I'll be starting a book club on my campus soon, pic related and want to get some input on how to subtly redpill people who come,
Idea is to make it a club focused on discussing personal development/virtue ethics/wellness, and subtly present the value of tradition/morality as an alternative way of life to the degeneracy around us.
Other topics I'm hoping to talk about include > Power > Communication/networking > Public speaking > Wellness (Physical, mental, emotional, relational, occupational, environmental, spiritual/philosophical) > Western civilization
I've picked out a couple books, but would appreciate some Cred Forums input > How to talk to anyone > 48 Laws of Power > After virtue
Stick to the classics, like Aristotle's Rhetoric. Beautiful poster by the way
Thomas Ross
Thanks burgerbro. I wanted to make something eye catching, but also traditional and evocative. Early meeting time to keep the degenerates away.
On Rhetoric is a good choice, but isn't it a bit dense? Although I'm minoring in philosophy, I don't quite feel confident that I'll be able to read it and understand it, and apply it.
Might also add Cialdini's Influence to the book list
Oliver Howard
Call it the History and Moral Philosophy club
I was thinking on doing the same, essentially a pro western civilisation club that also focuses on self-improvement. Basically a way to hang out with people who hate degeneracy.
Hudson Morgan
If your talking about power, you must read The Prince by Machaveli.
Adam Ross
Or The Leviathan, but I can see OP's point if he's worried about Rhetoric being a bit too much. Maybe find some method of standardizing excerpts or chapters for each week.
I definitely suggest forming a morning running routine, good way to bond
Ryan James
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Isaiah Wright
Appreciate the suggestions. I usually go to the gym in the morning (7:00-7:45), but adding in a group run at 6:40 is a great idea. This might be a good way to introduce Cred Forums to the mainstream, as we know that coming outright and saying "men are superior to women, and have the right to rule over them as a result of that" is enough to get you kicked off most campuses.
But, framing the conversation as 'well-being' and personal development, it becomes a lot easier to slip past people's SJW filters.
Camden Nguyen
You're doing God's work.
Bentley Ward
Thanks burger. I've been thinking about this for a long time, and wish that I had had some club like this for the past several years when I was trying (and continue to try) to figure out how to live.
Lots of kids who come from really good Christian homes and just end up being reactionaries, swinging violently from puritanism to absolute degeneracy to puritanism again without thinking seriously about what the good life is and how to live it, apart from religious dogma. (though I personally believe that morality is ultimately bound up in some transcendent reality, the details about whether or not that transcendent reality is triune or polytheistic seems besides the point)
Jason Anderson
Propaganda (Bernays) Coup d'etat The man on horseback
Great user, you are actually doing something. Too bad that in my case the Odontology and Medicine faculties are down-town and the rest of the university is in the rich part, it lets us get a lot of patines, but does not let me start anything like this since we are so separated, plus there is only one bus route that can get me to my university. You are doing God's work, user
Colton Young
Much appreciated Mexi-bro. I'm a chemistry major, so I don't know if I'll have as much time to devote to this as I like, but it's a start.
Juan James
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Jayden Price
Are you well read on the subject? Don't bother if not.
Anyway, I find the best method is to couch your lessons in the terms of vague eastern philosophies. They're more receptive to it than the writings of a >white male
William Jones
You also have to promise to introduce them to Evola or you've wasted the opportunity. Don't worry, nobody knows who he is anymore.
Adrian Reyes
CTR pls go.
Luis Williams
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Jackson Thompson
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Jace Richardson
I'm giving you sound advice for presenting philosophy, particular that which is supportive of a reactionary position, to normies who get triggered by the slightest implication of a hierarchy.
Anthony Russell
Entrepreneurship should be on your list of topics.
Ayn Rand - The Fountainhead is a book that will red pill the group on the evils of left wing collectivist thinking pretty well.
Aaron Rivera
what normie would see that poster and join
Parker Cox
Evola would be a good choice, but I'm worried about the possibility of people reeeeeeeeeing me out of the fairly small university if I don't include something like the Communist Manifesto just to cover my ass. I want to stick around as long as possible to redpill as many folks as I can.
