Why is this allowed?

Why is this allowed?

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Because artists and game makers want to be compensated for their work?

I already hate it out of principal.

I agree but "Patreon only" and the God damn Patreon ©® Logo©® as a choice is immersion breaking. Just hide the premium choices and put a "Patreon" mode in the main menu which will unlock all the premium choices.

How do we fix Patreon?

you pledge in the middle of the month, get all the shit you want out of it and cancel before you get charged

>Patreon
>monthly "pledges"

I normally do what suggests but come on. I'm not paying a fucking monthly fee to play your indie game and unlock it's features.

wtf i hate patreon now

That seems so exploitative.

I'm going to be that guy

Source?

Fuck, what is happening to me? I was actually really disappointed when I noticed that isn't a guy.

>i'm only in it for the money the image

You don't throw that shit into the middle of a game. You make the entire thing patreon only or some kind of additional content at the end.

The pay per production model seems pretty fair to me.

Does this even still work?

so is begging for money to make things instead of selling them when they're done

Ne

It's a teaser. They do it intentionally to tempt you to send them money. Their motive is pretty easy to understand.

>unlock it's features
Its, not it's.

I'm not getting sauce, famalam. Pinch me up?

Because none of you faggots actually buy things

Don't worry Cred Forums, my game will have all your needs with a one time purchase!

> weebs pay for anime smut

I used to do camshows with my QT22/7 grillfriend on Cam4 and we would do it for free; we told the viewers that we were just doing this for fun and not to tip us.

The other casters would fucking rage and stop broadcasting as their rooms emptied out and ours filled up to the low thousands.

Tons of viewers will still tip us regardless.

Funny but it was the getting the other casters to quit casting while we were on that made it SO good.

Fucking money leeching Jews.

if someone sauces, i shall post more delicious brown

Tell me what game so I can pirate it.

It's like in Dragon Age Origins where DLC quests would show up in the main game

denpasoft.com/shop/sakura-maid/
New Sakura game.

Nope, it's "it's" also, as "it's" isn't plural.

Pleb.

thx

>Sakura game

Never mind, those are garbage.

Artists should be as cool as the guys on /weg/ I've given every dude there $5 and then proceeded to pirate several months and games worth of content, but hey at least some of them said it was cool.

...

possessive, congrats on being literally retarded then trying to correct someone

its-not-its.info/

>Not being jew
>Watching jews being angry because your un-jewish ways pays more.
You're living the dream my man.

Yes. On average, 60% of the pledge amount is never actually paid.

EVNs were a mistake.

I fucking hate Patreon, mainly because I can't benefit from it and have to work a day job while some fucking "artist" gets to sit on ass all day.

All of the artists suddenly need Patreon money or they're going to fucking starve/die when the year before it came out, it was all supposedly a labor of love.

Fuck Patreon, fuck the paywall it's allowed people to have, and fuck the people who do it.

Why is anyone playing this shit to begin with? Why in god's name does MarbleSyrup make a killing on patreon pulling these kinds of stunts? People are retarded and horny.

Creators are exploiting the shit out of patreon to begin with, so whatever. Hell, you never know if something you genuinely support is just going to spontaneously combust and you end up with nothing.

So say if I back something today, download the full game, and then cancel, will there be any charge?

the worst thing about Patreon is now japanese artists caught on and there's a clone of it called Enty.

its hard enough to import doujins, now you have to worry about paying the artists monthly just to see stuff that used to be free to the public after someone paid a commission for it.

I remember some jew making some monster girls stuff and getting paid like 4k for it, did he run with them shekels yet?

That doesn't sound right. It would be pretty fucking stupid if it didn't charge you for the first month right when you pledge.

Only a matter of time if they haven't already. You never know. They'll keep the ruse going for as long as they can.

this only works if they have charge upfront disabled

the only thing I remembered is you having a small dick

I don't know if it's the game you're thinking of, but Mogi Origins is putting demo access behind a fucking $30 paywall.

no it is not a good game

You talking about (((Shwlg)))?

>guy runs a per update patreon
>gets shit on even though he hasn't charged while working towards the next update

>guy runs a monthly patreon
>gets shit on because he's not working hard enough according to patrons

you're fucked either way with patreon, may as well be a dick and get all the shekels you can. also, i can't see how games work on patreon since the format doesn't make any sense for them, a game isn't something you make in a month.

Patreon should never have allowed itself to become a paywall.

That's a good one.

On the other hand, wouldn't that mean getting more doujings more frequently?

You entitled little bitch, there will still be stuff to pirate

>Incase
Stop it, my penis size and blood amount have limits.

Unfortunately no, patreon/enty doesn't mean an increase in output

Because dumb nigger weebs try to capture any fake human interaction they can get.

That's pretty good

plebs pls die

Denpasoft? They sold the porn version of Nekopara as well.

Oh, I see how it works. The game itself is free, or rather it's a demo version and you enter in a password that Patreon followers get to unlock the full game. Shit, I wonder if you can just Google it? Ain't like they can tell where the password came from right?

My main problem with Patreon is that it encourages spending as long as possible to do anything. You can spend months just producing rough sketches and pretend you're totally working on that next comic/game/whatever when you just did that rough sketch two days before the next month rolls over. You're getting paid per month, not per work. So the more months it takes to finish something, the more money you get out of it.

Seriously, why is it so hard to organize crowdsource funding in such a way that the creators get paid AFTER they actually made what they promised? Artists do it all the time with a commission system, but the second you have more than one customer it all falls to pieces.

You must be a child if you're asking this question. Come back in 10 years and ask yourself this again.

>Game is "free"
>But only if you pledge $5 on their Patreon account.
>Alternatively, you can follow them on Twitter, forced to retweet an ad for their game so everyone knows you're a weeb fuck who can't even afford $5 for this shit and then you have to visit their Patreon page anyway
>If you do the above method you're still locked out of things in the game unless you pledge them money on Patron anyway

Wow. So free.

so the Ucogi guy became a jew?

and it wasn't that good anyway

You know what? I want to see something.

Tell us if you've pledged someone on Patreon, how much, and if you thought it was worth it. Maybe even who you pledged it too if you want. I'm interested in seeing if people genuinely think it was worth the investment.

But you can set it up like that for Patreon, it's just people most of the time choose to not set it up like that.

Set it up so that you get paid per work, not per month? If that's a possibility, but no one has done it, I'm getting a real cynical idea on why people chose not to do it.

Seriously though, that's news to me. I might be more interested in trying Patreon out if I knew anyone who operated on that basis.

Understand first that this is effectively what you wrote:

>I'm not paying a fucking monthly fee to play your indie game and unlock it is features.

And now think about how fucking stupid you are as you bring the barrel of a gun up to your lips.

paid per work still has the same problem though. Devs can just make super tiny updates and still get paid.

Don't know shit about this guy but just tried looking for someone who does it.
patreon.com/nerdwriter

Gets paid every time they release whatever their content is, not on a monthly basis.

>Sakura

Ah, nevermind

Anyone got a download for the full patreon versions of their visual novels?

Shit. Fuck. Goddamn it. I guess it's better to just wait and see right? Stalk their account a bit and see if they're the sort of fuck who makes tiny updates or useless ones?

That can be negated if the person who is paying sets up a monthly limit to how much they'll give in one month so they can't pull shit like that.

because it's not smart

getting paid consitently is better than not

not really, you can setup your account to make it so that you only give a certain amount per month no matter how many pledges they run

Fuck Patreon, it's even worse then Kikestarter. At least Kickstarter makes you pay only one payment, Patreon makes you pay every fucking month/video/update. Fuck that shit. And what's even worse is, since it's to support the "Creator" and not the actual project, people could easily just fuck right off after a year of doing nothing but small updates and say they are done with no consequence.

