Hey

maybe realize that our tax code is fucked and everything he did is legal.

because he doesnt need to and you have no fucking clue how taxes work

More nimble shills who think our president should be a millionaire who apparently avoided paying federal taxes for two decades while others paid their country it's dues.

But, hey...
...maybe he can show that this just isn't true...
...maybe Trump...
...can release his taxes

>don't abuse the system

What is the charitable Clinton Foundation with 95% administration cost overhead?

>H-he doesn't need to pay his taxes!
>But he sure is a totally not corrupt candidate
Wow!

because....
...he doesn't...
...have to....!....
......
......would.... you.......
pay........
.....
.........
....taxes....
....you didn't have to.........
pay?....

HMMMMMMMMMM

>Hillary proves Trump avoids paying Federal income tax
>Thinks this will cost him support when his entire base wants to abolish Federal income tax

wew lad

that doesn't appear to be an argument at all.

now point to the place in his taxes where he did something illegal.

now who would I rather elect, someone who knows the bullshit tax code or some retard whos brain is turning into swiss cheese?

They're not wrong

Using the tax code to your benefit is not corruption.

>implying his base will win him the election
>implying he doesn't need to convince independent voters who no doubt consider avoiding taxes a moral and ethical failure.

You completely missed his point. The tax dodge that Trump is using was signed into law by Bill Clinton in the 90s as a way to help his rich friends avoid paying taxes.

HMMMMMMMMM

Well, when you have a billion dollar loss and able to offset that to future income and reduce your tax liability, you would be an absolute fool to not do so.

It's a strategy is done by EVERY business and entrepreneur. Its tax accounting 101.

This is all hypothetical with 'could have' being thrown around like its a certainty. Until he formally releases his tax returns, we'll never know.

He doesn't owe any taxes. How could he dodge something that he didn't owe?

Bill made it possible to dodge taxes like that.
A smart businessman keeps his money. A corrupt politician gives them these loopholes. It also helps to keep the political class above all others.

Can one of you retards explain how using capital losses to offset capital gains is dodging taxes? Because that is really retarded. That is like saying that you should pay tax on all your gains from selling stocks at a gain but can't deduct the ones sold at a loss. The tax system has always operated on a net basis.

>nimble shills
Nigger, this is Cred Forums
I do it for free

Do you mean why didn't he break the law on corporate malfeasance by deliberately paying more tax than was owed?

umm, the worst week in presidential campaign history would be when McGovern's VP finally mentioned his history of electroshock therapy.

Well if they consider avoiding taxes a moral and ethical failure then they should follow their consciences and vote against the candidate whose husband created the tax loophole exploited by Trump in the first place.

This doesn't appear to be an argument at all.

Now tell me where independent voters want to elect someone who hasn't paid taxes I'm 20 years despite benefitting from the state.

Liberal independents and moderate independents will see this as someone rigging the system.
Conservative independents will see him as a billionaire welfare queen.
He's done. Have fun deluding yourself until the day after election day, when you can't any longer ;3

*in 20 years

I too claim legal deductions on my taxes, CTR.
Have you not paid them before?

>being smart and using the legal system for your advantage to further your career is apparently a bad trait that a leader shouldn't have
Why are Americans so afriad of charismatic populists nowadays? Do they seriously want a snake who pretends to be "thoughtful" and "serious"?

>someone who hasn't paid taxes I'm 20 years
You don't know that, also you can't use capital losses to offset business income, retard.
>Rigged system
How is it rigged? Or are you just pretending to be retarded?

Of course I have.
Have you claimed enough deductions on yours in order to avoid paying any taxes for 20 years?

If you report a billion dollars in losses how much tax should you pay?

>You don't know that
Sure looks like it
>also you can't use capital losses to offset business income
Irrelevant
>how is it rigged
It's rigged because he cheated and you suck lol rekt

If you recoup those losses in later years its stands to reason you should pay some tax.
So either he should or he's lying about how much he's worth.

its literally the most american thing you can possibly do is avoid pying taxes. thats how the fucking country was founded.

>crying because Trump didn't break any laws whatsoever and only shafted the gov't, making him an even bigger hero in our eyes
Sad!

>dat appeal to tea party rhetoric
wew

good point

>lose $30 million on an investment in 2015
>make $10 million on same investment in 2016
>liberals think a person should be taxed as if they made a $10 million profit, even though they're still $20 million in the hole

Herp. I thought liberals were supposed to be intelligent.

The problem is most people can't wrap their heads around the concept of capital gains and that you are only taxed on *gains* (i.e. profit, money made), not the principal. For the average person the majority of their money comes from income which is earned and taxed completely differently.

But he's right, elite mental gymnast. If the government is so incompetent that it can allow something like this to happen legally, they deserve to get burned. It's proof they are looking out only for the rich and the ultra-poor. Don't forget this is because of Bill. Stop being mad that he's playing the media like a fiddle once again.

>If the government is so incompetent that it can allow something like this to happen legally, they deserve to get burned.
That isn't what matters, what matters is the perception of the public. And most people consider billionaires not paying taxes to be pretty fucked up, regardless of legality, code or what have you. Most people also don't buy into the notion that our government is as tyrannical as British rule before the revolution, so that metaphor also falls flat.

