$15 an hour? Meet your replacement

$15 an hour? Meet your replacement.

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only works on the nice side of town

This will happen regardless of how low the wage

implying cooks are also mechanical

Those things are fucking annoying.

yeah because if we kept the wage at 7.25, it's magically cheaper to not have totally automated machines.

you stupid cocksucker.

>warming up small mono-sized pieces of meat is impossible to automate!

I'm sure they thought bottling liquor would never be automated too

>Japan
>Incredulity at robots
That's a new one
Make a machine that assembles sandwiches with a series of hoppers and a conveyor belt and you've turned a 10 man fast food joint into a 30minute stop by a technician in a work truck servicing 20 McDonalds

You still need the wagecucks actually making the orders

t. someone who lives near a burgerjoint with this system

What's the endgame for an automated workforce? How will people earn money? A base wage for everyone will just demotivate them to achieve anything.

To be fair this would have happened anyway.

This

Then make the minimum wage $500/hr. Everybody will only have to work a couple hours a week to pay the bills. No more full-time positions!

They fucking should be.

Yes
You fucking dumbass
It's currently cheaper to have 5 niggers work for 7.30 an hour working a register with pictograms than the overtime cost+upkeep of an automated self service machine and 2 guys in the back putting burgers on the conveyor belt to the front.

>Multi-billion dollar international companies cant afford to pay their workers more than the legally allowed minimum.

Try not to choke on that circumcised cock you libertarian fucktards.

Meh, not necessarily. These things are computers and will need more IT support than the POS systems currently in place.

IT guys aren't cheap and McD's will need an army of them if they implement this on any large scale.

>people earn money

working for the government

this is why i fight for 15.

i want to see 90% of dems lose their jobs to 15 an hour.

the lower the wages, the more its delayed.

humans are just advanced bio-androids if they're enslaved with very little upkeep cost.

there is no competing with an android like that.

It's a fucking screen.

>Implying that the only people making under 15 dollars an hour are fast food workers
>Implying states couldn't pass laws not allowing this shit
>Implying this wouldn't create economic growth

wew, cuckservatives need to die. 15$ might be too high but if you think a minimum wage that doesn't respond to inflation that was set during the fucking cold war doesn't need raising you're an autist.

This is great. Bydlo will starve and die, and us engineers will have more jobs.
These terminals and the burger conveyors you proposed will need to be repaired and maintained.

This is the real reason for rising minimum wage - it will eliminate jobs depending on menial labor and force idiots to educate themselves and become engineers, scientists and artists.

Your country is already on that problem nip-san

mass unemployment and a giant handout society isnt actually a good thing for anyone

I fucking love those automated ordering machines.
I feel embarrassed to order anything too specific when I'm dealing with a human, but with those I can order whatever the fuck I want

>force idiots to become engineers, scientists, and artists

Are you fucking stupid? Why would you want sub-100 IQ people working as engineers or scientists?

>'currently'
soon

>what is a cost-benefit analysis?

Any idiot can be an artist. Even a monkey can paint.

>power and maintenance on a self service machine costs more than 7.30/hr

You're a fucking idiot, stop posting now.

>You can't possibly make a machine that flips a patty every 5 minutes

yes it is. total unemployment would be utopia.

its an american, you did not mention a burger or a gun, it does not understand you.

That costs money
The program it runs and the computer that program is on also costs money

I know "money" is an alien concept to liberal idiots who think devaluing our purchasing power by 50% and wiping out everyone's savings is a good idea, but lets say licensing fees, equipment, and upkeep cost ~$9 and the minimum wage is 7.30. why would a business pay more going to automation?

Now grok the minimum wage being $15 an hour and an automated systems effective cost per hour being ~$9. Why would you hire human workers and take money out of your own pocket as a small business owner franchisee?

But it wont.

It will increase welfare dependants, thus expanding government control into more citizens lives.

Your idea is actualky great, but the problem (from the ruling elite's perspective) is that financially independant well educated people tend to be more likley to be free thinkers.

The ideal citizen to them is too poor to effect anything, but not poor enough to revolt.

Spotted the stupid burger.
When you educate a person, or better yet, force him to educate himself in order to survive, his intelligence magically improves! Who would have thought?
Of course, the best option would be to gather all the people who cannot into STEM into some sort of educational camps where they would be separated from ghetto/white trash parents and raised like actual humans.

not to mention that the screens only do one thing. and if you ask it to mop a floor or run an order out to a waiting car, well.. your fucked.

Cut welfare desu
Yeah, the gov't doesn't want educated people. However, we can and should fool them into creating more educated people.

>education increases intelligence

rofl

$65 an hour?
Hello automation?

I work at a 250MW co-gen plant. Total number of operators that run the plant is 2.

One on the panel one at the unit. Sure we have outside workers to do maintenance and such but for 95% of the time two people run the unit.
Would it be better if we had 10 people making $10/hr and almost no automation?

My friend works in a gas plant that processes enough natural gas to supply 2.5 million people. They run with a crew of 3 because half the plant was made in the 70s and needs way more attention than the modern add-on.
Why do people think that low paying labor intensive work is something anyone should be doing if automation is possible?

For scale the unit I work in is large enough that I ride a bike around inside to save time, or because I have almost nothing to do and enjoy riding the bike for a few hours each shift.

Who needs flipping?

You run them along a wire mesh conveyor with heating elements on both sides and it pops out the other end fully cooked.

>McDonalds

Won't exist by the end of the decade. People avoid it like the plague nowadays. So fucking bad and unreasonably expensive.

Pay one guy ~$50,000 a year to service the registers and burgertron9000 and a guy $15 an hour to clean the tables, floors, and shitter.

Cheaper than having 5+ staff making $15 an hour to perform worse than their rapidly approaching replacement

Amazing how the upkeep cost of the automated machine is _just_ more expensive than the current minimum wage. Where'd you get your numbers, out of your own ass or someone else's?

These things aren't going to completely eliminate McDonalds employees. They can't mop the floor or take out the trash.

But there will be a tradeoff. Even though McD's will be able to dump a lot of low level employees, they're still going to need an army of IT folks to keep these things running.

If you sat down and did the math it probably only reduces their overhead by a few percentage points... but when you have a business such as McDonalds that operates on razor thin margins to begin with, that few percentage points can still be a significant cost saver.

If we could just cut wefare it would be great.

You know who relies on welfare in burgerland?

Blacks and mexicans mostly.

Cutting thier welfare?! Hell no, that would be racist!

Its the secret to our democratic parties power. They control the welfare programs and keep the proles voting for them.
A family living pureley on welfare voting to cut welfare would be like you trying to convince your boss to fire you with no plans or ability to get a new job.

Never used one, not too sure I'd like it.

I fucking hate the self checkout lane Walmart has. Sensor must have been broke as shit because instead of being done in two minutes flat scanning and paying for the few items I had to buy I spent longer than what would have been necessary if I went to the lane with the cashier chick that does not know how to shut the fuck up and just do her damn job thanks to constantly needing to pick up and sit my items back down in the bag and juggle shit around. I'm sure the screens on this thing will get nasty because some snot nosed little brat decides to sneeze all over fucking everything, then every other asshole that places an order behind the little cunt has to drag their fucking fingers right through the shit's mucus because nobody there bothers cleaning things enough. So enjoy ordering the wrong thing, or too many of the right thing, or getting pigbird flu.

