How to make Isekai good

Just fuck off already fuck

But aren't Isekai just fantasy stories? Dropping the game mechanics would make the world more realistic? But I see your point and probably the Fantasy setting should've been a better genre to discuss

Just fucking bring back Slayers for a new season or have some other nip come up with a new anime/manga/LN about a GIRL MC who is powerful and only has one or two potential love interests. Also make sure that the other characters are interesting/quirky and not all lust after one character's dick/vagina.
Also stop using RPG/MMO or any sort of game mechanics and just focus on building up the lore/setting of the story.

>it's hard to write so let's not do it
Fuck you. Of course, most LN authors have no business writing anything other than an application for unemployment benefits, but I'm not going to let a genre characteristic I appreciate be dropped so that even a monkey can write a "good" isekai.

The things that make the current wave of isekai popular are the exact things that people who dislike it consider flaws.

Define "overpowered".
Would a highly competent MC count as overpowered?
Say, let's consider a MC who in his regular world was some kind of top-class solider/spy (a la Jason Bourne). However, despite being a hardass at his own thing (tactical combatant, master strategist, master diplomat, possess situational awareness, good at reading people), he still finds himself in a fantasy setting, thus dealing with magic users and monster prove a challenge not suited to his abilities, thus you have a MC that is very clever and capable, but has to adapt to this new world.

Would you consider that overpowered?

Let me make a plot based on OP.
Character
>a girl who claimed she got transferred to this world from another world, claiming she had an ability to go back in time by dying, she mostly wears training jersey.

>a girl who claimed she got transferred to this world from another world, claiming she can always win any games (in actuality by making up new rules during the game), and a neet.

>a girl claiming she always solves another person problem but will make herself looks bad, a self proclaimed loner because of that (even though she always hangs around with a handsome and popular guy, but she said she want something GENUINE)

>a bland and generic girl who somehow attracts a lot of handsome guys. Somehow always do some accident like (accidentally opening bathroom when the guy is bathing, or when the guy is changing, accidentally touching guy chest, crotch, etc)

>MC a regular soldier who refuse to open his helmet, or speaks. Very loyal to its motherland and a bros before hoes kind of guy, and will do any assignment bestowed upon him if it was an order from the kingdom.He only communicate with his gesture

Plot
>One day in the castle, all those girls are gathered there by the king. Royal Priest said that one of them bears the power of hero who can saved the world from the upcoming demon lord. It was currently unknown if the girls claim being transported from another world is true or not. The soldiers and MC have to tend all those girls in the time being, until it revealed who is the real hero among them.

You know the settings

I know what you want, and the equivalent are adventuring / pioneering stories. If it was in a fantasy aspect, then it would be from the perspective of a soldier sent out to hunt a dragon, and everyone around him becoming bbq or sashimi from razor claws and teeth, or hamburgers from tail flattening.

Honestly isn't Grimgar enough for what you want? There's also most likely a logical order to learning spells, or do you want something like parties constituting teachers+retainers in training. Orphen Sorceror Stabber go watch that.
Read never ever, didn't get translated.

All those ideas are retarded versions of their original concepts.

How about they just go back to writing real fantasy instead?

How about this rule: the first person that the Isekai protagonist befriends must be someone of the same gender. This will prevent the story from shoving a waifu down your throat in chapter 1.

Indeed, I'd really like to know what the people who don't like isekai actually want to keep and see.

Some of the wishes even seem contradictory, for example they don't want a save-the-world plot but they still want a reason why the mc has come to the world.
An older type of isekai (that fell more in the horror genre than heroic fantasy) had the gritty realism and powerlessness they seem to want but there was usually no meaningful reason why the characters ended up in the new world, because this helped reinforce the absurdity and horror of the situation.
It's like asking for a realistic SoL seinen in which the character was born for some grandiose purpose, or for heroic fantasy without ancient evils to defeat and prophecies to fulfill. Grimgar did alright showing irrelevant adventurers fulfilling their meaningless existences in a new world but it's basically just generic fantasy with amnesiac characters and this sort of thing quickly gets boring, especially when there's no plot at all.

Manga like Suicide Island already exist and should cater to their tastes better, there's no need to reform the isekai genre for that.

>Make an MC who doesn't go full retard or constantly spill spaghetti
>Give him interesting challenges
>Make the cast a good mix of characters that aren't all insanely loyal to the MC

What am I missing

MC is genderbent

Competent mc is always welcome but from what I read there seems to be some unbalance between the main character and the rest of cast/people who are native to that world TL;DR Everyone is retarded except the mc

I never read Grimgar so I'll give a shot. I only read manga adaptations so I don't know how the writing is the WN and LNs. But it's something like that I'm looking for

>Snarky, "jaded" 18 year old boy gets run over or something
>His biggest wish was to become a cute girl
>He has a run-in with a god in the afterlife
>Makes a deal with him
>In exchange for his soul and his loyalty, he will have his every wish granted
>He is inserted into the body of a voluptuous girl that passively gives off a pheromone that attracts women
>Is granted the powers of a "Godslayer" and is thrown into a war between a pantheon of gods residing in a fantasy world

Fuck off, Re:tard

sallet helm is pure sex, we need heroes that rock it in more manga

We post helms now?

gross

helms

...

Is his helm fogged up with the divine breath? Does it desire power?

>Learns how to contract with and bind animals, demons, and other supernatural beings to his will

Digimon and 12 kingdoms are the only good Isekai

Don't forget about Vision of Escaflowne and .hack.
I don't think we'll get to see anything better from Issekai than what was done in those two shows.

Put telling a story with goals ahead of anything else.

Take El Hazard as an example. Students and their teacher come to a new world where they're tasked with saving the world and rescuing the missing princess.

More shit than that happens but that's my point. Shit happens. It's an actual story with a beginning middle and end.

I don't think you know what isekai means. It just means "another world". E.g. "A Connecticut Yankee in King Arthur's Court" but also narou isekai like "Overlord".

Narou isekai is probably what you meant, because it's the wish-fullfilment version of another world stories.

>No overpowered MC
>There needs to be some sort of language barrier
>No skill trees or level up like jrpgs
>No harem
>No Demon Lord has returned or whatever to destroy the world.
>No ranking monsters or people by letters. Their actual feats must demostrate how dangerous they are.
>There needs to be a reason why the mc was reincarnated/transported to the other world.
Hey that's sounds like this manga.

I think I just found what OP wants.

>There needs to be a reason why the mc was reincarnated/transported to the other world.

Can we just ignore reincarnation? whatever just happened to magic portals and summoning spells.

Just make a new dot-hack.

It needs to actually affect the setting in a meaningful way, rather than using isekai as an excuse to have a relatable/self insert MC.

OP here and I nearly got a stroke.

I know what it fucking means, the problem stems from OP that wants something trivial despite the entire act of transitioning into another world.

It's a reality bending trope for fantasy or virtual worlds.

>Give what OP wants in silver platter
>fuck you I got stroke
As expected OP just some bitchy ass motherfucker who always complains about anything.

Make up your mind faggot.

Or maybe he liked it so much he got a stroke

Becoming a pet for the summoner is my favorite type, especially if she's a cute pink haired loli.

Or a succubus

tsudenre got to hell

That's a big guy in the bottom right

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gtfo of my sight shiteater, lul

>There needs to be some sort of language barrier
>Wasting time with a language barrier
no this is the same as watching a character grind for a bunch of episodes
>There needs to be a reason why the mc was reincarnated/transported to the other world
nope

The pic he posted is ironically the opposite of what I said in the OP.

For a novel that has almost all your requirements, read Savage Divinity.
It's an original english novel, but it's damn good.
You'll find it on FictionGrill.

Tsuki ga Michibiku Isekai Douchuu creates a good divide due to language barrier but only for humanity.
There are also many web novels that have aimless wanderers, all OP as fuck though.

You might as well read Alice in Wonderland if you disagree.

>Opposite
Yeah right, you didn't even read it. It goes exactly as you want.

Just because you don't like the look of it, doesn't mean it just goes opposite. If you actually read it, it goes everything exactly what you describe in OP.

What? don't tell me you don't actually like what you described it yourself?
Lesson learned, faggot.

No, he never claims that he wants no magic and no heroes. What he wants isn't popular in Japan, but it isn't all that uncommon, particularly if you ignore language barrier (quite often explained by translating magic) and the reason for transportation.

>No ranking monsters or people by letters. Their actual feats must demostrate how dangerous they are.
Now look at the page that was posted.

inb4
>I was just pretending to be retarded

Quality posting, my friend.

Wow, what a picky entitled bitch you are.

I guess you need to check the OP and the page posted again because it gives plenty of information already.

What you want probably exists in proper Japanese novels, just not in LNs.

LNs are just stories written by amateurs, that are written as if they were anime/manga/vidya. Thus, Issekai LNs come off the way they are.

About the closest thing I can think of to that (the language barrier part always reminds me of it) is Eien no Aselia, although it has a harem (since it's a VN with character routes) and the MC is arguably overpowered (though not at the start).

I guess it's no coincidence that I've never encountered a serious isekai anime I liked as much as it.

Cut to the chase and and just write about how MC is fucking cute girls all day every day.

Not even him, but it is obvious that you are posting in hopes of "baiting" him, making him lose his time and making him angry.

On the same page I can see hat there is a demon lord and that the MC is owerpowered. I bet there is even some leveling in this shit.

No demon lord
MC learn his way to actually be competent, he's actually nor overpowered as it looks like.
And no leveling.

My point still stands.

HOW TO FIX ISEKAI:

Just make it fantasy without the resurrection shit.

You know what I want to see?

I want to anime realize that Fantasy does not mean Dragon Quest. Im sick of them trying to contextualize game mechanics

It's another one of these bullshit threads
>I want a good LN
>but with none of the writing styles, popular trends in this era or anime style characters

>wasn't demon lord only level S
Yeah, no demon lord at all.
>severely maims SSS with one shot
Yeah, not OP at all. Are they using reverse lettering scheme or what.

>No overpowered MC
Half-check, he's good but anybody could reach his level with time and possibly flight computer assistance
>There needs to be some sort of language barrier
Half-check, people are confused by his modern Japanese slang
>No skill trees or level up like jrpgs
Check
>No harem
No check at all whatsoever
>No Demon Lord has returned or whatever to destroy the world.
Check
>No ranking monsters or people by letters. Their actual feats must demostrate how dangerous they are.
Check
>There needs to be a reason why the mc was reincarnated/transported to the other world.
Check

So Muv-Luv is about 70% good then!

If the MC has to learn something as instrumental as language they should have grown up their.
It works in tensei and fantasy stories but not isekai. For isekai there is an interesting period where the MC has to get around despite knowing nothing of the world they're in, the disorientating feeling is usually the draw.

He still has stats and the skill system is still in play. Monsters are ranked by letters too. My point still stands too. But for your sake I'll give a read too.

Try ryuuroden

A vn? I'll put in my list to read/play

>No one read Honzuki no Gekokujou

It's about a book loving girl who died and woke up in the body of a cute loli in a peasant town. There are no books in the peasant town so she spends a lot of time trying to create her own reading and writing materials.

Yeah, if it was something popular in this era why would OP need to start a thread about it? Are you retarded? He hopes for something going against the current trends he dislikes.

>>I want a good LN
Yeah, you're right, OP is retarded, no LN can be considered "good".

Shilling this in hopes of someone picking up the scanlation.

The problem isn't the overpowered MC's by themselves. The problem is when the character faces no challenge.

Overlord, for example, has an incredibly overpowered MC. But Ainz still faces challenges, because he has to pretend to be the all knowing rulers of a dungeon populated by dark gods who absolutely adolize him. That makes it entertaining.

By comparison, Re:Monster. The MC is overpowered aaaaand... that's it. It's just chapter after chapter of how overpowered he is and how many women want his dick and how many new powers he gets every time he eats a cookie.

Bard isekai with MC charming everyone with video game music and J-pop songs rewritten when?

Do it user, just be wary that only the first two parts are on Steam, the final part which is the part everyone keeps raving about won't be out until early next year.

And remember that Meiya is the best harem member, but Mana is the best girl.

The "demon lord" is some dungeon boss that he apparently killed offscreen.

>Yeah, not OP at all
He started as a farmer, what more do you want

This would be entertaining

>MC teaches math at high school
>On a trip to countryside he and his class gets teleported to fantasy world
>Some assholes in class get the best job
>People do the rating when they're young so they can't rank him, thus he can't help them to save the world through fighting
>The king gives MC a job in the library
>Some of his students go their way while some still want his advice on the fantasy world since he's his teacher
>MC is actually a spy from a galactic mega corporation specialized in genetic and selling exotic goods
>MC makes contact with his superiors and they plan to send armies to conquer the fantasy world, extract magical plants and sell supernatural beasts ie dragons and the like
>The princess finds out and tries to stop him but gets lazer'd
>Space battleships arrive, shock troopers drop down to siege the castle and take the royal family as hostages
>The students and demon lord decide to cease fighting to deal with this otherworldly threat

You are just trying to trick him into reading NTR, admit it.