Also, when I say
>what matters is the perception of the public.
I say that in respect to Trumps chances of winning the election--they won't vote for someone they can't trust.

>Now tell me where independent voters want to elect someone who hasn't paid taxes I'm 20 years despite benefitting from the state.
mobile.twitter.com/FoxNews/status/782649685286629376

>that appeal to popular opinion
lmao, if something is true you shouldn't pretend like the opposite is true because "muh perception". Correct the record like someone who actually gives a shit.

>Fox News poll
>independent
fucking lol

see

He lost money. There were no profits/gains to pay taxes on.

Please tell me how you expect taxes to be collected on gains that don't exist?

>most people
Oh Christ you libfags are sad. You should try leaving your little city center college circle jerks and see what the rest of the country is like some time.

what is this fucking dog I want to kill it so bad

Try leaving this board for a change and maybe you'll realize irony of you making that post.

Because he took a loss in the 1990's and the tax code (which Hillary's husband could have done something about) allowed him to. Have you ever paid more taxes than you had to?

He did pay his taxes. If he didn't he would be in fucking jail because the IRS has audited his shit many many times

Writing off a loss is not dodging taxes. It's not "exploting a loophole". It's literally not paying taxes because you didn't make any god damned money

Yes, because I'm an honest man.

...

>It's literally not paying taxes because you didn't make any god damned money
Guess he's not worth as much as he says he is.

Wtf I love Trump now

>Yes, because I'm an idiot.

ftfy

I don't know, you'd have to be pretty fucking stupid to vote for someone who doesn't pay his taxes

But he paid his taxes. If the law stated that his tax liability was $0 for those years due to losses carried over from previous years, he paid exactly what he owed (nothing).

>B-b-b-but h-he did paid his taxes!
>He paid $0! Yeah!
You can't say you paid something you don't pay anything, you dunderhead :3

Keep moving those goalposts you idiot.

What is there to piss people off when he did nothing wrong?

He had no capital gains, only losses. Please tell me how he was supposed to pay taxes on gains that did not exist.

I didn't pay any capital gains on my taxes last year. Does that mean that I didn't pay my taxes? Not necessarily, if I didn't have any gains from investments, it means there was *nothing to tax.*

It's basically like saying someone who had no job and no income is a tax dodger because they paid nothing. I know you're trolling, but just stop and think about how stupid what you're saying is. At least step the trolling up a bit.

>What is there to piss people off when he did nothing wrong?
That's a matter of perspective.

I feel like I don't give the government enough of money, how do I give them more than I am required to?

>"I-I KNOCK YOUR TROLLING"
>takes 10 minutes to make a reply comprising three paragraphs
>s-step it up

You're just salty because this is going to cost Trump the election and there's nothing you can do or say to change it :3c

>It's basically like saying someone who had no job and no income is a tax dodger because they paid nothing.
Looks like he isn't worth as much as what he says he is, then

Hmm, looks like I won this argument

It's 12% overhead. 6% is grants to other charities and the remaining 82% is spending on direct charitable programs performed by the foundation such as fighting AIDS in Africa.

charitywatch.org/ratings-and-metrics/bill-hillary-chelsea-clinton-foundation/478

Let's say you are a doctor, and your medical practice is organized as a partnership, with you as a partner. As a partner in the partnership, your share of all of the income and losses of the medical practice are reported and taxed on your personal return. Rather than the business being a traditional corporation, it is a pass through entity, basically meaning all of the economic activity is taxed at the individual owner's levels. Most LLC's and small businesses are pass through entities. In fact, the vast majority of businesses in the United States are pass through entities. Basically, the vast majority of businesses that are privately owned, as opposed to publicly traded on a stock exchange, usually are better off as being a pass through entity.

In 1995, Trump reported almost a $1 billion in losses from pass through entities, that he owns an interest in. That loss reflects his share of the economic activity of the businesses he owns. If this were income, it would be taxed on his personal tax return. Not only can those losses offset other, unrelated income, it can even offset income in other years. In 1995, those losses could be carried back to offset income in the prior two years, and carried forward to offset income in the subsequent fifteen years. (Now, NOL's can be carried forward twenty years.)

Net operating losses actually make a lot of sense in theory. If you're a doctor, and your medical practice makes $1 million in 2010, 2011, and 2013, but lost $1 million in 2012, is it really fair that you have to pay taxes on $3 million when over the four year span your medical practice made $2 million in income, just based off of the calendar cutoff? Net operating losses smooth out the taxation of economic activity, although this is an NOL on steroids.

Wow, you'd have to be a pretty fucked up person to take advantage of something like that for 15 years like Trump (assuming he's worth as much as he says he is).

why dont you idiots think of new memes for yourselves instead of just copying?

tl;dr

And is this supposed to trigger me? I'm not even a big Trump fan, pretty indifferent to him, but this tax stuff is nonsense and is already being blown way out of proportion.

>doesn't refuse any of the points

k

>And is this supposed to trigger me?
and yet you still posted

the fact you actually went to check that pretty much proves you work for fucking CTR

Fuck off, pal. I deal with this every day as a tax accountant. He literally did nothing wrong.

am I a fucked up person if I just straight up admit... I don't care if he didn't pay his taxes. it doesn't affect my opinion of him or his integrity, his ability to lead, his love for his country, etc. I do not care. MAGA

There was nothing to refuse cause your points sucked ass ;3

>charitywatch

It's an oft-repeated and easily debunked lie. I already knew where to cite since it was in an article I read and I try to do my research.