For example, see the one furry game where one of the artists just took everything and left including the copyrighted assets after years of trying to create the game.

Is that so? That's interesting. But like, does that lock you out of tiers or anything then?

patreon.com/sadinsfwgames

this one runs per update, but her games are pretty small and meant to be fapped to. she even sells them on a gumroad store afterwards if you don't want to be a patron

You misunderstand what patreon is for, you aren't getting a product you are simply giving money to someone because you like their work, that's it.

The perks are just something people do to add for incentive.

Thanks for that, I'll take a look user.

In theory, you could argue that if artists can live off patreon, they'll have more time to draw stuff since they won't have to worry about this job. But there's actually this fucked up effect that we're starting to uncover that suggests that getting paid for something you're already motivated to do because you enjoy it, actually decreases motivation.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Overjustification_effect

And it also seems that creative processes shut down when rewards are on the line, since creativity is inherently risky. In studies, people who get some kind of creative tasks for a reward tend to play it safe and in the process create inferior works to people who get the same task but with no reward.

Basically, with jews you lose.

The difference between your camshow and an artist's art/game is that one takes several hours per day after years of gitting gud and the other is just 'for fun'.

Art is work, artists who want to live off making art need money to keep doing it it shouldn't be that difficult to understand.

If you find the pass post it here

That's like having race-game with track splits everywhere but half oft hem are patron only.

Sure, devs need to be paid but not like this.

For anyone who wants to play this shitty game without any of the Patreon bullshit. mediafire.com/download/jixolu6fu0jd7c8 /NoPassMod.zip

Hassle free game mirror here: mediafire.com/download/4llc7yoyuw3go3a/SakuraMaid-1.0-all.zip

This shit right fucking here.

Tiarawhy, an MLP animator, makes over $700 a month on Patreon. She hasn't put out any flash animations in like 2 fucking years now and does nothing but stream video games.

Anything she does put out, previews or whatever, is paywalled.

Oh, boohoo. It cost moneys. It's work, it costs money. Get over it.

Has anyone played the Harem RPGmaker game by Ker? I enjoyed it quite a bit, has anyone uploaded a Patreon version?

>$1
>You get NOTHING!

Then why fucking list it?

>the worst thing about Patreon is now japanese artists caught on and there's a clone of it called Enty.
Are they actually that xenophobic they needed to create their own Patreon clone just so it wouldn't be tainted by foreigners' money? Besides, didn't they think crowdfunding was shameful a few years ago?

>But there's actually this fucked up effect that we're starting to uncover that suggests that getting paid for something you're already motivated to do because you enjoy it, actually decreases motivation.
That explains a lot.

Because le epic memery of course

What's the title ?

>that patreon
wtf man

Patreon is basically a scam at this point. I greatly prefer commissions.

>get more than enough money to make your game and release it for free or at the very least for a nominal fee
>milk customers for more instead

Kikestarter and Patrejew was a mistake.

>Patreon is good when its used to fund a regular, reliable product. Not so keen on its use for crowdfunded welfare
Was he right?

So not only is doing a job you love a fucking stupid idea, this is also why we keep getting rehashes and yearly sequels? Fuck.

I couldn't find any trace of it being mentioned outside of the developer's and publisher's twitters. Either this game came out like 2 hours ago or literally no one cares and so there's no demand for the password.

See, that's what I don't get. You can't see anything a Patreon user does because it's all paywalled. But if I can't see it, how the fuck do I know I want to give money to them? For all I know it could be the dude has a fetish for Jake the Dog from Adventure Time pooping in diapers.

Most of these Patreon things are like $1-$5 for the main content and you only need to pledge once to get access to tons of posts, it really isn't much if you have a job, 1 day of pay could be anywhere from 24 - 120 months.

patreon.com/shokioyt

No password needed, it's already been modded out of the game so that all the content is unlocked already.

>Want to live the Patreon life and quit my shit retail job
>I'm not an artist, I just write stories
>I'm not a woman or a trap
>I'm not a SJW
>I'm not trans/snowflake
>I don't have anything to offer but masturbatory fiction

What do I do to live the life of the "muh soggy knees"?

Basically money ruins everything.

Make a text based porn game then.
Also, you can learn to draw, you just need to put in some time and effort.

Just CLAIM you are one of those things. It's that simple, people are fucking retarded.

>he has limits

>Make a text based porn game then.
Don't I need to learn coding and shit for that?

>you just need to put in some time and effort.
I started playing Pokemon Art Academy. I figured that if I'm going to draw, I should appeal to those with the most money: furries.

It's helping a little bit, kind of. About as much as a "how to draw manga" book helps a high school girl draw yaoi.

>artists don'the have rent
>artists dont'the have to eat
>artists don't have to buy the equipment and tools necessary to create the content you want for free
>art education is free

You're making some pretty big assumptions here, bud.

>Artists on the internet
>Art education

That's funny.

>don't have rent
>don't have to eat
That's what the Patreon money is for, jackass. I mentioned being able to quit a job.

Stuff like CoC and TiTS are grrat, it's the OC Do Not Steal furfag stuff that's the problem.

Play them and see if you want to try making something similar, with lovers and RPG elements and adventure.

Flaunt some arrogance and just follow in the footsteps of many shitty, text only porn games that all rake in mad dosh for no apparent reason.

>Don't I need to learn coding and shit for that?
Not anything beyond what a 3rd grader is capable of.

>faggots are defending this
God you subhumans are the worst. What would your mongoloid self tell me when I steal and sell stolen accounts cheap? Get ptsd?

>Don't I need to learn coding and shit for that?
Depends on what engine you use and how indepth you want the game mecdhanics to be. But overall there's not that much to code, so you should be able to do it with some simple googling, tutorials and maybe some occasional help from anons.
>About as much as a "how to draw manga" book helps a high school girl draw yaoi.
That's why there are Cred Forums and Cred Forums drawthreads, for instance. As well as /d/ and then there's also /ic/ which has a pretty good sticky, that's worth checking out.
To be able to draw furry pandering shit, you first need to learn how to draw basic forms, as well as people and animals.

Well, that didn't take long. Thank you user for the mod and game mirror!

The golden age of free porn is slowly but surely drawing to a close.

Soon galleries and databases will be taken down faster than /hebe/ boards.

Honeastly, I don't mind paying. But monthly subscriptions to individual items is cancer.

>artist is literally making 566 dollar per page of their comic
>still updates glacially

if this artist, decided to bring his comic pages per week from 1 to 3, that cunt would make over 80k a year

FUCK

it does for those that don't deliver their paywall content only after the monthly payment got in

>Some artists on sites say "I WILL NEVER CHARGE!"
>Some fucking autist starts telling them how great they are and that they DESERVE money for their work and should never release anything free
>2 days later
>TO SEE THE UNCENSORED VERSION SPEND $10

A few japs I follow that got in enty have a some messages or shit for western fans I think. I think Asanagi was kinda supportive in making his work more accesible for westerners.

If you're talking about breeding simulator it was getting like 40K a month and the artist was getting a ton of it and then he quit, took all of the assests that he made and started making a new game using some of those assests.

To be fair to the artist though there was no way breeding simulator was ever getting finished in any decent condition, it had like 200 animations and it required like 30,000+ since there was wolf, cat, bird, cow, horse, demon, mandrake, swine, angel, elf then there was feral, futanari, neoteny and genderbent as modifiers and they wanted every combination to have a breeding animation for everything else.

The game he's making seems to just be the playerxmonster and it will probably have a few monsterxmonster animations.

Animations weren't even the real problem with breeding season. The game itself fucking sucked and was nothing but a massive chore to play. They may as well have created those animations as standalone pieces without all the autistic game mechanics.
I didn't know whether to laugh or be pissed at that monumental fuckup.