No fucking stats and skills. The west and old Japanese fantasy way.

Learning magic by reading magic grimoires, apprenticing with a magician. Learning archery by hunting/target practice. Learning melee fighting by sparring/gaining experience in real fights.

Alright, MC-kun, was a middle-aged Japanese accountant, who is lonely and often has to hire hookers to keep him from his crippling depression. He has no real willpower to change and his lack of enthusiasm keeps him from making friends. He keeps telling himself he'll try to make friends tomorow, but he keeps putting it off and secludes himself to TV, work, and porn. One day he travels to a mystical land of dragons and knights, by the work of a botched summoning spell from an evil witch try to summon a big bad from another world. MC-kun is shocked and awed as a paladin of this world holy guardian order slays the witch and captures his ass. He's found by an analysis group that he's not some evil demon and let him go. By himself he tries to remake himself into some sort of hero and try to fight some goblins, but after a close encounter he wusses out and goes to back to town ashamed of himself. He falls into deeper depression and becomes a beggar until he's picked up by a monk order to become a monk. His self esteem is only slightly raised, but he becomes jaded and miserable. He slaves away making books and copying them onto other paper. On the day of the actual plot, he starts to deliver his books to another temple across the wild demon grounds to a nation on the other side. The order has asked of some heroes to help him cross the demon lands where they adventure past wild beasts, manipulative demons, and the humans that survive there. His companions are an upbeat warrior bro, a shy magical priestess, and sly rogue. He will play the role of common sense and selfish interest in this gritty tale of walking past the suffering of others and fighting past the monsters in their path. He has no real power but his own human strength. No high school >Muh superior intellect here. Just raw perseverance, anger, and moral ambiguity. The only thing he cares about is his job(getting the books to the temple)and nothing else, not even his companions who suffer along the way.

>No overpowered MC
Irrelevant, what needs to be present now is some kind of reasonable and entertaining consistency with power levels. Weak MC's are boring to me as well. Seeing the same cycle of lose/win/lose/win or lose/get better is too and so so rep.
>There needs to be some sort of language barrier
agreed, that would be more interesting than immediately being able to speak a language that developed somewhere exotic.
>No skill trees or level up like jrpgs
Yeah it's a crutch for shit writers now
>No harem
I'd like a realistic harem one of these days with power struggles and DEVELOPMENT. Without it, it is repetitive and droll, therefore it has to go.
>No Demon Lord has returned or whatever to destroy the world.
another crutch
>No ranking monsters or people by letters.
Easy classification tbthf
> Their actual feats must demostrate how dangerous they are.
I don't get this one
>There needs to be a reason why the mc was reincarnated/transported to the other world.
There usually is one. The best reason was the hidden one in Fate/Zero for some time. Mystery is good in some doses.

Just fucking write low fantasy Jesus Christ. There's already a literary tradition for this sort of thing. You don't have to cock up some basterdized high fantasy to do it.

>the girl who got cucked so hard they had to make up a new term for it
>best
Nah son. Ayamine is perpetually the best. She's the only good girl in Extra and stays based as fuck throughout the other two parts.

>MC teaches math at high school
>On a trip to countryside he and his class gets teleported to fantasy world
>MC is actually a spy from a galactic mega corporation specialized in genetic and selling exotic goods
This is completely fucking stupid and random and makes no sense at all.
Here's the publishing contract, you're gonna be a millionaire son.

Act 1
>Generic useless NEET dies
>Gets resurrected in typical fantasy world.
>Starts as equally useless level 1 noob, gets thrown some scraps of equipment and told to hop on the nearest party and thrown into the meat grinder and dies.
>As he lays broken and bleeding on the cold floor, he thinks he shouldn't have wasted his normal life and begs to go home.

>He doesn't go home, he gets respawned but as a generic fodder monster this time. The first thing he sees is his monster mother getting brutally slaughtered by his old party. Dies again.
>Gets respawned again and again until he gets good enough to survive against adventurers. He is a Goblin now.
>Eventually finds other goblins, some are dumb as bricks but there a few that seem intelligent. Eventually forms a semi-peaceful community but have difficulty in communication.
>Goblins don't live for very long so he manages to create a common language and discovers that the intelligent goblins are the same type of Isekai people from other countries and time period, trapped in monster bodies because they died as adventurers.
>He reaches the end of his Goblin lifespan but manages to pass on to his little Goblinings the seeds of future knowledge. He respawns as an Orc or some higher level creature.
>This time, knowing that there are other people out there, he returns to his old Goblin village and gets hailed as Chieftien. Some of his intelligent friends have died but they were eventually found and integrated into the community
>There is now a thriving, multi-monster village with the dumb ones slowly learning and building their own culture over several generations.
>At the height of its success, a High-level adventurer party sweeps in and burns the whole village down and kills almost everybody that he loves. End of Act 1

Genjitsushugisha no Oukokukaizouki but instead of hero stays in the city creating reforms to save the country, eventually leads to idol project under guise of specialist recruitment. Cultural reforms become pretty big, especially after a war with the past military leaders that didn't approve his ascension by the old king.

Go back to /fit/, I don't need some shounenshit training montage in my stories.

No need for that if you go with a magician MC.

Isn't Final Fatasy X isekai? I thought the plot wasn't that bad.

>How to make anything good

Step 1:
Don't listen to some anonymous faggot on Cred Forums who has zero experience in the industry and is self-important enough to think people care about their opinions.

Step 2:
??????

Step 3:
PROFIT!

You're reading fucking isekai, you have no room to complain about shounenshit

>how to make writing good
good writing is a union of proper grammar, spelling, editing, and choices made with words in order to unfold a proper entertaining story. Its impossible, because everyone has different preferences. Your isekai that you like isn't that much different from japanese isekai, and they are amateurs.

Act 2
>Orc MC swears vengeance against the high-leveled party and starts hunting down other parties for information and to get stronger.
>Most adventurer parties are actually varying degrees of psychopaths and other RPG tropes. Orc MC has to descend to the most nefarious and darkest deeds to counter them solo.
>Becomes feared assassin and can counter almost any archtype. Eventually he learns dark magic and hunts down the party that burned his village.
>Lures them with a crazily elaborate trap that involves his own death as bait. When the leader of the party and him killed each other by mutual death blows, he removes his hood to reveal he is a lich now. Strangely the leader just smirks as he slides of the blade.
>Without a target, lich MC begins to gather his power-base and becomes the next Maou. Knowing that the adventures were something else, he sets his sights on conquering the human world to prevent monsters from being massacred. End of Act 2.

Just focus on the demons side of things
The Lazy King is one particular example...the MC is the demon lord of sloth and if you become a demon lord of a particular sin you become the embodiment of that sin. You cannot control your sin once you reach lord level.
Sloth lords are fucking lazy. Our main character doesn't even want to be this lazy, but he cannot help it. They are the most docile.
Gluttony lords eat everything, servants, soldiers, thrones, pebbles. I would argue that these demons are the most unstable.
Greed lords aren't shown a lot, but they are very quick to grab the thing they desire and have really really strong attachments to their possessions.
Wrath lords are supremely angry. It can be controlled but that still doesn't make them any less safer, those who have pent up rage are more deadlier then those who vent it frequently.
Envy lords...Envy is the sin that is the most obscure. No lords have been seen, and those mentioned weren't named (to my knowledge).
Pride Lords are extremely haughty. There are those who try to prove their superiority on any given moment through force or those who manipulate.
Lust lords aren't seen much...there was only one named but from what's seen of inferior lusts these guys must be extremely fucking horny and probably fuck a lot of demons.
It's downright chaotic.

>wow look at this guy power-reading
>he's reading all night, goddamn
>is he gonna ruin his eyesight and need glasses? find out next volume
If I wanted to see a guy wasting his whole life reading shit I'd install a camera in my room

You know there's that LN called Kouritsuchuu Madoushi, the MC is an old guy who studied hard to become one of the best mages in the kingdom. It starts with him reverting back to a 10 year old so he can skip school and learn magic by grinding mobs and going on adventures with his harem.

I imagine that the boss of the corporation is once an isekai hero, after he defeated the demon lord he got to return to his world, which he found out it had been 200 years or something and everyone he knew is dead, he couldn't get a new job since his ID is useless, however the crystals and stones he brought back with him gained a lot of interest from rich men.
After selling whatever he could the boss did his best to get back to the fantasy world and became a merchant, which turned into a disaster for the fantasy world as he hunted and mined down everything, with the huge profit and backup from governments and other shady organization the boss got his own private army with bleeding edge gears, he conquered the same world he saved and exploited it to the very last sand.
Figured out there would be more and more fantasy worlds like this the boss began to recruit agents from other dimensions through the portal magic ritual/tome. MC is one of them.

Experience in the industry doesn't help you write a god book, only a book that sells.

>How to make any reply good

Step 1 (wtf is this shit):
Don't act like a redditor on Cred Forums who says shit like "zero experience in the industry" like there is some kind of prestige and skill needed into writing Chinese dynasty warrior self inserts. Also, it helps to not post generic "other opinions don't matter; I do what I want eggy XD" and memes from 2011.

why is 'shounenshit' bad though? Because its boring fights? Because its not a story? Because you don't like it?
Either way you have to write to get good. Just because you don't like their choices doesn't mean anything.

Sumika is the best you dirty dirty shitter

Are you retarded? We would mostly see his adventures, ever read a Forgotten Realms book with a wizard MC? Something like that.

>being this new
>being this triggered
>that south park episode aired in 2011

Sure thing, kid. If your go to insult is leddit, you are only showing your new.

This thread is shit and no one gives a fuck what you think

Amen, troll war mistress never stops being good. Why can't I ditch Sumika and Meiya for her?

Easy. Stop making your specific isekai series like every other isekai series.

They all start out with some unique twist or something, and every time they abandon it a few chapters in and go either into a classic battle harem route or a revenge fantasy route.

This, Re:Zero answers all of the OP's conditions:

>No overpowered MC
check, his power is strong but quite flawed and has a strong psychological blowback.

>There needs to be some sort of language barrier
Check, Subaru can't read or write and many things are named differently.
>No skill trees or level up like jrpgs
check
>No harem
check. Emilia likes him but you can't put her in the harem category
>No Demon Lord has returned or whatever to destroy the world.
Check, Satella doesn't want to do any of that
>No ranking monsters or people by letters. Their actual feats must demostrate how dangerous they are.
Check
>There needs to be a reason why the mc was reincarnated/transported to the other world
Check, but ya know there's a reason in like half of all Isekais.

Another Isekai which does all these things even better than ReZero is 12 Kingdoms, I'd recommend OP and anyone else to check it out.

>We would mostly see his adventures
Are YOU retarded? If we just want to see an accomplished wizard going on adventures flinging fireballs why the fuck does it matter how he learnt his magic? Actually scratch that, leveling up and unlocking new spells by defeating enemies smoothly ties the action with his progression as a wizard, what's the point of a hero who has to stay holed up in Wizard University to get stronger whenever he's not fighting to save the world?

>ever read a Forgotten Realms book
I draw the line at isekai harem LNs, sorry.

All of the story is first person as the book is his account of the tale and he obviously lives through it.
Warrior bro is a knight who is trying to gain the attention of the paladins of witch hunters and be able to join their ranks and expand his family's nobility
Shy priestess is an orphan who was part of the order and taught healing magic as a pact deal with the order of paladins to increase favor-ability among the villagers and attract donors.
Rogue-kun had heavy charges levied against him from stealing from a caravan on it's way to town. Since the caravan was delivering goods that were connected with the temple, the temple decided to interrupt the jury proceedings against him and make him do this one job as a charge.

First arc is the transition from grassland to demon-scarred land. where they start a get to know each other around a campfire. MC-kun makes it clear he wants everyone to fuck off.

They come across the last trading post before they hit the wilds where they see patrols of suffering soldiers. MC-Kun in his monk gown riding on a horse and wagon is pandered to by a disabled beggar. Beggar is prominently told to fuck off. Warrior Bro, feels compassionate and gives some change to him. His companions are all disgusted or offset by his response.

Then they go into the wilds on the open, flat desert. And chance upon the battle site of humanities great stand against the demon hordes. This is where they fight some demon beast skelingtons (non-human). Shows a bit of combat and all. They get pretty beat up to their shock and dismay. They won, but it shows how hard it's going to be for the rest of the ride.

There's a plethora more to come, but for the most part the adventure all happens on the trip to the other side of this continent.

Can I get some (you)'s?

