Attn Trannies:

>Passable
>Picture has the face missing

Not making a good case, other photo?

could he be passable tho

because ill kill myself one way or another so if I can feel happy for a few moments before the lights go out then its worth it.

>other photo?
Don't even know who that is t.bh

There are lots of other examples though

>Why does Cred Forums get so worked up about this topic anyways?

>didnt read the OP
>gave retarded opinion in anyway

get gassed shlomo

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All of that applies to "real" women too.

>low resolution
>specific angles
>specific lighting
>only facial features

get gassed kike, the number of "passables" is 1/1000

yeah but i actually see real women the morning after, or you know, in pools, or at teh beach or at the gym, or in a 1000 other places where they arnt doing that and they still look fine as fuck faggot

gas yourself kike

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No need for the quotes. If you've met a tranny IRL you can always tell they are a man. Women are vessels for life, trannies are emblems of moral and psychological death.

why is OP so mad at them? Trump supports their rights.

that aint pepe, that's cartman farting in a jew's face

Trump can choke on the widest part of a pre-op's dick

Not a tranny but I'm a researcher in a related field so I know a fair bit about them.

Points 1 and 2 are just "we hate you!" and don't really float outside of a right-wing bubble like Cred Forums. Current year and all that.

>3. The transition is irreversible, completely unnatural and wholly ineffective. It rarely produces sufficient results and in order to do achieve this, must being when the child is mentally incapable of knowing whether it is truly what they desire.

Whether it's effective or not depends entirely on what you're trying to achieve. It proves highly effective for many patients in terms of improving their quality of life. Suicide rate is still above that of the general population, largely due to the high comorbidity of gender dysphoria with other mental disorders. The point with children is a good one, although there are methods to distinguish children with gender dysphoria from children who are merely displaying gender-atypical behaviour.

> but the rate of progress is so fast that it fairly likely we will have a solution to your mental disorder within decades.

With what we know about gender dysphoria and what we know about the brain, the chances of a "cure" ever emerging is quite low, at least outside of technology too high-tech for most science fiction. Gender dysphoria appears to be a consequence of the entire brain's structure leaning towards that of the other sex. Literally the entire map of the brain would probably be wrong and would need rewriting from scratch.

> It will most likely come in the form of psychiatric medication that is administered on a continual basis to repress your disorder.

Again, highly unlikely given what we already know about dysphoria. It is very much a structural problem.

>This will render transitioning to an archaic medical procedure, akin to lobotomies as a cure for headaches.

As much as I would personally like to see this happen, I'm not sure people would even be willing to accept such a cure.

>Cred Forums wants to exterminate this

>suicide rate is still above that of the general population
well, there's some good news

>dat man-gut

(cont)

TLDR OP, it's silly to be so angry about this. They have a brain disorder which isn't just beyond our technology to fix, but might not even be possible to fix in theory. Any means of repairing it would involve basically rewriting their entire brain and personality from scratch.

It is far more likely that we will simply develop better surgical techniques and so on for transitioning. The idea of a cure "within decades" is especially unrealistic.

You can still tell.

No one cares about a cure. You will never be a woman. I will not be complicit in your lies.

>Whether it's effective or not depends entirely on what you're trying to achieve. It proves highly effective for many patients in terms of improving their quality of life. Suicide rate is still above that of the general population, largely due to the high comorbidity of gender dysphoria with other mental disorders. The point with children is a good one, although there are methods to distinguish children with gender dysphoria from children who are merely displaying gender-atypical behaviour.
In my experience trannies chase an idealized version of the opposite sex. Because they're usually abuse victims with self esteem issues.

I'd love to stab him with a mallet.

>lies

yet you believe God exists so pushing that lie is okay with you.

Absolutely. Look at that man face and hands.

>In my experience trannies chase an idealized version of the opposite sex. Because they're usually abuse victims with self esteem issues.

What you're describing is what we'd call an "autogynephile", a person who fetishises being a woman. This is often regarded as distinct from standard gender dysphoria.

But we've seen results with anti-psychotic drugs.

Nice refutation, enjoy dilating your wound

its hands, what the fuck
also
BUCKLE UP, BUCKAROOS

Trannies are the most histrionic people on earth. There is no special category of mentally healthy ones

reminder: this porn is b8 to entrap chans
Why are you posting an image of a minor pedo?

>It proves highly effective for many patients in terms of improving their quality of life.
so do lobotomies for headaches

>They have a brain disorder which isn't just beyond our technology to fix, but might not even be possible to fix in theory.
>muh broken spine
>muh impossible to fix due to it being structurally broken

cue stemcells rebuilding nerves in the spinal column and the cripple walking again... you CANNOT foresee where our current rate of medical advancement will take us. Research into neuroplasticity might provide breakthroughs in our life time that can fully cure transexuality.

there are far wackier things going on in the medical world, the idea of rewiring a persons brain is NOT far fetched at all.

>Points 1 and 2 are just "we hate you!" and don't really float outside of a right-wing bubble like Cred Forums. Current year and all that.

you are wrong, many people know that trannies are freaks, even children recognise that there is something innately disturbing and unsettling with trannies. we have just created a culture that deems expression of these feelings and opinions to be unacceptable, so we bottle them up inside to placate the freaks

Those studies (there are two of them) each followed a single patient who was diagnosed beforehand with schizophrenia and then began showing symptoms of gender dysphoria. Treating the schizophrenia made the gender dysphoria go away.

Either way, it would appear you need both for that to work.

>This is often regarded as distinct from standard gender dysphoria.
yet probably and ((((((conveniently)))))) difficult to distinguish from the mental disorder right?

>implying every tranny isn't schizoid

You can categorize it all you want but you can't change reality

Comparing the kind of surgeries undergone during a transition to a lobotomy is just ridiculous. They are essentially cosmetic.

> you CANNOT foresee where our current rate of medical advancement will take us. Research into neuroplasticity might provide breakthroughs in our life time that can fully cure transexuality.

I disagree, based on the research I've read. Even if we were to come up with some kind of plasticity drug, we'd then need to recreate the developmental processes which happen early in life (mostly when you are in the womb) whilst maintaining the personality/memories/etc of the presumably adult or late teen patient. Given that we've not even got a complete understanding of what all the parts of the brain do, I think rewriting the billions of neuronal connections it contains isn't going to happen during our lifetimes.

>you are wrong, many people know that trannies are freaks, even children recognise that there is something innately disturbing and unsettling with trannies. we have just created a culture that deems expression of these feelings and opinions to be unacceptable, so we bottle them up inside to placate the freaks

You are essentially mad at something which has no effect on you.

Well, actually, people were a bit salty that anyone dared suggest that not every person attempting to transition has what would be traditionally regarded as gender dysphoria, and that a subset of them are essentially hardcore fetishists. The idea caused quite a fuss when it came up.

>has no effect on me
I will not be complicit in your lie.

And you don't think there's some correlation between them?

Fact is we'll never know because this shit won't be researched. It's anti-PC afterall.

>exterminate or fuck?

Hanging out with my tranny fuckbuddy in public I have noticed that as a whole men are absolutely titillated by trannies. Most of the men in any given room will gawk at her like she is a 10/10 supermodel even though she is over 30 and on the chubby side. Some are disgusted but dare not say it because she is clearly a loose cannon and I'm one of the more swole dudes in the general public. Many women hate her. It infuriates the uglies. Great fun in any case.

>Lanklet physique
>Obviously at an unhealthy Face is probably 0/10 such as hiding it
>Jacket covering massive man hands

>All have resting dead face
>Insane amounts of make-up

Most trannies I've met were very not passable by any means. They also have this horrible habit of doing shit to cover up their man face and massive hands which actually just makes it 10x worse.

The usual answer any will give is the standard "But I FEEL like a woman on the INSIDE!" Yet their idea is to starve their body of a hormone needed to keep a male body from being psychotically imbalanced.

>You are essentially mad at something which has no effect on you.

We all gotta live in this world, pal. I want to have and raise kids. I don't want my kids growing up in a world where trannies are normal.

I bet you've secretly taken it up the ass from one though, OP

both, in no specific order.

The correlation between gender dysphoria and other mental illnesses has been extensively studied.

You are correct, though, that this kind of research encounters problems with SJWs. Typically this does not actually stop the researchers, although there have been a few incidents where people were nearly fired and one recent one where a gender reassignment clinic got shut down specifically for *not* giving reassignment surgery to every kid referred to them.

Yea you're so tough you hang out with a tranny

Being a manlet makes bring swole worth nothing

Originally I was going to transition but that was probably due to outside influences from (((them))). After I realized I was fucking brainwashed into thinking I was a cuck, er, I mean """""girl"""""..... I grew out of it.

