Today I bought this collection from the Nag Hammadi finds, which contains a large amount of Gnostic writings. I was wondering what you guys thought about these "non-canon" books of the New Testament in particular.
As a sort of background for those not in the know, the Bible assembled by the Church is only a fraction of the extent writings done by Christians or others on Christ and his time, and the Nag Hammadi library was a pretty large collection of those writings which apparently the Church desired to hide since the teachings didn't fit their narrative.
Weren't those scrolls written by some isolated cult which wasn't part of Christianity?
Wyatt Sanchez
all i know is that Erich von Daniken loves these books, they are much of the foundation of his writings.
they talk about the wathcers, annunaki, and otherdivine encounters that are probably ayy lmaos trying to redpill a bunch of monkeys
Jeremiah Morris
no they were censored away by the Council of Niece in 300BC
didnt fit the narrative. jews being jews.
Ethan Williams
Fun to learn about, but when you think of the larger function religion has (social cohesion, moral guidance, community interaction, etc) it's not really important.
The Christianity we have now is actually pretty decent, and I think gnosticism has even more potential for poz. It just has a liberal, contrarian feel to it. >um ACTUALLY the old testament god was the evil Yaldabaoth who created this world as a PRISON
If you believe in Perennialism, gnosticism is just another path toward the higher truths imbued in all major religions, and isn't the only way to experience direct knowledge of the divine (gnosis). I enjoy reading about esoteric Christianity and occultism and gnosticism and kabbalah, but I don't think it's useful on a large scale because most people simply won't get it. When it comes to esotericism I think it has to be a personal journey or something done with a small group of like-minded people. The masses simply aren't receptive to these ideas.
Levi Gutierrez
Your timeline is a bit out but you are basically right.
Joshua Sanders
>The Christianity we have now is actually pretty decent No, biblical christianity is Saturn worship. You might as well worship the black cube in mecca, because it's the same thing.
Jeremiah Jones
Early Christianity was a stew of many different beliefs and interpretations of the sacred texts. Some of them radically different from each other.
Our Christianity is descended from the "winner" of these disputes, who, once in power, purged all the other versions of Christianity and established their beliefs as the orthodoxy. Our bible is the set of beliefs that Christians "settled on", but there were many more "sacred texts" that could have been used if the winners had been a different sect.
Hunter Myers
>The Christianity we have now is actually pretty decent
Which one? The one about prosperity and how to lose weight that's being pumped into the minds in huge makeshift stadiums? Or the one that's devoid of any spirituality?
Gabriel Johnson
Which obscure form of paganism should we convert 2 billion Christians to? What's your plan to make it happen?
Nicholas Rogers
Not really.
Adrian Flores
Mods! Not political. saged
Oliver Young
As a christian how can we hope to know what is and isn't true.
Jose Rodriguez
>2 billion christians are feeding a saturnine egregore with their prayers Anything but Islam is better at this point.
Yeah you should have seen the rock concert at the Council of Nicea. The tattooed pastor signed Constantine's helmet! Jewish academia won't acknowledge!
Luke Morgan
They're interesting reads, publicly proclaiming reading them gets one nowhere though.
Dylan Bailey
Take your heresy somewhere else, heretic. Or do you not realize the satanic element of gnosticism? Gnosticism turns Christ into a mere intellectualism, attainable only by those 'illumined' by gnosis. In reality, you never know anything, and deceive yourself. Read the Athanasian creed and follow it, avoid gnostic heresies
Benjamin Hill
You can also checkout Prometheus Rising
Kevin Morgan
What is interesting is that all these writings confirm that actually Jesus existed, and something very important happened these days.
>The Christianity we have now is actually pretty decent,
If "decent" means a decadent interpretation that doesn't follow the original teachings, putting the personal needs of some wakos and losers over the truth?....
Evan Gray
Massive chuckle
Gavin Diaz
>Modern Christianity is a stew of many different beliefs and interpretations of the sacred texts. Some of them radically different from each other.
Fixed.
Mason Rogers
>Gnosticism turns Christ into a mere intellectualism, attainable only by those 'illumined' by gnosis Christ is one big solar/serpent allegory. He's about as real as Hiram Abiff.
