What is your favorite pre-modern civilization?

Byzantine is the obvious patrician choice. Justinian law prevails even today, and Belisarius's exploits are celebrated even to this day. Heraclius's wisdom and acceptance of Islam is noted in the Qu'ran, Basil II's brutality against ugly Bulgars is famous and respected. Constantine XI's final stand has gone down as the most honorable emperor to die, and with it the most interesting empire. To be back in those days, at Dara fighting for my general, or at Carthage, defeating pathetic barbarians, or even Rome, holding the line during a great siege, love

Song Dynasty China famalam

Pretty fucking sweet desu, an oriental rennaissance of art, poetry and architecture

Pre-Mongol Rus'
Good relations with Vikings/Varyags, Byzantians treated us like brothers (when we weren't marching on Constantinople for lulz) and gave us technology.
Novgorod had legit parliamentary democracy. Nature was unspoilt.

>Rus Slavs squatting in peace.
>A Slav would squat without fear of Mongol.
>Even Nords would join in this act, squatting as brothers.

Truly a great time Ivan.

Rome, and I'm not sure if 1500s+ counts since that's technically Early Modern, but Renaissance Florence and Rome again.

>So damn A E S T H E T I C
>1 in 3 people you know will die of plague

This is how I know you are 12.

Niggers, they have managed to keep it unchanged all these years because it was already perfect.

Rome/golden age of Islam. Are the only 2 answers.

Byzantine was gay asiatic mud shit. Their culture does not feel white.

The Roman Empire under Augustus.

Who doesn't love a nice Pax Romana?

The Rhomaioi and Greekioi as they called themselves were the true continuation of the Roman legacy, with roman law as their foundation and greek secular/pagan learning mixed with Christianity. They were a barrier to Muslim invaders of Europe in the east, they invented the Cyrillic alphabet and encouraged the slavs to worship Christianity in their own tongues while the catholicism forced latin on everyone. In a time of ignorance they encouraged learning and with their impressive culture they turned former enemies into their own servants. When they did fall after centuries of invasion by slavs, rus, Bulgars, turks and Latins the Greeks who fled to italy would spark the Renaissance which would define western culture, religion and history.

They were white.

The Aztecs had early access to psychedelics, gave them access to a higher plane of spirituality than could be attained in the Old World.

safavid empire, then roman empire, then antebellum (southern) america even though it's i think late modern civ, but it's easily contrasted with modern america

Italian renaissance, so I can marry a qt and die together at age 30

Not really Renaissance, that's more Middle Ages. Most people who lived past age 5 in the Renaissance would live to their 50s-70s, especially in big cities.

>tfw you will never take arms with your bros against the largest empire in the world and make it look like you're shitposting but in reality you're advancing the ideals of the Enlightenment and creating the greatest nation in the history of the world and your founding documents and ideas become a blueprint for all of humanity...

No. That's not "the middle age". That the 14th century that was known to have huge plagues, setting back the hygienes standard hundreds of years before because of a general paranoia about water.

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14th century is the late Middle Ages. The Early Modern Period begins at around the Fall of Constantinople in 1453.

Source on this 'paranoia of water'? Most hygiene myths about the Middle Ages is complete rubbish, and most definitely doesn't apply to the Renaissance once in full swing, so around 1470+.

Big cities had cleaners, running water, baths and toilets.

What do you think this election has been famalam?

14th century starts in 1300 dumb nut.
1453 was in the 15th century.
There are plenty of articles about that. But in western europe, hygienes got worse in the Renaissance that they were in the Middle age because (remains of the roman influence)
todayifoundout.com/index.php/2011/05/why-bathing-was-uncommon-in-medieval-europe/

Why do you think I'm here, friendo?

That's what I said. English please, frog.

>14th century is the late Middle Ages.

>the Early Modern Period begins at around the Fall of Constantinople in 1453.

Accounts of medieval hygiene are wildly exaggerated. People did bathe, especially the upper classes who had servants to bring them hot water etc. Some palaces and castles had bathrooms. A queen would certainly have bathed quite often. Monasteries often had piped water and sewer systems.

The common people didn't bathe as often, but then this remained the case up until the 20th century. Most people didn't have indoor plumbing, so bathing was hard work. How often do you think you would bathe, if you had to fetch buckets of water from a well or fountain, heat them up over a fire, fill and empty the tub by hand? I doubt you would do all that every day. Most common people in medievalmtomes had work quite hard to have a bath. There is also some evidence thst people may have taken forms of "sponge baths" using pitchers of water and small towles, moistening and wiping themselves down. There are also references to people washing their heads. There are many references to people washing their feet. Toothpicks were used to remove food from between teeth, and health manuals ascised rinsing out the mouth with solutions of wine or vinegar and scrubbing the teeth with towels. People also chewed on mallows, reedy olants that grew in marshy areas and from which the substance "marshmallow" was originally derived. Soap was made domestically by combining potash from wood ashes with rendere animal fat.

