Why did the good guys lose Cred Forums?

Jaxson Moore
Jaxson Moore

Why did the good guys lose Cred Forums?

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Brody Cruz
Brody Cruz

The game was fixed

Tyler Brown
Tyler Brown

And who exactly were the good guys?

Connor Perez
Connor Perez

MARTHA
WHY DID YOU SAY THAT NAME?

Eli Phillips
Eli Phillips

You know who

Ryder Ross
Ryder Ross

I love that scene because it shows that Batman was misguided and completely forgot to see Superman as a human. The whole film is about lies and how these superheroes are being mislead against each others and in the final moment, right before execution he realizes he's the monster he's chasing. Sort of like Luke Skywalker tearing Vader's arm off and it he sees his own robotic arm. It's cinema poetry.

Dylan Ortiz
Dylan Ortiz

implying they portrayed Superman right
Fuck off. MoS and BvS ruined him

Parker Barnes
Parker Barnes

We know how Superman is portrayed in the hands of Marvel hacks.

look he can fly!
look he says the funny stuff and does forced smiles!

Disgusting. Morally repulsive. Cinema abortion.

Adam Hernandez
Adam Hernandez

and then Superman causes the deaths of thousands of people because he's too stupid to take the villain out of the city

and then that sociopathic racoon saves millions of people by keeping suicide bombers away from a city

Joshua Bennett
Joshua Bennett

it's a cool idea but they fumbled the execution, objectively

Zachary Murphy
Zachary Murphy

The Superman that saves billions of lives and is then forced to fight against a super-bred Kryptonian general in which he, through the grace luck, barely gains the upper hand at the end. Superman is not a Gary Stu.

Joshua Sullivan
Joshua Sullivan

Snyder was fighting Disney smear campaign machine, SJW bloggers and critics and on top of that a retarded WB management that kept forcing him to expand his films for more characters with less run time.

He was fighting a battle nobody could in this climate.

Robert Cox
Robert Cox

For You

Ryder Wood
Ryder Wood

console-war tier bullshit over brands of fucking capeshit
Can you all just please kill yourselves?

Austin Fisher
Austin Fisher

superman
debates whether or not to save people whilst looking down on them
your fedora is showing

Levi Clark
Levi Clark

Mr. Freeze..what sad motherfucker. T_T

Noah Robinson
Noah Robinson

from the 80´s to now people like the edgier characters and does not matter if they are the good or the bad guys

Evan Cooper
Evan Cooper

Pretty good picture OP but I always liked this one more

Blake Green
Blake Green

debates whether or not to save people
He never does that. To him that choice is obvious. Why he dies for them.

Christian Green
Christian Green

There isn't a single moment in the DCEU more emotional than this.
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Benjamin Wright
Benjamin Wright

pretentious drivel
stupid quip
Yeah, clear winner here.

Parker Peterson
Parker Peterson

That's a good scene. But made somewhat trivialized through that overdone funeral.

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Here. A simple scene of Clark reminiscing about his father. Followed by a scene with a confused and lost Bruce without a father figure to guide him. Guilt overtaking him.

Jaxon Lee
Jaxon Lee

why does he hover above them and look constipated? those people need saving right?

Jason Hughes
Jason Hughes

But Pa Kent is an awful character who thinks Clark should have let an entire school bus of kids drown and stops him from saving him even though he was right in front of him.

Meanwhile Yondu, while being a pirate is a good person deep down and after he realized what Ego was doing with the kids he delivered to him, decided to make up for his crimes and raised Peter as his own son to save his life.

Jaxson Green
Jaxson Green

He's signaling his arrival. You see that panicked woman that cries in joy when she sees him? Yes that's why you retard.

Daniel Bell
Daniel Bell

Why is he being so dramatic about it. Why is he wasting time just hovering in the air. Shouldn't he be saving people? Someone could have died in the time he took to make sure people saw him.

Levi Walker
Levi Walker

after he realized what Ego was doing with the kids he delivered to him
He always knew that. He just didn't want to know it. Yondu was scum.

Owen Watson
Owen Watson

Are you retarded? That scene lasts for a whole two seconds and then ends. You really think people were dying left and right when he had clear sight of the lands?

This is the thing not even a fifth-grader complains about. But to MCUcks it has to be made into a big deal. This is why it's hard to take your shitflinging seriously, knowing the source itself is unfiltered feces.

Oliver Wood
Oliver Wood

HAHA

I GET THE REFERENCE

EMPIRE STRIKES BACK IS THAT MOVIE DADDY LIKES

Aiden Ortiz
Aiden Ortiz

A yes BvS Lex. Piss jars and jolly rangers are truly the highest form of intelligent writing in modern cinema.

Meanwhile Spider Man gets this scene which has great writing and shows how Uncle Ben is already dead in MCU but doesn't need to shove it in our face.
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Gavin Turner
Gavin Turner

Serious Comicbook movie are a dead trend. Go back and read TDKR reviews and you can see critics even giving Nolan shit for being humorless. Marvel has shaped what the mass audience think CBM have to be like and DC must follow or die.

Adam Evans
Adam Evans

Ah yes Spidey the Avengers fanboy who is also a literal twink. What a role model for kids. They even hired a literal fag for the job.

Bentley Flores
Bentley Flores

Yet people loved Logan and it was a box office hit. People want serious comic book movies that are GOOD, which the DCEU movies are not.

Hudson Cruz
Hudson Cruz

Critics liked it because the whole film was FUCK DRUMPF, WALLS ARE RACIST.

The actual film at the BO performed like any X-Men would.

Gabriel Thomas
Gabriel Thomas

And then Drax gets one of the most emotional moments in the movie.
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Wyatt Russell
Wyatt Russell

That scene was literally made for toddlers. Even the score leaves as little as possible to imagination.

Carter Rogers
Carter Rogers

Why did the good guys lose Cred Forums?
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That's how it goes
Everybody knows

Jaxon Smith
Jaxon Smith

Nice projecting. You're just like the SJWs looking for a reason to get offended so you look for messages that aren't there.

Parker Harris
Parker Harris

triggered disneylet still doesn't get it lmao

Zachary Powell
Zachary Powell

If you think Logan was in any ways "serious" you're fucking deluded. Bet you think just because it had gore and curse words it was "deep". It had less substance than fucking GoTG. And it was desperately masking its own shallow nature through gore and thinly veiled political statements for easy critic points.

Asher Sanders
Asher Sanders

This from the guy who thinks BvS has depth when it doesn't even have characters who have been properly developed or that we've had time to get to know and love. People felt NOTHING for Superman's death.

Meanwhile people had know Hugh Jackman's Wolverine for almost 20 years. We saw his struggles, his pain, and his hopes and then we saw him finally achieve happiness at the last moment of his life. DC wishes they could make a movie as good as Logan.

Noah Edwards
Noah Edwards

Your argument is literally "no, u" shut the fuck up

Gavin Taylor
Gavin Taylor

DC wishes they could make a thinly veiled political propaganda film in which characters are acting like literal retards to create drama? And then the villain is Logan in reverse but without the implications Doomsday has on Superman? And then the kids are brought over Drumpf's racist border control and Logan dies? Bravo!