He did everything wrong, you shill.

You should be ashamed of yourself you pig.

It's an independent charity watchdog. Why you >ing?

lol k

Because he doesn't have to thanks to a loophole signed into effect by Bill Clinton during his term as POTUS.

Trump's ability to work the system is indicative of how capable he is. Also the founding fathers said fuck taxes, so fuck taxes.

>you'd have to be fucked up to not toss your earnings into a burning pit

Because morons are spreading misinformation.

There are plenty of legit things to shit on Trump for, but this isn't one of them. He did literally nothing wrong by not being taxed for profit that didn't exist. Not all rich people are evil, grow up.

If you think giving your money to America is throwing it into a burning pit, are you calling this nation an inferno? An inferno at least 20 years old?
That's not very patriotic.

Because morons are spreading misinformation.
OH THE IRONY!!

Because he's a cuck and a faggot

It's a slush fund for Saudis.

Tell me what he did wrong. Any business owner can do this. It's been the law for decades.

>Wrong and right are dependent on legal code
Spoken like a true statist.

He was taxed because he's a shit businessman. He incurred the losses from poor management of his casino's, airline, and hotel.
>Trump has a good tax plan
>Trump is a good businessman

>47 chromosomes by this ID

Because of laws Bill Clinton passed which means he doesn't have to.

you'd know all about cucks and fags

>statist

Spoken like an autistic libertarian.

The rules for an NOL are pretty clear: you can "carry back" the loss two years and deduct it against your income two years ago, and then whatever is left will carry forward up to 20 years, to be deducted against future income until it is all used up. You can also elect to just carry it forward so you don't have to amend any past returns.

There are some limits, and you need to have "skin in the game" (basis) to take a loss from your business, but it's really quite straightforward and commonplace. I don't know anything about this situation, or the business, or his NOL, etc, but it's really quite banal and a nonissue. My opinion is that billionaires have extremely complex financial situations, and eventually they all have bad years.

Shut the fuck up you canadian twink faggot

>Spoken like an autistic libertarian.
lol I'm a fucking absurdist, you loon. Thanks for the two paragraphs, though, but I'm not reading that shit.

He can't be too off base if these same people he allegedly needs to get in touch with voted Obama into office twice lmao

>lose close to a billion dollars
>smart business guy

LOL

that's right bitch, I called your cucked fat ass out.

>not realizing how volatile real estate is

>>not realizing how volatile real estate is

not realizing how much a billion dollars is

No you didn't canadian faggot. Go drink your bagged milk you cuck

Because he's not a retard that throws his money away if he doesn't have to.

Because he's a smart fucking businessman and that kind of thinking is what's going to save this country.

>being anti-trump when the other option is globalism and nwo

your opinion is irrelevant

Because he doesn't have to.

>being anti-hillary when your other option is a fucking loser worshipped by toothless trailer trash and reclusive wannabe rebels.
no u

He payed exactly what he owed according to the law.

> building his/her worldview on fear of nwo

so is yours

>loser

Yeah, multi-billionaires are such losers. Kys

He has to pay his taxes. Stop defending the child

Why would you pay taxes if you could legally get away with not paying taxes? Maybe you should be upset about tax law.

no tax
no blacks

>the value of a person is money
Bernie Madoff was such a great person

> smart fucking businessman
> who's managed to lose a billion dollars

kek

He did pay his taxes. Take a fucking tax course. You'll learn about NOLs within the first two weeks.

>mfw normies don't give a fuck about the irs

But he's a retard for incurring that debt in the first place.
You can't defend this. If you do, you're a dick sucking faggot because it's true and he's a shit businessman

globalist cucks are pathetic

Hey...
...why won't you...
...not write like a retard?

> globalist cucks are pathetic

poster's persuasive skills like a five year old's

>issued no denial
>therefore it must be true

Or they could not be bothered talking to you.

I love how HillShills have absolutely no fucking clue how tax laws work. I also love how HillShills try to pin completely legal accounting practices on Donald as if they're a bad thing while completely ignoring that Hillary Clinton broke the Espionage Act literally hundreds of times.

Trump was even one of those friends!

There's a difference between tax evasion and taking advantage of tax loopholes. You should know kike

The fucktard managed to lose a billion dollars. A loss he is still recovering from, as his tax papers prove. That's what he doesn't want to talk to you about. It shreds any pretense of "clever businessman" to shreds. He's a failed businessman doing his best to put on airs.

Whether he's rigged his account to evade taxes, while repeatedly accusing others of not paying theirs, is just a side point.

>implying an irrelevant faggot like you is worth persuading

I still stand by my statement.

so?

they're honestly too retarded to argue with. It's ridiculous

>wants to deport mexicans for not paying taxes
>doesn't even pay taxes himself

because he doesn't need to, it's a case in point of how fucked the system is

if was dodging taxes illegally then the IRS would fuck him over, but they aren't

it's classic misdirection, the real question you should ask is why don't he need to pay taxes

>why did a business man use a legal way to avoid taxes

>made billions
>failed businessman
the only fucktard here is you and the other globalist faggots. leave now and never come back.

