Isn't it weird that people in this country are forced to work by threat of homelessness and starvation?

that's how it works in all non-first world countries

what do you mean by this? are you saying america is not first world?

There is wage labour in austria too

Damn, our education system is bad.

the weak should fear the strong

Yeah try 5$ an hour...

You do have the freedom to live in a home without paying rent if you can find the sucker willing to accept that arrangement.

do you consider yourself strong? why?

So your solution is to become a tranny and get fucked in the ass by a sugardaddy?

Sorry, i prefer socialism.

I think you're into something. If everyone did that then there would be no homeless. How about food? Where do we get free food?

The whole pretense of civilization is that the weak are stronger together. Hence the bundle of sticks metaphor. Agriculture pushed out the outliers of strength and independence, in favor of men bonded in cowardice.

HURRR DURRR U LIVE IN MERIKA U SHOULD BE GRATEFUL 4 U FREEDUMBS I MAY BE HUNGRY BUT AT LEAST IM

FREE
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USA USA UDA DURRRR

fpbp

Seriously OP, be glad that you have the freedom (and hopefully the intellect), to strive for the good life. There will always be classes, and you should be glad that you're not in the shit-tier class.

Haven't you ever noticed how there were kids in school who are way stupider than you? Have you also noticed that there were kids who were a bit smarter than you? Embrace this fact, my friend, it's unescapable reality

Pasta, but very eloquently and well put pasta. This user is right.

Life has always been a struggle, living day to day, harvest to harvest, winter to winter. This is nothing new. If you want to continue to exist, you either need to provide the necessities of life (water, food, shelter, etc.) for yourself, or provide some other good or service of value to society that can be traded for these necessities. That's the way nature works kiddo.

>Isn't it weird
No. That sounds like the natural fucking state of humanity, you commie cuck.

This is why socialism is the only real option.

The longer we stay with capitalism, the worse things will get.

>no one has to pay rent

god, i don't want to even begin thinking about how much the cost of all other goods would now go up

The answer is abolishing money and realizing our consciousness is not the only conciousness. This entire planet is a living conscious organism. We have to come together as people and with our planet and find our true self again.

That will never happen. Best we can hope is automation and the unavoidable wars that massive unemployment will cause some how culls out enough of the bullshit people and we can live off some universal currency system or something better. Automation is going to change everything. Probably for the worst for a while.

Praise kek faggots.

>These unemployed are kept in even worse misery to show the employed workers what will happen if they get uppity.

Yep, this is intentional. The culture is set up to prevent people from asking certain questions. To make certain questions unthinkable; and of course - impossible to discuss.

Call it commie but the land belongs to the people i rejrct being under tgreat of starvation with no way for me to do my human right to grow my own food and live on my land.

Subhuman.

The answer iw none of your jewish bullshit, its giving the land back to the people and exterminating rent aka serfdom.

>this pic and filename again
shill thread everyone leave

Fine with me let's try that first. And if you think any of what I wrote is Jewish I don't know what to tell you. Finding peace as human beings and being in touch with the planet isn't exactly something Jews give a fuck about friend.

But I am down to try your way faggot.

Fuck off with your gay shit. Go find an attractive man who has bought into that cuck ideology. Oh wait, you can't, because men aren't feels-first idiots like most women. The only people who benefit from such a system are the ones who are so pathetic that they can't handle the current one which, in all fairness, has produced the greatest quality of life for EVERYONE the world has ever seen. Even poor people know they're not going to die because of bills or even medical catastrophes and everyone has A/C and an insane amount of entertainment to keep them from having to worry about the stresses of life. Focus on how to improve your own life, not about how some rich person somewhere has more than you ever will and how you need to cry to deal with it. You're a faggot and no one but pathetic idiots will buy into this. I just wanted you to know.

>be in North Korea, every non-government employee is equal, equally poor as fuck
>get involved in black market for random stuff, like South Korean soap opera DVD's or chocolate cookies smuggled in from China
>fucking risky, but worth it because now I have a little more money and can live a little more comfy life
>also, i'm fucking smart so i can pull this shit off and not get caught

you see, there will always be innovative people who can improve themselves better than others can, no matter how hard you try to suppress it. the capitalist system truly runs the world, even in the most communist of countries.