Ryder Ramirez
Ryder Ramirez

Batman's line would have been great if they took their time and gave him a few solo films so we could see the broken promises he's talking about.

Joseph Rodriguez
Joseph Rodriguez

Superman the normal kryptonian defeats the Super warrior Kryptonian who was bred for war.
Superman is not marry sue guys.

Listen to yourself.

Lucas Lopez
Lucas Lopez

Logan was loved because it as a send off, just like people loved TDKR despite how silly it was.

Cooper Morgan
Cooper Morgan

NO I DON'T WANT TO USE MY IMAGINATION I DON'T WANT TO THINK ABOUT THE CLEARLY DISPLAYED ROBIN SUIT WITH JOKER'S MARKS ON. GIVE ME MORE BUILD UP MOVIES DEECEE

Ryder Lee
Ryder Lee

If he was Mary Sue, he would've solved the dilemma posed on him by Zod and Lex without any costs. But he does pay heavy prices in both cases. In the first, taking a life. In the second, taking his own life. This is why he's not Mary Sue since the difficulties his presented with are without perfect solutions.

Nathan Fisher
Nathan Fisher

And then the villain is Logan in reverse but without the implications Doomsday has on Superman
What implications? Superman doesn't even knowledge that Doomsday is Zod.

Meanwhile X-23 is a massifestation of Logan's worst fear, his animalistic feral side that's nothing but a raging beast. The scene where X-23 comes down the steps and they just look at each other, Logan being unable to believe what's he's seeing and 23 seeing Logan as weak and inferior leaves a lasting impression.

Joshua Ramirez
Joshua Ramirez

M-muh Jewperman.

DC wanks...

Josiah Brown
Josiah Brown

why cant we just use our imagination why do we need it all pointed out? The less told is a better take on his mental state imo

Eli Moore
Eli Moore

why can't superman be fun?

Austin Moore
Austin Moore

Do you think Doomsday was Superman in reverse? No. Doomsday was the manifestation of all twisted that Superman was accused of being but wasn't. Lex creates a twisted Superman and throws it at him and says "this is you, motherfucker. Have fun". The symbolic victory of Superman when he kills Doomsday is he also kills this perception of him and the world unites by his side again in the ending.
"The blood on your hands."

Benjamin Ross
Benjamin Ross

Why must everything be the same quippy and fun? What's the point of 20 capeshit films a year that are barely distinguishable?

Zachary Brown
Zachary Brown

oh i dont know, maybe because its enjoyable

William Gomez
William Gomez

Repetition is not enjoyable.

Jeremiah Smith
Jeremiah Smith

Because they have likable characters who act like heroes, while DCEU Superman does nothing but brood, complain, and kill thousands of people yet for some reason is still celebrated as a hero.

Xavier Nguyen
Xavier Nguyen

Because fun is boring now. I'm not even a fanboy the shitty DCEU movies but I wish superhero movies could be serious again.

Brayden Bennett
Brayden Bennett

Are you always this intellectually dishonest? I know it's a capeshit thread but come on.

Justin Gray
Justin Gray

Yet Snyder's Superman is far more heroic and earnest and compassionate than any quiplord of the MCU. So much that you have to invent literal lies to make yourself feel better about your ignorance.

Xavier Nelson
Xavier Nelson

Man of Steel is my favourite anime

Anthony Ross
Anthony Ross

Name an MCU character who leveled a city and then made out with his girlfriend in the middle of the rubble.

Ayden Torres
Ayden Torres

Well superman's disguise is a pair of glasses.

No matter how bleak, dark, heavy, and serious you make the character, you will never erase his ridiculous nature.
So just make that motherfucker fun, and be over with it.
If I want to mope I'll watch Requiem for a Dream or Amores perros.
superman is just not the right vessel for serious heavy-handed drama.

Cooper Taylor
Cooper Taylor

the most lucrative movie franchise going
never broke away from its mold
you were sayin?

Andrew Green
Andrew Green

Name an MCU character who leveled a city
Tony Stark when he charged that alien straight through World Trade Center and then quipped about it being a party.

and then made out with his girlfriend
A touching last kiss before a potentially life-ending confrontation with Zod. Most people would excuse him for the sentimentality.

Jaxon Foster
Jaxon Foster

the most lucrative food franchise going
never broke away from its mold
you were saying?

Elijah Miller
Elijah Miller

This. Also, unlike a certain film that shall remain nameless, your flying opponent won't just go shere you want just because you declare an out,-of-bounds.

"Establish a perimeter," my fucking ass.

Michael Cruz
Michael Cruz

Whats your point? McDonald's is still loved and enjoyed by the vast majority of people

Logan Edwards
Logan Edwards

Hey you mall cop! Stand behind that car and give me a perimeter against this air-borne laser-shooting alien army!

Anthony Young
Anthony Young

Superman holds all the blame for the rampage of destruction caused by 3 renegade Kyrptonians

Jayden Gomez
Jayden Gomez

In the first, taking a life
Which has no lasting impact on his character. It also comes out of no where because we never see him having a no kill policy

In the second, taking his own life
And he comes back three movies later even stronger. Truly a great consequence.

Joseph Long
Joseph Long

People may eat it in extreme quantities but it sure as fuck ain't healthy for them.

Ian Thomas
Ian Thomas

Well thank God for fast food. Learn to love it, because that's all we'll be getting from here on out.

Wyatt Hall
Wyatt Hall

What about smallsville. It's the fucking country side, he could have taken Zod in literally any direction and fight him in an empty field. Instead he takes him directly into his home town and causes and insane amount of damage.

Ian Cox
Ian Cox

And he comes back three movies later even stronger.
3 movies is a long time for capeshit, and he wasn't stronger. If Marvel killed off Cap he'd be back in 3 months when the next movie came out.

Sebastian Ross
Sebastian Ross

hey guys ive heard all these arguments before so im gonna take off and check out the catalog okay bye

Ian Morales
Ian Morales

And he comes back three movies later even stronger
Almost like Snyder intended for Superman to rogue with a Black Suit....Almost as if....

Which has no lasting impact on his character
Except when he's on the ground crying like a child over doing the unforgivable. But hey, you're the one accusing him of being emo. Suddenly he doesn't dwell enough on his actions?

Jason Sanchez
Jason Sanchez

its all fast food at the end of the day, its just marvel dont try to sugar coat it into looking like something its not

Caleb Moore
Caleb Moore

At what part of the fight was Clark ever at liberty to turn the battlefield away from Metropolis to somewhere else? He even tries to punch Zod away but he kept flying back from it stronger than before.

Ian Turner
Ian Turner

You're right. He lost his head and made a rookie mistake. This guy you insist is a Mary Sue.

Jaxson Thompson
Jaxson Thompson

telling cops who want to help how to do so more effectively is bad

Henry Morris
Henry Morris

implying the lines on the right weren't funny
It may not be highbrow, but it was amusing.