>wants to deport illegal mexicans for illegally not paying taxes
>found a way to not pay taxes legally

REALLY MAKES YOU THINK

>that bill Clinton made
If Trump took advantage of Bill then he can surely take advantage of Hillary.

>The fucktard managed to lose a billion dollars.
And he also managed to make many more than he lost.

>what is law
>what is order

One is legal.
The other is not.

> made billions

So, tell me, what information has duped you into believing this? Not the info on his tax papers at least.

Charity watch also lists MAD as reputable when I've done work for them and can definitely say they are cooking the books along with American Cancer Society (or whatever the fuck the name is) local chapters near me

It's perfectly consistent. He doesn't want his tax dollars going to a welfare state that sustains huge numbers of illegal immigrants so he pays as little as possible.

Instead, he employs thousands of Americans directly in a profitable, productive way.

he's a fucking moron, probably from reddit too. don't bother with him

Why would he?

If you had a choice of not paying taxes, would you pay them?

> dodging the question

Nice dodge

Skyscrapers aren't cheap, neither is the land they sit on.

Use your head, buddy.

>fight AIDS in Africa
>everyone in Africa still has AIDS

Sure sounds like they are stealing money

> property costs money

You probably never borrowed to buy an apartment, or you would understand how these things work.

>sell condoms
>stds still exist
What the fuck, Trojan!

Hasn't like basically every us president been a millionaire

Not all of them avoided all of their federal income tx

ITT:

CTR: The Thread

kek
they are like Don Quixote

He's absolutely smarter than us.

It's not a loophole because you're not exploiting the vagueness of a law. People really need to learn how to use the term "loophole". What Trump did is perfectly legal and is used by hundreds of other businesses every year. What fucking retard will pay taxes when your financials are in the red? I swear liberals are so fucking retarded, if they love paying taxes so much, they should just give the government their whole fucking paycheck.

>implying it wasn't the most stupid question of the thread
>replying instantly
I know you're a butthurt reddit faggot, just admit it

> dodging again

Still waiting for the answer.
Otherwise I'm just gonna assume you don't see the difference between being overleveraged as fuck and actually having made billions.

...

>it's ok to be a piece of shit as long as you do it by the books

You got a real candidate there, don't you?

>creates jobs

>helps gentrify poor areas

>pays millions into charity every year

>paid hundreds of millions of dollars in property taxes
>sales and excise taxes
>real estate taxes
>city taxes, state taxes
>employee taxes
>federal taxes

sounds like someone needs to think a bit harder, google.

>Income taxes are the only taxes people pay

Go suck a gun off

Go ahead, the butthurt thread retard assuming things about an anonymous based on avoiding his idiotic questions is amusing.
>mfw the cuck thinks his opinion is relevant

>its ok to be a piece of shit, and break enough federal laws to put you in prison for 100 years, as long as you get away with it

You got a real good candidate there, don't you?

And you are posting... for free???!

At least we have a better sense of business than you do. :P

Why don't you pay more then required, user? You can write a check to the IRS any time. We will be waiting...

> makes clear he doesn't/cannot answer

I knew it. I win, you lose. :D

She only gets my vote by default. You're delusional if you think Trump has even the slightest pedigree to be in the oval office.

If it's one thing I've learn from this, there are too many anons who have never filed taxes or owned a business yet have the audacity to talk about who is being a drain on society.

If you think supporting Trump makes you a good businessman, you don't, since his platform will only benefit the super rich (which you're not because you're posting on Cred Forums right now).

;3c

Is this dog pic CTR's sorry excuse for a counter pepe meme?

Ya, better vote for clinton. god you people are stupid.

You're delusional if you think Hillary, someone who has consistently fucked up as Secretary of State, is suitable to be the POTUS. Remind me again who was President when this whole Trump tax thing started? Hmm...who might have been President in 1995?

Oh right, Bill Clinton.

I haven't kept up either. It's not like his taxes have anything to do with national security (amirite CTR)

Except he's criticized for underpaying his employees and in some instances not even paying them at all.

There are plenty of capitalists that have created exponentially more jobs than trump without being as big a piece of shit as he is. Compared to the real wealthy, Trump is chump change.

I do not. I'm just making of these tireless wacko vigilants who see CTR under every bush.

Well there are people with nearly 250K in debt in this country. Imagine if those people were given being a boss for a month.

that sounds like something a CTR shill would say :3

Hilary didn't pay me...

Where did I say I wasn't one?

Australian Cunt

OWO
...kik?

>one tax record an they're already spinning it this hard.

They didn't even need the tax record for the speculation they're making. They could just read Trump's books.

These threads are getting tiring very fast because it's literally the same shit.

>Drumpf BTFO!
>He's actually in the right and it's the governments fault he doesn't have taxes to pay
>NUH-UH!

Every fucking time.

It'll get better man, i promise........Hang in there

The website blowing up about that Martin dude expressing interest in buying the site is fucking annoying too.

> OwO

Get away from me, weaboo

>he is a piece of shit

but that's subjective, there are plenty of people who dont believe that he is a piece of shit.

Why do you label your own opinions as facts? Dont you understand that is what is causing popular support for him? Your response to an intellectual argument here is

>Trump is a piece of shit

your reddit is showing

Find me a person who likes paying taxes and wouldn't avoid it if they could and I'll show you a liar. The simple fact of the matter is that the only reason wagecucks don't have offshore bank accounts and don't try to avoid paying tax is because they don't have the time, they're too busy working to support their wife's kids and too busy paying their taxes to support Abdul and his 30 children to 6 different wives.