>he wants to discuss a real economic issue so he is a shill!!!!
>discuss trump or hillary or get out!!!
Sorry, but Cred Forums is not a wholly owned subsidiary of CTR and Trump

I just want to start my generations in our own land that we develop, the rest of society will be worked with when people arent choked to death by feudal lords and have the autonomy and independence for their own life in their own power and not undet the power of a foreign element.

What if people just took care of themselves?

These threads always make me realize how retarded Cred Forums really is.

Everyone here is talking about being redpilled and shit but at the same time they are getting fucked in the ass by the 1% and capitalism.

Jewish get the fuck out.

Then buy a house faggot

Fuck you it's another shoah up in this bitch now GOY.

Yes, they should. They shouldn't force others to work for someone else's benefit. That's what wage labour is.

Self-employment is ideal but it is dying out and maybe is already dead.

You do not have the power of your own house nor is it secure from foreign elements.

nice argument.

I also wish that all the goods and resources that I need to live my life at my standards of comfort can be completely taken for granted, but alas, I too have to get up and take action to get what i want. At least I have the freedom to do what I want to get what I want.

Are you forced to work for someone else? Like, literally forced? Or are you just unhappy and short sighted?

We will vote if the land belongs to the people to divy out or if it belongs to the capital obtainers aka feudal lords.

>on this episode of the chateau autiste...

I am granting freedom, you are currently chained to the capital owners will for life or death which means they could pay you bread and water or starve you.

I am not talking about myself because I am actually fairly wealthy.

But most wage labourers are forced to work by threat of homelessness or getting their car repossessed. That's all I mean. There is no one with a stick hitting you all the time, obviously. But if you don't pay your rent or mortgage, someone with a stick will come and hit you if you don't leave the house. This is force.

You are granting nothing. Your mother probably wants you to move out btw. Fucking slacker.

Forced, if the land was equally distributed then it would be choice, because then the people have a choice.

Your owners pay you bread and water dont like it starve.

>tfw feudalism never dies

>There is a better way. We don't have to live like this.
National Socialism?

Fuck you, jew

the same fuckign thread photo and filename are posted every day you newfaggot

OP BTFO

Literally none of this is true.

>In the bronze age the average life expectancy was 26 years old
>>reddit.com/

This.

We are free men not slaves.

All that's left to say is common sense gun legislation now, implement universal basic income, and fuck the alt-right.

(((forced)))
Lying down and dying is an option.

>Isn't it weird that people in this country are forced to work by threat of homelessness and starvation?
>Isn't it weird that people in this country are forced to work to get shit?
What the fuck do you expect? Do you just want to get shit for free?

Fighting force with force also.

(((equally distributed)))
Can't have distribution without a distributor.

Lmao fuck you losers if you are poor piece of shit just die lmao

(((Google))) would seem to disagree with you, user

Ytpical slav, incapable of understanding western thought and definition of freedom.

If your goal is to earn a living on your back that would be a start. Most people earn a living other ways.

SAVAGE

Op retreats

it was. But this estimate is most likely adding the people who died in infancy

UBI NOW

IN THE FUTURE THERE WILL BE PEOPLE WHO DO NOT NEED TO WORK

I WILL JUST HAPPEN TO BE ONE OF THOSE PEOPLE

Same distribution capital owners distribute it with a market.

Isn't it weird that people in this country are forced to use toilets by threat of soiled underwear and bad smells?

Over half the country, 180 million people, are living toilet to toilet, or worse. They are kept in this condition because who else would dedicate in their pants that cost $12 a pair.

If a mass of people were not kept on the edge of their toilets, plumbing would not even function. This mass people was created when small outhouses were pushed off the land by indoor bathrroms. In Iowa, my home state, this happened between 1910 and 1960. Now, instead of working their own outhousez and keeping the fruit of their labor, they are forced to shit to make someone else rich. Most of these people don't have enough bathroms to seat more than two people. They are completely trapped.

Also, the constipation rate in this country is 30-40% (Mr. Trump is right about that). These unshittables are kept in even worse misery to show the emptry shitters what will happen if they get uppity. One of these constipatex people will replace them and they will end up part of the constipated underclass.

These toilets and constant stress and constantly moving from one city to another is decreasing human interaction. It is leading to lower marriage rates, lower birth rates for all races, not to mention drug addiction.

There is a better way. We don't have to live like this.

Yes! Establish the merit system! Meritocracy Now!
(A Socialist Meritocracy can't exist, they're verbatim opposites)

So, forcing landowners to gib me dat?

