You realize if trump were elected and began implementing these trade policies...

You are indeed correct about the effects of a trade war that would occur should trump do what he says he would do. It would be especially stupid considering those jobs wont come back. The manufscturing might, but jobs wont

The larger point that everyone seems to be missing is that its automation eating up those manufacturing jobs, far far more than free trade. Like for every 5 jobs that gets automated, we are losing 1 job to offshoring. Not that losing any jobs is good, but its an inevitable part of the US having such a higher standard of living than other countries do. If those jobs dont get lost to offshoring, they will be automated shortly. And if they dont get automated, those companies will not be competitive and will fail.

Look at the case of Japan. They have protectionist trade policy but have fared just as bad or worse than the US in terms of losing manufacturing jobs. See pic related. Tarriffs (and even blatant racism and disregard for foreign products) didnt help them keep those jobs. Instead, they have not participated in the upside of free trade and their economy has suffered for it.

Ps neither Japans nor US manufacturing sector is struggling both are growing, they are just more and more automated, employing fewer workers.

Trump btfo

>What you're failing to mention is that most people would be able to get jobs that would allow them to pay for those goods.

anyone, anywhere in this country can get a job right now. there's "help wanted" signs in almost every single store i visit on a weekly basis.

the only reason you guys coo up to trump is because people like blaming ALL of their problems on the government, including employment.

"OBAMA DAT NIGGER DUN T00K MY JAWB"

any smart person can find a job. if you're not smart you won't get one, and you deserve to live poor. enjoy my tax dollars for your welfare.

>you realize if trump were elected and began implementing these trade policies, the cost of the goods you pay for would skyrocket, right?

and with a decent job people would actually be able to afford it.

America lost most of it's manufacturing and what was it replaced by? Service industry. A nation of baristas and Mcdonald's fry cooks looking for $15 an hour minimum wage.

Seems like those "cheaper products" are really working to our benefit, eh?

>be successfuly businessman
>make good money in America
>dumbass politicians pass NAFTA
>now losing money in America
>need to outsource to make any money now
>see this is crumbling America year after year
>finally step up to the plate and fix what the politicians fucked up

This is why I'm voting Trump.

Literally nothing matters as much as the immigration question because spics are shown to vote for commie economic policy into the 4th generation and to continue as a permanent underclass (2nd gen outperforms 1st in income, but 3rd and beyond decline relative to US median).

This is a recipe for a permanent underclass continually voting for larger government and a swollen, creaking welfare state that continues to grow and leech the lifeblood from the productive members of society.

>manufacturing jobs go back to the US of A
>Americans get employed
>the average American has more wealth
>because the goods are now manufactured in the US of A, they're actually cheaper
>US economy grows
>debt shrinks

Nobody disagrees with this, doesn't matter where you are on the political spectrum. Socialists like this because they love the worker, Capitalists like this because they love growing economies

It's the one thing any true American can agree on

You realize you gotta crack a few eggs to make an omelet, right?

Capitalists like me will argue with this. We like free trade. It helps everyone. See

that makes you a globalist

>I'd rather buy more McCrap than support my neighbors and fellow countrymen

This is why proposition nations don't work.

There has been manufacturing jobs replaced by Automated machinery,

Right now there are 12.3 Million people working in the Manufacturing industry.

From 1970 - 2000 there was around 17 - 19 million jobs.

The government has been assisting about 1million of these workers, the others are homeless, dead, or found work else where (Often having to cut back heavily in life)

I love buying stuff cheap, but we don't instead companies have a 500+% inflation on the cost of manufacturing to support Advertising + their Greedy CEO's this is why we are paying $700 for a phone that costs $50 bucks to manufacture.

Anyways here's an article showing how NAFTA has been ruining America, but I agree we are at the point where we can't go back, and Trump doesn't realize it's to late to Save America's Manufacturing industry, but there's enough time to Preserve it, and eventually it may grow.

theeconomiccollapseblog.com/archives/nafta-is-20-years-old-here-are-20-facts-that-show-how-it-is-destroying-the-economy

>hurr no we don't need to employ americans to sell our products
>hurr it's better if we enslave chinese 12 year olds to produce our stuff so we have less jobs here and buying the products OF AMERICAN OWNED COMPANIES back from the country where they were manufactured with exorbitant tariffs just so my t-shirts are a little cheaper

Well yes. But also a capitalist. Capitalists prefer free and open markets, not taxes and regulations

>mass fashion culture dies as clothing and shoes become more expensive
>electronics become less throwaway
>people have to budget their food realistically
>less consumerism and materialism all around
Why is this not a good thing?

capitalists prefer competitive markets to benefit their people, the "free" part is just what globalists have been using as an excuse to fuck first world countries out of jobs so they can abuse third world people like modern day slavery

>anecdotal evidence

If NAFTA is bad, why is US unemployment so low

But manufactiring in the US is the highest its ever been, healthy and growing. That US manufacturing is declining is a stupid meme. Google it. Its the jobs we are losing, not the manufacturing. Because its being automated...

(((unemployment)))

Percentage in labor force is the lowest in 40 years.

As long as Hillary isn't in the office.

To me, she literally is the crazy parts of Hitler manifested, and the idiot part who attacked Russia in winter AFTER Napoleon.

if you're on benefits, the USA just drops you from the labor force

Oh no, more faggots couldn't buy iPhones?
Who gives a fuck, fuck this consumerist garbage.

Are you not concerned about the concentration of power and lack of accountability to the public in these international economic institutions?

literally lying out of your teeth
get gassed traitors

Letting in the genetically inferior should be stopped then.
We are not getting anything out of it when the government is giving everything to the newcomers and those already at the top.
It leaves lifelong American citizens with nothing.

>lifelong American citizens

You need to fuck off with this idea and start thinking about fifth, sixth-generation Americans.

CTR = "Kiddie" stuff likers.

Read the Knowledge Bombs.

archive.4plebs.org/pol/search/subject/knowledge bomb/username/anonymous5/#

Manufacturing is for the working class and many rural regions, it's a vital part of any nation. How fucking good are you in a war if you can't even manufacture your own weapons and vehicles? I often just buy Australian anyway which is obviously more expensive, I don't care, tariff my shit up senpai.

Ban cars, we need to make sure the horse and buggy sector remains competitive

>>this post
Wow, this is easily the dumbest thing I've read on here today.

>>anyone, anywhere in this country can get a job right now. there's "help wanted" signs in almost every single store i visit on a weekly basis.

You did see the part where I mentioned "allow them to pay for those goods" yeah? You are aware that having lots of "dumb" people on welfare is bad for a society long-term right? You're endless support of globalization policies that enrich international interests at the cost of the welfare of your own countrymen is both deplorable and stupid.

This. Look at all the people in this country on welfare that have iPhones, escalades, Jordan's, etc. I have no problem lowering my standard of living if it's for the good of the country, but Unfortunately only a few other people feel the same way.

>the reason you benefit from these trade deals is because your dollar beats the peso, rial, rubble, yen and other forms of currency to a pulp and manufacturing over there gives us cheaper products.

More of this nonsense.

Cost of production has almost nothing to do with price of products.

Companies price their products based on *DEMAND* of the products. The lower cost of production doesn't get passed onto the consumers. It goes to the pockets of corporate shareholders.

The construction industry has been taken over by Mexicans willing to work for less than minimum wage, yet housing prices are through the roof. If your theory was correct, the low cost of building a house would lead to lower housing prices, yet they haven't.
The reason why housing prices continue to rise is because immigrants keep driving up demand of houses.

If Trump wins and actually cuts down on illegal and legal immigration, the prices of products would either decrease or stay the same even though cost of production goes up because aggregate demand would stay the same.

Companies will make less profits while employees will get higher wages.

Mexico, actually.
If you are going to shitpost at least do it right.

I have family members who work at the factory in San Luis Potosi, you can say that trump has done more for us than the Democrats

>manufacturing is for the genetically inferior
Manufacturing and industry are the basis of innovative economy and civilisation. Pencil pushers and freaks with lots of contacts(also known as managers) aren't going to invent anything other than creative accountancy and even more retarded marketing deals than usual.

my god don't lie and then tell someone to "Google" it, I stated facts American manufacturing was steady for 30+ years and we've lost nearly Half of the Jobs to overseas companies - we can track nearly 7 million jobs we have lost to China - and they have not been replaced by Automation they still exist.