Gibbon please leave.

You were literally living in mudhuts while the ERE was a thing.

The Scythian Tribes

Destroyed the Assyrian Empire,
Went at war against the first Persian Empire for years,
Experts at making Macedonian armies disappear from thin air when they crossed the Danube,
Destroyed the Bactrian Kingdom,
A large percentage of the Parthian Empire military was composed of Scythian tribesmen, they fought against the Roman Republic and Empire for centuries

Finding an unopened Scythian noble burial mound is like hitting the jackpot, since they mad ceremonial / burial armor made of golden scales from all the plundering of empires they did for centuries.

Fucking horse archers. Always hated these cunts on Rome Total War.

They are worst in Roma Surrectum 3.

Ancient China
>personal space
>less poo
>vibrant art, architecture, culture

>high medieval
>population boom
>Italian city states
>Thomas Aquinas
>Turks getting btfo
>lowest point

don't speak too soon OP. Yah never know what life might have in store for you.

that's the late middle ages

Fun fact: That image is from Stockholm, 16th century I believe (maybe 17th).

If I could choose, I'd pick 19th century New York City. Basically the Victorian era, that was the golden age.

No it's not, it's Visby on Gotland you fucking pleb

Honestly, I think American Indians had it made. Granted there were some savage tribes that would eat each other and shit.

Savage fucking tribes. Get fucked. We conquered those fuckers 2,000 years ago and then again 1,500 years later.

>we

you're a paki dude, the only thing you managed to conquer was the toilet.

Oh wow. The 60%er has returned to tell me about how awful my country is.

>60% white
>white kids are already a minority in their age group
>media/education/banks all run by jews
>fight wars for the jews on the other side of the planet
>mutilate their sons genitals cause mr rosenberg said so
>white guilt over slavery worse than nazi guilt
>worships niggers one month every year
>elected nigger twice over white guilt
>normalized coalburning
>normalized homosexuality
>in the process of normalizing trans shit
>home of radical feminism
>ground zero for all modern degenerate anti white propaganda
>at the front of pushing the islamophobia shit
>clockboy gets a free scholarship to top universities and white house for bringing a old clock to school despite the family being on record for race baiting
>biggest shooting ever gets ignored because the shooter was muslims
>tolerates a black domestic terrorism group

Get the fuck out faggot.

I don't know man. Working 9 to 5 nowadays is pretty shit. I look back and think maybe it's best to live a simple life.

autistic post from a paki

fuck off shitskin

>being this butthurt

It sounds appealing in theory but all the myths about Medieval hygiene really come true when you're talking about tribes who were literally at about a Bronze Age level of advancement when they were conquered in the 15th century, they hadn't even invented actual swords, and their religion makes Indo-European tribal Paganism look blissful.

Fuck that. I'd rather live in a civilised (white) society.

Probably the neo/meso/paleo-lithic

It was a literal eden

If your answer is not Rome, you are not true Cred Forumsack.

BTFO, SHART ON SUICIDE WATCH

>inb4 cuck memes lol come up with something new, retards

notice how the pakis come to defend their poopoo peepee countryman

disgusting

The glorious indigenous australian empire.

Then it collapsed and all traces vanished.

>:^)

ave

I'm whiter than you mr. 60%

Chicago - 1893

Why are you still talking? You came into this thread and interrupted an actual discussion to call a few people pakis. Just fuck off, there's a high chance I'm talking to a spic or a nigger right now.

1893 isn't pre-modern. 1453 and under is pre-modern.

You're delusional if you think some fat cunts sitting in front of a screen is comparable to the the founding of america. Christ I can't wait for this election to be over

Roman Republic before the rampant corruption.

I was replying to that guy's picture. Not offering an answer to OP.

>w-why are you calling me out for calling me what I am! A paki!

chug a gallon of bleach Mackmoud and go back to your shithole of a """country"""

I want to live in the time when 99.9% of you would be dead.
Dead from from birth defects
Dead from being weak
Dead from being stupid

>Hur dur, I wanna be a knight with a sword!
>I'm 400lbs and would be fine in Medieval Europe
>I'm a white pure bred Arayan so I'd be a king or something or a knight
>400lbs of Knight baby WOOOO
>I could be my WoW character in REAL! OMGZ

Most of you would be dead if it wasn't for this cushy ass western civilization.

Kids in 3rd world countries die from simple disease.