Their understanding of womanhood is tautologically superficial. They're confused perverts who need help

> I don't want my kids growing up in a world where trannies are normal.

Then why are you in Canada? Go and live in the middle east or something.

chopping a cock and balls off:
>cosmetic

and you are larp as a doctor at least make it believable.

>I disagree, based on the research I've read. Even if we were to come up with some kind of plasticity drug, we'd then need to recreate the developmental processes which happen early in life (mostly when you are in the womb) whilst maintaining the personality/memories/etc of the presumably adult or late teen patient. Given that we've not even got a complete understanding of what all the parts of the brain do, I think rewriting the billions of neuronal connections it contains isn't going to happen during our lifetimes.

well then whos to say the drug wont be administered to mothers that have foetus' who show sings of miswiring,

we can already tell if the babby has fucked up chromesomes or other disorders.

Are you seriously going to say that we can never detect trannies in utero?

>You are essentially mad at something which has no effect on you.
You are essentially ignoring the negative social ramifications of blindly accepting and pushing mental disorders as normal

next stop: accepting paedophilia as normal and advocating for paedo rights

if our society collapses in the short term, I hope you realize and remember that you are partly to blame.

I'm a nice dude but most men avoid eye contact with me. Didn't really set out for that to happen but it's a nice fringe benefit when you have, uh, refined tastes.

im sure it did, what % of """"""""trannies"""""""" have this whatever the fuck female fetish you named earlier? (in your estimation)

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Nah, son. My family has been in this country for generations. I won't be chased out by nu-Canada.

if you are going to larp*

jesus i can tard out sometimes...

I do appreciate the input doc, you are really giving scientific credibility to my claims here. thanks bro

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>reshaping genitals to look like those of the other sex
It's cosmetic. Just because you wouldn't get it done doesn't mean it isn't. The idea of it makes me feel slightly ill as well because it's my cock and balls.

>well then whos to say the drug wont be administered to mothers that have foetus' who show sings of miswiring,

Foetuses wouldn't gain anything from a drug affecting brain plasticity, since they already have very high brain plasticity. It's that combined with the developmental processes which seem to result in gender dysphoria. Because of this, by definition, it would likely be too late to fix it by the time it's detected, and that's *if* we find a way of detecting it at all.

>next stop: accepting paedophilia as normal and advocating for paedo rights

This is basically the one concern I have with it. People who want to fuck animals as well. I'm not sure it will ever reach this far though, mainly because neither animals nor children can consent in any legal sense.

>if our society collapses in the short term, I hope you realize and remember that you are partly to blame.

If society collapses in the short term because a man wishes he were a woman, I will bear full responsibility for this.

Hard to say, since there haven't been many large studies on the subject.

I just found one source which cites several studies ranging from 87% to 31%. There is debate over how people are to be classified, though.

but by demanding accommodation, you are actively destroying society

I would be in favour of trannies transitioning if you all went and live on an island somewhere and never communicated with the rest of humanity ever again.

my problem is not that you want to fuck yourself up, its that you are fucking society up as well

>But before that, please note the following axioms:

Go to hell leaf. Seriously, have that hell that you prostitutant and papist fucks so eagerly believe in constructed for you. You demand to interact with people under some foundational rule that you have to remind them any way you can muster that they shall be considered disgusting and subhuman?

You leafs are fucking trash and deserve to have your world torn to bits. You're deranged, coddled, selfindulgent, mindless, purposeless worthless excuses for humanity.

>you aren't allowed to do something cause people will dislike you

I've read this entire thread (and use this board quite frequently) and I have never once seen an argument against it which doesn't boil down to "I personally don't like it".

Even the arguments against being gay have more weight because at least you can say "they aren't valid because they don't reproduce" whilst quietly ignoring elderly and infertile couples as well as overpopulation.

I don't demand or expect acceptance. Quite the opposite actually. Until someone comes up with a cure for me I'm going try and do what brings me what little happiness I can find just as you would do if faced with similar circumstances.

HOL UP

SO YOU BE SAYIN

its possible that 87% of all trannies are just hardcore fetishists?

in other words, its possible that 8/10 little kids who are given the hormones because they want to transition are actually just fooling the doctors via their fetish

JEJS

also sweet get.

Same here really. The brainwashing is real.

While you could see it as "I personally don't like it" that's a rather limited view of it.

I'll tell you what I don't like. I don't like the new PC culture that encourages this shit. I don't like that this will be taught as valid to the next generation. I don't like that it's all based off flawed research done by a pedophile. And I don't like that you're working so hard to lend it an air of legitness.

But I'll tell you why I don't want this. Because people should be encouraged to be normal.

Not this.
therebel.media/only_six_genders

fpbp

It's possible, yeah. Like I said, depends on how you classify it, and the number varies wildly between samples.

Some studies ask one question: "Have you ever had an erotic fantasy about being a woman" or some such. If they say yes, then they're an autogynephile. I'm sure you can see that this would leave most of Cred Forums as autogynephiles despite not actually wanting to be a woman.

More stringent studies ensure that the person has a long history of erotic cross-dressing and so on. These studies end up reporting far lower numbers. It also seems to vary wildly from sample to sample.

Either way, these fetishists (and this surprised me to find out as well) usually see substantial increases in quality of life after transitioning. I imagined that they would have the final surgery, then realise they can no longer masturbate to the idea of being a woman, at which point they would become very depressed. This appears not to be the case. No idea how that can be.

>While you could see it as "I personally don't like it" that's a rather limited view of it.
>. I don't like that this will be taught as valid to the next generation.

I mean, that's essentially what it is though. All you've done is moved it forward a generation.

The idea that gender dysphoria needs lending "an air of legitness" is a bit silly given all the neurological research which has been done on it. It is definitely a condition which exists. We have no way of controlling it with drugs or with brain surgery or anything like that, and nothing on the horizon for doing so. Therefore, the only way for the people afflicted with it to be happy is to physically transition. Personally I feel bad for them, because it must be a terrible mental condition to have. At least things like schizophrenia can be controlled with medication.

The idea of there being more than two genders, or of gender being "fluid" is as much a joke within the field as it is outside of it. Gender dysphoria is real.

>I have never once seen an argument against it which doesn't boil down to "I personally don't like it".

its destroying society

spartans used to throw babies off cliffs for being too small or sickly and they rose to become an empire, yes they failed but they were too proud to let slaves fight their battles for them.

anyway my point is we dont necessarily have to throw trannies off cliffs, but we also dont have to accept a fucking mental disorder as normal.

send them to live in tranny colonies up in the arctic or on some island in south east asia, im sure they would relish the opportunity to be pirate booty

So are those people who believe their limbs aren't actually theirs'. Should we comply and cut it off?

I also noticed you neglected to mention the John Money case. The one that certified the whole idea of gender. The one where the boy failed to work with his reassigned gender and ended up killing himself.

I understand what you're saying, but both mental and physical disorders occuring within a population is indeed completely normal. Just the way DNA recombines during conception is enough to ensure that the population of humans will always have people with various disorders in it.

Even the Spartans will have had people who appeared physically normal (and thus avoided the cliff-throwing) but actually had mental disorders of some kind.

On an individual level it is of course true that having a mental disorder will never be "normal" - as long as we accept "normal" to mean "similar to the rest of the population", which is the usual definition. However, I feel it is pointless and cruel to shun people with mental disorders. I am just thankful, from having met many trans people, that I do not have gender dysphoria myself.

The only thing these freaks pass as is
gas chamber worthy you kike bastard

does being a woman also involve having your moth open stupidly on every picture, or is that just because you're waiting for the cock?

Yes, it is because we are mentally ill degenerates who have left the Church and turned out backs on the Lord. It is a cry for help as we are essentially misguided, retarded children who are also Godless and deranged.

Why the hate?

MY PENIS IS CONFUSED

Daily reminder:
No tranny is going to take Cred Forums's advice on anything, nor will anyone get past OP's flag enough to take him seriously on any subject ever.

Because OP is a closeted trans person. I'm being serious, it's extremely likely

sounds like i struck a nerve

in your non existent cock

that you chopped off

due to your mental disorder

With regards to the limb thing:

It is possible that whatever is wrong with their brain causing them to want to remove a limb is fixable using therapy of some kind. I can't imagine drugs would be any good for that, unless it turns out to be a symptom of something like OCD or schizo. If it's completely unfixable using therapy (or, some would argue, sufficiently costly to do so), then it probably is a better idea to just remove the limb for them. If you don't, they're going to remove it themselves anyway, or just kill themselves.

Gender dysphoria is different because it appears to be based on the entire structure of the brain being wrong. Likely down to hormones when you're in the womb. It has proven essentially unfixable using therapy and drugs. No-one would transition if there was a better option.