Prove me wrong.

You can't.

These threads are getting tiring very fast because it's literally the same shit.

>Trump should be honest about his taxes because independent voters aren't going to support a candidate that seems untrustworthy, and also Nixon released his taxes under audit
>"HE'S UNDER AUDIT! HE'S A GREAT BUSINESS MAN! SHILL!! MUH HILLARY! MUH MEDICAL RECORDS! MUH...MUH...MUHMUHMUHMUHMUHMUHMUHMUHMUHMUH" *trump shill pisses pants and cries*
>Every fucking time.

I don't like anime uwu

Hey...
...why won't you...
...ascend past this Trump hate?

So because one candidate is a bit boisterous, you'll instead vote for the candidate that has destroyed multiple countries?

>took a colossal amount of Haiti relief and rebuilding money for herself
>fucked around in the Middle East
>enforces pay-to-play politics in the US which is a large part of what is destroying your shitty country

Holy fuck this.

Most of the shit the MSM complains about is blatantly said in his fucking books and they even goes into detail how he solved it/got out of it.

He could have just said he exaggerated it in his book under poetic license, or that his editor got the facts wrong.
Now he can't do shit.

Because he's smart.
Smarter that you tax paying faggots.

Rude

>not paying those taxes in decades because legislation allows it
>"Why won't he pay his taxes?"

Apparently, he didn't have to, seeing as how he's not in prison. Got a real story?

>got a real story?
How about, "Trump loses election for being a billionaire welfare queen"?

Yeah, and those people are pieces of shit. They're unknowingly racist bigots covering themselves as "not politically correct". Whining about the trials and tribulations of having white skin so they can dismiss minority issues.

If you think shills are the more obnoxious bunch in this election you should reevaluate your life. I've never seen a bigger cancer than trump fags in my life.

Because he's smart.

boop

>an actual ctr

A bit boisterous? Lmao

Yeah, having 30 years in politics will put you in the spotlight for every bad thing the goverment has done.

Comparing her to what

>racist bigot
>contradicts himself every time he speaks
>exploits his country to skip taxes so he can have a yacht
>literally 0 experience in government
>has threatened numerous foreign leaders
>has had everything handed to him

HMMMMMMM

I don't like hillary, but i would rather have an asshole boss than a fucking retard overseeing me

mrow

>he isn't worth what he says he is

And no one gives a shit except triggered idiots like yourself

>racist bigot
>has had everything handed to him
>HMMMMMMM
>Lmao
>I don't like hillary, but i would rather have an asshole boss than a fucking retard overseeing me

Hi ctr. I see you're also a female. Fuck off, Trump is winning, despite your constant pathetic shilling.

How could I be triggered knowing that Trump just lost the election UwU

Listen I know this is a CTR thread but still.

Taking full advantage of the loopholes Bill Clinton signed into law isn't immoral, it's just business. He put those loopholes in there on purpose so you could basically pay no taxes if you aren't a total nigger and decide to puss out and use the 1040EZ.

If you use the 1040EZ, thank you for funding all the worthless bullshit the Federal Government spends its money on. Know that you're subsidizing ghettoes full of undesirable Bernie-hating untermenchen, and also you're subsidizing me, we sharecrop corn and bean land out to local farmers.

On the other hand, despite having very large assets and great incomes, as well as a good cash position, the complicated tax code allows for us to use all sorts of tricks and we barely ever even pay ANY Federal taxes. State taxes are a bit harder to reduce to zero, but thankfully the Jews have been at work on this state's tax code and it is increasingly riddled with loopholes as well.

So essentially, any publication that claims Trump is literally committing the crime of 'evading taxes' or 'avoiding taxes' will probably have the SHIT sued out of them, Hogan-style, whether he wins of loses. Trump will literally own the entire US media establishment in two years, win or lose, because of the constant and highly actionable slander they commit daily.

It's gonna be anuddah shoah kids.

Also Trump's donation from his own charity was quite legal and was accepted by the plaintiffs in the suits.

If you want to see something weird look at how Hillary was selling state secrets and favors for cash with the Clinton Fòundation. Or wait until Wednesday when this data will all be released along with video of her repeatedly calling blacks niggers.

>trump is winning

Oh, user...

>Will Trump ever recover from being called a racist?

>Will Trump ever recover from being insulted by Megyn Kelly?

>Will Trump ever recover from the Khan dispute?

>Will Trump ever recover from Cruz failing to endorse him?

ITT: increasingly nervous man.

>that's called business

Although I have known that there are tax laws that people can take advantage of,
this whole saga does make me think.
It is true that Trump is "smart",
but I don't think anyone would say that the intention of the tax law is to create a system in which smart people can "solve" this in a way they pay no taxes,
and it is an achievement to be celebrated.
If the tax law is intended to be such, I was not aware I informed and consulted as a voter.
If this is not the intent of the tax law, then something is seriously wrong and it is quite obvious that neither Trump nor Hillary are interested in rectifying that.
It is clear that the public is played once again, accepting the unacceptable because of the false dichotomy created by the press.

hey...
why won't hillary?

i-its just a (((COINCIDENCE)))

You should look at who made those tax laws. It might explain why Clinton is absolutely not going to close these loopholes, and make this whole pearl-clutching circlejerk seem like an even bigger, sicker joke at the public's expense.

