Star Trek: Discovery

hopefully, we'll finally get some klingon fart porn

TERRIBLE show. It might be the thing that kills trek for good.

well it got itself a season 2 so it's not dead yet

No, its dead. They didn't have a choice on the second season. CBS tied all their hopes of solvency to their horrid streaming platform and tied the success of their horrid streaming platform to STD. Cancelling STD would be admitting their streaming platform is a total failure.

Did you enjoy the ending?

But Netflix paid for a lot of it cause of international rights, also did well in Canada

T'AH, P'AH, Q'AH!

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It felt rushed. The last 2 episodes feel like they were tacked on as a way for the showrunners to be able to throw away the Klingon War arc Fuller envisioned so they could start fresh with season 2.

CLAP

>also did well in Canada
>Canada
Literally who

I still see the party hat.

Saru - Lt Cmdr
Tilly - Cadet -> Ensign
Stamets - Lt
Detmer - Lt?
Airiam - Lt?
Random Communications Officer Man
Asian Filler Man
Big Hair Woman

...

The spoken Klingon was awful the first few episodes, but the people playing Tyler and L'Rell were great speakers which made it so much better later in the season

how do we let these people off the hook so easily? time and time again they disappoint us. They tease us with the promise of a great war ..and then it never happens.
They tease us with a great moral dilemma with the alternate universe emperor.. then it is done in under one episode.

>Klingon-supremacist who wants to destroy the Federation
>Effectively kill her lover, kill the leader of her house and all of her crewmates
>Abduct her, have a Federation captain beat her up to the point that she's bleeding all over in the brig of a Federation vessel
>15 minutes later, give her the power to become a dictator over her entire species (apparently, nobody has thought to put a bomb in the volcano before)
>An entire fleet is now under her control with the power to destroy Earth at her fingertips, which would not only give the Klingon Empire the victory they need to unify, cement her authority, and prevent the Federation from further contaminating Klingon culture, but also give her revenge for everything they did to her personally
>But now that she's been granted the generosity of Saint Michael "Jesus" Burnham, she realizes that Hate is bad and Love is good, so she orders the fleet to pull back
>They actually do
YYYAAAAAAAAAAAAAAASSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS

I really hope we get a Chaos on the Bridge doc about the production for season 1, b/c it sounds like it was a complete mess behind the scenes and they basically threw the show together after Fuller left.
I'll be honest, though, I actually really enjoyed the show for the most part but it's clear they didn't really know or care about how to handle the war or the mirror Emperor and Lorca.

calm down and have a Tilly.

literally 1/10

love trumps hate

Her in the golden uniform was literally the only good thing in the show besides saru make up.

I wanna filly Tilly.

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This is embarassing

Ya know, if they took all the Star Trek references out of it, renamed all the aliens, redesigned the star ships, and just called the show "Michael", I wouldn't have much of a problem with it.

Even then, it'd just be a so-so sci-fi, but at least it wouldn't constantly be subverting a cultural icon.

Though, given the direction our "culture" is going, I suppose it's at least thematically correct corruption. "Don't think about anything, just watch shit blow up around the PC PCs."

That episode where they landed on the planet with the ghostly aliens, had to implicitly trust each other, question their motives, and explored a bit into Saru's mind, examining what it was like to be instinctively living in constant fear, and then to suddenly be released from said, gave me hope... But alas... Back to pew pew J.J.Abrams right quick.

wrong. back to the drawingboard with you.

>Star Trek: Discovery
It's STD

is the upper right one the animated show

ehe, it's DISCO, user.

*looks at you using her only facial expression*
NO
WE WILL NOT TAKE SHORTCUTS ON THE PATH TO RIGHTEOUSNESS
*absorbs all of the time which could have been devoted to the other bridge officers, despite hardly having any personality at all*
NO
WE WILL NOT BREAK THE RULES THAT PROTECT US FROM OUR BASEST INSTINCTS
*Shuts down a white boi Admiral for trying to mansplain diplomacy to her*
NO
WE WILL NOT ALLOW DESPERATION TO DESTROY MORAL AUTHORITY

*points at dictatorship she created for no reason*
YES
THAT IS THE UNITED FEDERATION OF PLANETS
*brings genocidal dictator into the universe*
YES
THAT IS STARFLEET
*orders her superior officers to lick her boots, which they do*
YES
THAT IS WHO WE ARE

So, it was a season-wide Klingon war episode with a mirror universe twist. I'm not sure if the Xindi fuckup season in ENT was worse. We could just remove the whole season and never have a better clue it happened.

The Dominion war in DS9 was... better than DIS war in a way that if happened to people we already knew and in situation that grown slowly. Reminder, though, that it was not a far-fetched production dedicion from the start.

There's nothing else in Discovery to continue with than Enterprise namedropping, occassional Empero..ress appearances and such. I fear there's nothing to do with developing the crew as persons or giving comfy vibes. Pike-Enterprise storyline will take another season with much dark thingies.

