides Varg says he didn't torch the churches and nobody was convicted for it.

Matthew 11:21-24

>21 “Woe to you, Chorazin! Woe to you, Bethsaida! For if the mighty works which were done in you had been done in Tyre and Sidon, they would have repented long ago in sackcloth and ashes. 22 But I say to you, it will be more tolerable for Tyre and Sidon in the day of judgment than for you. 23 And you, Capernaum, who are exalted to heaven, will be brought down to Hades; for if the mighty works which were done in you had been done in Sodom, it would have remained until this day. 24 But I say to you that it shall be more tolerable for the land of Sodom in the day of judgment than for you.”

Meaning that those places were witness to the works of God. If those other places had seen similar works, they would have repented. Those places had the benefit to hear the Gospel of Jesus Christ and see what He worked through his messengers. To have all that and still refuse to repent is to be worse than the Sodomites who lived before Christ.

Luke 12: 40-48

>40 Therefore you also be ready, for the Son of Man is coming at an hour you do not expect.”

41 Then Peter said to Him, “Lord, do You speak this parable only to us, or to all people?”

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>48 But he who did not know, yet committed things deserving of stripes, shall be beaten with few. For everyone to whom much is given, from him much will be required; and to whom much has been committed, of him they will ask the more.

Christ speaks plainly there. The more is revealed to us, the more is required of us.

Christianity is a cuck religion. Sage

ask him why God was born as a dirty kike who had his dick chopped off

All men must be held accountable for their works but in their ignorance they may be forgiven.

To be arrogant in the face of Christ's sacrifice by, say, holding up the physical science as some type of substitute would most certainly call for damnation.

But a group of cannibals who know neither of Christ or the Bible? That is ignorance, but not by choice, and Jesus would forgive them for they knew not what they had done

> believing a guy who stabbed someone over 20 times

> checks flag

> yep

I was raised in a high church Episcopalian family, so I absorbed a lot that way. The rest of my knowledge has come from history books and interacting with people. My specific interest in theology is new. I'm not very knowledgeable.

I've collected a list of books people have recommended to me from authors of various denominations though. Also check pic related. Maybe one of these will strike you:

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St. Ephrem the Syrian
Didache
St. Justin Martyr

Nihilism - Seraphim Rose
Mystical Theology / Divine Names - St. Dionysius the Areopagite
More St. Maximos! :^)
St. Gregory of Nyssa, Life of Moses
St. Palamas
St. Basil
More Seraphim Rose
St. Ignatius Brianchaninov - The Arena

Interior Castle by St. Teresa of Avila
Story of a Soul by St. Therese of Lisieux
The Philokalia
The Ladder of Divine Ascent
Summa Theologiae
The Didache
The Desert Fathers
The Introduction to the Devout Life by St. Francis de Sales
Little Flowers of St. Francis of Assisi
Rome Sweet Home by Scott Hahn
The Seven Storey Mountain by Thomas Merton
The Dark Night of the Soul by St. John of the Cross
Orthodoxy by G.K. Chesterton
The Everlasting Man by G.K. Chesterton

City of God
Apologia Pro Vita Sua by John Newman
The Spirit of Catholicism
Against Heresies
Dialogues by St. Catherine of Sienna
Spiritual Exercises by St. Ignatius
CATHOLICISM by Robert Barron
The Catechism of the Catholic Church
The Last Superstition
The Spirit of Medieval Philosophy by Etienne Gilson
Introduction to Christianity by Joseph Ratzinger (Pope Benedict the XVI)

Mere Christianity by C.S. Lewis
The Long Loneliness by Dorothy Day
The Way of Perfection by St. Teresa of Avila
The Imitation of Christ by Thomas Kempis
New Seeds of Contemplation by Thomas Merton
Don Quixote by Cervantes
The Divine Comedy
Paradise Lost
Silence by Shusaku Endo

I appreciete your help in understanding these things.

I still have a lot of research and reading to do before I fully feel I can commit to Christianity. But if the Lord is the truth I will surely come to him eventually.

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I was more interested in the books you personally read about other faiths and non faith.

All will come to the Lord eventually, not all on good terms.
I will pray for you, God bless.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Religion_in_Norway
>In 2005, a survey conducted by Gallup International in sixty-five countries indicated that Norway was the least religious country in Western Europe, with 29% counting themselves as believing in a church or deity, 26% as being atheists, and 45% not being entirely certain.

Don't get bs'd into believing anyone other than God is necessary for your faith and salvation in Christ.

No one is necessary for your salvation but yourself and God. No one else. Not a single other soul is needed.

Free will is an illusion and your religion a hoax by extension. psychologicalsciences.unimelb.edu.au/
Saged.

There's something I forgot to mention that's very important to our understanding of those passages.

We all go to the same place when we die and we'll all stand before God. There's no Hell under the earth, there's no Heaven above the clouds.

We all go to the same place and stand before God's glory. Our experience of God depends on our how we act upon what we know of God.

The surest path to God's fire feeling unbearable is to attend church regularly and take communion while not following the way Christ taught us.

But those who follow in that Way, even if they haven't heard the Word, will experience God's fire as something transcendent--- love beyond what we can conceive of.

His fire is His love. The only variable is how we experience it.

Bye-bye illogical determinist-kun~
Have fun being a nihilist!

Do you think all Christians have been doing it wrong until modern times because they follow the old churches?

I think following anyone other than God is bad and indicative of a weakness of character and faith.

Simply going to church, talking with people, and obeying God's commandments in respect to one another is different than *following* other people. There is only God that you need to follow.

assemblyoftrueisrael.com/

What are your thoughts on mormons then?

My bet is on false prophet. Christ delivered everything to us long ago.

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European paganism: Prose Edda by Snorri Sturluson, Mythology by Edith Hamilton, The Foundation of Roman Italy by Joshua Whatmough, Histories by Herodotus, and a lot of general history books on Rome and Greece that mentioned religion in places

Islam: only In the Shadow of the Sword by Tom Holland, though I've gone deep on wikipedia many times.

Buddhism: None. I've listened to Sam Harris talk about it on his Waking Up podcast, read about it online, and read the fiction book Siddhartha by Herman Hesse.

Taosim: None. It's a religion I'd like to read more about. An Orthodox monk wrote a book that argues that Lao Tzu's work is directly related to Christ (Christ the Eternal Tao- Hieromonk Damascene). I'd like to read the originals before reading Hieromonk Damascene's interpretation though.

I can't think of any other religions I've thought much about. Were there any others you're interested in?

I'm sorry I can't be of more help. As I said, I'm not well read on the subject, and don't speak from any kind of authority in this thread.

>What should I ask him?
What do you want to ask?

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Why are Christians willing to look the other way when it comes to degenerate western women these days?

Why does my 'fedora tipping' bother Christians so much, yet women being in porn/taking nude selfies with cross tattoos/jewelry on them doesn't bother Christians? My 'fedora tipping' is my way of trying to get answers, I don't promote atheism.

Why do Christians not bother to resist degeneracy anymore? Why do they just personally insult other guys on the internet? Don't even bother replying to me if you're going to deny it all.

1Co12:12 For just as the body is one and has many members, and all the members of the body, though many, are one body, so it is with Christ. 13 For in the one Spirit we were all baptized into one body—Jews or Greeks, slaves or free—and we were all made to drink of one Spirit.

14 Indeed, the body does not consist of one member but of many. 15 If the foot would say, “Because I am not a hand, I do not belong to the body,” that would not make it any less a part of the body. 16 And if the ear would say, “Because I am not an eye, I do not belong to the body,” that would not make it any less a part of the body. 17 If the whole body were an eye, where would the hearing be? If the whole body were hearing, where would the sense of smell be? 18 But as it is, God arranged the members in the body, each one of them, as he chose. 19 If all were a single member, where would the body be? 20 As it is, there are many members, yet one body. 21 The eye cannot say to the hand, “I have no need of you,” nor again the head to the feet, “I have no need of you.” 22 On the contrary, the members of the body that seem to be weaker are indispensable, 23 and those members of the body that we think less honorable we clothe with greater honor, and our less respectable members are treated with greater respect; 24 whereas our more respectable members do not need this. But God has so arranged the body, giving the greater honor to the inferior member, 25 that there may be no dissension within the body, but the members may have the same care for one another. 26 If one member suffers, all suffer together with it; if one member is honored, all rejoice together with it.

>Christians are one person
Brilliant.

jesuswordsonly.com/books/184-tolstoy-on-paulinism.html

I've seen that with all of you in the recent modern era. No exceptions. Fuck off with your "HURRR WE'RE NOT ONE PERSON" to avoid criticism. Grow a pair.