Easton Scott
Easton Scott

Bullshit. Just look how "important" Black Panther is.

Ryan Bell
Ryan Bell

telling cops who write parking tickets to establish a perimeter against an enemy that is completely airborne and thus is absolutely retarded to even assume a ground perimeter would work
Just admit the whole last part of Avengers was absolute raping. Like Hulk saying he's always angry. Like Tony quipping when that skyscraper comes down with potentially thousands in it. Like them eating a kebab the day after, Whedon making the implication this 9/11 x 100 event was actually just a wild night at the disco.

Jason Ward
Jason Ward

superman is NOT a mary sue
ok, now I've heard it all...

Oliver Hughes
Oliver Hughes

Actually namrepuS is Superman in reverse.

Hudson Bailey
Hudson Bailey

They would be funny under different context. Strange was trying to stop him from executing a guy and then he stops to have the exchange about his name.

Isaiah Wilson
Isaiah Wilson

telling them to do something impossible is good

How many no-fly zones you ever seen some street cops establish?

John Mitchell
John Mitchell

Soyboy alert

Julian Lee
Julian Lee

not connecting the dots on a fantasy story.

you DIsney fags are killing the art of storytelling.

Camden Ortiz
Camden Ortiz

This. The quip itself is not the sin but how Marvel presents them. The story always requires me to basically not give a shit about anyone. Like haha that guy died but whatever the quips go on. And then the emotional moments are so melodramatic it comes off extremely manufactured and done by the numbers.

Carter Allen
Carter Allen

The single best scene from a slew of shitty movies vs one joke from a comedy movie

Easton White
Easton White

To be fair, the Dr. Strange on was funny and the only good bit of the the entire movie.

Jackson Miller
Jackson Miller

So which is it, faggot? Taking the fight into Smallville was a genius move that worked perfectly or it was a bonehead move? Because Mary Sues only make mistakes that benefit them.

Hunter Morgan
Hunter Morgan

honestly
how do you post that with a straight face when that moment literally points out the over sexualised aunt may
fucking tasteless retard
eat shit

Joseph Allen
Joseph Allen

I want him to be perfect but not too perfect.

no wonder the mouse swallowed all of you so easily.

Christopher Powell
Christopher Powell

superman is the literal definition of a mary sue

Xavier Wood
Xavier Wood

Quads of unvarnished truth. Sexy Aunt May completely misses the entire point of the character.

Jose Hill
Jose Hill

t. never read the best Supes comics

Nolan Kelly
Nolan Kelly

Aren't you the guys who praise Snyder for changing Superman and Batman?

Thomas Wilson
Thomas Wilson

I know what they were going for.

hey Aunt May is such a relic of the 60's. Aunts these days are cool and liberated and with sex lives! Let's take her outta the kitchen and into Tinder!
We don't know how good Raimi was until we lost him. Nothing in the MCU will ever beat Aunt May talking to Peter about the importance of heroes in SM2.

Elijah Harris
Elijah Harris

wait, whats the point of aunt may? Homecoming at least made her into eye candy

Nathaniel Myers
Nathaniel Myers

Day of the dead seems like such a sweet holiday

Liam Bailey
Liam Bailey

keep making a parallel betwewen him and a fucking mesiah
what the movie actually shows is him using his powers to destroy a man's life because he bullied him
actual christian ethos hero would have helped even the ones who harm him
he was on the verge of using his power to murder some kids that were bullying him even though they couldn't possibly psychically harm him
again; instead of being on the christian ethos; he's shown flirting with sadism and revenge
only a "hero" because he's practically unbeatable and can fly face first into a teraforming laser without even scratching his suit
his "sacrifice" is having to snap a guy's neck

Austin Hughes
Austin Hughes

Snyder changed Superman less than you think. It all depends on which comics you're looking at.

Brody Lewis
Brody Lewis

The version dumbasses like you insist on is, yeah. He's all yours now.

By the way, the way Killmonger dies in Black Panther? That's the textbook definition of death by Mary Sue - villain refusing help while the blameless Mary Sue tries to convince him to let him save him. It's exactly the kind of bullshit comics had been trying to break from the entire Silver Age.

James Martinez
James Martinez

that rare pepe is dank.

Alexander White
Alexander White

Superman was doing that guy a favor.

Mark 10:25: It is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle than for someone who is rich to enter the kingdom of God."

Now that man is without riches.

Ryder James
Ryder James

Mother of God. That's the fucking point. He's not Jesus any more than he's Horus or Apollo.

Is Lex a saint?

Gavin Evans
Gavin Evans

Superman is not Jesus. Superman merely parallels Jesus. You must learn to distinguish these two. There's even a biblical passage in MoS that says he's not Jesus.

Juan Adams
Juan Adams

Horus and Apollo embodied natural and abstract elements of reality. They weren't just guys with superpowers.

Ryder Howard
Ryder Howard

you faggots take capeshit and comic books to seriously.
At least marvel knows this shit is dumb and has fun with it.

Luis Green
Luis Green

The point of her is that Pete is all she has. She's old, frail, widowed, and Pete is all she has left in the world. The same is also true for Pete, and he's terrified that her learning that he's out risking his life on a nightly basis would quite literally worry her to death.

In Homecoming, they treat the revelation with all the gravitas of a teenager's mom finding his porn stash.

Ayden Myers
Ayden Myers

We all have fun in our own ways. I just wish this genre didn't have only one way now.

Brayden Murphy
Brayden Murphy

the scene could be fixed by simply changing "martha" for "mother" or "mom"

John Harris
John Harris

and yet people and critics loved logan
a completely serious
deep and thematic journey
about demythologization and the death of a genre.
...get this dceu shit out of here it's over.
enjoy aquaman.

Juan Hill
Juan Hill

It wouldn't. It might be less goofy, but the whole thing had already become a joke by the time Batman hits Superman in the head with a sink.

Joshua Bailey
Joshua Bailey

But then you lose the redemption arc of Bruce literally saving Martha and ridding himself of childhood guilt. It would work but the poetry would be less potent. You're right that normalfags would probably like it more.

Martha won't die tonight

A promise to the little boy Clark.

Chase Nguyen
Chase Nguyen

this.

Easton Cruz
Easton Cruz

The way flash runs pissed me off to no end. I really enjoyed the two earlier movies and the sense of danger. Justice league was to forced with the quips and strayed to far off the fear of annihilation.

Hudson Long
Hudson Long

Dat defensive behavior.
The point is that the movie was obviously trying to put him within the confines of christian ethos with the dialogue and imagery except the script of the movie misses the whole point.

Superman never goes the exact opposite way of sadism and revenge; at best he avoids using his powers to hurt some kids, except he also uses his powers to destroy the livelihood of a guy he didn't like. Even though I'm an atheists I can clearly see that there's no scene where Superman has the "charm" of the christian ethos. It's basically all bark no bite.