Anti-STD shitposting is worse than pro-STD shitposting.

based disco poster

Lexx was mid tier.

>Michael never overcomes her weird dependency on her mother figure
Why did they do this? The ending is literally her letting off someone who has committed genocide before, is trying it again and had shown no signs of redemption.

feminist power fantasies are so dull

>Saint Michael "Jesus" Burnham
Kek.
Do you think Saint Gabriel will come back from spore heaven to help her? :)

m'm

prime Lorca, mirror Burnham and mirror Discovery all died/were destroyed off-screen "in mysterious way" with no trace left behind. We all know what this means

Tell us, user! Tell us!

this is now /trek/

The absolute state of nu Trek

>strong black woman
>identifies as Vulcan
is she Jewish too?

yeah, too obvious but not gonna watch anymore, already skipped most scenes.

The show sucks, not even worth the bandwidth to download

*whiplash!*

I'm more fascinated by how they did a 180 in the last few episodes and set it all up for a return to normalcy after the fan response.

Now season 2 is being rejiggered to include captain Pike and an Enterprise bridge. No word on how the fuck they're going to solve the whole "discovery" problem. Maybe they're actually going to just say "well, it's about discovering shit right"?

What a mess.

I honestly don't know if the main actress is salvageable even if she's rewritten to not be such an insufferable cunt in the next season, but she'll continue to be the main focus. There's even rumours they'll drag Spock into this (since he's on the Enterprise with Pike canonically) and explore the fact that this is his half-sister.

The guy who plays Tyler also plays Voq

>weebshit even included

feel

she jew?

Genocide is her culture don’t judge her shitlord

>they'll drag Spock into this

I want a Sybok storyline to make things a little less obvious and more interesting.

They were hastily written off because soniqua lacks sufficient range to play a mirror character?

mmmmmm

But what does god need with a starship tho

He could be still be semi-reasonable at this point.

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STD was strange to me. It started out horribly; both crews on the Shenzhou and the Discovery were all assholes, no one getting along, everyone being snarky and verbally abusive...just awful. I know they were at war, but in DS9 during the war, the respectful interaction was still there...so I can't accept it here.

Then they went to that planet where they explored and Saru went off...and for an episode it felt like Star Trek. Then they got back to the war...and people became assholes again. Then the Mirror Universe happened, which was almost entirely useless because the dramatic power of the mirror universe is that we are intimately familiar with the characters before we see their 'opposites'. That's also why the only person who mattered in those episodes was Killy/Tilly...she was the only character who had a very well defined 'character', so when we found out about her opposite, it was hilarious, especially when Tilly had to act as Killy. But Georghiu's opposite? She's the same, only playing for a different team. Stamet's opposite? The same, only playing for a different team. Bullshit....

Then the rushed last few episodes. I really liked the episode second-to-last...for some reason it felt like Star Trek again...maybe due to the pacing. But then the shit Enterprise-Season 4-Final-Episode-Quality season finale of STD arrived. God, that speech was insufferable, and the motives behind it worse.

I don't know guys. If they wanted to do a season arc, they would have had to plan it and write it properly from before, not change things as they went along. Wasn't Breaking Bad written one entire season at a time? If it was, that would explain why the episodes within were so well structured and paced, advancing each story idea at the right speed so that nothing seemed wrong.

STD was an experiment that failed because the planning wasn't good enough I think. And of course they mangled the 'characters'.

no more wall of text pls

>implying the writers even know who Sybok is

t. STD's core audience.

The gay guy wasn't even straight in mirror universe? Wasted opportunity

Remember when mirror stametz woke up in the mirror universe but the episode acted like this was some sort of dire twist or complex development which caused people to think something other than “fag wakes up” happened? Like that prime stametz and mirror had swapped minds or something? And it wasn’t anything notable at all and the production was just incompetent?

I don't agree with georghiu and mu stamets being exactly the same. But they both got so little screen time it's largely pointless.

Fine.

STD was uneven, but it mostly sucked ass. HAPPY???

Was there ever an "evil" character who had a "nice" counterpart in MU?

Brunt and Quark.

The two last episodes killed this series for me. Up until that point I liked more things about this show than I disliked. But the way they ended the story just completely sucked.

Nah, just trek in general.

I liked how they resolved the war by putting a Klingon hybrid of Hillary and Steve jobs in power. Because she has a biolocked iPad that can destroy Kronos

>STD wraps up
>they're back to discussing shit that is NOT STD

reddit.com/r/startrek/

really makes you think

Well, from what Michael kept on saying, Georghiu was intelligent and 'honorable' in the normal timeline. In the mirror universe, her honour shifted but was still there (she didn't double-cross Starfleet, and the only reason Michael felt betrayed was because she wasn't in on the plan).

For now, I can't think of a difference for Stamets, aside from him having a different uniform and working for different people.

But still you'll watch STD season 2, 3, 4 and so on, until the show ends. Why? Because you have to.

>season 2, 3, 4

>Implying this steaming pile of shit will last that long
>Especially with its astronomical production costs

So fucking what? Scan the planet, find the weapon, destroy it, then kill the cunt.