God has done so much for me, but I still doubt my faith on occasion. How do I become more loyal to the Lord? I feel so guilty not trusting in God that it makes me cry in shame.

The best book on Islam is Catastrophic Failure by Stephen Coughlin.

>I'm sorry I can't be of more help. As I said, I'm not well read on the subject, and don't speak from any kind of authority in this thread.

I ask because one of the concerns I have for myself and others is that when they approach religion they tend to only read numerous quality sources for one whilst skimping on the others- which unsurprisingly makes them view the main one as the truth.

For Chrisitans its those whose only experience with Athiesm is Dawkins and Hitchens

For Athiests its those who maybe read the bible once or saw a video debate with fundies.

I kinda get the feeling when I see your posts of your kind that if you did the same but with heavily Catholic authors you would have been a Catholic or with quality atheists youd be athiest ect.

Its hard to shake the feeling that inquiry into any philosophical or religious pursuit is just people trying to find a way to make their subjective feelings objective.

Nothing wrong with belief in the unknown. Science has the Big Bang theory. But you can't have blind belief. It has to fit within what we do know for certain.

Also, Sometimes I deny God in front of others and i hate myself for it.

Yeah - I totally feel so personally attacked when you talk about other people who have no relation to me whatsoever.
Yep.
Because Christians are one person.

>Tolstoy knew the teachings of Christ better than St. Paul

Into the trash it goes

>St.
Toward the bin it hastens.

>that graph

Really makes you think, I am a ProtestantWhore now

I am Orthodox btw

Ive seen you post those graphs before, what makes the Moroms so different/consvertive compared to the other Christian groups?

It is normal to doubt as we humans insist on the physical and our God is without form.

What matters is that you repent and know that when you return you will be stronger and that the Lord's faith in you, even as you wandered, was never compromised.

>I am Orthodox btw
You think that helps you brah?

They're fairly insular and homogeneous, which tend to make groups more conservative. I don't really care about groups though. I care about ideas and individuals.

Nice sample sizes by the way.

But again, you using this "one person" meme is a way for you to deflect criticism. Otherwise you wouldn't have replied at all.

So why are so many Christians like that? I never said Christians were one person, you have autism. But I have noticed very consistent modern patterns of behavior from Christians and I want answers as to why so many of them are that way. There. Now your autism can be laid to rest.

bump for this

Not many orthos in the U.S.
For a reason.

"Meme"? You're unironically criticizing some random faceless "Christians" I, nor likely anyone else on this board, has ever known.
Why in the world do you think any of us would feel obligated to defend these random faceless nobodies who may not even exist?

Himmler was a pagan though

>lives whole life empty and with sin
>complains about antidote

Ok

Oh darn 2,000 years of tradition blown out by a poll composed of 186 people, how will we ever recover?

>Why don't Christians act like Christians?

It's really hard and we're bad it. I'm probably worse than most of the other Christians on here.

I obviously don't know, but I can offer my thoughts on your questions and speak for myself.

>Why does my 'fedora tipping' bother Christians so much, yet women being in porn/taking nude selfies with cross tattoos/jewelry on them doesn't bother Christians?

There are many parts to this. First and foremost is I've never met a porn actor (let alone one that claims to be Christian), while I've met many fedora tippers. Why should I focus my attention on people who I have not and probably will never meet?

And I mentioned this earlier in the thread, the surest path to damnation is pretending to follow Christ while not living in accordance with His Way. Why should I focus on people who are actively courting damnation rather than people who think there's just no such thing as damnation? That wouldn't make any sense.

>Why do Christians not bother to resist degeneracy anymore?

I don't know how things are in Canada, but the Christian right has been a fundamental force in stalling degeneracy in America. For every article you see on Cred Forums about how Christians welcome refugees, there are 100,000 Christians going out in force to stop such policies from being enacted. Unless things are very different in Canada, you can't look at voting patterns and seriously argue that Christians don't resist degeneracy.

>Why do they just personally insult other guys on the internet?

A fundamental belief in Christianity is that we're all sinners. We choose to turn away from the path towards God and so our actions may be Godless. When you're insulted you're seeing sin in action. It's undeniable that Christians sin. All of humanity sins. It's part of our fallen nature. Jesus Christ became incarnate, lived, died, and was resurrected to defeat sin itself--- so that the path to God was reforged, but we don't always stay on it.

By disobeying God, like you always do.

"Love your enemy and pray for those who persecute you.” ( Mt 5.44 , Lu 6.27 , Lu 6.3 ) “Do not use force against an evil man.” ( Mt 5.39 ) “Do not resist evil with evil.” “Forgive and you will be forgiven.” (Lu 6.37 ) “Do not be anxious about your life.”( Lu 12.22 ) “He who lives by the sword will perish by the sword.”
( Mat 26.52 ) “In everything do to others as you would have them do to you.” (Mat 7.12 )

>I like Varg
How? He's so anti christian.

>rejects most of the NT
>lectures others on obeying God

Oh I'm laffin

There is a reason I said sizes. Even your Catholic one is complete nonsense. The sample size isn't even close to the 1% of Catholics and you posted it as though it's representative of the Catholic community.

You're free to post the image of the current pope kissing the feet of a black man now and call Christians cucks for the sake of being edgy.

We'll just stand over here with our history that you intend to ignore to paint a false picture of Christianity to somehow justify yourself.

Oh! You could also throw in a couple of Bible quotes that you never studied and don't understand as a way to show off you "know what you're talking about" as apposed to actually attempting a discussion with your own words.

Because Christ totally said to obey Paul's words like we're supposed to obey God's Word ;)

>inquiry into any philosophical or religious pursuit is just people trying to find a way to make their subjective feelings objective

Solipsism, refute this without an argument involving the senses. Then and only then can you make the claim that anything that humans do is disconnected from subjectivity. The senses are experienced subjectively but in such a concordant manner that we assume it objective.

For humans, objectivity is the pattern, not the observation. The pattern includes observation but only with things directly observable. For others, the pattern is within mathematical relations or held upon the assumptions of the senses (including the rational sense). Science requires faith to operate. religion is no different, just it operates without the physical senses.

Different interpretations of a reality beyond our current physical one, for example, actually implies more than anything that a reality exists beyond the immediate. There is no harm in seeking answers here.

Association with subjectivity does not mean a lack of objectivity. Quite the opposite. It is becasue there is such an intense unanimity about human experience of god which makes it far less likely to be a 'subjective hallucination/ illusion'.

While the nuances of each experience are "different" There is no doubt that there are immense categorical similarities and as people get more and more precise in their understanding, they actually converge on truth rather than diverge.

You don't understand how stats and polling function if you think anything >5000 still doesn't give you a small enough margin of error.

Mate read the rest of the post I wasnt talking about Skepticism and metaphysics as much as how a person approaches this matter seriously and honestly

You just commit to axioms and choose to operate on those axioms as if they were true. If they happen to be correct then you were right in calling things that function out of your axioms objective all along.

>Association with subjectivity does not mean a lack of objectivity. Quite the opposite. It is becasue there is such an intense unanimity about human experience of god which makes it far less likely to be a 'subjective hallucination/ illusion'.

Its an issue for another thread but couldnt it be argued the the unanimity of the human experience is simply a result of how our bodies/senses are so biologically similar hence the unamity being on the oppoiste end.

Mt 18:17 If the member refuses to listen to them, tell it to the church; and if the offender refuses to listen even to the church, let such a one be to you as a Gentile and a tax collector. 18 Truly I tell you, whatever you bind on earth will be bound in heaven, and whatever you loose on earth will be loosed in heaven. 19 Again, truly I tell you, if two of you agree on earth about anything you ask, it will be done for you by my Father in heaven. 20 For where two or three are gathered in my name, I am there among them.”

Have a good night user God bless

Where else am I going to ask? I don't want to sign up for website, and Otherchan's /christian/ board is autistic. I have noticed this repeated pattern over and over again. And it wasn't like this when I was a kid. I saw in my short life Christians go from being moral powerhouses to cucked jokes that lie about how we are all still prude and traditional and then they make excuses for women and degeneracy in general. The transition baffles me. Like day and night. I have to be honest and say it downright annoys me too, even though I'm not Christian.

Thanks for the response, I don't have time to overly reply, but you do seem to be attempting to justify modern Christian angst against non-Christian males while making excuses for women and degeneracy in general. But at least you gave me a real reply instead of what that other faggot did. Have a fun thread.

And you're not accounting for who was actually polled, where they're located, what church they go to, etc.