>not Baroque

Full pleb.

>Anyone weak gets BTFO
>Money is made of steel
>Train since young, body of a god

My bad.

You're embarrassing yourself.

That's my only problem. The Late Roman Republic was plagued by corruption, but it was so much more interesting. I'd go see the Battle of Alesia.

I heard Minoan civilization was pretty nice. The women walked around topless and nobody cared, strong male-dominated society, keeping slaves meant you had enough time for theater and philosophy, nice climate, all in all it sounds like thy had a good thing going on.

Ancient Egypt under the Ptolomeys sounds comfy too, long as you were a normie and not a slave.

what was that?

did you say something nigger?

>pic old but that's my arm you're looking at

Eh I'm probably romanticizing it because I hate my job.

stop speaking about white civilization as if your "people" had anything to do with it lol

white people were creating civilization when you were still eating your shit mackmoud

>stop speaking about white civilization as if your "people" had anything to do with it

They did. That's why Canada, America, Australia and New Zealand are first world white countries, and I use both of those words loosely in reference to America.

The Spanish weren't so successful in South America.

>does not feel white

nice photoshop dude I can do the same

>smelly pakis

lol

the only thing your people created was shit on the side of the road dude, don't take out your frustration at a lack of civilization on me you dirty smelly paki

>paki
>from 99% white country
Yeah sure thing m8

Not an argument faggot. Try again.

Rome since I am a degenerate.

>t-t-that's photoshopped, p-p-paki... "how can he be so white??"

here have another, on the house

>99% white country
>europe

you're not white mohammed

fuck off spic, go argue about the wall that's going to kick you back to your spic shit hole lol

Classical Viking Iceland and their wacky parliament.

see, pic nigger

...

>population boom
followed by a huge decline from plague
>Italian city states
because what's better than a unified country than a fractured empire?
>Thomas Aquinas
failed to reunite Catholics and Orthodox as was tasked
>Turks getting btfo
you have your history backwards. we took the Holyland from the muslim caliphate only to lose it to the Turks. then we retook it briefly only to lose it again.

fuck off paki go photoshop pictures taken off Cred Forums in durka land

>literally ayy lmao-the religion
agreed

Just stop, it's embarassing man.

City states were much better utilized in the Renaissance than the medieval period, especially Northern Italy, and everything else he said would be true if he had of forwarded it a few centuries further.

No shit, best lore.

Name a more intricate grumble fest than europe

The Roman Republic.

>because what's better than a unified country than a fractured empire?

now compare north italy (city states) and the south (naples and sicily)

>the denial

have a fresh one, made photographed just for (you) :3

now don't steal this to prove you're white, ok? :^)

>What is your favorite pre-modern civilization?

Probably Ancient China during the Warring States period. So many cultures, philosophies, knowledge accumulated for thousands of years.

Endless treasures of high culture and mystic knowledge.

this

God damn you Hart Cellars. I want to go back.

Renaissance was during the middle ages

Ancient Greece probably

Well it began in the mid 1300s, but what people associate with the Renaissance all came under the Early Modern Period which was after 1453.

and the silence of defeat is deafening

damn england brings the bantz once more,
don't foget
>ruining europe by forcing a huge exodus of arabs

Civilization is cancer so none

Its supposed to show the plundering of Visby by danish king Valdemar Atterdag back in 1361.

But the town the painter used in his painting isnt actually Visby, but some German city. And there is a jew in the pic - jews came to Sweden in the 1500's. That dog breed didnt exist either.

There are several flaws like that.

Roman republic

>skinny fat
Hit the gym, thanks.

I have guns though

Airsofts won't protect you.

>this obtuse

not everyone is poor and underaged like (you)

Oh? What gun do you have?

>t. säpo

nice try, I'll post pics of my arm all day everyday, but I'm not revealing anything else

I can defend myself, thanks for your concern :^)

Minoan civilization

...

Yeah, because säpo would give a shit if a skinny fat swede has an unlicensed weapon.
You don't have a gun, it's fine. You gave it away a few posts ago either way.

>reverse psychology

I don't care if you believe me or not.

haters gona hate

cucks gona cuck

I'll go with Minoan/Akrotiri culture. Birthplace of Western civilization.

Of course you don't.
Go back to reading that book while licking your leaf pen.
Damn leaf.

heh

The proud German cities of the Holy Roman Empire

Please don't say that you went to a turk and bought a fucking Luger..
Oh well, it's something.

No, I don't own a gun, I'm totally unarmed and skinny fat loser :^)

You got fucked up, lad.

My fellow brother responded with actual depth to your nigger-tier response. You don't deserve America.

This is what 60% non-White does to you folks, you have been warned.