That's a higher wage than I'll be getting first year out of medical school.

no it wouldn't idiot
thats a fast track to distopia

try thinking beyond the paper thin surface of the fucking concept and get real

>McDonalds can afford the opportunity cost of installing kiosks
>lobbies for increased minimum wage to price small businesses out of market
>????
>Profit

Anyone who thinks minimum wage isn't being pushed by big business is probably getting fucked in the ass at the moment.

It doesnt take that long to clean stuff.

You could pay one guy to do janitorial service for several chains, same goes for maintenance.

Im talking about how the robot will do it

There are companies that outsource cleaning. Looking at paying roughly $25/hr for it; they then pay their cleaners roughly $10/hr.

Source: I have to hire some.

WHAT IS ECONOMICS

>Can't even pay their employees $15 an hour
I get $20 p/hr to talk shit, watch porn with the chef and wash dishes in a cafe

Americans BTFO

>itt:r-selected ubi marxists
every time

Is burger harder to cook than ramen ?

youtube.com/watch?v=UKSiUK45iQU

newsexaminer.net/food/mcdonalds-to-open-25000-robot-run-stores-by-2016/
I can't find the article but McDonalds has already shown and used a fully self-contained shipping container restaurant that cooks burgers robotically. No humans involved.

>Because a franchisee can just use menu.exe their intern made in Dreamweaver and not the polished corporate McDonalds burger boutique interface that actually cost money to not look like some shit made by a fullsailU dropout

We have them in every store, McDonalds still hires more people to make and serve their custom burger shit. And our min. wage is 17$ an hour.

Jesus you guys, businesses were employing people at less than optimal profits out of the goodness of their hearts but then you had to go and get greedy and demand more money! This is your guys' fault, they would never have replaced them with robots otherwise!

>$20 p/hr
Not in real money though

Did I read that right? How do you only make $7.25 an hour as a mechanical engineer? That's less than the minimum wage in my state.

Still rather my order go through a flesh and blood human. If they fuck my order up then they deserve to be replaced, since if I go somewhere to order a sandwich, I just want a damn sandwich. You don't have to fluff it up so it's all nice and ready for prom or what the fuck ever, I'll take it how it comes. Nothing fancy required, unless they're a shit place that asks for every last ingredient you want on your sandwich, in which case I'm not eating there anyway. If I order a double cheeseburger and it's supposed to come with tomato and they forgot it, big deal. If I order a double cheeseburger and get anything that isn't a double cheeseburger, then I'll complain. Unless of course they traded up so I'm stuck with a quarter pounder. If I paid for a double and got more, that's on them and I'll enjoy the meal. Nice surprises like that only happen if the thing taking your order is a human that either likes you because they know you or because they think you're cute, funny, or otherwise worth the trouble of getting a little extra.

McDonalds is a franchise faggot. Franchisees can pay what ever they want.

see

nope.

they shouldn't have to. its a waste.

nope. they're super cheap. they cost about 150 dollars a piece, they never break, the software can be written by any college grad, its simple and effective.

stock rising.

as they should. it's too high.

you don't matter.

OH MAN, HAHAHAHAHA, DUDE, DUDE YOU GOT EM, YOU GOT EM, HAAAAAAAAAHAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA 500 DOLLARS AN HOUR, THAT'S HILARIOUS DUDE

they're going to cut down their work force as much as they can regardless of wage

they have those machines in Moscow where min wage is 50 cents an hour

the more jobs they automate the better capitalism can finally collapse to be replaced with glorious techno socialism

>When you educate a person, or better yet, force him to educate himself in order to survive, his intelligence magically improves!
Bratushka it doesn't work that way. A good example is gypsy's and niggers

>An industrial touch screen costs 150 bruh
>I have gentoo I can make you a user interface bruh
>It will totally fly for a franchisee for a multinational corporation that has to use corporate supplied products like a touch screen interface not designed by someone from Cred Forums in 20 minutes with a watermark on it
>The burgertron 9000 never malfunctions bruh why do you need a service technician to go between stores to stock it with precooked beef patties and 50gallon bags of mustard

The actual coding portion of it? Yeah, you're not looking at anything too difficult, nothing that isn't taught in a first or second year coding book. Hell, half of it is already covered by the card reader.

I also note that you only chose to respond to that portion of my post, meaning that you admit the rest of it is correct.

We had these things in our macs for a couple years now. How come burgers don't have them yet? Is it because of unions and stuff like that?

The point is they die out/breed slower if not propped up by government assistance

If tyquonisha didn't get a government check for every child she had she wouldn't have 10 kids

That's why they're trying to women in IT now, to drive down their wages. Sure most of the women are retarded but I'm sure a few know their way around.

They already got them to go into the work force, now it's time to use them in targeted professions.

So your argument is that it's already cheaper if the company is willing to pay the upfront cost

IE what Walmart has done

gg #fightfor15

The machines are restaurants are a lot nicer to use, lots of people dislike the self checkouts but as restaurants really you just stand there and press buttons and your food comes out the other end.

They also can't fuck up your order, well they can but the machine will say who's right.

Peeing in glasses?

We have urinals

kek

What you expect it to be cheaper at the first hour? And you still haven't refuted the other parts. Admit it: You have no argument.

Not engineer guy, but my friend is.

Say you need some stupid but tedious thing designed.

You put out a contract.

Bunch of guys bid on the job

I can do it for $1,000
Fuck him, I can do it fot $950

Etc etc.

Job takes 200 hours.

You just got paid $5 an hour.

Now im not exactly sure if its that way for freelance engineers, but my brother is a freelance programmer and it often works out that way.

Especially since you are competing with chinks who will ALWAYS undercut you in the bids, so the only reason you have to be paid more is that you can do it in less time.

Yeah, sure, 1 week, no problem!
(Cue 100 hour work week for a $1,000 job)

Then taxes kick in.

Congrats, you just wrote the software for dewey cheatham and howe banking's ATM machines for minimum wage!

All your other "points" fall under the umbrella of operating costs. Doubling the price of labor will make paying the upfront cost within one quarter for an automated workforce economically sound. That buck will be passed on to franchisees, but it will be an easier pill to swallow than $13 big Macs and the destruction of all saved wealth in this country

Think about whatever parent pays for your studio apartment and how they would feel if their savings halved in value overnight because of some niggers rioting over "muh right 2 free money!!!"

I saw these in Canada, they were pretty nice.

Never gonna work in ghettos though, they'd be destroyed in a day

The demand for technical jobs will increase exponentially, and the markets will simply make certain professions a norm. The whole notion over machinery taking over and getting rid of currency is idiotic, the labor force will simply be needed for something else.

>millions of menial jobs will be replaced by millions of technical jobs
I don't think that's the way it works.

You are projecting awfully hard there as I own the house I live in along with a few rental properties; the operating costs for this aren't very high and its more than doable nowdays, as we're starting to see.

So yet again the argument is that if you're willing to suffer the up front cost it is economically feasible to have a touch screen ordering system instead of a useless nigger taking orders + affirming you aren't a Windows chef making 7.30 and hour

I for one welcome automation

I would rob the shit out of those

You'd never see that in a black neighborhood.

Niggers can be good scientists too.

natural automation with bring us communist utopia!

>tfw my first job was $18 an hour

They don't carry physical cash. All they carry is pizza and sides. They can't even hold 2-liter beverages. Still a long ways off. I'd love to see them have tazers though. Some anti-Jamal tech.

yes you would. Stolen, broken ones.

Yeh, but $15 USA is what, $24 AUD?

You can't replace Russians in MacDonald's, because they are working for 2$ a hour, yay!
But they actually already placing those things in cafes.