Jonathan Gray
Oh and I live the poster by the way
>M-F
That should keep a few mouth breathers away
Logan Scott
I might change it to Public Speaking | Goals | Well-being, since those appeal to normies
Whoops, didn't see your second post. Being as well-read as possible is certainly beneficial, but I don't want to get stuck in a paralysis by analysis mode either.
Julian Jones
Ok, canacuck, listen here and listen well.
This is how you make a successful club as you envision.
From the start
>Males only I repeat MALES ONLY. You want this club to be about brotherhood. If women join, soon the men will go from trying to impress one another to impressing the women.
Not to mention women have a natural aversion to indepth discussion of politics and ideas because it is boring.
>Make it into a traditional gentleman's social club instead of a book club Books can only go so far. Friend groups, and I mean STRONG friend groups which last are founded in fraternities like on college or in the Masons.
>the club goes to the gym as a group Ideally you'd be the group of serious lifters that lift big boy weights. I'd recommend you at least become well versed in fitness before this otherwise you'll be like the group of Indians at the gym who just swarm dumbbells and curl for 2 hours.
>Have a slight dress code Of course nothing too extreme. Just make it so people don't look like bums or ungroomed when they're there. If you want top-tier people to look at you and consider joining, you need to uphold an image.
>Film night
Once a week or every couple weeks, host a film. I'm not talking Avengers crap, but things that 'really make you think'. Paths of Glory, Akira, Birdman, Raging Bull, Lawrence of Arabia, Brazil, etc.
Genuinely good film.
From there, I think you can fill in the blanks. Perhaps even host a speech night or a debate night where you have to make speeches on a political topic or even debate it formally.
I recommend renting a room at the campus and having an open event for anyone who wishes to watch.
Caleb Ramirez
Good idea. The business department at my school will like that, and the leadership team of the business students association has already expressed interest in my club idea
Eli Edwards
If you want to include Marx for reasons of obfuscation then use his critiques to bring about discussion of his contemporaries, Hegel being a good place to start. You can present yourself as playing Devil's Advocate in his defense if you really must but hopefully they'll see the poverty of Marx' philosophy for themselves.
Benjamin Martinez
Look, I agree with everything you're saying, I do, but I don't know how on earth I'm going to be able to get official sanction for this without getting kicked out of university, or having 0 support from the student's association. I'm going to need resources and connections at some point.
William Wright
the title's great, Arete is exactly what we need be studying.
Honestly you can't go wrong with Plato, Xenophon's pretty good too.
Pretty much if it's ancient greek, it's good to study it. Note that there are differing opinions in them, but that doesn't mean they shouldn't be studied. The Sophists are just as important (though no where near as close to the right track) as Plato to study.
also, this maybe even throw in some De Maistre
Bentley Morales
Just describe it as a boy's club. Like group reminiscent of boy scouts for men in college.
There you go.
Jason Gonzalez
Surly the only resources you need in the long run is a location. Rejecting the idea that a club must be sanctioned by the university sounds in line with the other things you stand for.
Christopher Parker
cheked. too bad I forgot my pic.
also this
Carter Gutierrez
Sounds good. I wish I had time to set something like that at my school.
Leo Butler
OP will be at risk of buggery given the state of male sexuality in the most recent generations.
Camden Perry
Oh, and of course don't make going to the gym "official"
Being healthy and fit is a lifestyle, not a hobby, so that will be a big leap for people.
Simply heavily encourage it among the members after the club forms.
Another thing I didn't add was look for potential once your group is sizable.
In the gym, the library, at debate/speech nights. Look for people who aren't in the club but have serious ambition. Invite them to the group, making them and your people more powerful.
>tfw no Cred Forums social group dedicated to self improvement
Owen Hughes
Yes, ideally I wouldn't have to care about whether or not the university likes me or not, but the fact of the matter is that Canada is a very, very dangerous place to be a reactionary. I know it's possible to go without an official club, but I would think it would be much more useful to have a PC 'front' that draws people in, and have a secondary, more secretive club which is male only, works out together, watches movies together etc.
Jaxon Lee
Liberals are naive. He just has to mask it well with nice fluffy words.
Perhaps in Canada, a group described as a continuation of boyscouts would be too much. It would fly in the states, but perhaps not in Leaf Land
Henry Jenkins
That's what I'm saying. With the Greek statue, we're dog whistling to any redpilled anons what we're really about, but I need plausible deniability to ensure that I don't get culturally enriched up the ass by administration.