I'll save you the trouble: it was Bill.

>Khan dispute
topkek almost forgot about those gold star sand niggers

>So essentially, any publication that claims Trump is literally committing the crime of 'evading taxes' or 'avoiding taxes' will probably have the SHIT sued out of them, Hogan-style, whether he wins of loses.
A) No publications said he committed a crime
B) Trump did avoid his taxes. Also Trump would be laughed out of court for suing a company
C) Just because you can use loopholes doesn't mean you should--it's the mark of someone trying to cheat their way out of paying the country it's dues. It's the mark of a cheapskate, not a leader.

What is tax avoidance for 400?

You mean the ones he doesn't owe? Socialists, amirite.

>Also Trump would be laughed out of court for suing a company
(cont) that did make such a claim.

>we owe the state

If the IRS tax code requires you to pay $5, do you give them $15?

>Trump pays exactly what taxes he owes according to the accounting laws that the IRS plays by
>"he dodged taxes!"

>meanwhile, Clinton uses a """charity""" that conducts no charity as a money laundering scheme and evades paying taxes on the crony pay-and-play bribery she and her husband rake in from bankers and foreign countries

Don is a sleazebag
Hillary is a criminal, a mobster, a traitor and a fucking sociopath

Well yeah, exactly. No matter how hard the media and the shills try to make their anti-Trump "scandals" stick, the truth is that people just don't care. They're the only ones talking about these things.

The media is conspicuously failing to talk about the Clinton Foundation, her health or the emails, but the people still are.

The media are no longer reflecting the interests or the will of the people.

Alex Jones and Fox News aren't "the people."

Wait isn't he? oh shit did CNN say he wasn't or somehting? did they over-sample democrats by 20% for the 100th time again?

Ya, you're a fucking idiot, which is why you have to shill for Hillary since you've got nothing else to do

I don't really understand why people are complaining that he didn't pay more tax than he was legally required to.

It's not like he was running some convoluted, semi-fraudulent scheme in order to get around some arcane loophole in the tax code.

He lost close to a billion dollars in shitty investments and was legally allowed to use that enormous loss to write off any tax on profits for the next 15/20 years. It's not like he wrote those laws or manufactured artificial losses; he genuinely lost a ton of money at the time.

The most you can say is that it's proof that he isn't the brilliant businessman he says he is; that he blew a shit ton of his inherited wealth making awful investment decisions.

>oh shit did CNN say he wasn't or somehting?
They and every scientific poll.

NOL carryover, lrn2taxreturn. Thats real estate baby. He's still paying property taxes, just not on his income if he has a NOL carryover.

>dodged his taxes

How the he'll do you figure? He had some badass accountants and legally maneuvered himself so he wouldn't have to pay. That's not "dodging".

Protip: the IRS is fucking savage. They will take every penny they think they are owed or they will shove your ass in prison. If Trump had committed a crime in doing this, there would be no more Trump campaign, he'd be bound for prison.

It's not like it's hard; I managed to do the same when I ran my own business. Completely legal, and paid zero to the IRS. All I did was have a buddy who lists an accountant - just a friend, kind of a stupid guy even, not some high powered Super accountant - go through my shit for me. No fuss, no muss, no audit, no taxes.

Aside from the given liberal cry of "well he's bad because I say he's bad", there's nothing wrong going on here.

He paid exactly what was due: nothing.

You have a problem with it? Reform tax law. Guess who's the only candidate running on that platform?

There should be nothing more important for the people than a fair tax code

Thanks for Correcting the Record!

I suggest you take a glance outside your echo chamber.
When Shillary literally shat her pants on 9/11, the media had a very clear blanket radio silence for a few hours (obviously until they could get their lines from her campaign), but Twitter etc. were ablaze with the news.

Financial experts agree that Trumps reform measures would only benefit the super rich. That's not good reform.

>dodged taxes

Using tax laws that exist isn't "dodging", it's "complying". Hillary's husband signed most of the laws that Trump and everyone else is taking advantage of.

Has Trump ever done anything illegal to avoid taxes? No. Hillary on the other hand runs an entire money laundering foundation.

what taxes does he owe?

>I suggest you take a glance outside your echo chamber.
>If you DID, you would have seen how many people were saying unfounded shit in my alt-right echo chamber on Twitter
top kek

What was he going to do in 1995? March into Washington and demand that they force him to pay them money that he didn't have?
If the fairness of the tax code bothers you, then it's Bill Clinton that you need to go after - he's the one who created these tax laws.

>What was he going to do in 1995? March into Washington and demand that they force him to pay them money that he didn't have?
That would have been presidential.
Instead he proved himself a sleaze.

Jesus, if you're going to post on Cred Forums can you at least stop using that emote? If anyone had doubts about you being a faggot, it died as soon as you used it.

>unfounded shit

You're right, she's perfectly healthy, couldn't be better!
I mean she has allergies.
I mean pneumonia.
I mean allergies again.
No wait, Bill says it's the flu.
Wait, forget all of that, she's perfectly healthy and she was never sick.

