Schwarzesmarken / Total Eclipse / Muv Luv

Josiah Green
Josiah Green

Martyrs was gonna be in a week. But now a month and a week. Is this the first of many delays?

A kind user translated Strike Frontiers intro:
pastebin.com/ZPnwAZk6

Another nice user linked us chink spoilers for BiS:
tieba.baidu.com/p/4479316212?pn=1

Other urls found in this thread:

credforums.com/thread/147255933/anime
exhentai.org/g/977128/e5e93e11d8/
exhentai.org/g/539339/dea556a948/
youtube.com/watch?v=G7CC7i6brEI
i.imgur.com/f6vFBKM.jpg
i.imgur.com/jAwLA2j.jpg
hanabi.2ch.net/test/read.cgi/magazin/1448737163/
youtube.com/watch?v=-yi3KXhalVM
age-soft.co.jp/Product/sm/wac/index.htm?process=7&escurl=../character10_esc.html
youtube.com/watch?v=VpVKsc035Hc
youtube.com/watch?v=pEq8DBxm0J4
steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=651346103
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/I_Have_No_Mouth,_and_I_Must_Scream
exhentai.org/g/827606/3324820ffe/
exhentai.org/g/877929/d4e8a936a1/
exhentai.org/g/612236/5a87fe9d1a/
exhentai.org/g/657689/035cbebf35/
youtube.com/watch?v=YEAXIoBPhBQ
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CRV7
i.imgur.com/sq67ZZw.jpg
youtube.com/watch?v=aXQ2lO3ieBA
youtube.com/watch?v=c_kiJht_oJM
youtube.com/watch?v=kXn7dQM5mRg
i.imgur.com/z1jXfuN.jpg
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i.imgur.com/vILgn9U.jpg

David Stewart
David Stewart

tfw you'll never experience CHOMP for the first time again.

Chase Jackson
Chase Jackson

credforums.com/thread/147255933/anime
Good question actually, I don't know really

credforums.com/thread/147255933/anime
Pilot jacket tier, I have the Yukon Base jacket from before but the Yokohama Base jacket is god tier I would never forgive myself if I didn't get hold of that one.

credforums.com/thread/147255933/anime
The days eating only instant noodles were harsh, but so worth it. At least my paycheck arrived as planned and I repaid my based friend.

Carter Nguyen
Carter Nguyen

Why did Jurgen choose such a garish color for his TSF?

Anthony Myers
Anthony Myers

It is a mystery to us all.

Ayden Bailey
Ayden Bailey

Beatrix is really good at winning these polls, isn't she? Could she be a best girl?

Matthew Fisher
Matthew Fisher

Sadpanda link to that doujin:

exhentai.org/g/977128/e5e93e11d8/

Jose Thompson
Jose Thompson

Why did Beatrix choose such a garish color scheme for her Mig?

Evan Bell
Evan Bell

Beatrix's MiG actually looks kinda cool.

Owen Gonzalez
Owen Gonzalez

Is Iris the only SM with a tag? How do you validate new ones?

Hudson Lewis
Hudson Lewis

Is Iris the only SM with a tag?
yes
How do you validate new ones?
sadpanda magic

Adrian Kelly
Adrian Kelly

Was Theo justified?

Carter Nguyen
Carter Nguyen

He failed to achieve anything so no.

Jeremiah Diaz
Jeremiah Diaz

Why doesn't Lise win? She deserves it more and is the tru luv of SM.

Bentley Flores
Bentley Flores

Lise does good. Don't need to win everything all the time.

Parker Morris
Parker Morris

because she is already soiled. Think of it this way most people prefer and unopened soda can instead of one that had 100 dicks in it.

Tyler Thomas
Tyler Thomas

most people prefer and unopened soda can instead of one that had 100 dicks in it.
I guess I should be offended since I'm a Lisefag, but the mental image of a 100 dicks in a soda can is just to funny.

Angel Phillips
Angel Phillips

muh purity
Doesn't even apply here, as it ain't her fault. And she needs lovin as much as if not more than anyone because of it. What may be a reason to dismiss her with your line of thought is all the more reason to cherish her to me when the only thing she did wrong was be in the wrong place at the wrong time. I bet you're the kind to buy a new puppy and leave the abused dog to die alone in the pound too ain't ya prick.

Truly I hope you don't actually believe in what you posted.

Easton Moore
Easton Moore

she must have a very scared and loose vag.

Andrew Jackson
Andrew Jackson

100 dicks
Don't be silly user. 100 is a weekend average for her

Alexander Martinez
Alexander Martinez

Not as scared and loose as Beatrix, if you catch my drift

Dylan Wood
Dylan Wood

I don't know how vaginas work
Strong and fit, tight from exercise would be a more precise description of Lise's vagoo. Now stop shitposting you're scaring the children.

Nathan Cox
Nathan Cox

i wonder how much dicks katia had to suck to get to DDR.

Noah Cox
Noah Cox

One of the things that's interesting about Axmann is that he uses watashi a lot. Watashi is a gender neutral pronoun in formal language (basically meaning "I"); however, Axmann uses it casually, witch is considered to be quite feminine in Japanese culture.

What do you guys think the significance of that is?

Mason Fisher
Mason Fisher

He's flaming, I thought everyone figured this already.

Jason Turner
Jason Turner

At the same time, he puts on moves to Beatrix and wants to rape her.

Then again, he never bothered fucking Lise himself, despite obsessing over her for quite a long time.

Josiah Martinez
Josiah Martinez

He fought in defense of his ideals, or even if not that as cynics would say, he fight in defense of a better world.

It's just a sadness he was fighting that who would have been his friend, if he'd given her the chance.

Jack Bell
Jack Bell

Iris and the 666th were his friends. Should he have abandoned them for Beatrix?

Besides, I think he was asking whether or not Theo attacking her when she couldn't move or fight back was justified.

Daniel White
Daniel White

Like everything else she does out of her own free will since she was 13 years old, "Muh Jürgen!".

Being the Tru Luv doesn't bring automatic victory. Just look at Sumika, Cryska or Yuzuka.

Jason Miller
Jason Miller

the fact that he never fucked Lise despite having the opportunity to do so means that clearly, he is a gay homosexual faggot. He's probably just sexually harassing Beato for the lulz.

Nicholas Bennett
Nicholas Bennett

nah its just that Beato has the power to turn gay men straight.

Henry Jackson
Henry Jackson

Look at that angel. She deserved so much better than the short cruel life she was given.

Dominic Butler
Dominic Butler

I want to urinate on Irisdina

Grayson Russell
Grayson Russell

punch Gretel in the face
stomp on her glasses
disarm her and dismantle her Makarov PM in front of her
alternatively pistol-whip her with it into unconsciousness

Jaxon Ramirez
Jaxon Ramirez

Not abandon his old friends, who he finally found, no. Beatrix could have been his friend too, she wanted to be his friend. He could have bridged them. More than hating the other to death, Beatrix and Iris wanted to return to their happy past.

Jonathan Hughes
Jonathan Hughes

Beatrix definitely did not want to be his friend, and Theo wouldn't of been able to do crap to bridge Iris and Beatrix even if he wanted to.

Alexander Russell
Alexander Russell

Lise needs a beating.

Josiah Harris
Josiah Harris

Lise needs to masturbate.

Thomas Hall
Thomas Hall

She is not even a virgin and commits incest with Theo. How can that even be tru love?

Ryan Lopez
Ryan Lopez

Denying Pham, Lise, and Anett hugs when they need them the most!

Easton White
Easton White

Is there any reason why Beatrix wanted to be friends with Theo?

Justin Jones
Justin Jones

inb4 he's just like Jurgen and Beatrix/Iris wanted him shit

Hunter Moore
Hunter Moore

Axmann fucks little boys because that's what he's sexually attracted to. He rapes and mindbreaks little girls because he's a sadist.

Lucas Young
Lucas Young

Who wouldn't want to be friends with Theo? Making him spill his spaghetti would be an adorable pastime!

Zachary Bailey
Zachary Bailey

How is he like jurgen? Isn't Theo suppose to be a weak character who fails to confront his fears and often submits to selfishness?

I could not see the parallels between jurgen and Theo on what they really had in common that would make Beatrix, an outsider to be head over heels over Theo. Unless you are referring to love at first sight.

Carson Wilson
Carson Wilson

Spaghetti
Do you mean ketchup?
Btw, what is this spaghetti meme?

Daniel Anderson
Daniel Anderson

Because he's hot.

Elijah Gonzalez
Elijah Gonzalez

Only thing she deserves is good, hard gangrape.

Dominic Reyes
Dominic Reyes

Black clothes makes him look villain-like.

Levi Campbell
Levi Campbell

non-h
Whats the point???

Isaiah Cox
Isaiah Cox

Posting best girls.

Brody Phillips
Brody Phillips

Partly right

Thomas Cooper
Thomas Cooper

Yamato damashii bitches are the worst

Ayden Carter
Ayden Carter

More best girls.

Nope.

Wyatt Butler
Wyatt Butler

Well aren't you the little sociopathic monster?

Bullying is allowed, but the contract dictates you must hug in the end. Deep tissue headrubbing if it was particularly mean bullying.

Hunter Ortiz
Hunter Ortiz

could we get a little Irisdina posted? never seems to be much of her in these threads

Tyler Ramirez
Tyler Ramirez

I want to help Tarisa through a PTSD attack and then get killed by BETA in front of her while screaming over the radio.

Julian Edwards
Julian Edwards

New, huh

Evan Wright
Evan Wright

That Marui dump was neat. All the characters looked cute.

I can't find much good art of her. We might have to make some.

Hunter Bailey
Hunter Bailey

Yes I'm new. Please enlighten me.

Camden Brown
Camden Brown

I can't find much good art of her
It's surprising to know that the least popular characters in SM gets more art posted contents than Iris.

Have anyone read ML Altered Fable? Is it recommended?

Justin Lewis
Justin Lewis

It's full on fanservice, but it's all fun. If you want more of a characters, go for it.

Oliver Barnes
Oliver Barnes

What is Natalia doing in MuvLuv?

Sebastian Gray
Sebastian Gray

Who is she? I've never seen her anywhere in the anime or VN?

Jonathan Nguyen
Jonathan Nguyen

BiS character, as far as I remember the only female Cadet in Jürgen's class in the military academy, just to hammer down how much things changed from '73 to '83.

Nathan Smith
Nathan Smith

How much bullying would it take to drive Iris into complete despair?

Landon Howard
Landon Howard

Oh, so is she a senior to Beatrix and Iris? I

She is beautiful and looks like a younger version of Latrova. I hope she is included in the next SM VN

Juan Harris
Juan Harris

Doubtful, I think she died. Pretty much, by that time, all of Jurgen's friends are dead. Only Jurgen I think is part of the circle of people he knew.

Spilling spaghetti is shorthand for losing your shit. In this case, the person was referring to how Theo always acts distant and aloof and mean to his squadmates, and tries to be cool. One of Lise's lovable moments was when she first came around, and she was spilling all his secrets. When he tries to get her stop, all the girls tell him to shut up, and he has to sit there as this image he's partly cultivated falls before his eyes, and she confirms he was/is a loving dork.

MOM'S SPAGHETTI

Will do, sometime.

Jonathan Mitchell
Jonathan Mitchell

Their angry faces only make me want to bully them all more.

Adam Scott
Adam Scott

Lise is Liebe.

Christian Perez
Christian Perez

Lise is Liebe.
From behind

Ethan Jenkins
Ethan Jenkins

t's surprising to know that the least popular characters in SM gets more art posted
What. Whose the least popular

Andrew Richardson
Andrew Richardson

I don´t know this so /a should I watch the anime or read the manga?

Ian Bell
Ian Bell

No, you should read the LN or play the VN instead, the anime is a butchery. Or simply start from the beginning and play/watch all previous parts of the franchise.

Isaiah Jenkins
Isaiah Jenkins

The manga has no one scanning it and the anime are for VN's that aren't translated.

Read the trilogy, it's on Steam. It's also probably still on the usual torrent sites.

Camden Sanchez
Camden Sanchez

english isn´t my native language, that´s why it would be really tiresome. Well probably stick with the anime if I have time.