Why do you think strong helpful families are so fucking important? You're supposed to get working at 16-18, work until you save up enough to pay for schooling or learning a trade, you can do all this while living at home with your parents, which nowadays because of the economy is fine. Once you are able to get a better paying job and have enough saved up you then find a roommate or friend to move out with and get a small place of your own. I don't even have a job yet and I'm still living with a parent and I'm 24, I kick myself in the ass everyday for not being more social and for not job hunting while I was the prime age for a shitty little job somewhere, where I am there is literally nothing, I've applied everywhere for two years straight, only gotten three interviews, they are only hiring high school age, cute girls, or people with previous job experience or friends of friends.

>Capital owners

Come on man, don't you own stuff too?

That's literally how it should be. Probably not people living paycheck to paycheck but you should have to work to survive. If you disagree you're a lazy entitled piece of shit.

Isn't it weird that people still want to take money from people that work to support their NEET lifestyle?

>forcing
Mandatory sale for geberal non exempt land that isnt occupied.

There are more than enough vacant homes in the US alone.

I'M GIVING ALL YOU RIGHT-WING TORY CAPITALISTS 15 MINUTES TO GET OFF YOUR BOARD

I WILL NOT HESITATE TO HUG YOU

So yes.

Work to survive by having means to sustain your life in your sole power.

Selling it, recompensated for money used tonpurchase it and or development on it.

wtf, i hate property rights now

Fuck the shills, I'm right there with you man.

But you can't just wish economics to be the way you want it to be.

Also, nicely argued points, lol

We are not changing property rights we are granting more righta but we are giving estates to the people.

So, yes and we'll (((fairly))) compensate you

What should they do? Not work? Sit at home like a NEET and live off everyone else?

Thefe is nothing revolutiobary calm yourself hans, just houses given to the people, your coins do not matter.

Jesus what the fuck is that?

underrated post

WHO OWNS THE ESTATES?

WILL THE OWNERS BE COMPENSATED FOR YOUR ARBITRARY REDISTRIBUTION?

90% of my fans are RACIST

Give the means for individuals to survivw on their own, tgis changes power dynamics to choice and not a steady spiral to 99% serfs working to eat under power of another aka slavery.

this post really activated my almonds

Each individual, nothing arbituary.

This is why SJW's came into relvance during the '11 occupy wall street. If poor people were against the rich that would no good goyim. Thats why Social Justice was est-d you fucker. you took the bait-mon.

considering the fact that USA has been successfully playing the role of the global vampire ever since the petrodollar's inception thus redistributing other nations' wealth into domestic economy, just imagine how bad things are likely to get once that game is over

I for one am really looking forward to seeing the chaos and dat 2A in action, perhaps anons will get to re-live the 1776 time and actually accomplish that MAGA pipe dream

...lol... people like you OP literally need to be skinned. You are such harmful degenerates it is unreal. I make $11 an hour and live more than comfortably in a nice one bedroom apartment while I take online classes for an IT degree. Our system is perfect and all it takes to start a business is take the time to think of a great idea. Why are you a nigger?

you didn't answer my questions you fuckin sperg

This!

This.

Though, as a prog, I don't think capitalism is the problem in and of itself. I think it's the cronyism that's the problem. Capitalism is just an economic theory, that when enacted en masse, must be well regulated. Cronyism is the first reaction of the old powers to undermine capitalism. Capitalism is driven by diversity and competition. Cronyism is driven by greed to destroy competition.

these are the people I have been arguing with

My whole point is that there is no incentive to house the homeless in capitalism. There is no incentive to meet needs that are not backed up by money. This needs to change.

Is that your flat or are you in rehab?

Keeps the homeless out of sight. Isn't that worth it?

fuck off tory scum

>I like capitalism, but not actually existing capitalism

>if you don't work, you don't have a home and can't eat
WOW SO OPPRESSED

If democrats would stop importing cheap labor their would be alot of jobs and money.

Then stop enabling the weak to be weak. Force them to buck up or starve.

if you kill yourself noone can force you to work, and therefore you win
godspeed user

If you dont search for a feudal lord to work on his estate you do not eatnot if yoy do not work on your own estste do you not eat.

>force them to seize land

>we should have the freedom to live in a home without paying rent

You have that freedom. Go chop down some trees and build a house

Ever notice its only the niggers that are starving? Mexicans - not starving. White people? Nope. Asians. Busy becoming Doctors. Niggers? Yep. Dad left, Mom's too busy being self important and spreading her legs. Always niggers. I have a solution. People just don't want to accept it.