>No overpowered MC
Mushoku Tensei, Isekai Tensei Soudouki, Shieldbro... and a lot got around with this. MC isn't OP but gets stronger in progress.
>There needs to be some sort of language barrier
Tsuki ga Michibiku did this. And it's annoying as fuck.
>No skill trees or level up like jrpgs
A lot has done without this.
>No harem
Fuck off.
>No Demon Lord has returned or whatever to destroy the world.
This isn't even a common setting.
>No ranking monsters or people by letters.
See above.
>There needs to be a reason why the mc was reincarnated/transported to the other world.
Haven't read much are you?

It was atrocious. A better Isekai is Final Fantasy IX, and Tactics Advance

>anything can be worse than isekai harem LNs
Sure, pal.

>Are YOU retarded? If we just want to see an accomplished wizard going on adventures flinging fireballs why the fuck does it matter how he learnt his magic?
Because it's best when he's just a random adventurer that isn't too strong? And it's not too probable if he was granted some special snowflake powers by gods upon reincarnation like in your shit stories.

>No overpowered MC
Mushoku Tensei

>There needs to be some sort of language barrier

Only applied to tranposted setting, reincarnation setting shouldn't have a problem with this.

>No skill trees or level up like jrpgs
Mushoku Tensei

>No harem
Gay.

>No Demon Lord has returned or whatever to destroy the world.
Mushoku Tensei

>No ranking monsters or people by letters. Their actual feats must demostrate how dangerous they are.
Mushoku Tensei

>There needs to be a reason why the mc was reincarnated/transported to the other world.
Mushoku Tensei

Holy fuck this is a stupid ass thread.

If you don't like something watch something else instead, its far better than coming on Cred Forums and circlejerking each other.

Shit, OP described Re:Zero anyway, but insists Isekai is flawed. Not everything is going to be tailor-made how you like and if you polled Isekai watchers they probably like at least one of the things listed.

tl;dr: nothing is wrong with it, OP is just a faggot and he wants everyone to jerk him off over his ideas so he can feel better about his shit contrarian taste.

>Because it's best when he's just a random adventurer that isn't too strong? And it's not too probable if he was granted some special snowflake powers by gods upon reincarnation like in your shit stories.
Why is he the one adventuring and saving the world instead of his senior wizards at the university, then?

not even mad, m8.

Just delivering some b8nts. I listed several other complaints and insults if you want to read them, but user, you ignored them and just said I was leddit and could only come up with the insult of leddit.

I'll continue with this leddit though, because the memes and images you post are utter shit, like Cred Forums 5 years ago (and the memes were getting old then).
Where do you crossboard scum?

Yeah, no, Ayamine is too busy being le meme troll ANARCHY to be best girl. Spends 90% of Extra being infuriatingly impossible to hold even a basic conversation with, spends 90% of Unlimited ignoring squad cohesion and just doing whatever she wants.

>you ignored them and just said I was leddit

What? I never said that. You do realize that usually it is more than one user has replied to you, that is how the site works.

I recommend following the 'lurk 2 years before posting' rule, and do it right this time.

How about this then?

MC has the ability to use unfamiliar weapons at a high degree of skill, and has a sword which can partially nullify magical attacks. There are experts who outclass him in weapon skill alone, and magic beyond his ability to defend. And mages who have both. And people who decide they'll just shoot him with arrows rather than risk getting in close. And literal armies who can simply overpower him through numbers alone.

MC initially knows none of the local language, and his attempts to communicate in a strange language get on the nerves of others. After he manages to piss the tsundere off, she tries to silence him with magic, but the spell backfires and allows him to converse in the local language. It does not however translate written text for him, and the MC remains illiterate.

No skill trees or levels, just an elemental magic system. Spells are learnt through study or experimentation. Which spells you can learn depend on your elemental affinity.

Admittedly, there is a harem element, but there are only two girls who stand any serious chance.

No demon lord, just politics between medieval countries. The kingdom the MC is summoned to ends up at war, there are defections and false flag operations. Most of the foes the MC has to face are humans.

Only person in the series is ranked by number. The main character is somewhat puzzled at first, but after the frequent demonstrations of their ability (or lack thereof), quickly understands why.
There is a ranking system of based on shapes for identifying how adept at using magic people are in a very broad sense. However it only applies to magic, and implies nothing about competence or combat experience.

The reason behind MC's transportation is initially assumed to be the undefined behaviour of a failed summon spell reaching across universes, but the connection is later explained. No I'm not going to spoil you.

aka: Zero no Tsukaima

(You) took his position; therefore (You) get reply. It doesn't matter

Are (You) satisfied?

Act 3
>Thanks to the ground work laid by his goblins , the various monsters have advanced on par with humanity and be credibly united to stand againest them
>Some of the friends he made has respawned as high level monsters and they formed a psuedo-party againest the adventuers
>Just before his complete victory, a ridiculously OP party appeared before his castle and ROFL stomp his army.
>His friends sacrifice themselves to buy him time but its not enough and eventually he is cornered by the Hero
>He nukes the Hero's party with everything he has but by bullshit miracles, power of his Nakama and every god invoked, the Hero shrugs them off.
>World is a bloody wasteland now, he contemplates using his final blow-the-world up spell but decides againest it in the last moment. Sacrificing his phylamency instead, Lich MC attempts to do a possesion of the Hero.
>Predictably, the Hero seals himself away from the world and ends the Lich MC's threat. Lich MC's soul stops fighting with the Hero and attempts to negotiate with him for peace.
>Unexpectedly, it turns out he is the most fanatic and craziest of them all. Lich MC despairs and wishing that he could fix the world, he sacrifices his soul to seal the Hero for a long ass

>Lich MC respawns but this time as a Human adventurer again. He realises that every soul is trapped and only those that are psycopathic enough to choose to stay gets to become adventurers. Those that retain their humanity and hope for returning becomes monsters
>Knowing that he only has 1 chance to break this vicious cycle, he starts out to uncover the truth and a way to change it. End of Act 3, havent thought about how to end it yet

>being this analblasted

holy fuck you're pathetic. have fun circlejerking

Why can't he be a random adventurer that isn't too strong AND levels up from defeating enemies?
You realize the entire point of the level up system is to encourage characters to constantly face challenging, not-too-strong and not-too-weak opponents, right? It's literally the best solution.

Sorry reddit. You can go back anytime.

>No Demon Lord has returned or whatever to destroy the world.
>This isn't even a common setting.
It is though. Especially among the lower tier isekai stories whose authors want to get straight into things rather than think too much about the setting. You also see it in virtually all the isekai parodies.

You can see just see how the post quality drops as soon as a thread is centered around isekai.

It's okay twist to reincarnate as the monsters, but I don't like how you're using to much influence from games to justify the world and players. The heroes being evil is also stupid. and MC-kun becomes an assassin orc is where I definitely drop it and plot gets even worse. kill the story and start over again

>no harem
I hope you enjoy having 2 readers and 95 yen in your pocket.

>>MC teaches math at high school
>>On a trip to countryside he and his class gets teleported to fantasy world
>>Some assholes in class get the best job
>>People do the rating when they're young so they can't rank him, thus he can't help them to save the world through fighting
>>The king gives MC a job in the library
>>Some of his students go their way while some still want his advice on the fantasy world since he's his teacher
kinda shit, but if you tweak it a bit it could be nice

>MC is actually a spy from a galactic mega corporation specialized in genetic and selling exotic goods
And you just throw out that potential and take a huge shit on it

Do it more like Drifters.

Whoever gets isekai'd starts trying to tech-up the fantasy world and starts conquering shit with muskets.

I want to read this

Honestly, the best type of Isekai is shit like Konosuba, Re;Zero, or even Zero no Tsukaima if you can tolerate the tsun until the second-third season.

The important part is that it can't be generic, there has to be a mitigating element that not makes the protagonist not a Gary Stu, and there has to be a distinguishing element in the setting and tone that sets it apart from other Isekai.

Re Zero is shit.

user I would if I had a redrawer. The TL is demanding and wants the sfx to be completely redrawn.

>No skill trees or level up like jrpgs
This shit is the worst

What a prima donna.

>he doesn't want science vs magic which is too rare

I mean, it does fit into all the criteria, unless 2 girls is a harem.

Here's some. It could be done but you have to give the MC some very witty internal dialogue to make it work, like Kyon, otherwise it'll be flat. Also him not warming up to anyone is quite bad for character development

It was a good show. Nothing spectacular but stayed fun throughout unlike Shana which tapered off.

>that pic
HOW

It's the guy who's translating the WN but I really don't have the time to redraw. Cleaning and typesetting are fine by me though.

>spoiler
Although I forgot about the silencing magic incident, you already gave it away when you talked about number ranking

>Also him not warming up to anyone is quite bad for character development
uh, maybe he makes shy priestess girl his daughterfu. All his anger turns in to tsun when it comes to the priestess girl. Only reluctantly gives a fuck about the others because they become friends with priestess girl.

>Sorry Oniisama will never be translated
The teaser by Sheeprabbit is so intriguing

Honestly, that should be enough. Redraws are very nice, but when they're not practical, there's nothing wrong with just overlaying text.

with SPIDERS

Actually there have been a couple of updates the last couple of days, they're "better than nothing" tier.

that sounds boring. dropped.

How about a story where the MC and his friends are transported to the world of their favourite JRPG complete with all the game mechanics?

Hear me out, I can still check all the boxes with Log Horizon:

>No overpowered MC
Check. MC is one of the least effective characters in terms of combat ability. They are essentially a force multiplier, good for increasing the effectiveness of a group with crowd control and utility spells, but shit at 1v1. The MC's main strengths lie in negotiation.

>There needs to be some sort of language barrier
Kind of. Initially it appears there's no issue as all the main characters are Japanese, and it appears to be only Japanese there. Later its revealed people from all over the entire world were transported. Even then telepathy is limited by geography and acquaintance, so the MC physically can't talk with most of the people in the world. Communication is possible though when face to face, with a slight lag in talking to someone who doesn't speak your language however, as the auto translation isn't instant.

>No skill trees or level up like jrpgs
Technically there are, but since virtually every character is already at max level and has already learned all their skills, it may as well not matter.

>No harem
Check

>No Demon Lord has returned or whatever to destroy the world.
Check. In fact a lot of people end up depressed as they have no idea what the hell they're supposed to be doing now.

>No ranking monsters or people by letters. Their actual feats must demonstrate how dangerous they are.
Check, with the exception of a few underlevelled characters. Since if everyone has the same rank, there's no ranking system. It's the feats that the characters accomplish that demonstrate their ability.

>There needs to be a reason why the mc was reincarnated/transported to the other world.
Check. There is, it's just not fully revealed yet. The characters spend a long time trying to figure out why, and looking for clues.

>it's actual edited MTL
nothing is better

I think the biggest problem in the genre is that it takes focus on the cliche that happens in time travel/dimension travel stories: wish fulfillment.
Basically life in the "real"/original world sucked but suddenly everything is great as if the world they came to is tailor made for them.

At least time travel/dimension travel stories usually has the protagonist getting used to the new world, making mistakes and learning new things, but in isekai it's usually just the protagonist automatically becoming a master of the world's rules so they don't really experience anything new.

Its a triangle at best. And he explicitly rejected one of them. Especially when you consider that side of the triangle is now comatose, preventing any further romantic developments. There's no romantic interest between Subaru and any of the rest of the cast.

Perhaps you'd like to list the characters in Subaru's harem, since you are so adamant about its existence.

All I learned so far is that Cred Forums is worse than nobodies from narou at writing shit. Like, you guys are worse than Sakamoto666 and that guy basically plagiarized everything.

Re:Zero had serious potential I think because of the mechanic of Return by Death. Something like this should allow for a completely unforgiving world where the MC is forced to face the cruel reality that accompanies what should have been an oasis for them.

I still like Re:Zero a lot for how it plays with the time loop, but as much as Subaru gets shat on, it would have been much better if things were even harsher for him. It should have gone full dark souls.

Although, in the WN/LN the arch-bishops get pretty fucking powerful and just about nobody can do shit about them.

Yeah, but this particular TL likes to localise everything. There's nothing wrong with that but the effort involved would be phenomenal. I've never seen a full-sfx scanlation finish.

I never watched/read Re:Zero because it sounds like All You Need is Kill and I didn't like that so I probably won't like Re:Zero.

Is the life of the protagonist before coming to the fantasy world relevant to the story?
It sounds weird that after coming to a different world now he's also involved in time repetition shenanigans, like would it be any different if he was a native of that world or not.

How about Tatami Galaxy: Isekai edition?

Instead of different decisions in a certain point in the past, the protagonist is put into a different world in every loop, mecha world, magical girl world, generic jrpg world, but in the end he remains unsatisfied because the problem isn't the world he's in but himself.
It ends with him in the real world and just dealing with the fact that things won't be as he wants it to be and that's ok so he enjoys what he has instead of wishing things were different.