John Money's an interesting case because it left all social constructionists on suicide watch in the field permanently. John Money went through a normal male developmental cycle in the womb, then was reassigned to female after birth. He rejected his female identity by age 20.

This actually works in favour of what I'm saying rather than against it - gender is not a social construct, and you cannot assume that just physically giving a person the body of the other sex will mean their brain realigns to fit it. This is the exact principle which means gender dysphoria is such a problem - having a male body does not mean that they have a male mind, any more than John Money's (sort of) female body meant that he would end up feeling female in his head.

Social constructionism never really recovered in the field after that, thank god.

okay, but you understand that i would be much more supportive of your if you chose to do this elsewhere, outside of western civilisation right?

why cant you go and form your own society somewhere else where you are free to chop anything and everything off?

>flag
>Go to hell leaf.

Your whole country

Nonsense. There are dozens of trannies that are regulars here. That said, they seem to be mostly no-op, not 'pre-op' not planning on operation, which renders a good deal of the OPs text irrelevant.

Agitators seem to work hard to keep it current, are you one?

Also
>passable.

Look guys it's easy to be passable to a camera you control.

Now let's see one that's passable fresh out of the shower, in person.

Yeah, that's what I thought.

The tranny-chasers here dream of the tranny who's sane enough to be a guy, but cute enough to fuck anyway. The reality is a guy that's crazy enough to be a woman, but still doesn't have a vagina.

Takes a lot of alcohol to miss the difference in my experience. More than I can take without simply passing out.

fucken waste of quads kaffir

Realistically, if we're discussing Canada, it appears that the majority are on their side. Why would they need to leave?

That's not quite accurate. The actual reason OP is making use of a safe space like that is because he's counting on affirmation.

taking hormones is not natural stop raping your body

>Cred Forums wants to kill this

Trannies have a mental illness and instead of receiving help they are exploited by plastic surgeons for money and women encourage it because they want to appear "tolerant and open minded" to other women.

Just because you can cherry pick the 1 in every 10,000 trannies that can pull it off and pass for female doesn't excuse the 9,999 others who look like shit. Get fucked faggot.

Just a quick correction: the case was David Reimer. John Money was the doctor who oversaw it and molested both David and his twin brother.

Isn't it possible to give them therapy + drugs and see what works? Rather than tearing down everything for all this pro-tranny shit?

>i would be much more supportive of your if you chose to do this elsewhere, outside of western civilisation right?

There's nothing more I'd rather do than go as far away from humans as possible. I'm pretty sure the trans community is the least of western civilizations worries right now though. I'll make sure to get my vote in for Trump before I blow my brains out.

caitlyn jenner is a player in a psyop.

>it's extremely likely
nah, I asked about this clishé to my boss, psychiatrist, and he told me it was bullshit, not indicative of anything in any degree

*cliché

The only "passable" tranny would need to have 2 x chromosomes, a real vagina and a functioning uterus

>You are essentially mad at something which has no effect on you.

It does have an effect on me. It's constantly pushed in popular media, I have to live around those subhumans, my future children will be brainwashed into supporting it, it sure as fucking hell effects the families of the people who decide to mutilate themselves and larp as women. Your argument is garbage; these freaks effect plenty of people other than themselves.

truth be consensus notoriously provides bad results.

it might be the current year but even that too can change

You sturck nerves over the whole course of the majority of my life, you fucking leaves!

You wanna gloat about it? You wanna remind me that I should be just and reciprocate and smash away at big juicy, fascinating piles of nerves?

>a qt passable tranny.

>imgur.com/r/transpassing

It's all been tried, unfortunately. What they have is just not similar to most other brain disorders - a lot of the time brain problems come down to one thing (or rather one root cause with a cascade of different effects). Remove the one part which isn't working, or implant an electrode to give it stimulation, or give drugs to balance out the chemicals in there, and the problem's fixed.

Gender dysphoria, from what we can see, affects almost every part of the brain.

Here's the funny bit: The political left does not like the argument I am about to make. Male and female brains are, on average, extremely different. Many parts of the male and female brain develop differently, and this can be seen on brain scans where they have different sizes and so on. The direction of the neuronal wiring is different, even.

When people with gender dysphnoria are subjected to these brain scans (or asked to do things such as memory tasks which reliably show a sex difference in performance), the result is usually the same: They are some way between "average" for males and females, with the results often skewed towards the sex they identify as rather than their birth sex.

No therapy's gonna be fixing that any time soon, unfortunately. It would be far easier if it were that way.

Plus, especially in the case of MtFs, passing as the sex you transition to is always going to be a problem. No-one would choose this if there were other options. Unfortunately there aren't.

>titillated

It's called disgust, fag. Those men are gawking because your friend is a disgusting schizoid

I can't bring down the whole country! I'm not fucking Rasputin!

Again though, it more or less comes down to you personally not liking it.

In the end, if someone has a kid unfortunate enough to be born with gender dysphoria, they're going to recommend the kid transitions rather than stays stuck in "the wrong body", so to speak, and spends their entire life miserable and with a very high risk of suicide.

For a person with gender dysphoria, there is basically no choice but transitioning. It's not ideal, but it is the closest thing to a cure we have.

>cosmetic

>makes you infertile and at higher risk of cancer by reshaping and removing parts of your reproductive organs

pick 1

Every single fucking faggot that's delusional enough to argue trannies should be accepted and natural, look at this fucking thing and then tell me that's a normal woman. It left its family and kids to become a 5 yr old girl.

Look at it.

Could you find the source, please? That would be an interesting read

>In the end, if someone has a kid unfortunate enough to be born with gender dysphoria
And you don't think that the government pushing all this bullshit will result in many, many misdiagnosis cases?

Do these sick cunts try to go pick up straight men and trick them into being gay? If you do I hope you get beaten within in an inch of your life.

It's cosmetic in the sense that the resultant organ is useless for reproduction and is purely "for show".

I find it a bit strange that you're suddenly so concerned about their health, though. Many things which increase cancer risk are not illegal or even frowned upon. Even a vasectomy can render you permanently unable to reproduce.

If that's the choice they make, then there is no reason not to accept it outside of the common "I don't like it".

is gaming for sympathy part of your plan? you seem to be very good at it. no wonder women are so susceptible to pitying you.

at least you can recognise the problems, you are one of the good ones i suppose

Trannysage britbong, why are there so many more men with gender dysorphia than there are women?

Maybe Cred Forums is the cure for being a transexual

Fuck that whole trio! The lead freak, the britbong, and the coalburner! And the faggot that interviewed them too, I hope his whole "network" gets Charlie Hedbo'd!

That's a concern of mine, yes. Recently in Canada a clinic which was helping children with gender dysphoria attracted the attention of a trans activism group. They were angry, basically, because the clinic was refusing to simply transition every child referred to them. Instead, the clinic was using an evidence-based approach - and the evidence suggests that around 90% of referrals are indeed false positives and do not need any further action. They were using what they knew to filter out the children who do not have gender dysphoria, and are simply displaying gender atypical behaviour in a "phase".

This wasn't good enough for the activism group, who hounded the local politician until funding was pulled from the institution.

However, this doesn't change the fact that there are indeed people who really do have gender dysphoria, and that transitioning is the best way to achieve this. If anything, openly discriminating against trans people gives groups like the one I mentioned above greater victim status and political sway. It is, after all, the current year.

Transitioning as a concept isn't going to go away because it is the best (and really the only) answer we have to gender dysphoria. The best we can do is avoid shitting on the people who need it (shitting on mentally ill people is bad anyway) and steer policy on the subject towards an evidence-based approach.

>1, 2
Yes, the majority of men and women are not attracted to trannies. But honestly, deciding how to live your life on the basis of whether others will find you attractive is pretty cucked. I mean, you'd think I was being ridiculous if I said you should abandon your political views because they make you unattractive.

>3
>>irreversible
Not neccessarily, depending on how far along you are. It's not something that happens overnight
>>completely unnatural
So is most modern medicine, as is the computer you typed it on. "Unnatural" doesn't mean bad.
>>wholly ineffective
Not really, or it wouldn't be done. Sure, it won't make you a biological man/woman, but it does enough to help minimize dysphoria, which is literally the whole point.
>>and in order to do achieve this, must being when the child is mentally incapable of knowing whether it is truly what they desire.
Also not true. The most that is done for trans children is using hormone blockers (which are 99% reversible) to delay puberty. HRT and SRS only happen at adulthood.

>4
>>psychiatric medication that is administered on a continual basis to repress your disorder
Repression isn't a cure, it's basically duct tape. A "true" fix for gender dysphoria would require actually altering the section of brain that "tells you what gender you're supposed to be". The treatment you describe doesn't seem like it would be any more effective than HRT, unless the actual statistics show it to be more effective.