I'm sorry but CTR lies more than it tells the Truth just like Hillary's commercial take segments of statements from Trump, that make him see like he's lying when he's saying a part of a Statement where he "Does not Support the war in Iraq, but lets take 3 words from a 40 word statement and declare it as truth."

You CTR filth make me sick

This sooo much.

Most of the social ills nowadays come from a lack of decent jobs for lower class citizens. Sure, things will in general be more expensive, but if the nigs, heroin addicts, and octomoms are off the street and working at fulfilling jobs, they won't be protesting in the streets and calling to burn down society.

Expel the Mexicans, raise tariffs, and protect American lower class jobs. I'd also say end all support for single mothers and tax parents for having children to curb lower class population growth, but we can leave that for later.

>implying I pay for anything
>implying I don't just write down what I want on my mom's grocery list and get it for free

nice try shill

>hillary supporters are now pro trade and pro global business

I hope you guys aren't former Bernie voters

most of you are too young to know, but the quality of goods being sold has gone down so much its ridiculous. We're paying 1/2 the price for goods with 1/4 of the lifespan they usually had. Not to mention most of it is disposable and meant to be replaced not repaired (so go fuck yourself mr. repairman, jobs are for the chinese).
This is completely unsustainable just like the idea of a genetically superior race that only works in soft services, R&D and won't get raped by the barbarian hordes.

You pay cheap prices , yes. For cheap quality. So you pay $50 for a pair of work boots. Or you buy $150 work boots. The $50 foreign made one lasts 1 year before it breaks. The $150 domestic made one lasts 5 years and can be repaired to last beyond that.

You do the math.

wrong!
The argument for trade was proven to be false... We were told we will reap the benefits of cheaper goods, but consumer prices were only reduced slightly, just enough to kill the local competition, and when Americans couldn't compete, prices rose again... The cost savings aren't necessarily passed on to consumers. The international corporations who import and market the cheaper goods rake in the profits, not the consumer... Just look at the consumer price index, do you see a decline?

If he brings manufacturing jobs back to America and the price of everything goes up, along with wages, doesn't that kind of cancel out the increase in wages?

It was a short term benefit, now there is a giant bubble created by a nonexistent job market and gradual loss of wealth to the other countries. Sort of like removing the gold standard.

ITT: user briefly turns off gay porn to convince other anons he understands economics despite no education whatsoever

Would you rather have no job or at least work at mcdonalds? There is a surplus of workers and not enough jobs. Unemployment only appears so low because after 2 weeks your no longer counted as "unemployed" even if you want a job. Yes I know that's a small minority but that's still fucked up that some people want a job but aren't even shown in the official numbers. Thanks Obama!

We don't need cheaper consumer goods; we need rising wages and better paying jobs.

Won't that indirectly inflate the price of everything though, with higher wages? It's the same concept of raising the minimum wage too quickly. It increases inflation, devaluing the value of the dollar.

anyone who runs an "American" company knows that the system is set up to "Cheat Us" and distribute our wealth world wide.

America makes "Tons" of money having goods made cheaper overseas, but to make money selling overseas we have to have "European Resellers" in place to ship straight from our Manufacturing to those Resellers, meaning we can no longer protect our IP in manufacturing anymore.

This means most companies can't assemble in America and sell in Europe, because the cost to export out of America is incredibly high, so we have to have it Manufactured and Assembled in China, which means China will take our Product, our Molds, our CADs, and make their version of our product, and sell it for 1/4 of the price we sell it for.

Either way I love Trump, but there's no way to Save the American Manufacturing industry and bring jobs back, but with Trump we maybe able to "Preserve it" and eventually get small growth overtime.

>despite no education whatsoever

And Trump voters no anything about anything? Ask them about the estate tax that trump wants to repeal. See what answer you get.

>and the price of everything goes up

The price will only go up at first with desperate companies trying to maintain their profit margins, but it wil lfail and decline until prices are lower than what they were.

You can't increase the price of products if the demand isn't there.
It's like a toy store owner raising the price of an action figure from $5 to $5000 because he wants to make more money. No one is going to buy it.

Fuck off. Look up the Lynch clan. Arrived in the 1630s and were involved in the revolutionary war as well as settling everything west of the Mississippi. Does your family still own land you got in the Indian wars? Because i have the original deeds.

I'm willing to pay more for the sake of the nation.

No, it's simple math. If you pay your workers more, this makes it more expensive to produce products or services. Every single company will use this as an excuse to charge more and increase profit margins even more.

honestly i would rather pay more for goods made in America if it gave people here jobs and hope.

the only way to make that happen is to make foreign made good more expensive to produce overseas and ship back.

the part about an American company making things outside the us and shipping it back for assembly is the bulshit that needs to be stopped.

tax and tarrif companies like ford into the dirt for doing business practices like what they do in mexico.

yeah, you might make some people unhappy, but fuck em.

lets prioritize our citizens happiness and well being first.

Real wage increases doesn't inflate prices. It's not the same thing as minimum wage hikes at all.

The price of Goods is still High.. look at Cameras, Lenses, Computers, and other items that existed before NAFTA.

The only difference is that the Profit margin is greater for these American companies, and this has single handed destroyed our Middle Class, this is why there's a more prevalent gap between the Wealthy and Poor in America now.

Don't believe me, look at the price for good Headphones in 1998, and now look at the price for Quality headphones, they are on average more expensive now (even with inflation)

Idiot
Once the volume of goods made in this country starts going up, the unit cost of American made products will start going down

I don't know a lot about economics, I'll admit. So I can't confidently say what Trump's policies would or would not result in. But I'm probably like most Americans in that regard. So I approach it like this: I see the same people who are saying Trump's economic policies will be a disaster, also saying that his social and foreign policies will be disasters, and I know that's bullshit. These same people tie throw themselves in with open borders advocacy, and gun control, and saber rattling with Russia, and all the horseshit the globalists are into, so how then can I trust their economic judgment?

I can't, and I won't. I'd rather roll the dice. Let's experiment, to see if the globalists are correct or not. I want to see results, not speculation from a group of people who are flat out wrong more often than not.

Has never into ECON 101 I see.

>no

headphone in 1993*** Sorry on my $700 phone that cost $50 to manufacturer, and package.

The people making these claims wouldn't be the same people who predicted a total and permanent destruction of the UK stock markets if Britain voted to leave the EU? That would be super embarassing.

If all jobs were manufacturing jobs, yes. Since that's not through case, no.

Yeah, I understand your argument. I get that part. What I am saying is, I simply do not believe you. Your type is wrong most of the time, so maybe you're wrong about this too. I want to see the proof in real time. It's time for this experiment to move forward.

yeah but at least the money will start going back into OUR economy and not the Chinese one.

You can not increase prices if the demand isn't there.

The increase in wages will come out of the company's profit margins.
They will still be profitable, but they'll be making a lot less profit than they are today.

Econ is bullshit.
All of it is just Economists (Sponsored by giant Capitalists) making bullshit axioms and creating models off these axioms to reach a wanted conclusion that increasing GDP without regard for quality of life is the most preferable thing to do.

Manufacturing becomes automated while the human population continues to grow. This is a pretty scary idea I never gave much thought to.

that's a pretty good argument you have there

problem is that carriages and cars both fall under the transport sector and banning cars would mean giving a disadvantage to cars as a mode of transport

don't get into arguments about things you don't understand, boy

> anecdotal evidence

Haha fuuuuuck dude, could you have any less of an argument?

You can see the numbers at work - NAFTA went into effect in 1994

With the inflation steadily growing, etc. we were supposed to be headed for a Downshift on the America Debt Graph around 1998, but we dont' see that, we see Liberal's promoting Global trade, and pushing towards a "Global Economy" this in-turn is going to create Massive Debt for America..

The reason is Liberals at the highest level want a "Global Currency Reset" that will push for a "One world currency" (More than Likely digital) and they are just grooming us to be okay with it.

Say goodbye to America being a Superpower and the "Standard" for the world, and get used to America being a little brother to China.

OP is a fucking shill.

If out-sourcing is meant to make products cheaper, then why have prices on almost every good remained stagnant, or even raised, since the 70s?

The reason businesses outsource isnt because of muh slave wages. Liberals love to point out how CEOs make enough to pay each of their employee $15/hr while failing to realize that trying to bring in any of those profits into the US gets them taxed by over 50%

I don't believe your numbers. They're all produced by a government captured and controlled by incompetent buffoons and traitors, and massaged by politically driven think tanks. Your graph might as well be a dank Pepe like pic related.