Alexander Scott
Alexander Scott

He's fairly new, user. He hasn't played Altered Fable and he doesn't know how to get his Iris folder started.

Austin Rivera
Austin Rivera

Please contribute your Iris contents here with all due respect.

Hunter Harris
Hunter Harris

tfw have a 894 MB Lise folder with 699 files

Cooper Peterson
Cooper Peterson

I only have around 230 files since I only started collecting a couple of months ago.

Gavin Torres
Gavin Torres

my Gretel folder is 105mb and with 190 files

Christian Parker
Christian Parker

You really need to lurk moar

Anthony Wright
Anthony Wright

Only Jurgen I think is part of the circle of people he knew.

Dammit, meant Walther. Walther is the last of the circle Jurgen (and thus Beatrix and Iris) used to have.

In what world?

Black clothes makes him look villain-like.

Dominic Jackson
Dominic Jackson

In what world?
There is one girl for each world. Also in every world.

Levi Cruz
Levi Cruz

Fixed

exhentai.org/g/539339/dea556a948/

Hudson Cox
Hudson Cox

Who /NVA/ here?
youtube.com/watch?v=G7CC7i6brEI

Tyler Morgan
Tyler Morgan

What the fuck is wrong with you? You're not jealous of VG, are you?

But that's Theo being bullied there.

Isaiah Gray
Isaiah Gray

But that's Theo being bullied there.

Charles Myers
Charles Myers

still no Schwarzesmarken - Vol 6 (BDRip 1920x1080 x264 FLAC)

Why upload every other volume and then leave the final volume out?

Jonathan Ramirez
Jonathan Ramirez

PACT PRIDE WORLDWIDE

Aaron Allen
Aaron Allen

Anime was a mistake.

Ian Brown
Ian Brown

eLise did nothing wrong.

William Harris
William Harris

Because Watanabe managed to fuck it up even more.

Dylan Jenkins
Dylan Jenkins

Have some official naked imouto.

i.imgur.com/f6vFBKM.jpg

Ryder Moore
Ryder Moore

How about this:

i.imgur.com/jAwLA2j.jpg

Luke Barnes
Luke Barnes

I am going to marry this zampolit

Landon Lee
Landon Lee

What is Irisdina good at other than pleasing minorities and somehow being the worst girl in a series with a gook and a subhuman slav(e)?

Lucas Gray
Lucas Gray

Lise has really cute breasts.

Jaxson Reyes
Jaxson Reyes

What is Irisdina good at other than pleasing minorities and somehow being the worst girl in a series with a gook and a subhuman slav(e)?
Damn, this whole post sounds like "I want your cocks, anons. My asspussy craves your throbbing dicks!" to me.

Blake Ross
Blake Ross

Theo is a CQC expert, but what's Lise's specialty?

James Wilson
James Wilson

Lise is actually a better pilot then Theo in everything not involving a CIWS.

inb4 dick

Sebastian Williams
Sebastian Williams

Axmann did literally nothing wrong.

Easton Nguyen
Easton Nguyen

But if you had to say she had a specialty, what would it be?

Josiah Price
Josiah Price

She doesn't. She's a generalist like Beatix and Iris. Annete and Theo are specialists, and would get fucked outside of their area of expertise.

Joseph Flores
Joseph Flores

Giving girls severe PTSD is my fetish.

I can only imagine what would be going through her mind as she sees me being torn to shreds and hears my cries and screams of extreme pain and fear over the radio.

How would she sleep that night?

Chase Perez
Chase Perez

Fat old men cock.
Gangbans and orgies.
Triple penetration.

Josiah Lewis
Josiah Lewis

Shut up fukboi.

Adam Price
Adam Price

How would she sleep that night?

She wont

Luis Nguyen
Luis Nguyen

What about Pham, then? Another generalist?

Noah Hill
Noah Hill

I'd rather make a bunch of nightmarish photos with Inghild's corpse in them and cover Anett's entire room in them.
They will go on the walls, on the floor, on the ceiling.
She will not be safe from the horrible memories anywhere in the house and if she tries to get rid of them, she will have to stare at them long enough to feel hurt.

Grayson Campbell
Grayson Campbell

Lise and Pham specialties could be figured out if we analyze their potions and roles in squadron.

If both of them were Gun Interceptors it pretty much they were all rounders.

Gavin Cruz
Gavin Cruz

I want more secondaries to watch Schwarzesmarken. They say the best things:

You see, when compared to the other villains in Muv-Luv, Beatrix is doing evil things for the sake of being evil, rather then because it's an easy or viable paths towards wealth, power, revenge, or whatever the goal is. This is especially hilarious when a non-evil, or less evil way of doing things would work better, but she still chooses the most evil path...

...a villain who is truly insane can get away with this sort of thing since what compels them to act in such an evil manner is the fact that they have some screws loose, but "serious" nemeses and long-term, high-threat villains are usually expected to have a goal and some capacity for rational planning; a villain who takes time out of her busy day to kick a puppy or eat a kitten just to establish evil credibility will probably be treated with derision by the audience.

Zachary Perry
Zachary Perry

That's why she keeps winning polls, that ain't her in the anime.

Benjamin Moore
Benjamin Moore

Made it safeish for Cred Forums.

Levi Lopez
Levi Lopez

Lise is an ugly and stupid girl.

Noah Nguyen
Noah Nguyen

Yuck... She is ridiculously ugly

Eli Perry
Eli Perry

...
Fuck off summerfag.

Connor Moore
Connor Moore

Girls are stupid and useless.
Axmann is the only right choice.

Cooper Sullivan
Cooper Sullivan

It's nice to see that you came out of the closet

Jonathan Diaz
Jonathan Diaz

Thank you for this.

Carter Edwards
Carter Edwards

shitty contrast

Angel Gonzalez
Angel Gonzalez

Who is your favorite and what mech you'll give them in SF?

Cameron Nelson
Cameron Nelson

Meiya with Super Hornets

Luke Martinez
Luke Martinez

Why is a plank of wood more interesting than Irisdina?

Nicholas Evans
Nicholas Evans

Because plank of wood is flat

Samuel Brooks
Samuel Brooks

Are the four QUALITY Werewolves the ones from the Concept Art in LD11?

Joshua Lopez
Joshua Lopez

Lise is for

Carter Mitchell
Carter Mitchell

Loving.

Gavin Stewart
Gavin Stewart

sexually bullying

Nathaniel Cruz
Nathaniel Cruz

You can compare the Japanese and Chinese translations. If they have roughly the same meaning after being run through a machine, then it's likely the correct translation.

Anyways, the point of tonal divergence from the anime starts at: もつれながらマンションの壁に2機が叩き付けられる。
Theo and Beatrix are tangled together after Theo's aerial maneuver with the halberd, much like in the anime, as they crash into the apartment buildings below.

網膜には機体各所が大破したことを示すウィンドと警告音。蹴り飛ばそうとするが機体が反応しない。
『────!』
Her fuselage severely damaged, and now with her other arm probably out of commission, Beatrix attempts to fly away. Unfortunately for her, her much abused Alligatori has finally died on her. As the warnings blare and flood her retinal HUD, she can only watch as >Theo picks himself up and takes out his CIWS.

Theo penetrates Beatrix
This is the scene in question from the LN.

そして自身の胸元に迫る短刀──ベアトリクスはそれを満足気に見つめた。
Theo approaches her and aims his knife straight to her cockpit. Beatrix watches all this in a sort of detached daze.

呼吸は荒いままで落ち着かない。勝利の実感はない。
The perspective swaps back to Theo. He's exhausted and a slight sense of wrongness fills him. There was no sense of triumph or victory in this, but he pushes it back down for Beatrix's death speach.

This is quite different from the anime, which shows more of an action packed, heroic last battle with a badass finisher at the end.

Is this guy right, or full of shit?

Adrian Flores
Adrian Flores

Yeah.

The LN was depressing, not heroic.

Aaron Garcia
Aaron Garcia

Muvluv's fandom blows my mind. I was never a ML guy in the past, but I just assumed that Iris would be everyone's waifu

But no. It's Lise. Cute sweetness wins over sexy older sister cowtits, I guess

Matthew Gomez
Matthew Gomez

He is right, but that's not new, Watanabe admitted where all the changes came from, and making Theo more Heroic was pretty much on top of the list.

What do you think about the Beatrixfags?

Zachary Rogers
Zachary Rogers

虽然无法摆脱身为红色贵族的身份,但本人还是希望能尽量自由一点,跳水,每次都是进入水中再出来,如同重获新生。但是,重获新生,必然要以死亡为代价,所以她每次跳水更像是奋不顾身地寻死。
The LN really did explain why Beatrix is so into diving. Everytime she dives into the water and resurfaces, she experiences rebirth of a whole new life, but that of course comes with a price.

It's amazing how to see things like this can be described with such detail.

Hunter Turner
Hunter Turner

The largest chunk of Irisfags were seasonals. There's only a couple left, including me.

Ryan Harris
Ryan Harris

Iris is the most popular in general, especially among the SM LN fans.
Beatrix seems to be most popular among the long time ML fans.
And Lise is the most popular among the VN fans.

Lucas Morgan
Lucas Morgan

Iris is still the most popular SM, especially in Asia, though it seems as if Lise has put a significant dent in her fanbase.

Josiah Johnson
Josiah Johnson

It's more like Beatrix siphoned Irisfags with BiS and Lise achieved enough momentum to grab the 3rd spot.

Parker Sanchez
Parker Sanchez

The reason she gave to Jurgen was that it gets her away from her father, but that's so depressing and moe that it hurts. No wonder so many people swap over to Beatrix after reading BiS.

Cameron Butler
Cameron Butler

Guess I'll repost this here.

To save humanity and realize Jurgen's will. She planned to use the stasi and had already hatched out plans with Jurgen on how to do it:

From BiS, Volume II pg 282, when she learns that Abel is going to bind her to Ketchup:

ベアトリクス「東ドイツは私にとって、ブレーメ家以上に大きな籠そのものよ。
私は父の言いなりになるつもりも、東ドイツという国家の道具になるつもりもない。
父や国が私を道具として扱うのなら、私も父や国を道具として利用する。」
Said to Jurgen: I'm not going to be at the mercy of my father any longer; I won't become a tool of the state, the stasi, or East Germany. If he thinks he can treat me like this, I'll just have to turn things around, make him and the state my tools!

From page 320 of Volume VII
ベアトリクス『東ドイツは人類をこの星を救うための実験国家となる。』
テオドールの解釈は「他者をも巻き込んだ上での究極の自己犠牲」
Beato: I'm going to use East Germany to save everyone.
Theo: What, so you're going to make the ultimate sacrifice, and drag the rest of us along too?

p.336
ベアリクス『シュタージによる統制のみが……私の理想こそが、人類の勝利をもたらす』
Beato: Saving mankind, those are my only ideals.

(From: hanabi.2ch.net/test/read.cgi/magazin/1448737163/ )

Gabriel Martinez
Gabriel Martinez

Also, as bonus, something from the latest chapter of BiS. Abel wants Jurg in the stasi or something (he may have even offered Jurg Beato's hand from the 2ch posts):
ユルゲン『国家保安省がこのまま権力を拡大、陸海空軍に続く第4の軍を手に入れても、
東ドイツの経済界にとっては何の利益もない──ただ非合理なだけだ。
その非合理を、あえて肯定するような言葉を口にした意味を
オレは読み解かなければいけない。』
『アーベルがそれをオレに、あえて直接話した意味は、おそらく、ひとつしかない。』
『そういう意味で、オレとアーベルとは共犯者だ。』

Final line is literally: I guess me and him [Abel] are accomplices now.

I think from a lot of the post, Jurgen wasn't exactly as opposed to the stasi as Iris or his mother were, so Beato may in fact be the one who's actually carrying out his plans, not Iris.