No. After it built up anticipation for fucking nothing at all, I will be sure to binge watch an entire season so I'm not baited into waiting weeks at a time for something that might turn into a steaming pile of shit, like the season finale. So I won't bother with Season 2 until the season finale.

I know you're being facetious but that is the actual attitude of these big franchises, it's fucking disgusting. Wish there could be some new blood to put these old shows to rest and come up with something new for a change

So, you'll watch it. Which was my point, user, dear.

I haven't even watched the middle part of this season and likely never will

>likely never will
>likely

will.

I watched Enterprise and Voyager too. At least when it's shit I will know what I'm talking about when I criticize it instead of parroting back other people's opinions like they were my own.

join us

Nope, I didn't even finish the season finale

I know. This is what I mean by "you have to watch it".

Jesus, who approved this?

edgey, u have to admit

It's pretty amazing how they did that 180 though, they pretty much just said "Fuck it, you've got three episodes to fix this" and it was a fucking mess.

She is probably a great baker, given those forearms...

this only indicates double uretras

Good point. What's this guy good at?

so its 1 penis with 2 beam ores?

Might literally be the worst list I ever saw.

Must refresh my memory it seems

Giving up.

Heil Hyda!

Please tell me this trash isn't getting S2.

Not necessarily. You've never pissed two streams before? It doesn't require two urethras.

fu, then.

S2 already got confirmed last november.

Filming starts in 2 months.

Double urethras are not that rare in humans to begin with so it doesn't really matter.

nerd

It's not like I'm reading news about this crap, I only lurk these threads.

Oh, that's gross.

sure

t. Odo turning into a dog

Or just kill her, because the biolock means no one else can use the bomb

>faces are hard
>individual strands of hair aren't

Average /trek/ classicist.

I only keep trash on my desk, never on my floor.

>shills be all like “ur gonna watch it”
>I’m all like mega.co.nz

Hair is just kind of an "extrusion" though, every individual hair could be pretty much identical, and it doesn't require an overall coordinated design like an ear does. Of course that still doesn't explain why Odo looks normal when he transforms into a bird or an inanimate object or something. They just had to give Odo unique makeup so he wouldn't be yet another wrinkled-nose-guy, and it allowed them to give the other changelings a consistent look as well (presumably they are just copying Odo for his benefit).

Sure, user. I have faith in you.

I liked his season 1 face better, when he didn't have so much shit over it.

I'm not saying you SHOULD watch it. I am saying you WILL. And people are admitting it.

>no TNG funkos
pleb

It doesn’t matter if people watch it If they pirate it.

most ppl here are to dumb or scared to pirate

>another wrinkled-nose-guy

When I first saw DS9 I was a bit weary on Bajorans being yet another "wrinkled-nosed race".

How’s the porn in your reality?

>doesn't just stream porn from 1 of 1000 avaiable sites

Tell me with whom you walk and I will tell you who you are.

So in the late 50s/early 60s, the idea of a "doomsday machine", a single weapon capable of destroying all life on the planet, was popularized was Herman Kahn, a strategist at the RAND corporation. It was a thought experiment designed to criticize the idea that all you needed from a nuclear force was a survivable, credible ability to destroy your enemy in retaliation. The doomsday machine met all those criteria, and yet Kahn noted that no military or political figure he described it too was ever willing to accept it as an option. It was then famously adopted by Kubrick in Strangelove as the ultimate example of the insanity of the arms race, and since then doomsday machines have been relegated into the niche of the absurd weapon of a madman.

That is, until the innovative new show Star Trek Discovery in 2018 not only embraced the usually frowned upon notion of nuclear blackmail, but in the maximum sense of genocidal planetary extinction. And not just in the control of one group, or as often suggested under computerized automatic control, but under the control of one single individual. The show suggested that such a strategy would lead to planetary peace and unification under a single all powerful leader. For a generally left wing progressive science fiction series to endorse the principles of nuclear warfare to an extreme that the 1950s USAF was unwilling to do so is a bold uncompromising move, sure to raise considerable controversy with reviewers given the resurgence of concern over nuclear war in general in the last year (reviewers definitely won't ignore this entire thing and focus on clapping because they saw the Enterprise I can assure you).

no fucking walls of text!

YASSS
*claps*
WE WUZ STARFLEET ND SHIEEEEEET

Please god this can't be real can it?

But he is right, you know?

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>gets quads
>can’t read

... stupid shillgets. But pretending to be illiterate is the last bastion of a cornered shill

i can read.

I'm just saying that if Odo had a "normal" face, he would probably look like a Bajoran since he grew up on Bajor. There are so many Bajoran faces on the show, especially in the background, that I can see why they really wanted to have a main cast member with a new and different look (especially because there is no Vulcan, no Klingon until Worf, etc. Most of the cast just look like normal humans).

>Quark looks "normal".

Eight sentences is not a wall of text you fucking illiterate.