Your numbers are just your word. They require trust to believe, and I do not trust people like you. You're wrong too often. I think you may be wrong this time too, but I don't know, so I want to experience the country under an economic direction you disagree with to find out first hand.

btw the National Debt graph I picked stops early - we are now double the debt where it ended - at around 20 Trillion in Debt... so are you still convinced the Liberals are doing what is best for America?

Find me one Liberal politician that doesn't strongly support "Global Trade" and "Free Trade"

Trump wants "Fair Trade" and anyone with half a brain or who owns a company in America wants "Fair Trade"

Americans were the most prosperous when we made our own goods. Sure things were more expensive but they were also higher quality, more people had good paying jobs and the costs of things that can't be offshored(healthcare, education, housing) were incredibly cheap compared to today.

>manufacturing is for the genetically inferior. period dot.

If you haven't noticed, we've been importing the genetically inferior en masse since the 1800's(Africans, Irish, Southern Italians, Polacks, then Mexicans). I'd rather have them gainfully employed doing low skilled labor than sitting idle in their housing projects with no prospects, no stake in society and just being a drain on taxpayers.

Unless you intend to go full Adolf and remove all the undesirables then there's no reason to make Chang and Xiaoping make your Jordans when Jamal, Cletus, and Enrique are perfectly capable and need something to do.

Those shoes cost $3.79 to make and they charge $200 for them. Nike can afford to cut into their margins(as long as their competitors are forced to do the same).

I think you're confused?

I'm for Trump and "Fair Trade" and I'm against Liberals who have destroyed the American economy with "Free Trade" .... Obama spewing off how Great America is, but we are not. Other countries are out performing us, and we handed most of our Economy over to China with NAFTA and Clintons proposals, We can see how we went from a Manageable National Debt to 20 Trillion in Debt since Clinton's NAFTA.

what a posh statement. are you really telling me that if I look up any city in america, I couldn't find a job there right now? name one city.

I am willing to pay more. Nothing worse than a cuck who sells out his country just so he can get slightly less expensive toilet paper

>If out-sourcing is meant to make products cheaper, then why have prices on almost every good remained stagnant, or even raised, since the 70s?

It seems that way because you're dumb enough to buy from suppliers who know you'll pay that price. If you want an example of this, find a low-mid range piece of unbranded electronics or accessory and compare the price from a domestic seller to one direct from China.

That's the establishment stupid, including establishment Republicans, AND Hillary...
You haven't been paying attention. Trump is a whole other ball game... That's why the establishment wants him gone. He is threatening to undermine their power...

Yeah, that's why I'm voting Hillary. She is really gonna make those dirty capitalists "Pay Their Fair Share™". That's why they are donating hundreds of millions to her campaign, to make sure she raises their taxes. There's no way she will raise taxes but somehow leave loopholes for all her wealthy donors right?

Atleast Trump will make sure youre not giving money to your enemies anymoe

So bringing back a few million jobs to a nation of over 300 million is going to fix all of your woes? You are delusional. By the time any new plants were built trump would be out of office anyway.

Automation has killed most jobs in manufacturing. I've seen it here, I literally build new manufacturing lines and upgrade old ones. I have killed a shit load of jobs.

>a few million new jobs
>not significant even in a nation of 320 million
wew lad

>the bargaining phase
this transformation is so delicious to behold. remember when liberals were laughing at the God Emperor?

But Japan is ethnically homogenous and not filled with subhumans who need something to do. 90% of Japanese people are well suited to white collar work. Also their society is shit and 90% of them contemplate suicide daily.

>manufacturing is for the genetically inferior

Is that why gooks have higher IQs?

>>because the goods are now manufactured in the US of A, they're actually cheaper

It's not free trade without free movement of labor. When Jebediah's factory job in Kentucky moves to El Paso, Mexico wont let him move to keep his job. Thats not capitalism or free trade.

if we can bring back 7 million jobs, and create a "Fair Trade Market" we will see a decrease in the national debt as we see unemployment hit all-time lows (Not like the Clintons who brag about that they bring the "Lowest Numbers" in the last decade, because after they got out of office and their NAFTA took full effect, we went into a Shit Hole)

Sorry, but America has proved that when we had Fair Trade, we were a Giant, we led the way in manufacturing, and we led the way in products, if you wanted good products you had to buy them from America.

I'm not saying it's going to fix itself overnight, but if we start to change now, we can Make America Great Again for our kids.

If we continue down this path, it's going to be a very scary future for our Kids, we are headed to being a Third World country, we are over spending, and under producing more and more as each year passes.

I only hope we can see Clinton for who she is, and see how her husband destroyed Americas Manufacturing Market, he and Obama have gotten us 20 Trillion in Debt (15 Trillion more than we should be or 300% more) and Clinton is also 100% to blame for the last Economic Crisis, the Housing Market bubble, and a lot of other issues in America.

There are small companies that make quality stuff in America. What Trump's plan means is that more companies will move back to the US unless they want to pay tarrifs. At first it'll be more expensive, but then they'll learn to save and work with it.

Even if it did get more expensive, maybe that's the price you pay for not killing your country?

>le "Unemployment" maymay

Find manufacturing work in Odessa, Texas

u can fuk off burger

Japanese people work harder longer and better than any american burger

also we don't eat burger

>Odessa, Texas
SAVE THE CHEERLEADER

It's really not.
You'd be pushing it to maybe and i mean MAYBE bring 1.5-2 million jobs back over a period of maybe 8 years. By that time a new president will be in office and new policies in place and any plans to build new plant will be thrown out the windows. Bring manufacturing back is an absolute meme, its not a very strong point of trumps but it appeals to morons.
Immigration however is one of his best.

You do realize that

Splitting up your post

in sentences that have a paragraph space

like this

is just
plain
retarded
right?
OP BTFO

Fuck off kike. When the worlds money bubble pops the wealthy countries will be those who have capital investments in place not those who have a strong (pre pop) service economy.

>the goods you pay for would skyrocket
Not really
His plan is to have the US be like it was in the 50's and make everything it has itself
We literally used to be the China of the world(except our shit didn't break) until our politicians realized that didn't help their cause for turning us all into slaves

YEAH and maybe if we lived in the days when we paid greasers to oil machinery all day you might be right.
Pick up some of the new manufacturing magazines and educate yourself, youre living in a dream world.

Only a few million jobs were lost during the recession.

>MAYBE bring 1.5-2 million jobs back over a period of maybe 8 years
In addition the the jobs we normally gain? That would be great for the economy. That's would be an additional 15,625 jobs added each month.

Eat shit CTR

Autarky is essential for long term prosperity

I'd rather pay an extra 50 cents for a loaf of bread and have jobs pouring into the country.

More jobs=less crime, more infrastructure improvement, and an overall better country

>>because the goods are now manufactured in the US of A, they're actually cheaper
Is there idiots who actually believe that ?

Lol I own a Video Equipment Product company, we used to employ and pay 30 people to Assemble our Products, that we had Manufactured here.

Our products are still Manufactured and Assembled, just now thats all done in Japan.

We do on avg 40 - 50million a year, and if there was "Fair Trade" we could still afford to keep our products "Made in America"

Because of NAFTA we had to move to China to compete, and in doing so we also gave China all of our Products.. Don't believe me look at Schwinn they are in the same boat.

But yeah Im a Moron who doesn't know what he's talking about.

You're sacrificing alot for those jobs. Personally I'm out of my depth when it comes to global economics and even how it would effect Americans in terms of tariffs etc but I feel like you're putting a huge financial burden on the many to make a small number of jobs for the few.

Huge financial burden? The costs of goods would go up, but probably only by a modest amount in most cases. Instead of that money being sent overseas, it stays in our local economy and the additional employment would increase consumer spending here. It'd be great.

Why don't we talk about Samantha Powers and her part in "human rights" started wars since Kosovo?

>muh manufacturing
>look at all muh jobs i can do
>look at all the money i now have
>look at all the money thats not being used on bullshit due to less joblessness
>look at the lowered taxes
>wow i can afford shit

kill yourself. trump is going to make america great, and i hope to be there when he does you fucking google.

Spoken like a person who understands how the Global market works.