Read the novel, blastron updates like once every week.

Is there an isekai story whete MC is just plot device and revolves around the love interest?

Kind of. He's teleported together with his shopping bag and cellphone and they become recurring important plot devices. The very fact he's an otaku self-absorbed in living out his fantasy is pretty intrinsic to his character too. Also, if he were native to the world he would need to be from a far away country because the mismatched culture and not belonging anywhere play an important part.

Part of its weakness is that Subaru is very quickly introduced before being transported to the fantasy world. He is essentially just described as a guy in his late teens who lives the NEET lifestyle, so you're sort of left to assume a lot about him based on tropes/archetype. It seems like he'd be antisocial or have some sort of social anxiety considering his prior lifestyle, too, but for some reason he's really bold and sociable as a character.

Later in the show, during a monologue in which he lashes out based on frustration with having to deal with shit alone and having nobody who understands him, he kind of says some things which relate to his past lifestyle and justify some character traits/decisions.

What about one where the MC reincarnates as a member of another character's harem?

I'm currently watching KonoSuba, and I know it's supposed to be comically over-the-top in some ways, but I can't get over how fucking one-dimensional the characters are. Does the show gain any depth or should I just drop it if I'm not already satisfied?

Do you know what needs to happen? Different mythologies and folklore. I would really like it if there was an anime or an LN based on slavic folklore. Water of Life, golden apples, giants, that kinda stuff.

>At least time travel/dimension travel stories usually has the protagonist getting used to the new world, making mistakes and learning new things, but in isekai it's usually just the protagonist automatically becoming a master of the world's rules so they don't really experience anything new.
Uh, isekai just means "another world", it's effectively a synonym for dimension travel.

They're never going to be deep, it's not that kind of show, it's not a character drama. It's like asking for Excel saga to be serious for longer than 5 seconds.

Ensemble cast with no central main character.

Isn't that kind of like magical shopping arcade abenobashi

>How to make Isekai good
Don't write isekai.

It's not complicated.

Isekai is just a plot device, you can write a good plot that uses it if you discard the other elements that make it trash like RPG elements.

Or perhaps you could discard the isekai elements and make a world with RPG stats.

Though that later develops into the deconstruction of the RPG elements sometimes.

Who's the qt3.14?

danbooru.donmai.us/posts/691989

>Or perhaps you could discard the isekai elements and make a world with RPG stats.
So Danmachi?

Jesus fucking christ, your standards are so low. Just not being a Gary Stu and having a minor difference or two isn't enough, isekai is fantasy at heart and there's no excuse for it to not have good world building, character development and plot.

Go watch Twelve Kingdoms and maybe you'll see how hopelessly short those series fall compared to a good isekai.

Nah, all a piece of entertainment has to be is entertaining, as long as it succeeds in that I can forgive all flaws.

Was talking mostly about lvl999 villager

That's the very definition of low standards, like the other user just said.

I'd rather not spend 24/7 bitching about how there's nothing good in the world except my golden geese.

Actually, the key to a story is very simple.

The MC must suffer in an interesting way. It doesn't have to be over-the-top or ludicrous. Eien no Aselia is a good example: The protagonist is powerful, but he's a slave soldier. Ultimately, he's fighting for a cause he's been press-ganged into.

You need to avoid the stupid power-up loops, the harem, and the lack of challenge. The story must always feel tense as fuck, with violent and unpredictable twists. We want to savor the main character's agony, too.

There is literally nothing wrong with anything you've listed there.

You seem to have a misconception that some ideas are always inherently "bad" (read: too common) and some are always inherently good (read: your personal favorites) and taking away the "bad" ones will automatically make a genre better.
But what actually matters is execution.
There are just as many mediocre writers whose kneejerk response is to steer away from every cliche they can think of without realizing that those cliches are common in the first place because they work and people enjoy good executions of them, and replace them with an alternative that they believe is "superior" merely because it's less common, without really examining whether it actually improves their story. Hell, some web novels, as on the nose and blatant as they are, try to advertise their oh-so-unique "subversions" of the genre in their fucking titles, i.e. something like "No Harem, No Cheat Skill, No Magic! This Other World Reincarnation is a Scam!", and then proceed to write the most drab and dull slice of life where nothing fucking happens because they never really realized that you need some alternative hook to draw in the reader and keep their interest if you rip out all the existing traditional ones.

tl;dr Don't think just avoiding "cliches" makes a story automatically better.

>Twelve Kingdoms
Do you hipsters not know how to cite anything else other than this and A Connecticut Yankee in King Arthur's Court when disparaging modern isekai?

It's never, ever fucking played straight anymore.

Either the Demon Lord is actually a retarded fuckup who is never taken seriously by the main character or she (face it, it's always a girl in these instances) actually dindu nuffin and it's the humans that are being all bad and hateful by not trying to UNDERSTAND the demons who really just want to live their lives out in peace!

I can explain it pretty simply.

What's good is something like Re: Zero, except the protagonist isn't a retard. Or Shield Hero's first chapters, with the dickery of other people toned down a bit.

There. That's your very basic isekai plot. Have the protagonists struggle to accomplish stuff, and don't give them an infinite power-up loop. Also, don't make every girl fall over themselves to suck their cock.

Give them competition, basically. Something like being summoned to another world with RPG stats can work, if - for instance - the protagonist is a member of the Hero's party. You need SOMEthing to make it stand out.

I ignore him by this point, it's always the same guy.

>inb4gayend

Fuck that garbage.

I want more silly isekaishit.

>What's good is something like Re: Zero, except the protagonist isn't a retard
>any protagonist who isn't a calm, collected, rational thinker who can objectively analyze situations at all times and take the best course of action without letting their silly emotions get in the way like I am is a retard

Pretty much this desu senpai

He doesn't have to be cool and controlled, he just has to not be a moron. It's like how Subaru just spouts memes nonstop in the original Re: Zero novels, and does stupid poses and the like.

Shit, man. A rule of thumb is: If your protagonist acts more retarded than your average Cred Forums-non, it's too retarded.

So Macross: Isekai Edition?
Hell, why ISN'T Isekai Macross a thing?
The closest we have is fucking Outbreak Company where they weaponize otaku culture to take over the fantasy world but that's about general otaku culture rather than idol music specifically.

Send a crazy nuclear scientist to another world.

How to make isekai good
Just delete this genre

>Or shieldbro's first chapters with the dickery of other people toned down a bit
I would have loved naofumi's descent into anger been a less abrupt than being framed of rape and being robbed of all he owns in the first days of his summoning

You know what's worse than isekai?

Those fucking chink and gook VRMMO novels where the MC dies and awakens to find himself transported back several years in time.

Then, instead of taking advantage of this fucking miracle that he could exploit in a myriad number of ways, he opts to spend all his time playing more VRMMO, except this time he'll do it "optimally" and "without regrets".

How fucking pathetic do you have to be for your number one priority upon being transported back in time to be playing more fucking VRMMOs?

>Ctrl+F Outbreak Company
>1 result
At least someone didnt forget that gem. Fits all on what OP wanted.

You know what would have been really good?

Maybe last time, the Shield Hero went bad. It would've been a golden age, but that one faggot fucked everything. The three Heroes banded together one last time to stop him, and it was basically the Apocalypse.

Also, make Naofumi be all pissed that the other boys are doing much, much better than him. I'd probably make Ranpha attracted to Spear Guy, because a handsome dude who's gormlessly charming is - in fact- more attractive than a sullen, cynical dude who complains a lot.

Hit the readers where it fucking hurts.

Throw the MC into a REAL game that he has absolutely no experience in like Real Time Strategy and watch him fail until he learns proper build orders and micro.

Only hardcore. Only RTS.

/thread

Isekai as a genre wasn't always like this. It seems that after Mushoku Tensei we are getting a lot of Isekai where the MC gets granted advantages no other character enjoys right from the get go and every problem can be solved by force. Twelve Kingdoms and pic related did not come with a MC who has all the tools at their disposal, and even when they do have the power to achieve their objectives there are a lot of things they couldn't fix just from being stronger. Yoko needs to understand herself as well as the world so she can become a capable queen and Shu needs to face the harsh reality that he is in before he powers on through. I haven't seen Magic Knight Rayearth but I also hear that it was more than "BE OVERPOWERED, DEFEAT ENEMY, END". There's a severe lack of emotional components for the current generation of Isekais.

That said, it's still possible to have an overpowered MC without an emotional coaster ride and still make it good. Isekai no Seikishi is a perfect example. MC's stu-ness isn't the focus of the show, the world setting is wonderful and the harem cast is complements each other very well.

Your "must" and "need" reek of someone trying too hard. What "key to a story"? That's not needed at all. You're being hardheaded.

What a story needs to be, is to be written well. Someone suffering or being challenged can be written well, but it does not mean the story is good just because it has that.

A story should be compelling. That's it. How can the story be compelling? Who knows. It's not something you can really capture in words and is wholly dependent upon the writer's own sense of aesthetics. If the writer can then manage to hold the interest of a sizeable number of his readers, that's when you can say the story is compelling.

Most of the points OP listed here
Are wrong. No overpowered MC? There needs to be a language barrier? Bah. Stupid. These aren't bad things on their own. The one point I can say is wholly, completely, unquestionably correct is
>Their actual feats must demostrate how dangerous they are.
Ranking stuff by letters is fine, but a big problem in a number of stories is the people and threats being all talk, no substance. These things need to be actually backed up by the story itself, otherwise, the writer is simply focusing too much on showing off how "awesome" and "cool" a character is rather than making the setting feel organic and true. Too many times has an "S class" been introduced in a story, only for many of its members to fall behind the actual strength associated with the prestige of the position simply to make certain characters look better (or "jobbing", as it is known).

They're gooks and chinks, for them if you lose at Starcraft2 you lose your heritage and the right to be alive in the territory, of course if they're doing a novel about someone locked in a video game he's not going to enjoy the video game

Would you believe me that is actually a thing? The spear her spinoff WN, is a collection of what ifs, answering those questions and more. A story full of anguish and insanity that the author probably made in revenge for being cucked out of his depressive ending.

want me to tell you more?

An overpowered MC is generally bad because it's really difficult to write anything interesting for him.

It's like how Overlord - which isn't as bad as most of the works - has the problem of the protagonist facing very little challenges. And having incredibly loyal minions, none of whom suspect that the Boss is acting strangely.

Hot. What happens?

>hurr why is all modern isekai about overpowered protagonists
>the most popular isekai series right now are fucking Konosuba and Re:Zero

No. Fuck off.

Like every garbage in the world, all a story needs to be at the end of the day is well-written. The shit you listed might be symptoms of shit writing but it's what the writers do with it that dictates whether they compliment the story or not.

The reincarnation stories always struck me as a weird kind of pathetic. Like, how lonely and sad do you have to be to think "Man, if only I could live my life all over again? I'll autistically train to become the strongest!"

Does anyone not realize how insanely creepy a child acting like an adult would be? People would think you were possessed.

What about the one where this guy becomes a Nazi loli in magical WWI? Why bother with her secretly being a middle-aged man? Why not just write a fantasy story about the Nazi loli?

Is this like that Street Fighter RPG, where one of the fighters (a big burly man) actually has the soul of a little girl transplanted into him?

And they won't be popular anymore when they animate other Isekai LNs, a majority of which do have the symptoms I describe.

>What about the one where this guy becomes a Nazi loli in magical WWI? Why bother with her secretly being a middle-aged man? Why not just write a fantasy story about the Nazi loli?
Because of
>how insanely creepy a child acting like an adult
is made use of

I was thinking of the typical Isekai where you go from being a NEET to some Adventurer that murders dozens of monsters per adventurer. Even if the monsters were evil and deserved it, no NEET can constantly be looking them in the eye and shanking them. What's more if they have some sort of rudimentary culture or tribe and they go out of the way to invade their lair and murder them.

So I was thinking of a purgatory scenario where all the wannabes Isekai people reincarnate constantly into when they die. The typical NEET will usually pretty much die instantly because they don't get some OP ability just because they died once. The player characters who do survive would either be really competent people or already bloodthirsty people that gets a chance to go nuts in a world where you can still get rewarded for killing things.

I admit that other than the setting, I haven't thought about it much rather than exploring the Monster side of the Isekai and seeing if you can be a good guy Maou like in Overlord but since I'm not an LN author or Manga artist, it'll probably never see the light of day.

Just make it edgy as fuck with a OP MC who gores shit to death.

>An overpowered MC is generally bad because it's really difficult to write anything interesting for him.
That just means the writer has a lack of imagination.