> just houses given to the people

I wish it were that easy.

You pay taxes too, right? Enjoy paying for pic-related's house

You do not, all the land is claimed by capital owners.

dont forget the mass importation of mexicans who lower the quality of life for everyone who is not rich or well-off
they also add job market demand and lower the quality of wages

Yeah pretty much. "Capitalism" as it exists now is just cover for ponzi schemes created by the banking class to level against policy. We (the richest country in recorded history) can afford innumerable, unending wars to for "resources" that are toxic to the environment for everyone but we cannot afford a nationalized comprehensive healthcare system. Yeah, it seems this form of capitalism is antithetical to individual liberty.

If republicans would pay taxes...

Republican democrats, dont matter.

and CA prop 187 unanimously passed because of how terrible spic crime used to be in the 90s. it was so fucking bad that all of liberal california agreed on practically deporting them. you cannot possibly understand how bad the situation to be for something like this to happen.
so many americans were affected by this import of poverty. many even killed. and nobody gives a fuck. nobody decided through moral conscience that it would be a bad idea to create chaos for everyone who is not rich or upper middle class.
something needs to be done about this. it is a crime to the american people and many need to pay.

america needs better justice

>what he said is not really what he meant
End self

>Isn't it weird that people in this country are forced to work by threat of homelessness and starvation?
Your entire rant can be discarded just by the first sentence. You believe in the false legitimacy of government. You believe in magic. You believe in fairy tales. You believe the world owes you something. Things are really much more mechanical and physical than you think.

We are organic, biological creatures, which need food to survive. You can obtain food by growing your own, or by working and buying food. That's how you survive. You're basically mad that people don't just automatically take care of this process for you. Why should they? They have their own selves to worry about.

>but that's barbaric and selfish
No, it's barbaric and selfish to install a system that steals money from people and redistributes it to people who don't want to take care of their own needs. We aren't responsible for your well-being.

>Everyone here is talking about being redpilled and shit but at the same time they are getting fucked in the ass by the 1% and capitalism.
The best part is if anyone tried to think of an alternate, they would fuck it up anyways.

Is this girl retarded. She went over the edged bigtime with her lipstick.

we're the land of opportunity, not the land of entitlements

youtube.com/watch?v=VBFvzRRwJCw

i support basic wage

every american gets 3k a month from the state

Obviously people should suffer if they aren't born rich or pretty :^)

nobody has a counter argument to this? cause i'd like to hear it

How to desmolish small business in 1 easy step

That's why we need a guaranteed basic income. People could have real free uncoerced economic activity if we weren't forced into shit jobs to pay rent and eat. We could stop abuse of this by disallowing immigrants or their offspring from using this and limiting it to one child per family. If you have more than one kid they're your responsibility. This is why welfare is a failure. It encourages people to have kids to get gibme's and get the kids gibme's.

i've been fired 10 times for showing up to work piss drunk

i have an addiction and nothing will fix it

Isn't it weird that animals in this world are forced to hunt and forage in order to provide for themselves by threat of starvation?

>Haven't you ever noticed how there were kids in school who are way stupider than you?
That's not a guarantee they will be unsuccessful. I know plenty of people, okay... some people, that are stupider than me and more successful.

What is your better way darling?

Why is that anyone's problem but your own? Stop being a weak pussy.

How does this support your position?

In their own land not under ownership of a petvowner.

They qre paid fully of their production and eat the whole deer, humans have less rights than an animal.

drunk circular reasoning, as usual.

salvation army has food pantrys with food that lasts up to 3 years

>Isn't it weird that people in this country are forced to work by threat of homelessness and starvation?
no

i'm not weak, i can bust a bottle of jack over your head

The government actually creates and destroy jobs in order to control inflation and prices. I was taught this in high school. It's not even a secret, the government is controlling us with this method. Anyone who talks about creating jobs is talking out their ass since that is not how our economy works.

What's the alternative? Automatization of all this work? Now all these people have nothing to do 24/7 and don't tell me they will do art or science. The alternative to mass poverty is that most of mankind literally degenerates into a mass of hedonistic monkeys, barely conscious and devote of any higher values or thoughts.

>I am pro freedom
>I am left leaning
shut the fuck up, nigger.

No ones talking of not working but of being forced to work under another to eat.

>Assuming people living off basic income wouldn't spend money at small businesses.

Very logical indeed.
+1 internet

Yes those amish suffer from mass poverty.