The Liberals depend on Americans not educating themselves, because when the numbers are right in front of them, they still want to push that NAFTA was good.

Does it feel good to know we are saving $10 on that Desk Fan, to know that 7 million Americans were forced out of work? This is what I tell liberals, and they always say - "Well they should have gotten a better Education"

They say this until their company downsizes, or makes them train their replacement. Then they bitch and cry for more government assistance.

Europe taxes everything up the ass.

America has the advantage. America grows so much food, food will probably stay cheap.

Unnecessary shit may be temporarily more expensive but the US can starve most of the world into submission.

America can jack up the price of food abroad, cause unrest. It can fuck with tankers, shipping with the Navy.

If the US wanted, it can bully anyone.

...

u wot m8. I agree with you.

>Implying more expensive goods is a bad thing.
>Implying destroying our mindless consumer culture that love Chinese garbage is a bad thing.
>Implying growing the Labour Force and eraticating unemployment is a bad thing.
kys.

You say it's done in Japan but then said it's done in China? Which is it?

At the end of the day all you're telling me is that your product was not worth the higher price you'd have to ask of your customers even if you offered higher quality 'made in america'. Maybe you could have looked into a consultant who could have increased your production efficiency etc. Id have to know more about your product to see how it's made.

>bring back manufacturing
>automated factories all over USA
>1 million people in charge of robots
>another million in charge of designing robots
>etc

Jobs are jobs faggot, next war we are fucked because we have zero manufacture going on here.

>the cost of the goods you pay for would skyrocket, right?

No they wouldn't. The consumer does not benefit from the lower production costs of Chinese made good. Instead, the reseller benefits from increased profit margin.

Don't believe me? Compare the cost of goods of similar quantity made in the USA vs made in China. You can except a price difference of about 10% at best.

Not only that, but the policies would create production jobs here, which are true wealth creation because for every factory job you have, dozens of services and supporting jobs are created as well.

The population only wins when its government has protectionist policies. The only losers are globalist multinationals. And fuck them.

Buy local.

>Like for every 5 jobs that gets automated, we are losing 1 job to offshoring.

Automation creates jobs you cuck. Anyone can take a 2 year class in Electromechanics and work in machine maintenance. There's an endless demand for it. And the more automation, the more demand.

Automation is eliminating manufacturing jobs anyway, thats never coming back.

The money is still sent overseas. Multinationals will still headquarters in tax havens even if manufacturing is local.

>you realize if trump were elected and began implementing these trade policies, the cost of the goods you pay for would skyrocket, right?

Fractionally rise while at the same time massively raising the money people have due to the return of manufacturing jobs.

It's like raising the wage from 18 to 15% doesn't double the cost of goods because labor is only one part of the delivered goods/service cost.

Part of Trump's plan is to cut corporate taxes so companies will come back here. And that's just common sense really, our corporate tax rate is absurd (35%).

>Multinationals will still headquarters in tax havens even if manufacturing is local.

That's why you implement and actually enforce antitrust laws preventing the multinationals from buying up every medium business starting to get big.

Considering most of those barristas and fry cooks have cell phones and computers, yeah.

>our corporate tax rate is absurd (35%).

It really is. Consider that Canadas is more or less 15%. Quebec, right next to the New England states has a 10% corporate tax rate and a lot of cuts and we're STILL seeing multinationals shifting their headquarters over seas. With a fucking 10% corporate tax rate.

There's no way the USA's 35% makes any fucking sense currently.

>from 18 to 15% doesn't
From $8 to $15.

Is that all you faggy millennials think about?

Vote Trump if you don't want the demographics to shift to a point where the United States is lost.

Fuck cares if I can afford certain things. The very existence of the country is at stake.

I hear Ireland is quite popular.

What do you guys think Trump is whispering to Jeb there?

Remember a few decades ago when we still had a large base of domestic manufacturing; virtually every man had a well-paying job, owned a home, had children, a wife that didn't need to work, and all of this pretty much straight out of high school? Where does this meme that 'Made in America' is somehow bad for the economy come from when it has worked just fine? Seriously, fuck you, traitors. I can't believe you fucks are so content with indebted 25 year olds that can't find work or move out of their parents, which leads me to believe you're a shill.

who got

>There's no way the USA's 35% makes any fucking sense currently.
It makes lots of sense if you end the tax laws that allow them to falsely claim their income comes outside of the nation we all know they learned it in.

Apple didn't make 50% of it's income in Ireland, the executives and accountants that created that fiction so go to jail for that shit, even if it is technically legal now. We need to pass a new spirit of the law, law to act as catch all to end corporate corruption.

>The very existence of the country is at stake
You have to realize you're buying into the fear mongering propaganda....right?

I mean you can't be that deluded as to ACTUALLY think the entire future of this country rests on THIS election and THIS election only.

Do you even remember 2008? The country was going to end if that nigger got elected, we'd have christian death camps and legal weed by the end of the first year. What do you know, 8 years later and we are fine. Hell if you look at the job picture we're doing pretty damn good considering where we started in 2008.

HILLARY'S PARKINSON'S TREMORS CAUGHT ON CAMERA

>youtube.com/watch?v=925ihXI1lkE

>youtube.com/watch?v=925ihXI1lkE

>youtube.com/watch?v=925ihXI1lkE

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>I mean you can't be that deluded as to ACTUALLY think the entire future of this country rests on THIS election and THIS election only.

It does rest on this election. The demographic shift that will occur when Hillary imports thousands of refugees and grants amnesty to millions of Mexicans will ensure that the democrats become the only electable party for the foreseeable future. It's really the end for any hope of democratically elected conservative movements. Kiss Neocucks goodbye, kiss Trump goodbye, kiss libertarianism goodbye, kiss the Pauls goodbye, and enjoy the slow decline that is the welfare state.

If Clinton is elected, the globalist direction the US has been moving probably couldn't be reversed. You'll have 2-4 more liberal supreme court justices. TPP will be passed. More muslim immigrants will come here which will lead to more terrorist attacks. We'll probably have defacto open borders with Mexico and so on. 8 years of Obama has been awful for the country, but I still think it is reversible. 4 years of Clinton will probably be too late.

You spelled "Clinton" wrong

Ok let's be clear because you seems to have no idea what you actually get from globalism.

Bread is mostly NOT a globalised product (except for few components and packaging) so the price wouldn't change much but that's an exception.

Let's take a random item. Socks.

To produce socks you don't need a huge research and designing team. But you need:
> Wool
> Synthetic fabrics
> Colorants
> Plants with machines
> Manpower
> Packaging

So you will say "Hey, I can get everything of there in my good US of A and give a job to some hard working true americans and make everyone happy !". Except not.

Because you see, those hard working americans have a problem: they live in America. And everything is pretty expensive in America, things like food, rents, etc... so they need their employers to give them a certain amount of money every month or they just can't live decently. They also have higher standards and won't accept to work so many hours, you will have to follow many regulations and make sure your workers are safe by spending a lot of money.

In China, you don't have to do that. Work is cheap and work regulations are mostly a joke.

Then you will say "Hey ! Maybe they cost more but you have to bring the socks from CHINA and mine are just right here at home ! I'm gonna save money on transports". And wrong.

Trump lost. Pretty much everyone with an IQ over 90 sees that his policies are shit. Poor little Trump

You see, since your suppliers of wool, synthetic fabric, etc... can't possibly work at the same places because they get their stuff from vastly different sources, you are ALREADY paying transport fees. Sure it might be inside the US only (though I vastly doubt it since they are suffering from the same financial pressure than you) but transport costs isn't really about the distance anymore. You live in a world with such huge traffic, the main roads however long are cheaper than the less used roads. Thanks to the giant boats with small engine, it cost less to move something from Shanghai to Los Angeles than moving something from Dallas to Denver.

"Ok, ok" you will say, "sure I will pay more but I'd better help THIS country by paying more rather than destroying it by giving away my money !" but then again, you don't. You underestimate the amount of money you save by producing things globaly. It's not just about slave labor (even if it helps) but also about specialization. Some countries are just better at building some specific stuff because they have the infrastructure, the ressources at hand, the knowledge and trained manpower, etc... and you can't compete. If you want to produce EVERYTHING in America (which isn't even possible because some ressources don't exist in America) you'd better ready to pay for that flat screen two month of salary.

> point out some stupid policies from a candidate
> HEY LOOK THE OTHER CANDIDATE IS SICK !
Do you even realise how stupid this make you look ?