You're free to continue posting polls that mean absolutely nothing and make up whatever ridiculous claim you want but thanks for proving me correct that you would ignore the history of Christianity, the actual beliefs and would just resort to calling Christians cucks.

God bless, I'll pray for you.

>Mt 5.44
Here, for you:
>The Lord Jesus teaches that we must do all the real kindness we can to all, especially to their souls. We must pray for them. While many will render good for good, we must render good for evil; and this will speak a nobler principle than most men act by.

>Others salute their brethren, and embrace those of their own party, and way, and opinion, but we must not so confine our respect. It is the duty of Christians to desire, and aim at, and press towards perfection in grace and holiness. And therein we must study to conform ourselves to the example of our heavenly Father, 1Pe 1:15,16. Surely more is to be expected from the followers of Christ than from others; surely more will be found in them than in others. Let us beg of God to enable us to prove ourselves his children.

>don't believe in God
>was baptized and keep Christian traditions
>bought a silver cross in a cathedral and wear it all the time
>mfw legit get triggered by neckbeard atheists

My journey to Christianity and to Orthodoxy in particular is entirely illogical. If you don't feel pulled towards Christianity right now then I probably come off as strange.

I think it's necessary to separate me from the theology and scripture I've shared in this thread.

A lot of my replies are communicating what I've learned from better sources (Scripture and the Fathers of the Church [which essentially is everyone that has had a large impact on our understanding of the Scriptures]).

Me, the actual person, is someone with extremely weak faith. As I said before, I'm terrified that I don't think I'm an atheist anymore. It has large repercussions for me, not just in so far as I built an identity for myself that atheism was a part of.

Of course I should explore other religions more fully before committing to Christianity. Of Course my affinity to it is just a result of my being raised Christian. I could avoid it in a thousand different ways, and all of them would be entirely understandable.

Being a Christian doesn't make any sense at all, and you're right to take everything I say with a grain of salt. And yet here I am, wanting to know Jesus Christ.

I'm not - and you shouldn't expect anyone with a brain - to defend random faceless people who have no association with them. Me being a Christian has nothing whatsoever to do with other people who may or may not call themselves Christians.

What do I dress in to go to catholic mass?

Being a Christian doesn't make any sense at all, and you're right to take everything I say with a grain of salt. And yet here I am, wanting to know Jesus Christ.

It seems to make perfect sense though for your situation of seeking a religion that you have a cultural affinity for rather than as the truth.

Do you think it would be worthwhile investing yourself in other religions to determine wether they are true given it could cause you such discomfort?

It's literally the biggest and most funded religious poll ever.
It's fucking Pew. If you won't take that poll, you won't take *ANY* poll, in which case just come out and say that.

Why do you have to ruin every Christian thread?

he is just offering a different christian viewpoint, theres nothing wrong with that.

That american who spams porn and gore ruins threads but not this tripfag

I don't get the point of you posting those verses at all. I don't disagree with anything stated in them.

Why are you a bootlicking leaf?

Reminder:

Every atheist post is a naive 15 year old decided he's going to base his personality around "logic" because his angst and confusion as a teenager makes him feel lost in the world

Metaphysically, this is true: we are saved through God alone, even if you were the only person on earth, you could be saved through your faith.

In practice, it's not. You exist in a community of the faithful and Christianity is pretty clear that part of your faith in God *is* manifest in deferring to others. As someone else posted, we are all part of the body of Christ.

Brilliant contribution. Truly inspiring apologetics.

this image is fucking excellent advice

t. atheist

what brings u to this conclusion

Christianity is deontological. States of affairs are irrelevant to the principles involved.

>manifest in deferring to others
That's malarkey. You need not defer to anyone but God, whose Word is there for you for your own discovery. I can follow my commands and be good to you and to others without holding any special deference for you or anyone else. You're all sinning fleshbags just like me - you're neither existentially better nor worse than I, and neither am I any existentially better or worse than you. Pretending otherwise is a straight absurdity.

It's ok senpai. You don't have to try and smash intellectual sounding phrases together in order to feel superior to Christian "sheep".

This is an anonymous image board. Your relentless shit posting is not going to ease your naivety.

>the fact that your are using a trip code on Cred Forums of all boards, really diminishes any clout your might have had

>sample size

Your poll is worthless, you ignore everything else, and you're just acting like a hot-headed trip because your entire system of arguing is done through pigeonholing, ad hominem, and taking things completely out of context in hopes that no one will call you out on it in which case you double down aggressively hoping the person will just ignore you eventually.

Ironic really seeing as you use a trip for attention on an anonymous board.

>Do not love the world or anything in the world. If anyone loves the world, love for the Father is not in them.
>For everything in the world--the lust of the flesh, the lust of the eyes, and the pride of life--comes not from the Father but from the world.

The world and its desires pass away, but whoever does the will of God lives forever.

Remember, keep the evangelicals and fundamentalists away

It's pretty astounding that a Christian would ever find the word apologetics daunting.

Yep. That's about the caliber of response I've come to expect from leafs.

KJV is what i trust.

>Spirit of divination trolls servants of God by stating something they agree with and will not immediately dispute
>CTR attempts to slide by rapidly posting many imitations of legitimate threads, so unsuspecting anons drop their (you)s

Naïveté sorry

Anyone know of any sermons or anything related to Christ to listen to or watch?

So hard to find something to watch that doesn't involve corrupt talk or things that try to pass off as Christ like but give false instruction

God even warns us about the Media and its LIES!!!

>
Dear children, this is the last hour; and as you have heard that the antichrist is coming, even now many antichrists have come. This is how we know it is the last hour.
>
They went out from us, but they did not really belong to us. For if they had belonged to us, they would have remained with us; but their going showed that none of them belonged to us.

But you have been anointed by the Holy One, and you all have knowledge

>we are truth bros no matter what stick to your guns, the bible says the cuck shall perrish also.

>You just commit to axioms
I do not have "faith" in axioms. I have faith in god. I choose the axioms that best conform the reality that i experience and that is not self refuting or self limiting. I do this to the highest degree of my own reasoning as one can never reach (or deny) god by reason alone (faith is always necessary at some point).

There is no bias but selection bias and there is nothing wrong with this. It is inherent in every single scientists work ever. Not necessarily in the methodology, but in the person who prods and draws conclusions. My methodology is always the most reasonable, one that combines the veridical reality of my subjective experience, and the highest degree of my rational inquiry.

>unanimity of experience is biological
You have a lot of faith in this given the explanatory gap in consciousness. Also you are substituting a HOW for a WHY. This does not explain nor provide resolution to the question of meaning or purpose nor does it provide any meaning or purpose. Instead it directly states, that human experience is the product of meaningless biological processes. This is a morally harmful belief and one that if anything denies the humanity of our condition.

IF you are implying that both religious and secular explanations can go along side eachother (something i believe), then your argument is not a refutation but an explanation for how we are literally "made" to be religious.

tl;dr you say this but you dont actually believe it given its amoral implications.

>pic related
How about Fulton Sheen?

>Philosophy major
Besides, there shouldn't even be a thread for this in this board.

Committing to faith in God is an axiomatic commitment.

this

no Jesus, no sanctification and redemption. Simple.

i need some quotes, senpai. I need some proof. PLEASE!

We share similar interests, he has a good mind, and he produces good content on his youtube channel: youtube.com/user/ThuleanPerspective

I understand some anti-Christian perspectives and I think some of them are valid. While I think Varg overstates it, there was violence involved in the "Christianization" of some peoples--- though I would call this conquest that used Christ as an excuse. And it surely damned the "Christian" invaders more than it did slaughtered pagans.

This is total speculation, but I think Varg was an edgy man in his early twenties who killed another man (in something that wasn't murder, but wasn't totally justified either), and formed a part of his identity around never admitting responsibility for that. In addition, I speculate that prison (as a force in itself) stagnated his spiritual growth. He developed fine in other areas, obviously, but I think it's important to consider what someone would lose if they accepted an idea.

If Varg accepted Christianity he would have to repent for killing a man in a situation that wasn't entirely just.

Ask him why people pray if God already has a divine plan. To me it seems that praying is as arrogant as it is pointless.

>Mate read the rest of the post I wasnt talking about Skepticism and metaphysics as much as how a person approaches this matter seriously and honestly
I know but there is an implication that pursuing spiritual knowledge for personal satisfaction is wrong somehow or that it clouds the truth.

If you believe that god created man in his image and likeness, and god's will and love is the most satisfying thing imaginable to man. Then spiritual satisfaction is actually a fairly good guide so long as you are deeply honest with yourself and do not mistake a false "prosperity gospel" style spirituality for genuine faith and humility.