Ancient India, because they clearly all had pornstar tits back then.

Danzig? You mean Gdańsk.

>t. polish diaspora

Not enough Rome in here

Probably the Roman Republic after they started building aqueducts, but prior to going down the road to empire.

Assuming you're a regular citizen, your living standards would be a hell of a lot higher under the Empire and Rome would be a lot more politically secure, even under some less than credible Caesars.

IM A LEAF PAY ATTENTION TO ME OR ILL SHITPOST WAAAA

And I would also have to worry about the Caesars debasing the currency, which actually is a big deal. If I were going to pick imperial times, I would probably want to pick during Augustus' time.

But either way, the aqueducts are a big deal. They are what kept Roman cities livable. People who like the medieval times probably haven't looked into just how fucking filthy the cities were.

>lowest point

I want to hurt you

Ancient Egypt
>pyramids
>yakub
>women who could smell over the horizon
>kangz

Rome around the time of Caesar

>wake up as a medieval peasent
>eat fried pigs blood for breakfast
>realize that your child died from the flue
>feed it to the only pig you have left
>go to your little farm and work for the entire day
>get some crops and sell it at the market
>as soon as you try to leave a man with a sword comes and takes half of your money as tax
>realize you can't buy anything except a potato
>you have to kill your last pig so you dont starve
>the pig was sick and you ate is so now you are sick
>lay in bed the entire day in extreme pain wanting to die
>die

Yea it sure was great in the Medieval wester Europe.

Well it depends on where you lived, and in what period of the Medieval era. By the late Medieval era/Early Modern period, they were the most advanced any civilisation had been up until that point.

The lower class parts of Rome, with people living in Insulas (basically Roman apartment blcoks) would've been hellish, whether under the Republic or Emperor, but overall, having one man in charge seemed to be much more secure for Rome. But atleast under the Empire and after the Augustus reforms, there were jobs available and ways to make money as opposed to slaves doing cheap labour, as well as a much steadier supply of food since Egypt was actual Roman territory, and the farmlands surrounding Rome could produce without civil wars and invading tribes (until the late Empire once more.)

I don't think we'd be living in any marble buildings to put it quite simply.

we get it, post-wwii europe has castrated itself

Rome, Byzantium. Rest is shit.

>realize potato is a new world vegetable and you are actually in modern day Romania

Not being familiar with history in 2016 with all available sources and new methods for historians to uncover things is a bit degenerate, but if you don't know history, atleast just admit that.

The medieval period also covers from around the Fall of Rome to 1453. So which part is it?

Medieval Europe, when Saracens needed to be killed.

Deus vult, brother!

I actually forgot about that. What was the most used vegatable in that time?

For me, I really buildings that are a mix of victorian/colonial architecture, say before WW1. For europe, this was also the highest point of western civilisation.

Too bad the dynasty itself was one of the least successful in actually controlling all of China, and went on to be BTFO by mongols.

I have no idea.

I'm not intrested in medieval period at all. I do know a lot about the time period from Napoleon up until now. As it was the most intresting period in European history imo.

But again, pre-WW1 as in, even a century before, isn't pre-modern.

Pre modern is before 1453.

Yeah, those blocks would have sucked. You probably would have wanted to have lived during Marius' time if you had to live in one of those, because at least you had the option of joining the army as a way out. Not that being part of a Roman legion wasn't a tough life with risks, but I'm pretty sure that we'd find anything pre-modern as pretty tough and brutal.

I will always maintain that plumbing in urban areas is a must, however.

I don't even take an interest in the medieval period (The Renaissance/Early Modern Period and Roman Republic/Empire for me) but I can differentiate dumb stereotypes from actuality.

It was meant to be a joke. No need for insults.

IIRC, crops like wheat and rye were the most important in medieval times. It wasn't until after the black death had passed that more and more variety in food started popping up.

BTW, what is Cred Forums considering modern times? The start of the industrial revolution?

I think what would make being a Legionaire for me is being part of a legendary army, like Caesar's single Legion that conquered and held Rome, or the legions that burned down Carthage.

Otherwise, I'd say fuck the 25 year citizenship requirement and leave. The amount of hard work they did, like building a fort and taking it down every night and day, would be too much

Its the danish king plundering Visby, Gotland.

AsSaid. Skrob.

Is...
is that a picture of Nottingham ?

Then it's obviously the Aztec empire, their blood gods, and the sacrificial altars of Tenochtitlan

And there was the opportunity for plunder.

visby gotland

fuck your nothinham bong

The late modern times yes.

I wonder how people in the future will call this period.

Space period maybe? As it was the single most important thing that humanity acomplished.

The age of memes.