An MC that is grievously overpowered in a physical sense may be challenged by situations that he can't simply brute force his way through. This has been the basis of dozens of critically lauded Superman stories through the ages, for example. It can also be played as source of comedy like in Evil God Average, where the source of conflict is more social and the MC's obscene powers (in multiple senses of the word) merely get in the way of her desire to simply live a quiet life. Or you could have a character whose incredible powers are limited by their incredibly low intelligence, like Aqua. Point is, a character with incredible abilities in one category can still be challenged in another.

Of course, if you mean "overpowered" in the sense that the MC is high-spec in ALL categories, things become more dicey. The unfortunate reality is that those wish-fulfillment MC who can vanquish a greater fire dragon with a single blow and have a gaggle of girls desperately lusting for his dick also tend to be impossibly charismatic and intelligent, etc. even if the author makes a weak attempt at downplaying them and their ability to breeze through life's challenges rolling d20's on every fucking skill check.

So in the end game, Naofum,i Ren and Motoyasu get killed and by miracle they get sent to their worlds safely. They all eventually get back to the other world and finish the job. But Motoyasu took the longest, since he had a spear that let him jump back in time to the moment of the heroe's summoning with his levels and insanity intact. He fucks around trying to find firo, who hasn't yet been born at that place in time, unwittingly fucking up major events, sometimes for the worse. In some timelines, naofumi doesnt fall into disgrace, but he ends up naive and unable to fend for himself unless motoyasu babysits him. In other timelines, they take off to other countries and interact with people there. Due to fucking with the timeline, the fates of some people change. Mostly Raphtalia since naofumi getting betrayed was essential for her to be able to meet him. Speaking of Raphtalia, she was sent to retrieve motoyasu, but since she ALSO gets affected by the resets, she ends up in her loli body at the slave dealer's each time. In most timelines she gets either killed, cucked or both. And it's always because of motoyasu's fault

In one particular timeline, Motoyasu lets the events play out as they should be while helping them out in secret. Come the time of the duel, Raphtalia had taken notice of this and doesn't slap him or denounce him like she did in the original timeline. Because of this, Naofumi gets up and awakens ALMOST all of the Wrath series shields. Incinerating most of the people present in the duel, and leaving trash, the bitch and the heroes severely injured. And finally, he burns Raphtalia alive, I think he also turned the whole country of melromarc into a flaming crater, or just the castle. Anyway, that's just one of the things that could have gone wrong that are explored in the spinoff

>No overpowered MC
In order to break the common sense of the world, "OP" MC is a must, user-kun.

>No overpowered MC
I'd prefer that over pretending that a struggle exists
>There needs to be some sort of language barrier
Complete waste of time that doesn't add a thing
>No skill trees or level up like jrpgs
then how do you do progression using little in-universe time?
>No harem
No sales
>No Demon Lord has returned or whatever to destroy the world.
So why should the protagonist do anything then?
>No ranking monsters or people by letters. Their actual feats must demostrate how dangerous they are.
see point about language
>There needs to be a reason why the mc was reincarnated/transported to the other world.
fair

comic book critics don't know anything.

While not an isekai series, I think Gesselschaft Blume uses the RPG framework very well.

Just make it grimdark.

>how do we fix x
>just make it pander to me and my tastes
Might as well not have bothered with typing anything out.

I was expecting her stare to be a bit more grimacing or angry. but this looks okay too.

why not make the protagonist a natural denizen of the world who suddenly gets everything flip-turned upside down when some person from another world influences their life / their world altogether
this is probably already a thing

>No overpowered MC
Aside for the goddamn indestructible stick, check.
>There needs to be some sort of language barrier
Not sure, it's been a while since I've watched this
>No skill trees or level up like jrpgs
check
>No harem
check
>No Demon Lord has returned or whatever to destroy the world.
check
>No ranking monsters or people by letters. Their actual feats must demostrate how dangerous they are.
check
>There needs to be a reason why the mc was reincarnated/transported to the other world.
check

Here OP, I've found you a great Isekai anime.

user are you there?

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Nah, you found pointlessly edgy nonsense that had nothing to say and had it out for the viewer.

Why does the MC have to break the common sense of the world?

can you show us where the Isekai touched you?

>MC constantly talks about how things will be daijobu
>LITERALLY NOTHING IS DAIJOBU EVER

what a little lying shit

Where would something like Wonderful Wizard of Oz fit in? It has the basic "protagonist is transported to another, strange world" aspect, but is kinda lacking on the power fantasy, transferable knowledge/skill set, and harem fronts.

welcome to reality.

You know what really grinds my gears?

When the author writes an MC that constantly insists that his actions are "simply the common sense of a modern Japanese person."

And then writes all the other characters gagging themselves on his cock balls-deep for simply acting like a "modern Japanese person".

The demi-human slave girl will be in utter shock that he treats her with dignity despite being a slave and doesn't look down on her for being a demi-human either. She'll rave on and on about how magnanimous the MC is and how she couldn't possibly deserve such kindness. Of course, she'll be madly in love with him as well. Meanwhile the MC will sheepishly dismiss her praise and privately remark that he just did as "any Japanese person" would and comment on how backwards and barbaric this society must be in comparison.

The princess of the kingdom will be incredibly refreshed by how he ignores the social norms of the land and casually talks to her like he would any other person. Perhaps an especially hot-headed noble will bellow "YOU DARE APPROACH HIME-SAMA, DESPITE BEING A MERE COMMONER?!" but the princess will take the MC's side and harshly chastise the noble for speaking out of line, and then go back to fellating the MC for being oh-so-interesting despite the MC "just acting like any Japanese person would".

Or maybe the MC will casually introduce a few minor conveniences of Japanese life which will cause any character present to widen their eyes and exclaim how the MC always has such innovative ideas that nobody else could think of. Perhaps the MC will carry his daily lunch in a square ceramic box lined with dividers to separate each food item, tied up neatly in a decorative cloth. How quaint! How convenient! Or maybe write his documents with a graphite and rubber writing tool. My! What an incredible invention! To be able to "erase" your writing in the case of mistakes at a moment's notice? Absolutely splendid! You absolutely must sell this idea to me at once!

>hey I know you were raped and all
>and now you have a rape baby in your belly
>BUT EVERYTHING IS GONNA BE DAIJOBU. YOU JUST GOTTA PUT YOUR CHIN UP AND SMILE!

Season 2 fucking when? This series had the most polarized reviews on it, either you hated it or loved it

How about this isekai
>bunch of kids transported to a world without human, just monsters
>the kids befriend the local docile monsters
>help monster to defend their world
>travel around the world with friends and monsters to find a way to get home
>Opening song by Wada Kouji

Sounds a lot like colonial attitudes of inherent superiority of the European man and the European sensibility from the imperial era.

It's a very good example of an Isekai made right. I really liked how there were people that were happy that they got trapped since playing that game was the only thing they would do while others got depressed. Also the background episodes of Akatsuki and Shiroe was excellent.

S3 when? ;_;

Did is sell well in Japan? There is also that scandal with the author, about his tax evasion iirc.

Dead men sing no songs.

One stark difference is the topic of religion though.

In any isekai series with religion the MC will smugly lord over the local inhabitants with their superior atheism borne of Japanese sensibilities, probably while knowing the truth behind said religion as well. Ah, but don't misunderstand! It's not like they intend on forcing their beliefs on others! Wouldn't that make them just as bad as those corrupt religious leaders? Nn... in the end, it's best not to provoke the wrath of those in power, right? After all, Japanese are a peace-loving people! Conflict is bad! Let's all get along! Yup!

That doesn't sound very Japanese tho.

This is more something some shitty american genreshit author would write

It is, sort of.

the thing about the show that probably pissed me (and i think most people) off the most is the ending
the last frame specifically

it's literally saying
>NO TIME PASSED IN THE REAL WORLD
>NOTHING ACTUALLY HAPPENED BECAUSE IT'S THE FUTURE
>NONE OF THAT ACTUALLY MATTERED IN THE END LOL

like, what the fuck?
is that the message of the show?
your actions, good or bad, right or wrong, can always amount to fucking nothing in the end no matter how hard you try?

>No overpowered MC
No, a well written OP MC is the best thing ever
>There needs to be some sort of language barrier
Agreed
>No skill trees or level up like jrpgs
No, skill trees and level up are fun and it's easier to see the progression of a character with these, the problem is when the protag gain a gorillion skills that allows him to do everything at anytime
>No harem
There is no problem with a harem if it's well-written
>No Demon Lord has returned or whatever to destroy the world.
Why? It may be used a lot but that alone isn't a bad thing
>No ranking monsters or people by letters. Their actual feats must demostrate how dangerous they are.
Their actual feats are what gives them ranks dude.Also what how is it different from a ranking with numbers?
>There needs to be a reason why the mc was reincarnated/transported to the other world.
You can make it a plot point but it isn't really necessary, people read isekai stories mainly to see how well the transported person(s) do in their new world.

BooBoo is best boy.

If you're going to go that far then this also counts.

How about this isekai
>kid gets transported to a world inhabited by colorful bipedal animals
>they go fast

It sounds like something shitty genreshit authors of any nationality would write.

Nationalist wanking is a universal thing.

Not Isekai.

It doesn't sound Japanese, though.

Boo Boo is pure, but Detective and Illness Magic User are tied for best boy.
I thought Danmachi was just fantasy?

Thing is, he didn't really have much power or influence to change anything, hence why he mostly seemed to be an observer.

The world was fucked anyway, since the sun was beginning to go nova which added to the futility to it.

I suppose the message we can take from it is even10 billion years in the future, humanity is still capable of being inhuman

>Russian NEET gets transported to Gensokyo
>constantly makes snide remarks at their watered down alcohol
>teaches them how to make vodka

Danmachi is just fantasy, yeah, unless you count all the gods going on vacation as isekai.

...

>greek gods in a fantasy world

Instead of having the average japanese teen go to the isekai world you have the gods go.

You know, the onis would like it as would every other drunkard there.

Guys. How about this. MC transported to a different world only to become God of that world. It's later revealed that one of his best friend has been transported there to become a Hero. And another one of his best friend had also been transported there to become "Demon Lord" because the human society and their heroes has been suppressing the "demons" who only wants to live in peace and harmony with the humans. MC can only help them indirectly and never approach them.

What's going on in this thread?

Harem aside, Muv-Luv Alternative and Eien no Aslia fit.

I tried making my own Isekai one time. It was fun but then my computer died and I lost it.

Sage for blogposting.

If that counted the Blood Sign would count as isekai, seems like a bit of a stretch regardless.

Repost this thread on /lit/ under a title "How to write a boring LN no one will read"

>this is probably already a thing
yeah it is

>there has to be actual struggles for the mc
Oh fuck you. If I wanted struggles I would just go outside. There's no bloody reason to make every single story out there an edgy drama. Let me at least enjoy an easy life by self-inserting as the mc for once.

How slothful.

>There is also that scandal with the author, about his tax evasion iirc.
That was ridiculous. He got caught the previous year, and they let him off with a warning. So he did it again and got arrested. What was he thinking?

The story doesn't have to be edgy or even dramatic, but having no struggles is pretty fucking dull.

>Apparently this world still has slavery. At the end of the day, this society has a different logic than Japan's, huh.
>Even so! Even if you tell me that, I just can't accept that humans are property!
>Ah, but there are elf and demihuman slaves too.

>No overpowered MC

MC is just a plain, poorfag 20-something neckbeard named Paul

>There needs to be some sort of language
barrier

MC is a white dude transported to ancient Rome

>No skill trees or level up like jrpgs
>No harem
>No Demon Lord has returned or whatever to destroy the world.
>No ranking monsters or people by letters

MC new world is the real, historical, ancient Roman Empire

>There needs to be a reason why the mc was reincarnated/transported to the other world.

MC got recruited to the Roman army to exterminate christians, and thus the adventure of Paul of Tarsus begins.

Digimon, but with swords and sorcery

Hans is much more interesting just because it more how the Hans has to deal with these japanese people

>What was he thinking?
"No way?! My cheat skill, the reliable indestructible partner was soundly defeated! Just how strong is this National Tax Agency?! This is past bonus boss level! It's a cheat boss! Seriously, what's with this shit reality? Isn't the game balance too strange? Expecting me to fight the enemy while defending myself against at the same time?! No matter how you look at it, isn't that just impossible?! Aaah, I want to quit! At this rate, I'll be afflicted with status and it really will be the end! Eh, don't tell me, I've already been ?! No way! Just when did I trip the bad end flag?"

>Lawyers sure are convenient, huh?

>MC has very high power ceiling and a strong weapon, but initially he's outskilled as fuck by pretty much everything
>language barrier - MC actually has to learn a new language
>RPG system is present since it's a game, but completely absent in narration; power-ups explained as training sessions with more skilled individuals
>unfortunately, harem
>no demon lord
>ranking by numbers, but in many situations it doesn't mean jack shit
>explained why MC is transported to another world
Aselia confirmed for pretty good Isekai.