Patreon ruined porn in same way Kickstarter ruined vidya
Prove me wrong

Pissed, that money could have helped make a good game, the revinue from that game could have let the creator make another and eventually a small studio that produces a very high quality H game ever two years or so. Unlike but possible and a single good H game is pretty realistic.

The game was pretty dumb though, if they added a reason to breed other than to get rare combinations of traits and money I might have liked the game, like you eventually build an army and can choose to attack the imperial or whatever ruling force there was and take over the country, slaughtering and raping the citizens and breeding an even bigger army. That being said that's completely impossible for breeding simulator to ever do, but a game like that would be kinda cool if it was done right.

The problem is the model of monetary compensation. If you look at high art from previous centuries as an example of something that would require uncompromising dedication to creativity, nearly all great artists/writers/composers got paid for what they loved. The difference is that they got paid by patrons, wealthy aristocrats who ideally would support the artists without restricting their artistic autonomy.

Patreon tries to imitate this model, but it actually completely misses the point since the artist still has to worry about appealing to the masses. The better solution is probably just for companies to realize that they benefit from giving their own employees more autonomy. There are some companies experimenting with it, like Bethesda bragging about how they gave their employees one week out of the year to just do whatever they wanted and show it off at the end, but personally one week in a year doesn't impress me much.

I kinda want to make bank with my dance skills but it's pretty scummy to ask for money from dancing. Everyone either does it for fun or get good/famous and then open their own studio/workshop.

It's kinda motivating to know that maybe I too can be successful despite being crap right now. But it's also kinda discouraging to look at the years it took him before starting to produce anything worth looking at. I don't think I could stick with it if I spent a year learning to draw and my average output looked like that 2001 drawing.

Because some people are willing to pay $10 every month for beta-access to half-assed shit.

And others fix that shit with mods.

Sauce?

>that shit
>fixed

>him
That's a female artist.
Also, it varies on individual. For her it took about 5 to get good, there are artists who get on approximately the same level within a year. It really depends on how much effort you put into it. If you're willing to sit there and correct your own mistakes over and over again, you'll definitely start improving.
I'm no artist myself, but even I'm making slow steps towards improvement, which is really nice and I've been only drawing a bit more than 2 years.

Depends on who you have helping you too. Some people just suck your dick and you never improve, while others are harsh and give you the criticism you need.

That's also true. Luckily, Cred Forums's drawthreads are usually pretty on point with criticism.

I'd say so, yes

Shit, that WAS fast. Got a link? Unless I'm retarded I'm not seeing it in the usual places.

>Your career of choice only earns you a small fraction of this

user. I'm an idiot. I am a fucking retarded piece of shit. BUT even I can make visual novel games with Renpy. It's the easiest fucking thing. You only need to spend a day fiddling with it and you'll be proficient with it.

I fucking hate the shit that the internet has allowed honestly. He's pretty damn lazy.

>Not writing paid commissions for niche porn already

OI OI, AIN'T THAT THE NEKOPARA GUY? JESUS

So like... originally artists would be told by some rich dudes "I like what you do. Here's some money, keep doing it" and they'd keep making sculptures or whatever.

Now, a bunch of people tell an artist "I like what you do, here's some money so keep doing it" and they... try to appeal to the masses instead of the customers that gave them the money in the first place?

I guess they just want more patreons for more money? Personally I think it's an integrity thing. A lot of artists stuck to doing shit that was incredibly unpopular in their life times because it meant something to them. The option to go with the flow was always there, they could of quite trying out cubism or whatever and just did what was popular. They didn't go for mass market appeal though.

Then... just write masturbatory fiction? I do it for free myself. I'm not the best, but like... I will write anything. I don't care how fucked up your fetish is, I will write it.

Name 1 (one) piece of writing you've seen about two lolis fucking each other with tentacle futa dicks.... right up into their fallopian tubes. Fallopian tube fucking is apparently a fetish and my eyes have been opened. I have fucking 99 insight when it comes to the terrors of fallopian tube sex and my brain is lined with eyes and all of them weep bitter tears.

Fortunately I usually get more normal fetish stuff like futa succubi having sex with lactating high school girls and as I type this I realised futanari appears in every single thing I write, what the fuck?

Why is this allowed?

The important thing is artistic autonomy. You'll pretty much never reach that with Patreon, because you either need to market yourself to get more patrons so you can get by, or need to satisfy your existing patrons constantly because they might stop supporting you any second if they're unhappy with your output. And even people who have really loyal patrons aren't safe from simply getting greedy, which the system encourages and society in general tells us is the rational thing to do.

Patreon is just another market, and an artist shouldn't have to worry about markets.

Yeah but, how the hell do artists get by without it then? Surely they're aiming at making SOME money to live on, unless they're already incredibly rich or they're mooching off someone.

Then it became a paywall. Paying to support an artist is fine, but Patreon isn't being used just to support when you want.

Just wait for a fix someone will get pissed off and fix the game for us.

By having a normal job and doing art on the side?

So you can't dedicate yourself to art?

...Wait.

So if you try to do only art then you stop doing art because you're too busy jewing everyone. If you do art only half the time then you will eventually do more art since you're actually producing something?

Why are artists so backwards?

Artists should be paid for their work, just like how you are paid for your job. But they shouldn't start out by saying stupid shit like "I will never charge!"

Source

What's backwards is the idea that extrinsic motivation is the main driver of all human behavior, which is pretty hard to challenge since it's a really important cornerstone of capitalism: That all people will achieve their maximum happiness by trying to make the highest amount of personal profit. It's just not true.

Put in winterfox as the password.

Just pirate the full game you fucking moron.

>tfw you work whole month just to get 4000$

Because retards think patreon is a kickstarter

I want to be WANT TO READ THE REST OF THE SENTENCE? SUPPORT ME ON FUCKING PATREON MOTHERFUCKER

PAY ME

MONEY MONEY MONEY

...

I don't give a shit about the game.
Post pics.

Thanks friendo.

I design buildings for a living and this person makes six times what I make. I give up.

It's not like you can live on $9000 a year. They must work or get disability or something alongside it.

>lying around stroking your dick is the same level of effort as sitting down and working on something several hours a day every day

The thing is that you don't have to live in US to earn patreon $. If you were animating MLP porn from, say, anywhere east of Germany, $9000 a year would be enough to live decently.

It's not about effort. It's about giving people what they want. I can spend 20 hours every day slaving over my ten million word novel about my edgy OCs but no one will give a shit. No one gives a fuck. Why should I get paid for trying hard at something no one fucking wants? Giving people what they want, even if it takes no effort on your part, is way more useful and it makes more sense.

Because video game players don't deserve respect and should be exploited as much as possible, they will not fight back.

I don't understand your point, are you saying the fags donating to patreon are donating and somehow they don't want it?

They're donating because they're fucking idiots that don't understand the value of money.

>need to put in effort to make money

And thus you discover why people charge for their patreon

>It's not like you can live on $9000 a year

Says who? My living expenses are like $400 a month. I'd save up 3600 per year. Fuck, I should set up a patreon.

Oh right sure
Here take this dithered butt instead and let me get out of this insane line of inquiry

>need to get a job or something
>nearly 24 years old
>haven't done anything since dropping out of high school at 16, just leeching off my parents
>morally can't accept government handouts
>considering using all my free time to learn how to make lewd games to earn patreon bux
How do I get myself noticed?
Do I make one and shill it on here until I'm a big deal?

You'd just pirate it when it's done anyway.

>Creators are exploiting the shit out of patreon to begin with
>how dare artists want to make a living doing the thing they love and work hard to get good at, I DESERVE free things REEEEE

Where do you live and under what living conditions?