Nathaniel Williams
Nathaniel Williams

who stands like this when a lot of people are worshiping you? This is the most arrogant pose you could do in such a situation

Wyatt Scott
Wyatt Scott

Maybe he is assessing the situation and deciding who needs his help first. Or should he just fly down and save the first person he sees?

Julian Smith
Julian Smith

That, my friend, is what is known as a non-point.

Stop defending Disney's low-effort bullshit. That sort of attitude is what makes shit like The Last Jedi possible. "Sure, it's fucking silly and doesn't even give enough fucks to avoid contradicting its own rules or turning Luke Skywalker into a prop comic, but at least we got a "yo mama" joke. Those are still funny, right?"

Nathaniel Cook
Nathaniel Cook

deep and thematic journey
Logan has the depth of a puddle. You just won't see it since the film blinds you with overly dramatic nihilism, gore and general misery. It's a bad film and not even entertaining given it's self-wallowing state. Logan is literally everything haters accuse BvS of being and none of its good things.

Ian Richardson
Ian Richardson

if the guy is as fast as the flash does it matter?

Bentley Smith
Bentley Smith

A quip or two! And then a forced smile. And then Well folks remember to fight for truth and justice! And remember I'm cooler than Batman!

Woosh! *Shitty hack Elfman music plays*

Christopher Howard
Christopher Howard

because they tried to appeal to everyone. The older fans, kids, modern comics fans, nostalgia folks and fans that want some realism.

If DC was doing well internationally they should have stuck with their formula.

Josiah Ross
Josiah Ross

He's looking back at the burning building to make sure he didn't miss anybody.

Carson Perry
Carson Perry

That, my friend, is what is known as a non-point.
How is it a non-point? Gods embodied and represented abstracted concepts, something that Snyder's Superman does not.

James Sanders
James Sanders

I'll just survive in the vacuum of space and save you

Carson Edwards
Carson Edwards

explain why bvs is a better film then logan.
Don't worry, this is a safe zone.
No one will judge you for your objectively wrong opinion.

Henry Sanchez
Henry Sanchez

leaving things in ellipses is too much for the average film-goer apparently

Luke Ross
Luke Ross

He's looking at people doing a modern-day rendition of the Passover. It freaked him out and made him aware that even the *order* he saves people in sends a message when people are looking at you as some sort of god.

Brayden James
Brayden James

a thinly veiled political propaganda film in which characters are acting like literal retards to create drama?

You just described BvS.

Isaac Moore
Isaac Moore

logan was pretty good until the third act, at which point it all fell apart. A wolverine clone was just a slap in the face and a cop out

Logan Collins
Logan Collins

You're still confusing parallels and literal figurative embodiment of Jesus. Something Superman isn't.

Isaac Walker
Isaac Walker

superman is an ideal to strive towards
I never understood this logic. Only thing that makes him special are superpowers.

Kayden Cox
Kayden Cox

Because the bad guys were the executives who fucked with Snyder's shit since BvS.
Man of Steel was great, but WB wanted it's fucking cinematic universe.

Ryan Lee
Ryan Lee

Because Millennials are permanent manchildren that need to be pandered to in the most repetitious, juvenile manner possible...?

Brody Flores
Brody Flores

Tell me the political message of BvS.

Blake Nguyen
Blake Nguyen

misses the whole thematic point, of having a logan clone antagonizing logan.
bravo.

Thomas Garcia
Thomas Garcia

missing the point of superman

Aaron Morales
Aaron Morales

there was no thematic point to a logan clone. stop memeing

Liam Sullivan
Liam Sullivan

And it's openly acknowledged as garbage food.
Just like Marvel is garbage film.
Being popular doesn't make something good.

Lincoln Ortiz
Lincoln Ortiz

Yes there is. The clone is a representation of Logan's worst fear.

Henry Powell
Henry Powell

Because ultimately BvS is embodied with optimism that isn't found in Logan. The sacrifice of Clark results in a better world where Bruce has found redemption and reason to be a better man. He says this in his ending speech. His perception on mankind has changed because of Superman. And while Superman may be the dead, we the audience are comforted knowing that his death meant the rebirth of another superhero, the Batman.

In Logan, there is no such uplifting optimistic message. He saves the kids. And dies. And what more does the story leave us with? Not much. He was a drunkard and a loser in his final years but he fought in the end. I guess you could say this is a redemption arc? But did it really have the same gravitas and implications as Clark's sacrifice did? Not really.

Easton Murphy
Easton Murphy

please explain it to me

Julian Lewis
Julian Lewis

Logan lacks nuance in its message. Rainbow children crossing the border = good. Evil ex-soldiers with prosthetics trying to stop them = bad.

BvS, among many things, carries the subtle message of how much harder it becomes to voice an opinion or take a political stance as a visible immigrant, because your opinions and your actions are under the microscope and endlessly analyzed, and twisted into things you might have never intended.

In contrast, nobody cares about Clark Kent taking on the Batman.

Julian Perez
Julian Perez

which is?

John Richardson
John Richardson

So, summarizing;
Superman is not Jesus
Superman is not a christian
We are supposed to praise superman for not being much of a sociopath and restraining himself from beating up his peers
That's not a hero. That's just some guy who's lucky to have superpowers. And all those monologues and imagery trying to sanctify him is just cinematic drivel.

Grayson Bell
Grayson Bell

Not him, but the idea is that Superman is ultimately a highly altruistic and compassionate individual, which doesn't actually describes Snyder's Superman at all.

Jacob Rivera
Jacob Rivera

All Logan ever wanted was a family, and he got that.

Matthew Gray
Matthew Gray

almost two years since the Dawn of Kino
BvS still has the marlel plebs confused out of their brains

Ryan Phillips
Ryan Phillips

His feral side that's nothing but an animal. He has entire scene with Laura where they talk to each other about their nightmares, and his are about him hurting people.

Elijah Butler
Elijah Butler

dude im scared of myself
this is worse than i thought

Owen Lewis
Owen Lewis

the whole point of this thread is that Man of Steel's original trajectory for the DCEU was fucked over by the suits to appeal to plebs and was taken over by literally the worst director over at Marvel.

Oliver Davis
Oliver Davis

This. He also was about ready to die at that point. He'd lived a long fucking time and his life before then was godawful.
He at least got to die fighting and accompanied by someone he loved. Especially gratifying considering he had to watch everyone he ever loved die up to that point.

Kayden Ward
Kayden Ward

It perfectly describes Snyder's Superman. No other superhero has to endure what he does, an authentic setting with real dilemmas that would be born out of actual conflicts. See this is why you don't like this Superman. Not who he is, but because he is confronted with those decisions that makes you uncomfortable. Your perception of a hero is one that doesn't need to make these decisions. Or one that is above making these decisions. Snyder rightfully makes the opposite claim: A true role model makes these decisions and navigates himself in our world. Not some cartoon escapist bullshit.

Adrian Miller
Adrian Miller

Snyder never worked at Marvel.

Ayden Fisher
Ayden Fisher

I just couldn't bring myself to like that shitty girl actress enough to care. Kids in movies are awful.