If we are made for god, then the love of god must fulfill us deeply. If not forever, then at least in such a way as to transform our understanding of reality forever. As it does with so many people.

I have an interesting question:
Is there anyone you'd be willing to go to Hell for?

Who do you love so greatly that you're willing to sacrifice your eternal salvation to ensure their soul's entrance into Heaven?

>there was violence involved in the "Christianization" of some peoples
You, and maybe this Varg person, need to be able to separate an idea from people who merely profess to believe or adhere to it.

Formal/ Semi-formal. No short pants preferably. Definitely no slippers. Plain shirts better than printed shirts. long sleeved preferred over short.

I believe that question is rather redundant as the scenario would never be asked of you.

Hypothetically I could not even conceive an answer that God would not look down on.

I'd be willing to suffer Hell for anyone.
I want God's Will to be done, whatever that may be. Me suffering for eternity is nothing compared to the magnitude of the sheer Goodness of God in His creation of me, or His Love for us for which Christ died.

Two very different ways to answer, but both very satisfying.
I'm happy to have the perspectives.

>seems to make perfect sense though for your situation of seeking a religion

I didn't consciously seek out a religion. It was all an academic interest until suddenly it wasn't.

>Do you think it would be worthwhile investing yourself in other religions to determine wether they are true given it could cause you such discomfort?

Definitely. Even the idea that I could be religious at all is still very new to me.

I'll give it a watch thank you

My bad, i thought you were one of those "muh jesus is too nice" people. They're pretty entrenched in their nonsense. Responding to evil with good has a dual purpose:

"If your enemy is hungry, give him food to eat; And if he is thirsty, give him water to drink; 22 For you will heap burning coals on his head, And the LORD will reward you."

I remember trump shaking Holt's hands and saying thank you for your excellent moderation or something of the sort. This to me is the epitome of this verse in one moment. It opens doors and creates long term allies when done with genuine good will.

I'm a radical pacifist and anarchist. I follow the Sermon on the Mount to a t.

...

Read Romans chapter 3.
>Spoiler: Yes, they go to hell

Bump

reminder that if you are christian and racist, you're a very bad christian. did God not create all people? are all people not creations of God?

man looks at outward appearance, God looks at the heart

This is why I became an atheist when I was 12

You may still perceive race and identify it as well as the differences that are genetic.

There is absolutely nothing wrong with the understanding of race and the promotion of homogeneity.

...

the only homogeneity is Jesus Christ and God. everything is meaningless

everything else*

in hell. saddening

wrong. read the tower of babel

Explain.

Do you say a man who breathes is committed to the axiom of breathing?

If it were so God would not have given us such identifiable differences

We are all equal in that the kingdom of heaven is in all men but homogeneity is helpful and does not defy God. We should not hate one another for our differences but we should understand them, we should also do what is best and most logical.

Certainly you must see this neither to defy God nor to be sinful?

the tower of babel was people rebelling against God and trying to be better than God and replacing him.

was thinking this point almost exactly

it is your opinion on why God gave identifiable differences and is stated nowhere in the bible by anybody. your opinion is not God's opinion.

shem ham and japeth and their wives repopulated the entire world, therefore we are all distant brothers and sisters. we should act as such.

rebuke with God, not by race. how can you ever understand differences by separating the other people?

This is wrong. We'll certainly stand before God, but the eternal abode of the righteous and the damned are very different places.

Matt 7:21 - 22

Many will say to Me (Jesus) on that day (the day of Judgement), 'Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in Your name, and in Your name cast out demons, and in Your name perform many miracles?' And then I will declare to them, 'I never knew you; DEPART FROM ME, YOU WHO PRACTICE LAWLESSNESS.'

Mark 9: 47 - 48

“If your eye causes you to stumble, throw it out; it is better for you to enter the kingdom of God with one eye, than, having two eyes, to be cast into hell, where THEIR WORM DOES NOT DIE, AND THE FIRE IS NOT QUENCHED.

Even an Orthodox priest admits the idea that "hell is heaven experienced differently" is bunk:

"This view has little to no grounding in either the Scriptural or patristic heritage of the Church, and in fact that heritage very regularly makes assertions that wholly deny the possibility of this view.”

-Archimandrite Irenei (Matthew) Steenberg

Matt 24:50 - 51

the master of that slave will come on a day when he does not expect him and at an hour which he does not know, and will cut him in pieces and assign him a place with the hypocrites; in that place there will be weeping and gnashing of teeth.

Yes, they go to hell. God in his mercy may judge the case individually based on the circumstances as there is something called invincible ignorance. But assuming you are talking about yourself. By reading this post (and others) you just lost that invincible ignorance. Sin literally is separation from god and it is based on choice. If a man lives a righteous life in the eyes of other men but denies god, then he is no different to a nasty criminal that accepts him but is unrepentant.

Christ really does fulfill the soul. You will hear a lot of memes about it in the real world from SJW's and secular media trying to undermine the faith. But the love of god is profoundly satisfying and transformative. There is no pain or big "sting" to fear. It is just the satisfying truth.

So to address your real question "can i just be good and avoid faith". No. Because you are assuming that there is something wrong or evil about faith that makes it wrong for the man trying to be good to obtain.

To tell you this would be lying to myself given how satisfied i feel and how much more satisfied i feel when i get closer to god. I cant imagine why you'd ever want to deny yourself this joy if you are a good and righteous person.

Because the separation only comes from the understanding, otherwise it is filled with hate instead of knowledge and love.

And our differences must be in God's plan otherwise it would not be so.

There is nothing wrong with understanding race and there is nothing wrong with the promotion of homogeneity. They are both beneficial to society and would result in a more loving society overall in all corners of the world.

Reposting my Apostolic Christianity recommended books, then Christian music:

>GENERAL

The Bible (Ignatius Study Bible Recommended)
The catechism of your denomination

>accepted English versions of Bible

NABRE
Douay Rheims
RSV

>THEOLOGY

>novice

Introduction to Christianity by Joseph Ratzinger
Scholastic Metaphysics by Edward Feser
The Last Superstition by Edward Feser
The Everlasting Man by G.K. Chesterton
Orthodoxy by G.K. Chesterton
Mere Christianity
CATHOLICISM by Robert Barron
The Orthodox Way by Kallistos Ware
Outlines of Moral Theology by Francis J. Connell

>intermediate

God: His Existence and His Nature by Reginald Garrigou-Lagrange
Natural Theology by Bernard Boedder
The Spirit of Medieval Philosophy by Etienne Gilson
Against Heresies
City of God
Christianity for Modern Pagans
The Mystical Theology of the Eastern Church

>advanced

Apologia Pro Vita Sua
Summa Contra Gentiles
Summa Theologiae
On the Incarnation
The Didache
Divine Names by Pseudo-Dionysius the Areopagite

Part 1/2

...

Part 2/2
>SPIRITUAL LIFE

>novice

The Introduction to the Devout Life by St. Francis de Sales
Story of a Soul by St. Therese
The Seven Storey Mountain by Thomas Merton
Orthodoxy and the Religion of the Future by Fr Seraphim Rose
Nihilism - Fr Seraphim Rose

>intermediate

The Interior Castle
Spiritual Exercises by St. Ignatius
Dialogues by St. Catherine of Sienna
True Devotion to Mary
True Devotion to the Holy Spirit

>advanced

The Cloud of Unknowing
The Dark Night of the Soul by St. John of the Cross
The Desert Fathers
The Philokalia
The Ladder of Divine Ascent
New Seeds of Contemplation by Thomas Merton
The Imitation of Christ by Thomas Kempis

>HISTORICAL/BIOGRAPHICAL

Rome Sweet Home
The Long Loneliness by Dorothy Day
After Virtue
Christendom I: Founding of Christendom
Theology and Social Theory by John Millbank
Ethics and the Limits of Philosophy by Bernard Williams
Life of St.Anthony by Saint Athanasius
Life of St Francis of Assisi by Saint Bonaventure
Silouan the Athonite by Archimandrite Sophrony
The Autobiography of St. Ignatius Loyol

>FICTION

Don Quixote
The Divine Comedy
Paradise Lost
Silence by Shusaku Endo
A Canticle for Leibowitz
Faust
Les Miserables
The Canterbury Tales
The Man Who Was Thursday
The Brothers Karamazov
A Man for All Seasons
The Pillars of the Earth
The Lord of the Rings
The Chronicles of Narnia
Lord of the World
Parzifal
Joseph of Arimathea: A Romance of the Grail
The Arthurian Cycle

2 Thessalonians Chapter 1 (Paul, Silvanus, and Timoth are writing to the Thessalonians) starting at verse 6:

>(...)it is a righteous thing with God to repay with tribulation those who trouble you, and to give you who are troubled rest with us when the Lord Jesus is revealed from heaven with His mighty angels, in flaming fire taking vengeance on those who do not know God, and on those who do not obey the Gospel of our Lord Jesus Christ. These shall be persecuted with everlasting destruction from the presence of the Lord and from the glory of His power

This makes it clear that the damned don't go down to some subterranean layer to be tortured by the devil. Rather, to be damned is to stand in the presence of God and not know him. God's glory is experienced by such as everlasting destruction.