It's like they need money for their (now) full time job or something!

Seriously, just admit you're jealous. Seeing an opportunity like patreon and not taking advantage of it would be retarded if it looks like a better situation than you're currently in.

>tfw can draw and write and could make big bucks but your neverlandstan gubernment has made jewtreon and kikestarter effectively illegal

>TFW I've only improved half as much in the same amount of time

>draw fetishistic furry gay porn for degenerates
>post it everywhere you can on the internet

As long as you can draw marginally better than a child, that's literally all you'd have to do.

cuck spotted

In a small town matchbox apartment that's owned by my grandparents. All I pay is 150 in maintenance fees to the landlord, which includes water, 35 for phone and internet, about 20 for electricity, and roughly 200 goes to food. Don't own a car. I work as a freelance graphic designer.

Capitalism™ works.

>hee hee I said cuck that's the cool new word to use right btw what's cuck mean? xD

Need to know what this is from senpai.

Not the original poster but it's Airi-chan Service.

Not really, that was like, one guy, standing at the camp, offering a quest.
This is locking content off from the main game.
At least the DA:O bullshit was just extra content, not the main game.

Why don't you virgins just jerk off BEFORE vidya so you won't have to buy bad games?

I don't think I could ever live like that.

Being paid for your work is all well and good, but if you don't think the patreon model begets laziness and abuse, then ask yourself if you'd be ok with everyone using a similar system. That means all your favorite media locked behind a similar paywall.
Patreon was meant as a tip jar to give a little extra to creators, not as a means to lock out content however you please in order to extract as much money as possible from the people who support you.

>tfw you can draw and write, but what you enjoy drawing and writing has achieved thought crime status in nearly every major country
Fuck this gay earth

>visit Mike Inel's Patreon
> $1 to access all his content
Pretty good

>"Baww, stop bullying the poor innocent artist who just wants to be compensated"
Fuck that, it's a bad habit to try and rev up especially when it's so fucking blatant, why even make your game free when you're gonna force people to pay to unlock other routes anyway?
It's like that fucking Namco VN that went nowhere, they release it as "free" but then lock shit off behind paywalls. That wasn't ok but this is for some reason because "He's just a poor indie dev looking for scraps ;~;"?
If you want to sell your fucking game then just sell it instead of doing this segmented bullshit where some of it is free and some of it isn't.
That isn't free, that's called a fucking demo

People paywall because they're forced to create an incentive for people to actually pay, because surprise surprise, if people can get something for free they will.

The levels of entitlement some people have are through the roof. Say someone was producing something for free. Then they get on Patreon. The content they were producing already is still free, but now maybe they do a little extra rewards like videos of them producing the content for patrons. Some assholes will find that unacceptable. They will unironically think the artist is in the wrong. Then there's idiots who just won't respect the work you do. People who never grew out of associating drawing with fun and thinking you should sit and draw for free 8 hours a day "because you love it".


The conclusion is don't monetize this shit. People will thirst for the content you produce while at the same time not having any respect for you and treating you as nothing other than a cheap hooker.
If you're an artist just get good and get a job at an actual company. Same if you're a writer, musician or anything else. Dealing with the audience directly is some degree of bullshit no one deserves.

It's almost
It's almost like patreon is some sort of donation system rather than a marketplace for products.

Really makes you think.

Ask anons for opinions and try correcting your mistakes when pointed to them.

>Shortstacks
>nymphomaniac aliums
>fuck party

Goddamn it Incase I can't handle my dick's mighty spasms.

>Ever backing Patreon

I remember when Kyreiru tried it for all of, what, 2 months?

Well, when you gaze outside your palace window, wondering where to spend the extra millions this week, maybe consider the reality that not everyone has choices.

The dude who did Eroico and that one Metroidvania I can't recall the name of with the red haired girl? Why did he stop after 2 months? Lack of followers?

except it's a cash advance payment to the artist to keep their content stream consistent, and keep their ass in an appartment.

Have you ever bought a legit piece of art? A painting, model, numbered print, anything at all? Just one will cost you at least a grand, even if the artist isn't well known or known at all.

>tfw your style only turns into a different type of shit over time and never looks good

Maybe I just have brain damage

>Why did he stop
For the same reason it's been nearly 4 years and Noika still hasn't been finished despite being a simple 10 dollar side scroller. He's the master of procrastination. I remember when he first announced the game. if you actually go to his blog and look through past posts, the game has been 'nearly finished' like 6 times over the last three years.

A grand? What the heck are you talking about? My dad likes buying art for some reason and our house is filled with stuff he bought for $100-300.

But yeah. Patreon is potentially a good idea and all but it lacks enforcement. It basically relies on good faith and hoping everyone plays nice. Really though, it's the fault of the customers. Why are they so complacent and allowing immoral artists trying to cheat the system and make a quick buck get away with it. Unsubscribe or whatever, walk away. If they bleed customers to leech off then they either have to get their act together or shut down when the money well dries up.

So.... why did he stop? 4 years cruising on Patreon would of made him a nice chunk of change and it ain't like the people who use Patreon are smart enough to unsubscribe.

You poor, naive soul.

>Early Access
>Some form of cosmetic that does not change the actual content of the game
>Behind the scenes bonuses like sketches or concept art
This isn't fucking rocket science.

>He's the master of procrastination
It's literally this. The whole idea behind the patreon was that he'd get weekly animations out. Those weekly animations turned into biweekly-to-monthly-at-best, so he shut it down.

>guy

>artists pretending to be female to get more sales
They'll have to try harder than that. Sayori isn't female.

Nigguh, nips don't have to pretend to be anything to get sales when they draw cute things and/or lewds

Wasn't Sayori a chink?

What are the chances of Sayori being a cute girl in real life?
Hell, what are the chances of her really being female?

>artist is robot that doesnt need to eat and get everything free

hi mr.trump!

They try anyway.
Asanagi did, and that one other pretty violent artist, uhhh forgetting names.

Zero.

>Asanagi did
Wot

Some old photo they posted of a girl holding one of his doujins, that he was pretending to be.

>$2000 of disposable income each month
>would love to commission r34 of my favourite characters
>most artists are too busy drawing their shitty OCs, sponsored via Patreon
>even better, some make you pledge $50 per month so you have a chance on a commission slot... that you still have to pay, mind you

Only based Sparrow is clean of the patreon cancer it seems.

It seems like every famous hentai/doujin artist is accused of being a girl.

ShindoL and maidoll are apparently women.

> Don't I need to learn coding for that.

user. Text adventures are the most basic and trivial shit to make in coding. You literally only need to know Console.print, if statements, switch cases, and while/for loops.

All of that should take about and hour or two of learning if you aren't retarded.

VN's, with art included, can take making a couple of days to weeks at worst. They are ridiculously easy to make and most people on this board did it in one way or another.

Was he actually pretending to be, though?

There's this weird trend around here to constantly claim that porn artists are female even if there's no evidence for it. Wouldn't surprise me if they did it with asanagi too.

>accused
Good joke, they really want people to think they're female because it helps sales.
They only genuine female I can think of that draws ero content is the author of Kodomo no Jikan, can't remember her name right now.

>Pay X amount of money a month to such and such to help them make their dream game
>"Oh nvm I don't feel like finishing, peace out thx for the cash"
>Wasted your goddamn time and money
>Some dipshit tries to call you entitled for expecting a result from paying for them

the problem is that the artist retained the rights to his work. That way he had no reason to not just take all te shit and start on his own.

>western VNs

>Single patron leaks the file needed to unlock the patron only stuff
>Problem solved

Fucking Trapquest

>because it helps sales.
Does it though?

I don't see the reasoning behind this thought.