>stock rising.
God help us.

>captcha

>They don't carry physical cash. All they carry is pizza and sides.
>All they carry is pizza and sides.
>pizza and sides.
>implying

What is exchange rates? $20 AUD is probably only around $13USD.
And then it has to be measured in actual buying power.

SHUT THE FUCK UP

>2400/month for flipping burgers
Why are people so retarded?

Ive been tased. Aint that bad.

I would totally ride the lightning just so I can steal some faggot neet's pizza and cheesy garlic bread just so he cant have it.

Good:
>Higher productivity
>More labour force available for other jobs

Bad:
>Oh no we have to find other work for the unskilled in our more prosperous highly automated society

The important thing is making sure everyone has the opportunity to contribute somehow. Then everything else will fall into place.

Those machines stop people from standing around doing nothing wondering what to order. They stop people from saying X and then complaining because they totally said Y and you can't prove otherwise, now you can prove they said X. They are faster for people to get their order in and move on instead of trying to communicate to a new person. You don't have any issues with a lazy employee being slow on a freakin' register as cigarette buyers are visibly twitching from impatience. You don't get that new employee pressing the wrong button and forcing the manager to come over. If someone wants something special they just fucking say they want something special and then the employee's ask. If there is a special then the machine just shows the special instead of having to explain to someone who wants to know every bloody possible detail. All of this means less people fucking about and more people making shit faster, making shit cleaner, helping out when shit gets busy and making more shit in general because the store just made more money and now is offering more options to try and grab more market share.

source: work at a wawa.

wawa > sheetz

>I foolishly think that prices won't keep going up even though we now have automation

Is it spitefulness? Or are you just a bootlicker?

Why does anyone think this is a bad thing? It's called increasing productivity

buy a roomba have it do both

what u gotta do is build a trap, lure the fuckers in, and ZAP MOTHAFUCKA get sum

Tbh those haven't replaced worked in any McDonalds, they have just making ordering smoother.

Kek, poorfag

>more prosperous societey!
>a few hundred top investors make 30% more per year
>average public makes less
>talking heads on the tv point at the stock market in increasingly shrill voices
>tell the increasingly disgruntled public that stocks are at an all time high so theres nothing to complain about

Or have you not been paying attention for the last 2 decades?

Fast-Food is degenerate.

>socialist
>calls others bootlicker

Pottery I tell you.

If you aint part of the 10 percent who control 80 percent of the wealth your a bootlicker bro.

Nothing we can do now but wait for the inevitable revolution/racewar/ww3 to wreck everything and sort it out after its done.

Good. Now i can get shitty McDickles without having to talk to some weave-headed nigger with an attitude.

I'm a barman at Wetherspoons (chain pub in the UK) and while I'm not getting completely replaced by technology, the company is launching an app that allows customers to order drinks and food from their table, without having to interact with the barman, so it will inevitably mean fewer hours of work for us actual humans.

It will be interesting to see what happens to workers when automation becomes more and more prevalent. Since graduating from my MSc (which I got a distinction in), I've applied for about 15 full-time jobs and haven't even been shortlisted for interview at any of them, hence why I'm doing the job that an 18-year-old school dropout could do. Unemployment will surely rise and rise in the next few decades, and I wonder what they'll come up with to combat it.

>be montanan
>never met black people
>think im not racist
>in DC
>order a number 5 with a medium coke and fries
>"so ya wadda nuh fi widduh cowk anna frie wid dat?"
>ummmm....... you wat...
>"ah seh so ya wadda NUH FI widduh COWK annuh FRIE widdat SIR"
>ummmmm...... yes
>recieve number six with no fries
>im not even going to try to talk to this clearly mentally challenged individual about it. Musta been a sympathy hire....
>mfw I find out theyre all mentally challenged and realize I hate all of them.

>feeling kinda wierded out, every black person I have met is acting like a stereotype
>taking dump
>door explodes in
>3 hoodrats
>one in middle has handgun
>pointed right at my face
>"GIBS ME YO WALLET AN PHONE BITCH NIGGUH"
>too stunned, just comply
>wallet contains 5 dollars, phone is blue verizon flip phone they used to give away for free with the plan
>"BITCH WACHOO TRYNA PULL"
>pants around ankles, I shrug
>"Im fuckin poor too dipshit"
>"YOU CALL ME DIPSHIT IMMAH SMOKE YOU CRACKUH"
>gesture at self indicating predicament "so go to prison over 5 bucks, nothing I can do for ya"
>bounces flip phone off my skull, other two nogs each haymaker me right in the goddamned face
>run away
>pick up wallet (sans $5 bill) pick up phone which broke on my face.
>mildly concussed
>stagger back to hotel and decide I hate niggers now

So yeah, since the 1st niggers I ever met were fastfood workers, and I got mugged like that I forever associate my racial hatred for the breed with fastfood joints.

Used to work at a bank as a teller. I saw the writing on the wall...tellers won't exist anymore in another 30 years.

lol

IT guys will get cheaper as there are more and more of them. It is a cycle. Just like low skill jobs, IT will become the new "low skill job"

chefs no

cooks yes can be replaced.

They literally have already invented a burger robot.

youtube.com/watch?v=7-JR2KDRnEY

Are you really that dumb? Those devices have been there for 3 years here (flag). They only help to process clients need faster. It is not economically vialble to have as much cashiers as needed in rush hours when you don't have a 1/10 of the custommers per hours on average. It is mainly a cost/efficiency ratio, and rent price thing than a wage thing.
Ask yourself, how much lines to cashier has the biggest fast food you've been in?

Too bad they would never put a high capacity taser like what law enforcement uses on them. I can see the lawsuits from here.

>implying the average american can operate one of those while craving a burger
>implying people won't smash them when they leave the fries out of the order
>implying niggers won't tear them down

15 minutes with a skimask and crowbar.

Now their $2,000 deliverybot is fucked, and I got free pizza.

Or, and this would take some technical skill, you figure out how to stop one without triggering any alarms, take the pizza, toss it, shit in the box, put it back, send it on its way.

Guy goes to get his pizza, nope, its a giant greasy turd.

New era in the history of the ding dong ditch invented.

this is a bait post right?

surely somebody isn't this stupid when it comes to basic economics, right?

>Unemployment will surely rise and rise in the next few decades, and I wonder what they'll come up with to combat it.

Some form of socialism IS the future (due to automation), but the transition is going to be very long and very rough.

Just put on your resume that you identify as a server bot and they will have to hire you

You will be literally 5x times richer than an average Russian if you earn $15 an hour there.

Just kill me already.

If they made nigger-proof vending machines, they'll make nigger-proof order machines

Russia always looks so nice and beautiful when I see it on VK.com

The women always seem to be nicely dressed and well off. Is this just a selection-bias thing? Or do women have a better go in Russia too?

Keep it up bourgeois scum. The revolution will come sooner.

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Marx was such a fucking loser a mcburger wouldnt even hire him

Also humanity is pretty fucked when we do get there.

You know how people are turning into pussies because there's barely any struggle in their lives? It's going to be 10x worse. I can't even imagine the kinds of struggles people are going to be imagining then.

It's not and it would be stupid to go against technological progress like this just to keep people employed in meaningless jobs. However our current economic systems are not fit to deal with the emerging problems caused by increased productivity and unemployment.

Oh and before the typical "things will get cheaper " fallacy it's good to understand that Abundance is enemy of Capitalism. The less there are problems and scarcity, the less there's opportunities for profit.