Those who do not know Him in this context are those who are persecuting the Thessalonians that the saints are writing to.

Christian music next.

>Marvin Gaye's "God is Love"
youtube.com/watch?v=nA7C815I104
>Woven Hand's "My Russia"
youtube.com/watch?v=vbUXbMn2zfc
>Om's Pilgrimage Album
youtube.com/watch?v=IK6wJUNirbs
>Sufjan Steven's "No Shade in the Shadow of the Cross"
youtube.com/watch?v=qx1s_3CF07k
>mewithoutyou - Sun and Moon
youtube.com/watch?v=9Mor7syiTSE
>Young Oceans - ONLY YOU
youtube.com/watch?v=imEvd1ck4fs
>Bobby McFerrin's Joshua
youtube.com/watch?v=7DRketdk07o
>Psalter's Lord's Prayer
youtube.com/watch?v=L3rT8YVJERk
>Janelle Monae's Victory
youtube.com/watch?v=mJ6wkOO_MEA
>Johnny Cash's God's Gonna Cut You Down
youtube.com/watch?v=ht7mxF9XZiA
>Nick Drake - Pink Moon (full album)
youtube.com/watch?v=CPbWMvQwroo
>Mary Lou Williams - Anima Christi
youtube.com/watch?v=4fv14RFfRLA
>Dr. C.J. Johnson's "You Better Run"
youtube.com/watch?v=bchmhIdZgys
>Judee Sill's Heart Food
youtube.com/watch?v=KI7sOZQaSkI
>Dave Bixby's "Free Indeed"
youtube.com/watch?v=JhHBGRr2XDE
>The Revolutionary Army of the Infant Jesus' "Beauty After the Fall"
youtube.com/watch?v=mcbJFvje29A

Hymns

>A nice Latin hymn
youtube.com/watch?v=xRi1GDoaQu4
>Nice Orthodox hymn
youtube.com/watch?v=Mw8XE3j_c0U
>A nice Coptic hymn
youtube.com/watch?v=vL1lxH7s3Cw
>18th century English hymn
youtube.com/watch?v=b1bSlS6OWTs
>The Lord's Prayer in Swahili, done in song.
youtube.com/watch?v=IJiHDmyhE1A
>A nice collection of South Pacific Island hymns from the movie The Thin Red Line
youtube.com/watch?v=7A1Z5CEXDM4
>Hail Mary in Latin, done in song.
youtube.com/watch?v=ihNVhFA_X3I
>Hallelujah Chorus done suddenly in the public
youtube.com/watch?v=wp_RHnQ-jgU
>Quality Icelandic hymn
youtube.com/watch?v=e4dT8FJ2GE0

separation comes from understanding? wow i can't believe i'm hearing this.

and isn't homogeneity in christ better than homogeneity in genetics?

the differences must be in God's plan, and what is that? maybe a lesson to see if we can unite or divide under something as retarded as genetics?

we have no idea. the differences might just be that, differences. not even part of God's plan.

maybe it is part of satan's plan hmmm..

God looks at the heart.

there is neither jew nor gentile, for all are one under Jesus Christ

do you think it is impossible for non-whites to be christians? do you ignore the obvious black biblical heroes?

Very interesting question. Profoundly challenging and interesting even if it is not theologically sound (god would want us all to aspire to be with him in heaven). I do not think i could do it for anyone else no, not even my lover or parents, i am too selfish in my love for god to want to be separate from him for anyone else.

But this question makes me think. Maybe this "selfishness" too is imperfect. As peter was both selfish loving and imperfect.

For some reason there is a deep satisfaction in this question regarding the idea of living as if you are sacrificing your soul so that others may enter heaven. As though you will "take" damnation for the saving of others.

There is a profundity in here user. Thank you for the question. It really cleans up the "selfish" part of the self in reflection. Its testing of the limits of noble and biblical self sacrifice.

Genuinely thought provoking. First time my almonds vibrated unironically.

>I have an interesting question:
>Is there anyone you'd be willing to go to Hell for?

>Who do you love so greatly that you're willing to sacrifice your eternal salvation to ensure their soul's entrance into Heaven?

Saving this.

>Is there anyone you'd be willing to go to Hell for?

This is a pretty redundant question, honestly.

The note does not mean meet in heaven. But means meet on earth. To be as brothers are, joined in solidarity.

here I am, servant of the Lord.

Yes, with secular Multiculturalism

Did you mean to reply to me?

>the eternal abode of the righteous and the damned are very different places

I agree. There's quite literally an infinite difference between being in communion with God and not.

>I never knew you; DEPART FROM ME

This is consistent with what I've said.

>“If your eye causes you to stumble, throw it out; it is better for you to enter the kingdom of God with one eye, than, having two eyes, to be cast into hell, where THEIR WORM DOES NOT DIE, AND THE FIRE IS NOT QUENCHED.

This is consistent with what I've said as well.

The experience of God for the unrepentant will truly be torturous.

Maybe you were responding to a comment I didn't see.

key word secular

The separation SHOULD come from the understanding as we begin to see the strength in a homogeneous society, failure to understand the strength in homogeneity is nothing short of ignorance.

Homogeneity in Christ is good and helps us get to know one another, allows us a way to understand one another but still ethnic homogeneity is good as well, it provides a healthy nation made to last without ethnic based confrontation.

God's plan could be a great many things and on this earth we are left to interpret. You have applied your opinion unto God's plan for genetics as I did and yet you attacked me for doing so. You should see now that this is only natural to do as we are unknowing in many regards.

One thing we do know is that even as young children we prefer our race to others, not our of contempt for others but out of love of our own and should promote this in our society.

And no, it was never even implied that I think non-whites can't be Christians, oddly enough I find it funny that you assumed me white. Everything that I have said could be said by any man of any race and still it would hold true and still I would believe him.

I even said that the kingdom of God is in all men, as in regardless of race.

It seems to me that you are being ignorant.

>If someone lives a righteous life and is a genuinely good person, but doesn't believe in Christ either because he never really got brought up in it, or just plain doesn't accept the existence or Resurrection of him, do they go to hell?

No offcouse not they would go to heaven eventualy after the last judgement , but you will be judged about every single word what came out of your mouth

The Final Judgment

>11And I saw a great white throne, and him that sat on it, from whose face the earth and the heaven fled away; and there was found no place for them. 12And I saw the dead, small and great, stand before God; and the books were opened: and another book was opened, which is the book of life: and the dead were judged out of those things which were written in the books, according to their works. 13And the sea gave up the dead which were in it; and death and hell delivered up the dead which were in them: and they were judged every man according to their works. 14And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death. 15And whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire.

no, because my "opinions" are backed up scripturally, breathed into the prophets by God or written by Jesus' disciples. yours are your own opinions never implied by God or anyone.

homogeneity in Christ is actually the plan for the end times, it is the only way for a truly peaceful world. Christ is the prince of peace, genetics has NOTHING to do with ability to prosper. in fact, the tower of babel they were prospering SO MUCH against God.

as said before, noah and his three sons prospered, in fact they were the only righteous people on earth so they were saved from the flood, therefore we are distant siblings and it is definitely possible for us to prosper "heteregenously" w/e the fuck that means becaues we are all humans.

and well, i know that you are white, wouldn't that make me smart, and not ignorant?

Here am I, the servant of the Lord.

i feel like i am being harrassed by demons. I sense something around me and i see things move in the corner of my eyes, but nothing is there. Maybe I am stressed... sometimes I feel like God abandoned me for being a reprobate, and i feel guilty and apologize for everything i do. Blessed is Jesus Christ, my ONLY savior from my own undoing!

demons do harass us, you might be more perceptive to them.

What is hell in this context then? a holding area? Where are the dead righteous until final judgement?

Oh, and I've been wanting to add this section for fun:

>MEMETICS

Things Hidden Since the Foundation of the World by Rene Girard
I See Satan Fall Like Lightning by Rene Girard

I understand what you're saying, and I do agree with you.