Not replicable though.

>Nice refutation
Nice refutation

>next stop: accepting paedophilia as normal and advocating for paedo rights
Paedo """"""""""rights"""""""""" mean nothing more than raping children, something which is clearly, objectively harmful. Whereas gender transition doesn't harm people, except for pearl clutchers who can't handle anything different from them.

No one I know has any sympathy for me and I don't really care. I accepted my fate years ago. Life isn't fair and sometimes things just dont work out. I love Cred Forums for the honesty and the fact its not a safe space and theres no doubt in my mind I'd hate trannies if I wasn't fucked up already. I only want the best for everyone and if a Hitler came a long wanting to kill us all I wouldn't fight back.

post ur pink panties freak

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>only close up images

typical myspace tranny shots

far away pics show how out of proportion they are with the masculine features.

disgusting mentally ill tranny fuck BTFO

Well, man, sorry to say, but maybe the trannies will have to sort themselves out. It sucks that they were handed that lot in life, but if helping them will further fuck up things for the future of the normal people...

Needs of the many and all.

>Even the arguments against being gay have more weight because at least you can say "they aren't valid because they don't reproduce" whilst quietly ignoring elderly and infertile couples as well as overpopulation.

>(gays) aren't valid because they don't reproduce

>they don't reproduce

Who told you that people who chop their dicks off can reproduce, Nigel?

Link to the studies plz desu

Understandable. Either way, I've enjoyed this discussion.

Fair point, although you can quite easily have sex cells stored before transitioning. The process costs a fortune anyway, I'm sure anyone attempting it could afford the storage costs too.

Still not addressing the various other groups who can't reproduce and yet are not discriminated against in the same way, though.

There are those that are disgusted and they are a surprisingly small percentage. Most men's reactions range from intrigued to openly lustful. I assume this has to do with how much they favor tranny porn in their jerk off time. In this day and age even in flyover country people are cool with it. The innawoods rednecks are more apt to get upset but even they'll surprise you.

Post-op passable transsexual here. So many strong opinions that are factually wrong.

annelawrence.com/autogynephilia,_a_paraphilic_model_of_GID.pdf

Page 74, second paragraph is where they are listed.

So you can see no rational reasons why castrating yourself isn't a good idea? C'mon man, that's fucking ridiculous

Nobody cares about chromosomes, retard. They're just a blueprint. That's like saying you should hire someone based on the degrees they have, even if they don't actually do any work.

Using imageboards isn't natural either, idiot.

Transition is the best form of help currently available.

>However, this doesn't change the fact that there are indeed people who really do have gender dysphoria, and that transitioning is the best way to achieve this.

so then, assuming you know what the % of false positives are, at what point do you stop supporting transitioning?

eg: assuming that 90% are false positives, do you still believe we should be transitioning 9 false trannies for every 1 real tranny?

80%?
50%?
10%?

when do the cons outweigh the pros? you have reconcile this with the fact that you took a pledge do no physical harm. How can you even support transitioning until you have a VERY accurate and standardised (legally enforced) method of testing to identify false positives from real cases. even 50% is not enough because you are harming as many as you are helping.

You look like a man.

Cause im attracted to men and I want a normal masculine/feminine relationship and I want to feel pretty and feminine like women get to.

Living as a guy is just awful. I would probably kill myself eventually. At least now... I look more feminine. Even though I don't look like normal girls.

ATTN FEMANONS: I want YOUR opinion of the Transexual/Transgender movement. Since you are all protected by anonymity here give us YOUR TRUE opinion of this phenomenon. What is also your opinion of OTHER women who make the claims that they are "real" women in their own right?

>Also not true. The most that is done for trans children is using hormone blockers (which are 99% reversible) to delay puberty. HRT and SRS only happen at adulthood.
the britbong tranny sage disagrees with you, you are pushing a fucked up agenda that is potentially hurting more people than it is helping. the tranny sage has mentioned figures as high as 87%-90% false positives. you might literally be chopping off 9 cocks where you should only be chopping off 1. you are fucken revolting.

>Whereas gender transition doesn't harm people,
yeah except possibly the 9 out of 10 young boys that never actually wanted to transition in the first place. yeah no harm done there ya fucken retard.

Well with old+infertile they didn't plan for it or consent to it, whereas gays and trannies chose to avoid hetero sex and castrate. I would say that those who get vasectomies should be looked down upon similarly though

Ayylmao

Lol sure.

What about monks and priests who chose to be celibate as a lifestyle pleasing to their god? It's a staple of western civilization.

As part of my research, I ended up speaking to a gay male (who was not transgender), and he said he enjoyed going to clubs dressed as a female. Looked very feminine and attractive in the pictures. He claimed that when he pulls a male (and then informs them that he is a man, which he must do by law in his country), around 80% of them still go home with him. He appeared to view hunting straight guys as a sport of some kind.

Under normal circimstances it definitely isn't a good idea. Gender dysphoria sort of changes the rules, though.

This is a good question.

As I said, there are methods of distinguishing genuine cases of dysphoria from false positives. It is important that they are applied. Personally, I would lean towards caution when doing this, and would only refer people I was 100% sure about. You can transition when legally an adult, after all, it's just that (especially for males) puberty affects the face and body in a way which is difficult to undo.

Is that the plastic tube you need to use to keep your gaping wound from closing?

You still look like a man.

The planet is overpopulated, so I actually think vasectomies are a good thing.

on Cred Forums maybe and random hugboxes that only appeal to the most antisocial of males

but the vast majority of us are disgusted by trannies whether we say it or not

I know this girl irl and ya she doesn't pass as well as she does in pictures. She is really tall like 6+ft and her face is well overscaled for a womans. And her limbs arms are very long.

If even Cred Forums would be willing to fuck a transexual, where exactly are these bastions of people who are disgusted to be found?

>passable

With thighs like that, you'd pass for chubby, that's for sure.

I almost never get clocked. I get asked for tampons by other women. I know I pass.

Its really hard to sale it when you're over 5'8 or so. The feet, legs, and hands will give it away.

I understand that ya'll want to make people happy, but this all seems like a lot of risk for relatively pay off.

You said the process costs a shit load. Do you not see why people would want it to be more acceptable and widespread, then?

>Using imageboards isn't natural either, idiot.

Kek @ comparing taking hormones to change your sex to shitposting on Cred Forums.

You trannies really have shown your mental illness with the shitty mental gymnastics you do to validate your complete wrecking of nature's intended course. Why not just chop your own head off while you're at it?

Who is this "tranny sage" you speak of?

Also
>yeah except possibly the 9 out of 10 young boys that never actually wanted to transition in the first place
Except it's not done without the consent of the patient. If the patient expresses no desire to transition, transition doesn't happen.

There's nothing to be seen in that picture, basically just a man having bra on his chest. If that turns you on you seriously need help, not because you are gay, but because that's less sexy than any random person at local swimming pool.

its true. Ugly women are especially viscious to trans girls. Very ugly women are the one thing that makes me feel better about looking masculine. But I know its a different situation.

I'm pretty thin, I'm sitting up a little to get the pic.

Proof

We will be colonizing space soon, and slashing foreign aid to African "countries" would solve most of the problem anyways.

Sorry bro, you look like a man.

Hormone therapy is an accepted part of medical practice. Ever taken a tylenol? That's MORE unnatural than HRT. HRT is synthetic, but chemically identical to the hormones that exist inside the body (even males have some estrogen, just a lot less than females).

you look even more like a man in this one

Lol proof? I posted my picture.

I don't think anyone here is arguing that this a natural and normal thing we go through.

I'm a literally 9/10 adorable twink and when I crossdress you can't tell I'm not a woman. Trannies are mentally ill. Crossdressing is degenerate, but at least I acknowledge that and allow you to take out your frustrations on my ass :)

You never answered, why are there so many male gender dysorphs compared to female ones? What are the actual ratios?

I agree that it's very risky with children. I am unsure if I would start the transitioning before puberty if it were left to me. However, there are people who have spent their entire career working on diagnosing gender dysphoria in children, and I generally would trust their decision. I also know they can be trusted to avoid being pressured into transitioning more by the trans activist groups.

I can see why some would view the cost as prohibitive - added up from start to finish it is astronomical. Then again, major surgeries aren't exactly cheap either (and this is a series of minor ones).

As I've said, it would be ideal if we were able to fix this in some other way, but there is no other option. Stopping offering the surgeries or researching the topic wouldn't be accepted by society in current year (outside of the middle east which isn't exactly a goal society)

Appealing to nature, are we?