Gavin Taylor
Gavin Taylor

I think from the posting, that it was Beato who convinced him not to take on the role as Werewolf-01, even if that means that Abel won't let him marry her:

ユルゲンには遠く及ばないオレの推測だが、
いざとなれば、シュタージを経済界がコントロールできるよう、ベアトリクスを
送り込め、そのための説得方法はユルゲンに任せ

Man, BiS just turns everything about SM on its head, doesn't it. She doesn't want Jurg to have to wade through all the shit and would rather take it on herself. No wonder a lot of Japs say she's a better romantic lead.

It's all starting to come together though. Jurgen would climb the Heim faction's hierarchy and become a key position, while Beato would do the same for the stasi. Then they could unite their factions and no one would be able to stop them, or something. Of course Ketchup comes along and forces Iris to kill Jurgen, and ruins everything

ユルゲンって、最終的にシュトラハヴィッツの右腕として反体制派内の重鎮だった筈なのに 本編の方でアイリス以外の口からそういった存在として語られる事は殆ど無かったよな?アイリスが666中隊の指揮官として高く評価されている描写は多かったけど、あのユルゲンを殺して 反体制派に甚大な損害を与えた唾棄すべき女として忌避する奴は不思議といなかったのが 隻影を読んだ後だと妙に違和感を覚えるんだが、ユルゲンって実際はどういう立ち位置だったんだろうな?
Post above seems to bash Iris for shitting over everything. (Maybe that's why Katia looks so frightened)

Angel Ramirez
Angel Ramirez

They have good taste in looks, but not so much in personality

I am one too. Part of why I assumed what I did

Interesting. It's hard for me to get into the other material though, I'm not really much into mecha, so just following the material for the character stories is a bit tedious

Jason Young
Jason Young

Some of this was proven to be false, and other spoilers were more speculation then actual spoilers.

Colton Torres
Colton Torres

とすると、ユルゲンがアホでない限り、
この時ユルゲンは自分が撃たれても有名にならないか、
有名になることを防ぎたい人によって撃たれるシナリオを描いていたことになる。
土壇場になって、アイリスに変更せざるを得なくなったんだろう。
Post above calls Jurgen stupid.

Overall, apparently something happened in the latest chapter between Iris, Beatrix, and Jurgen that flips a lot of SM around.

Also, anyone else want to take a look at all of this, that'd be great. My interpretations shouldn't be trusted.

Wyatt Hughes
Wyatt Hughes

ベアトリクスも兄弟愛とか家族愛とか感じることが出来なかっただろうな。
一人っ子だし?パパはあんなだし、親友は兄をターンしちゃうし。
アイリスとユルゲンに接して『兄妹っていいなぁ』とか思っただろうか。
Beatrix basically wondering why she couldn't have a a brother or sister, or even a family that would love her.
Why is this shit so depressing? Now I feel horrible about Beatrix dying.
It's still rather sad. There's more though:
黒塗りにしても物語は変わらないから もしベアトリクスとユルゲンが結婚してたらどちらかの名前が ユルゲン・ブレーメかベアトリクス・ベルンハルトになるのか ベアトリクスの方は響きが悪いな
Beato and Jurgen wondering which last name they'll go with when they get married. Should it be Jurgen Brehme or Beatrix Bernhard?

なるほど 今ユルゲンはどちらかというとソ連よりの軍人だけどシュタージと親しい官僚にコネがある 軍の権力が強くなることをシュタージは嫌がってアクスマンに工作を支持した アクスマンはベアトかその父親に圧力をかけてユルゲンをスパイにスカウトしようとするのかな その代わりにベアトがシュタージ入ることになってユルゲン激怒とか
No surprise, Axmann's the one shitting things up. He's applying pressure on Abel and his faction to get Beato and Jurgen.

Ha, so I guess the prediction about Beatrix becoming a widow are true after all. Jap here agrees with me

ユルゲンが死ぬから本編だとベアトリクスって未亡人ポジになっているんだよな ラストはアイリスとの決裂で締めだと思う

Adam Richardson
Adam Richardson

Ketchup wants to do it. He also wants to turn Jurgen and Beato into his little pawns against Alfred's and Abel's factions (course, we all know he ends settles with Iris and she ends up causing everything to crash down).

Also, from the spoilers, Jurgen motorboats Beato when he breaks down. What is up with SM protagonist and doing that? A better question is, why aren't the Japs scanning pics of this for us:

・ユルゲンは両親が出かけててベアトリクス独りのブレーメ家訪問。ヤっちゃった?胸に顔埋めて終わり?
・ハンニバル登場。実験集団の指揮官。この人もアイリスと同様ユルゲンに生かされた口だろうか。
・レーザーヤークトって言葉使い登場。まだ浸透はしてないっぽい。
・F-4の支援ありとはいえ、戦車主体の軍団でBETAと真っ向勝負ってのはすげーな。遅滞戦闘じゃなく進撃だぜ。陣地防御のイメージしかなかった。
・ベアトリクスが監視役ってかスパイってかコラボレーターっぽいことが好きな片鱗をみせてた。

Isaiah Watson
Isaiah Watson

ユルゲンって、最終的にシュトラハヴィッツの右腕として反体制派内の重鎮だった筈なのに 本編の方でアイリス以外の口からそういった存在として語られる事は殆ど無かったよな?アイリスが666中隊の指揮官として高く評価されている描写は多かったけど、あのユルゲンを殺して 反体制派に甚大な損害を与えた唾棄すべき女として忌避する奴は不思議といなかったのが 隻影を読んだ後だと妙に違和感を覚えるんだが、ユルゲンって実際はどういう立ち位置だったんだろうな?
Still can't get over that Jap for calling Iris an abominable woman and screwup. She selflessly sacrificed so much for the DDR, for her fellow man. How could you call her that?

Luis Nelson
Luis Nelson

who is the semen demon on the left?

Evan Cooper
Evan Cooper

Beato: I'm going to use East Germany to save everyone.
Theo: What, so you're going to make the ultimate sacrifice, and drag the rest of us along too?
What she said in the LN is really different compared to the anime. IIRC Beato in the anime does not plan on saving everyone at all, she wants to unite East Germany under Stasi rule.

Beato may in fact be the one who's actually carrying out his plans, not Iris.
Meaning Iris is carrying on Alfred Strahawitz's will instead of Jurgen's?

Grayson Bailey
Grayson Bailey

opposed to the stasi as Iris or his mother were,
This was wrong, considering that Mercedes is literally in bed with the stasi.

Christopher Adams
Christopher Adams

Meaning Iris is carrying on Alfred Strachwitz's will instead of Jurgen's?
She certainly is doing that in the Anime, and seeing how little she and her brother actually talked during 75 to 77 its likely that she assumes that her brother still has his teenage opinions, regardless of whether it is the LN, VN or Anime.

Its a fact that loathes his mother because of what she did to his father and not due to her actions afterwards. He hated the Stasi enough in '72 to have second thoughts about pursuing Beatrix, but three years later was willingly training their personnel. As I stated above, its likely that he at least started to see how they could be useful for the greater good, but didn't tell his sister, who assumed he had remained the pure, idealistic youth he once was.

Sebastian Cooper
Sebastian Cooper

The people who go for the sexy older cowtits are all flocking to Beatrix.

Eli Jackson
Eli Jackson

those are some pretty sexy cowtits desu senpai

Dylan Robinson
Dylan Robinson

But I already flocked to Iris for christmas cake boobs.

John Jackson
John Jackson

It's her moe side that I fell in love with. I used to hate her (Pham rape lol) and leaned towards Iris up until I learned the truth.

Christopher Cruz
Christopher Cruz

Pham rape
?

Aiden Lopez
Aiden Lopez

The hair brought me, the hips and ass made me stay. Large but not huge tits make Bea look the best.

Adrian James
Adrian James

lurk more

Angel Perry
Angel Perry

Then maybe she should have went realpolitik instead of french revolution

Angel James
Angel James

dat hair

My dick. No girl should be this sexy.

Christian Lopez
Christian Lopez

But I like cute sweetness and big tits.

Carter Edwards
Carter Edwards

Why her hair?

Lucas Cruz
Lucas Cruz

Don't you just want to run your fingers through it?

David Collins
David Collins

No, I mean, why was her hair better then her other qualities?

Liam Martinez
Liam Martinez

Some guys like their sex hair.

Jack Flores
Jack Flores

Theo's bottled up lust for Beatrix lead to this. He wanted to thrust his penis all the way till his balls slapped against her, but when that became morally impossible for him to do, he subconsciously sought other ways to penetrate her hymen.

Nathaniel Perry
Nathaniel Perry

really makes me think

Jaxson Sullivan
Jaxson Sullivan

Where's that image from?

Nicholas Clark
Nicholas Clark

She's good at anti-TSF ops.

And where the fuck did you get that from, your ass? At best, they're about parity.

t. rapist Jacob

Aaron Foster
Aaron Foster

This hardened veteran slaps your waifu's ass.

What do?

Brody King
Brody King

Slap my waifu's ass harder to reassure my dominance on her and then proceed to sing songs about Afghanistan
youtube.com/watch?v=-yi3KXhalVM

Elijah Reed
Elijah Reed

What if this stasi mass murderer fondles and squeezes your girlfriend's ass while she symmetrically docks with her?

Jackson Russell
Jackson Russell

Genocide millions of my children on her face and her in the docking.

Kayden Allen
Kayden Allen

Best day of my life

Leo Murphy
Leo Murphy

Sell her my water filters.

Juan Young
Juan Young

Martin would be so confused.

Beatrix is a big girl though. Gretel isn't exactly very short.

William Martin
William Martin

Ask her why she's slapping her own ass, because I know that always leads to hours of tender, handholding, leglocking missionary sex.

And that always ends in me cumming inside her repeatedly.

James Collins
James Collins

Gretel isn't exactly very short.
Gretel is like 165cm

Connor Nelson
Connor Nelson

Yui is utter perfection.

Dominic Hall
Dominic Hall

Gretel is around 1.60, is not that tall

Bentley Perry
Bentley Perry

unzip my dick and furiously beat off to my girlfriend's new girlfriend

Jaxon Green
Jaxon Green

Someone say ducktaped katanas?

Jason Thompson
Jason Thompson

She's a well balanced pilot like says but if you had to give her a speciality it'd probably be anti-tsf combat like . She's got a very aggressive fighting style good for overwhelming and quickly dispatching an opponent in 1v1 but against BETA swarms she has shown some difficulty adjusting to the unit cohesion necessary for a laserjagd, an area she doesn't have much experience in let alone getting the 666th's particular rhythm down.

Luckily by OP Neptune she found the pace to match and flew like a proper member of the squadron earning the commendations of the West German pilots along with the rest of the 666th(one of them called her cute too in the VN if I remember correctly. It got a laugh out of Theo and the others much to her embarrassment.)

Noah Brown
Noah Brown

Bea has dat Nipah voice

Nice.

Adrian Morris
Adrian Morris

Beatrix is a cutie in real life

Joseph Perez
Joseph Perez

You guys are just saying that to be nice to her.

age-soft.co.jp/Product/sm/wac/index.htm?process=7&escurl=../character10_esc.html

Jack Ortiz
Jack Ortiz

But it's true, after Gretel Beato is my favourite girl

Andrew Butler
Andrew Butler

Yukarin will always be my eternal seiryufu. My dick nearly exploded when I learned that she'd be voicing my waifu. I wish she'd do an image song for Beatrix.

Cooper Evans
Cooper Evans

What if she is my girlfriend? How can she dock with herself?

Unless you mean docking her tits around my dick.

Cooper Bennett
Cooper Bennett

no final battle between a half naked Iris and and a half naked Beatrix
youtube.com/watch?v=VpVKsc035Hc

suffering

Joshua Robinson
Joshua Robinson

Why didn't Lise just not attempt to deceive and manipulate Theo so much? It doesn't seem likely that tricking him and humiliating him would be conducive to a happy ever after, even if he had surrendered to the Stasi.

Leo Cox
Leo Cox

What an evil looking TSF for one very evil eishi.

Lucas Nguyen
Lucas Nguyen

She didn't, she told him straight up she knew about the rebel connection and he would be safer surrendering now rather than after the point of no return.

Unless you're talking about the anime in which case the real question is why didn't Theo not attempt to deceive and manipulate her so much?

Jacob Martin
Jacob Martin

tfw even virtual women tell you you're a pig

welp.