That's not what Isekai means.
The core feature of Isekai is that the protagonist is sent to a different world.

>No Demon Lord has returned or whatever to destroy the world.

Why not?

I agree with everything else.

That's why Twelve KIngdoms is so good.

three kingdoms are enough.

Grimgar has bad writing in the characterization part.

>No ranking monsters or people by letters. Their actual feats must demostrate how dangerous they are.
>Mushoku Tensei
user the guild has ranking of the missions, monsters and guildies with letters. At least S is the top and there is no retardation SS or SSS.

>TL;DR Everyone is retarded except the mc

Yeah, this is my problem with most of isekai shit.

MC whose actions resemble those of a real person and they don't become the center of the world within the first 30 minutes of being there

To be fair, that's common in more than just isekai.

Absolutely disgusting.

how the fuck do the Roman army can summon someone from the future and why would they summon a poorfag 20-something?

Try looking to the first post in the chain-
>why not make the protagonist a natural denizen of the world who suddenly gets everything flip-turned upside down when some person from another world influences their life / their world altogether

The glove fits.

World of STR

Counter shill here.

It went absolutely nowhere and it ended up just a big Mary Sue show for the MC.

>>Most adventurer parties are actually varying degrees of psychopaths and other RPG tropes

Wew edgy

Digimon Adventure was an iseikai and i see no problem

That worked out so well in Sao right?

>No overpowered MC
He's definitely at the higher tier, but he's just one guy and he's limited in what he can achieve solo.
>There needs to be some sort of language barrier
They all speak Japanese because the other world is just an alternative history Japan, but some of the terms and slang they use are unfamiliar to each other, and there is a significant cultural gap.
>No skill trees or level up like jrpgs
Absolutely not.
>No harem
There is a harem, but when all is said and done he could only stick with one particular girl in the end. In fact, that was his whole purpose.
>No Demon Lord has returned or whatever to destroy the world.
It's not a return, this is the first ever invasion, and there is no Demon Lord.
>No ranking monsters or people by letters. Their actual feats must demonstrate how dangerous they are.
Well, there's military rankings. But Lieutenants can be more dangerous than Majors.
>There needs to be a reason why the mc was reincarnated/transported to the other world.
There's a pretty good reason.

So Muv-Luv Alternative makes the cut, then?

Yuri harems exist.

but the lack of originality and abuse of cliche and tropes of the "genre" on the lasts years is a real problem

The way to fix isekai is to have good writers. There is nothing inherently wrong in anything OP says but they have to be interesting and reasonable.

No, you can write the most cliche thing ever and it wouldn't matter as long as the writing is good, cliches are cliches for a damned good reason.

Nigger a series could be devoid of tropes but if the writer is garbage then story is garbage.

Execution always trumps originality.

>the abuse of cliches is good
wew

>NEET MC that does nothing but sit around, eat snacks, and play video games until family members snap and throw them out of the house to become a productive member of society
>gets transported to a parallel world instead
>MC gets a super special cheat skill right off the bat that only two other people in the world have
>said skill enables them to continue to be a worthless NEET
>character flaws only get worse because everybody enables them
Is Neptunia Victory the worst kind of isekai?

Comedy.

I think the reason why Konosuba was fucking great because it was hilarious to watch while it had a okay story to watch.

They just need to not take themselves seriously.

>No harem
Dropped.

execution>originality

WN were a mistake

Would it still be Isekai if the MC is from the universe that people are summoned to?

>MC is a mage in training
>Not all that powerfull compared to the asshole royals who have fucking awesoME MANA FUCK!
>MC wastes his time in his personal study one day playing with rune circles
>By some accident makes a spatial switch anchor, and trades a chunk of the room with a corresponding space from somewhere
>MC has now summoned some people from earth
>Not sure how to deal with the now angry teenagers and adults that are screaming about going back he tells them some shit that should get them to chill
>''W-Welcome heroes?''
>The summoned people are idiots and think they're actually heroes
>They end up causing trouble with a foreign dignitairy and spark a war with the neigboring country
>MC is blamed for all the shit that starts going down by the 'heroes' and is forced to fight on the frontlines
>While MC survives a bunch of shit the summoned people gain power in various ways
>magic, friends in high places, marrying into the royal family and such
>All the heroes do is cause more problems and MC is always forced to help solve it all, because it's his fault that they are there in the first place

>No overpowered MC
>No harem

Seikishi Monogatari, El Hazard, Escaflowne, 12 Kingdoms, Magic Knight Rayearth.

All the good isekai have one simple and obvious thing in common, WORLD BUILDING, doesn't matter the rest as long as it has an interesting world building Isekai is worth.

So to make it good the only thing you need is not setting them in generic RPG world

Too bad it sucks.

Too much of a martyr complex, again. Same shit as in Shield Hero and Dungeon Seeker.

Try giving it a more even-handed look.

>I'm just gonna shill my favorite isekai

>You know there's that LN called Kouritsuchuu Madoushi, the MC is an old guy who studied hard to become one of the best mages in the kingdom. It starts with him reverting back to a 10 year old so he can skip school and learn magic by grinding mobs and going on adventures with his harem.

Sounds stupid

Edgy as fuck.

Re:zero fulfills most of these already

MC is 2edgy4me. Would not read.

>MC isn't OP

Hahahahahaha, that's a funny joke, user.

No isekai MC will ever be as badass as Marche, Denier of Delusions, Defiler of the Law, Destroyer of Hopes and Dreams.

>rezero

>Rudy is not overpowered

This is what Mushitkofags believe

Merchant May is not for sexual, stop this

>all these shitty ideas

You faggots can't write for shit either.

I'll just read pic related for my musket fix.

So are you telling me that you only have read the firsts volumes?

that's why web novels are so awful in general, this kind of things should not be allowed

Why don't you write your own, then?

Rudy is a jobber.

>People shouldn't be allowed to publish their amateur works online for free.
>People shouldn't be allowed to have writing as a hobby.
Don't be mean, user.

So he's not op? What a waste of time then, dropping it.

I want to see her start a store in Saints Haven, fail, and have to survive by prostituting herself to adventurers.

His wives are better desu

Just goes to show that OP doesn't actually know what will make the genre good.

Just fucking transfer MC to the future or anything that isn't medieval low fantasy rpg world.

Sounds underwhelming

Few decent ideas won't save the show if the plot is just boring and characters are flat.

So, barring the harem bit, you want GATE?

I never quoted Mark Twain's work though.

Shame. There are only like five people on Cred Forums who read 12k.

Agreed.

Which is why I'm having a blast playing Dragon Quest now.

More details on the cucking part

I've read 12 Kingdoms and you don't see me acting as a telemarketer to people that ain't buying what I'm selling.

I've watched the anime, its one of my favs.

Anyone reading Sevens? Merchants are going to get BTFO next chapter.

That would be delicious.

Never heard of it, link for the lazy?

Good fantasy, starts out slow but picks up around the ninth volume.

yoraikun.wordpress.com/7s-chapters/

Except for the language part, Kenkyo Kenjitsu fits this. It's not what OP is after, though.

I agree with everything but
>There needs to be a reason why the mc was reincarnated/transported to the other world.
MC needs to be just another purposeless faggot in the world.
If he builds himself to OPdom, it should be by his own merits.
The alternative world has been going for millenia as well, some fag can't show up and beast on everyone. He needs to be smart and realize how the powerful and the social dynamics of the new world work so that he can use and manipulate them to get power himself.

But this is japanese anime writing we are talking about. Complete and utter trash.

>So let's fix it

pic related

>Everyone is already max level
Except that literally only 1 character is max level, and he's a lander.
Did you forget the raised level cap?

Also you forgot to mention how people have to make their own skills by using existing skills in weird ways and combos.

>protagonist finally appears
>no new translations
JUST

I'm having withdrawals. I check the website every day but nothing new appears.

You get used to Estelion's laziness, he still hasn't finished the Jashin Average and Bathroom Goddess sidestories. It would be nice if he updated "I'll live my second life" too.

That would definitely be interesting.

He's not playing some video game again, is he? It was disgaea last time, wasn't it?

It also helps to have a clearly defined story with a goal and an end. Many light novel series just have a setup situation and then it's prepped to go on endlessly without any purpose, other than show how mc gets stronger and trucks on. More characters get introduced with arcs that hint at something grand, but it just keeps going without any relief, just an endless progression of intermediary steps where the stakes may or may not rise. Lore and world building is important, but without an interesting story, you may as well just read an AD&D rulebook and the accompanying lore books and then dream about your awesome adventures in there.

Dunno, navigating his site is a nightmare so I haven't checked.

How about the MC is actually switch and bait.
The guy summoned from another world dies right away while the true MC (an average NPC, Mercant, Guard or craftsman) benefits from it.
The true MC gets forcibly involved as "the chosen one" by a holy artifact housing an angel because he was stupid enough to defend it from a demon through trickery.

(Sparks. Start up your game again.)

This isn't that summoning at random thing, is it? I've not heard a single good thing about it.

>Gets raped into submission by Zeus

No, that's from Jashin Average.

I don't recall a beach episode.

Side story material.

there is no problem with a MC being the main hero and maybe being a strong character. The problem comes when the MC is never challenged.

Part of the fun of shounen action series is when a hero has adversity, losing, faces setbacks, loss and gets stronger and wins. Granted it's predictable in any story not just chinese cartoons; but it also contains the essence of what makes something both tense to watch and enjoyable at the same time. We want the suffering hero to overcome his limits. And beat down the roadblock in his path.

THERE is no tension in a story where the character is a GOD who can destroy every foe with a wave of his hand. Overpowered god like MCs are bad writing. Strong heroes who can be challenged or even theoretically defeated by their foe make for an interesting story.

>posts the painfully generic plagiarized bad version of Arifureta

oh look we just found a newfag.

This. This so much.

>tfw in Twelve Kingdoms, it's the MC who has to learn shit like politics and court etiquette

Still better when a Europ writes it.

Check out that memoir of a British lady travelling through 19th century Japan. Don't read the manga where she turned her into a weeb.

>Puts raw egg on cooked rice
>Someone else tries it
>HOLY SHIT THIS IS THE BEST FOOD I'VE EVER EATEN

I love how it's worse than your typical 19th century white men writing about pagan religions. At least they're actually fascinated by them instead of in isekai where the MC just lambasted them for being stupid.

why? it's yet another Isekai where the MC is a mary sue; worse it's yet another one which is about the MC getting everything they ever wanted without any real effort.

>There needs to be some sort of language barrier
For what purpose

Nice argument you have there.

so the trip to a backward fantasy world will carry an ounce of inconvienence.

THIS is my biggest problem. the complete lack of inconvienence.

These are the list of phrases that make me walk away from an Isekai the moment i read them.
-"incidentally the language is so similar to japanese i master it instantly"
-"incidentally the written language is almost identical (or IS identical) to Japanese."
-"Thankfully I created a large bath in this rustic backwater (or in my house which I just got awarded to me) the people of this world thought I was crazy but any japanese person would know this is a necessity!"
-"I was able to ferment so soybeans and make a rudimentary soy sauce. I also cultivated a local grain similar (or identical to) rice! Now that i have soy sauce and rice I can be happy ->leading into 10 chapters of the character culinary adventures recreating different japanese dishes, because local food sucks"

By the way, by excluding the Isekai that include any of those lines pretty much excludes 90% of the stories out there.

>their heroes has been suppressing the "demons" who only wants to live in peace and harmony with the humans.

How original.

Why would you read Isekai? If they're any good they'll get an adaptation

>Not all that powerfull compared to the asshole royals who have fucking awesoME MANA FUCK!

I love how most shonen started out all about being hard work but in the end makes the protagonist have special powerups no one else can get anyways.

Fuck those jelly untalented fuckers.

>spoken language is almost identical to Japanese
>but the people somehow have Germanic names

How is Overlord so good despite breaking pretty much every rule this thread has come up with?

Because it's not about the tropes a story uses, it's about how well it's written.

Overlord isn't good though.

>Overlord
>good

Because you can't simply say 'a genre will be good if it adheres to these rules', at that point you're effectively just making a new subgenre that you claim you like.

A genre is only as good as how you use it to tell the story.

>he actually self-insert into the mc

Oh i am laffin

> How to make Isekai good
Stop writing it.

>mushoku tensei

overlord is not good therefore your argument is invalid.

Any Isekai with MCs that are fucked in the head? I don't think I've seen an insane MC in these types of genres.

Also, Subaru isn't insane, mind-broken, sure, but doesn't have his screws loose.

Just make the mc interesting for fuck's sake.

>No useless,perverted, disgusting NEET
>No generic no #3212 salaryman or highschool student

Just pick anyone else, heck a teacher, an engineer, a professor are all interesting choices if you put them in medieval fantasy settings or whatever.