That's the last thing a tranny advocate should be doing.

why would a straight man want to fuck a gay twink? You look like a man and am not possible. Some "straight" men will fuck trannies. Some actual straight men will fuck post-op trannies. No straight man would touch you.

...

>He claimed that when he pulls a male, around 80% still go home with him

can you name his nationality, i just want to know if he is from thailand or whereever that place is that all the trannies are accepted in. also if he is swedish it doesnt count, that whole nation is faggotry.

80% seems way too high for western society, if its true then we are truly fucking doomed.

also do you truly believe that figure? im sure these narcisists would love the chance to lie about that kinda shit,

The user I was replying to was appealing to nature. I was just pointing out how illogical their reasoning is.

>Projecting this hard

No we wouldn't your just a sad gay cunt in denial that you're a faggot

Lol

Moar then for FFS

Sorry, I missed that. MtF is about 3 times more common than FtM.

I can only really speculate on why this is - perhaps men's brains are more sensitive to whatever hormonal imbalance causes the development to mirror the opposite sex. Another possibility is that the numbers for MtFs are artificially expanded by men who just fetishise being women (autogynephiles).

There are other possibilities, though - it is far more socially acceptable for a woman to look, act and dress masculine than for a man to do the same thing in reverse. Perhaps some women who would otherwise be seeking treatment for gender dysphoria are able to "socially transition" without actually being trans, by simply being a huge tomboy.

Additionally, constructing a vagina surgically is quite easy, and we're relatively good at it at this point. It's basically a hole with some muscles around it, after all. A penis is almost impossible, even now, to construct surgically. There are a few different options, but even the best ones rely on manual pumps embedded in the leg or gooch to being erect and flacid again. Perhaps this puts them off.

That wasn't what I was getting at, user. This seems like a scam, is what I'm saying. Gender dysphoria wasn't a major problem until it became popular, and yet now we have 50% of children not identifying as their birth gender.

I'm not saying legit cases don't exist. But they must be really, really fucking rare.

You were saying that HRT is more natural than Tylenol because of the fact that the hormone is similar to a naturally generated one.

I'm calling your bullshit. That's a stupid argument.

It's about 50/50. FTM pass really easily.

Trannies make me sad.
All I can think of is the poor lost little boy that society betrayed and allowed to be castrated. Castrated without even the excuse of creating something useful like a castrato or a harem eunuch, motivated entirely by the embrace of decadent destructive impulse.

youtube.com/watch?v=lQo2PNnwOww

Don't do it to yourselves.

see thats the kind of tranny mentality i would support, if more trannies were like you then maybe wed be a lot more supportive of your rights.

you KNOW that you are fucked up and your candid nature is worthy of respect.

but the fairies that parade around pretending that their mental disorders are normal do NOTHING to help your cause, they just breed resentment.

i can accept a green square even if i dont like the colour green, but dont fucken make me pretend that its a circle.

yeah what the fuck guys
like seriously?

I look like a girl, I get called a girl by everyone just because i fucking look and act like one so being trans is a non issue in my life. You wanna hate sjw's and old ass hons then be my guest but leave me out of it.

Also why in the fuck do any of you give two shits? Like seriously it makes me think half of you are repressed trannies trying to talk shit so it makes you feel better about repressing the urge to be feminine. I know because I used to be one of you fuckers before I broke down and decided id rather die then to live as a guy.

Gender is a misnomer. It's a 3-axis thing and this is why its so easy to bait
-Gender identity
-Gender as culture
-Sex

Gender identity is a biologically hardwired innate sense of your body formed in the first 3 months of pregnancy (intrauterine period). It's an instinctual conviction to your shell and its function.

There is significant similarities between the brain morphology of ciswomen&transwomen, and cismen&transmen indicating a related origin. These dimorphic areas are most notably in the: hypothalamus structure/behavior, limbic system, white matter microstructure, and colossal shape.

Further, much of the data is interdisciplinary (neurology, molecular biology, endocrinology) and much of the neurological findings have critical controls which factor out hormone replacement therapy or current sex hormone as the genesis of these dimorphic structures.

Male cancer patients suffering from androgenic cancers (prostate/testicular), often do androgen deprivation to combat cancer. This is done through an orchiectomy or or antiandrogens. Some of these patients end up taking female sex hormones or SERMs (estrogen sex hormone only acting on some receptors, i.e. no breast growth). These male identifying patients that remove androgens from their system and take a feminizing hormone, the expected masculine-typical brain structures. Indicating these patterns are not formed due to hormones. It's a hardwired formation that doesn't change depending on active sex hormone.

Additionally some of the modern pieces of research in this field actually control for pre-HRT patients and find the same results. In the first study by Zhou (who kicked off a lot of this tranny research), he examined a transgender brain post-mortem of an 80 year old organ donor. This organ donor reported feeling cross sex dysphoria throughout his life and never transitioned. Their brain matched results found by the other transgender subjects.

citations available at req.

He was actually Scottish. I say "his country" because I don't believe the law is the same in the rest of the UK.

Personally I do believe the statistic, yeah. Mainly because I've been on Cred Forums for over a decade now, so I've seen that having a penis isn't necessarily a dealbreaker if you have the rest of the goods on show. I've seen threads suggesting a similar thing elsewhere, too.

He broke it down further, saying that around half of those want to do him from behind, and another group aren't willing to actually penetrate him and just opt for oral sex. He said, strangely, that some small percentage want to perform oral on him - I presume these people must be closeted homosexuals, or just extremely sexually curious.

Beautiful link user, haunting stuff

>but the fairies that parade around pretending that their mental disorders are normal do NOTHING to help your cause, they just breed resentment.
I know what you're saying and I cringe as well. I could never be proud of what I am. I just hope to blend in and disappear and not suffer more than I need to.

>"real"

I used to be masculine as fuck and basically a skinhead nazi and you know what? I was miserable as fuck. Now I pass as a girl from being on hrt for a few years and being castrated, its called an orchiectomy btw. My life has never been better now.

>Gender dysphoria wasn't a major problem until it became popular, and yet now we have 50% of children not identifying as their birth gender.

I'm not sure that's true outside of extremely shoddy surveys, but yeah, I accept your point. It certainly is extremely rare. A standard figure for medically diagnosed dysphoria sits at around 1 in 30,000 for males.

Or at least it's meant to. With all this gender fluidity and "my gender is rainbow" nonsense,
I suspect they have pushed too far and will face some backlash.

Sad really, most of the trans people I know hate "gender trenders" for basically using the mental illness they're forced to live with as a fashion statement on Tumblr.

Its fine to feel this way, but never sale yourself short on anything you fucking do, and don't go out on your knees because you feel like you 'deserve' it.

that's a man

>You were saying that HRT is more natural than Tylenol because of the fact that the hormone is similar to a naturally generated one.
It's literally true though. Whether that makes it good/acceptable is another matter, but going by the criteria of "natural", HRT is more natural than tylenol.

>Except it's not done without the consent of the patient.

yes it is you fucken retard, by definition children cannot consent. you are the exact kind of degenerate thats out advocating for pedo rights.

get gassed you vile excuse of a being, im done talkign to you

if anythign i can appreciate your deprecating humor

>I can only really speculate on why this is - perhaps men's brains are more sensitive to whatever hormonal imbalance causes the development to mirror the opposite sex.

do you think it might possibly be related to the increase in plastics within our environtment, i heard they act as xeno estrogens and can fuck up the developement of male foetuses.

you should look into that shit.

>I get asked for tampons by other women. I know I pass.
because you demanded entry into their fucken bathroom you retard.
jejs

Because your bullshit is spreading.

I think part of that also has to do with trauma which often makes one submissive instead of masculine. A father abusing his daughter doesn't really make her dominant and masculine, but a guy abused easily becomes submissive

Society also in general is more harsh to men which may have a similar effect, or at least reinforce their dysorphia

>yes it is you fucken retard, by definition children cannot consent. you are the exact kind of degenerate thats out advocating for pedo rights.
You're retarded. Yes, the child can't legally consent, but a) actual HRT/SRS isn't done until the patient is old enough to consent and b) the patient must at least express a desire to transition, otherwise no one would ever think they're trans. No one is randomly going around transgendering children who express no desire to be the other gender.

Last time I went to use the men's room, a guy stopped me and told me I was accidentally going in the men's room. No one knows, no one cares.

that lady has big hands brah

Yeah, that definitely makes sense to me. The pressures on both males and females are very different.

scotts are another outlier on account that they have been wearing dresses for centuries.

my middle quote in this was meant for you too

I keep telling you, what it's about, you OBSESSED freak. Get through your head what it's all really about...

You. Fucking. Leafs.