>we should have the freedom to live in a home without paying rent
Which requires you to force someone to build houses. Nobody is "free" from the consequences of life.

What organism isn't you fucking faggot. And find a way to not have it be this way all you'll realm be doing is adding a few more steps in between but still actually doing the same.

>Isn't it weird that people in this country are forced to work by threat of homelessness and starvation?

No.
It's called survival.
Either you live or you do things in exchange for living.

Then start your own business.

...

So can anyone who isn't a twig.

Nod an argubent.

If people are making 36k per year for doing nothing the effective minimum wage would need to be over $15 - probably closer to $20 for there to be any incentive for people to work.

Apart from that, a small business generally won't have the margins necessary to hire people at that kind of rate, so they have to inflate costs to keep up, but guess what? Large business will just undercut them, so in reality, people won't be spending money at small businesses because it will cost more so they will all but disappear.

We could make it a little more civilized, though. We don't have to live in this crazy Jungle/1984 post-democracy world. But who am trying to convince? Some men just want to watch the world burn.

fuck off, come to nebraska, i'll kick your ass, my dad gave me a truck to drive, i'll run you over with a 3,000lb truck

>Isn't it weird that people in this country are forced to work by threat of homelessness and starvation?

Isn't it weird that every human since the dawn of time, and every animal to ever have existed, has had to work by threat of homelessness and starvation?

He's not exactly wrong though. Commies can burn as far as I'm concerned, but the workers have been getting screwed for a while now and have the state and moral decay to thank for it. That's just for us, that doesn't even include your side of the globe.

Even if so, not all land is equally fertile and some faggots would be bitching about that too.

>on post by this ID

You dont get it, jesus.

Nearly half of the country doesn't pay income tax for one reason or another. To top it off we have a big number of illegals who receive benefits of those who do pay taxes but contribute nothing except cheap, under the table labor.

Socialism will not work in a country like this. There are not enough people willing or able to pay income tax. Those who are will be taxed to death and will either be thrown into poverty themselves and become untaxable, or will leave the country and you lose another taxpayer.

Nothing is free. Nothing comes without hard work and I guarantee you our country will collapse to poverty and suffering like you've never seen if attempts were made at fully integrating socialist policies

I do.

> there are only two types of people: the people who want control over others and the people who just want to be left alone.

alt-market.com/articles/2307-why-is-independence-so-frightening-to-some-people

There's another way to look at this:

True competition, where you can die if you lose, is what nature is based on. To deny the value of that is essentially saying that you know better than the evolutionary process that got us here. further, by designing society to keep people alive no matter what, you are stifling them and never allowing their human potential to be reached. I'm not talking just about the individual, either. Most humans use social connections to enhance the chance of survival. Welfare is one of the biggest causes of social disconnection and loneliness.

When you say that, people's first reaction is to cry and bitch. But everybody who has experienced that feeling of things being down to the wire, where life was not guaranteed, where you had to act to ensure your survival, knows that it has a satisfying in a way nothing else is - either alone or with others, you feel a connection to life that you don't get watching TV or going rock climbing with a harness. Or else they died. But what a way to die. Dying while trying to live is a beautiful thing. Dying from diabetes because your food stamps can only buy you high-sugar crap isn't as beautiful.

It is much more complicated these days, but you can still approach life as though you have to survive on your own wits. I spent years not getting welfare and also having no job, and the worry and stress gave way to a determined energy I never had when things felt safe. I truly recommend people stop thinking in terms of fairness and what is deserved and start taking calculated risks that actually have risk. It is painful at first, but then it lets you feel actually alive and not stifled.

Haha no you don't even believe a woman could want you.

>the people who want control over others
you mean like managers, HR, owners of factories, landlords, etc.?

Tax subsidies for small businesses and a higher tax burden on large multinationals could sort that right out.

Given the choice and opportunity most people choose to do something productive. The current system is antithetical to this very basic choice because they are forced to work jobs that are really not all that productive in terms of real value.

>3,000lb
Nice trucklet, you fucking chug

What kind of woman would pay for a house husband? Sorry, i live in the real world and I haven't seen that. Maybe black women do that but no other kind of woman.

people born rich dont have to work at all and make money from having money.

i would work a job that pays $12 per hour you whinny bitch

Come and take my land. I dare you

>Tax subsidies for small businesses and a higher tax burden on large multinationals could sort that right out.
You mean like the current taxation system?