>Quark is most of the cast
Why not mention Morn while you're at it?

>Number of sentences dictates length of text.

Pityful.

Would the inclusion of a B-plot save Discovery, to take the focus away from Michael Sue a bit?

Quark is a fucking main character. Watch the show.

What is your point? Why do you think the showrunne

i want gamergaters and trump voters to leave and go back to their /trek/ containment thread already

The adventures of femdom queen Tilly?

>Were she removed the show's entire narrative structure would collapse. Before STD this never applied to any star trek character.
Sisko

>Music swells triumphantly as all the bridge crew rallies around Michael against the admiral
>I feel absolutely nothing because the show forgot to give them all screen time or personality so they might as well all be random extras
Can modern tv writers please take a second to remember that there's more important things than having giant expensive CGI action scenes every episode?

>Yes, just devide screentime equally among all the characters! That's good thinking, user!

Doof.

>STD was strange to me. It started out horribly; both crews on the Shenzhou and the Discovery were all assholes, no one getting along, everyone being snarky and verbally abusive...just awful. I know they were at war, but in DS9 during the war, the respectful interaction was still there...so I can't accept it here.
Discovery was a science vessel with a full time eggheads turbo autism crew. Unlikable but fitting. Character development might save it.

>I feel absolutely nothing because the show forgot to give them all screen time or personality so they might as well all be random extras
god damn, this. It's ridiculous how they couldn't have a few minutes an episode to have the random bridge crew people, who all are apparently named and have info about them online, to have a convo with the captain or commander or even Saint Michael Sue. And then the shows tries to tell me I should give a fuck about them. They gave more screentime and lines to Amanda Grayson, who only showed up 3 times, one of them being during a flashback/mindmeld.

>shitty story
>lots of CGI
>one fucking character carrying the entire show
hmm... why the fuck is this so damn familiar...

Considering the TOS episode called "The Doomsday Machine" this was the salt in the wound.

[Captain] dies, except Archer and Janeway.

/trek/ purists speaking out.

>all the alternative reality fascist versions of the crew were more attractive and capable
BASED

SGA's long arcs are better than the non-existent arcs of SG1, though. Also Zalenka > McKay.

tight

It was still McKay who saved the whole team every fucking time. He soloed the show, the other people were basically just live props.

>all the alternative reality fascist versions of the crew were more attractive and capable
>attractive
[citation needed]

>non-existent arcs of SG1
The fuck are you talking about?

It stopped sounding like the actors were struggling to talk around their teeth prosthetics?

Is this a millenial thing?

Fun fact: they speak klingon the same way without the prosthetics.

Post counterproof, it should be easy, right?

you can hear them fine. dont make an issue of it.

>counterproof
take a good look at those pictures again, Tillyfag, and ignore the taste of puke in your mouth when you'll reply to this with "s-so u have no p-proof l-lmao r-rekt"

Incidentally I like straight over curly hair better, but that's subjective of course.
The female MU clothes are fetishtastic but not very practical.

Every scene with Klingon dialog in the first 4 episodes felt like they dragged on forever because it was seemed so obviously a problem with the makeup hindering the actors performances.

It wasn't. Tyler is speaking the same way without any makeup.

literally fuck off and die, thanks

that jap captain talks funny without makeup lol

Well then it's a problem with the language coaching, I guess. I gave up on STD after they introduced the reddit-tier pop-sci jerk off that is the giant space tardigrade so I never saw it spoken by anything other than the klingons.

I bet you're still gonna watch it at some point.

Toronto area market is surprisingly important for tv industry. It’s like beta test America.
It’s why all the arthouse movies start at the Toronto film festival, to gaug whether there’ll be a good reception in the USA.

>Well then it's a problem with the language coaching
On the contrary. If their accents are the same with heavy makeup and without, it's a sign of good coaching, because it's consistent.

pulling it out your ass.

Because the actress is malaysian and they made the character malaysian too.

statista.com/statistics/791916/leading-tv-markets-north-america/
Look at all those shekels.

consistent like they're trying to speak through a slab of cardboard. If a made-up language makes the scenes in which it is spoken feel like they are dragging on because it's so slow and plodding and stilted it's really not a sign of quality work.

Really, user? I, also, hate Star Trek: Discovery; however, it's got a few things going for it...
>tl;dr: greenlist
>captain lorca is best captain
Seriously, with the mouthbreathingly-stupid out-of-character mistakes the writers put in ignored, he's like a perfect synthesis of Picard & Kirk's best respective traits without being like either of them, and I certainly hope (and expect) for non-mirror Lorca to be introduced so he can give both Admiral Mommy & Memeperess Christmas Cake the dicc and create some sort of fun love triangle to make the show more interesting (although Mary Sue is not UN-watchable).
>holy shit dat ncc-1701 at the end of the last episode
Mi gusto!
>...
Yeah, there's really nothing else good about this show. I got sick of dutch camera halfway through nubattlestar nugalactica, but at least BSG didn't further ruin the shots with muddy filters and garbage lens flares.