Grayson Green
Grayson Green

Face it,that part would be way better if it was Liev Sabertooth instead of a shitty clone.

Christopher Watson
Christopher Watson

Superman finds a way to step up every day. He, no different than the rest of us, doesn't know if he's equal to the task. The only difference is the scale, the heroism remains the same.

He's out actively trying to make the world a better, safer place, to make a contribution, not out of responsibility, but out of sheer, unselfish altruism.

An example that is impossible fir anyine to duplicate in scale, but entirely possible for everyone to duplicate in spirit.

Brandon Cooper
Brandon Cooper

This is the future you wanted. This is the future we warned you about.

Oliver Brooks
Oliver Brooks

I don't like Superman because he is a passive agressive dick.
Like when that one trucker talked shit to him in the bar, he secretly destroyed his truck. That's not something a highly altruistic and compassionate individual would do

Dylan Carter
Dylan Carter

a literal manifestation of logan's inner conflict of the character through out the entirety of the film and franchise.
the personification of everything he fears in himself.
the reason he closes himself from people.
he sees himself as a burden who always brings problems and death to people he cares about.
haunted constantly throughout the films of nightmares of him hurting people
seeing a literal version of him hurting people he got too close too.
sees the version of him he has always wanted to escape.
version of himself kills charles, the man responsible for helping logan escape his darker side, that version.
wanting to kill himself with a bullet as a result of these things and hist own internal fears.
his daughter using that same bullet to kill logan's clone.
him dying free and with purpose able to be close to someone who cares about him.
"so this is what it feels like" left up to the interpretation of the viewer because it could mean as many as four different things that can fit comfortablely to his arc.
It isn't hard to comprehend, most people got it, you are just a fucking mook.

Easton Barnes
Easton Barnes

Dude what's your obsession with this fucking truck?

Hudson Russell
Hudson Russell

BvS was warning enough that WB had sunk it's filthy claws into the franchise.
Man of Steel worked because they didn't fuck with Snyder. Their fuckery was all over BvS and the cancer spread like wildfire when Justice League came out.

Jordan Garcia
Jordan Garcia

It perfectly describes Snyder's Superman
It really doesn't. Snyder's Superman is actually highly selfish, hypocrital, and prepotent, unless you missed the part where he boasts that his only in under military arrest because he allows so, or when he crashes a military drone and threatens a US general to his face with a smug smile.

Xavier Jones
Xavier Jones

He is pretty much an immortal god, and the movies don't exactly show him going out of his way to help people.
I don't understand how he is better than Mother Theresa, or just some random guy who helps at homeless shelter

Mason Anderson
Mason Anderson

Why did the good guys lose Cred Forums?
I guess you mean "Why isn't the DCEU as successful as MCU"? The answer for the most part is Snyder. Snyder had a vision for his movies, that vision didn't resonate with the audience. The studio shares some of the blame as well. They were trying to play catchup with Marvel instead of taking their time and setting up their universe properly.

I don't think Snyder is a hack. I have enjoyed several of his movies. I really liked MoS. Snapping Zod's neck was dumb as hell, but overall it I liked it. But it was a turn off for many Superman fans because Supes was a lot more grim than they were accustomed to.

BvS was a clusterfuck. The actors that played WW and Lex were wrong. And I have come to accept Gal, but 'nuLex' is terrible. The reasons for Batman fighting Superman were silly. "Martha", enough said. And why, on top of everything happening in the movie, would they introduce Doomsday?

JL wasn't any better than BvS. Snyder-fans want to blame Whedon. But they aren't being realistic.

None of his movies were flops. But they weren't the blockbusters that the studio wanted. I wish there had been a few more movies before JL. And on top of that let Snyder do his thing without interference. We would still have nuLex and in your face "deep" symbolism, but at least BvS wouldn't have felt so crammed.

I like capeshit. I'm not beholden to any one company. I would like to see DC/WB do well. But so far it hasn't done well. And that is primarily because of Snyder.

Owen Johnson
Owen Johnson

That's not something a highly altruistic and compassionate individual would do
No shit. He was an amateur.
If Snyder just made Man of Steel 2 like he actually wanted we would've seen his character develop more beyond that.

Nicholas Jones
Nicholas Jones

with all the subtlety of a klaxon

Jayden Sanders
Jayden Sanders

no one will remember bvs and clark's sacrifice as long as people will remember logan sacrificing himself to save his daughter and her hopes and friends.
Stop lying to yourself.

Jaxon Murphy
Jaxon Murphy

That "sanctifying" imagery you're referring to is mankind looking upon a god-like being and trying to fit him into their preconceptions of what a god is.

Jaxson Garcia
Jaxson Garcia

Batman vs Superman shows Superman becoming evil just because his girlfriend died.
Meanwhile, there are countless people who lose loved ones and continue doing good.
Superman is certainly not a role model, is a ticking time-bomb

Logan Hernandez
Logan Hernandez

You realize that was one of the only strong points of the movie and it's lifted word-for-word from a comic?

Jeremiah Ramirez
Jeremiah Ramirez

You mean that drone they were following him home with?

Brayden Murphy
Brayden Murphy

No shit. He was an amateur.
That isn't how it works. If you want to establish Clark as a compassionate and altruistic individual, the correct thing would be him helping the trucker even if he was a douche, without expecting nothing in return.

Robert Thomas
Robert Thomas

It's even more ironic that WW was the one the general public liked due to being kid-friendly and simple. While not bogging it down with stupid quips

Julian Flores
Julian Flores

there was literally no need for that sacrifice, and i pity you for buying his sacrifice in the first place.
And considering it was building up to justice league only buries bvs further into the ditch of mediocrity and messy writing.

Austin Miller
Austin Miller

this actually lessens logans impact in my eyes... feels hamfisted

Landon Kelly
Landon Kelly

Yes, the one that the crashes in front the car where the US general and proceeds to smugly threaten him.

Christian Jones
Christian Jones

Have you ever even read a comic? Did that giant omega symbol burned into the earth tell you nothing?

Julian Powell
Julian Powell

That is absolutely how Snyder's Superman works.
He clearly wanted to do a character study. This kid was raised by a man who died telling him to help nobody and look after himself. Rejecting that selfish philosophy being pumped into you since childhood takes time and effort.

William Turner
William Turner

People think this speech is unironically good

Jace Taylor
Jace Taylor

This.

Samuel Myers
Samuel Myers

I think the most arrogant pose would be if he whipped out his dick and started jerking off. But I guess standing there pensively is arrogant too.

Carter Howard
Carter Howard

as least it is noticeable, understandable, relatable, clear cut and memorable.
and it was still too subtle for people on this thread to get.
When it comes to finding meaning in the dceu, shit is like trying to pull water from the air.

Noah Morales
Noah Morales

Batman vs Superman was fucked with on a corporate level. It was already compromised by then.

Easton Nelson
Easton Nelson

Not a single threat in that conversation, just a promise.

Aiden Collins
Aiden Collins

BvS tried to do way too much.