Maybe get a job that actually pays?

isnt it possible to say you pay, look what they have, and then unsubcribe

I've seen artists get accused of being female even though their website profile downright states that they're male.

Because you need money upfront to invest in your idea. The idea is that if you cant get a bank to give you a loan to make it work you can go to kikestarter and get random people to buy into your idea. You get the money and make the product.

If you would get the money at the end, how will you make the product? A loan with the promise you pay it off with kikestarter money? That is just silly.

Reminds me of Dragon Age: Origins where an NPC would talk to you about a quest, you'd try to accept it and it would bring up the DLC store page. I closed the game and never replayed it. Fucking garbage.

He does get money from Hentai United but I don't know if he does exclusive content for them.

>Takes someone nine years just to draw weebshit "art"

Almost a decade and still can't actually draw. That's hilarious.

>$2000 of disposable income each month

>that one furry artist that could ask $300 per character in his pictures
>$100 for shitty sketches

Literally printing money.

> Game has Chinese cartoon-style waifuus
> Immersion is ruined by a logo

You're a disappointment to your family and mankind

>Draw for a week
>Make above minimum wage for the rest of the month

>These kinds of people probably make more money, more consistently, than people drawing high-detail, complex, classical art in realistic styles that are so rich and beautiful that they end up in museums, or integrated into architecture that leaves people in aw and admiration for literally hundreds of years.

Just be able to draw good kbotted dog cocks and you are set for life.

>you can walk to a museums anywhere in the world and see that for less than 30 bucks or even free.
>because of how taboo porn and sexuality is people have to search hard for niche stuff.
>they pay whatever just to get it because its novel.

Don't blame them for scarcity blame society. This is basic economics, if theres high demand and not enough supply price is way up.
The only reason you have a problem with it is because its porn, which leads back to why its like this in the first place.

Or Fable when they'd make you download the DLC island but then if you tried to go to it the game would stop you because you hadn't bought it.

If the artist draws shit like rape or ntr, there's a really good chance its a woman. I'm not saying that all artist that do are women, just that a majority so far seem to be.

I hope you're not blaming them for finding a way to make good cash.

>sparrow
>based
>when all he draws now is hypershit, furry, and/or rape

Could be, or could just be that they're the first to get accused of being females because people find the idea of women drawing more fucked up stuff than guys amusing.

SakuraMaid

Women also have fucked up fantasies of being raped, cheating on someone, or getting "taken away"

Sure, but most of them find that in yaoi, which allows them to apply that fantasy while only drawing men they find attractive.

You know how rape scenes tend to have these faceless, featureless men? That's because they're drawn by and for people who have absolutely no interest in men. You can really easily tell the gender/sexuality of an artist by looking at which gender they put most effort into drawing in an appealing way.

Sayori is not female? Damn I thought she was for the longest time.

>faceless featureless men

I thought the trend was huge fat guys that look like their parents were deformed pugs

That exists too, and isn't really an example of something someone who is attracted to men would draw.

cash grab

Shitty deviantart artist can get paid $4000 a month to make furry porn but not Japanese?

I'd fuck that jumpscare cow demon.

Weird, innit
exhentai.org/g/758013/8a1f5080ee/

Why not just pirate it and cut out the part where you share your account data.

The better the sex, the more it resembles rape.

How do you even run those demos? I keep getting a black screen. Do you need some new RPGmaker RTP or something?

>It's okay when indie devs and "artists" do it!

This is exactly the shit Ubisoft or EA pulls sometimes and people explode when they do.

>Seriously, why is it so hard to organize crowdsource funding in such a way that the creators get paid AFTER they actually made what they promised?

Because that would literally not be what "funding" means?

>reee how dare they make it hard for me to steal cartoon porn

>you will never fuck such creature like this.

FOLLOW AND RETWEET FOR A FREE* GAME!

*Actually you have to pay us money

>not liking some EVNs

>Sakura game
>Not the old artist
>It's even shittier and cheaper looking
>Patreon

I don't think princess sims are VNs, user

http:**gelbooru*com/index.php?page=post&s=view&id=2959804&pid=0

Patreon not even once.

Don't worry guys when i finally set up my patreon I promise I won't lock shit up behind that crappy ass logo.

At worst I'll do the usual "patrons get it first" dealy and if worst comes to worst I'll release my shit myself anonymously.

Show art, fagit

Nobody posts sauce to anything ever.

Pic related.

Thanks for that shitty do not spoonfeed meme.

I'll take 'shit every fanartist has said before' for 500.

>wanting source to clearly subpar western fanart
Unbreath yourself.

Cred Forums loves shad

What the fuck you on about?

>Cred Forums loves shad
I know what (You) desire

Too bad this game missed the whole fucking point of raising sims

Japs win again.

I just don't look at Patreons anymore. It makes me sad that I wasn't in the right place at the right time to get a six figure plus income from doing something so simple. Just don't look at Sakimi-chan's patreon. You'll hate yourself.

Since everyone keeps missing it, here's the links user provided above earlier for the game download and the patch that removes the password lock:

mediafire.com/download/jixolu6fu0jd7c8/NoPassMod.zip

mediafire.com/download/4llc7yoyuw3go3a/SakuraMaid-1.0-all.zip

>implying I'm not stroking my dick for several hours a day, everyday

Superior nipponese artistic engineering!

This however, was magnificent.

I'm more than okay with it.

The Patreon model does nothing to encourage artists to improve their work or social sphere.

Is there no gallery option?

Why improve when you get paid fucktons to do minimal work

No, there's not, and they lock two scenes behind a paywall.

>Just don't look at Sakimi-chan's patreon. You'll hate yourself.
Don't have to. Just looking at who is popular and not how much they make is enough. Shits like Shadman, Slugbox and Nitrotitan/Modseven need to be rip.

>using low quality animation as an """""argument"""""
You'll have to try harder.

>Lumping Slugbox with Shadman and Nitrotitan/Modseven
Fuck you buddy

patreon is the most cancerous shit ever
no one should be able to receive that much money for doing the crap they do. I wish governments just controlled what people spend money on, there's fucking limits.

THEY RECEIVE THOUSANDS WHILE CONTRIBUTION NOTHING TO ANYTHING, MEANWHILE PEOPLE THAT ACTUALLY DO CONTRIBUTE TO SOCIETY RECEIVE NOTHING COMPARED TO THEM

I believe Alicesoft (company that makes Rance games) is comprised mostly of women.

Slugbox is a terrible artist with a still somewhat angular "style", no sense of composition, a lot ofshiny highlights, bad anatomy you can't call style since the werrors are so inconsistent yet frequent, an asshole who tries to rip-off several styles japanese artists and is a moneyhungry whore who told GashiGashi to not care about quality but rip customers off by phoning it in.

I unironically fapped to Hilloli Clitton, and I aint even a burger

>Hilloli Clitton
The what now?

I swear to god if I get to go to the naughty corner for this.

shadbase.com/hilloli-clitton/

exhentai.org/g/977011/894217e2b0/
I don't know why it's an actual thing.

Looks like shit, as usual. Japan did better Hillary porn.

Now I want doujin with Shota trump

welcome to captilism

I recommend you stop that. It's fun for a while but dicks aren't meant to take daily marathons like that, I almost broke mine.

Well, I'm sure the dude practiced a shitload, if you do at least one drawing every day and at least one digital colored one every week, you will git gud faster than you'd think, as long you you experiment with styles and ways of doing it and learning the human form and maybe watch some vids about composition, perspective and background design for the full package.

Just set your mind to it, even if it turns out shitty at first.

Fuck you Notrotitan is a bro even if his fetishes don't do it for me 60% of the time.

but this form of capitalism is good

He's a tracer, a thief, can't draw for shit if he doesn't trace some and always has been a short-tempered asshole who can't take criticism like a sane person would.