:^)

>No publications said he committed a crime
You sure about that? Many have used the phrase "tax evasion" which is literally a crime.

Same as the rape charges, the Jews making the headlines aren't as clever as the Jew lawyers working for Trump.

>Trump did avoid his taxes.
That's actionable language and if you were a blogger writing for the NYT or CNN you could be sued.

The non-actionable way of saying what you meant is, "Trump didn't pay taxes." They don't teach "journalists" or Jews this any more so that's why you'd get fucked in court like Gawker.

>Just because you can use loopholes doesn't mean you should
Yes, they were included precisely to be used. Anyway carried losses aren't exactly a loophole, which is (in the legal jargon) a technicality allowed by an oversight in the law. He is taking advantage of a specific provision that was openly put into the tax code by Bill Clinton.

>it's the mark of someone trying to cheat their way out of paying the country it's dues.
He, like all intelligent people, pay as little as legally possible in taxes because the money is wasted.

>It's the mark of a cheapskate, not a leader.
It's smart, just like Trump.

Does it upset you, yeah uWu

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>The media is conspicuously failing to talk about the Clinton Foundation, her health or the emails, but the people still are.
>The media are no longer reflecting the interests or the will of the people.
This, they can stop talking on CNN but they can't shut off Twitter and Facebook. They can fail to show the size disparity of the crowds at Trump and Hillary rallies, but people take phone cam pix and share them.

The Potemkin village is finally about to fall over.

God damn it copypasta was hoping for a better thread

Once again we are forced to choose the lesser evil
For the longest time I believed Clinton is worse,
but with this tax issue I am not so sure any more

no they don't

>arguing with an idiot shill

come on man...

So Warren Buffett is the shitiest businessman that ever lived then?

>For the longest time I believed Clinton is worse,
shill tactics 101

fuck off and die you worthless cunt

I'm practicing for my normie party I am going to tonight.

I want to see what a properly indoctrinated, up to date bluepilled faggot normie would say about this topic, what kind of shit they would regurgitate from social media, (((journalists))), or the Hillary campaign, etc.

It's fun man

Assuming that you're not yet another poorly-trained shill, what would you have had him do in 1995 instead? He lost a billion dollars, he was staring into the abyss. It's not like he was raking in profits and only paying pennies on the dollar.

Just watch out for the liberal emotional pleading.
You can't really call people clueless effeminate soft cunts at a party like you can here.

>lierally all but 2 polls

Oh, user...

>now point to the place in his taxes where he did something illegal.

I would, but he won't release them.

I know, this is why I need to come up with subtly ironic wet-cunted emotional appeals for Trump.

I have no problem with people voting Trump
I am just predicting that we will get the same oligarchy in place and nothing will change
For the record I will never vote for Hillary myself because of the Libya debacle
I do not appreciate the use of my funds to bomb the most well-run country in Africa and put blood on my hands
Maybe I should come back after the elections after the paid shills are gone

thefiscaltimes.com/2016/05/17/Experts-Weigh-Donald-Trump-s-Tax-Plan-and-Find-It-Wanting

“This is pie-in-the-sky nonsense,” said William G. Gale, the Arjay and Frances Miller Chair in Federal Economic Policy at the Brookings institution and the co-director of the Tax Policy Center. Gale also served on the Council of Economic Advisers under President George H. W. Bush.

“It would lose an enormous amount of revenue, cut taxes dramatically for the very richest households,” he said. “It would dramatically increase deficits. I don't see how even a Republican-controlled legislature would have the guts to pass this.”

Bipartisan Policy Center senior vice president G. William Hoagland expressed “concern that such a tax plan if enacted would further increase tension and unrest over income distribution issues while not specifically addressing lower income poverty issue.”

Hoagland, who spent more than three decades working in the Senate, including a stint as director of budget and appropriations in the office of then-Senate Majority Leader Bill Frist (R-TN), said implementation of the Trump plan “might result in growing social and economic unrest increasing dangerous economic polarization.”

>a bunch of kikes worried that their fellow tax attorneys would be completely out of work in one year
>oy vey it's annudah shoah!
yeah try again CTR

so he's worth more than what he claims?

>proven wrong
>"uh, th-they're kikes!"
Hands off the goal post, nimble shit.

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If what he was hiding wasn't as bad as the rumors purport, he would have released them. So his returns are at least as bad as people are guessing

>proven wrong
i wasn't proven wrong, his tax cuts will benefit all people in the USA

these economists like to go by the theoretical amount a rich person WOULD pay if they were retarded and not smart by trump anyway

basically no rich person pays taxes at this point

trump's plan would eliminate many of the loopholes which allow the rich to legally not pay taxes (thanks to bill clinton) and increase taxes on the wealthy as a practical consequence

that's why it's hard to take your kike economists seriously

Because Bill Clinton signed a law that allows him and all others like him to avoid having to pay certain taxes.

Trump will close tax loop holes like this so everyone has to pay taxes.

Right now you are asking why doesn't Trump donate his money to the tax office?
The answer is what is the point?
The law itself has to be changed so everyone plays by the same rules.