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A couple of McDonald's near me have these and it takes like 10 times longer to get my food. Their even more useless than the the.rmployees.

I for one welcome our new AI overlords.

>voted greatest intellectual of the millennium.
>arguably the single most influential human bean of all time besides Jesus and Muhammad (in other words, the most influential person who had to actually articulate something and not just grandfather some spooky meme-magic bullshit)
>NEETs using mom's internet to call him a loser on a Ugandan bottle cap collecting forum

>poor side of town will pay $15 an hour

Yeah it reminds me of the self service checkouts in supermarkets they are fucking useless, always have problems checking out!

It's actually quicker to find a quiet checkout even if you have a handful of items.

Reeeeeeeee

They still need to be built, maintained, programmed, etc. Which means demand for skilled labour. Which just proves that higher min wages drive technological devlopment and productivity as people are employed in skilled jobs rather than unskilled ones.

FAST FOOD WORKERS? AGREED

Ours is that and we still have plenty of people manning the counters because bogans will smash up the machines drunkenly trying to order 2am maccas lmao.

Drunk maccas is mostly all their sales here.

is Australia behind in capcha? jeez

blind people cant order fast food now, eugenics confirmed.

So what you're really saying is that capitalism's constant search for cheap wages is actually slowing technological progress.

Wicked.

>IT
>skilled labour

iit: mericunts cuck for their kike overlords.

>thus far overall, poor, desperate, uneducated, and unprepared countries have tried socialism.
>literally had to scrounge all of their already limited resources on war and war preparation because western 'capitalist' countries are niggers who can't respect other people's choices or sovereignty.
>gee look how bad it went must be cobbunisms fault hurr durr

Meanwhile capitalist countries are only keeping themselves from collapsing into the ground by constantly adopting more and more socialist policies.

youre a retard. get a job faggot

Got a law degree, never practiced law. Just shitposted about sharing and caused the largest states to murder millions. Sounds like a SJW retard to me.

over 50% of labour will be replaced by robots in just few years
that why you are heading to fucking totalitarian wellfare state of neo-communism

>citation needed

I live in a poor area and these are already installed

>single most influential human bean
I will accept that.

>Marxism is literally THE fucking workers movement
>In bizarro capitalist hyperreality people who like Marx must be unemployed or lazy

>IT guys aren't cheap and McD's will need an army of them if they implement this on any large scale.

What is India.

read mises

Meanwhile, capitalists defend a parasitic ruling class that actually does no work.

>dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-3670321/Rise-burger-flipping-machines-Robots-churn-400-burgers-hour-set-work-grill-new-restaurant.html
>youtube.com/watch?v=7-JR2KDRnEY

I want it.

If the cost of automation is lower than the cost of paying workers an increased minimum wage, then 99% of the time the company will automate.

How exactly are people arguing this?

Dude, the average recommended daily calorie intake for an adult male is only 2k. There's not even any nutritional value in that horror show in a cup.

I think my bowls would explode if I consumed this amerifat product.

It amazes me that the 'alt right' hates Marx so much. He was the originator of the redpill against the eternal capitalist Jew. Then again it doesn't really surprise me, Cred Forums plays the same retarded 'political team sport' that the uppity college liberals who pre-post-proto-ironically like Marx do. Filthy contrarians.

The owners of my restaurant are considering closing down the store since minimum wage is going up one dollar every year for the next 5 years. They may not be doing much work but they certainly won't keep dumping money into something that isn't going to return any money.

I don't understand how people don't realize the concept that jobs don't just appear out of thin air. I don't really care how much work they do or do not do as long as I get a paycheck, which they do, because I add value to the business.

this desu
15$/hour is 100kn/hour
minimum wage is 20kn/hour

tip top kek mcdonalds in canada pays more money than "well paying" office job in croatia

To be quite frank, the practice of replacing workers with machines, if it goes too far, will create an army of unemployed and perspectiveless people who will then proceed to vote for retards (only difference per country is whether they will vote for left wing retards ie commies or right wing retards ie nazis)

Price check on Mcdonalds self serve kiosks. I can't find the cost of them anywhere.

"Jew" is a fiction that they've created to explain why capitalism isn't working in the real world. They must believe that there is some evil force out there preventing us from having capitalist utopia when it's really just the bourgeoisie chasing profits in late-stage capitalism. "Jew" is the Satan of American theological capitalism. As always, the real difference between right-wing ultranationalism and revolutionary socialism is class consciousness.

Nevermind found it.

Fuck. I give you slavs a lot of shit but honestly you don't deserve it.

Stay strong and keep your head up.

an extremely tiny minority of niggers with 130+ IQ

99% of the time small-business owners aren't really a threat or target in communism/marxism because usually the owners of those types of businesses actually work (which is the thing that produces value) and take very little percentage in profit. I mean, they are often aspiring to be the enemy, they are still capitalists technically. Usually they mean well though indeed, and if the communist system were realized their honest work would be recognized and rewarded. They're victims of the convoluted and inefficient regulatory policies and machinations almost as much as their employees are.

This
We already have mandatory programming and computer science courses in school. The IT tec. will become the new job you can do with only a school diploma.

Capitalism is just the other side of the socialism/communism jew coin

THAT IS A GOOD THING YOU FUCKING RETARDS.

How the hell can you argue against machines.

What do you want? Even when machines could do literally all work for us and we could live in paradise we should still be forced to work AT SUB LIVING MINIMUM WAGES at that, because ??????

>blog entry:
>today I stubbed my toe
>why is assault by furniture still a thing? Dont they know its 2040?
>We oppressed citizens DEMAND that we have a safe environment in our government provided living spaces!!!!
>on top of that the free antidepressants/mood stabilizer dose im entitled to daily was a full 20 minutes late thismorning!
>its like they WANT me to have to face the day full of anxiety over coffee tables and chairs being there to potentially trip over!!!
>change now!!!!
>#worldcitizenstoesmatter #drugsontime

He was the ultimate self hating jew you retard.

this will cause people who are old and poor to starve to death.

So if right now I make 16.50 an hour.
And min goes up.
What happens to me?

It's just luddites panicking their jobs are going away.

The robot revolution will be the industrial revolution all over again.

I agree that the $15 minimum is fucking retarded but you aren't exactly doling out the red pill.

Not every job needs to move towards automation. It's economy of scales. Not every job needs a minimum wage for the exact same reason. Running a small book store in a small town wouldn't require much skill. Someone could easily pay some 15 year old high school brat to come in for 2 hours after school every day to arrange all of the books on the shelves for $5/hour. Now it's the weekend and the kid has $50 to spend or save during a time that they have literally no bills to pay. Likewise, a small bakery has no reason to invest tens or hundreds of thousands of dollars to install sophisticated completely automated baking machines when they could just pay someone $8/hour for 8 hours per day for 30 years. They probably wouldn't even be able to afford the machinery ever since it would require a huge capital investment; that capital investment would probably be better suited towards opening up another location or expanding the business in other ways. However, if you're Ford Motors and you have billions of dollars to spend on fully automated production lines that are 5000% more efficient than manual labor then of course that automation is better, but it doesn't always work like that.

Believe it or not, not everything is going towards full automation.

you're technically earning less than you were, since success at an hourly wage is typically measured against what the minimum wage is. prices will go up everywhere but you're still earning the same amount. in short: you're fucked

And, where do machines spend their wages?

Explain what you think "socialism/communism" is about.

a bored billion of people is something we should really be afraid of though. most people prefer the anaesthesia that wageslaving offers to stopping for a sec to think.

not sure if this will be good.

i for one welcome our robotic overlords and their robowhores.