Mason Gomez
shit I almost forgot Thucydides! His history is one of the most important books in the history of man.
also, what I was trying to say about the sophists is that you can't just study one side of the issue, you need to understand WHY the correct side is correct.
with that said, it may be useful (later on) to study the left's rhetoric, and refute it with the basis of Arete laid out and argued for. (but argue for Arete first, once it's established on "arguments of adamant and iron" it will be much easier to see why the left is wrong)
Jackson Richardson
Oh, another suggestion.
Might be a bit far fetched, but as confidence exercises, I'd recommend taking your guys out to some distant but populated area and having them try to get women's number via cold approach.
This isn't to build game or anything, but just to create blind confidence and get rid of anxiety.
An added benefit would be making reactionary men able to approach the women they want.
Nicholas Scott
You might find less resistance than you expect so long as you aren't making any ostentatious displays of wrongthink. A group discussing classical philosophy isn't abnormal on a campus and that's how you're presenting it.
Lucas Peterson
Yeah this is on point.
OP, I think you should present the group idea as something very simple, but add in everything else as "optional but heavily encouraged extra-curricular group activities"
Use the book club as a front, but turn it into a fraternity outside of school
I think even with having it as a book club, you can still host debates and speeches.
Caleb Lopez
Not a bad idea, but that would have to be a part of the 'unofficial' club culture along with the more traditional dressing, no women, movie nights, working out etc.
Henry Brooks
That's the idea. Currently there is no debate club on campus, or even a Toastmasters, so I'm going to be pulling a whole lot of my own personal interests together to make this thing work.
Justin Hughes
>you need to understand WHY the correct side is correct While I agree, I don't think spending very much time on the sophists is a worthwhile endeavour. There's a good reason the term carries its current definition.
Tyler Morgan
How are you as an individual, OP?
Are you a confident man with a good way about you? Do you think you can lead a group of men? That's another important thing about this.
In other words, if you look like the guy in the 'Cuck Hunt' shirt with the messed up teeth, don't expect to recruit the cream of the crop and if you do, don't expect to remain as leader.
Dylan Brooks
right, I wasn't trying to single out the Sophists for study, I was just using them as a catch all term for the sophists we have these days.
Xavier Johnson
>tfw no Cred Forums social group dedicated to self improvement That would truly be amazing.
Elijah Price
I have no illusions about my own manner, I am not perfect. I'm ~5'10, average to slightly above average weight, work out heavily 3 times a week, no drugs, no alcohol, no social media, raised conservative Christian, turned degenerate and liberal before Cred Forums, somewhat latently bisexual (though never acted upon it), honours student, scored top 1% in IQ when I was young (for whatever that's worth). Majoring in chemistry with a double minor in philosophy and business, I dance the tango in my spare time and don't watch TV. There's lots of things I can still improve on, but I'm on the path.
Brandon Rogers
What uni OP?
Jonathan Foster
Carl Schmitt - Political Theology or Constitutional Theory
Juan Donoso Cortes - Essay on liberalism, socialism and catholicism
And of course read basics like Aristotle's Politics
Landon Robinson
sounds like you're good.
Radiant confidence and make sure personal appearance is on point.
I recommend minoxidil 5% if you want to grow more facial hair and tanning to look more attractive.
I honestly think everything has been covered.
>males only >book club front >dress code >optional extra-curricular activities like film, exercise, speech, debates, and film night
Just work on fluffing up the description.
Landon Green
>Communication I dig that user. Post some of your favorite speeches for victory.
Christian Powell
Not doxing myself, but it's in the western provinces.
You have no idea. I plan to make connections with as many places as I can in my city, with Rotary Club, Toastmasters, Big Brothers Big Sisters, various private social clubs, etc., connections to businesses that will help our cause, helping anons get jobs in positions of power and influence.
We truly have become the Jew.
Julian Jenkins
>western provinces
ah ok was interested, Ontario here
Joshua Carter
Are you already into film or do you want a good list to get you started?
Robert Jones
Xenophon's Anabasis
Grayson Hall
throw some post-structuralism in there. It'll give you chance to study your enemy as well.