Austin Sanders
Austin Sanders

Because zack never delivered on his promises. He was to focused on hitting you over the head with the subtlest of subtle symbology

Austin Ramirez
Austin Ramirez

Have you ever even read a comic?
A movie should be able to stand on its own merit and not rely on source material

i am just saying, the way superman is portrayed in the movies, he is clearly not a role model.
he would make a great villain though

Brody Baker
Brody Baker

black panther is going to break all sorts of records this weekend as the EIGHTEENTH entry into a franchise
the mcu has broken dckeks minds so hard they are STILL making asspained threads in 2018 about muh snyder being as subtle as a 2x4 with JESUS PAINTINGS everywhere

the absolute state of the dcu

Aiden Williams
Aiden Williams

this upset over a fucking drone
Post brought you to by soy

Thomas Adams
Thomas Adams

BvS should have just been a Superman movie about him deciding where is jurisdiction ends. He has the power to end all war and violence, but does he have the right to? How does he decide which side to fight for when intervening in a conflict? It would have been amazing.

Adam Nelson
Adam Nelson

character study.
hardly any meaningful interactions with anyone outside of lois and his mom.
most interactions deal with his conflict, and how important he is.
clearly cares more about lois more than anything or anyone else.
no chemistry with lois.
know nothing about the guy on a personal level.
hardly any lines and dialogue.
always plays second banana to other characters.
dies in second film only to be revived in third.

Bavo.

Samuel Barnes
Samuel Barnes

Exactly. But instead we got his death and a conflict with Batman. They should've kept it simple.

Jayden Sanders
Jayden Sanders

But it was a turn off for many Superman fans because Supes was a lot more grim than they were accustomed to.
Yeah let's just ignore the previous time cinema Supe encountered Zod where he killed a defenseless Zod cold blood

Anthony Ward
Anthony Ward

So acting like a superhero is a bad thing?

Chase Sanchez
Chase Sanchez

kek bavo

Adam Lee
Adam Lee

No he became evil because JL was supposed to fall into Lex's trap of resurrecting an evil Superman. Death has a price.

Asher Brooks
Asher Brooks

These Dcucks materialize so quickly as soon as an opportunity to spout their old tired head fantasies appears. They must dream day and night with that rancid Zack Snyder cock they crave so much. I just wonder where do they go when the conversation is not about the company wars they so sheepishly fight for. Do they keep them in a little box? Do the Dcucks just spend the nights writing those stupidly long useless essays of mental gymnastics they keep in the clipboard, so readily to jump on every DCEU vs MCU thread they see? Or is it themselves who create them? Either way, let me laugh.

Hudson Bennett
Hudson Bennett

This exactly, with an older Lex Luthor actively trying to challenge what Superman believes is the right thing. This shit wasn't rocket science.

Josiah Hernandez
Josiah Hernandez

there was literally no need for that sacrifice
Brainlet

Mason Hall
Mason Hall

That until the West stops treating a vendetta like it's some sort of righteous war campaign and until the East does a better job of defining what it is, what it stands for, and starts takingon its own monsters, the elite on both sides will continue peddling fear, paranoia, and xenophobia to both sides through amedia that plays into that very strategy both knowingly and unknowingly, all while that same elite reaps the benefits and keeps making deals with the *real* devils.

Parker Nelson
Parker Nelson

Really? The movie made it seem that he went evil because Lois died

Brayden Parker
Brayden Parker

Rejecting that selfish philosophy being pumped into you since childhood takes time and effort.
But he never rejected it. Literally the first civilian that sees him as Superman is after Metropolis had been flattened, and BvS had Martha flat out saying that Superman doesn't own anyone anything and him saying fuck it and going to live in the mountains for a while. Like, Snyder had already should that he didn't really got Batman's character and origin with the first scene of BvS.

Owen Turner
Owen Turner

youtube.com/watch?v=QfubcZaU1is

Literally the only good scene in all capeshit.

Alexander Green
Alexander Green

Yeah let's just ignore the previous time cinema
People who were critical of Supes demeanor are pulling from comics. Not a movie that was made before they were born.

Logan Edwards
Logan Edwards

implying it had to be superman to kill the cave troll.

Mason James
Mason James

He is resurrected as Black Suit Superman. But they changed it since babbies were offended by the tone of BvS. Cavill even showed off the suit on his Instagram.

Adam Wood
Adam Wood

On a thematic and practical level, absolutely.

Nicholas Gonzalez
Nicholas Gonzalez

This exactly, with an older Lex Luthor actively trying to challenge what Superman believes is the right thing. This shit wasn't rocket science.
it is rocket science to WB

tfw we have had superman movies since 1978 and we STILL haven't had a perfect live action lex

it's not that fucking hard, allt they even had to do was copy-paste the GOAT lex WB already made

Brody Johnson
Brody Johnson

should
*show

Nicholas Evans
Nicholas Evans

all the good in bvs was in affleck's scenes,cowl or no cowl.
Snyder should've just done a batman trilogy.
The character he actually understands.

Jace Cook
Jace Cook

BvS Lex is more comic book origins accurate than Donner Lex.

Adam Nguyen
Adam Nguyen

True, but don't forget he was also being a dick to the waitress, just saying.

Owen Evans
Owen Evans

doesn't go out of his way

Yeah, all those newspaper clips on the security guard's corkboard detailing everything from stopping earthquakes to missile launchez to foiling crimes, to rescuing literal starving homeless guys, that's nothing at all, right?

Also, what you said about other altruists is absolutely the point. What he's doing is no different, just larger in scale. That's the point that you staunchly refuse to acknowledge.

Angel Walker
Angel Walker

The character he actually understands
Because killing over twenty people is totally in character for Batman.

Colton Campbell
Colton Campbell

and he was played by a fucking shit whiny zuck

business man lex is the most superior of all lex's. then political lex, then legion of doom lex, then mad scientist lex

Austin Jenkins
Austin Jenkins

One scene that has more meaning than 20 MCU movies

Jayden Bell
Jayden Bell

it's not that fucking hard, allt they even had to do was copy-paste the GOAT lex WB already made
Yeah. That said, I think that Eisenberg did the best he could with the terrible material that was given to him, which honestly describe most of the movie.

Mason Cook
Mason Cook

I guess you missed the part where that wasn't presented as a good thing.

Angel Howard
Angel Howard

Space doesn't mean insta-death you know? You loose consciousness at the 40 second mark and that's just for humans.

Jose Walker
Jose Walker

for this kind of batman sure. I can believe after all this time and death, that batman cracked.
It's superman's lust for blood that i don't get.

Charles Taylor
Charles Taylor

The Dark Knight Returns is a fucking joke for not acknowledging the people dead under Batman's tank. Atleast Snyder is not a dishonest fuck like Miller about it. It's conflict people die. End of story.

Zachary Moore
Zachary Moore

I really do like that top picture.

Parker Lopez
Parker Lopez

that third trailer with russell crowes narration
man I was so fucking hyped for MoS

Tyler Turner
Tyler Turner

Even in Dark Knight Returns which Snyder tried to use to justify his retardation Batman never kills anyone.