Xavier Thompson
Xavier Thompson

Stop being so creepy then, tubby.

Easton Gonzalez
Easton Gonzalez

pls no bully puhi

Daniel Collins
Daniel Collins

Everytime she dives into the water and resurfaces, she experiences rebirth of a whole new life, but that of course comes with a price.

God fucking dammit. I know that feel all too well, when I used to swim. It's like every single detail about her, the more you learn about her, the more everything fits, and the more tragic it all becomes. Right now, I feel like I did when we learned what Jurgen's Mig-21PF looked like. It was then, with utter horror, that I realized why Bea painted her Mig-27 so.

;__;

Well I think it's important to bear in mind, that in that time, the Stasi wasn't nearly as powerful, nor were they on bad terms with the Army. After all, he did agree that the Stasi not only needed a TSF wing, but he trained them himself. Back then, it was the Party that held the majority in the balance of power.

DELET THIS

;____________;

Brayden Lopez
Brayden Lopez

Non non, mon ami.

Also, from the spoilers, Jurgen motorboats Beato when he breaks down. What is up with SM protagonist and doing that?

Our heroes are PUNISHED, so they need it. Plus, it's very sweet and intimate and adorable.

I love this one the most I think, the emotions are very raw and powerful.

A better question is, why aren't the Japs scanning pics of this for us:

Because they have other priorities for some reason.

I can understand where it comes from. Forget Mean Girls early teenage Iris, but even into her adulthood, while she had become sister sister with Bea, she still harbored a bit of resentment because Jurgen slobbered all over Bea, not her - and that kept growing and metastasizing. She was very selfish in her earlier life, and in the end, it was her jealousy and resentment that led her to Axmann, and reporting them. I don't think she expected it to go as far as it did, and she certainly didn't think they would execute one of the GDR's greatest heroes, but that's what happened. And indication is that it was Beatrix, who had to prove not only her loyalty but also her will as a Stasi and shoot Jurgen herself. That's why Bea utterly hates Iris in the present day.

Iris is supremely sorry and of course she's trying her absolute damndest to make amends, but the truth is that she fucked up a lot, and a lot of people over because of her selfishness. She has a lot to make amends for, and she knows it better than anyone.

Why do you think she keeps Theo around?

Brandon Hall
Brandon Hall

The second part of that says that she is bound to death with each new life, so with every dive she rushes towards suicide in her mind.

It's very poetic, and adds a ton of context to her "It's just like a dive; no hesitations, alright (망설임이 없어 급강하 그것은 마치 )" line in SM.

Grayson Myers
Grayson Myers

Not according to her dad.

Elijah Butler
Elijah Butler

So how much survivor's guilt does Anette have in London?

You shut your mouth, how can you say, I go about things the wrong way?

I am human and I need to be loved, just like everybody else...

There's a club if you'd like to go, you could meet someone, who really loves you!

So you go and you stand on your own, and you leave on your own, and you go home and you cry and you want to die...

When you say it's gonna happen "now", when exactly do you mean?

See I've already waited too long, and all my hope is gone...

youtube.com/watch?v=pEq8DBxm0J4

Mason Brooks
Mason Brooks

Why are there so many chinks on the SM Steam page: steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=651346103

Xavier Gutierrez
Xavier Gutierrez

I was gonna say there are a lot of chink fans of ML, but that begs it's own question. They already have their own native release. Why would they be interested in the Steam English one?

Brody Thompson
Brody Thompson

Adult Iris just does nothing for me, sorry.
Teen Iris on the other hand.

Samuel Edwards
Samuel Edwards

he is baiting right? right? i refuse to believe a person can be this retarded.

Tyler Nguyen
Tyler Nguyen

Sylwia is mean no matter what you do
I know it's in character, but still it hurts.

Colton Morales
Colton Morales

I want to bully Latrova until she cries.

Brody Cruz
Brody Cruz

just bully her about her dead husband and convince her her missing son is kill.

Landon Garcia
Landon Garcia

Telling Irisdina and Beatrix that Jurgen never loved them and wouldn't have shed a tear if they committed suicide.

Cameron Sullivan
Cameron Sullivan

Which Schwarzes would you Marken?

Lincoln Stewart
Lincoln Stewart

Sylwia will never dominate you

Connor Evans
Connor Evans

She already cried all her tears years ago.

Now, she only has resolve. You can't even really bully her about her son anymore, because she found him again, in a manner of speaking.

Mason Brooks
Mason Brooks

What would Bea and Iris look like if they'd survived into TE's time?

Michael Nguyen
Michael Nguyen

I think we can all agree that they'd look like cougar/MILF goddesses.

Andrew Garcia
Andrew Garcia

Your MuvLuv will never Luv you because you are BETA as fuck

Feels bad, man

Adam Perry
Adam Perry

She was very selfish in her earlier life, and in the end, it was her jealousy and resentment that led her to Axmann, and reporting them.
But isn't that already implied that she was allowed to live according to her brother's will in the anime? Furthermore, Isnt that already stated that Iris reporting her brother is not in accordance to her will but forced by Axeman as he medles into Jurgen's affairs?

Justin Myers
Justin Myers

Sylwia will never dominate you
Woe is me

Jaxson Price
Jaxson Price

We don't really know who was closer to Jurgen's ideal. It's mostly conjecture at this point. Considering that both Hannibal and Walter were Jurgen's compatriots, I'd lean towards Iris being the "right" choice.

Ryder Kelly
Ryder Kelly

The response I got is that the BiS's version of Iris is not as angelic of a person as compared to how she is portrayed in the anime. The anime depicts her as a political hostage, used as a black sheep for the sake of the nation's propaganda, forced to kill her brother due to Axeman meddling and many more instead of Iris being the very cause of it.

Dominic Long
Dominic Long

I want to abuse Lise's trust by promising to look after her ribbons, and "accidentally" spilling ketchup on them.

Colton Young
Colton Young

Would Lise have worn the ribbons if Ketchup ejaculated on them?

Joshua Smith
Joshua Smith

What are you trying to imply here?

Josiah Collins
Josiah Collins

If Iris needs love from Jurgen, would it be a good way to bully to become her boyfriend and treat her like shit?
By that I don't mean to be a domestic abuser, just extremely uncaring and ignoring her and generally make her feel like no one wants her.

Kevin Morgan
Kevin Morgan

Irisdina is for loving, marriage and taking care of.

Jacob Gray
Jacob Gray

Beatrix and Iris were born in the same year as Latrova and even Mira
all the girls will never go on cake adventures

Why even live?

Robert Walker
Robert Walker

A personality test.

If Lise would throw away ketchup-cum-stained ribbons that would show her meager love for Onii-chan that's can't even handle a little foreign cum on her treasure.

If she would keep them on her, that shows how much she loves him even though the ribbons on her head are semen-crusted, and that makes her a unhygienic whore.

Either way she loses, don't let anyone cum on the ribbons.

Nathaniel Ward
Nathaniel Ward

If Iris harbours a bit of resentment due to Jurgen being slobber all over Bea. Does that make Iris a bro con?

Samuel Garcia
Samuel Garcia

Iris is a super bro-con what are you talking about?

Luke Roberts
Luke Roberts

I'm trying to prove my assumption based on what is posted in this thread without any knowledge of BiS whatsoever.

Asher Rivera
Asher Rivera

原来烹饪是贝娅特丽克丝的爱好
If life for both Jurgen and Beatrix did not go anymore worst, beatrix could have been a decent and caring wife.

Cooper Butler
Cooper Butler

正在高兴的时候,贝娅特丽克丝找上门。她对尤尔根说“这两个月我确信了,你是能给我指出前进道路的人,所以我对你很感兴趣。但是你放我鸽子两个月不理我,所以要惩罚你。尤尔根·伯恩哈德,和我交往吧!”

OMG! Beatrix is so cute and innocent! I can literallly imagine Beatrix talking to Jurgen with her tsun tsun personality!

Robert Nguyen
Robert Nguyen

That Type-G thing with Beato on the cover got scanned.

Colton Barnes
Colton Barnes

Bullying Anett!

Jonathan Price
Jonathan Price

For the last time, anime does things VERY differently from the other materials. And even concerning the anime, you have it wrong. In the anime, Iris was allowed to live because she proved her loyalty to the state by killing her brother, a traitor counter-revolutionary.

Now, in the main materials, even before BiS, it was murky who did what back then. But it was clear that Iris was not innocent. Which leads to your second question - what on Earth are you talking about? If Axmann had the incriminating information himself, why would he have even needed Iris? Him hauling in Jurgen and the circle would have netted him a promotion to practically Stasi chief. He only knew because Iris came to him. It's one of the few truthful things he's ever said - he recorded her testimony. I'm not even sure where you're getting this in the anime, there, they literally only said Jurgen's name once, and very broadly hinted at him a few times.

Even in the anime, Iris tattled on Jurgen. It's more sinister in the original materials, in that it also helps explain the rivalry with Beatrix - it seems Beatrix was the one who had to shoot Jurgen - not Iris. Now, knowing how utterly devoted she was to Jurgen, and knowing Irisdina told them, it's what finally made what became their present day blood feud.

Look, she is very serene and angelic IN the PRESENT day (and even then, not entirely, since at the story start, Theo, like everyone else in East Germany, "knows" she's a hero who stopped a coup, and she purposely cultivates the image she's a Stasi or a collaborator). It's her past that is filled with envy, malice, and hate, ending with despair when she realized what she had done. It's partly that despair, that truly led her back to God.

Bea is aware of the image Iris has in East Germany, and she knows just like Iris how bullshit it is.

Jordan Brown
Jordan Brown

Iris is an angel deserving love.

Caleb Howard
Caleb Howard

Whoreisdina deserves only beatings. Same goes for Beatrix, Pole, gook, Lise, Vivi, ginger slut and Gretel.

Evan Lee
Evan Lee

ginger slut
you mean Katia
;^)

Oliver Ross
Oliver Ross

fuck off destrado

Chase Richardson
Chase Richardson

reminder that Katia is strawberry blond and as you yourself said all blondes need to die.

Robert Smith
Robert Smith

It's her past that is filled with envy, malice, and hate, ending with despair when she realized what she had done. It's partly that despair, that truly led her back to God.
So Schwarzesmarken is a story about a girl who caused tons of problems due to her being driven by hatred and jealousy, then later regrets and realized for what she had done thus tries to atone back for the sins she had committed by doing good and saving the nation?

Ayden Flores
Ayden Flores

by doing good and saving the nation

more like trying and failing horribly and dragging the whole Europe down with it.

Jeremiah Robinson
Jeremiah Robinson

Irisdina got pinched before the rebellion was kicked into full gear. Katia picked up the pieces and tried to play with the big boys.

Blaming Irisdina for what happened is like blaming Beatrix for what happened to Lise.

Nicholas Nelson
Nicholas Nelson

Irisdina knew who Katia was from the start and thus probably knew what she wants or what her ideals were.

Kevin Brooks
Kevin Brooks

That's besides the point. If Irisdina wasn't arrested then she presumably could have provided the rebels much needed leadership expertise. Instead we get a 15 year-old convincing a rear-echelon general with decades of leading experience to "fight the good fight" and then consecutively losing to a 22 year-old Major.

I think if Irisdina was able to lead, things would be a lot different. Instead she sat in prison and 10 minutes after she got out she threw her life away for "Saint" Ursula.

3 months later the DDR collapses and I guarantee Irisdina was rolling in her grave the entire time.

Aaron Thomas
Aaron Thomas

I wouldn't say an angel, if simply to imply goodness. Lucifer, after all, is an angel.

But yes she does deserve love.

Very good, you're catching on.

Well, one of the stories being told, anyways. That's partly why she has Theo around. She desperately wants one more chance, and for someone to say sorry to, someone to forgive her.

Para mantê-lo não é nenhum benefício. Para destruí-lo não é nenhum perda.

Favela fucker.

Angel Lopez
Angel Lopez

But didn't Lucifer bring the light?

Brody Cox
Brody Cox

Lucifer, after all, is an angel.
So Katia is an angel?