Nonsense.

This is just bullshit.

Hopefully Walmart doesn't automate my job before I collapse in my 40s. No other job will pay me $15/hr and I have no one to rely on in life, so I'm basically stuck here until my casket closes.

For an idea of how big this could be :

cnet.com/news/mcdonalds-hires-7000-touch-screen-cashiers/

businessinsider.com/what-self-serve-kiosks-at-mcdonalds-mean-for-cashiers-2015-8

Now let's crunch the numbers :

1 employee at $15 an hour, 40 hours a week, 52 weeks a year. 15 x 40 = $600 a week,

600 x 52 = $31 200 a year.

Several kiosks initially cost between $120 000 and 160 000 so let's say : 120 000+ 160 000 / 2 = 140 000 on average. $140 000 plus maintenance every month so let's put maintenance costs at $200 each month 200 x 12 = $2 400.

140 000 + 2 400 = $142 400

So let's say 8 machines on average replace 8 employees.

8 x 31 200 = 249 600

249 600 for 8 employees VS. $141 200 for 8 machines

Yep minimum mage at $15 an hour will lead to replacement because in a single year it costs much less.

>THAT IS A GOOD THING YOU FUCKING RETARDS.

It BECOMES a good thing when the machines are no longer owned by an economic ruling class. It will be a terrible thing if the current structure of social power still exists after labor is no longer necessary - if you think the ultra-rich will keep us around as charity cases, I've got bad news for you.

UBI will happen eventually, and they will pour their time into something equally fruitless as wageslaving.

It is the lower class we are talking about after all.

10/10 alright with this. I haven't eaten fast food since I passed the bar exam and that was +10 years ago.

If worrying about being replaced by a machine is a legit concern, then those people shouldn't put themselves in that position to begin with.

And, where do the machines spend their wages?

>only works on the nice side of town
Why? you can't mug it and kill it for chicken mcnuggets and snickers

someone living on 16 an hour is going to have a standard of life that is used to that wage. if the prices go up when the minimum wage does, all of a sudden his standard of life is going down because no employer is going to adjust an hourly wage just because minimum wage went up, and everything he was used to purchasing he can no longer afford

I think he's parodying people who think higher wage = higher standard of living

>bar exam

Interesting, interesting. Now let's hear from someone who isn't a soulless parasite.

This it is a meaningless job, but you will need to have someone around if they go to shit ofc.

Still humans flipping I guess, allthough this could be automated too. Still need someone to watch over everything just like in a factory.

In higher taxes for the companies that employ them so they can go to public healthcare and so on raising living standards for everyone.

I mean what would you advocate for?
When every job can be done by machines and no one would have to work, you'd still force people to work to earn money?
You'd deliberately make life for people more miserable than it needs to be?

>It BECOMES a good thing when the machines are no longer owned by an economic ruling class
This will never ever happen if the regulations are left as is.
This is why we need higher taxes for the economic ruling class.

>It will be a terrible thing if the current structure of social power still exists after labor is no longer necessary - if you think the ultra-rich will keep us around as charity cases, I've got bad news for you.
i agree

They don't they go into pockets of millionaires or billionaires who hopefully don't dodge taxes and take the hit to their funds it would actually be more taxable but would not contribute to poorer retailers because rich people like fancy shit.

the working class will rise up, just wait and watch :)

Usually big chains themselves produce the software for these. Meaning they only pay for the development and upkeep ultimately.

If you can replace million niggas by paying thousand guys to develop you a software with which you can replace said monkeys, well not a hard call, is it.

reminder that the next revolution is coming and the upheaval it will cause will bring dangerous times with it

Fewer people with money equals a fall in aggregate demand.

Economics 101.

not only lower classes.

it will start with them, but most employees (including me) are doing a shit data entry job 90% of the time. it will take nothing to robotise/script them too.

i think it will be a mess. the sheeples will go nuts.

>retards crying they'll have no job

maybe you should just kill yourselfs, retards.

It's not going to just be some recursive cycle like you're implying, the capitalist paradigm that emerged from industrialization is going to undergo a new transformation. I'm hesitant to have full-faith that it will be the communist revolution Marx predicted immaturely, but it's very possible. On the one hand, capitalism proved much more versatile and willing to negotiate and keen to manipulate than Marx anticipated which is why it didn't materialize when it was 'supposed' to originally, so I'm not fully convinced it can't find a way to do it again, but on the other hand the 'robot revolution' in capitalist terms is going to be a massive and unprecedented challenge for the ruling class to manage and keep revolution suppressed and appeased. There must a point where they bite off more than they can chew and it could happen during the early phases of this trend.

Why would that be the case? remove 5 cashiers, get 2 guys with big guns up front or a very solid automated metal box to hold the shekels in them.

Consider how that a machine sunnier consistent and reliable than so pimply high schooler. It's possible the slightly higher cost could be an investment

>Fewer people with money equals a fall in aggregate demand.
>i cannot read
Again
taxes.
The ultimate goal is that no one has to work and everything gets the money the machines make for free.
During the transition this is accomplished by taxing the revenue the machines make and redistributing it among the populace.

And do what exactly?

The only convoluted or inefficient parts of our restaurant's system is the government regulating us, specifically on requiring us to pay each worker 50% more for absolutely no increase in value of anything.

Sure, it's nice that the government suggests that we don't serve undercooked meat or serve food that we dropped on the ground, but it has no business in dictating how we handle our wages. If we wanted to only pay people $7/hour we should be able to. That's about how much the job is worth to be honest. If people wanted more money they are more than welcome to not accept the job offer. If we feel like we've hired a good employee then we should be able to increase their wage accordingly. The misconception with the minimum wage is that people assume that makes the job suddenly worth this new denomination but it doesn't, it just penalizes employers for paying less than that amount.

But anyway, back to your Marxist bullshit: Marxism and any of its subsidiaries basically only benefit the dredges of society. The people who work harder and do better jobs are rewarded the same amount as the people who show up late and actively shy away from their duties. There's no incentive to rise above and do better because there's no reward for doing it. The literal only reward would be an internal one, meaning the person would be happier that they're doing a good job and contributing to their society for no extra reward, but I'll tell you this much: you can't force people to respect the system if you get millionaire backup quarterbacks raising a middle finger to the system that got them there.

I work hard (much harder than my coworkers) and capitalism allows me to benefit from that. I get mine because I work for mine. I'm sure as shit not going to waste my time on people who don't even want to spend time on/for bettering themselves.

>IT guys aren't cheap and McD's will need an army of them if they implement this on any large scale.

Every McDonald's in Australia has these

cool and scary at the same time.

>13.0% unemployment

$15 dollar minimum wage is high but on the flip side $15 an hour is barely livable. That being said I feel if you cannot pay a livable wage to your workers then its not a business I want in my country. I also consider it a fact of quality and reliance. I pay my workers starting at $40k salary or $25 for hourly jobs depending on the needs and the persons skills/experience. I run an aquarium/aqua culture and service business that deals with large tanks. Its important that I know my workers are happy and motivated because fuckups can cost me big aswell as the whole ordeal of trying to find someone to do the work.

I also kek when people here say technology isn't killing jobs. It may come as a surprise but for example manufacturing is coming back to the US but it won't even tackle a 1/4 of the unemployment problem because you simply don't need to have armies of people on assembly lines doing that work anymore. On of the highend LED manufacturers I use for Coral growing lights (EcoTech) makes their lights in Bethlehem, PA. Ironically in a old steel mill support building converted for light industrial use. Yet they only need less then 30 people to actually do that work, most of it is created in semiconductor Fabs and the rest is put together with robots.