>Given the choice and opportunity most people choose to do something productive.
Based on what? All the niggers on welfare?

>The current system is antithetical to this very basic choice because they are forced to work jobs that are really not all that productive in terms of real value.
>own a business
>hire people just for shits & giggles even though they have no practical value

No ones going to take the land you live in cletus.

trucklet?

i can do burnouts with my 320hp v8 engine, you fucking leaf

suck it

Stypid nigger.

Only western euros allowed to speak.

Current system large multinational corps extract wealth from American workers and store it in offshore tax havens and have been known to pay effectively 0 or are even paid back taxes while paying off govt officials to say that it's legal.

We are speaking of vacqnt homes and land used just to speculate value being distributed to the people.

Gee I wonder who's responsible for all of this shit

Still a trucklet, midsize fag

Lmao

You're literally a step away from orthodox Marxism. Marx alleged that Capitalism was a necessary historical development on the road to Socialism (hence the failure of neo-feudal Russia's and agrarian China's leap to communism). The Industrial Revolution made a certain standard of living possible - as evinced by the new forms of leisure and luxury enjoyed by the bourgeois enjoyed at the expense of the working masses. But, as you say, we need to improve upon these gains.

Socialism is merely a rational re-organization of the forces of production for the benefit of all instead of the few. Capitalism has indeed created wealth, it is the object of Socialism to universalize it.

What real value does franking give us when the oil reserves we already own are contain enough carbon to kill the planet as it stands.

I don't think subsidising an industry to destroy the environment for theoretical profit is a valuable policy considering to imminent dangers of climate change.

If you're gonna respond to my posts two separate times could you at least try to provide an argument you fucking sperg.

Are you saying that the big farmers and big landowners of Iowa are jews?

Nigga please

All four major commercial banks are owned and operated by gentiles. Wells Fargo, Bank of America, JP Morgan, and Citi all have non-jewish CEOs.

Jews are doing well in hedge funds, which are a tiny portion of the economy compared to the big four banks.

There is simply no evidence that most of our economic woes are caused by jews.

>there's people on this board who unironically see nothing wrong with this

why aren't you telling these useless neets to get a a job at mcdonalds ?

The current system allows for banks to woefully defraud their own customers without recourse and hold the American tax payers accountable for their bad gambling debts made against the very same tax payers.

...

How will automation change things for the worst for a while? That your Luddite mentality talking?

>There is a better way. We don't have to live like this

I agree. Start the race war now and let's reduce the population and the welfare state since that's the real reason we have to live like this.

pic

Caused it for saying stupid shit.

some of those want to control others, some of those want to be left alone.

sorry blackbro, ignore that guy

real socialists are not racist at all

i am a socialist and i am in favor of open borders so that we can all be brothers

They all DO CONTROL OTHERS. It doesn't matter what they "feel" in their hearts. It only matters what they actually do. They actually control other's behavior--that's their job in capitalism.

>being a retard that thinks mcdonalds cures poverty
No, we need to tell people there are acquirable jobs outside of retail, sales, or programming.

such as seizing the means of production right comrade?

you job gets automated and congratulations you are now homeless

The farmers you are referring to worked longer hours and did more difficult labor for less "pay" before being industrialized.

fuck you

No such thing as socialists i am for general settling of people in land and houses not any marxist dogma.

A guy who doesn't pay taxes for 20 years could hardly be president. If everyone does that, the country would collapse. Great example!

whatever, Just don't be hateful toward black people.

They control others, but wanting to control others is not a requirement to be a business owner. Those employees made a conscious decision to work for that company.

No fuck off eucalyptus muncher. A big reason why a lot of young people are unemployed is because they are conditioned to think if you don't work to sustain unnecessary consumerism with other blithering idiots at a downtown establishment, you're a barbaric simpleton. We need to rid them of this mindset. That doesn't mean turning to communism.

all you need to live

200 bucks a month for food

friends couch to sleep on

a 14mpg truck to drive

then you've got it made

>Isn't it weird that people in this country are forced to work by threat of homelessness and starvation?
So, people should be able to just not work and still be provided for?

>tfw working at Walmart for a decade
>tfw no GED but thankfully never thought I'd be making $15/hr

I was homeless at one point in my life and worked at a burger King for five years. I understand it can always be worse.