>see my art early if you go on Patreon!
>sorry, you can't download these versions of the animation, only the Patreon ones!
>see the full version of these images on Patreon!
>I will now stop posting because all my work will be on Patreon!
>wait, you're not a Patron? I hate you then. Go away!

Artists have become just like the video game market, doing whatever they can to Jew you money with this new platform.

>He's a tracer
Got any proof? I'm curious.

>He's a tracer, a thief

This is new. Proof?

All I know of him is he drawfags on /d/ sometimes and his art's pretty good when it's not a fetish I don't like.

Has an artist ever changed what he draws as much as Nitrotitan did? He went from vanilla furry animations to some of the weirdest and most fetishistic sugary stuff out there

I don't have any anymore, but I remember him tracing that potagonist from Death Note for a OC and a furry commission for his own furry commission.

Also it was quite strange when he years ago had some super shitty drawings (and TONS of them posted a week) and literally over night suddenly had produced some decent pictures.

>i dont

stopped reading there

I don't think he's changed that much, and I've been keeping an eye on him for over a decade. He improved a lot and he's come to emphasize and deform much more than he used to, but you can still see traces of his old style in the new.

Are we really talking about the same guy? The Nitrotitan I know has such a distinctive style and odd proportions I have a hard time believing he traces.

>tfw Yeeebis only posts previews of his Enty/Patreon shit on Pixiv now

I just wanna fap to his bigtitted sharkgirl smut but he won't let me anymore.

>Implying stroking your dick isn't hard work

Jelly jewish """artis""" detected

Considering the fact that Nitro hasn't drawn anything furry in years, I'd say you're full of shit.

I will track you down and knock you the fuck out if you ever make a post this stupid again.

Xenobiology why the fuck do I know that...

Had to look him up.

What a pity, I like that artist. I don't fap to his stuff but his designs and style are pretty rad.

>Slugbox doing those things.

Are we talking about the same artist who says he doesn't ever paywall shit and thinks it's shit to paywall stuff? I think you're just talking out of your ass.

The furry one was years ago.

>The Nitrotitan I know has such a distinctive style and odd proportions I have a hard time believing he traces.
You can still see it in some, but other shit is so out of proportions that it dosn't require skill either. He's just good at copying including coloring and shading.

They get actual deadlines, if they don't produce content they don't get paid. No more "Updates coming soon! I promise!"

I'm all for creators getting paid for their work, but far too many take advantage of the situation and cut out the middle-man of quality standards and deadlines.

Knowing that there is porn of her behind his Enty paywall hurts my feelings.

If he did that shit years ago then it doesn't matter. Either way you have no proof but most of Cred Forums is gullible so these people will blindly eat up what you say so enjoy that.

>i dont have any proof of his copying and tracing because he's so good at copying and tracing

fan-fucking-tastic

?

>not donating montly to get some sweet beastiality

patreon.com/animopron

>You can still see it in some, but other shit is so out of proportions that it dosn't require skill either
So are you going to back up your bullshit because at this point it seems you're moving goalposts.

Speaking of artists

>Sunibee is mass-deleting large portions of his work for the millionth time

Why does he keep doing this

it's no longer a donation platform when you can paywall shit

Wait long live the queen is porn? Wasn't it super popular with normies?

Maybe it's entitlement, but I just have a problem being asked for money. Like I got no problem throwing a few dollars to a street musician who just leaves a hat on the ground and plays music, but I would get so fucking annoyed if that musician stopped playing the song as I walked by, held out their hat, and asked me to give them money.

its not porn

its not
user is retarded

>Sunibee
>Some furfag
>Inferior version of Nezumi

Eh, and nothing of value was lost.

>it's okay to mention Slugbox, Yeebis, and Modeseven ITT
>but Sunibee is somehow different

You're not very bright

More like why do people buy into this sort of shit.
What kind of fag lord releases a game then locks shit like this behind a paywall? Don't some japanese devs just work hard in their spare time, or work their asshole's off for an entire year so they can afford to spend the next year focusing and working on their game or manga or whatever it is they aspire to do?

>loli game is on steam
>with positive blurb from kotaku
what the shit
it's censored i assume?

??

I don't think they're mass deleting their work.

>Just don't look at Sakimi-chan's patreon. You'll hate yourself.

Why? She does good stuff and she does it fast. There are a lot worse hacks out there.

Shadbase you, and rule34, have finally gone over the line. This is the most confused my dick has ever been.

The amount of money she gets for it is absolutely ridiculous though. And I'm not one of those people who think it's wrong for anyone to make as much money as they can if the public is willing to pay, but DAMN. That's a shitton of money.

>western VNs
There are three good ones. KS, ES, UAB. Everything else should be avoided.

>it's censored i assume?
The only version on Steam is the all-ages version (that still has some shit like nipples in) but the eroge ver is sold at Jast's site.

It is yeah, but she's one of the few, who actually work for that dosh in a regular and timely manner, and don't have some kind of a scandal going on, so can't really diss her much. The quality could be better if she dedicated more time and effort to a single piece, but when you rush out better shit with your left hand than 99% of DA, then whatever.

But we can.

E-begging causes a huge rift between value and price. Which is what artists like since it can be abused.

I'll forever look down upon all patreon faggots simply because they are making money by begging for it but show none of the humility of a beggar.

Its like you throw 50c into the cup of a beggar on the street and he'll tell you he'll only say half-a-prayer for you because you didn't hit the 1 dollar mark for a full one, I think the reaction IRL would be different.

>>Don't I need to learn coding and shit for that?
Hell no. Ren'py has just gotten an UI module overhaul and is now good enough that with some minor tweaking it's indistinguishable from a professional VN. Get some stock assets and write some porn, earn dosh.

You'd have a point if they were actually begging, as opposed to producing work in exchange for monetary support.

>exchange

This is not an exchange though.
They are putting things on the internet like they've done before - but now they beg you give them a monthly paycheck.

>Playing Manga dating games in the first place
Fuck you
FUCK YOU
GET THE FUCK OFF THE BOARD

japan also supports it's creators buy actually buying their shit, they also have events like comiket so the whole working until you have a finished product is viable.

it's completely different here

>gets mad as fuck over this
You know you just feed us with your rage

Nah, they are offering to continue producing content in exchange for sponsorship, because otherwise they need to do other work for money, resulting in less time to do content.

She is. She's always on her booth in person during comiket. She's camera-shy, though.

>The golden age of free porn is ending
Nah not really, any artist being a jew will just fade out.

do you even know where you are right now?

Sorry but the same could be said about homebrew games they used to be made for free now we pay for it under a new name called "indie". Can't condem one that while indie shit is running about.

This. If an artist is too jewish, people won't pay attention. People are willing to pay artists because they like their stuff regardless, but if they get too greedy, people will most likely react negatively.

300k
three hundred thousand

THREE HUNDRED THOUSAND DOLLARS A YEAR FOR MAKING A SHITTY UNFINISHED CONTENTLESS FURRY "PORN" TEXT GAME

ARE
YOU
KIDDING
ME

That's not even the worst. He literally got almost 200K in funding BEFORE HE EVEN STARTED, on top of the already shitton he was making via donations for CoC. And he BARELY EVEN FUCKING WORKS, TiTs is laughably unfinished after so much time.

Fenoxo is a master-class jew.

Furrys are insane, i would know i used to date one. They can spend up to $300 for a picture of there fursona and they willingly pay it. My advice just get a drawing tablet and draw some furry shit and sell it. You don't have to like the porn but i am sure you would love the money.

Good joke. Now prove it.

You do know a significant number of h-manga artists are women right? Girls like porn, same as guys.

I was really surprised when Da Hootch turned out to be.