You wanna say I'm insane? Okay, fine! What am I insane from? Being around you fucking leafs! It's so blatant, it's the elephant in the room, though not really an ordinairy little elephant, more like an elephant the size of a Brontosaurus. Aren't you happy to be at that point? Come on!

Those same friends probably jumped aboard the progressive bandwagon. It's the inevitability of it all. All the fights that needed to be fought are done with, now let's look for something else to push.

It's that mindset that'll make pedophilia accepted.

I have no ill will to legit people stuck with this illness, but fact is that the deck is stacked against them. I want them to be happy and functional, yet I don't see that. I see a lot of people treating the symptoms and not the cause.

I think, in a perfect world, everyone would be a normie breeder.

I'm saying that's a horse shit argument the approval of anything. You're still injecting a shit load of synthetic chemicals into your body.

Hah! He might have been pulling gay guys all along who just thought he was wearing an especially fabulous kilt.

I've heard about this - and I've heard about things such as lead in the atmosphere as well (I believe there is evidence that when cities adopt leaded petrol, violent crime spikes in the decades which follow). Pollutants may well be a factor here. Could be hormones fed to cattle. Could be a lot of things, really.

Of course, the counter-argument is "it's always been that way, we're just more accepting now so more are coming out!". I'm not sure I buy that, personally, given the scale of the increase.

That's true, however the whole point I'm trying to make is that judging something on whether or not it's "natural" is retarded.

>He broke it down further, saying that around half of those want to do him from behind, and another group aren't willing to actually penetrate him and just opt for oral sex. He said, strangely, that some small percentage want to perform oral on him - I presume these people must be closeted homosexuals, or just extremely sexually curious.

They're all homosexuals.

I wanna know your surgeon, i'm shopping around for a vagina currently and Suporn seems the best bet but I want more opinions. Could you like like an imgur of your vag so I can see and tell me the surgeon you had?

No, people aren't having to hide the real them anymore. The issue isn't spreading, its already been amongst us but most guys who wanna be girls are cowards and front hardcore to make suspicions never arise that inside deep down they are as prissy as any other girl.

I can talk a kid into wanting to become an attack helicopter. Kids are fucking stupid and you shouldn't take their word on what's best for them.

>I see a lot of people treating the symptoms and not the cause.

It's easy to say that when no one knows how to treat the cause. It's not like getting prescribed anti-biotics.

...

>trauma

This should be looked into more, could childhood sexual trauma have an effect on brain structure? If so that could explain the brain diff in trannies compared to hetero

Pretty much.

I personally don't think paedophilia or zoophilia will ever be accepted, mainly because children and animals can't properly consent. Fortunately, the same kind of "progressive" activists who push this stuff in the first place have developed an absolute obsession with consent, and I think that will keep them under control.

That's not to say I haven't seen people arguing for the legalisation of both of these things though - I have. It's just that even on Tumblr they're mocked as lunatics.

> I see a lot of people treating the symptoms and not the cause.

Treating the cause is beyond us at some point. We'd certainly rather treat that. Perhaps some day we will.

>I think, in a perfect world, everyone would be a normie breeder.

Things would be a lot simpler that way. Unfortunately, human biology is staggeringly complex.

Chettawut, I recommend.

I think that all depends, user. I think we've evolved to live a certain way, and we should at least heed that advice.

>No, people aren't having to hide the real them anymore. The issue isn't spreading, its already been amongst us but most guys who wanna be girls are cowards and front hardcore to make suspicions never arise that inside deep down they are as prissy as any other girl.
Or maybe your bullshit is being enabled and you're fiaxted on what would otherwise be a phase in your life.

They're repressed

>given scale of the increase.
yeah and you have to admit that this is partly attributable to society being more accepting of trannies. there are definite self fulfilling prophesy effects going on here.

i had my suspicions that you were a aussie, now im convinced

does hrt do anything negative in regard to having erections?

I didn't read it in detail, but I have seen research suggesting that trauma (not specifically sexual trauma, but trauma) in the first 5 years of life has permanent effects on brain structure.

no
not passable, hiding it's true form.
wide shoulders.
look at the fingers it is not hiding, clearly male.
hiding face.
choker hiding adams apple.
coat covering hips (or lack thereof).
helmet covering penis

not feminine at all.

I have to go out now, but it's been a pleasure discussing this with you.

That's why you have a doctor evaluate them to try to determine if they really are trans or not.

wtf is BSTc ?

If being the (((real you))) involves castration and pretending to be the opposite sex you should promptly kill yourself. I hope your "doctor" screws the surgery so bad you bleed to death you degenerate.

I have a friend who was dressed up as a girl by his mom and made to enter beauty pageants. He went through a suicidal phase where he wanted to be a woman.

It's his experience that taught me not to buy into this bullshit. That people don't really know what's good for them.

are you at least still a nazi? or are you a poz pushing degenerate with aspirations of legalizing kiddy fucking

You too, britfam

thanks brah, see you around tranny sage

Do trannies have that male sweat smell? Like, that alone is extremely offputting to me.

Nice talking to you, brit. Keep the motherland glorious.

It's not like there's a definite "trans or not" stripe.

Your first premise is totally incorrect. Having a cock and being incapable of producing offspring are both major positives.

hmm, I had several say chett is good but like I can't find pics

it wasn't a fucking phase dude. I was ALWAYS in pain over being male, ever since I was little. But I was told to suck it up and man up and I did and then when I found out transition was a thing it took 2 years to accept myself and do it.

Not for me, I don't even have my balls but I can still get a stiffy, not like I use it though, oh and morning erections are gone in like the first month so you can actually wake up and pee of a morning without having to wait for your fucking tumor pole to go down

>It's not like there's a definite "trans or not" stripe.
True, but its not like the decision process is just "kid says he wants to be a girl, let's immediately start him on HRT" either.

no kikes allowed. get gassed shlomo

If you want an honest answer on this, go to /lgbt/. Get out of Cred Forums and go ask some real trannies there. Step outside of your alt-right safe-space.

whale.to/a/mri_studies.html
circumcision.org/brain.htm

the jews start it and then you finish it. oy vey.

If ya'll are actually interested:
oocities.org/transsexual_analysis/transsexual5.html

I've found this to be a very good summary and relatable in terms of my personal experience

I genuinely hope it works out for you.
The reason this issue resonates with me is because I am or was one of those aforementioned autogynephiles. In the days long before Cred Forums and the internet as a young teenager I used to crossdress and imagine having sex with myself because I had a very strong libido but didn't know how to interact with girls so that was the next best thing. I grew out of it though because eventually I got a girlfriend and lost interest in the whole idea.

All I can think of now though is what would have happened to me if I had been thirteen year old crossdressing me in this modern day when transgenderism is considered normal? What would have happened if I had been encouraged down that road because it's "normal"?
Just how far would I have gone in pursuit of becoming a "trap"?

I might have volunteered to cut my balls off all because I had a goddamn sexual fetish brought on by feelings of masculine inadequacy and over appreciation for the female archetype. It's terrifying.

hey faggot read the thread we have actual sages who got their PhDs in trannyology so fucking kill yourself queer.

over on the degenerate board I would imagine their only response is "you hate trannies because you are a tranny"

nothing but literal nigger tier logic to be found on a board full of leftist degenerate oven material

>...into the /lgbt/ safe space

Well, congratulations. You are a sick frankenstein of a man pretending to be a woman. If doing so make you happy, then I doubt you really had such deep seated issues. At least you spared the world your further damaged genes.

He has pics on his website. Mine is only 7 weeks old or I'd share. Takes 3 months to heal .

>chromosomes are just a blueprint

You dad's cum was a blueprint. Chromosomes are the basis of a human body. You can't add, remove, or change any of them. They are what your body is, not what it's "meant" to be. If you're born with a third chromosome on your 21st set, you WILL have Downs, and you can't change that.

I am still very strongly into the ideals of Adolf Hitler. He would have made the world perfect. If Hitler won we would all be space commanders right now. Also I wouldn't be trans because Nazi science would have produced a cure decades before I was born. Yeah it would have involved lots of human suffering via experimentation but in reality human testing is the only thing that actually works.

Some info on this copy-pasted from a larger document:
Transexuals have stria terminalis bed nucleus resembling that of the gender they identify as [4].

1) This difference is not innate from birth, it occurs in adulthood [1]. This region of the brain can be changed by “certain events or exposure to various substances” [2] including Ethanol [2] and Morphine [3].
Transexuals often experience substance abuse “the rate of substance abuse disorders among LGBT individuals isn’t well known, but studies indicate it may be 20% to 30%, which is significantly higher than the general population [5]"- and that's just those who actually admit it.

2) This area of the brain is used in threat monitoring [10]

3) The majority of transexuals in the study had already gone through hormone treatment, but ones who had not showed similar results, indicating these differences are not primarily caused by transition hormones [4].