We don't want to talk about this and stick our heads in the sand, but this is going to (is) a major issue that's going to create a lot of unemployed people. Its sad because you didn't need to have college education to work fulfilling decent jobs and earn enough $60-$80k to buy a house and have a family. The sad fact is we still have a shitty labor market and all this bullshit about needed skilled STEM workers is a bunch of bullshit to squeeze native workers for h1b visas. We have aprox. 9 million prime working age people unemployed and less then half the number of available jobs including skilled work requiring BA's or technical work like Sys admins or coders.

In Poland we have those. Everytime I walk by i see people with their jaw on the ground, scratching their dumb heads like a monkey having no idea how it works.
Plus you cant ask stupid questions to a touch screen. People are retarded when it comes to shopping for anything.
I support this progress all tho i feel bad for the all qt girls working there.

Those machines are a huge improvement over Pajeet or Shaneequa who will always fuck up your order.

Educational camps you say mein fuhrer?

That machine took 22 secs to complete the burger.
So 163 per hour...not 400

>This will never ever happen if the regulations are left as is.
>This is why we need higher taxes for the economic ruling class.

Regulations can never change the fundamental economic substructure of our capitalist world, which will always create a ruling class of wealth that can undo any reforms we put into place by simply acquiring political influence. The United States enacted the New Deal to prevent socialist revolution - look what has become of its reformed capitalism. Look what the ever-more-powerful capitalists of Europe have been doing to unmake their "socialist" welfare system.

The only solution is to get rid of the ruling class altogether before the real automation revolution begins. And the only way to accomplish this is to eliminate their base of power - through modern socialism.

What is agenda 21?
>implying that isnt the whole point.

But you can break it

Forget wages and laws and economics for a second.

I'm not a god damned mouse eating my food from a machine! I didn't serve my country and get a degree just to pull a lever and eat some automated shit for breakfast.

I love my army of waitstaff, cooks, and bartenders that feed me and bring me libation on a daily basis. They treat me better than anyone I know.

>13% retards that should be gassed because they're useless to society

you're only helping me

You better go outside and write your permits faggot.

we're talking about mcdonalds, not any place with actually good food and service

Plus all the maintenance techies on 24/7 standby because all the nignogs breaking shit and punching it

isn't austalian money more valuable than american dollah

>If we wanted to only pay people $7/hour we should be able to.

No, you shouldn't be able to steal labor from your employees. Labor produces 100% of the value that comes from your restaurant, paying your employees anything less than the full yield of the businesses net profit is theft.

But its just a start mr leaf
Soon others will follow. All the greedy establishment cunts will understand that its the way of the future and how much money they will be able to safe. Look at self driving cars.

>Regulations can never change the fundamental economic substructure of our capitalist world, which will always create a ruling class of wealth that can undo any reforms we put into place by simply acquiring political influence.
Well not in the US where you absolutely mindlessly accepted a fucking oligarchy and still have the audacity to call it a democracy despite you literally having an accepted political process for corruption called lobbying.

But look at europe and see that things can be different.

>unmake their welfare system
Nothing.
Absolutely nothing.
Germany is functioning perfectly and even the right wing Alternative für Deutschland is pro welfare system and would even expand it with minimum guaranteed income.

You don't need a communist revolution to curb the rights of the ruling class.
If you have a revolution new people will set them up in the same positions of power nothing else.

Why should you pay someone with absolutely no skills anything over 10 dollars.

Good. I worked fast food for a few months, it's fucking annoying going from register to food prep

>muh slippery slope fallacy
no one will go to a nice restaurant that is just operated by machines. its assumed you're paying for high quality service and food. only shitty fast food will get replaced with machines, because you honestly can't make the experience any worse than it is. in fact a machine is less likely to fuck up your order than Hajeeb who barely speaks any English.
>Look at self driving cars.
No one ever liked taxi drivers in the first place. I don't need to tip a machine either.

Implying anyONE cooks the food at a fastfood retaurant.

La'quiche-a puts a bag of frozen tendies in the machine, press tendie button = COOK

>eating fast-food

of course nu-Cred Forums is this fucking blue-pilled

Who buys the products served by the machines when the jobs have been replaced.

This isn't replacing shit, this is just so that they can process more orders at one time, so you don't get a bunch of angry coons wrecking shit because they're sick of waiting in line.

>$15 an hour is barely livable
Wrong.

I live an hour and a half outside of San Francisco (the most expensive place to live in America) and I've been earning $11/hour for several years. I have a car, a studio apartment where I live with no roommates, an iPhone 6+, satellite TV, internet, a $1200 gaming PC, and enough spending money to go out every night if I wanted to.

If you're a 20 something then $10 is definitely a living wage unless you're living in literally the most expensive places to live. Is it the most glamorous lifestyle? Absolutely not, but you're kidding yourself if you think that's living in extreme poverty. A coworker of mine spends $1200 every month on fucking marijuana and even he still manages to pay rent and afford living at that wage.

Minimum wage isn't supposed to guarantee a living wage anyhow. It basically boils down to a wage that will pay you even though you have no experience or marketable skills, and once you've worked and acquired some of these things you can work your way upwards. Getting an educated hedges these bets by allowing you to start at a higher bar but it's the same concept: even with a 4 year degree in a related field the chances are that a company is going to hire you at an entry level position for an entry level wage until you have enough skill to take on more responsibilities.

burger king employees

How is it theft? Becoming an employee is an agreement between two people on the worth of their labor. Nobody is forcing anything upon the employee.

With $15 minum wage, if you worked 9 hours a day, 5 days a week in South Africa you could have all this:

House:
property24.com/for-sale/faerie-glen/pretoria/gauteng/165/104366008

Car:
cars.co.za/for-sale/used/2016-BMW-3-Series-320D-M-SPORT-ATF30-SEDAN-Gauteng-Vereeniging/1614541/#.V_OZ5snwr2k

And still have more than enough for food, internet etc.

If you can't pay your workers above the minimum wage then your business is ultimately not making the revenue to sustain its overhead and/or there is poor management that is not sustainable. Especially because any changes to the minimum wage law allow for so much time for business to adjust and prepare when the law is announced to the time it is enforced.

Now excluding fastfood, I hear all this bitching from "restaurant owners" about min wage hikes. How come I never hear any bitching from the management side of restaurants about tips? Like how they are taxed by the government because what was once supposed to be reward for good service has now turned into an expectation that the customer is now paying their servers salary.
I worked as a waiter and the job wasn't bad, but if you didn't get tips you were fucked because you would then get taxed on your base wage.

Exact opposite actually. Rich people get actual cashiers and human interaction.

Poor people just make scenes and rob stores, so they get kiosks.

>Well not in the US where you absolutely mindlessly accepted a fucking oligarchy and still have the audacity to call it a democracy despite you literally having an accepted political process for corruption called lobbying.

I don't disagree with that analysis.

>But look at europe and see that things can be different.

Yes, Europe did a much better job of setting up their social democratic systems, but it's only a difference in time scales. Those refugees are being imported to create a source of cheap labor and make the social welfare system unaffordable. The European capitalists will eventually force American-style capitalism on you, too - I guarantee it.

>If you have a revolution new people will set them up in the same positions of power nothing else.