>implying
That's fake and everyone knows it.

I saved it off her site myself.

sure you did

>sure let me take a picture of some hot girl in my chair and pretend it's me
I can't believe people fell for it.

Here is a list of all confirmed female hentai artists (in moon): docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1ikLCz8sFKhbLERnr-09RPoIyrkRlJ7xQM6E3hbjVs1I/edit#gid=1670121505

Can confirm, am dating a low key one right now. She almost paid 180 dollars to have her wow character drawn by one of her favorite artists.

Otherwise not retarded. I just don't know what compels them to have their "characters" drawn and pay so much.

I did.

>doesn't provide proof for any of them
Yeah ok.

nope

Yes.
On april first.

What's ES?

>About to leave for class, working towards finishing my degree and bettering myself as a person
>Meanwhile user is sitting in his mom's basement getting upset that he doesn't get the opportunity to jack off over pixels

Classic.

She better play an orc m8 or i am afraid you have to chuck her.

>Nope, it's "him's" also, as "him's" isn't plural.

Back in 1999 there were a ton of hentai sites with free galleries and doujins.

From 2003-2008 or so HentaiKey became big and a lot of sites locked content behind a paywall.

But then sites like Danbooru, Pixiv, and EXHentai became big and we started getting it for free again. It seems to be a cycle, so don't worry.

>doing well in college despite browsing Cred Forums most of the time
it's not even hard, you shit brick

>shitty Western artists lock their content behind paywalls
>oh no, free porn is finished!

Any person worth their salt knows to stagger their releases anyway
Don't release the months content until the period is over. Most everyone I know does that

>Paying for porn

A lot of Japs are doing it now to. They have an equivalent called Enty.

>shitstain who hasn't even graduated and probably doesn't even work to pay for his degree judging adults
classic

That's modern Cred Forums to you.

New age of edgetards.

Radical.................

How the fuck did they even live until patreon was a thing?

Day job. Isn't it great that the internet has provided a means for content creators to live directly off the fans willing to support their endeavors?

Since neither quantity or quality of their output seems to have increased, not really

>WE WANT FREE

>WE WANT PEOPLE TO FAIL

>WE WANT CONTENT FUCK THE CREATORS.

>WE ARE GOOOOD, THEY ARE BAAAAAAAAD!

>WE KNOW BEST.

>WE ARE RIGHT.

>YOU NO MONEY

>WE WE SAY SO!

Fuck off with this retarded anime bullshit.

But they no longer have to work an unsatisfying "real job" and can live off their craft.

I'd say that's a great thing.

isnt this the bisexual rape a lot cannibalism forced threesome buttler 30.000 yen game?

I'm a gamedev and would like to use patreon, but haven't because I have no idea how to go about it.

I can't put content updates out per month, and getting paid per major release or per game is too volatile. It's like I'd have to make shovelware for it to work.

>Artist makes stuff because they enjoy making stuff
>Artist discovers they can charge money for it
>Artist immediately becomes a jew
>Can't view what the artist makes anymore
>SUPPORT ME ON PATREON
Suck my dick

Not for me, since it means that I have to pay what once was for free

>paying money to fap to cartoons

You deserve this.

Why can't you put out minor updates per month?

>All his art is up on sad panda anyways.

You don't pay for anything regardless, and there's still ways to be a filthy pirate or thief if you actually care.

If I ever see this kind of shit in a game for real I will never ever buy it and pirate the fuck out if ut. I will make sure I complete the whole game to just to spite them.

A game isn't a drawing, content can take time and I don't want to purposely break it into pieces and release it bit by bit (this would just piss people off)

She plays a male orc warrior. She just likes making male characters as much as the degenerates here like making female ones.

As an artist, comments like these tickle me
Such self-entitlement

my sides

I guess in the end it's up to you how jewish you wanna be. You could simply just treat patreon as a "tip jar" instead of a paywall. You know, for "artistic integrity".

Here's an analogy: paid mods

>Adtumblr time RI
Why do I feel like I'm not losing much by not giving you my money?

I wonder if that's enough, to just make one with no reward tiers for people that actually care enough to support you.

But who knows until how long they start making demands and shit

>unironically uses "Adtumblr time" as a pejorative
Why do I feel like I'm not losing much by losing you as a prospective customer?

This. There are a few artists that I would maybe give a dollar to because there shit is just that good in comparison but if I saw them on Patreon and they had shit locked down and you had to be a monthly subscriber to see? I would never look at their shit again.

I DONT need porn. I dont need porn to the point its on the bottom of the luxury list. They start being greedy and I will just ignore their existence.

I wonder as well. I'd give it a shot at least, I like to think if people enjoy your stuff they'll support you regardless of whether they get the shit for free or not.

yes and? it happened to me and people actually wanted to donate for my mods,problems you agglomerate of salt??i didnt accept because low selfworth

>use the old reddit trick of parroting the people you disagree with
>even though it makes no sense in context
Sorry, you'll have to sell your Marceline diaper porn to someone eles

Usually it's the opposite. Patreon artists will offer up more to make it more enticing to potential donators. Also it usually means that artists will release more shit according to a schedule and not complain so much about not having enough time to draw due to work, etc.

Of course, there's always free leaks of stuff you see on Patreon if you're absolutely against paying anyone for anything

>donate
No, user. PAID mods

Show us your art. You sound really talented.

hope you get cancer and the doctor says 'only if you put money in my patron', you pay and dies anyway suffering a lot

Also piracy.

Poor ass analogy, to be honest. Biggest problems with paid mods was it destroyed the capacity for large collaborations and made a lot of modders take down their shit because people would just steal their stuff to put in Bethesda's marketplace. This doesn't happen with patreon.

You act like that isn't how the current medical industry works in the US

>Artists should be paid for their work

Not by me they wont. I have billions of other options.

>check all of the CG that's gated behind the exorbitant price of 30$
>it's not even good
hahahaha
good riddance to bad fucking rubbish
good

That's actually what happens already

This is the Patreon of a 16 year old girl that draws pornographic images of the Riot's famous videogame "League of Legends".
She has been doing this for at least 2 years. That is all I would like to say.

Honestly, who in their right mind pays for Western drawn porn? The only good artist is incase, and all his stuff is on the panda already

Right, and the utter fallout of modders suddenly turning into pissy babies didn't happen, yeah? Art still gets stolen regardless if you're some underground shmuck or a fucking AAA studio with worldwide recognition

I too like to be upset at people that don't exploit labor and make more money than me

Where do you live

Sakimichan is about 23 years old. She started drawing when she was 16. But yeah she makes a lot for the same shiny body fanart

>buying porn from a minor

Is..Is this...legal?

Great for her.

But the majority of the "pissy babies" were the mod users, not the modders. And "stolen art" isn't a big deal, because these people aren't paid by the picture outside commissions, retard. The business model is very different.

I've usually found if the female character is extremely lewd, or sinister (in like baiting a husband to do all the work for some pussy) it's usually female.

what i want to know though is what is the advarage for doujins with happy ending that are made by each gender.

I dunno, but Brekkist and Keppok are a heterosexual couple who draw smut comics together and bone each other after.

Another thing that seems to attract a lot of female artists is loli. Guess it's some kind of power fantasy, luring men into doing something illegal

>Memecenter

I don't have a Patreon (yet) and even if I ever make one, it'd be for something not really in your guys'es demographic

educate us and show us some of it

I'm a pretty different type of guy, would suck your dick if you give me a drawing

I didn't ask for your patreon, I asked to see your art.

You fucking hack fraud.

is Cred Forums still excited or did the hype die?

Did she draw Annie porn?

That girl was 14 when she started though. LEL.

Patreon is shit because it does not allow loli. Enty is better.