[4]: ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/7477289

[1]: ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/11826131

[3]: ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/18343592

[2]: ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/26259092

[10]: ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2921460/

[5]: socialworktoday.com/archive/070714p8.shtml

One day I decided I was a woman because I am. Then I started hormones. Now no one can tell I'm a tranny. I've fucked more women as a girl than most of Cred Forums even before my tits finished growing.

Top level memesters will have you believe I'm mentally ill, but I'm having sex with your girlfriend on the down low so....

Sex chromosomes don't work like that though. Being born with XY chromosomes doesn't guarantee you'll have a penis. The physical form of my body is what my body is, not the chromosomes.

I'm not a Kangaroo, in fact I've only encountered like 2 or 3 people from there. That you would assume that sort of response from someone who's come here merely from australia totally illustrates how small minded you are, and why your opinions on such a thing are pure shit. Even the poo in the loos here lurve you and are quick to go "dur, hur, commonwealth pride!!!111".

>They're just a blueprint.

Try taking a B-52 after it has been built and alter it to be an An-2.

Good luck.

Simple no

eww transbian

whats the pain like?

>pretending to be a woman
no, i just am one because I look like one and everyone sees me as one. Last time I went out in mens clothing I was called "miss, mam, lady" all day

UMMMMMMM thanks for triggering me. chromosomes are just a social construct you bigot!
we are what we feel, as a privileged cis male you wouldn't understand, but LOTS of men have periods
youtube.com/watch?v=lnBTUXCPKNM
just because YOU as a (((man))) have never shed the lining of your uterus DOES NOT MEAN other men don't!
Boys Can Get Periods Too
youtube.com/watch?v=IQxlNGoNOSg

(sarcasm obviously)

and they say it's not a mental illness ...

Every month or so, the uterus lining gets thicker to prepare for a fertilized egg if the woman becomes pregnant. If the egg doesn't get fertilized, that lining is released from the body as blood through the vagina. This monthly process is called menstruation or a period.

TRIGGERED

Not much actual data tbqh, participation metal at best for you leaf

>What on earth would ever compel you transition?
The booming awful edict of the goddess, of course. It turns men raving mad. Slavish.

Yes they do. If you were born without a cock, it means you were fucked by something in your mom's womb. You're only cosmetically not a male. Biologically you're just as male as someone with a penis. I don't care what your feelings say, you will always be a man.

No, it's more like converting a B-24 into a water bomber (which has been done).

>no, i just am one because I look like one and everyone sees me as one. Last time I went out in mens clothing I was called "miss, mam, lady" all day

I'd imagine your genes disagree. But please, tell me, how can you comprehend being a woman any better than I can comprehend being a whale?

That thing from the first video is just absolutely ghastly. Why in god's name haven't we started ovening these people yet?

I guess I should have known ((((who)))) would start posting in this thread when I made it, all this kikery is becoming a bit much and I think it is well past time to retire to some whiskey and a cigar.

its been 250 posts and I can honestly say my opinion is now stronger than ever, a few of you trannies are alright though...

whats the bible say? love the sinner hate the sin? maybe a bit far for me but there is some truth in that I suppose.

>But please, tell me, how can you comprehend being a woman any better than I can comprehend being a whale?
because I don't have whale dna, i'm human and humans can be either male, female, or a defect of the two like i am

Also you can't see my genes without a lab so I doubt you walk around with a million dollar dna karyotype laboratory handy on you. Hell, its $5,000 bucks for an average person to get their chromosomes tested because the facilities are at max capacity because the sub out for crime labs. Ipso facto no guy but my father knows I used to be a dude.

why the fuck do you place so much importance on dicks and cunts, get the fuck over it. you are worse than the bitchy little manlets on fit 'i'm 5 foot 6.00467 inches' . everything that mtf or ftm want is what is normal biological gender mtf don't dress like 'tomboys' they go all out dresses heels nails done hair done full make up. you have a mental illness , you have an infatuation with something that is not obtainable, you will kys when you are older because you will NEVER be a woman, regardless of how much you pretend.

night all!

remember to keep those ovens hot and fired up

I carry a gun legally. I've only ever had to threaten to use it once. I imagine, but don't fantasize because it horrified me, having to put one of the sick dogs that pop up in memester threads down in the streets.

One guy threatened to break my windshield if I drove off away from him and his 2 bigot friends. I got out of my car calmly, pointed a gun at his chest and started screaming in a man voice "back up. Back the fuck up." his 2 friends took of running I only had to tell him one more time.

Thanks for supporting my right to carry a gun. I like Cred Forums for that :l

But thankfully since then it's been another 11 months of hormones and now I don't get mistaken for male.

because the ovens never existed in the first place you fucking kike, also ftm's aren't real, women trying to be guys are just doing it for attention

Not too bad. Get lighting bolts of pain randomly as the nerves reconnect. Rest is a swelling soreness. They give you tramadol for the pain. I kept asking for more because I'm a wimp. The other girls I met weren't too uncomfortable.

No, but you no doubt have a Y chromosome. Therefore, you are male.

If men and women are so different that you need to transition, how can you know what being a woman is like despite being biologically a man?

fuck I wish I had a gun so I could do that

there isn't even anyone bigoted enough to confront like that here

hahahahahahahahahahaha right, no guy, only straight guys can fucking spot you a mile away, and heres why , men and women are different, anthropologically different. study anthropology , how do they dig up bones from the dirt thousands of years old and identify them based on sex and age? men and women have different skeletal structures, because they are different , i could put wings on my car, but it's still a fucking car. i could rip the doors off my car, and guess what, it's still a fucking car.

hahaha B T F O trannies

nerves don't reconnect, don't fall for the meme, I honestly don't care if I get sensation back or not but don't lie to yourself. If nerves could reconnect then people in wheel chairs would be walking in months. Also tramadol is weak as fuck, I want hydrocodone if I get srs.

Quads has spoken.
Truth is here.

>implying we even know which brain areas govern sexual identity
>implying the whole brain participates in creating one's gender identity

Most likely this would mainly involve some changes in some hypothalamus and amygdala regions. Some form of genetic therapy may correct some of these incongruities.

For example, altering genes which code for aggression, which is maybe the strongest sexually dimorphic trait in all animals. I'd expect the genetics for aggression and stress to be involved in one's sexual/gender identity and their sexual orientation.

But then, the question is how much is enough, because it's likely some degree of these traits might be very common in the Homo species. Humans place a lot of emphasis on development, maturity and plasticity, as well as emotional control. They believe in shaping themselves as they choose.

A big head size is long limbs are always a giveaway.

*and long limbs

There's always something about the chin and jawline. I can't really describe it, but I see it with every tranny.

I have feeling, and as time goes on it gets stronger, so I don't know what you'd call that.

>this entire thread

heavy make up so you can't even see the actual face due to contouring, no hips huge hands, shoulders wider than hips, also hard to tell but lack of fat deposits on the outer thigh.

Testosterone in men influences how bones are shaped, I think, during puberty.

FUCK OFF
SERIOUSLY FUCK RIGHT OFF
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FUCKING DEGENERATES NECK YOURSELVES
YOU'RE THE REASON I DON'T TELL PEOPLE I'M GAY
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trauma

Yeah, it's like with the transgender athlete debate. Men and women have totally different body structures. You can really see it with trannies.

It's actually quite hard to determine sex of archaeological findings because you rarely have a complete skeleton

Testosterone has a few effects such as more bone around the jaw and brow

It's actually estrogen that causes most of the changes. It has the effect of capping bone growth, which is why females are smarter in structure.
Eunuch who got castrated before puberty would actually grow rather tall and have long limbs and wide shoulders\chests.

thelibertarianrepublic.com/transgender-mma-fighter-destroys-female-opponent/

Critics are scrutinizing mixed martial arts (MMA) competitor Fallon Fox, after the transgender fighter gave her opponent a concussion and broke her eye socket.

In a post-fight interview this week, Brents told Whoa TV, “I’ve never felt so overpowered ever in my life.”

“I’ve fought a lot of women and have never felt the strength that I felt in a fight as I did that night. I can’t answer whether it’s because she was born a man or not, because I’m not a doctor,” she stated. “I can only say, I’ve never felt so overpowered ever in my life, and I am an abnormally strong female in my own right. ”

advocate.com/sports/2014/09/22/ufc-womens-champ-refuses-fight-trans-athlete-fallon-fox

"It's a case-by-case scenario thing," Rousey explained of squaring off against trans fighter Fallon Fox. "I've tried to research it a lot. I feel like if you go through puberty as a 'man' it's not something you can reverse. … There's no undo button on that."