It would happen in pre-industrial nations, yes, because a period of state capitalism and industrialization is necessary for societies that have just thrown off the feudal shackles, as Lenin quickly discovered. But a socialist revolution in a modern country establishing true economic democracy would prevent the formation of a ruling class. There can be no positions of power if no base of power exists within a social structure. State capitalism creates a ruling class of state bureaucrats; socialism does not.

>Marxism and any of its subsidiaries basically only benefit the dredges of society. The people who work harder and do better jobs are rewarded the same amount as the people who show up late and actively shy away from their duties. There's no incentive to rise above and do better because there's no reward for doing it.

I see you took 'fundamentally misunderstanding Marx 101', got an 'A' in that class I take it too.

Here is where you are wrong. Labor produces value. Every individual who does labor is entitled to the full payment of the value they personally produced with their labor. This means work more gets paid more. Getting paid less than the value you produce is theft (this is by definition what capitalists do). Marx's classlessness was not 'everyone makes the same no matter what', that's actually more of a capitalist idea in the way base wages and mass-employee management operates. Classlessness means no one gets to own other people's labor and leverage it to pilfer profits off it by 'owning' it and pushing money around.

>cyberpunk baseball bat gangs granted safe space to destroy inside mcdonalds after ethnic composition found to be majority non white

Yeah, but do you think americans could ever accept this? They'd rather go shoot up a mall than just accept that 20+% of their economically active population is on "welfare"

>IT guys aren't cheap and McD's will need an army of them if they implement this on any large scale.

What do you mean? An IT staff of 100 or so could keep every McDonald's in the country operational. They would replace tens of thousands of employees.

In my humble opinion being a waitress takes absolutly 0 skills as much as the charismatic ones out there are great to have.
Even in nice restaurant I rather have a robot not fuckin up my order and bringing it to me asap and when Im there to pay for a great quality of food.Same as selfdriving cars I rather not having to deal with old grumpy greedy cunt of a driver.

The employee doesn't own the means of production, the employee has zero leverage (in particular, by himself. Unions are good but short of the goal). The employee can't refuse submitting to the theft of his or her labor. It's not a voluntary agreement insofar as 'voluntary' means 'free of coercion', it's anything but.

It's not stealing labor if a laborer voluntarily signs up to be paid $7 and we pay them $7. It'd be stealing if we told them $14 and only gave them $7.

The employees are not entitled to anything. Likewise, the owners are not entitled to anything. The owners are not entitled to forcing employees to work for $1/hour. The employees are not entitled to be paid $100/hour.

Labor does not produce 100% of the profit. The guy who stands behind the register didn't count that money before the store opened. He didn't construct the counter it sits on. He didn't make the register in the factory. He didn't erect the building that surrounds it. He didn't even make the pizza that was ordered. How much is that worth? By your logic we should be paying employees not by hour but by commission. We have a good day and maybe they'll walk away with $50 for 7 hours of work. We have a bad day and they walk away with $15 for 4 hours of work. Is that more fair for you?

Why doesn't the employee then create the means of production? What is to stop them from opening a competing business?

50% of our economically viable people are already recieving some form of direct government assistance.

I don't have a GED and am rather thankful for making double my states minimum wage.

Other robots will buy shit. Diamond Age first, Saturn's Children after that.

Dude, he is 100% right. They installed self-checkouts in biggest grocery shops in Latvia this year.
Average cashier gets paid barely 3.00 EUR an hour.
Their reasoning was that they "could find" workers i.e. nobody wants to work for slavery-level wage. So POS are way cheaper in long run.

So if the minimum wage went up to $100 and every single business in California went out of business you would think that's fine and it would be the fault of bad business practices and not the fault of the government for imposing an arbitrary burden on the business?

Holy shit you are brainwashed beyond repair

>Labor does not produce 100% of the profit. The guy who stands behind the register didn't count that money before the store opened. He didn't construct the counter it sits on. He didn't make the register in the factory. He didn't erect the building that surrounds it. He didn't even make the pizza that was ordered.

>making pizzas and constructing buildings isn't labor

I don't follow

Good Luck getting a Job in the IT field in the next 5 to 10 years without a University degree.

The Bar will rather rise than fall for Programming Jobs since plebs cant into Computer Science.

When i do see this being built and installed in my local McDonalds i will do a 360 and walk away. People need jobs and these muliti-milionaire companies can afford to employ people to serve food, using the machine is immoral and you are contributing to the rise of unemployment.

>why doesn't the employee just resort to theft too if he doesn't like it so much?

We know you dont you marxist fuckup.

Guys what if niggers were only hired for physical labor jobs? And any intellectual thought process required job could not be filled by said nigger.

Problem fixed?

How do you divide up what percentage of the value added goes to whom? By your logic we should be paying the construction company who constructed our counter for every pizza we sell. The guy who took the order isn't the same person who makes the pizza. Is the cashier and the pizza maker contributing the same amount of work? Do they deserve the same amount? If they deserve the same amount, does the construction worker deserve that same amount?

Your logic is full of holes.

What are:
>buisiness licensing fees
>overhead cost
>expensive to adhere to building codes
>etc etc

Its not 1950 anymore, you cant just go "fuck you" and set up a lemonade stand in the empty lot across the street from your previous employer anymore and retire as a millionaire owner of a chain of franchises 20 years later.

When you read most of these rags to riches stories like mcdonalds or walmart founders you realize that the practices they used to establish thier buisinesses are no longer legal, or affordable for the average person.

Especially since banks dont give buisiness loans to anyone who doesnt have collateral anymore.

Nope, it has less buying power even here compared to the USD and costs about $0.80 USD to buy.

we had it in sweden for years?

fpbp I THOUGH I WAS THE ONLY ONE WHO THINKS THIS

>It's not stealing labor if a laborer voluntarily signs up to be paid $7 and we pay them $7.

Yeah, two parties - the minimum-wage worker and the capitalist - meet in a boardroom on opposite sides of a table and sign a labor contract based on savvy negotiations and equal levels of power. Totally voluntary. At any time the worker could have left the table and starved to death.

What are you even talking about.

PEOPLE will buy the products.
With the money either they make from jobs that can't be replaced by robots (art, education, guiding the robots to build better robots, etc) or with the money they get for free from the taxes the robots would pay.

>Those refugees are being imported to create a source of cheap labor and make the social welfare system unaffordable. The European capitalists will eventually force American-style capitalism on you, too - I guarantee it.
The crisis will be solved either by revolution, or by election, or by the EU breaking apart. But i doubt people would give up their systems here.

>a modern country establishing true economic democracy would prevent the formation of a ruling class.
Oh god.
You don't actually believe this do you?
There is always a base of power in any government, because you need to make rules on how to redistribute wealth, and also apply those rules to people, and also determine if those rules were being upheld. Legislative, Executive, Judicative.
You can't have a system without these, and since people are corruptible, someone corrupt might seize power during a revolution, since during that time there are no safetynets in place to prevent people from unilaterally seizing power through force.

Poor side businesses will just shut down.

You're right, people dont start their own businesses anymore. Thats crazy talk.

popped in about a month ago for a milkshake
see this order up
wait 10 mins for every fat fucker to get there meal
stuck in a queue of numbers on a screen for 10 mins
instead of 1 person on the till turning around and grabbing my drink
why is this a good idea?

The concept of market value still exists under communism you stupid shit.

Who determines this value when there is artificial supply due to government control you cuck.

>Live and hour and half from San Francisco.

Your either living in the ghetto or driving hellishly far to go to work if what you say is true. I would also ask, if you could make that amount and STILL live in the city?