In the Greek and later Roman antiquity, life expectancy was very similar to today expectancy. You are wrong.

a job is a job is a job is a job

that's what i tell sluts all the time who moan about working at target

"would you rather be sucking my dick for 200 bucks then someone takes 75% of that 200 at the end of the week?"

that usually shuts them up

Sorry, on my phone.

Just saying that I don't have an argument while not addressing the content of my posts is real class mate. Maybe read something, other than red pill trigger trash.

>That's literally how it should be.

Ehh, yes and no. You are right but humans are supposed to be smart and figure out a better way. And there is a better way.

For instance we can use robots to do a lot of work for us. There is a problem with robots and capitalism, only the owners of the robots reap the benefits.

When driverless cars become a thing, it will put millions of people out of jobs. Truckers, taxi drivers, shipping, delivery drivers.

Robots, automation, and AI should be seen as a good thing. But with capitalism, its only a good thing to the people who own the robots! Everybody else loses.

It's common sense that robots should help everybody. When everything is eventually automated, what will people do to earn money?

Imagine that future. There would be 1% super rich, and 99% poverty. Something has to give.

Nothing, if the people have their land what "rich" people do is irrelevant.

This

Surprise surprise socialism's aim is to leech off the success of others

not this shit again.

Try an experiment - build one of those tiny houses, except put it on a real foundation. And then see how many bureaucrat nazis come out of the woodwork to attack you.

Those are the people keeping you from your freedom. And frankly I think they should feel a little pain and fear, because most of them think they can slap you around like a bitch.

When robots take over everything they'll just institute a guaranteed minimum income program funded by taxing the robot labor.

Can't happen soon enough IMO, which is why we need to kick out the cheap illegal immigrant labor and raise the minimum wage to force more automation faster.

>Also, the unemployment in this country is 30-40%

You're a fucking moron. Get lost commie

Thomas Sowell

Retard, this is all part of commies plan.

>forced to work by threat of homelessness and starvation
>It is leading to drug addiction.
>can't afford food and housing... can't raise capital... but can afford drugs...
Lose the drug habit retards!

>America
>Starvation

No basic income.

Bernie lost, get over it.

It's weird that other countries are industrializing and making us less and less economically relevant, and that our government is actually helping them do this, when there are so many actual Americans without a place in the economy.

It's been that way since the dawn of time: work or starve. What the fuck make you such a special snowflake that you dont join your ancestors and the rest of humanity in the struggle?

Fucking retard reeeee read thread.

Some people are content with living on 12/hr. Accept that fact bro

kys

>these threads always make me realize how retarded Cred Forums really is
mostly burgers, they're irredeemable. basement dwellers working on minimum wage supporting corporatism. topkek

I think it's weirder that a person isn't motivated enough to keep themselves from starving/being homeless by budgeting and not being retarded with their money like I see a lot of younger adults do

I'd rather not eat if it means I can't speak

son, u got obliterated by the leaf

JIDF

No, this is precisely the capitalist model, wherein the worker creates wealth and the owner appropriates the majority of it for himself.

Socialism involves the eradication of such leeches through the abolition of property and the restoration of wealth to the defrauded workers of the world. This can be done gradually and democratically, but in times of crisis it can also be accomplished via mass revolutionary action. By ballot or bullet, communism is the future. Historical inevitability, don't ya know?

Opie is right to a degree, but I don't think the solution is free shit for everyone. The issue from what I can see is that there are simply too many people. We're like farmed fish wiggling around on top of each other and the only way we can get ahead is by playing our master's game. We're like this because there's simply nowhere to move. You can't get land to grow foods or start enterprise without selling yourself to work as a save for the better part of your life. I find the idea that a tiny plot of land one hour from a small town can cost upwards of half a million dollars while the average wage has sat at ~60,000 before tax for the last 20 years ridiculous.

Commie kike.

HEY. IF THE GOVERNMENT REGULATION PRIOR TO WWII WAS KEPT CONSTANT WE WOULD HAVE A GDP OF 50 TRILLION AND NOT 15 TRILLION. POVERTY WOULD NOT BE A PROBLEM IN THE SLIGHTEST IN OUR SOCIETY IF IT HADN'T BEEN FOR GOVERNMENT INTERVENTION.

All of the problems you see with society today are more than likely a result of government intervention.

Is this how we communicate in rightwing circles?

Am I doing it right or should I include audio of myself grunting?

>Also, the unemployment in this country is 30-40%

and Cred Forumsburgers think is normal, a natural.
you guys are really retarded.

No aegument with kikedom, i am for giving estates to the volk not doing kike shit.