ECK-fucking-SPLAIN to me *why* the FUCK there are lens flares in the airless, non-prismatic, empty VACUUM of space...? Anyone?

>inb4 le art maymay
Disregarded -- that is not kino.

>it's an episode where they let an alien pow brainhack their half-human/half-klingon frankenstein abomination so that the underlying personality of voq becomes cool enough to *knowingly* pretend to be tyler and then they all play it off like the heart will go on and shit but imagine all the freaky shit he gets into with l'rell and does this maybe help explain the later klingon return to more human appearance by the time of the original series?

>Zalenka > McKay

No, but their battle was definitely gold for the show. Also McKay versus his sister.

>He soloed the show

That's basically why he works. If he wasn't a neurotic mess who was scared shitless and couldn't fight his way out of a wet paper bag he'd just be a boring overpowered character.

His arc, his struggle, is trying to channel mental brilliance into practical outcomes. The challenge he presents as a character is being an insufferable twat to everyone else but too fucking good to dismiss.

It's an interesting dynamic. He's not the smartest person at every single time either, so it's not overplayed. I always really enjoyed him. But more to the point you can contrast that with how they write other characters. Michael in STD for instance beats the toughest klingons in hand to hand and out thinks everyone else, makes her superiors dance to her tune.. where's the conflict coming from? Her virginity?

>Michael in STD for instance beats the toughest klingons in hand to hand
Which is no special feet for someone raised on Vulcan, a planet with higher gravity and thinner atmosphere.

>out thinks everyone else
More like she's always the one searching for answers to fucking obvious questions.

>makes her superiors dance to her tune
If she's being sent to figure out shit, she has the prerogative to use that knowledge to disagree with her superiors.

>where's the conflict coming from?
I have no idea, the writing is too erratic.

Not him, but name one time when Burnham gets into an argument and is wrong, or acts in a way which isn't presented as the best course of action.
Protip: you can't, because she's right literally all the time.

Michael loses to the toughest Klingons in physical combat. She can't protect her captain in the first episode, and she's losing against Kol and needs to be rescued in the mid-season finale. You've filled yourself with so much hate that it's starting to affect your memory.

And frankly, Star Trek main characters have ALWAYS held their own about Klingons, so I don't see why you're going to start complaining now. Even Picard beat up Klingons in TNG.

In her first argument with Lorca, when she thought he was building a weapon, she was shown to be wrong.

I mean, in the finale she gives a big speech about how "I was wrong."

its the first season. Its allowed to be terrible.

Name 3 shows that do not improve by the 2nd, or 3rd season, and only get worse.

She's wrong every third episode. I mean holy shit, the entire fucking season is about cleaning up her mess she caused in the pilot.

Half the scenes with Tilly were shoot months earlier before she gained weight, and actually looked hot. someone can post the two side by side, same scenes seconds apart. Probably due to reshoots.

Heroes
Rick and Marty
The flash

It was fine. I like hearing an alien language spoken slowly so you can actually understand phrases, and pickup on some of the grammar, and syntax

>I'm hungry
>is anyone else hungry?
>I wasn't actually hungry
>Proceeds to chow down
At least by the end they acknowledged her weight gain.

Wrong about what, exactly? The speech has a vague sense of regret tied to it which creates a veneer of a character arc, but she doesn't have any reason to regret any of her actions, nor does she seem to be any different at the end of the series than she was at the start.
Mutinying was the 'right' thing to do, and she (almost) did it again. When the bad Federation people wanted to hurt the Tardigrade, she stopped them, and she did the same thing when they wanted to destroy Kronos. The final speech where she talks about 'redemption' is entirely unearned, because she hasn't changed at all or made any mistakes.

>I mean holy shit, the entire fucking season is about cleaning up her mess she caused in the pilot.
No, that was already established as the 'correct' course of action, and she was absolved of all guilt for starting the war in the third episode.

Star Trek: Enterprise... each consecutive season just gets worse

>t. didn't watch, don't care
I won't argue with someone who doesn't know jack shit about the show and builds his arguments entirely on assumptions.

I like how you ignore that other post because it hurts your argument.

It's okay, I know you're only angry because you know you're wrong.

>A temporary misunderstanding is the same as a character flaw
It's not a post worth replying to, because whoever wrote it doesn't understand the difference. It's a weak and unpersuasive argument which doesn't undermine the point.

I don't think you are wrong, exactly, but I'm not sure what you want. Burnham isn't written as a character with no regrets, even if you think she shouldn't have any. The actual script of the show says that Michael feels she was wrong and regrets numerous things that happened along the way. I don't think it's a very strong script, and it absolutely has characterization problems, but that's what it says.

Are you just saying you think it would be better if the characters made more bad choices? You never really see Picard or Data etc. making bad choices on TNG, was that a problem for you?