I was more worried about friends and family who might be the kindest people to me and others that I would not be able to be with in the afterlife if I am a Christian.

>>MEMETICS
I made this

Most christians are not christians , i think 99% wont make the first resurrection and the 1000 years reign with christ.

I'd like to jump into the race debate. What I'm about to say is heretical for all I know.

Here's what we know:

1) God is by definition three Persons with one essence that exist in a communion of absolute love.

2) Love by definition is that which is shared. This entails

3) God created us to be in communion with (share love with) Him.

4) Human beings are created matter in the likeness of God. We connect the created to the uncreated, the material to the spiritual. We are to bring the created to the uncreated.

5) Man broke from this role when it valued the material over the spiritual. This broke the bridge between the created and the uncreated.

6) This is the origin of sin, and thus corruption. Sin and corruption may be understood as that which is not in the service of God.

What follows is my speculation

7) This corruption of the cosmos can be understood figuratively as entropy, or a tendency towards disorderliness in the created world (the uncreated is God himself and is thus incorruptible).

8) This tendency towards disorder is behind what we understand in science as literal entropy.

9) Differentiation among humans is a result of this.

Those are my thoughts.

Your opinions are not backed up scriptually, your opinions are backed up by modernist opinion applied to verse, nothing more.

There are no direct guidelines for running a nation in scripture, there are problems that have no copy and paste answer, we can only interpret scripture and apply it as best we can to certain situations and combine it with logic and nature and with all this you can create homogenous societies, of any race, all under Christ, that promotes well being and prosperity.

You then have both ethnic and religious homogeneity in nations and global religious homogeneity.

Your humanist mindset doesn't work and it can be seen in almost any Western society. You've been proven wrong just by the mere existence of multiculturalism in western cities.

And no, you're still ignorant because had I been anything but white you would have made a false implication. You had no proof of me being white beforehand and merely gambled with the outcome.

they really are backed up scripturally.

and yes, running a nation was given by moses, the 10 commandments. the israelites were his people, to be an example to humanity, and David's line (Jesus) will rule humanity.

i am not applying a modernist anything to verse. it literally talks nothing about race, only God.

your opinions are your opinions on running ethnic homogenous nations, which hitler was the only one who kinda got it right, and he was a man of God, and had honorary aryans or w/e, people willing to preserve german culture who were of different ethnic origin. hitler actually never cared about ethnic origin, what he cared about were people trying to force ethnic hetergeneity.

multiculturalism in western cities has failed because of satanistic and oppressive laws. communism actually does homogenize the people, (i am from cuba) but it is an extremely oppressive system.

therefore true homogenization will happen under Jesus, and people will never look at skin color or genetics again.

so why can't we start now?

but i knew you were white..sooo if you weren't you'd be acting a little differently.

you lost me lol.

Pray for their soul. God is listening and he does work through us and with us. Do not be afraid of bringing it up. IF you are though, learn more and do not be afraid. God is not here to hurt he is here to bring peace.

youtube.com/watch?v=HNZU5NDPXuA

But you cannot run a nation so simply in this day as that is not how the world works, you blame the failure of multiculturalism on everything but the key component, and then talk about how Communism homogenizes people without irony.

And of course you didn't know I was white and only assumed it, odd how you can see and know skin color so easily.

I'll refrain from the conversation from this point forward as you haven't even the slightest understanding of truth or the difference in race and profit of ethnic homogeneity and quite frankly your denial of your own modernist dogma is just further sign of your ignorance. Thank you for proving that race is a key identifying factor while also trying to preach about it not making a difference though, it made for a good laugh.

Maybe one day you can see through your own hypocrisy and we can try this again.

Until then God bless.

Being a racist is your god given curse , and you need to find a way to over come that struggle . For we are all the same in heaven , this becomes more of a struggle when you have dumb and aggresive niggers.

>This makes it clear that the damned don't go down to some subterranean layer to be tortured by the devil.

The Scripture never says the damned are tortured by satan; this is man's idea.

>Rather, to be damned is to stand in the presence of God and not know him.

Jesus says "I never knew you" not "You never knew me". But the apostle wouldn't contradict his master so either there are two groups of condemned or this is two different ways to say the same thing: If Jesus does not know a person then they certainly cannot know Him.

>God's glory is experienced by such as everlasting destruction.

Rather it is His power which brings about their destruction.

The scripture you quoted contradicts your own idea that the damned are bathing in God's love and only their own stubbornness prevents them from receiving it:

"when the Lord Jesus is revealed from heaven with His mighty angels, in flaming fire taking vengeance on those who do not know God, and on those who do not obey the Gospel of our Lord Jesus Christ. These shall be persecuted with everlasting destruction from the presence of the Lord and from the glory of His power"

Everlasting destruction and vengeance based on God's divine power have nothing to do with love. It is clear that the damned are outside of God's presence and do not have a place in heaven.

Besides, there is no suffering or crying in heaven. Do you think you will be glorifying God next to someone who can't stop screaming?

And since there is no sorrow in heaven, what if someone saw a person they knew in this life that was damned? They would feel sorrow and pity for them, in fact I would wager anyone in heaven who saw someone in torment would feel pity for them. What do the scriptures say about this possibility?

Rev 21:4
He (our God) will wipe away every tear from their eyes; and there will no longer be any death; there will no longer be any mourning, or crying, or pain; the first things have passed away."

Shortly,

If man hadn't sinned, there would be no division between us. There would be differences (see below), but not division.

Revelation 2:17

>He who has an ear, let him hear what the Spirit says to the churches. To him who overcomes I will give some of the hidden manna to eat. And I will give him a white stone, and on the stone a new name written which no one knows except him who receives it.

When we are forgiven and come into communion with God we are purified and renewed [white, new]. This name reveals our true self, before known only to God (and thus unique).

i'm from a communist country lol no one cares about shit except escaping cuba or eating/music/having sex. so don't i have authority to speak on cultural marxism since i'm a product of it?

you want to leave the conversation because you realize you're wrong. and i even used your god hitler against you. you care more about ethnicity and eugenics rather than the content of one's own heart.

fucking shame on you, your god hitler would not be proud. neither would the only God. but he understands we are all sinners, so w/e. just be less racist. and vote trump

oh ok. i undderstand.

>>“If your eye causes you to stumble, throw it out; it is better for you to enter the kingdom of God with one eye, than, having two eyes, to be cast into hell, where THEIR WORM DOES NOT DIE, AND THE FIRE IS NOT QUENCHED.

Why do you use the verse for hell literal and then the other part you use it as a methaphor , or does jesus say you have to cut of body parts to prevent to sin

I'm a white tranny.

Is there any church I can join that wont hate me?

I've like mormies for a while, but they'll never take me.

Sleeping or dead

there is 1 resurrection in christ and one resurrection of the damned

lazarus is righteous so he gets resurrected with the first resurrection

>11These things said he: and after that he saith unto them, Our friend Lazarus sleepeth; but I go, that I may awake him out of sleep. 12Then said his disciples, Lord, if he sleep, he shall do well. 13Howbeit Jesus spake of his death: but they thought that he had spoken of taking of rest in sleep. 14Then said Jesus unto them plainly, Lazarus is dead.

>23Jesus saith unto her, Thy brother shall rise again. 24Martha saith unto him, I know that he shall rise again in the resurrection at the last day.

So the righteous just sleep until the second comming, i cant say for sure what happens to the unrighteous in between , my guess is also sleep

Hell is the place for the fallen angels waiting on judgement not humans

>For if God spared not the angels that sinned, but cast them down to hell, and delivered them into chains of darkness, to be reserved unto judgment;

youtube.com/watch?v=5_fJ2QaIK8s

>The scripture you quoted contradicts your own idea that the damned are bathing in God's love and only their own stubbornness prevents them from receiving it

Do you believe that God's presence isn't love? If not, it doesn't contradict what I've said.

At the very least, it tells us that those who persecute Christians are "persecuted with everlasting destruction from the PRESENCE of the Lord and from the glory of His power."

>Rather it is His power which brings about their destruction.

I agree with this. God could end their "everlasting destruction" at any time.

To this point I think we're exactly in agreement.

>Everlasting destruction and vengeance based on God's divine power have nothing to do with love. It is clear that the damned are outside of God's presence and do not have a place in heaven.

They have everything to do with love. In the Scripture God is love and love is God by definition. "Everlasting destruction" is caused by a separation from God, which is necessarily a separation from love.

I'm still fairly certain we're saying the same thing in different ways.

I see only one difference: you conceptualize Hell as a different geographical coordinate from the presence of God while I believe that what awaits us is the infinite God.