That's funny
Because this thread says none of the top 1% are backing Trump.
But are in fact donating to Hillary Clinton

So which is it, ctr?

Before NAFTA there was plenty of textiles in the US. Yes, the price will go up some, but it's not going to kill consumers.

He's a businessman. He knows what the fuck he is doing, he's been one for YEARS.

>b-b-but what abot his bankruptcies?
His company is still here isn't it? Every fucking company of sorts go through a stage like it, And he's survived all of em'. It just makes him more qualified to enter the economics field.

>Consider the steel industry. The U.S. employed nearly 800,000 steel workers in 1967 to produce 115 tons of steel, noted professor Scott Summer of the Money Illusion blog. By 2015 only 90,000 people worked in the industry and they produced about 79 million tons of steel.

>Even if the U.S. produced the same amount of steel now as it did in the 1960s, that would only involve another 30,000 to 60,000 jobs, Sumner calculates.

>“The vast majority of those 780,000 steel jobs were lost to automation, and they aren’t coming back,” he wrote.

Rly makes ya think

Forgot pic

Ok, NAFTA is just a trade deal between you, Mexico and Canada. It only means plants were moved few hundred of kilometers South. Mexicans are absolutly not specialists at producing clothes, they are just cheaper.

Now if we are talking about REAL globalism, you'll maybe understand the picture when I tell you 1 out of 3 socks in ALL THE WORLD is produced in the same chinese town.

>point out some of the corruption from a career politician candidate
>HEY LOOK THE OTHER CANDIDATE IS HITLER AND TWEETS AT 3 IN THE MORNING
Do you ever take your own advice?

I never said any of these. I just pointed out how stupid is your tactic to divert the attention from poor policies by using the other candidate health.

>Mexicans are absolutly not specialists at producing clothes
u wot m8

So Trumps business ideas are worse than destabilizing the Middle East according to you?

Same argument during Brexit

>You'll have to pay more for things!
>You may earn less!

Whatever. Some things are more important than money.

So because certain portions of the economy are easy enough to be automated we should be shipping jobs out to another country and replacing our workers with foreigners? Not everything is automated; nor will everything be automated for quite a long time. And, consider this, when things are automated, who will be the ones writing the code, as well as building and maintaining the systems that assemble the products in these factories? It definitely won't be Americans if the manufacturing centers are abroad or we keep handing out visas to foreigners willing to do the work for piss poor wages.

Remember 2015, the year the Us set another sll tike high for its manufacturing sector
You fags all falling for they-took/our-jobs meme. Automation took the jobs, US manufacturing is alive and well and growing

Again. Moving some US plants to Mexico doesn't make mexicans world specialists.

At this point, Mexico is just another state with just shittier working laws so companies can abuse it. But Mexicans are not competitive at a world level, it's just a step of globalism and soon you'll see mexicans on strike complaining about asian countries (or maybe african or latino countries if they ever get stabble) TAKIN UR JUBS !

*all time high

at some point the wealthy that are cleaning up in the stock market will just have to accept only making $3 billion a quarter instead of $5 billion a quarter

the greed of corporations is criminal

You can't stop people and corporations from leaving unless you also want to prevent them doing business in your country, or are ready to levy heavy tariffs against them. Option one pisses off the population because they lose access to a product they want, option two pisses off the population because one of the product they want costs a lot more.

All of this starts at the individual's level. Instead of getting government involved, if a company you supported decides to shift production abroad, stop supporting them and buy from a local alternative. Nothing sends a clearer, louder message than BUYING LOCAL.

BUY LOCAL YOU KEKS. STOP HOPING THE GOVERNMENT WILL FIX THE PROBLEMS YOU CREATE.

Wtf I hate tariffs now

You should. I bet you hate all other taxes.

Sure Mexico hasn't screwed us over as bad as China, but it's still bad for our economy.

>what is automation
We could be even higher if it wasn't for globalist policies.

Never been in a manufacturing plant that wasn't 80% automated to be honest. Maintenance teams are incredibly small because even routine maintenance is automated and everything is data logged to prevent early failure of parts etc. Last brick plant I built had 3 Germans code the plc and we bulldozed the secondary plant to kill 100 jobs because the new plant could do as much as 2 combined.

I'm just trying to point out that it will never be what it was like. Felt good to watch all the useless old cunts cry because that's the only thing they knew

Why are all troll posts formatted the same? Serious question

So when are trumplets going to beg their dear leader to deport the automation infrastructure?

We aren't doing good enough. We still have massive trade deficits and a vast number of young people that should be working are still living with their parents making minimum wage. By the way, America really isn't producing shit. What do we export? Computers, toys, vehicles, and clothing are all still being produced abroad. Our oil is being drilled in some Shariah shithole. Where is this growth? I don't see it.

See japabese expnomy for the effects of protectionism. No growth in 20 years and they still lost their manufacturing jobs.
See...

I don't give a fuck because those tariffs would fix these shitty roads

>I'm just trying to point out that it will never be what it was like.

Never once was this the implication; the point is that the it could be better, and the reliance on foreign goods when this country is as huge and rich in resources as it is makes absolute no fucking sense. We have oil, we have coal, we have the manpower to be an economic superpower that outmatches China, so there's no reason why we should continue allowing foreign interests to lobby our elections and take what little remaining jobs we have left and give them to Chang and Patel.

Principles in the long term are worth more than a few dollars in the short term.

The US should have tariffs on foreign imports. Most countries have tariffs on our exports.

It's only fair that we should be able to do the same thing to them that they currently do to us.

But you just dont seem to understand those high paying manufacturing jobs are a thing of the past, a 20th century phenomenon. we arent getting them back. See

Trade policy has to be voted on by Congress.

I'm talking about production not employment. If we get more manufacturing plants in the US, we can boost our production even more while providing jobs for technicians and the like.

Automation, by far, takes more jobs than it creates.

How stupid are you, really?

Underrated Post.

Hillary will murder millions of Americans. The election will be rigged and made to appear legitimate through the use of push polls. The only focus she has to concern herself with is to create the appearance of legitimacy.
When the FEMA emergencies begin know that millions of Americans will be killed.

>Remember a few decades ago when we still had a large base of domestic manufacturing; virtually every man had a well-paying job, owned a home, had children, a wife that didn't need to work, and all of this pretty much straight out of high school?
You implied it here.

But then you are cucking the american people, imposing tarriffs to protect industry, making prices go up, with no benefit for the average Joe

>mexican intellectual
What do you think will create more american jobs? Mostly atomated plants in China or mostly automated plants in the US?

A 100% tariff on Asian manufactured electronic components would create jobs

>We have a fuckton of genetically inferior people here that we can't afford

when do we start deporting all white subhumans?

Again, retard. We still aren't exporting shit when compared to our competitors. Automation in its current form still needs to be maintained by humans, and when these primitive factories are being powered by coal and humans in some smog-ridden corner of Shanghai that reeks of piss and vomit; there is no opportunity for American workers to oversee the automation.

Yeah, people still dont understand the concept of trade and the pie getting larger even in the current year. I dont knoe why this is.

See, I don't care if the cost of goods skyrockets. This country's political system is so hopelessly deadlocked because it has become an oligarchy.

Electing Trump to the presidency has to ability to shock the government and parties in responding to a crisis and, if they fail to do so, the entire party system and government will melt down.

From time to time, the tree of liberty must be refreshed with the blood of tyrants and patriots.

Except that local industry will be protected and he won't be exchanged for cheap labor in Asia.

I'd rather be working than not.

>will create more american jobs
This is a bogus statement, none of the options you've given will significantly affect job growth.

>hurr but 20,000 jobs are better than none in a time where several millions are unemployed

burgerturd intellectuals

>20,000

Pull that number out of your ass, beaner?

>none of the options you've given will significantly affect job growth
[citation needed]

People are still needed in factories. Just less than there used to be. That's why production can still go up.

This is why the age pyramid is one of the worst lies there is.

>not willing to accept temporary suffering to correct long term problems

This is why modern voters are fucking cancer.

>Trump gets elected
>All his efforts are thwarted by Congress
>Congress continues to stall all proposed policies for entire term
>Nothing happens
HAHA, RACISTS, TOLD YOU TRUMP IS INCOMPETENT!!!