Someone never was threatened by nature in their life :^)

Fucking lol reading this thread. Cred Forums has zero problems calling out the jew on social issues, but as soon as we look at economic issues they become dirty fucking bootlickers. If you unironically think that our current cronie capitalist system isn't strongly in favour of the kike globalist overlords, you have rocks in your head.

Hm. What was that?

Something about not supporting The Only Democracy??

Yeah, because work camps are a great """incentive"""

>nothing comes without hard work

"If they want to be deceived, let them be deceived."

>/politics/ is full of statist faggots who know nothing

youtube.com/watch?v=aJURNC0e6Ek

you goys make really good slaves

>The worker creates wealth and the owner leeches off it
I see this meme on here a lot but it's wrong every single time it's posted. Take pretty much any job imaginable and you'll find that someone's work is literally worthless WITHOUT the boss there to provide something, be it the mine or the factory to work in or the tools to work with. If you are working a job where you yourself produce a product and your boss takes some of what it's worth, why not just sell that product yourself?

Take almost any service job. What intrinsic value does being a waitress or being a ticket-stand attendant have? You're not producing any sort of product, and there's really no skill involved. Even for more skilled service jobs, such as being a plumber or electrician, what you'll find a lot of the time are family owned companies with people who know their shit. If you do work for a business as a skilled serviceman, there will usually be some sort of benefit (ie the business provides the tools for repairing the pipes, wires, etc.)

3 easy rules for not being poor:
1) Finish High School
2) Don't have a child out of wedlock
3) Don't be a criminal

As for your mentally retarded essay: Would you prefer people just get everything for free? The leviathan caring for you from cradle to grave, living in perpetual dependence on government handouts? Take everything from people that actually try to make something out of themselves to feed the bums? If you want the elites to actually rule everything and control every aspect of your life, that's the way to go.
In Man's natural state you would starve if you refuse to hunt or at least collect some berries. And you would be homeless unless you build a hut yourself. What right do you leech think you have to a house somebody else designed, commissioned and build?

1 rule: distribute land to individuals.

>mfw commies CANNOT refute this

>the worker creates wealth and the owner appropriates the majority of it for himself.
The worker agrees to trade his labor for a wage. Most workers create relatively little of that wealth and are little more than mindless drones, doing what they are told. Stacking boxes, mopping floors, standing at a counter is not exactly creating anything. Most people that actually create are compensated fairly well (engineers, programmers, etc.) and often prefer a stable job instead of having to worry about the business side and continual survival of the company.

>Socialism involves the eradication of such leeches through the abolition of property and the restoration of wealth to the defrauded workers of the world.
Socialism involves the creation of leeches that see little reason to work or move up in the world. No property means that the guy that can barely count to 10 driving a truck is as well of as someone going to University for years to earn a degree and become a doctor. Why would most people bother with difficult studies and stressful work, if the reward is the same? Why excel above the masses, if you can just live in comfort with no worries? You don't restore wealth, you destroy it. Rewarding mediocrity and subsidizing unemployment will cause stagnation and eventually regression.

>communism is the future
More like the past. Communism is dead, the only thing still around is some weird Socialist-Capitalist hybrid and LMAO North Korea. If it will ever come back, it will end the same way as last time: poverty, work camps, mass executions, and eventual collapse.

>wherein the worker creates wealth and the owner appropriates the majority of it for himself.
>surplus value

Into the bin it goes

The worker got employed by the owner. The owner did not force the worker to work for him, it all came from a voluntary transaction (otherwise that would be slavery). So how is this leeching? If the worker doesn't like it, he's free to go work somewhere else, or start his own business.

Also, Marx's angle completely ignores the nature of time preference. See pic related.

>Isn't it weird that people in this country are forced to work by threat of homelessness and starvation?

People of every country have to do that, it's called reality, thermodynamics, human physiology.

Because we must eat, we must have good conditions - we must work. This isn't hard to understand if you aren't a literal fucking retard.

America is consumerism OP. I don't even care if this country exists in five years, fucking cancer for the whole world desu.

>nature holds me hostage
"Nature" doesn't have a will by which you can hold it morally accountable for anything.

I am not so pessimistic about America. I think we have a great future if we just take care of each other a bit more.

You can't even call it a country anymore. It's a mix of different cultures that spreads it's multicultural degeneracy all over the world. No one cares about each other because they think they are all different, it's liberalism in its final form m8.