Angel Thompson
Angel Thompson

That's partly why she has Theo around. She desperately wants one more chance, and for someone to say sorry to, someone to forgive her.
So it all make sense to why she felt relieved after Theo forgives her for she had done

Liam Miller
Liam Miller

Does it? Theo and Iris spent like 45 seconds together.

Are you telling me it makes sense to forgive someone's misdeeds after a relationship that lasts about the time it takes to make a pot of coffee?

Aaron Taylor
Aaron Taylor

皆さまがこの新しい『マブラヴSF』を楽しくプレイしていただけるよう、また私たちの次の夢である『マブラヴ オルタネイティヴ』のアニメ化に向けた新たな第一歩となりますよう、スタッフ一同心より願っております。

dream
animated
Muv-Luv Alternative

top kek.

John Jenkins
John Jenkins

Anime doesn't do a very good job of getting her motivations across. Without understanding how Jurgen and Beatrix and how they fit in her past, her motivations are simply a giant mystery, hence why a lot of people were lost when the anime was airing. The Eternal Wantanabe fucked everyone over again. But yes, she had a lot to get off her heart.

Now now though, those aren't the only reasons she keeps Theo around. Part of what complicates the situation later is she starts to fall for Theo as who he is.

Matthew Clark
Matthew Clark

She hates Beatrix because her system doesn't allow for religion. Iris is a huge god-fag.

Joseph Hernandez
Joseph Hernandez

Does it? Theo and Iris spent like 45 seconds together.
I wrote it according to Iris' perspective which is what the user meant here. Of course the anime did not explicitly tell audience what actually happened previous between Theo and Iris since the Anime is the truncated version of the original materials
.

Elijah Allen
Elijah Allen

Why? So evil.

Ayden Wood
Ayden Wood

Instead we get a 15 year-old convincing a rear-echelon general with decades of leading experience to "fight the good fight" and then consecutively losing to a 22 year-old Major.
This makes me mad.

I get even more mad when a whole tank division got blown away by the werewolfs.

Christian Harris
Christian Harris

So I could hug her and tell her I'm sorry and just got carried away with playing around, of course

Ian Sanchez
Ian Sanchez

Would you sell Katia to Axmann?

Parker Sullivan
Parker Sullivan

I remember how some people did not like anett and compared her emotional breakdowns on the battlefield with a child throwing a tantrum.

Robert Walker
Robert Walker

Animeonlies should be purged, and sent to reeducation camps where they get bashed on the shins with iron rods until they can pinpoint exactly where Wantanabe fucked up.

TO KEEP YOU IS NO BENEFIT

TO DESTROY YOU IS NO LOSS

I'm quite sure it wasn't a whole division. But even that, it was dumb since TSFs are not meant to engage armor at all. There's tankfags and Pactaboos to whinge in depth of how stupid it was, but short to say just disregard the anime ever happened.

Joshua Ramirez
Joshua Ramirez

Yes, for a Trabant

Anthony Young
Anthony Young

don't think she is worth that much user. Axmann wouldn't agree to sell his pimp mobile for that low.

Juan Carter
Juan Carter

I'm quite sure it wasn't a whole division
It was.

Hopefully they had no idea over how large a tank division is and thougt it was only like 40 tanks and some other stuff.

Kevin Bell
Kevin Bell

Animeonlies should be purged, and sent to reeducation camps where they get bashed on the shins with iron rods until they can pinpoint exactly where Wantanabe fucked up.
I hope you aren't referring to my post, because I was talking about the anime, rather than the source material.

Nathan Ortiz
Nathan Ortiz

You could have ambushed the Werewolves with pic related

Also, to put things in perspective, the 7th Panzerdivision at the time of the reunification had
4 FROG 7 Surface to surface rockets
63 T-72
262 T-55
150 BMP
41 BTR
126 support vehicles
15 MT-55 (bridge layer version of the T-55)

Jason Clark
Jason Clark

But how can the rebel forces get so much fire power in such a short time?

Charles Cruz
Charles Cruz

Because they were once the western army theater.

Josiah Sanchez
Josiah Sanchez

Maybe the whole division turned rebel?
but even if only 1/3 changes sides you still have
1 FROG
21 T-72
87 T-55
50 BMP
13 BTR
42 Support vehicles
5 bridge layers

Thomas King
Thomas King

Why do they even kept using tanks and armored vehicles vs beta?

Fast, light, cheap, open top vehicles with missiles are much more efficient. They could even make squads of automatic mine layers that put tens of thousands of mechanical mines in a week.

Isaac Hill
Isaac Hill

keep*
Also, forgot my Frodo.

Jaxon Howard
Jaxon Howard

Even 1 man/remote ultra light copters with rpgs are more efficient.

Caleb Richardson
Caleb Richardson

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/I_Have_No_Mouth,_and_I_Must_Scream

Justin Watson
Justin Watson

Rocket barrage ready!

Liam Nguyen
Liam Nguyen

user you need to put on the Wantanabe googles.

Remove everything but the tanks and all the tanks are T-64BV models directly from total eclipse.

Also remove the commanders sight and remote machine gun. Lower the turrets turning speed and we are set to go.

Nigga dont activate my combined arms card.
mechanical mines
What?

James Scott
James Scott

Yes, that. One rpg is 8$, as far as I remember, so you could spam them in millions.

And they should be effective vs everything except for destroyers that are vulnerable to mines. Or better missiles.

Sebastian Walker
Sebastian Walker

Well, there are proximity mines and pressure plate/vibration mines. Latter should be invisible to beta even if they can see electronic current, right?

Caleb Reyes
Caleb Reyes

I want to lick Lise's nose

Christopher Evans
Christopher Evans

That's not how a Tank division works watanabe

reusing models from four years ago
Why is this allowed?

Parker Roberts
Parker Roberts

not using GLA POSTAL SERVICE

Alexander Lopez
Alexander Lopez

Are you advocating to downgrade most militaries ground vehicles to glorified technicals with UB-32 look alike rocket pods?

missiles
No

Even if they can see it they got no intention to dissarm them. They just keep running over them.

Most mines in 1983 are activated by pressure and you dont need anything but that since it is the cheapest.

Because they refuse to try to find 3d models for free and they dont want to make new models either. Tanks are not that important in stories anyways right?

Xavier Moore
Xavier Moore

inb4 that webm of the bomb truck disguised as a battleship

Rocket barrages are satisfying as fuck

Tanks are not that important in stories anyways right?
yes they are, pls no bully tanks

Robert Jenkins
Robert Jenkins

downgrade
Using armored vehicles/tanks vs beta is not good, because armor is useless in melee and vs lasers.

I mean, why waste tens of tons of metals when its useless?

And missiles are better than cannons vs beta, because missiles have much lower recoil and don't need a heavy firing mechanism.

Jason Wood
Jason Wood

missiles are more expensive. And remember BETA run at over 200km/h so the would be pretty hard to hit with a dumb missiles.

James Diaz
James Diaz

Thats called the illusion of choice and doesn't reflect on her in either way dumbass, it just makes you the bad guy. Giving someone a "choice" between killing one family member or the other is the same thing, the chooser is alleviated of their free will and thus remain unjudged. You circumstance does not imply anything about her feelings for Theo or personal hygiene, all it implies is your own lack of humanity and how you yourself are an unhygienic whore for cumming on someone else's property.

Joshua Nguyen
Joshua Nguyen

Missiles are cheap, if you compare them to tank shells, I think.
And very fast, so they are accurate, especially with computer assisted targeting. Beta are not known for dodging after all.

Liam Cooper
Liam Cooper

Well, TSFs can be what basically is attack helicopter on crack, and as we all know, attack helicopters are vengeful souls of all who died in vain to tanks - and with whole world forgetting what is AA defense, it's not that stupid.

Bentley Robinson
Bentley Robinson

If Pheonix missiles are proven useful in Operation Neptune. Then why do we not see it being used again in the other ML sequels?

Hunter Collins
Hunter Collins

None of them really focus on groups that use them, and SM is one of the newer stories, they won't retcon them into the older ones.

David Smith
David Smith

They are not, actually - tank shells are both cheaper and faster than an anti-tank missile.

Anthony Nelson
Anthony Nelson

and with whole world forgetting what is AA defense, it's not that stupid.
nah it's just Watabanbe

Besides 4x23mm guns are always usefull, even more if it's the Afghan version and you can still use the older ZSU-57

Owen Smith
Owen Smith

Well you have good taste in noses, I can give you that much.

Aiden Lewis
Aiden Lewis

None of them really focus on groups that use them, and SM is one of the newer stories, they won't retcon them into the older ones.
I think the lack of missiles in TE is probably due to the usage of Japan's Railgun?

Sebastian Garcia
Sebastian Garcia

How would very drunk Iris act?

Aaron Nelson
Aaron Nelson

Depends on what rockets you are using, if you are using rockets designed to bombard targets at long range then they are pretty good but usually not that mobile to be used in hit and run.

If you are using rocket pods taken directly from ground attack jets then they are not that great as they could be.

Missiles are much more expensive then tank rounds since they are guided (thus need room for electronic equipment, fuel for the rocket and some kind of mechanism to turn the missile in the air etc) while tank rounds are unguided and more simple to make.

Missiles also have longer flight time, slow rate of fire (unless it is fire and forget missile which are extremely expensive) and mediocre damage since they use HEAT warheads. While they are lighter and have higher hit probability this is rendered irrelevant since BEAT are as large as barns and move in hordes so the chance of hitting a BEAT is extremely high with unguided weapons and shit are gona weight alot since you need alot of rounds to kill BETA.

Missiles are not gona replace anything. They are instead gona continue to have the role they already have.

BETA run at over 200km/h
No they dont. The highest speed a destroyer class can reach is 170km/h and this is not maintained all the time.

Hunter Gray
Hunter Gray

No they dont. The highest speed a destroyer class can reach is 170km/h and this is not maintained all the time.
They could slow down the Destroyer class' traveling speed by disabling the front and then lure them to the mine's radius?

Kevin Roberts
Kevin Roberts

You don't need a javelin, that aims at weak spots and penetrates active/passive defense, vs beta, a rpg would suffice

Connor Russell
Connor Russell

Like this

dick status: muh

Jonathan Morgan
Jonathan Morgan

chance of hitting a BEAT is extremely high with unguided weapons
So rockets are good enough?

Nicholas Turner
Nicholas Turner

Yeah as area effect type weapons like this

Not as pin point weapon sniping grapplers 4 kilometers away in 4 seconds. You need a tank for that or anything that got a tank gun firing APFSDS rounds.

Anyone talking about tactics, please look here to see if they are already doing what you want them to do
exhentai.org/g/827606/3324820ffe/
exhentai.org/g/877929/d4e8a936a1/
exhentai.org/g/612236/5a87fe9d1a/
exhentai.org/g/657689/035cbebf35/
They are not doing what I want.

Asher Allen
Asher Allen

I mean, look at it that way - most of the people who were taught to defend themselves from an air attack is already dead by that point, since armored divisions took the brunt of the BETA attacks until TSFs. Modern crews are overwhelmingly young and also fully embraced the role of a moving artillery, never expecting an air attack, and without a training of how to defend themselves from one, especially as DDR is a frontline nation that needs to throw people in the battle as soon as possible.

On the other hand, Werewolves are veteran TSF pilots who are explicitly taught how to evade the most perfect AA system in the world fully utilizing their maneuverability, landscape and first strike capability, while being extremely outnumbered. Really, for them its a match-up made in heaven.

Blake Gutierrez
Blake Gutierrez

Anything that a tank fires can be fired as a missile.

James Garcia
James Garcia

What's the best way to prank Anett that isn't too cruel?

Lucas Torres
Lucas Torres

Is she best girl?

Jacob Jackson
Jacob Jackson

So you want to fire a missile that have exactly the same effect as a round from a tank at a higher cost and lower rate of fire?

Thats nice.

Dont try to rationalise the anime, that was a tank divison based in the western theater who have two roles.

Support the eastern army theater if the BETA gets too tough or fight NATO which are not BETA.

Not to mention that it is such a extreme waste to waste people who are trained to operate air defence equipment to the BETA when they wont even be effective at all since their equipment is not effective against ground targets. The only thing they could is either serve as infantry or retraint to operate other equipment which at that point is better to have a fresh recruit.