>The nervous system is divided into two camps. There is the central nervous system which is your brain and your spinal cord. Then there is the peripheral nervous system which is everything else. The central nervous system (the brain and spinal cord) if you injure that as far as we know, it’s permanent. The nerve cells may die, they may not die but they certainly don’t reconnect where they should connect. That stops signals getting through which is why you get problems of paralysis of loss of sensation depending on where the damage is. That’s why a stroke is so disabling.

>In the skin the nerve cells there seem to be able to survive. They also seem to be able to re-grow their targets so they go back to where they should have gone in the first place. They reconnect to, if it was a muscle they were supposed to be supplying, they’ll reconnect with the muscle. If it was a patch of skin they can branch out and re-supply the skin so you do get sensation back. Nerves grow quite slowly, probably a couple of millimetres a day. So if you’ve got a big injury the length of your arm it can take a few weeks before the nerves can get back to your arm. The sensation may not be absolutely perfect because some nerve cells might die but you should get coverage of the skin back afterwards.

>What happens when you break the nerve the actual cell inside is just one massive long cell. The distal bit (the bit downstream of the cut site) will degenerate. It retracts and forms this little lump bulb. This thing grows back along the original path of the nerve so it uses the original pathway of the nerve as a guide. Rather like a motorway cone. It uses the cones and lays down a new road surface, which is the nerve, and it gets back to where it was supposed to attach. The distal site it was supposed to attach to switches on various markers so it can recognise it and off it goes!

>It's actually quite hard to determine sex of archaeological findings because you rarely have a complete skeleton

That's what reconstruction tech is for, user. Now you can usually determine it.

Where do you live? I'm assuming it's not glorious montreal?

marshtide.dreamwidth.org/42737.html

it's pretty easy to tell the difference and here is how they do it, hint men and women are different , they are built differently.

There are a lot of different skeletal clues that can be used in determining the sex of a skeleton.

The differences here come from actual function, which makes them the best guide when it comes to dealing with the bones.Overall one is looking at things like the width of the pelvis (wider in female skeletons).

Broader pelvis: more female. Narrow chunky pelvis: more male. That is to say, could a baby get out through there or not?

Well, you broke a bunch of laws for no reason and type like a faggot.

But good job sticking it to those maymay bigots, right? You freak of nature.

Never. Trannies are mentally wrecked. Don't believe me? Go to /lgbt/ and look at the many trip fags and "am I passing" thread.

Thanks for letting a tranny know what the skeletal differences are, totally never looked into this before

Threatening violence in response to someone threatening damage to your property is illegal?

How is this possible with a surgery? That totally looks like a woman. Even the bone structure is that of a women.

not only the skeleton but fat deposits are different, muscle mass , size, and shape are all different as well. women generally have longer muscles where as men have shorter muscles, why men are generally stronger , shorter muscles give more torque .

but hey it's all what ya feel like, just remember gender is decided but sexuality is biological you are born gay or straight and you choose your biology. so you could be born a gay man, but transition into a straight woman, you could also transition back into a gay man if you wanted to, but you will always be gay. and they say it's not a mental illness

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Hey you fucking leaf cuck, how about you learn the law first before making retarded claims like the mongloid degenerate fuccboi you are. Kill yourself.

Brandishing a weapon is only illegal if your life isn't being threatened. You're dumb, and I fucked your sister in her mouth.

Evidently you still have issues or else you wouldn't be talking about them. Do you still have the fantasies?

If the technology ever became perfect I would turn myself into a cute 18 yr old girl in an instant

> but you will always be gay.
Imagine what I feel like when I have sex with other transgirls

It's literally TWICE as homosexual are regular gay sex

>mfw ugly women reject me

Should I be happy, or sad?

It's time for me to post true trannies, one that represents 99.9% of all MtF. Feel free to join me.

wikihow.com/Pack-for-Transgender-Men

Decide. Do you want to hard pack or soft pack? Hard packing is wearing a strap on under your clothes for sex play, while soft packing is just to create a bulge and is done with a variety of objects.

Soft packing is a bit easier than hard, so it is advised to do this first to get a feel for packing.

Try a rolled up sock and put it in some tight briefs. You can add a safety pin so your packer does not come loose and roll down your leg.

TOP FUCKING KEK when your fake penis rolls down your leg and falls of the floor

"no"

it's chromosomes all the way down

...

That chub tho

Fuck I want a chubby girl to abuse

well yeah, because you both have penises so it's gay sex, as a "woman", do you put your erect vagina into "her" butthole or does "she" put her erect vagina in your butthole, opps did i say vagina i meant penis, because you are both men, yikes.

Look at this beautiful """""""womyn."""""""

>when you're chatting up a girl at the club and your pseudopenis slowly begins to descend down the leg of your pants and out onto the floor.

The reaction must be golden.

remember when men dressing as women was comedy?

On a similar note, how do you explain it to a friend/family member/boss if you're talking to them and a rolled-up suck falls out of your pants?

and you thought spilling your spaghetti was bad

*sock

Hey Anons, beware current (((research))). There is a cure. I repeat, THERE IS A CURE. I posted this a while back, but I couldn't find it in any (((archive))). So here goes nothing.

1. GID comorbidity

>**
>Gender Identity Disorders and Bipolar Disorder comorbidity is approximately 45%

ajp.psychiatryonline.org/doi/full/10.1176/ajp.2007.164.7.1122

>Comorbidity of psychiatric disorders in trans-patients
ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/20727112

2. Medication of trans patients w/ positive outcomes

legend:
>##: possible relationship between GID and Epilepsy?
>&&: possible relationship between GID % Bi-Polar disorder?

Epilepsy correlation & medication

>Anticonvulsant Therapy Protocol to Treat Autogynephilic Addiction using Sodium Valproate/ Epival (Epilepsy drug)

transgression.com/Books/AcceptableLosses/OnlineMaterial/TreatmentProtocol?LanguageCode=en-US

>##
>Case #15: transexuality disappears when epileptic patient is administered Phenantoin (Epilepsy drug)

transgression.com/Assets/Downloads/symposion, walinder, a study of forty-three cases, case reports.html

>##
Gender dysphoria "cured" by status epilepticus.

ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/25653301

Bi-polar disorder medication

>&& AND ##
>FAAB Patient reports change in dysphoric attitudes while on Lamictal/ Lamotrigine which is a mood stabilizer (Bi-Polar drug)

psychforums.com/gender-identity-disorder/topic68612.html

ahhh " rolled up 'suck' " Freudian slip you are a gay lord!

damage is already done , you's a gay now.

not an argument

Cont'd

>&&
>TG patient given schizophrenia drug clozapine (antipsychotic) and lithium carbonate (Bi-Polar drug) at which point GID allegedly remisses

AGP

>&&
>Commenter reports: "A family member admitted AGP thoughts to me that were gone after being treated for bipolar."

4thwavenow.com/2015/10/15/an-interview-with-uk-writer-activist-and-critic-of-pediatric-transition-stephanie-davies-arai/#comment-6148

See ** above

>Case where Autogynephilia disappeared with the administration of Leuprolide (anti-androgen/ T blocker/ chemical castration).

patheos.com/blogs/warrenthrockmorton/2015/06/12/what-kind-of-woman-is-caitlyn-jenner-part-two-of-a-qa-on-autogynephilia-with-michael-bailey/

>Autogynephilic patient is treated with psychotropic drugs (inconclusive outcome) (was on depakote, but stopped taking it b/c of side effects)
GID occuring alongside brain injuries

Transvestites

>Treatment of Transvestic Fetishism With Fluoxetine: A Case Report (SSRI)

ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3940015/

>OCD and transvestism: is there a relationship?
onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1034/j.1600-0447.2001.00294.x/full

Remission

>Adult gender identity disorder can remit.
>See PDF
>POSSIBLE CATCH: bjp.rcpsych.org/content/172/5/452.3
ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/10929795

>Gender identity change in transsexuals. Follow-up and replications.
>No medicine administered

ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/464738?dopt=Abstract

Phone keyboard is really shit and i turned off autocorrect. I miss stuff sometimes.

thats actually awesome that they are going to cure it. it is a mental illness, and it's not doing any good enabling dangerous behavior.

According to surveys, 4.6 percent of the overall U.S. population has self-reported a suicide attempt, with that number climbing to between 10 and 20 percent for lesbian, gay or bisexual respondents. By comparison, 41 percent of trans or gender non-conforming people surveyed have attempted suicide.Mar 5, 2015

make America great again

I'm not arguing. I'm stating a fact

Forgot link:

>>Autogynephilic patient is treated with psychotropic drugs (inconclusive outcome) (was on depakote, but stopped taking it b/c of side effects)

mdedge.com/currentpsychiatry/article/62459/gender-dysphoria-im-man