And now that he has killed a shit ton of people any future conflicts with the Joker have been ruined because Batman has no reason not to kill him.

"Hey Batman you killed a bunch of henchmen, why don't you kill the Joker who murders hundreds of people and ruins lives?"

"I was just having a bad day when I killed those people. I won't do it again."

Nathaniel Evans
Nathaniel Evans

Mad af

Jordan Williams
Jordan Williams

youtube.com/watch?v=T6DJcgm3wNY

Lucas Rivera
Lucas Rivera

Great argument. Really activated my almonds and made me think about life in general.

Ryan Perry
Ryan Perry

He doesn't owe fhe world anything. If he does, so does everyone, and there's no such thing as a hero, just people doing what the world requires of them. That's what a hero is - a guy under no obligation to step up and choosing to do it anyway.

Julian Ross
Julian Ross

I guess you missed the part where that wasn't presented as a good thing.
Not him, but the scene where batman shoots a grappling hook into a car and then spins so he can hit another car with the first one gave me some doubts about that.

Jonathan Rodriguez
Jonathan Rodriguez

Helped that Affleck was aces in the role

NOT MUH

kill yourself

Isaac Fisher
Isaac Fisher

Because of Miller's retarded asspulls that nobody watching a film would ever accept. This is precisely why Batman kills in almost all cinema adaptions. The no kill shit simply isn't plausible when you see Batman in motion.

Benjamin Walker
Benjamin Walker

Okay.

Colton Davis
Colton Davis

As far as I remember from the movie, Superman didn't actively go out of his way to help people.
He just stumbled into situation where superpowers were convenient (sinking bus, tornado, burning oil rig), but we never actually see him seek out people whom he could help

Ayden Clark
Ayden Clark

Wow

Anthony Gonzalez
Anthony Gonzalez

This Batman already killed either the Joker or his own partner. It's all over everything about his character in BvS.

Sebastian Barnes
Sebastian Barnes

WE HAVE TO KNOW A MAN'S ENTIRE LIFE STORY TO KNOW WHY HE ACTS THE WAY HE ACTS
FILLING IN THE BLANKS IS FOR CHUMPS

Hunter King
Hunter King

He just accidently ended up in Mexico.

Parker Sanders
Parker Sanders

Yes, but the way it was framed and the overall context made it seens to be that Martha is saying that Supes shouldn't save people if he doesn't feels like it, since no one is forcing him (or can force him, for the matter) and he actually does say fuck it at one point and just leaves for the mountains.

William Nelson
William Nelson

That looks like your average Marvel fan when they’re not soyboys.

Dc stans are usually pajeets

Samuel Lewis
Samuel Lewis

And Eisenberg singlehandedly showed the world why comic book origin Lex was replaced by a better character.

James Edwards
James Edwards

He has an entire montage devoted to it in BvS.

Parker Green
Parker Green

WB would kill their most famous villian
Especially after him was shown alive in Suicide Squad.

Henry Davis
Henry Davis

Yeah, after two years of selflessly performing acts of heroism across the entire globe, and watching the media just only so eager to turn on him at the slightest hint of wrongdoing.

Easton Wright
Easton Wright

How? He makes the choice to save people every day of his life, despite his mother's insistence that "you don't owe this world a thing", despite the constant press backlash against him claiming he's a monster, despite the dangers his mere existence poses, he works every day of his life to save as many people as he can. There's literally a montage in the middle of the film showing him saving a metric shitton of people from various accidents for brainlets like you who don't understand offscreen implications. Literally the one single time he fails in this is when he's led to believe that he's responsible for the deaths in the Capitol due to negligence, and he decides that the world is better off without a figure like him, only to be instantly redeemed by a vision of his father and go right back to doing heroic things. But I guess since he makes a frowny face all throughout that means he's not a good person? Is that your line of reasoning?

Benjamin Sullivan
Benjamin Sullivan

Not him, but the problem is that that montage framed Superman's heroics as a burden to him, not something that he liked doing out of altruism.

Tyler Collins
Tyler Collins

youtube.com/watch?v=JCQVnSOFqfM

Carson Moore
Carson Moore

Snyder's SvB trailers were pure kino. I was just imagening the dilemma about S going full Dr Manhatten about people and their needs and morals, and just looking for his own way. I was so hyped about this dynamic.

That's said, i dont really know anything about this character really.

Gabriel Thomas
Gabriel Thomas

Oh please. The vast, vast majority of people who complain about that scene have never picked up a Superman comic in their lives, they're just parroting what they're told is how Superman should act by other people who have no idea what they're talking about.

Jaxon Edwards
Jaxon Edwards

What did this DC kid meant about this?

Tyler Morris
Tyler Morris

Especially when his behavior is comic book accurate

Carson Kelly
Carson Kelly

He doesn't know Superman thinks at the speed of Flash
dumb dc cuck

It may have lasted two seconds to you, a human, but to Superman thay eas an eternity.

Jacob Lee
Jacob Lee

Oh, do tell. Is that why Lord of the Rings went to such lengths explaining all the references it made that only people who read the books would understand, like say for instance the reason they really *didn't* just fly the Eagles to Mordor? Or precisely what the hell Galadriel was talking about in her scene with Frodo and the Ring?

Jace Kelly
Jace Kelly

Critics hate MCU and Star Wars but are scared shitless of Disney
They take their hate out on DCEU

Charles Moore
Charles Moore

he thought it was a "lol daddy!" joke instead of advertising the upcoming star wars trilogy
Dumb dcuck

Nathaniel Cooper
Nathaniel Cooper

He meant that Yondu was scum, right up until the script decided he wasn't.

Adam Walker
Adam Walker

Good guys won, user

Adrian Johnson
Adrian Johnson

tfw no snyder capeshit kino

Jackson Gonzalez
Jackson Gonzalez

'cos Bryan Singer is a hack

Robert Martin
Robert Martin

The good guys did win though. Hack Snyder will never touch DC characters again and Warner Bros got fucked for their incompetence.

Anthony Lopez
Anthony Lopez

He really didn't do nothing heroic in MoS, other than punching a big ass laser, and in BvS he gets a beef with Batman for no reason, and his heroics are framed as burden for him. Also, it might shock you, but "show don't tell" is something older than fucking Aristotle.

Jordan Wright
Jordan Wright

I love your first question because it describes BvS perfectly

Benjamin Murphy
Benjamin Murphy

my opinion is right, objectively

Logan James
Logan James

That's not true at all though and was never even hinted to be the case in the movie.

Brayden Gray
Brayden Gray

That scene was insane
What was DC thinking it was a good idea.

Jace Gonzalez
Jace Gonzalez

Fuck the contrarians; I love Alex Ross.

Lucas Ortiz
Lucas Ortiz

What about flying to the other side of the Earth and shooting lasers at him through the ground?