>Clinton gets elected
>Pushes through ultra-progressive policies
>Pro-gay, Pro-black, Pro-Muslim, Pro-Tranny legislation
>Open borders
>Wage regulation that benefits women for le wage gape
>White population continues to drop as baby boomers die
HAHA, RACISTS, ALL WHITE PEOPLE ARE DEAD NOW, WHAT DO YOU THINK ABOUT THAT YOU PATHETIC NEO-NAZI???

t. A FUCKING WHITE MALE

>Pull that number out of your ass, beaner?
Well, why don't you give me the rundown of those numbers, since you are the one who made the positive claim that giving maintenance to the machines would solve the job shortage?

>People are still needed in factories. Just less than there used to be. That's why production can still go up.
So you're basically acknowledging what I've said, automation takes more jobs than it creates. Production going up isn't giving people any jobs.

You mean, cheap chinese goods get mroe expensive
and local, American made items get cheaper?
GOSH THAT WOULD SUCK FOR LOCAL ECONOMIES PUMPING MONEY BACK INTO THEMSELVES

Why the fuck are you so dumb? In spite of the factors working against it, production went up due to new/better technology. That's part of econ 101. However, if you bring back manufacturing to the US, production would skyrocket to ridiculous levels and you would see more people employed because nobody has invented a 100% robot factory.

christie, kasich, fiorina, yeb, cruz, rand, and those other 2 idiots on the left side all look like the jud who got bullied in elementary school

trump needs to appeal to the rust belt idiots.

Of course he won't start a trade war. But americans are what they are, he cant change that.

Lol

But you miss that there are many negative effects to protectionist policies. Not just low prices. Our exports will be fucked because trade wars will happen. And people will lose jobs because of that. A lot of jobs.

see
Ignore the 20,000 number which I pulled out of my ass to make an example, and replace it with whatever wishful thinking delusion number you've got.

Jobs required to push automation forward will never reach a tipping point in which you can fend off increasing unemployment rates.

as per this example

your "muh manufacturing will gah up!! only up!!" is meaningless, the only people who will benefit are the kikes who own the automation infrastructure, and a few people who are necessary (for the time being)

*Not just higher prices

We obviously just need a civil war to cull half the population

>Jobs required to push automation forward will never reach a tipping point in which you can fend off increasing unemployment rates.
[citation needed]

What? Countries are going to say "no thanks we don't feel like eating today."

just because they mainly export their clothes to the US doesn't make producing clothes their specialty, does it?

>[citation needed]
Since you are making the positive claim [that automation related jobs will be enough to keep low unemployment rates], the burden of proof lies on you.

Also, it's a proven fact that automation takes more jobs than it creates.

As soon as we leave free trade zones and impose tarriffs, other countries will follow suit. This is not debated. This will undoubtedly happen

>automation related jobs will be enough to keep low unemployment rates
Where did I say this?

>it's a proven fact that automation takes more jobs than it creates
Are you still to stupid to understand my argument? Will have more jobs with factories in China or in the US? Use that mexican education.

>you realize if trump were elected and began implementing these trade policies, the cost of the goods you pay for would skyrocket, right?
More technical, domestic jobs. Higher pay. Higher quality. Better economy. Less government. All win.

>This will undoubtedly happen
Says who? Who said anything about putting tariffs on British goods?

>Where did I say this?
see You are implying it, or explicitly saying it in all of these posts.

If your argument was intended to be "automation will create *some* jobs" then you are agreeing with me.

>Will have more jobs with factories in China or in the US?
The jobs that would be created for Americans, or the Chinese in either options would pale in comparison to the jobs that automation would take from citizens of each country, basically replicating this again.

Are you stupid, or just pretending?

It would also mean our goods are higher quality and would therefore last much longer than some Chinese piece of shit. I would rather pay a little more for an item to never have to buy another for decades.

>all these free trade advocates desperately defending one of the largest and most catastrophic wealth transfers in history
>predicting blood in the streets if the next president defends the American worker

You cucks had over 20 years to make your case for free trade, but you didn't give it a serious effort because business interests had bought off the leadership of both parties and there was a bipartisan consensus. You're fucked now. 85% of Republicans say that free trade has cost more jobs than it has created and Trump is getting in to office with both the house and Senate under Republican control.

Nowhere did I say it would keep low unemployment rates. I merely said more people would be employed.

>If your argument was intended to be "automation will create *some* jobs" then you are agreeing with me.
Nope. You're making up bullshit about "it will create some jobs but barely any." I have no idea what the numbers would be, but you're just pulling them out of your ass.

>The jobs that would be created for Americans, or the Chinese in either options would pale in comparison to the jobs that automation would take from citizens of each country
And there's this shit again. Okay, let's say automation takes away a shitload of jobs. However the question is simply would your rather have the leftover jobs in America or in China? The answer should be obvious I think. If you want to say that this will have no significant effect on the economy, I'm going to need a citation.

Lol, you should read the news

Truth

>Would you rather be a manager or a deadbeat grill cook
Id rather be a union worker in the manufacturing sector than a deadbeat grill cook you fucking moron. Thats why we want manufacturing back.

Wonderful argument. I am now a #globalistshill.

>m-muh trade wars!

OP BTFO. Nice one, leaf.

>you realize if you vote for x, the cost of the goods you pay for would skyrocket, right?

Globalists, please try a new tactic, it's not working.

Macintosh SE/30 1989 $6,569 (4MB RAM, 80MB Hard disk

Acer Aspire Desktop 2016 8GB DDR4 1TB HDD $449.99

>who said anything about EU imposing tarriffs after Brexit?
Everyone
>shitty argument
Wtf are you talking about?

Remember when everything was made here and people could still afford it?

Kill yourself

Make sure to Keep Japan Japanese and not give in to leftist pressure Tojo.

I really don't get this argument.

It's exactly like having two guys, one saying "HEY I'M GOING TO HELP BUT DON'T TRUST ME" and the other saying "HEY TRUST ME I'M GOING TO KILL YOU" and picking the second guy because he's honest.

You have a source for that? I'd love to use that in the future.

Why are you making up quotes you dummy? I was talking about the US hypothetically putting tariffs on British goods retard (aka something that nobody ever talked about).

>Nowhere did I say it would keep low unemployment rates. I merely said more people would be employed.
You've questioned whether automation jobs would significantly effect job growth . The evidence says you're wrong.

Arguing "well, it would create *SOME* jobs" while believing that it could reach a tipping point in which you can fend off increasing unemployment rates is as retarded as you can get, considering the evidence above.

>Nope. You're making up bullshit about "it will create some jobs but barely any." I have no idea what the numbers would be, but you're just pulling them out of your ass.
I did pull them out of my ass just to make an example, the reality of the situation is that you can't even make a case for your argument, whereas, I'm certain that the unemployment rates will keep rising due to automation, just like they are doing right now, because:

1. automation takes more jobs than it creates
2. employment has been steadily declining while manufacturing output grows

it's as simple as it gets.

in simple terms you're arguing "b-but automation would create *some* undetermined amount of jobs "

>Felt good to watch all the useless old cunts cry because that's the only thing they knew
>enjoying the destruction of people's lives

You are a worthless piece of human garbage.

Sorry i didnt understand how confused you are. Brexit was about UK leaving the EU free trade zone. Get it. Britain-exit=brexit

>if trump were elected and began implementing these trade policies, the cost of the goods you pay for would skyrocket
There is no price too great for the wall.

Holy fuck you idiotic retard. Why do you not understand that US trade policy has resulted in millions of jobs being sent overseas to foreign countries? Yes automation has resulted in jobs being lost, but it's far from the only thing. Get an education.

This thread is about the US and Trump idiot. Whatever Britain is/will do is irrelevant.

I want a wall. With a moat. And alligators.

Oh no, god save me, I wouldn't be able to buy worthless chinese crap for $3

Any product worth purchasing already goes through trade tariffs, and China would rapidly change their tune if we implemented them because we're holding up their entire economy.
We hold up EVERYBODY'S economy.

I want a canal. The Rio Grande Canal.

trump's tariffs - small recession (bubble explodes) then growth everywhere

hillary's ponzi - money printing, wealth inequality, fake growth, postponed depression, deficit of gold, then depression and ww3, population replacement (people will make less children) by blacks and asians

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_Depression

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Causes_of_the_Great_Recession

Major causes:
International trade imbalances and lax lending standards contributing to high levels of developed country household debt and real-estate bubbles that have since burs

Trump simply told truth about trade.