>God is love
St. John

>God is a consuming fire
Heb 12.29

>those who find themselves in hell will be chastised by the scourge of love. How cruel and bitter this torment of love will be! For those who understand that they have sinned against love, undergo no greater suffering than those produced by the most fearful tortures. The sorrow which takes hold of the heart, which has sinned against love, is more piercing than any other pain. It is not right to say that the sinners in hell are deprived of the love of God ... But love acts in two ways, as suffering of the reproved, and as joy in the blessed!
St. Isaac

Based Varg

Ah forgot the verse , hell is a human meme , they made grave =hades=hell , then they use jesus parabels to create doctrines . Like peter you are my rock , and now every idiot thinks he is in the church of jesus christ , but they cant be all right can they? ,

2 Peter 2:4

>For if God spared not the angels that sinned, but cast them down to hell, and delivered them into chains of darkness, to be reserved unto judgment;

wrong thread,

Repent you wretched heathen

From the footnote in my Orthodox Study Bible

>The reference to mutilation is an illustration of decisive action to avoid sin and does not advocate literal amputation. This also refers to harmful relationships that must be severed for the salvation of all parties.

i believe it is all in your head, and denying what God made you as at birth is the more important thing you should be thinking about. I pray you find Jesus, my beloved.

My favorite story from the Bible as a kid was David beating Goliath. Even though I was tall as a kid, it stuck with me, but lately I've been thinking: How about doing the right thing in spite of proof or having conviction in the absence of it, which brings me to the story of Shadrach, Mesach and Abednego.

They were willing to be thrown into the furnace even if God did not show himself. They were resolute, which I feel that we should try to be in some aspect of life. I'm probably rambling on here, but I appreciate moments like this.

>From the footnote in my Orthodox Study Bible

Duh any idiot can tell you its not literal

And by moments, I mean threads. Time for sleep, clearly!

I don't wanna do that though :c I tried and it didn't work. Why can't I just be me? Why did god do it? I don't want to be a man...

Greetings, brothers in Paul.

youtube.com/watch?v=x8PZCA47hS8
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false-apostle-paul-archive.blogspot.com/

you asked

>or does jesus say you have to cut of body parts to prevent to sin

and I answered

The cathocuck church would have no problem with you , or any church would accept you or else they are bigots

>Christian
>heritage
choose one

I'm counting on that legendary forgiveness or I will never get to heaven.

777
Worthy is the Lamb

>tfw knights of columbus meeting on monday to plan hockey group tickets
>tfw my church is gonna be some shoes for poorfag donation center and they will need guys to load shoes

No, i asked you why do you use one part of the verse literal and the other a methaphor , the cutting of body parts was sarcastic

shut up faggot

You can ask our Father through prayer or in Heaven if you decide to repent and follow Jesus Christ :)

I was once a homosexual, but after time spent chasing our Savior rather than my fleshy "needs" and thinking about why i was a homosexual I discovered it has deepest roots to my childhood molestation. I do not practice that lifestyle anymore. Have you thought about WHY you believe yourself to be what you arent? Jesus loves you, and so do I, please come home soon.

Thank you for sharing. I like hearing about the passages of Scripture that connect with people.

>Jesus Christ :)
his name is Rabbi Joshua bin Joseph

I'd rather join Islam just to kill you.

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my name is Joseph and what are you talking about

>I'll be meeting with an Orthodox priest next week to discuss the Church.
Orthodox Christianity seems to be exploding right now in the united states. I myself am a cradle catholic who converted to Orthodoxy a few years ago. It really doesn't surprise me this is happening. People are despairing in our soulless culture and they are thirsty for Jesus, some probably don't even realize it

>What should I ask him?
Ask him how to serve the Lord with faith and humility, and then do as he says. You are on the right path, user

>This is one of my favorite stories.
It's a beautiful story of redemption. It reminds me of Saint Paul himself, because he used to persecute Christians before converting

My only advice to you user is not to let pride or vanity contaminate your nature. Remember always that you are a SINNER like all the rest of us, and we're all journeying towards Christ together

Niggas, I'm gonna start selling pussy, I think. It's a rough game though, if I pray to Joshua bin Joseph do you think he'd help me sell pussy? I wanna get women under my control, that part's easy, just give em some crack. But I gotta keep them under my thumb and get them out there sucking cocks so I can get rich. I'm thinking of going to virgin christian bitches like OP who live in the basement and selling pussy to them.

It sounds like a good plan, and isn't any different from what jeshua and his apimpstles did, so he would definitely approve and throw you ome bones, because real recognize real, ya heard?

word is bond

Lol please tell me what teaching paul gives what will get me in to hell
>Matthew 22:37-40King James Version (KJV)

>37 Jesus said unto him, Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind.

>38 This is the first and great commandment.

>39 And the second is like unto it, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.

>40 On these two commandments hang all the law and the prophets.

>hang all the law and the prophets.

A nigga gotta make bond, from time to time.

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Orthodoxy is unapologetic and everything else -- especially the non-Orthodox churches -- are nothing but constant apology. Catholicism is as openly Marxist as it can be.

>youtube.com/watch?v=9npnLdwdjUU
Responding to this video , muh paul is a test

rate my homelyfu

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>Why can't I just be me?
>Why me?
You make it seem like you are filled with self pity, trust me you are the only one who feels this way about yourself.
What you know as the self is a contrivance of many different experiences that shaped your ego into what it is now. You need to ask yourself why you let yourself become this way, did someone in your past encourage this behavior while you were still young and open to all thoughts and suggestions? Are you possibly emulating the behavior of somebody to whom you admired? You have been yourself this whole time, our minds are very programmable. With a bit of work(prayer), some mental fortitude, and purging of the ego you will come to figure it out for yourself.

>I don't want to be a man...
Tough, you cannot separate your chromosomes and put an x allele in place of the y allele. Learn to love yourself.

You don't need religion to find a spiritual connection with the lord of spirits. Although it is a useful tool for letting god into your heart to guide your path once you have given up your ego. I will pray for you to have perseverance and wisdom.

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nigga goes to meet jeebus

The current Pope is a commie, but if you actually go to a Catholic church and talk to people there, you won't be finding many Marxists, that's for sure.

nigga goes to meet jewsus

I don't take either literally. Two things are happening.

1) Jesus is speaking metaphorically about that which we can understand: amputation is a metaphor for action against sin

2) Jesus is speaking metaphorically about that which we can't understand. We don't know what direct experience of God is like. God is called fire and appears in forms described in Scripture as fire (most notably as the burning bush), but he's not literally a combustion reaction. It's a metaphor for something beyond our understanding.

nigga borrows a bike

>Cringe: The Thread

Hey whatever helps you float your life raft anons. Just the tip for you though, you're some feeble-minded fgts lost at sea looking for land in the wrong direction.

>tfw I have never met one ortodox Christian

dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3816405/Man-gets-35-years-killing-dismembering-ex-wife.html

dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3816363/Funeral-four-siblings-killed-father-Detroit.html

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nigger babies lives matter

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someone needs to stop those racist police

... I gotta give this negro credit - he obviously took a dive - knowing it was being filmed, knowing it would be viewed negatively towards law enforcement... pretty smart desu

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Go back to jerking off to cartoon frogs you fedora-tipping faggot.

ask him why he clearly violate god law by bowing down to and worshipping the bones and relics and images of the dead.

>The current Pope is a commie, but if you actually go to a Catholic church and talk to people there, you won't be finding many Marxists, that's for sure.
how can they be true catholics if they don't believe in muh infallibility? if you like smells, bells and golden candelabras, but you think the pope is full of it, i have news for you - you are Orthodox and just don't know it yet

youtu.be/isxvXITTLLY
Thread theme.
DEUS VULT!

Infallability only applies to doctrinal matters.

>our Risen Lord
>the dead
you are in error

>made in god's image

Ask him if Jews are right that Jesus wasn't the Messiah or if muslims are right that Jesus was just a prophet and not the son of God.

Should make for fun conversations about imaginary friends.

This reads like one of those "Shit that never happened" fat girl posts.

I like these threads very much and hope they will keep coming. They tend to be posted too late for me in EST zone tho. More regular US/EU hours? Standard OP pastebin? More General Christianity than Orthodox? I like what's developing here, I hope to always see an XP Gen thread in Cred Forums- when you understand the true nature of the western world today, you know this is an important redpill topic. Thanks for the efforts, guys

Jesus was a dark skinned Arab Jew. No thanks.

Out of all the prophets in the Old Testament, which one had a pretty peculiar or noteworthy dream or vision? (besides Daniel)

ezek seeing bones coming together and talking

Utnapishtim.