Fuck off to your general you fucking retard.

I'd like it if the MCs weren't always failures/shut-ins/outcasts in their original world. Or if the new world weren't exactly like one of MC's video games.

How about being turned into a dictionary. In order to return back, one has to kill 100 ESL fags.

Define "insane", user.

Nidome no Yuusha's MC is a little bit fucked up in the head because of the betrayal.

>2 Distinguished Professors in chemistry and physics reincarnate into magic medieval world.

>Small kingdom getting bullied by bigger empire with superior power (military/magic)

>Can't use magic themself because they doesn't have ability (circuits whatever)

Proceeds to develope science division to rek them with the power of science and engineering while also getting rekt by occasional magic

thoughts?

The golden formula for isekai is as follows:
>mc is weaker than the average person
>relies on others and by doing so builds friendships/relationships
>mc strives to get better to prevent relying on others
>no powerleveling
>at some point develops their own power which is helpful in some niche cases
>mc has no set goal until midway through
Plus a lot of what op said

This is what I got from parts of re zero, the beginning of shieldbro and bookworm and they're all pretty popular among Cred Forums

Because the strength of Overlord isn't just in everybody being like "wow Momon is sukhooooi", though there is a lot of that.
Rather the appeal of Overlord is in exploring what the social, political, and economic effects on the world are of the Tomb of Nazarick and its Evil-aligned near-undefeatable supernatural horrors suddenly being dumped into the middle of a world that was busy minding its own business until the invaders arrived.
And also the denizens of Nazarick chilling with each other.

>Rather the appeal of Overlord is in exploring what the social, political, and economic effects on the world are of the Tomb of Nazarick and its Evil-aligned near-undefeatable supernatural horrors suddenly being dumped into the middle of a world that was busy minding its own business until the invaders arrived.

Mostly involving everyone being awed at their OP powers.

>And also the denizens of Nazarick chilling with each other.

With shitty comedy.

>relies on others and by doing so builds friendships/relationships

In the case of bookworm, manipulating.

>mc strives to get better to prevent relying on others

In the case of bookworm, she never cares about that.

>Mostly involving everyone being awed at their OP powers.
Yeah, but it's the OP powers of the whole Tomb army, not just Momonga personally. It's the story of how introducing another faction suddenly destabilized the entire power balance both domestic and international, for the worse.

>Mostly involving everyone being awed at their OP powers.
And immediately setting about trying to work around these unfathomably OP cunts dropped on their planet rather than immediately bowing down in reverence. Most react with terror and stupefaction, others with trepidation and caution since they're not actually the first OP cunts to appear.
Basically the only one they respect is Momon, who is a deliberate construct made to be a lightning rod of respect and glory. It's a ruse.

>Define "insane", user.
That's kinda hard. There are many types of loonies out there.

More Yume please.

>what the social, political, and economic effects on the world are
Aren't those basically "wow Momon is sukhooooi" everytime?

No.
There's Ainz blowing up half the Kingdom's army, the Theocracy trying to figure out how to respond to that, everyone wondering when "Jaldabaoth" will show up next, Tsaindoruks Vaision basically prepping for war since he knows what players can do, Jircniv trying and failing to plot, and Enri having a goblin army.

>This genre is really popular but they all demonstrate some glaring flaws

Nah its a good hobby, but most people here probably don't even read narou or gook/chink shit so whatever. I mostly read them at work to pass time so the overall quality matters little to me to be honest as long as I can get that juicy juicy Entertainment, wishu fulfilment or amusement

They are perfectly fine and 99.9% of them are complete shit indeed, but because of the sheer number of those stories and narou entries you can still find tons of decent stuff.

For me its more important how the ones you listed are presented. Like say the game elements that most people love to complain about.

The recently popular korean Dungeon Defence for example also has some game elements but essentially they are used cleverly to support the flow of the story and various banter/sheming that is the main focus of the story.

It's almost the same with Daraku No Ou, but here you have the the world where every demon strives for more power by indulging more in their sins, however the more power they obtain the stronger their sins become which ultimately causes ruin.
The author here focuses on or at least tries to analyze and flesh out the sins using the jrpg elements and show their pinnacle which can be amusing.

Anyway I don't dislike anthing you pointed out there user, in the end it all comes down to if it the writing is not absolute garbage meaning not 1:1 with the most basic narou formula/pattern and if it can fullfill my wish of seeing what I wanted to see in the story when I picked it up.

>wow out of billions of people in the world what are the chances that this story would be about an interesting one fuck this it's so unrealistic
I think you just hate fiction. Who the fuck thinks like this?

>Daraku No Ou

The Lazy King?

>Twelve Kingdoms

Yes

Slice of life fags, they need to be purged from existence honestly

>I think you just hate fiction
I must be a masochist then.

>Who the fuck thinks like this?
More like what kind of retard would write this incoherent drivel?

>you can still find tons of decent stuff.

All the decent stuff I found are non-isekai.

>a random adventurer of average power is interesting
>senior wizards aren't

Make MC die and reincarnate but miss his old life and explore the mechanics of reincarnation.

I'm writing an isekai like that.

Then that would just be dime store erotica with maybe a couple of pictures.

>I must be a masochist then.
Either that or you don't know what you actually like and are blaming your hate for isekai on the wrong things.

>the story of senior wizards doing their normal duties to clean up magical mishaps and aggressors is more interesting than the story of an inexperienced person learning to deal with new responsibilities and the harsher world that has been pushed onto them by chance

I get what you're saying, but this is the difference between a story like The Iliad and The Hobbit. They're both good, but for whatever reason your version of heroes being heroic went out of style years ago.

>your hate for isekai on the wrong things.
I love isekai though.

>ranking by letters
Whie I am not angered by this, what makes me fucking LIVID is the existence of an "S"

Its the 19th letter, stop making it the goddamn top. You fucks want to rate stuff by letter like it's a goddamn classroom then stick to it.

You love isekai, but you don't want a story about someone with little experience learning to deal with hardships?

What kind of story do you want? It sounds to me like you want an SoL where someone is pushed into a new world and they just have to learn a trade and how to interact with the villagers in this new place.

It's an RPG convention, don't get mad at isekai for copying the things we know they're copying.

>What kind of story do you want?
The ones they're publishing right now, preferably those with a powerful and competent MC?

I like it

I think I mixed up you and OP. In fact I think I mixed up you and the guy you were arguing with and took your quote completely out of context.

Rather than modern-day characters brought into a fantasy setting, I prefer fantasy characters brought into a modern day setting.

Something like Hataraku Maou-sama or Bokura no Kiseki.

Honestly I just want an unusual setting. Not just generic Tolkien Middle Ages fantasy. Howls moving castle did fantasy Europe differently for fucks sake.

>Not just generic Tolkien Middle Ages fantasy.

No isekai does that.

Agreed, it's extremely entertaining to watch said characters adapt to modern life Kuromukuro is a recent example along with a good looking gargantia, that kind of SoL aspect is the main reason I liked both of these shows.

Since naofumi doesn't meet raphtalia or end up betrayed, coupled with the fact that he ends up meeting various women, he often ends up hooking up with someone else. Again, this is because of motoyasu fucking up the timeline

Rpg tier fantasy world is based off it, in any case it's gotten old.

how bout a MC that doesn't want to be there

I mean think about it, all Isekai shows the MC are otaku the thrive in that world and don't really want to go home since there not in the best situation to say at least

So how bought something like the following:

> This show to get too the other world you need to watch a specific show some where in the middle of the night so only otaku will be up to see it, Now enter the MC who was chosen by a goddess/deity to enter the world.
>Except there's one problem, MC ism't am otaku, he's a security guard the works the graveyard shift at a major corporation and only watched the show cause there was literally nothing else to do.
> So his first words are along the line of "Send me back"
> Confused the goddess/deity asks why he would want to go back when by all rights he should prefer the other world.
> The MC explains that he is not an otaku and has a life back home with things an upcoming promotion, taking care of sick family members, is engaged to someone (which also gives him a reason not to bang anyone one in the eventual harem since in his mind would make him a goddamn scumbag), etc.and blatantly accuses the goddess/deity of making a mistake
> This agitates goddess/deity and makes her all the more willing to send him to the other world since there must be some reason why he was chosen
> Knowing that he has no choice but to be forced into the new world, the MC starts barging with the goddess/deity since by Isekai logic there must be something be it "evil" to defeat or curse to be undone that will upon completion send him back, and luckily, there is.
> So having the conditions to go, the MC is determined to complete it as fast as possible with out leaving as much of an impact on the world as possible to not grow attached to it.

>a security guard the works the graveyard shift at a major corporation
>a life back home with things an upcoming promotion, taking care of sick family members, is engaged to someone
All of these things seem like very good reasons to say fuck the real world.

>also gives him a reason not to bang anyone one in the eventual harem
Yeah, if he's an absolute cuck.

Your ideas are shit.

I like the idea of someone doing great in his home world, so how about the CEO of a huge company? Then rather than desperately trying to get back, he establishes a trade empire which will result in him getting enough information to get back to the real world.

Throw in a little more greed in there and maybe make him try integrating the new trade company into his already existing business?

>cuck

looks like we found someone with no life as it is

Make it about a commercial that use the skills he learned to make it big as a merchant.

I said security guard instead of CEO for 2-ish reasons

1) gives him a reason why he watched the late night show
2) since he's a security guard since it would also explain why he would have some physical capabilities

Don't know about you m8, but I'd love to see a magic surge go horribly wrong and the reality bending animated.

Fuck you could even make a comedy out of wild mages.

> Konosuba.
> Overpowered protagonists.

Pick one.

>All of these things seem like very good reasons to say fuck the real world.

How might I ask?

>integrating the new trade company into his already existing business?
Now this is motivation.

A whole story about some beta male trying to get back to a girl we never see and only exists so you can have your pure hero is boring and gay. If you want a story about a decently competent hero from humble beginnings saving the day there's no reason to make it an isekai, just have a normal fantasy story.

I see, I personally don't mind a lack of action in my shows, but to each their own.

The second reason is acceptable. How about:
>MC gets a ghost phone call
>Gets immediately tp'd to a sort of hall area
>Instead of being ''the chosen one'' he has just been recognized for his prowess in trade (maybe some sort of, make my country rich spell?)
>One thing leads to another and he starts his economy shenanigans

The Twelve Kingdoms has none of this and is an isekai anime.

>security guard working the graveyard shift
>upcoming promotion
>sick family depending on him
>engaged

This guy is under a lot of stress. He's working a shitty job and is probably kissing ass hardcore to try and get his promotion. He has to work hard to support sick family members so he isn't gaining anything for himself. While working so hard and supporting so many people he's now engaged, given the earlier information the guy is likely mid to late twenties marrying a girl the same age because they both decided to settle and not with any real love involved, especially with how much his work gets in the way of them actually spending time with each other. Wedding planning and other bullshit adds a lot of stress on top of his already stressful life.

Suddenly he gets sent to a world where he can take it easy. Maybe he works to get home at first, but it won't be easy and he'll naturally become more accustomed to this new world where he doesn't have all his old responsibilities and duties holding him down. Maybe he starts remembering old fueds, how his family was never properly grateful for his work, how his boss was an asshole, how he thought his girlfriend was cheating on him. He's going to be much happier in this new world.

To be fair I'd enjoy watching an MC dealing with an emotional dilemma of that scale.

This, it's so much better when there's a language barrier. It makes both the MC and the locals that much more curious of one another, and provides opportunities for nice, heartwarming scenes where the main character can get to know his future party and the world he's living in now.
Gargantia is the one anime where it's best handled imo.

You might as well read Sinbad's adventures.

It's a shame about Gargantia's actual plot. The world and SoL segments were really nice.

this desu senpai

Okay what is this?

goodreads.com/series/144936-daniel-black

I actually liked this take. By using the understanding of physics in our world the MC munchkins the magic system in the other world.

I still think it's was quite nice in retrospect. Unlike most dwelling in the threads, I didn't particularly want the plot to go back to the Alliance, moreover the final battle, complete with the heroic sacrifice of best AI, was very good.

Should be a story set in the berserk unvierse but following an ordinary soldier fightning battles, losing comrades and wishing to go home. Like the golden arc but no super swordman and stuff.

Most of these are wrong though, in fact it's entirely possible to do the opposite to your demands and make a superior example of the genre

Watch more anime dude. It's obvious you have no experience with it. In particular, watch more fantasy/adventure, including the old stuff.

>This novel contains graphic violence, inventive sex, unconventional opinions and a protagonist who has no interest in being normal. Read at your own risk

Edge detected

It's definitely a power fantasy complete with harem and battling demigods. Probably gods soon.

So was Re: Zero the perfect isekai?