Does anyone else find it weird how Sarek was allowed to raise Michael as a pseudo-Vulcan? I mean, it makes sense for Spock - he was half-Vulcan anyway. But with Michael, why did the Federation not grow concerned with a human child having to go through Vulcan schooling, that obviously seems too much for a human child and is in no ways catered to their levels? Why were they okay with a human kid apparently having very little contact with human culture? It's one thing to have Amanda accept not seeing humans often, she's a grown woman who made her own choices, but Michael was a kid. Did they just think
>well, there's Amanda, she'll make sure the kid doesn't grow up a sperg
when it became more and more obvious that Sarek, despite being a humanboo, still expected Michael to follow the Vulcan philosphy of life and Amanda's influence meant shit and Michael grew up to be an emotional mess making shit decisions left and right?
>Name 3 shows that do not improve by the 2nd, or 3rd season, and only get worse.
The Walking Dead
American Horror Story
Hannibal (the show was shit from the start, only faggots will defend this pile of shit)

You're fuckin dumb

Why would it be any different than Worf being raised by humans? Human schools aren't exactly a good fit for a Klingon child either.

Personally, I would like the show to not be the Michael Burnham show unless they're going to make Michael Burnham compelling and flawed.

Sure, because coming to the complete opposite conclusion than what happened in the series you argue about isn't weak and unpersuasive...

You weren't asking for character flaws, you were just asking for times when she was wrong. Since you are now wrong, the lesson you should learn is that you need to write your posts better.

Even if your main argument is correct, the fact that your ego prevents you from admitting that you were wrong about a side argument indicates that you are arguing in bad faith and will not genuinely consider any counterarguments put to you whatsoever, so any discussion with you is pointless anyway. Oh well.

he was raised by Russians/Ukrainians/Belorussians tho, they're practically Klingons anyway

It is definitely a problem when your main character is the least interesting. I feel that they had kind of written themselves into a corner with her. Hypercompetence is expected in Trek, but then they also wanted to make her troubled by regret over her mutiny, ostracized by Starfleet, and hampered by weird human-vs-vulcan emotion stuff. There were too many pre-defined constraints on who she was supposed to be for the writers to have any room to maneuver her characterization.
I think it's a consequence of the show wanting to rush in to the meat, without taking the time to build a world first. They probably thought "hey, this is Star Trek so the world is already established and we just need to make up a plot," but of course that doesn't work when you need believable, unique characters to act out that story. A classic Star Trek show would have started out slow, and then dumped the major emotional load later on. TNG would not have worked if The Best of Both Worlds Part 2 was the first episode. In the same way, Burnham probably could have been molded into a better character if they had taken the time to explore her and her world before the mutiny.

You are right Cadet, it is pretty cool.

There's some serious shit going on inside Sarek's mind, the level of involvement with humans on his part is creepishly astounding. In a way, sorta fitting to his character.

Toronto is a very left leaning city. Maybe one of the reasons TV and movies is infested with left leaning politics and diversity pandering is because they gauge reception in a city with San Francsico esque political trends.

Ontario has a dyke Premier who brought in a 15$ minimum wage, covers for Islamic extremism, has SJW shit mandatory in the Ontario educational curriculum, and funding for homeopathic programs in University.

Pic related. It's Kathleen Wynne, ardent feminist, segregated and sitting at the back of a mosque.

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No, but I remember a triggered idiot in the thread getting it into his head that they switched despite the show making it entirely clear that they didn't, complaining about it here, and getting BTFO horribly.

>funding for homeopathic programs in University
This is a can of worms that I would be willing to discuss if it was not offtopic, for the thread and the board.
Let's say there are good reasons why it is happening, and it might have some relation to the topic of "humanity progress," so let's let it rest here.

They hint they are connected. I thought the same shit.

oh shit, damn this is hard

>first officer saru, XO
>cadet Tilly, spore drive geek
>lt. cmdr. Stamets, chief engineer
>lieutenant Owosekun, operations
>lieutenant Detmer, helmsman
And that's all I know.

Here's the thing, Spock and Sarek's relationship has always been strained. So you're half-vulcan and grow up of Vulcan with your vulcan dad who wants you to succeed in vulcan society. This does not happen because you're half-human, so you end up in starfleet, surrounded by humans. After all that, you find out dad adopted a human who he proceeds to raise as :Spock 2.0". She of course, gets BTFO of Vulcan, joins starfleet, starts a fucking war, then shows up all "Hey, bro!". I hope Spock punches her.

I'm talking about the intriguing human fever that afflicts Sarek.

wrong

Sarek is too short to be a Vulcan.

The episode really did act like mirror stametz waking up was something unexpected, twisty, or dramatic. The scene is totally redundant but its placed and produced like its a cliffhanger of some sort.

>Hypercompetence is expected in Trek
no it isn't

specialists in their fields are expected to be exceptional in their fields. Never before has a single character been the best at everything.

But michae l isnt best at everything. She goes mutiny and starts a war ffs

she has to mutiny because people don't listen to her despite the fact she's right. She starts the war because people don't follow her plan well enough and that maek angry >:(

There isn't a single point in the show where she is wrong or her reasoning is flawed.