The reason why 70% of a tank division got lost in the anime is because it is a anime and watanabe is directing it. It is that simple.

Luke Lopez
Luke Lopez

when they wont even be effective at all since their equipment is not effective against ground targets
Not necessary true, since tube guns can be employed against ground targets

The Soviets learned that in the hard way
"Afghan" variant. Reequipment performed during the Soviet–Afghan War for mountain combat. The radar system was removed and a night-sight was added. Ammunition increased from 2,000 to 4,000 rounds.

The same happened with the M-42 Duster in Vietnam

Kayden Smith
Kayden Smith

Yeah the ZSU-23-4 but you see, unless age says something, all the vehicles are assumed to have exactly the same thing as their real world counter part.

Since all the ZSU-23-4's we have seen still have their radar we can easily assume that the afghanski styled variant does not exist since it has not been seen yet.

Then there is a like 6 other anti aerial vehicles which uses anti air missiles which are competely useless against the BETA. Anti air vehicles using guns are slightly dwarfed by the hordes of anti air missile based vehicles.

Grayson Reyes
Grayson Reyes

higher cost and lower rate of fire
If anything, it'll be cheaper and faster firing because it wont need a firing mechanism and wont suffer from recoil.

Jonathan James
Jonathan James

But the afghanski version is literally a response to the BETA
Now that the NVA had it, that's another story (even more the western forces)

Nathan Wright
Nathan Wright

Instead we get a 15 year-old convincing a rear-echelon general with decades of leading experience to "fight the good fight" and then consecutively losing to a 22 year-old Major.

The reason why Heim lost so hard was because that 22-year old major is supposed to be a Yuuko-tier genius when it comes to military matters. It's still pretty stupid though.

Gabriel Edwards
Gabriel Edwards

Dont try to rationalise the anime
Now where would be fun in that? Especially since that doesn't seems like a very glaring mistake.
So then it's a division with almost zero, if any at all battle experience, and without any big talents to, since people like that would be thrown into the actual battle. On the other hand they would probably have some anti-TSF training, but I somehow doubt it's enough to fight with second best squadron in the armed forces, some of them equipped with a cutting edge machines.

I meant immediate air defense stuff like ZSU-23 and 57, which is both useful against ground targets, would be without any doubt used to support the tanks, and would be chomped with them. All other anti-air weaponry is probably almost abandoned at that point, since it's not really effective against BETA or TSFs.

Owen Hall
Owen Hall

No since unless you plan to use fire and forget missiles you have to guide the missile all the way to its target. And then you have to reload. Both of these takes time.

And like I said, you need to have some guidance system in the missile, fuel for the engine and some way to turn the missile in the air and that is expensive.

A horrible replacement for large caliber guns firing cheap high velocity AP rounds or slower powerful High explosive rounds at an rate of fire depending on the loaders speed and the gunners ability to find targets (which is easy)

You mention recoil and firing mechanism but non of these are problems unless you want to become an arab technical driver.

All ZSU that have been seen in the VN have been observed having their radar still mounted. I have not seen something mention the afghanski version exist in muv luv.

Too bad the anime never implied that beatrix is actually a military genius. The only thing it did was have her smile in a evil way and kill people.

Austin Robinson
Austin Robinson

The reason why Heim lost so hard was because that 22-year old major is supposed to be a Yuuko-tier genius when it comes to military matters.
Nah, Beatrix is smart, but she is no genius in military matters and such a thing has never been stated, her talents lie elsewhere.

Owen Lee
Owen Lee

Some Jap comments said that she would of had the intelligence and talent to be another Yuuko had her life allowed it.

Carson Stewart
Carson Stewart

Problem is that we never saw much of the battle between the tank divison and werewofl.

Even in the battle near the river the only reason the werewolfs got the upper hand was because of their number and having a secret base close by.
Best
If we go by the anime, then they easily get beaten by the 666th in older models and have less expereince in anti tsf combat. They were implied to be a bunch of mean stasi girls that only got newer models.
The only person to defeat most of the 666th was Beatrix, sure some girl got killed by the werewolfs but that 1 vs 3 scenario with beatrix allowing it to happen.

All other anti-air weaponry is probably almost abandoned at that point, since it's not really effective against BETA or TSFs.
Based on absolutely what? This is completely false since the western theater forces were expected to fight NATO if they have to thus they need all their equipment since NATO forces can then freely deploy bombers, helicopters and even REAL attack jets with no impunity since the only air defence are ZSU shilkas if we got by "if it does not work against BETA then it is not needed"

Even with the BETA at the humanitys door step, they still plan to fight on and other if it has to be done. TSF are not purely ment to fight BETA but other TSF and conventional equipment. Thus retaining weapons effective against jets etc is not illogical. Even more when the East german goverment was extremely paranoid about the west.

And the missiles used go at speeds beyond mach 2. The amount of kinetic energy from a SA-8 is nothing to laugh at. 170 kilo missile with a HE warhead going at mach 2.5+ would seriously damage a TSF or destroy it since after the F-4 phantom they got less armor thus less protection since there was a change in doctrine and design of TSF.

Zachary Wilson
Zachary Wilson

Until we get those statements backed up with something official, they will, sadly, remain only opinions.

Angel Howard
Angel Howard

Lise is like a plush toy and she should be cuddled with at nights.

Tyler Harris
Tyler Harris

Why do you need to guide the missile? They are not slower than a shell and have fins just like shells.

Jaxson Perry
Jaxson Perry

How do you bully Pham to make her use CQC on you?

Christian Morris
Christian Morris

tfw no Yugoslavia front VN

Isaiah Williams
Isaiah Williams

Leadbelly can certainly give you some pointers there.

Asher Ward
Asher Ward

Suffering
youtube.com/watch?v=YEAXIoBPhBQ

John Ramirez
John Ramirez

That is the sole reason why they have their high hit probablity.

They are guided.

Or are you planing to use unguided rockets? If so then you are doing something competely useless since we already use unguided rockets in muv luv in massive numbers in artillery, not as direct fire weapons since the reload time is horrible.

They are not slower
They are not flying at speeds of mach 4. APFSDS rounds have a velocity of around 1600 meters which is faster then any unguided rocket and have superior armor penetration regardless of range.

The only thing that can match that velocity is the CRV7 which is mounted on helicopters and ground attack jets and is not suited to be mounted on a technical.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CRV7

TLRD, Please stop with your nonsence.

Jayden Scott
Jayden Scott

i.imgur.com/sq67ZZw.jpg

Zachary Jackson
Zachary Jackson

Delet this.

Jonathan Ortiz
Jonathan Ortiz

Lise should be cuddled with when she is at her lowest moments.

Carson Williams
Carson Williams

Beato be like, Strafe~~
Meanwhile licking the blood that spilt on her face.

William Russell
William Russell

Sometimes you just gotta cuddle the bad stuff away.

Jordan Lewis
Jordan Lewis

Wouldn't Katia make more sense for this?

Dominic Evans
Dominic Evans

Is this a scan from the upcoming VN?

Blake Hill
Blake Hill

upcoming

ho ho ho

Isaiah Jackson
Isaiah Jackson

Lewd

saved

Connor Wilson
Connor Wilson

Please make it happen! I wanna see gory scenes of Lise dead in a blood bath.

Brayden Reyes
Brayden Reyes

Eat shit and fuck off.

Jackson Nguyen
Jackson Nguyen

When will we see more these guys in action?

Alexander Taylor
Alexander Taylor

Artillery
You do know that unguided at missiles are pretty small and therefore easily reloadable while having high destructive power?

And even handheld at missiles have about 1 Mach speed. Scale them up to a jeep and you'll get decent firepower.

And, even if agree that 4 Mach cannon shell is required, then tank armor still doesn't make sense as it slows it down while providing no defense vs beta.

Where are tank destroyers, fusion of firepower and speed?

David Brown
David Brown

Now hold the fuck up. What kind of unguided AT missiles are you talking about?

Recoiless guns? Handheld RPG's? Because beyond that you have rockets that are mounted on helicopters and jets and those my friend take time to reload and do not give the best results when firing from a technical.

If you are talking about recoiless guns and RPG's? Well recoiless guns are pretty okay but have lower caliber then guns mounted on tanks and have less firepower and significant reduction in range but it is signifcantly lighter.

RPG's have the same problem at slightly worse levels depending on design.

Can they replace tank guns mounted on tanks? No. Why? Simply because less performance and inability to perfrom offensive manouvers since the platform is not stable for firing on the move. There is also a question of tactical mobility and how long they can fight compared to tanks. Tho technicals are signifcantly ligther, they will have problems in manouvering over mud etc then tanks due to tanks having lower ground preasure since they have tracks that spreads out the weight on more surface then what a four wheel truck can do. There is a limit on how many rounds you can carry on truck compared to a M60A1.

And, even if agree that 4 Mach cannon shell is required, then tank armor still doesn't make sense as it slows it down while providing no defense vs beta.
Because in muv luv world tanks are still expected to perform their previous duties and age is lazy as fuck so they use real world vehicles regardless if it makes sense. It would be greater if they cut the weight of a tank by half by decreasing the overal armor thickness on the front and side by half and make the tank modular so that in times of conventional wars, you can bolt on armor on your tank and take it of when you are gona face BETA.

Where are tank destroyers, fusion of firepower and speed?
So you abandoned the idea of having hordes of technicals firing "missiles" replacing "armored vehicles"? Good.

Connor Robinson
Connor Robinson

Light vehicles can be half-tracks.

Also, no. I still think that light vehicles, be it jeep, or other lights, with missiles are better than tanks. Because they are a combination of cheap, very fast and high firepower/rate of fire.

But if highest range and firepower is needed, instead of highest firepower, then why aren't tank destroyers a thing?

Strap a big autoloader cannon with ammo to a wide tracked platform, or even a half track and there you go.

Jacob Green
Jacob Green

A weapon to surpass the BETA

Gabriel Lopez
Gabriel Lopez

I should say that I don't mean to bash on ML. Its just that Battletech, that had mechs as the pinnacle of war tech, still developed tanks that were a serious threat.

Luis Gomez
Luis Gomez

you will never eat hard bread seasoned with salty tears with Irisdina in Higa Doitz

Fuck this gay Earth.

Camden Bell
Camden Bell

Battletech

I knew a gongard who got buttmad, and still is, when his mechs where killed by tanks

Jonathan Allen
Jonathan Allen

high firepower/rate of fire.
I have explained to you multiple times that his is not really the case here.

But if highest range and firepower is needed, instead of highest firepower, then why aren't tank destroyers a thing?
I can play your own card against you if I wanted to.
Because Age is not gona sit down and design modern tank destroyers. They are too lazy for that and if they do it then the release of martyrs will be postponed by some magical reason.

Thats the whole reason why the US uses modern M1A1 abrams at 60 ton instead of M1 abram weighting 40 tons and using a 140mm gun firing super duper fast 100% american uranium penetrators to rape destroyer class at 4 kilometers.

Strap a big autoloader cannon with ammo to a wide tracked platform, or even a half track and there you go.

Thats already a thing, BMP-2, Bradleys etc.

Benjamin Brown
Benjamin Brown

Bradley
Isn't that thing a scout troop transport?
Because Age is not gona sit down and design modern tank destroyers.
Now that's just meta.

Levi Fisher
Levi Fisher

Isn't that thing a scout troop transport?

you tell me
youtube.com/watch?v=aXQ2lO3ieBA

Ryder Hernandez
Ryder Hernandez

Isn't that thing a scout troop transport?
And panzer 5 and panther are different tanks

Levi Ortiz
Levi Ortiz

Lise won't get a bloody death scene. The only girl who might get a ridiculously brutal death would be Beatrix and Pham.

Jordan Gutierrez
Jordan Gutierrez

Pham
Don't they dare

Daniel Carter
Daniel Carter

So is Schwarzesmarken good to watch on its own? I heard that it was mostly a self contained story, so you don't need outside material to really get it.

Brayden Cruz
Brayden Cruz

SM anime
good

Pick one.