I have seen with my own eyes how business owners can write down all kinds of personal expenses
In my opinion this is not what the tax law intends, but there is essentially no chance the business owner will get into trouble as long as they hire the right accountants.
I see this as a rule of law issue because laws are not applied equally and fairly
For example, if I have a substantial loss in the stock market, I will not be able to pay zero tax the following year because there are limits to that.
Trump benefited from the system and I have a suspicion that he will not change what worked for him
I will be very surprised if he proves me wrong

>i wasn't proven wrong, his tax cuts will benefit all people in the USA

You said experts don't agree.
I posted an article showing they did.
You were wrong.
You also assume you know more about tax code than credentialed experts with decades of experience. That's laughable.

Jokes on you faggot, hillary was revealed to have used the exact same loophole

>You said experts don't agree.
They don't, a couple kike wonk shills don't constitute a body of experts.

>I posted an article showing they did.
Kike shills working for your suspicious kike funded think tanks aren't experts though, they're shills.

>You were wrong.
I was right, and you proved me right by linking to a bunch of blather from a bunch of kike shills from think tanks funded by kikes.

>You also assume you know more about tax code than credentialed experts with decades of experience. That's laughable.
Of course I know more than the kike shills you linked to, their job is to lie about Trump, not honestly assess the situation.

We already know the rich pay no taxes and yet the kike shills you link to say they do? Laughable user.

Trump's taxes are a huge radioactive morass for Hillary, you CTR shills (the ones who care, anyway, not the mercenaries of course) are going to be feeling ass pains over this for, oh, jeez, a month or so.

>Hey...
>...why won't Trump...
>...pay his taxes?
Because the law literally said he didn't have to.

>They don't, a couple kike wonk shills don't constitute a body of experts.
They're experts with years of experience and they're agreeing. You're arguing semantics, and poorly.

>Kike shills working for your suspicious kike funded think tanks aren't experts though, they're shills.
I hear inforwars has a sale on tin foil hats

>I was right, and you proved me right by linking to a bunch of blather from a bunch of kike shills from think tanks funded by kikes.
Delusion

>Of course I know more than the kike shills you linked to, their job is to lie about Trump, not honestly assess the situation.
This level of arrogance, that you'd know more than credentialed experts with real economic and government experience, shows you're unfit for real political discussion--you're opinions have no bearing on reality. This is why you need to post on Cred Forums to find people who agree with you.

> shill vision blinds Hillary from doing the exact same thing and selling out her opinions, but tax loopholes and Donald Trump together are somehow bad enough to change votes. Especially when Bill Clinton created them.

Really makes you think.

>shill vision blinds Hillary from doing the exact same thing
She did release her tax returns. Or were you trying to say something else and just don't understand how subject-verb agreement works.

I was going to say lurk more , but then this would take longer.
zerohedge.com/news/2016-10-02/clinton-campaign-admits-hillary-used-same-tax-avoidance-scheme-trump
Oy vey.

Why should he?

>to avoid paying some taxes in 2015.
is not
>avoid paying all federal taxes for 15.

>experts with years of experience
many kikes travel under this guise together, usually under the umbrella of (((prestigious))) kike-run institutions

Nice try CTR, your appeal to authority is not working today:

>Here user, believe these kikes who have, believe me, no partisan connections at all, oy vey!

Why did Hillary do the same thing.

>this fucking noided
do you go outside?

>implying clinton foundation is on her 1040

Show me the article that shows Hillary avoided paying all federal income taxes for 15 years.

Only an asshole would willingly give the government more money than absolutely required to stay out of jail. Don't you know what those faggots do with the money, asshole?

And I'm not even voting for Trump, I just hate raging asshole idiots that think it's a good thing to fund war criminals.

Hey...
...why won't Hillary...
...not commit high treason?

Hey...
...why won't our current government...
...do anything about it?

...

white, raised catholic

...

>Hey...
>...why won't Hillary...
>...not commit high treason?
Because the clinton foundation would be bankrupt.

>Hey...
>...why won't our current government...
>...do anything about it?
They are corrupt and on her payroll.

...

...

Hillary has only released year 2015 of her tax returns. Kek'd I have to hand it to you shills, Hillary does an amazing job proving how corrupted one candidate can be. Thanks for nominating her or else this would be a harder election.

>white, raised catholic
just like (((Dianne Feinstein)))

If Kek gives us a sign, you get tossed over the wall.

>Hillary has only released year 2015 of her tax returns
Wrong. Here's 2007 to 2015
hillaryclinton.com/page/tax-returns/

Implying they are legitimate.

What is with you Nimble shits and moving the goal post.

No one pays taxes when you can legally get out of it. This is what smart and rich people do.

boop

Look at page 17 of her past 3 yrs of tax returns. Jesus Christ are you now going to say that Hillary is going to fix the loopholes that uses?

>82% is spending on direct charitable programs performed by the foundation such as fighting AIDS in Africa.
... or rebuilding Haiti after that terrible earthquake.
Wait a moment.. The situation in Haiti didn't get any better?
With all the money they got from the clinton foundation? How could this possibly be?
>nationalreview.com/article/437883/hillarys-america-secret-history-democratic-party-dinesh-dsouza-clinton-foundation
hmmmmmm

>rich guy avoids paying taxes
>Dems still want to set up a tax system for rich people to pay into, knowing full well that rich people are extremely mobile and able to avoid paying taxes regardless.
I'm sure it was all a pretense anyway just to lump more taxes on the middle class.

Whelp, threads ending!
Thanks for the tears, everyone :3c