He looks like shit

>prophet to the bajorans whose space station he's at to bring them into the federation
>stops invading gamma quadrant fleet by convincing the wormhole aliens to make them disappear
>stops Dukat's attempt to release the Pah-wraiths who would destroy entire Bajor
Neither of these tasks could've been done by anyone else than him.

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Mikey Burham will join

>pic related?

over my rotting corpse

I don't think lorca will be captain again.

season 2 will be burham vs empress
dr (hYou) will return
SCREENCAP THIS

3 WHITE MALES
1 BLACK MALE
1 WHITE FEMALE

Its an absolute certainty that she will be captain in season2

>drop this shitshow a couple of episodes in
>show is over
>decide to give it another shot and watch another episode
>show reminds me of how retarded the previous episodes were
>the autistic girl is a super forward outgoing party whore
>timeloop shenanigans but shit
>for some reason the episode is about the black bitchface instead of the faggot doc
>episode was ass
>still hate the entire crew

Season 2 finishes with old Riker saying "computer end and delete program".
Screen Cap this.

i have two urethras. one isn't functional. didn't even know i was weird until I was in my 20s

No one cares what you want, not even your family. Grow up.

lel

I want to rape all three of Michael Burnhams holes while calling her a nigger and forcing her to grovel at my feet naked while calling me master after which I'll cum in her cute little fro. Anyone else?

How is this Star Trek: Discovery? What's the main gimmick? Like Next Generation was about a science ship with families, D9 was about a UN space station, Voyager was about being lost in space, Enterprise was about being back in time, and the Original was about being the first show.

>having sex with a black

Super gross dude.

Season 2 will feature the original Kobayashi Maru scenario. Mark my words.

Six months ago you were promising me that she would already be the captain at the end of season 1.

Nah they just fucked up your circumcision Alexander.

Halt and catch fire

Watch The Orville. It's a better Star Trek series than STD.

Fuck off for not answering me. This is why Trek community sucks.

>How is this Star Trek: Discovery? What's the main gimmick?

No white people. Or maybe 1. And that 1 is a flaming faggot. STD simply stands for Star Trek Diversity.

You expect me to summarize this clusterfuck in s1? The themes hope or some dumb shit.

>asking Cred Forums about their opinion of a show that's been pioneering sjw since the 60's
That was your first mistake.

Can't tell if b8

You want to pretend that Cred Forums isn't a Cred Forums colony?

The captain is white.

>Being angry online about STD or Cred Forums

I still can't tell if b8

Lol, call it what it actually is. STD.

What about Data?

Remember when Star Trek used to be about exploration? I miss those days, anons.

The dude who originally called sisko the emissary made the point that the emissary wasn’t something sisko was born as, but simply the name given to the person in sisko’s position. The idea being had sisko died at wolf 359, whomever came to occupy that point in history would have been the emissary.

>The captain is white.

Since when?

That's complete bullshit and you know it. Nobody could have taken his place because he was half wormhole alien. He was born for the sole reason to fulfil his role as emissary.

"The Sisko is of Bajor."

>a direct quote from the show
>das bullshit and u now et

So I take it we’re done here.

Yes we are.

A gracious concession.

>Phasers make this shitty fzzzzzzzzzzzzz power up sound everytime someone draws one
>They seem to have to delay firing for around a second, because it's making that fzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz noise
>large number of fights have the phaser slapped out of someone's hand because they have to wait for it to go fzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz
>even though the phaser keeps getting slapped out of their hands, they never carry a backup
>maybe that's for the best though, because there'd just be more fucking fzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz noises

Since episode 3.

I couldn't bring myself to watch more than a handful of episodes

The entire world and plot is just so fucking unappealing. Even disconnected from Star Trek it's just plain bad.

I can't help but feel everyone who defends it is just doing some sort of contrarian dick-measuring contest.

I liked how they couldn’t even keep that consistent, as burnham switches a phaser to kill right in the middle of that charge-up and it works fine

Pre-STD their service had a bit over 2 million subs. It now has 2.5 million. Star Trek brought them less than half a million subs. They need to drop it.

It’s a pump and dump scheme. They’re going to keep acting like they’re making billions off them internets then liquidate CBS

Wow, that's pretty weak. No way half a million subs is worth whatever budget they spend on this show.

You marathoned a show you don't enjoy. People like you are fucking idiots.

Delete this.

Over 8 million per episode.

They spent 0 on the show. Netflix reimbursed them for the whole thing.

Huh? I think people do it to be sure their opinion on that show is valid. You cant dismiss it after one episode. 3-5 maybe. With DISCO it's also the fanboyism - I wanted it to be good, so I kept watching. Easy. Im not in for season 2 though. I am SURE now. It's trash.

She spins it around, big fucking deal.

Most fans didn't even watch a fucking episode and declared it was shit, you think your special because you watched something you don't like and then declare "they aint gonna get me a second time" fuck off.

You'll be back and saying the same old shit.