Jordan Kelly
Jordan Kelly

Now that's just meta.
What do you mean?

Josiah Mitchell
Josiah Mitchell

Depends on if you count getting blown up as brutal. At least it was instant and painless, unlike poor Vivi.

William Barnes
William Barnes

Beatrix wasn't very clean or painless either and ranks up there as probably one of the top three worst deaths in SM. Her body was probably desecrated too, not that it would really matter to her.

Hunter Ward
Hunter Ward

sasuga moderates

beta wilkommen

Robert Barnes
Robert Barnes

I hope you are being ironical with that video.

John Jackson
John Jackson

Why don't they just engineer a bio weapon to wipeout the BETA?

Ryder Morgan
Ryder Morgan

She got Ghaddafi'd

Justin Adams
Justin Adams

Beta biology is so aloen the only thing humsns manage to learn about it is that they are carbon based life forms. Nothin else of significance.

Connor Robinson
Connor Robinson

Isn't that thing a scout troop transport?
No there are two versions.

The M2 Bradley and the M3 Bradley. First being a IFV and other a scout vehicle with removed troop transport capabilites for extra radios etc.

Christopher Morris
Christopher Morris

Not many stories focus on F-14s.

Very lewd. A hint of her before times.

You'll want to watch Total Eclipse sometime, regardless. It has some connections if you go deep enough. And it's good.

They tried, none worked.

Daniel Ramirez
Daniel Ramirez

Isn't that thing a scout troop transport?
Certainly superior to any jeep with a missile on it.

Alexander Brooks
Alexander Brooks

Kissinger not implying anything

he knows

Owen Davis
Owen Davis

How would you feel if you were in Theo's spot?

Daniel Carter
Daniel Carter

I think Lise's death would have taken away my abilities to give a fuck. If I was in Theo's spot and was limited to what he knew of the situation, I think I'd probably have done worse to Beatrix.

Julian Green
Julian Green

So they turned her dead TSF into a monument or something, like it's commemorating victory over the old regime?

Why did they remove her cockpit block though?

Jordan Watson
Jordan Watson

Feel nothing but pity and then cause Iris to bleed to death.

Then I would make katia wear the ribbons.

John Williams
John Williams

Nerve agents are always an option

Luis Gutierrez
Luis Gutierrez

I TOLD YOU ABOUT THE TANKFAGS
And then to top it off, they just leave the Mig-27 and the sword there, when they're both perfectly useable. What a waste.

Australian wildlife

kek

Maybe they'll show some frontline troops one day equipping them. The Lunar exosuits already gave off that Sphess Mahreen vibe.

Well we know how she dies in the Katia route.

There's still one or even two more routes for her to die in.

Maybe even three, in secret Beato route, done by Theo himself

Ethan Kelly
Ethan Kelly

I TOLD YOU ABOUT THE TANKFAGS
You mean missile fag?

Colton Ramirez
Colton Ramirez

So something I noticed but Theo has both arms according to the LN picture and it looks like he's stabbing Beatrix when they're both on the ground. What gives?

Benjamin Parker
Benjamin Parker

Secondary here, but are all ML heroes as ruthless and edgy as Theo?

Ian Morgan
Ian Morgan

nah, Wilbert is best MC

Levi Mitchell
Levi Mitchell

How lewd.

No, they're not. Otherwise they would have been extensively using them numbnuts. BETA physiology isn't the same as human, or even terrestrial biology. It's radically different. They don't have lungs, for example, so Sarin/Tabun/VX would be useless on them. Same with blood agents, choking agents, irritants/burning agents, nucleogenics, etc etc etc.

He has to destroy the symbol of all that is evil.

Not really. Well, sort of. Muv Luverse breaks people.

Benjamin Jackson
Benjamin Jackson

Sarin/Tabun/VX would be useless on them
Not really, if it can affect their muscles and cause them to lock up then it would be an effective area denial weapons since they would be unable to move so they would become sitting ducks and die.

Levi Flores
Levi Flores

BETA are carbon life forms and nerve agents work by fucking up the nervous system
I'm just saying give Sarin a chance

Jackson Price
Jackson Price

My example was it won't because BETA just don't have terrestrial physiology. The nucleotides, amino acids, enzymes, and other bondings that make up chemical weapon form and function on our world just won't work with them. Even if they were humanoid enemies, it's doubtful they would even work 100% against them, or at least with the same functionality. And BETA strains are radically different. The neurotransmitters that ALL nerve agents, including VX, rely on, either aren't there in BETA or are in radically different form. Same again for blood agents, irritants, etc. You're better off weaponizing piss.

And for that matter, biological agents don't work either. Same with any medical effects from nuclear materials.

Hudson Nguyen
Hudson Nguyen

Cryska, Yui and Inia are my waifus.

Luke Rodriguez
Luke Rodriguez

This was a pretty good change up for the anime to be honest.

Christian Adams
Christian Adams

Someone should have told Beatrix that this is what happens when you keep taunting a sexually frustrated virgin.

Josiah Jackson
Josiah Jackson

On that note, what would you guys think a Beato route would be like, event-wise? Would she have Theo kill Iris, Katia, etc? Become her right-hand man/boytoy/cuddlebear while she runs the DDR with an iron fist? Maybe put best imouto into a mental facility?

Anthony Garcia
Anthony Garcia

virgin
Although whether he says yes to the h-scene or not the end result for Beatrix so far looks to be the same.

Blake Stewart
Blake Stewart

You will never try and fail to dominate Sylwia
You will never have your teeth kicked out by Sylwia

Why live

Aaron Bailey
Aaron Bailey

Why is Axmann so much more liked in the West then the East?

John Bell
John Bell

nice QUALITY

Nathan Sanchez
Nathan Sanchez

The anime made him the "reasonable" and "charismatic" stasi rather then the hyper douche he is in the VN.

Eli Phillips
Eli Phillips

western fujos fujoing it up over a character that enjoys hurting girls and hosting gangrapes and was also originally a slimy old man
Oh the irony.

Carson Foster
Carson Foster

Fujoshis love him for some reason.

Cooper Hughes
Cooper Hughes

Theo joins the werewolves, and is reunited with Lise. Lise fuckin' dies in an unfortunate and preventable accident, possibly saving Theo. Theo and Beatrix turn to one another to deal with their grief.

I think Beatrix would be unwilling to intrude on Lise's relationship given her feelings about true love and her past conduct, including her treatment of Lise and her mercy toward Martin.

Leo Taylor
Leo Taylor

I thought that most fangirls would hate SM.

Ethan Peterson
Ethan Peterson

What would their relationship be like, do you think? Ace TSF enforcer for her regime, and cuddlebuddy in bed behind closed doors, BDSM fuckbuddy, or something else?

Luke Peterson
Luke Peterson

Not many stories focus on F-14s
But are Phoenix missiles really exclusive only to F-14s?

Anthony Evans
Anthony Evans

Just let the thread die gracefully dude. We'll make a new one in a couple of days when there's more to talk about.

Caleb Murphy
Caleb Murphy

M60

Ditch that half-assed pos and gimme some Leopard 1s.

Gabriel Rivera
Gabriel Rivera

It wouldn't work. Neither of them are compatible with one another.

Caleb Rivera
Caleb Rivera

Badlys

Is the situation THAT desperate?! Next thing you'll be telling me they use Stryckens as well!

If by scout troop transport you mean a dysfunctional, impotent, overbloated mobile coffin for a partial infantry squad and vehicle crew then yes, it's a "scout troop transport".

movie
not book

You're doing it wrong.

You're right; the reality of it was MUCH worse than depicted in the film.

removed troop transport capabilites for extra radios etc.
adding more weight to a vehicle that's already got weight issues

It's like my country's military doesn't realize how much they embarrass themselves with these travesties.

That's a rather audacious claim, though I suppose it largely depends on how you qualify "superior".

Jason Jenkins
Jason Jenkins

It's a wider problem of self proclaimed moralfags not realizing they actually have no empathy at all. Or refusing to understand.

She's a good girl, trying her hardest, trying to do good in a world where the good are crushed underfoot, and struggling with immense guilt.

Brayden Cruz
Brayden Cruz

We're talking hypothetical Beatrix route here.

imagination.jpg

Austin Adams
Austin Adams

she looks like a child.

Wyatt Thompson
Wyatt Thompson

But she's exactly the same. A sexually frustrated, desirous of idealism, secretly hapless romantic, virgin.

Aaron Long
Aaron Long

The only penis she wants touching her is dead.

Andrew Bell
Andrew Bell

Theo
virgin
I mean maybe he can remain a virgin all the way through the story in Katia's route but I don't think its fair to call him that in general.

Daniel Lopez
Daniel Lopez

Well, he's not the worst person retarded bitches had a fanbase for.

Josiah Baker
Josiah Baker

Ketchup not the worst
Now you have my curiosity. Whose the worst?

Cooper Lee
Cooper Lee

Reminder she was waiting specifically for Yuuya.

Hudson Rodriguez
Hudson Rodriguez

Ich!

Connor Smith
Connor Smith

Wachregiment "Feliks Dzierzynski"
Thats MfS lad.

Josiah Thompson
Josiah Thompson

Hannibal Lecter, Captain Vidal from Pan's Labyrinth, heard some had hots for fucking Freddy Krueger.

Lincoln Mitchell
Lincoln Mitchell

Fujos getting the hots for Vidal
You learn something new every day.

Hunter Sanders
Hunter Sanders

They're just Beatrix tier. Axmann is worst.

Eli Mitchell
Eli Mitchell

maledom/abuse that backfires
Didn't know I have this fetish until now.

Connor Taylor
Connor Taylor

What would Anett be like if you take her away from all the death and destruction and make her feel loved?

Daniel Nguyen
Daniel Nguyen

Did Theo get to penetrate them too?

Andrew Garcia
Andrew Garcia

Nah, the "peaceful protesters" got them.

Cooper Perez
Cooper Perez

Did they get the schwanz?

David Hall
David Hall

lewd

Landon Nelson
Landon Nelson

Some things never change.

Ian Jones
Ian Jones

Do you watch blacktaildefence videos?

Oliver Gutierrez
Oliver Gutierrez

I could see it, after he defects to save the 666th from being detained, it starts off with him acclimating to his new squad, seeing and hearing all the new faces and lives of his new comrades, and training them more heavily in anti-BETA and CQC tactics. With Beatrix, it begins as just a professional relationship, but then Beatrix starts doing what Iris was doing, starts investing him with her legacy and ideals, and wanting to make someone she can apologize to, and to ask for forgiveness. She faces a crisis when she realizes more than just wanting to mold this person into something, and so comes to an agony where he's become her cuddlebear and pillar. This is about the time the rebellion kicks off, and he's crestfallen to hear the 666th is leading it. He tries desperately to avoid battle with them, until it comes to a head, and he hears how they were detained, and that they are breaking out, and he's forced to try to stop them. It's there he faces the one who volunteered to stay behind, Pham , who crying happily, tells Theo she knows he's doing what he feels is right, and to keep chasing the dream. In the end, Theo breaks when he kills her, cradling her body as she cries happy tears and tells him it's alright. Beatrix is crestfallen that he did what he had to do, and asks him to fight the BETA, and she'll deal with the rebellion to spare Theo, along with saying her answer is yes, and when she returns, they'll begin their life. But it's all for naught, Theo flies back with some Werewolves in defiance of her orders to try to help save her and other Werewolves, only to try to reach her for days. It ends with him finding Beatrix, only to see her end where her ruined TSF is finally brought down. Though they win against the rebels, Beatrix dies cradled in his arms with a peaceful smile.

Defeating the rebellion, and as squadron CO, he's left as the ruler of East Germany.

What, you thought you'd get a happy ending?

Easton Davis
Easton Davis

Not a trace of Lise
I'm assuming your whole plan starts off with because none of that would happen as long as she's still breathing.

Isaiah Reed
Isaiah Reed

your plot is retarded and you should never write fan fiction.

Austin Murphy
Austin Murphy

Yes, Lise is dead.

Not that I want it to go that way if there is a Beatrix route, but I see that as one way. I don't like it because it's not necessarily what I want to see, just a foreseeable vision if it happened, based on amalgamation of various opinions I've heard here too over the months.