Sebastian Evans
>jew-tales left out of the jew Bible great thread shlomo maybe the demiurge will fuck you up
Samuel Allen
Some one is butthurt that they haven't actually communed with the holy spirit. Merely passing on any such contact into a cracker and wine.
Christopher Diaz
Better at being blatant, yes.
Zachary Parker
>What is interesting is that all these writings confirm that actually Jesus existed, and something very important happened these days. but what. I just want to know the truth of the divine, but I have no idea what to do.
Ryder Foster
All of modern Christianity is descended from the sect that became orthodoxy in the 300s. lol @ all you conspiracy retards and fedoras trying to shoot sassy zingers in my direction instead of replying substantively
>OH YOU MEAN THE CHRISTIANITY THAT KISSES THE FEET OF MUSLIM REFUGEES? YEAH NO THANKS BUB
Try to imagine you're talking to an actual person and exchange actual ideas. This starts with reading what I said and figuring out what I actually meant by it. Click my ID and see my other posts if this helps orient you.
David Brooks
You must be smart. A smart contrarian bandwagoner.
Justin Nguyen
500 mg of benadryl and a bible my dude.
Josiah Ramirez
>gnosticism
Gnosticism is just mysticism , and mysticism is the base of ALL religions
The key here is that Jesus didn't came here to teach us a religion, neither his apostles.
Jace Nguyen
Nag Hammadi is certainly interesting. >"There is no God but me" >You lie, Samael the second line is nowhere to be found in modern scripture but the first is considered canon and YHWH's words instead of Samael's
What did they mean by this?
Brandon Reed
>I was wondering what you guys thought about these "non-canon" books of the New Testament in particular. Boring as fuck rambling that isn't even Christian.
If you want a braindead religion join Islam or the Democratic Party instead.
Bentley Cox
>fedoras There's not a single atheist post in the thread. You're living in your head.
Zachary Sullivan
Lots of people fell for the organized religion meme though. The sheep allegory is appropriate for most of them. A sheep knows nothing of the shepherds intentions.
Brayden Ramirez
I remember The Bible said to tell the difference between false enlightenment and true enlightenment is that the true spiritually fueled prophecies will always be correct but false teachings will be mostly correct but still have noticeable errors in their word.
What can I do with this information. Do you guys think it's reliable.
Hunter Robinson
Religion is political newfag
Gabriel King
One must eventually accept that one's subjective experience is all that we have for ascertaining any truth in the world. Benadryl brings one to a level beyond what most humans are capable of comprehending to be quite honest.
Kayden Cox
The book of Enoch is considered for some as "non canonical"
But the Bible has references of it, in other books.
The great problem with the "un-canonical" gospels is that we will find a hard time to confirm if they are real or fake, because the new testament canonicity is way more fragile than the old testament.
But Im pretty sure that at least one of these un canonical gospels are
Camden Stewart
>I just want to know the truth of the divine go meditate. Even gnostic jesus would agree with my advice.
>which apparently the Church desired to hide since the teachings didn't fit their narrative. It was because these books were wrote much time after what the cultists claimed.
It was not because it didnt fit their narrative, it was because some cults wrote books and claimed it to be the word of some important person in past(Enoch's case)
Easton Harris
So you're trying to say the truth is way too hard to know?
Jackson Richardson
> how can we hope to know what is and isn't true.
Nathan Hall
Stick with philosophy, then you can start going to more mystical ways.
Greek philosphers spoke a lot about the divine
Bentley Ramirez
>Benadryl How do we know that isn't just an illusion that fools us.
Brandon Price
then everything is merely an illusion
Easton Lopez
I don't follow that logic.
Oliver Gray
So Jesus is Neo...or neo is Jesus?
Connor Harris
Sorry, misread what you said.
Both respond roughly to the same "savior" archetype. It doesn't really matter.
Carter Rogers
>>Benadryl Almost ruined my entire life with that shit
it doesn't open shit up, it just makess you hallucinate but you believe 100% that everything is real
last time I used it some creature in a world made of foam told me that all I had to do was trip on benedryl one more time and I would get to stay with him forever
Didn't want to be in foam land forever, so i stopped
Dominic Myers
>Didn't want to be in foam land forever, so i stopped >TFW user missed his chance to reach ascension.