Orthodox Videos

youtube.com/watch?v=0DYHIFsqxFk
youtube.com/watch?v=XfMStUdokKY
youtube.com/watch?v=XP0J2eDPIjU

>do they go to hell?

Yes

Now you should understand why degeneracy is bad.

>Arab Jew
Not really. The Arabs expanded post 7th century. He was closer to Assad than the modern kikes in looks. Not that you'd care. You've got an agenda, can't let truth stand in your way.

Why are people such shit on global history? The Arab expansion happened 300-600 years after Christ. Jesus is not Arab or dark skinned.

the central theme of christianity is sin.

no one is free from it, and sin is, in its most basic definition, a man trying to be God.

A genuinely good person is not possible in my opinion. ultimately they do it for their self-satisfaction, glory and legacy.

Its very cynical and I might be wrong but ultimately thats what i think

Ask him about this
youtube.com/watch?v=eE-J2XeD9X0

wow Varg BTFO, how can he recover from some moron putting word in his mouth?

Now about Hitler:
“…the only way of getting rid of Christianity is to allow it to die little by little.” –Hitler’s Table Talk, pg 61

“It’s Christianity that’s the liar. It’s in perpetual conflict with itself.” –Hitler’s Table Talk, pg 61

“In the long run, National Socialism and religion will no longer be able to exist together.” –Hitler’s Table Talk, pg 6

“Kerrl, with the noblest of intentions, wanted to attempt a synthesis between National Socialism and Christianity. I don’t believe the thing’s possible, and I see the obstacle in Christianity itself.” –Hitler’s Table Talk, pg 145

“As far as we are concerned, we’ve succeeded in chasing the Jews from our midst and excluding Christianity from our political life.” –Hitler’s Table Talk, pg 394

“There is something very unhealthy about Christianity.” –Hitler’s Table Talk, pg 418

“The reason why the ancient world was so pure, light and serene was that it knew nothing of the two great scourges: the pox and Christianity. Christianity is a prototype of Bolshevism: the mobilisation by the Jew of the masses of slaves with the object of undermining society. Thus one understands that the healthy elements of the Roman world were proof against this doctrine.” –Hitler’s Table Talk, pg 75-76

“When all is said, we have no reason to wish that the Italians and Spaniards should free themselves from the drug of Christianity. Let’s be the only people who are immunised against the disease.” –Hitler’s Table Talk, pg 145

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Confess and do your penance faithfully. Remember that even Saint Peter denied the Lord, yet he repented and was forgiven.

Pray the rosary everyday in the hope that you will be granted the gift of faith. May God bless you.

>sample size
>no source

He hated vargs with a passion.
>table talks
I'd trust them if they were banned like Solzhenitsyn's 200 years together.

Sumeria is the origin of the written word. Connection to cultures and history is not really anything against claims - except that of Islam, where they got their holy book "straight from the heavens".
Why should Christians believe that all beings are wrong about everything?
>Elohim is polytheism
>what is Trinity
>what is the nature of God

Is that why surrounded himself with Pagans?
Is that why he joined Thule society sponsored party?
Did Goebbels and Speer lie too?

The Führer is deeply religious, though completely anti-Christian. He views Christianity as a symptom of decay. Rightly so. It is a branch of the Jewish race. This can be seen in the similarity of their religious rites. Both (Judaism and Christianity) have no point of contact to the animal element, and thus, in the end they will be destroyed. The Führer is a convinced vegetarian on principle.

—Goebbels Diaries, 29 December 1939

He believed that Christianity was corrupted, Paul corrupted it. but he didn't hate Jesus.

Good sees all of time and space at once.

Say, for example, I pray for the victims of 9/11. If God wishes to grant that prayer, He can go to those victims and change anything He wishes. Then, even though I cannot see any change, since, from my perspective, the change happened in the past, my prayer did have an affect on those victims.

You doubt it because it's nonsense. Why would you believe in nonsense like original sin, atonement, infallible pope etc

Here I am the servant of the Lord

>bible

Ah yes, the book that conveniently says the whole world is under the control of the evil one so some dickless wizard can whisper you he is satan and that he owns your soul so you believe you owe him shit.

But the true religion could be about dragon rouge vs dragon weiss, which is kind of a religion about wizards and dragons.

>b-but satan gave me

What satan, lol, the whole book is false as fuck

>but i was given this and that by jesus

Sure m8, that's why there's always talk about how prayer never comes

You sure you wanna give your butt to a dick that gives aids only and no other thing because your soul "was already his"?

I've cursed Gods name many of times, therefore I personally believe that I've committed the unforgivable sin. I have lost all hope and faith in Christianity and God. It is a sad path I chose, but I will never be able to regain forgiveness. I shall always remain condemned to hell for the rest of my life on Earth.

Arrogant little user. Take the narrow road and go the extra mile, see what happens in your life

It states directly, that if one commits the unforgivable sin, it is unforgivable. Hence the name.

Therefore, if there is no redemption, there is no point.

>Is that why surrounded himself with Pagans?
Himmler and Rosenberg were a minority. He called out Himmler on the foolhardy nature of his, though.
>Did Goebbels and Speer lie too?
Likely not, but I find it dubious that all the anti-Christian rhetoric starts out during the second world war.
>Both (Judaism and Christianity) have no point of contact to the animal element
Except that it is the beast needing to be tamed. Succumb to it, and you've lost.
Well, guess I found out why they didn't get divine protection.
>Paul corrupted it
By what ideas, I wonder?
>he didn't hate Jesus.
That's a relief.

>that if one commits the unforgivable sin, it is unforgivable.
Cursing God's name hardly fits the bill. The sin against the Holy Spirit is the only unforgivable one.
Did you "steal" God's words and play God, like the rabbis?

This will take forever but with the let us make man in our image. This context is interesting, cause the origin of Genesis according to the Documentary Hypothesis is P which is priestly text that dates around about 600-500BC. The us part of it is coherent to what he's saying but misunderstands who it is is the us part. In Ancient Israelite culture they did believe that other gods existed but that only one was worthy to worship since the convenant he made with them. The us in the sentence is to refer to the other gods in the picture not the trinity which lacks evidence, but the next part is that YHWH/Elohim created them not other gods. This phrase is rather to indicate he (only he) wanted to make them in the divine representation that all other Elohim were.

How does one "sin against the Holy Spirit" then?

Thank you friend and may God bless you too.

>How does one "sin against the Holy Spirit" then?
>blasphemy against the Holy Spirit, is any sin that a person clings to by continually resisting the convicting power of the Holy Spirit.
>In Acts 7:51 Stephen says the following to the Pharisees, "You stiff-necked and uncircumcised in heart and ears! You always resist the Holy Spirit; as your fathers did, so do you.”
Don't be a jew.

If you feel guilty for your sin, I highly doubt you're in as bad shape as you think.

I found this for you
biblegateway.com/blog/2012/10/what-is-the-unforgivable-sin/

And remember, to despair in spite of the love of Christ is also sin.

Thanks user, I'll look into it.

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I sing thy grace, O Sovereign Lady, and pray to thee to grace my mind.

Teach me to step right in the way of Christ’s commandments.

Strengthen me to keep awake in song and dispel the dream of despondency.

Release me, bound with bonds of sin, O bride of God, by thy prayers.

Guard me by night and also by day, and drive away my foes who defeat me.

O Bearer of God, the Giver of Life, enliven me who am deadened by passions.

O bearer of the unfailing Light, enlighten my blinded soul.

O Marvellous Palace of the Master, make me a house of the Divine Spirit.

O Mother of the Healer, heal the perennial passions of my soul.

Guide me to the path of repentance, for I am tossed in the storm of life.

Deliver me from eternal fire, from wicked war and from hell.

Expose me guilty as I am of many sins.

Renew me, grown old from senseless sins,

O most Immaculate One. Present me untouched by all torments, and pray for me to the Lord of all.

Grant me to receive the joys of Heaven with all the Saints.

O most holy Virgin, hear the voice of thy unprofitable servant.

Grant me torrents of tears, O most Pure One, to cleanse my soul from impurity.

I offer the groans of my heart to Thee unceasingly.

Strive for me, O Sovereign Lady.

Accept my service of supplication and offer it to compassionate God.

O thou who art above the Angels, raise me above this world’s confusion.

O Light-bearing heavenly Tabernacle, direct the grace of the Spirit in me.

I raise my hands and lips in thy praise, defiled as they are by impurity, O All-Immaculate One.

Deliver me from soul-corrupting evils, and fervently intercede to Christ to Whom is due honour with adoration, now and ever, and to the ages of ages.
Amen.