No minimum wage isn't supposed to guarantee a living wage however it is supposed to guarantee that the lowest workers are paid enough to actually be able to contribute to the economy as a whole and not create an unending cycle of poverty and a wide gap between rich and poor. People wont buy your products if they cannot afford it.

There is strong evidence that municipalities with living wage ordinances have significantly less poverty and quality of life. This and the fact a higher minimum wage has been proven to bump the rates of all workers up be it a fast food worker at $12.50/hr to a sys admin or info security guy making $90k to $110k.

>replace low tier jobs with machines
>welfare systems failing
>government forced to uncuck themselves and start taxing IT Infrastructure and Machines

cant wait to see it happen

it's in experimental phases user

sure it's shit now
but give it two years and it'll have all the kinks worked out and start replacing workers in every city

then people will realize mcdonalds is the largest employer of blacks in the US

Yeah, even with your straw man argument that's basically how it works.

>employer: thanks for showing up to the interview, like the ad said we're willing to pay you X and the job requires A, B, C, a typical day goes like this: 1, 2, 3
>employee 1: well I have A, B, C, D, E and I can handle 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, so I think I deserve XX pay
>employer: well you seem to be overqualified for this job and we aren't looking to pay that much so good luck at your next interview hopefully it's something more suited to your experience
>employee 2: I only have A, B but at my last job I was making .5X so this job will work for me

You literally can't even deny this voluntary action. If an employee doesn't want to accept a wage that they think is below them then they're welcome to hold their breath until they find something worthy. If they can't find anything it's not a problem with greedy capitalists stealing their labor, it's a problem with their standards and sense of self worth being completely detached from the real world.

>i doubt people would give up their systems here

The people don't have a choice. Even political revolution that keeps the economic substructure in place is impotent. The bourgeoisie simply create the next state and it's business as usual.

>someone corrupt might seize power during a revolution

Yeah, that's why revolutionaries should be ready to shoot anyone who attempts to do this in the revolutionary period between capitalism and socialism.

>There is always a base of power in any government, because you need to make rules on how to redistribute wealth, and also apply those rules to people, and also determine if those rules were being upheld. Legislative, Executive, Judicative.

This requires a managerial state, but not necessarily one that has the power to make any real decisions. The people decide democratically, and the minimal state carries out whatever top-level implementation and protection of human rights is required. It is likely that the largest share of the policy will be carried out in a decentralized manner anyway in democratically-run workplaces.

But perhaps you can explain why you think mixed-market capitalism, with its fragile patches on a fundamentally authoritarian economic system that has an actually-existing ruling class, is necessarily the end of history. Up to this point I see progress in the democratization of social systems - why must we stop here? Because we happened to be born in this age?

rent-a-cop

Seeing how governments "try" to tax current IT overlords (aapl, goog, fb) it's unlikely to happen, unless we get NWO world government.

Oh wait....

>even with your straw man argument

That was satire, not a strawman. The only people who believe minimum wage labor is based on voluntary contracts are those who have never faced homelessness and starvation.

I didn't say I work in SF, I only pointed that out to say that I live in a pretty expensive part of the country all things considered.

>This minimum wage is supposed to
STOP.
The minimum wage isn't supposed to do anything. One of the only things it actually does is contribute to unemployment.

It's not complicated. It would work not all that differently than it does now except ownership will be public. Like, literally the fucking USPS, notice there is no private for-profit owner and by some wizardry it's operating on the natural market laws of supply and demand? I mean don't get me wrong, by all means it is very much integrated into a private system and we could split hairs about shit but for all intents and purposes, it should serve to show you that you're retarded.

...and this is a good thing, IF education can be affordable.

right now, far too many Americans get educated and leave school with tens or even hundreds of thousands of dollars of debt

make education more affordable, get rid of standardized testing (where teaching the test is all they do instead of real learning), and stop denigrating teachers (yes there are bad ones, but most are good) and unions (needed to protect workers from exploitative corporations).

A place called Sheets (a normie truck stop style shop) has had the serve yourself terminals for years. Seems to work quite well.

Market value is completely antithetical to Marxism and basically everything you've said in this thread. If market value existed in Marxism that would automatically create a class system of people who earn more because they contribute more. Eventually there would be people who are responsible for contributing millions of dollars to a company for being able to broker deals with other companies while the cashiers who work in the stores only contribute dozens of dollars per day.

Check. Fucking. Mate.

Can't you burgers keep your sandbox level castle stomping arguing to reddit?

Never said they didnt.

But you sure as hell aint gonna do it on minimum wage.

>oh hey look, richie rich borrowed $300,000 from his dad and started what became a chain of sports bars
>see capitalism works!
>if only these $7.25 an hour idiots would pull thier heads outta their ass and do what HE did they wouldnt NEED to be a waiter

It aint impossible, but is much more difficult and expensive than it was before.

>ypur dying from stage 4 cancer? idiot, dont you know you can live if you just quit having cancer?

True, and possible, but unlikley.

>no choice
look at hungary and how e escaped the grasp of the IMF.
>ready to shoot anyone
i could use that to shoot my political opponents and claim they wanted to seize power.
then i seize power with all the armed revolutionaries having been taken out

>The people decide democratically, and the minimal state carries out whatever top-level implementation and protection of human rights is required. It is likely that the largest share of the policy will be carried out in a decentralized manner anyway in democratically-run workplaces.
And what will happen? There will be "malfunctions" in the election process...
just like in austria where after the migrant crisis the right wing was projected to win,..... then the paper for the letters vor something about voting was bad and the elections "regrettably had to be delayed"

>why
Because it's the only reasonable way.
You will not be able to subvert or outright attack a system with this much power.
Truth be told i am not completely confident that people will be able to make the system better AT ALL in the near future.

I don't know how it should happen, but a violent revolution at this point would not lead to a successful democratic thing afterwards.

I am however fairly confident, that the people and the financial interests can maintain the current somewhat beneficial status quo, because it's what i've been seeing all over the place.
Merkel losing support, Orban fixing the country, etc.
Either side initiating bigger conflict now would face a disproportionately heavy reaction and would be pressed back.

So my bets are on a slow process towards democratization, because you can see that the wrong type of globalism being pushed produced the current pushback from a lot of people.

They still wouldn't be owners of the means of production which means it's either not going to happen or it's going to be determined that what they are doing is actually and agreeably that valuable. They will not ascend to 'capitalist' class literally regardless of how much money they happen to make compared to anyone else.

And you faggots laughed at liberal arts. We'll be the only employable ones left

so now I can't get a fish sandwich or a chicken sandwich or chicken nuggets or a salad or a apple pie or a shake or a ice cream or a breakfast anytime or a oatmeal or a pancake or a sausage or a chili or a baked potato or a apple dipper or a burrito.

>it's okay to pay employees differently based on how much they contribute to the company
>it's still Marxism though because the government technically owns the business
Get out.

>implying anyone can afford art that wasn't procedurally-generated

Yeah, right. Who am I supposed to be, a megacorp prince with my very own automated factory?

>hour and a half outside
I'm in MA and if you go 90 mins from Boston west you are in towns where people raise goats on their front lawn.

yeah you can live there but the only other cool guy in town will be the opioids dealer

>ZAP MOTHAFUCKA get sum
I love you Texas never change.

Why are commies so embarrassing?

>>"so ya wadda nuh fi widduh cowk anna frie wid dat?"
>>ummmm....... you wat...
>>"ah seh so ya wadda NUH FI widduh COWK annuh FRIE widdat SIR"

We need a expert here! can someone call anropologist/lingust to decipher this?