Aiden Jenkins
Aiden Jenkins

They gave too much creative freedom and power to Zach, which doesn't work because Zach is only good at remaking and adapting material, not coming out with his own (see: Sucker Punch).

Aiden Morgan
Aiden Morgan

Who doesn't? His art style transcends superheroes to the level of Greek Gods.

Connor Cook
Connor Cook

Were you eve listening to the music, or the voiceovers, or anything?

It's at the fire rescue that he first witnesses people reacting to him in a way that really disturbs him. That's the point shifts into that pensive minor key. The talking heads are debating the very things he's pondering as he's trying to figure out why it seemsthings are getting worse in spite of his efforts. It's at the flood that he finally understands fully what his father meant when he said "people fear what they don't understand."

People also worship what they fear.

That's how his best intentions could lead us straight to hell. Superman the hero, the inspiration, is a good thing, but Superman the living god is very, very bad.

Daniel Moore
Daniel Moore

For a couple of years comicfags constantly called him overrated. That's looking like an increasing minority these days, but it fucking baffled me at the time.

Lucas Richardson
Lucas Richardson

If by punching a big ass laser, you mean singlehandedly saving the entire population of Earth from annihilation, then yeah, I guess that is ALL he did. Just saving the world. No big deal, right? And his heroics ARE a burden for him, they would be for anybody. But it's a burden he's willing to bear. Ultimately it's his decision to continue being Superman and continue saving the world that makes the difference. And as for your "show, don't tell" point, that's literally the reason I just said that his actions are readily available for your viewing pleasure in montage form, plus the news clippings in the Batcave, plus many, many other examples. Pay attention. The movie isn't about all that, it's about Superman dealing with his godlike, idol persona, so of course that stuff is going to take a backseat unless it contributes to that theme.

Adrian Young
Adrian Young

not into capeshit but from what i can tell infinity war will end both the dceu and marvel forever.

Luke Scott
Luke Scott

He also can’t tell a story to save his life and his objectivist bullshit got in the way far too many times.

Carson Barnes
Carson Barnes

Were you eve listening to the music, or the voiceovers, or anything?
Music is primary about its symphony, and voiceovers(or at least the good ones) serve to contextualize the audience about what is happening, not actually replace character actions.
That's how his best intentions could lead us straight to hell. Superman the hero, the inspiration, is a good thing, but Superman the living god is very, very bad.
No one is denying the movie show people seeing Superman as semi-divine. The issue is that the movie fails at presenting Superman as being a heroic individual.

Ethan Walker
Ethan Walker

why do you faggots have to project and add meaning to make something fit to your reality..

Juan Hill
Juan Hill

You remember the events of BvS? Imagine that happening to a middle schooler Clarke. Thats what Pa wanted to avoid.

Aiden Butler
Aiden Butler

But Superman can move faster than flash and could have grabbed Pa Kent before anyone noticed. He already pushed a school bus out of the water and no government shit happened, so he easily could have saved him with no problems.

Andrew Wood
Andrew Wood

Pa knew that a billionaire nutjob would create a cave troll to kill Superman because of a bad case of poorly thought out misotheism?

Kayden Rivera
Kayden Rivera

Snyder specializes in showing, not telling. That's why brainlets like you and the metric assloads of worthless "critics" you get you opinions from can't follow his themes.

Go listen to Kermode gush about "mother!" some more.

Landon Wood
Landon Wood

that scene made me laugh.

Asher Bell
Asher Bell

Like Hulk saying he's always angry
That's literally how his solo movie ended.

Blake White
Blake White

This is the shittiest thread of the year. And it reveals it was DCucks shitposting about Black Panther failing and shit. DCucks never went anywhere. They are still on this board shit posting as usual. So now that Black Panthet is a known success we go back to these pathetic Marvel vs Capcom tier threads that DCfags love to make.

You Snyderhomos are the cancer of this board.

Lucas Gomez
Lucas Gomez

Is that why he committed suicide by tornado when Clark was an adult?

Nathaniel Jones
Nathaniel Jones

He could have. You are correct. But did he follow his gut or obey his father? Hint: only one of those guys is ready to be Superman.

Angel Foster
Angel Foster

bvs
optimism
Not to mention that your pic-related is facebook-tier attempts at pottery

Matthew Davis
Matthew Davis

Snyder specializes in showing, not telling
You think that briefing seeing a bunch of paper clips is showing, not telling? Do you have any understand of what action means in a narrative? Also, who the fuck is Kermode?

Andrew Hernandez
Andrew Hernandez

Replace top pic with "I just think he's kinda hot" and you have thematically similar scenes to compare.

Tyler Ramirez
Tyler Ramirez

What, twelve Black Panther threads weren't enough to keep you happy? What a fucking child you are.

Christian Sanchez
Christian Sanchez

Objectivism vs marvel's ironic reddit nihilism

Aiden Stewart
Aiden Stewart

If all K was galking about was the clippings, yiu'd have a point. I wasn't. I was talking about the fact that the iconography the three principle characters have associated with them indjcates what the public at large thinks of them. The sharpness of the imagery indicates exactly how prominently they feature in the public psyche.

That translates to Superman bei g associated with a savior/sun/light god even at the height of the controversy. That's what mankind at large thinks of him, and that's what the imagery reflects. That's showing, not telling, and that's why you and all these dipshit critics don't have opinions worth one wet shit to me.

Brandon Wright
Brandon Wright

The imagery and ideas should be bound the the character actions in the context of the narrative. When you rely on people worshiping superman because of events(ie Superman's Heroics) that happened outside of the narrative, it fails.

John Howard
John Howard

100% truth

marvel just keeping doing thing and making enjoyable movies

dcfags are just assblasted and taking out their frustration on marvel instead of rightfully being pissed at WB for being idiots

Grayson Rodriguez
Grayson Rodriguez

god damn that dude is pure CHAD, chiseled from granite

no... h..o.mo

Adam Parker
Adam Parker

The good guys lost when the masses give a voice to the wicked for the sake of freedom and with their snake tongues sweetened the poison they pumping into society while calling the good guys bigots.

The good guys lost cuz they were too noble for this world.

Nathaniel King
Nathaniel King

That fucking sequence its pottery, the weight of the world on his shoulders no one to help and he musters the strenght to rise up to the challenge because he knows people are counting on him.

If that's not a fucking heroe I don't know what could count as one.

Ryan Fisher
Ryan Fisher

A touching last kiss before a potentially life-ending confrontation with Zod.
You may have had a point there, but Superman was kissing Lois well before Zod clambered back out of the rubble. The kiss wasn't presented as a bit of last-minute sentimentality, but as a reward for defeating the world engine, which comes off as incredibly tone-deaf in the rubble of the city.

Michael Garcia
Michael Garcia

You hate BvS, you must love Disney.

Both are shit, this isn't even some lmao radical centrism by hating both i am superior shit.

They're just both bad. One because it's just the same bland disney shit every movie, the other because a gritty completely alien 'real world' interpretation interspersed with like a grand total of 2 minutes of references to baroque artworks across 3 films does not instantly make a good film series or itself artistic.

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