Disciple and Punish by Foucault >bodies
Oliver Clark
Clash of Civilizations Who are We?
both by Samuel P. Huntington
Angel Nguyen
Also as far as doxing yourself goes, the poster in OP maybe enough to give you away if someone on campus sees it and brings up you being an evil kkk nazi who browses Cred Forums
Dylan Bell
Much appreciated. I'm currently clean shaven, and I'll probably keep it that way for now. I have a (very) small wardrobe in line with my minimalist/Spartan attitude towards possessions, so I'll need to get a shirt or two and some dress pants to flesh it out.
Well you're more than welcome to start something similar where you are, what I've got so far is: Officially: > Meet 3-5 times a week, early in the morning to discuss history and moral philosophy > Host debates and occasional speakers
Unofficially > Males only > Workout/run/do boxing together > Semi-weekly movie screenings > Networking/connections to various organisations within the city > Conservative attire expected inside and outside the club > Mold Aryan heroes through confidence building and redpilling
Blake Williams
pic related is my fashion goal
clean cut, tailored, colorful, and radiates dominance.
I would definitely suggest that as leader, you should definitely focus the most on appearance.
Anthony Sullivan
That's a fairly remote possibility.. good thing Cred Forums is satire :^)
Michael Reed
Also, here's my film list.
x just means I watched it. There's probably the same one listed twice here and there.
I highly recommend Godfather, Se7en, Lawrence of Arabia, Blade Runner, Raging Bull, There will be Blood, No Country For Old Men, The Place Beyond the Pines, The Thing, Brazil, Paths of Glory, Akira, 1984, and Birdman
The others may be hit or miss for you and your club but that isn't to say they aren't good.
Also I think you should also take your group to cultural sites and museums every now and then to appreciate history and artwork.
Film is only one aspect of being cultured.
Daniel Watson
>Mold Aryan heroes through confidence building and redpilling That should be the motto of this proto-Hitlerjungen once it evolves into a RWDS
Too bad there are next to no red-pilled women who would want to be a part of this, I know someone who would be interested in doing a female version of this, she is a woman with the mind and morals of a gentleman.
However, do not turn this into a MGOW/Fedora club, the last thing we need is to mold good men who will not reproduce or feel liberated by saying "Fuck you" to women, the goal for woman it to take back this half of society (women), not rejecting it
Ryder Nelson
Thanks, I appreciate the list, and great idea to include museum/cultural sites.
Tbqh I'm terrified of what could happen to me if people start screaming that I'm racist/sexist/homophobic. We don't have free speech laws here in Canada. Hoping I don't wake up to the RCMP banging on my door :S
Dominic Hill
Gorilla Mindset by Mike Cernovich
The Father of Us All Carnage and Culture A War Like No Other (Read this along with Thucydides' History of the Peloponnesian War) Bonfire of the Humanities all of these are by Victor Davis Hanson
Jonathan Nguyen
I suppose that's one concern; I have deep apathy about wanting to reproduce. I would never advise someone NOT to reproduce, but I have had my own share of physical and mental defects that I don't want to pass on to the next generation, and can empathise with the antipathy of MGTOW towards women.
Carson Baker
>Tbqh I'm terrified of what could happen to me if people start screaming that I'm racist/sexist/homophobic. We don't have free speech laws here in Canada. Hoping I don't wake up to the RCMP banging on my door :S
I think your worst case scenario here will be your book club only ever being a book club. And even then, great men take many risks. Risk it.
I recommend getting friends together first with your ideas in mind to form the club instead of going at it by yourself and 'heavily encouraging' people to go to the museum or whatever and no one wanting to go. With a group of friends from the get go, you'll already have a group doing it with you and people will feel more inclined to join in.
Grayson Powell
The book club has already been approved by the Student's Association, it'll be another thing to get all the other aspects of this meme machine in motion.
David Parker
Atlas Shrugged was a meme.
The Fountainhead was the true redpilled book.
Nathaniel Collins
You had best get crackin'
Get buff, get nice clothes, visit a tailor to make them form fitting, and scout and try to recruit people along the way.
Samuel Richardson
All under progress already. The real problem is going to be how to redpill people subtly, and build up a fraternity around the book club.