>Because its being automated...
>...
How to spot le happy alien poster 101
P.S. The automation in industry in miniscule. It's fantastically expensive to do and is only useful for one specific item. Shit like your car, your TV, your phone, your computer, all of that shit is semi-automated but created general-purpose automation for all the different variations is effectively impossible right now. There's still a ton of human interaction required to make sure all that shit is actually working and placed properly.

This is enormously true of the automotive industry. Those giant "welding bots" you see? Those are useful for putting the frame together and that's about it.
Everything else. EVERYTHING ELSE has to be done by people.

You realize if China obtains a total monopoly on manufacturing, the same thing would happen right?

>a nation of 300 million '''''seasoned leaders''''''

Compare the cost of a brand new car in 1960 to one today and account for inflation.
It speaks for itself.

See

This is the one thing I don't understand about Trump, he has the same trade policy as Birdie Sanders. These crazy anti-free trade faggots have only lived in the far-left fringes of the Democrat Party and now we have a GOP nominee who is making them mainstream for supposed "conservatives".

Trump supporters know nothing about trade, or just don't seem to care. Have fun lowering your standard of living you fucking retards.

Trump really needs to read Adam Smith's 'Wealth of Nations', as a starter on free market capitalism and trade.

im just tired of all the shills maybe its time for me to leave Cred Forums for the good of the empire #trump2016

Yeah, it doesn't work like that. The "ajusted for inflation" is bullshit.

>adam smith 1.jpg
>picture of Thomas Jefferson
wew lad

That's not accurate because a modern car is way different than a car from 1960. A better comparison would be textiles. I don't know the numbers off the top of my head, but I think it was a modest decrease.

Nice dubs. Good to see we still have some capitalists on this board and in this country

>we make a lot of money taxing their asses

Taxing who?

You realize that a tariff is not a tax on a foreign country or company, right?

Tariffs are a tax on the importer. It's a tax on US consumers you fucking retard. Holy shit. How can you be so fucking dumb? You economically illiterate fucking mongoloid.

I just want to understand your thought process here, where the absolute fuck did you get this stupid fucking idea from?

The republican party has historically been more protectionist. It's the democrats who believed in free trade. The founding fathers passed protective tariffs early in the country's history because they weren't retards and wanted this nation to industrialize.

>a modest decrease
hint: in 1960, you didn't buy new clothes every 3 months.

Are you sure about that? We've had a ton of different fashion trends in the country.

Russian shills really are the most pathetic. No American gives a damn about your mastabatory Putin fantasy.

>has no idea the parties realigned several times

The Republican Party is also the party that introduced the first federal income tax, nationalized banks and is the of Teddy Roosevelt who proposed his progressive platform of welfare programs, guaranteed income for elderly/unemployed/disabled, national health service, minimum wage.

The Democratic Party was the party of limited government and states' rights.

If you don't know that the GOP was the progressive party until after FDR's New Deal Coalition and Goldwater started the conservative movement in the GOP in the 60s, then you are fucking clueless.

You're saying that because most of the 6à's depictions you've seen are about the upper class. Characters in Madmen for exemple are insanely rich compare to the average american of the time. Hell, even Forest Gump family was clearly well off. Cinema focus with nostalgia glasses on emblematic parts of the past and poverty isn't emblematic. Making clothes last several years if not decades isn't emblematic at all... but nonetheless real.

>the right to own slaves
>limited government
wew lad. Democrats also passed gun control and other bullshit, but okay let's rewrite history.

Progressives were in both parties in the early 20th century (see: Woodrow Wilson). Republicans swung back to conservatism in the 20s. But again my whole point was originally about free trade vs protectionism, and it's the republican party that was traditionally the protectionist party not the democrats. Democrats wanted lower tariffs for agricultural exports while Republicans wanted higher ones for industry. JFK was a notable proponent of free trade.

Americans were definitely not poorfags in the 1960s, so I don't know what you're talking about.

>The founding fathers passed protective tariffs early in the country's history because they weren't retards and wanted this nation to industrialize.

It was also the modus operandi for all trade policy, no one had tried "free trade" at that time. Adam Smith's ideas were radically new.

Both parties implemented protectionism up until the new conservative movement in the GOP and Reagan ushered in the era of free trade policy in the US.

>Americans were definitely not poorfags in the 1960s
Your definition of poverty is not the same as it was. America was a rich country. For its time.

We used to consume a lot less, to make things last because we couldn't replace everything constently. Globalism bring consumerism, it wasn't always the case.

It's pretty sure if you had to live with an average american family during the 60s, you would feel poor by your standards.

>Republicans swung back to conservatism in the 20s.

Republicans had never been conservative before the Harding, Coolidge, and Hoover. You realize this right? Republicans had always favored strong central government, higher taxes, and nationalized banks.

It was the Democrats who favored limited government and states' rights up until FDR brought Teddy's progressive platform (guaranteed income for elderly/unemployed/disabled) over to the Democratic Party. FDR didn't run as a Republican merely because he didn't want to live in Teddy's shadow, he literally believed there wasn't enough room for two Roosevelt legacies in the same party.

We became massive consumers in the 50s. Wages were high in the 60s. People definitely could go throw a bunch of clothes if they wanted.

Democrats generally cut tariffs, but it's true that Reagan fell for the free trade meme and fucked up the republican party. Even still, it was hard to get republicans to pass NAFTA (unfortunately Gringrich got it to pass).

JFK was probably the first major move towards free trade.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/General_Agreement_on_Tariffs_and_Trade#Kennedy_Round:_1962.E2.80.9367

>cost of goods would skyrocket
Was going to happen anyway. Whether it's this term or the next.

I'm also not addicted to luxuries. Gas, milk, and bread can triple in price and I'll be alright.

>worthless chinese crap for $3

How about the worthless computer or phone you just used to shitpost on, retard

>Republicans had always favored strong central government, higher taxes, and nationalized banks.
Grant and many other republicans wanted to return the US to the gold standard retard. Learn about reconstruction.

>Democrats who favored limited government
No you idiot. They literally wanted to own slaves.

>We became massive consumers in the 50s
only started
> Wages were high in the 60s
For some...
> People definitely could go throw a bunch of clothes if they wanted
Not at the same level you're used to

Oh god, products might cost more to give Americans jobs oh the humanity, we're doomed

Cred Forums btfo

>yfw that people who complain that about Trump's protectionism raising prices would even accept enslaving little children in China just so they can get their iphones cheaper

>Learn about reconstruction.

Lincoln introduced the first federal income tax, nationalized banking system and expanded federal powers against the cries of "States' Rights!" from the South.

Yes, reconstruction involved the reunification of the Southern states with the North which meant... that the Republicans no longer enjoyed an unopposed majority in the federal government and that they now had to compromise with the Southern Democrats' who just lost the ultimate ideological battle of "states rights vs. federal government".

>No you idiot. They literally wanted to own slaves.

You're trolling right? No one can be this fucking dumb. Yes, they wanted to own slaves which is exactly why they favored limited government and states' rights. You realize that the first states' rights conflict was over slavery? That the South opposed the big evil federal government from imposing on their states' rights.

How can you be this fucking retarded?

I have no issues paying more for a higher quality product that will last longer and ultimately cost me less over time.

We used to produce high-quality jeans that cost $60/pair but lasted forever. Now we produce cheap jeans, charge $50, and they're shit within a year. Just an example, but yeah Japanese people have been known to spend 1000's on older Levi's because of the quality.

Do you remember world war 2 and how america was bombed to shit and rebuild its infrastructure and factories? Oh wait that never happened. It happened in Europe.

So guess who the WORLD depended on to make their shit? The US of A.

This is EXACTLY why the United States SURGED from the 50's until about the 90's.

The Clinton's rode the Internet boom wave and now take credit for this. Becuase of these mother fuckers (and the Bushes) we are now dealing with a shitty manufacturing base, shitty infrastructure, and a war that is bleeding us dry.

I hope all these people and their offspring die of cancer.