So OP doesn't like anime, manga, VN and LN in general.

Back up.

Keep the overpowered MC, keep the skill trees, keep the magic ability to understand the native language... Make it a story about a guy with an ego that insists on being rewarded for his heroics, and his only notion of heroism is "punishing" "evil." Time after time, he finds some person or group to blame for the ills of the world, and systematically hunts them down and slays them. He keeps at it for actual decades, convinced he's the only one in the world who can do what's right.

This man is the Demon King.

The real hero is a native of this world, and after like five episodes, we find out it's really his story.

Remove Darkness from KonoSuba and you'll get perfection.

Remove MC from konosuba and you'll get perfection
Just imagine Aqua trying to herd her party towards the demon lord

Re:Zero did the setting better than the vast majority of isekai WN/LN I've seen, yes.
It's still a pretty average story, and Subaru is one of the most annoyings MCs I've ever seen.

Just because he's only quoting recent anime doesn't mean what he's saying he's wrong. In fact, he's simply reminding us of the basics of storytelling.
It doesn't matter whether the MC has to fight against time travel shenanigans, travel through dangerous lands to throw a ring into hot lava, or manage a harem, what matters are the obstacles the MC faces and how he resolves them.

Perfect

who was the imbecile responsible for casting the voice actor for MC? he sounds like he's at least 40 years old

The S rank is the exception to the ruling, Special cases that can't be put together with regular grade As. Though why any culture not using Latin alphabet would use such a ranking is beyond me.

Biggest actual problem with most of isekai and actually most of manga/light novels is that instead of author creating whole plot in his head from start to end and then just writing it down nicely, authors invent an interesting plot device like say "save ability" in rezero, then they start to imagine interesting situations to put those tricks in, they then write characters to also accomodate that trick, then they just keep inventing plot development already when writing it, adding new characters, plot twists, new perspectives and so on until they either run out of them or get bored of it after years of writing and just drop/do an incredibly half-assed/"open" ending

Instead of writing a story most are writing immideately interesting plot devices with little concideration on long term development, kinda like playing chess by always playing the best move of the turn, instead of having strategy on the game, it works at first but in the end you will lose to a strategists(writers who invent the whole story before hand)

Throwing shit at the wall to see what sticks works sadly.

A premise I wish had more exposure in isekai-type stories but never will be:

Guy ends up in a medieval world, except it's more like actual 13th century Europe than Dragon Quest. After a couple of episodes that thoroughly lampoon how stupid anyone could be for wanting to live in a world where no one has any concept of the germ theory of disease, sanitation, or public health and where the general human condition is one of widespread poverty due to a lack of human capital, the protagonist realizes the value of the things that he took for granted and spends the rest of the series trying to find a way to return home.

Simply showing the realities of premodern life without any exaggerations (ie how the life expectancy of someone living in the cities of the Roman Empire was 25 and how your average woman would likely have completely lost her looks by the time she was 23 or 24 due to bad health and no cosmetics) would make for an incredible series that, unfortunately, no one would ever buy.

I never said he wrong.

What is overpowered depends on the setting. A tank is OP in a medieval setting, but useless in a space battle.

Aqua pls.

>No overpowered MC
Okay, fine, that could probably be alright.

>There needs to be some sort of language barrier
What? Why? That would just cause pointless delay of getting to the actual plot, and cause frustration for the viewer when simple problems could be resolved by the characters on screen having the information the viewer has.

>No skill trees or level up like jrpgs
Okay. I can see how that might lead to a stale story, as long as the "skill tree" or "level up" isn't known beforehand, so any problem can just end up being solved by a clutch level up.

>No harem
Way to remove any incentive for watching the show for half the audience. Yes, I'm sure your perfect "no girls allowed" Isekai would top all the sales charts.

>No Demon Lord has returned or whatever to destroy the world.
Fine, plenty of possibilities to work with still.

>No ranking monsters or people by letters. Their actual feats must demostrate how dangerous they are.
That just requires more time. Ranking systems are useful to communicate the danger immediately without needing long introductions for every monster.

>There needs to be a reason why the mc was reincarnated/transported to the other world.
Sure, but there almost always is one, and it's almost always something to do with the "other world" needing them or some shit.

>the heroic sacrifice of best AI
He only did that because he believed the kid understood everything and could go on without him. But the kid immediately went back to being a retard after his AI was gone. The squids needed to die, and we can only hope that chamber killed them all and the kid will never again find any to be a retard around.

So Drifters, uh? Just wait, the anime is airing in some days

>Engineering Student about to graduate gets transported to fantasy land
>He's clever as fuck, has downloaded a shit ton of books on various engineering, mechanical methods along with wikipedia on his phone.
>somehow gets on the bad side of a mage and challenged to a duel he can't back out of a week from now
>goes and gets a job working in a blacksmith's work shop, begins designing and building a rudimentary firearm.
>uses it and fucks up the mage, but chooses not to kill him, instead saves his life with his little knowledge on modern medicine and help from a local healer.
>mage is grateful as fuck and wishes to learn more about this tech so they become bros and strike up a deal to trade info, end up creating crazy half magic, half modern weapons which are then used to fight off a foreign nation who have been attacking their local area.
>Mage has a cute imouto MC gets to bang later on

10/10 Anime of the Season guys, get writing it.

So basically, something like a connecticut yankee in king arthur's court or something?

>the life expectancy of someone living in the cities of the Roman Empire was 25
Don't be one of these retards. The life expectancy was low because of enormously high infant mortality rates. If you lived to 5 you had a decent chance to live to 60 or even 70.

So basically try writing something good instead of using the same shitty cliches and stereotypes for depressed teenagers

similar, it would be obvious he wasn't using magic though, in this world, mages would need time to recite a spell before firing it off. While the MC with his prototype matchlock rifle can just point and shoot, as he learns more and gains experience, and with help from actual magic enchantments, he can get to point where he's manufacturing explosives, semi auto weapons and even communcation equipment.

Fuck off, i'm not gonna give you fuel for your next video TAS.

I can almost guarantee it would turn out like The DaVinci Code, where every new piece of tech or knowledge the guy comes up with feels like it's just the author masturbating himself for being so damn clever. Anyone willing to write a story like that would need to have their head so far up their own ass that everything they write screams "I'm a cunt" and is painful to read.

It may seem like a cool idea, but I can't see any implementation of it being anything but awful.

Did they ever make more of that tenchi series?

Marche did nothing wrong!

You're probably right, you need a strong villain, maybe some kind of demon race, who can still put up a fight against MC using physical strength alone. If he is forced to improve his inventions out of desperation it might come off well.

This is the secret dream of every engineer. The problem, however, is that even if you're in the possession of knowledge about how to produce a given product/perform a given task, whether you can actually turn that knowledge into results is a separate matter.

If you took the complete schematics and manufacturing processes for an F-22 back to the mid-1950s, the people of that time would be unable to actually make it according to the specifications due to how much we have advanced in materials sciences in the last 60 years. This problem only becomes more pronounced as the technological and cultural disparity between time periods grows greater.

For example, even if you had all of the necessary knowledge about how to create an automobile, you would still need things like investors, a supply of laborers with the necessary skill sets to be useful, a means for creating the tooling that will be used to produce your product, a reliable and abundant source of raw materials, a dependable means of turning these raw materials into high quality materials, etc. The majority of time periods/settings lack several or almost all of these things.

>magic would make make these issues trivial

It always does, unfortunately. Magic always makes every problem in the stories where it appears trivial, unless that story is the aforementioned Connecticut Yankee in King Arthur's Court, where Merlin is a fraud whose magical superstitions actively impede the progress of humanity.

>you had a decent chance to live to 60 or even 70
I'm aware that 25 was life expectancy at birth and that you could expect to live longer if you got past the first couple of years, but let's not kid ourselves here.

Also, the fact that there's such a radical difference between life expectancy at birth and life expectancy in general in even the greatest of the civilizations of antiquity is yet another fine example of why it would suck to be transported to one after living in the modern world.

>and if you don't like any of these, explain why.

All of those suck. I ain't gotta explain shit, Jack.

If an 'Isekai' show/novel etc was aired/written with all your points within it, it would be boring as all fuck.

Maybe have an older MC that gets transported there by some Native American voodoo magic because he was a part of the Frontier West ushering out the Indians so a Shaman put a hex on him. He gets transported there and hates the fuck out of the place and actively finds a way to leave. He has some women show interest in him but with the way hygiene was back then he tells them to fuck off. Fucking hell I'm good.

Leave out the skill trees and I'd read it. Skill trees really don't add anything to the story, it's only some wankery over imaginary MMORPG systems.

Rudy is a fucking jobber.

He's definately a top level character in this world. but there are certainly existences which are far superior to him. Hell, most of his most memorable battles are ones in which he LOSES (and he loses a lot of battles).

Meh, The Lazy King is better than anything Cred Forums slobbered over in the last couple of years and it has skill trees.

I really enjoyed the power levels of Mushoku tensei but the ending was SO DAMN UNDERWHELMING.

He had future rudy tell him that you could basically do anything with magic given enough understanding

>implying hygiene out west would be any different compared to "back then"
At most people wouldn't shave. You may have large cities without sewage systems to. But there weren't sewage systems out west either. Go google "wild west stds"

>I really enjoyed the power levels of Mushoku tensei but the ending was SO DAMN UNDERWHELMING.

the big mistake in MT was orsted-corp. When you have the most powerful existence in the world to clean up all your messes it sorta takes the fun out of the story. Instead of a story about Rudy overcoming impossible challenges or suffering setbacks, it becomes a story about Orsted ROFLOLSTOMPING everything that slightly inconvenienced Rudy.

I can't remember it's name, can someone tell me the name of that LN/manga where it's an old/ugly guy who is the MC and he parties up a generic-MC-tier guy with a harem and gets triggered when he overhears the MC having an orgy with his harem?

I'd imagine it was shittier that the Wild West given the climate.

Atelier Tanaka.

Thanks senpai

So Cook for the Mercenary Corps, Vending Machine and Isekai no C-Mart?

I can see your reasoning and I'm not gonna lie a MC in denial about wanting to be in a fantasy world would be interesting

But my original concept still stands of a MC who doesn't want to be there

I used the security guard as an example for two reasons (see ) and the promotion can be explained of him getting a different job that pays more and has more reasonable hours,also the engagement could be out of love even though its a rarity over in japan now.

Regardless, I was simply trying (key word on trying) to offer some reasons why the MC would want to desperately want to get home and I'm sure you could probably come up with some better reasons user

Not isekai, just telling you now. Translations are finished aside from a couple of side stories.

I just had an idea that sounded like a fun read
>Guy in our world has a 2D waifu
>He loves her very much, a true waifu friend and not one of those memer pretenders
>He dies due to a fuck up on the celestial bureaucracies part, they owe him a new life and he gets to choose
>Being a true waifufag, he wants a life where he can be with his waifu
>Being having more important shit to care about they only bother to fulfill the requirements to the letter, not the intent
>He reincarnates and his spirit possesses the body of the recently deceased hero
>Out of alternatives and as a last resort, the hero created a life bond with the Demon Lord so that when he dies, the Demon Lord dies as well. This works both ways, but the hero was already planning on dying when he initiated this plan.
>Guess who the main characters waifu is?
>MCs wish was granted, he possesses the body of the hero and is bound by life with his demon lord waifu and because of a loophole in the magic this doesn't count as the hero actually dying
>Demon waifu is incredibly confused as the guy who was going to exchange his life just to kill her is suddenly worshiping her

Plot and shenanigans ensue, but then the twist...

>MC, confronted with more than an idealized 2D representation with his waifu realized that his waifu is indeed a shit and a bloodthirsty monster
>Being not -that- insane, he quickly falls out of his mindless devotion towards her and actually wants to kill her himself or at the very least break the life bond between them so that she can die without he himself dying
>But like a normal not-actually-a-hero person, he isn't willing to die for the greater good
>Because MC was the only person who unconditionally loved her, demon waifu falls in love with MC, but this happens as he loses his feelings towards her
>MC is searching for a way to break the life bond, demon waifu is trying to sabotage him at every turn so they can be together forever

What was that story about a blacksmith getting dumped into late bronze age bum fucking nowhere? I couldn't be arsed to read too far into it. Does he fold superior Nipponese swords few tens of thousands times later on?

He makes useful shit, like axe heads.

Literally ranks the monsters and OVERLORD by letters

Fuck off

I had a go at writing one where the MC was summoned to another world to be a hero, but something went wrong in the summoning process and she died. So instead she got reincarnated as a level 1 and they summoned a different guy to be the hero.
Was comfy as fuck.

lvl 1 what?

She became a level 1 angel, but it turns out that angels in the new world are just flying Jews. For comparison the new hero became a level 70 (max level) demigod.