Thomas Williams
Evil wins when apathy starts, but you must find a balance (actually, fucking everything must have a balance) >Too much "apathy" (MGWO tier): Genetically dead, you live an incomplete life as it's only real purpose is to procreate. >Balanced: you are an individual that shares his life with the one he loves if he found one, if not then you can still be a productive member of society who shows all aspects that are attractive to women without even trying t be attractive. >Too much interest in Women: Either a nu-male who wants to be loved or a chad with self-esteem issues.
That is what i believe, a life with someone else is amazing, but you should be your own person, you must have a life worthy of inviting someone in before even contemplating sharing it.
Jayden Hall
Very good idea, Leafanon. Beautiful poster, too.
My book suggestions;
>The Art of War >Fighting for the Essence >The Way of Men >Becoming a Barbarian >A Guide to Traditional Living (discuss this after a large part of the group has been thoroughly redpilled) >The Prince.
Jaxon Sanders
You'll have to be more careful than here in The States but even if they shut it down, you are doing and will have done more than most to defend civilization. You can always take pride in that. Remember, the pendulum is swinging back our way thanks to people like you. Never lose sight of your cause.
learn how to make talking points more open and not extreme so even they will ponder it and couple that with being an attractive charismatic man. People will listen to you.
Ie.
>We need guns because Obama will use the UN to take away our rights! 1776! vs >Imagine a 5'2" woman walking to her car after her late night college class is over and a suspicious figure starts trailing behind her... >How is an old man supposed to defend his wife from intruders when they hear a crash downstairs... >a man confined to a wheel chair..
Just learn to use points that they think about and mix it with yours. Don't talk to them as though you were talking to someone that already agreed with you like on Cred Forums.
Robert Bell
>The Way of Men
Top-tier book m8. It really changed my perception of how I see the world and how I should conduct myself.
While I'd heavily recommend it to OP and his club, it may be a bit too direct and may actually get him called out for being a homophobe/sexist.
Andrew Wilson
This is a good read too.
Sebastian Brown
ie: rhetoric. I listen to a lot of sales podcasts and public speaking podcasts for the express purpose of learning how to craft the presentation of ideas. I've learned that the vivid description of scenarios connected to an individual's values and fears is an extremely effective means to gain their acceptance. Removing resistance and gaining compliance are going to be fundamental to redpilling others.
That's the problem, I want to just start dropping redpills like they're hot, but I know that I need to be careful. It's tough to remember what other's perceptions are outside Cred Forums
Jackson Johnson
>I've learned that the vivid description of scenarios connected to an individual's values and fears is an extremely effective means to gain their acceptance
exactly that. I found myself restating Trump's points in the car post-debate trying to make them sound more appealing to the left.
Could you recommend any podcasts?
Also regarding your redpill problem.
Perhaps consider populating the group with friends, not advertising the group too much but meanwhile approaching people you think would make good additions to it.
Over time, you'd have a sizable group so that the tone and theme of this 'book club' will be set for any newcomers so they will either change themselves to fit in or simply not stay long.
Isaiah Ortiz
also I want to add your current poster is really great and you should maintain that theme when advertising (when you eventually do) being to use traditional sculpture, art, and concepts. This would hopefully get you like minded people so your redpills can be more immediate.
James Thomas
You can find audio books online, or consider buying physical copies of these ones (saves time on formatting etc). Don't fall entirely for the audiobook meme, a physical copy of a book, and taking physical notes, is still the best.
Tony Robbins: The Power to Influence Robert Cialdini: Influence
I worked as a salesman for awhile, so the company training I received was specifically focused on how to sell their product, in that environment. I'm currently trying to understand rhetoric/influence in general, and learn how to become better with people. It's an ongoing process, I don't imagine I'll ever stop learning.
Mason Hill
Thanks, senpai.
Good luck with your club. May Kek be with you.
Jason Carter
Any other ideas for similar themes? Greek sculpture is good, and Aryan women in wheat fields (kek), heraldic symbols etc.
Charles Green
I know you can't reveal your identity by naming the university, but any hints?
Liam Ramirez
RCMP pls.
Jeremiah Gray
This
Eli Perry
Quite the opposite, but the concern is understandable.