You are fucking retarded.

usnews.com/news/articles/2016-05-17/china-is-buying-its-way-into-the-us-economy

We need to get our niggers under control and start deporting all the spics ASAP. Our focus needs to be on making better products so we can flip the tide and start massive exporting of goods as opposed to only importing. Quit trying to make America shit and get on the train faggot. MAGA MOTHERFUCKER

everyone's unemployed, whats the worth of cheap Dorito snacks if me and my whole block need foodstamps because our part-time job only cover rent and Obamacare? I'd rather work full time, have more jobs and a future, and pay a little bit more for consumer goods. I'm sure I'll be able to afford it once I'm fully employed. Also, maybe I don't need ot be able to afford Dorito snacks.

>They literally wanted to own slaves.

topkek

desu thats why they favored states rights and hated the north, they didn't want the gubment stopping them from owning slaves

You know you can still buy textiles made in the USA. Ever shop at American Apparel? I do actually. Just realize that an undershirt costs $25 from there. They are nice quality tho. They never rip before they get pit stains.

This is why free trade is good. I can still buy a tshirt made in the USA if I want under free trade. But I can also buy 20 tshirts made in Burma for the same price. Without taxes and regulations, consumers have a better choice. But in a protectionist system, i could buy 10 only buy 10 shirts for the price it takes to buy one made in the USA. With taxes and regulations, the government distorts the market and the consumer loses

>our Amazing products
lmao

As much as I hate to say it, if it were used to render all of our factories and manufacturing more or less completely automated, we could stand a chance against the chinese if we brought back Reagan union busting.

It would hurt jobs so, so bad though. Bbbbut its already starting to happen, given that the economy is improving, while job market is getting even worse.

Bit of a catch 22 I suppose, have the people suffer while the economy survives, or have people employed while the economy collapses.

I wonder how Trump's gonna tackle this awful problem.

If everyone has more money who gives a shit.

It doesnt matter if a bottle of water is 1 billion dollars if everybody in the country made at least 10 billion an hour.

That's a wild exaggeration to help convey my point because you are an idiot.

>technological improvements lead to less work

that has literally never happened, new tech leads to more work.

>you realize if trump were elected and began implementing these trade policies, the cost of the goods you pay for would skyrocket, right?

Can't buy cheap goods with a nonexistent wage.

what makes you assume you would have more money?

More work in service sector. Sure. Until tech replaces simple labor. Then you literally have robots making you food, sweeping floors, and parsing spreadsheets.

It already exists, it just needs to be cheap enough.

Hes literally retarded believing more taxes/tarriffs means more money in his pocket

>Skyrocket
They will increase, yes. However I don't mind paying a little more if it means my whole communities has job opportunities. Like it fucking matters if I pay less, but then others don't have jobs, so they have to have welfare, that I in turn have to pay higher taxes on.

You see, right?

AI is going to change this.
youtube.com/watch?v=BvgdtF3y0Ss

>Democrats and to a lesser extent Republicans have fucked our economy so hard that it's to hurt to fix it.
>S-so we shouldn't do it, vote for Hillary guys she'll make sure we keep going down this path.

Fuck you.

But but but economists were telling me deflation is the enemy, and we need more inflation to combat deflationary spiral, Explain to me are they lying or what?

>seeking out everything ethical to get cheap shit from China

you realize if trump were elected and began implementing these trade policies

How is that worse than Nigger Jesus printing money for 8 years. Milk from 1.99 to 4.99

*selling out

But economists were telling me deflation is the enemy, and we need more inflation to combat deflationary spiral, Explain to me are they lying or what?

Who says they're lying? Economists are like any other human endeavour. They can mislead themselves and their field into a fallacy just as any other.

nytimes.com/2009/09/06/magazine/06Economic-t.html?_r=0

ITT: CTR idiots doesn't understand the median on what people are willing to spend.

Our wages would go up more than the cost of goods would go up.

If we ever get to a point where automation and AI replace most human labor we will live in a completely different paradigm of economic behavior so it really doesn't matter.

Its like comparing bronze age Palace economy's to modern consumer capatalism

even if you like the guy you cant be stupid enough to buy into romantic shit like this right?

You fucks are no better then all the faggots spouting about "change" 8 years ago. No on in politics (and like it or not Trump is now in politis) really has your best interest at heart.

full function AI that can actually replace a human and be ecinomically viable is decades if not centuries out.

Not to mention you still need humans do sell, maintain, program, build, etc etc. the robots.

none of us will live long enough to actually worry about this future.

>Its like comparing bronze age Palace economy's to modern consumer capatalism

except the Bronze age and modern economies were seperated by centuries of gradual change.

We maybe 2 decades out from labor based economy collapse.

even if it is its better to have the facotry in the states to atleast offer the desk jobs that a monkey could do for american people

im not talking software development here either

and then you have it so american companies can then sell their goods to these new plants, which are in turn made in a factory by blue collar workers

I really see no problem with this outcome even if the old type of line work comes in, because it still brings in jobs regardless and cheaper consumer goods all the while strengthening the USD and relaxing the need to keep the petrodollar afloat

>>because the goods are now manufactured in the US of A, they're actually cheaper
thats where your plan falls apart. Sure we no longer have to ship them but the guy putting it all together is making minimum wage rather than pennies a day. The difference in overall costs is staggering and cant be overstated. Its wonderful from a moral level but its going to impact your wallet hard.

>We maybe 2 decades out from labor based economy collapse.

no we arent quit dreaming.

>ITT: Trumpfags defending the same trade policies as a self-described socialist.

I never thought I'd see the day when Republicans oppose free market capitalism and favor higher taxes/government restrictions so vehemently.

Wew. What a fucking election.

>Not to mention you still need humans do sell, maintain, program, build, etc etc. the robots.

We do. But you could quintuple the workforce managing automation/engineering/programming and it still wouldn't put in a dent into the labor glut coming.

you are assuming we are a lot closer to a full automation or "singularity" than we are.

but our economy is on the upswing and has been for years. You would have a point if we never came out of the recession but we did a while ago. I understand that people feel like shit is bad but thats just not reality.

There was never a time of sunshine and rainbows that can be returned to.

>no we arent quit dreaming.

Ok. Now you're dreaming. I can't help the delusional.

>manufacturing is for the genetically inferior. period dot.

because the U.S. totally outsourced its manufacturing during WWII and that's not clearly what made us a superpower to begin with right? fucking full retard OP

because a vote for trump is a vote for the feeling of insecurity. Morals and values have all fallen to the wayside in favor of fearmingering even more than normal

There is no real economically viable labor replacement at this point in time.

>You would have a point if we never came out of the recession but we did a while ago.

If we weren't deficit spending we would still be in recession. As a nation we're living on the credit card.

>at this point in time.

Key phrase. But in less than a decade shipping with be largely a machine process, and back office operations will be an AI product. Those alone are tens of millions of jobs that at worst are over, and at best will never see a wage increase again.

Once upon a time cashiers had a union and made the equivalent of $20 per hour+benefits. Now you're lucky to get over $10.

You state labor replacement is far out, and I'm saying it's not as far as you think.

yes because outsourcing is the same as banning an entire technology

you're a child

>As a nation we're living on the credit card.
>Confuses national debt with personal debt

We've had a running national debt since the Revolutionary War. It was only retired once in 1832, which resulted in a recession.

National debt is how a nation raises funds from investors in the same way that a corporation issues bonds or stocks. The amount of national debt is relatively meaningless on it's own, what matters is economic performance of the nation and whether investors have confidence in it's ability to perform.

I visited a bottled water factory that was about 90% automated last year. Maybe 20 employees in a factory that wouldve employee hundreds a few decades ago. Laser guided forklifts and shit.

Automation isnt necessarily AI. 30 years ago, you needed 5 guys at the end of every manufacturing line putting boxes onto pallets. Now, a machine does that almost universally

But the problem is that has always been the case.

When steam engines were invented it eliminated millions if not billions of work ours.

When the wheel was invented the "cost" to move goods dropped dramatically.

Never have people just sat around with nothing to do, the AI and automation machines WILL require human involvement. 1 person will be able to do A LOT more but that's fine.

Not to mention, just like all innovations, it will lead to new industries or allow people the chance to explore and discover new things.

You only think of automation as bad because you assume society is static and doesn't change.

Long term deficits only pan out when you grow faster than than you take on new bonds. National debt has consistently outpaced GDP for decades now.

The result is similar to personal finance. Eventually no one will lend you money. We're not there yet as seen by Japan/Europe. But it sure is the path to insolvency.

Most manufacturing is low-volume high-mix and automation is hardly versatile enough to handle it. Most manufacturing is small businesses anyway these days.