Worth: I have nothing... to live for out there.
Leaven: What is out there?
Worth: Boundless human stupidity.
Leaven: I can live with that.

>go into show with no opinion of it
>didn't like it
>WHY DIDNT YOU LIKE IT?? WHY DID YOU EVEN WATCH IT THE FIRST PLACE AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA

Don't worry Timmy, in your next autism class you are gonna learn how to deal when people have different opinions.

They shouldn't have made it a prequel and they shouldn't have killed off Lorca. Lorca was the best character in the show and making it a prequel ensured that all of the Discovery's adventures have zero effect on the timeline. The blink drive? Suddenly Starfleet doesn't want to use it even though it won the war? The war? Suddenly a fanatical Klingon decides to pull back the forces around Earth just because. Bad decision making.

I feel strongly that this character would better serve being rendered down for hamburger meat and distributed to the Klingons as emergency rations.

It's funny because you're posting the morbidly-obese version of the Excelsior.

I have never seen the asian and the nig

Fuller leaving threw the show into chaos, they had no idea what to do. That's why the Mirror universe episodes were spread out from 3 to 4. (The 3rd episode is the shortest one in the season) and the ending was rushed and done poorly. Kurtzman is a hack and wasn't talented enough to save the show, all he knows how to do is pew pew.

they have the only ship that has an ability to warp on big distances, but this season was about the war and it wasn't used to explore, but to make an excuse for the team to be in the middle of action + parralel universe storyline. Also they wrote the finale in a way that they can ditch that concept in season 2 and it would not feel forced, so I think showrunners will do what will be popular with audience

can we unironically list good things about the show? I like Ash storyline, Lorca, peaceful planet episode, some moments with Tilly were funny, and I like the idea of Saru being captain

>Ash storyline
>I was born a klingon named Voq, son of none
>but I underwent species reassignment surgery
>now I am a human named ash
>this is my story

species is a social construct.

>morbidly-obese version of the Excelsior
SwolExcelcior: note the doubled impulse engines, thick shortened neck, and buff nacelles
Dat ship is /FIT/

Star Trek: Get to know our interesting cast and how they sometimes clash!
STTNG: Get to know our interesting cast and how they sometimes clash!
DS9: Get to know our interesting cast and how they sometimes clash!
Voyager: Get to know our interesting cast and how they sometimes clash!
Enterprise: Get to know our interesting cast and how they sometimes clash!
Discovery: Get to know one character, with a few others fleshed out a little. Most of them die or wander off. Most of the cast you couldn't even name.

Lorca is awesome.

Everytime Tilly got blown up in the temporal episode.

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That is about it.

So, the NCC-1701 appeared at the end of the last episode in this season, linking it with the glorious past.
I'm here wondering how anything could go wrong. It would be impossible to fuck this up.

>STTNG: Get to know our interesting cast and how they sometimes clash!
No they don't.

>The episode really did act like mirror stametz waking up was something unexpected, twisty, or dramatic. The scene is totally redundant but its placed and produced like its a cliffhanger of some sort.
It was supposed to be the audience expecting prime Stamets to wake up, but it's the mirror stamets waking up instead.
I liked the Lethe episode with Sarek relations. The twist was interesting, and the revelation that parent-child relationships may be imperfect was something I could relate to.
Sounds like your expectations are high, setting yourself up for disappointment. I am much more cautious after the last episode's cringey conclusion.

mang i know you were just trolling to get someone to post this, so here it is.

youtube.com/watch?v=HKII3sFUCgs

>It was supposed to be the audience expecting prime Stamets to wake up, but it's the mirror stamets waking up instead.

Like was said, totally redundant and perfunctory.

You're the one trolling if you're comparing TNG season 7 with STD season 1. The only fair comparison is STD season 1 to TNG season 1, when the cast wasn't interesting and they didn't clash.

>Sounds like your expectations are high
Do you realize there is a reason for that spoilered image that is attached to the post, for a recent example from another franchise?

STD season 1 was worse than any first season of any trek, so I don't know ... wait I do know, you're a shill.

There was some tension in season 1 between the crew. Also, TNG S1 is far and away superior to STD.

Oh. I-I was being retarded on purpose. Haha...

TNG season 1 was worse, and if you doubt this then you need to watch TNG season 1 again. I know you won't though. You don't have it in you.

>steampunk & star trek

I hate everything. Including star trek

The non-Q segments of encounter at farpoint are pretty bad, but STDs1 is basically all of those segments stretched to 15 episodes.

Even at its absolute worst, there was never any doubt that TNG was Star Trek, rather than some other random sci-fi script waiting in a bin somewhere that just had the Star Trek branding slapped all over it, all with zero awareness of what Star Trek was about.

Okay, except maybe that "Conspiracy" episode debacle that they were smart enough never to follow up on, "Sub Rosa", and one or two of the Wessely episodes... But that's certainly a better ratio of actual Star Trek to random sci-fi than STD has demonstrated, currently scoring 1 of 15, at best.

Almost agreed. I really like Lexx though