What did you have in mind then?

Jordan Cook
Jordan Cook

This is some serious form of shitposting.

Connor Evans
Connor Evans

Hail the Bradley Master Race! May all believers be blessed with many 25mm shell casings!

Confirmed, Bradley drivers absolutely love the Bradley, you couldn't get them to love a pleb tier Stryker if their next promotion was on it.

Apparently in ML, it's very widley exported, Japan uses them too.

Anthony Jackson
Anthony Jackson

But japan already have the glorious nippon steel Type 89 IFV blessed by the shogun. How could honoruble japanees troops use american inferior gajin steel?

Cameron Clark
Cameron Clark

Ask Meiya. Surely some blood vessels popped among NIPPON STRONK.

But seriously, when someone is offering you this, why wouldn't you take it? Half your land is already taken.

Robert Williams
Robert Williams

When will the japs stop making such glaring mistakes when it comes to maps?

Levi Wood
Levi Wood

The problem here is that they are using modern maps where the soviet unions territory is not shown?

Brayden Evans
Brayden Evans

Correct, but putting the border between Soviet Russia and Soviet Ukraine is quite unnecessary as well, don't you think?

Andrew Ramirez
Andrew Ramirez

Im concerned about the logistic of having to introduce new ammo and spare parts for a vehicle when you already have something that is equal.

Depends on the price for the Bradleys. If they sold for a good price then maybe it will outweight the disadvantages. Also depend on Japans own capability to produce IFV's. If the invasion caused damage to the industry for production of the Type 89 IFV then it would be acceptable to buy Bradleys to fill the gap untill japanese industry is back in action to produce the type 89 IFV's.

Christian Roberts
Christian Roberts

Not if you are american since the americans considered soviet ukraine to be a seperate country from soviet russia.

Evan Brooks
Evan Brooks

Those were likely donated. You have to remember ML America just flat out gives military equipment, along with food and supplies, along with industrial goods and raw materials. Yes, they sell a lot of things too, but at core, they're determined to keep the world fighting.

Not really retard, it was the Soviets who tried to maintain that illusion that it wasn't a continuation of the Empire but a brotherhood of republics united. Why the fuck do you think the Soviets tried so hard and GOT separate UN seats for Ukraine and Belarus? They tried desperately hard to fight for seats for ALL of the Soviet republics, until America put their foot down and said then they would admit all of their states.

Alexander Gonzalez
Alexander Gonzalez

Is there a reason why Russians address their nation "Motherland" and Germans as "Fatherland"?

Sebastian Flores
Sebastian Flores

Russians address their nation as both though. Rodina and Otechestvo respectively.

Landon Martinez
Landon Martinez

Generally, because of cultural reasons, and historical divergances over time. Generally, all peoples have a feminine and masculine name or naming verse for their nation (and thus, it's personification), it's just one is sometimes used more prominently than others. For example, Saddam had the official name of Iraq changed sometime during his tenure because historically, due to Arabic inflection, specifically Levantine Arabic dialect and local cultural reasons, and remnant Arabic historical memory on naming conventions and gender relations, Iraq's official name was The Iraqi Republic. He was annoyed because it's a very feminine (motherly) inflection, and had it changed to Republic of Iraq to make it a masculine (hence, tough guy) name.

Maybe it's because the Germanic tribes that would become the Germans were constantly moving, and other factors, but it became more popular to refer to the heimat as something to be conquered, to be defended (the father), though bear in mind that even with this naming convention, the anthropomorphism of Germany as a nation rested in the feminine, the goddess Germania.

Whereas what would become the Russian tribes were perhaps formed by living in a harsh realm, and the land was the mother, because even in the harsh existence of the Rus, they were able to live because she nurtured them. That's not to say the Rus didn't have a masculine personization of their nation as well, it's just for cultural reasons the Mother was a more remembered figure.

Some cultures overwhelmingly use a male figure - Iran and variously either Cyrus the Great or Zoraster, and some overwhelmingly use the feminine - India and The Mother, but even they have opposing conceptions

America and Britain both started as personified and referred to in the sense of states as feminine (the goddess Britannia and the goddess Columbia). At some point they moved to masculine naming and personifications (John Bull and Uncle Sam), and now it's swinging back again.

Jacob Lee
Jacob Lee

BLESS YOU! OH THANK YOU LAWD.

Y-you don't have the injured Pham hugging Theo in her chest one in high detail, do you?

Hunter Young
Hunter Young

Nice

Benjamin Mitchell
Benjamin Mitchell

I'd have to buy that LN first, and that is currently beyond my means, but perhaps in a few weeks.

Aiden Mitchell
Aiden Mitchell

Bless your heart, lad. And thanks for spending the dosh, whoever you are, you didn't mention you'd be getting BiS. May you find your waifu and spend all your days with her.

Dominic Perez
Dominic Perez

3lewd5me
T-72
finally

Carson Wright
Carson Wright

Strike Frontier actually looks fun and has a nice gameplay. Also, no cucking so far, all heroines have sex with their respective MCs.

Brandon Perry
Brandon Perry

I want to have a pillow fight with Lise and Pham.

Joshua Russell
Joshua Russell

youtube.com/watch?v=c_kiJht_oJM
When I grow up I'm going to join the NVA

Hunter Clark
Hunter Clark

The world is at peace. You should join the UN instead.

Lincoln Collins
Lincoln Collins

The Irisfags get something nice as well.

Xavier Reyes
Xavier Reyes

nah m9 NVA4LIFE

And that was literally the name of the song anyways

Josiah Perry
Josiah Perry

Irisfags
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It's just me. Thanks.

I can't save it right now since I replaced my hardware and I am dealing with standard Microsoft garbage. Browsing Cred Forums while most of your OS tells you to get fucked is a weird feeling.

Colton Cook
Colton Cook

she finds out they are dating here?

Grayson James
Grayson James

she sees your dick.png

Brayden Bennett
Brayden Bennett

I believe she just witnessed this, but I can't read moon, so its just speculation.

Wyatt Myers
Wyatt Myers

To raise esprit de corps among 666ths and diminish depression some new ways to have fun need to be invented.
I suggest: mandatory Katia bullying hour.

Andrew Rogers
Andrew Rogers

I would rather join the Stasis instead and be either Lise or Beatrix's stooge. I believe that will give me happiness

Liam Harris
Liam Harris

She knows

I'll join the Grenztruppen and shoot Republikflüchtlinge erry day
also, they had a catchy song
youtube.com/watch?v=kXn7dQM5mRg

Connor Rodriguez
Connor Rodriguez

I'm going to marry Irisdina!

Julian Martin
Julian Martin

Lise's stooge
I would gladly trade places with Farka to protect Lise's smile and keep her body warm at night even if it means I get carved by Anette in the end.

Joseph Rodriguez
Joseph Rodriguez

you need to make her real first.

Joshua Lee
Joshua Lee

Be a good husband, ok?
She is real in his heart

Alexander Lee
Alexander Lee

But she is real, if she wasn't, how would I know about her?

Gavin Rivera
Gavin Rivera

how can you see if your eyes aren't real?

Parker Green
Parker Green

I want to act like a dick toward Yuuko and treat her as if she's much less intelligent than she really is.

Jonathan Gonzalez
Jonathan Gonzalez

I want Beatrix to tell me I'm a pig who thinks with his dick and then have her blow my mind.

Kayden Price
Kayden Price

I want to abuse chained Beatrix and Irisdina at the same time until they drop their enmity and decide that it's less scary when they stick together through dark times like that.

Josiah Myers
Josiah Myers

until they drop their enmity and decide that it's less scary when they stick together through dark times like that
For that to happen both need to fuck each other

Nolan Lewis
Nolan Lewis

Nice, where did you get these?

Jacob Scott
Jacob Scott

Scanned from BiS looks like

Aaron Gray
Aaron Gray

What do you guys think about these TE CGs?

i.imgur.com/z1jXfuN.jpg
i.imgur.com/jouVcnD.jpg
i.imgur.com/vILgn9U.jpg

Nolan Thomas
Nolan Thomas

Now, there is a coloured version of this one floating about, but its lower resolution, so enjoy

BiS volume 1 ebook. I would rip them in an even higher resolution, if I had any idea how to do it. So for now, its just stitches of screenshots.

Isaiah Howard
Isaiah Howard

The black and white ones have their own charm. These are certainly higher res and quality then the other rips.

Leo Nguyen
Leo Nguyen

Full page screen capture programs don't work?

Austin Evans
Austin Evans

That facial expression is so "Beatrix."

Daniel Taylor
Daniel Taylor

I am new to this, so no idea. If you can recommend some, I'd be grateful.

Jack Torres
Jack Torres

If it's using bookwalker like a lot of those Jap ebook sites use, you can probably scale the image to your resolution, so setting your res to as high as it can go (and flipping your monitor for vertical pictures) will produce a bigger image. I'd have to know exactly what program it's using though. Most of them have measures built in to make ripping using programs very difficult.

Anthony Nelson
Anthony Nelson

I use Bookwalker, I've read its a pain to Rip from it.

Leo Fisher
Leo Fisher

Well, with bookwalker, you're just going to be stuck breaking up and stitching together images. It's a bit of a pain in the butt, but it isn't too bad and you're getting much better quality shots then I did.

Robert Wright
Robert Wright

Well, it isn't that much of an annoyance, and I'm almost out of pictures for this volume anyway, and volume 2's TSF pictures are so grainy that it hardly matters how good the resolution is.

Thomas Thomas
Thomas Thomas

Is that QtTabBar? It looks a little bit different than what I am using.

Blake Stewart
Blake Stewart

Nah, I just use Full Screen Capture. It's not the most robust program, nor does it come with all the bells and whistles, but it's quick and gets the job done.

Chase Foster
Chase Foster

Oh no, I'm referring to the toolbar with the little blue shell icon.

Colton Cox
Colton Cox

It's ClassicShell since Windows 8.1's UI is shit.

Kevin Powell
Kevin Powell

Well this is the final one from me for this volume. Its sadly only marginally better than the ones already online, and all the coloured pictures have been already been scanned in far better resolution than I can currently provide.

Volume 2's pictures are mostly TSFs in Age's classic "grainy picture" picture style, but I'll upload them if there is interest. All the coloured ones have already been uploaded by others.

And well, lets hope for BiS volumes 3 and 4.

Nicholas Long
Nicholas Long

And well, lets hope for BiS volumes 3 and 4.
Are there any smiling Watanabe pictures available? This is where'd they be posted.

Nathan Jenkins
Nathan Jenkins

It's not "just" TSFs, is it? There's gotta be more then just that.

Austin Richardson
Austin Richardson

Is anywhere explained why he wears a vest with the Bundesadler on it?

Gabriel Green
Gabriel Green

The colour pictures are Iris drinking Tea and the whole Jürgen visits and Bea reacts, but the rest are maps () and grainy pictures and diagrams of F-4Rs and Migs and cropped, smaller and black and white versions of some of the pictures of the TECH GIAN run. Jürgen's female squad mate for example.

You'd have to ask a moonreader that.

William Butler
William Butler

So when are SMs getting into SF

Easton Hernandez
Easton Hernandez

Lise is a mean nasty bully.

Chase Wood
Chase Wood

So no new good pictures.

Christopher Fisher
Christopher Fisher

No you're a mean nasty bully.

Dylan Morgan
Dylan Morgan

Correct.

Thomas Cox
Thomas Cox

Oh please, you wouldn't know how to bully a kitten.

Leo Phillips
Leo Phillips

Hopefully soon. Just look at these .

I hope Beatrix will be getting some CGs, but I heard that only heroines will be getting the good stuff (which would disqualify my waifu then).

Gabriel Russell
Gabriel Russell

Yuuya is a real slut, isn't he.

Stella when?

Jonathan Barnes
Jonathan Barnes

It's a shame that they didn't use the colored photos in the TG chapters. I mean, they aren't exactly saving any money by making the ebook versions black and white like they do with the dead tree editions.

Hudson Torres
Hudson Torres

CGs are of the heroines with their respective protagonists
Good.