>Sakimichan
She seems to be pretty good though, why the hate?

>Debt slave who will be working in subway soon trying to act like they are hot shit

It isn't even porn, like I said
You guys wouldn't even be in the intended demo

Where the fuck is her neck

looks cute post more

you should work for indie devs

compensated has traditionally meant buying the game for a one-time fee, not paying a monthly fee to access static fucking content content

i might make an exception for something that gives me continuous access to significant evolving content, like with an mmo that gets continuous development, or if like vh had a patreon or something, but not for some random-ass vn

This is what you've been acting all high and mighty about? If you had a patreon it'd probably make less than Dobson's

her head is in a really odd position

>putting your work on a platform born from a place prone to sjw scares

I don't blame them.

That would be neat but I have no idea where to look
Probably
There's a reason I don't have a Patreon. Mostly because I don't think parents even know what Patreon is.
With a children's book, at the very least I'd have to successfully release one book before starting one and even then, the above applies.
In short, there are other avenues I should pursue besides it

And then you'll graduate and make less money than some 200 pound hambeast writing furry porn

WEW LAD

Tell us which worthless degree you're getting into toxic debt for, so we can have a laugh.

You could have just said, "I hope you get cancer." The rest is implied.

then dont complain bitch

>Get paid to draw your picture via Patreon patrons.
>After getting paid for that months work, demand that other people also pay you to do nothing other than see it.
This is why I hate Patreon.
You already got paid. Fuck off.

And fuck Sakimi-chan's 90% watermark shit, too.

You could have just said
>You
The rest is implied.

>Patreon doesn't allow loli
Shit site indeed.

>Xenophobic
No, are you stupid? Not everyone is like that 2hu faggot that hates the west 'because reasons, lul'. Western websites like Hentai Foundry, Tumblr, Patreon, etc. are on the SJW bandwagon of thought crimes, and a great deal of Jap content just wouldn't survive without accounts getting shut down and money being lost.

ha ha ha ha

how can you even support that statement? Are you just an idiot line cook who hates his life or something?

the SFM Community has gotten this bad
>i know i've only done a couple things but hey support me on patreon!
>by the way everything i do is now patreon exclusive
>and you have to pay up front
>other guy does the same thing for free
>wh-why are you guys giving him attention? I do quality animations! not like you'd see them because they're behind a paywall now but that's no reason you should support that guy!

Bro I'm going to be honest, I don't think you have what it takes to even be a children's illustrator, based on that image.

Just saying "Well, it's for kids!" doesn't mean you don't have to be good.

I know it sounds like I'm just being a dick and mercilessly shitting on you, but I think you need to hear it.

Peaked in 2001

I'll never understand why people care about Sayori's art. It's not even that good.

It's just a quick mock up, not even representative of the final product. Anything and everything is bound to change.
Trust me, any mistakes you can see, I'm already 100% painfully aware of them.

No fundamentals.

>Shadbase

>It's not even that good
Are yo gay or something?

Then why'd you show us that instead of something completed?

>It's not even that good.
Are you a homosexual

it's sexually attractive, at least to me. as for whether it's good, that depends on what qualities you associate with good.

>It's not even that good
It's both sexy and cute, what more would you want faggot

She can only do one thing.

>It's both sexy and cute
it's neither and you're blind

So you're a faggot, ok

It's painfully generic, the kind of shit people who hate anime bring up

Who do you consider better H artists?

I've got a massive fucking list of absolute masters that I look up to. But even leaving personal taste to the side, most popular artists are far better in every way.

How can I learn to draw ?

name some

Yamatogawa
Henreader
Michiking
Ponsuke
Parabola
Yukino Minato
CHOCO
Shiwasu no Okina
Katsurai Yoshiaki
Kekocha
Tachibana Omina

To name a few

you're just fishing for names so you can actually get hard instead of looking at that trash

i'm keen to your tricks ruseman

Name 5
I need them for, research

in what way is it generic? what qualities does it posses (or lack) that make it lower quality?

You have no better artists to name then.
Pfft.

Half of these are okay at best

Fucking look at it. It's literally a parody of generic kawaii uggu shiny blow up doll subpar anatomy shit.
Which doesn't mean there isn't hard work behind it, but you have to be clueless or in bad faith to pretend like you don't understand.

it's anime art
it's all generic

Which makes them better than Sayori already

My dick doesn't care

be honest, if pewdiepie and sodapopping didn't turn nekopara into a meme, you would think it's just another generic piece of shit weeb trash anime porn game, the kind of bland shit you would see on a shady advertisement on a booru site

Just practice man. No one is born with a tallent.

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>4.50 has been deposited to your account!
>you know that somewhere some lonely neckbeard is mentally violating a character you drew at that very moment

Whatever I name you'll say it's bad. Like you did here (btw most of those are top tier)
Just search for popular authors and you'll find plenty with better understanding of anatomy, sexier/cuter face stylization, more interesting concepts, more appealing colouring and so on.

i would argue that the parts of the anatomy that should be right are right and the parts that aren't are probably deliberately exaggerated in order to be more aesthetically pleasing and to fit the style. is there something specific that rubs you the wrong way other than the style?

I'm sorry but it still doesn't look better than any other generic porn game artist you'll see in your typical eroge, so I fail to see why Cred Forums worship her as if she's the coming of the christ.

>people ITT honestly doubt there are female hentai artists

It's a job like any other and it happens to be quite profitable too, I'd be surprised if there was an artist today who doesn't draw porn

The furry community is an artistically driven one; any community that centers around original content and "unique" looking characters will idolize the artists that can solidify concepts into a visual medium (regardless of technical skill or ability; you don't need to be "good", you just need to meet what is in demand).

I paid an artist ($50ish) for a commission before and while I admired their art and wanted to see how the artist in question would interpret my character, it was mostly for an opportunity to talk with them and make a social connection.

Popular artists understand this and can charge a premium based on it alone. It's a very clique driven community and the easiest way to get into a clique is to throw money at its members.

i don't generally act in bad faith, i was just asking so that i could get a sense of what you thought was good

i don't think i ever claimed she was great, just that she's not bad

>sodapopping

kaceytron pls go

I like marui maru as well, personally.

Happubi Jin
Yuuki Hagure
Misaki Kurehito
Koizumi Amane
Cle Masahiro
Asami Asami
Amakusa Tobari
Taro Kasukabe
Iizuki Tasuku
Kimishima Ao
Unasaka Ryou
Oozora Itsuki
Coffee-kizoku
Honjou Masato
Happoubi Jin
Menyoujan
Matsuryu
Kantoku
Koutaro
Kobuichi
Hisashi
Muririn
Marui
Karory
Peko
Cura

Nobody doubts that woman draw smut too, they just doubt that certain artists are women.

Yeh she's ok. But everyone in Cred Forums seems to act as if she's the best eroge artist ever. I mean I'm not saying she's bad, but I think Cred Forums is overblowing it with how much they seem to love her.

sure, i agree with that

>Woman with big titties draws smut of women with big titties molesting shotas

DESU my only problem with her is she seems to be unable to make dfc, so she's kinda uninteresting to me.

Because Nekopara is one of the gateway moege
considering it's one of the few translated ones

If this was any more flat, it'd turn concave

>Think about starting to draw as a hobby for years

>start drawing something, it looks like shit
>start drawing two other things, maybe try to do something different to improve
>quit

I don't have any drawing equipment so I mostly just use pens, do you think I would have more motivation if I used a pencil and eraser?

>you will never get exorbitant amounts of money for drawing loli pussy
There must be more to life.

If you have no motivation now, you won't get any. This is from experience

That girl has budding breasts though.

Drawing takes a lot more dedication than that man
Nobody ever starts out "good," it's all work and discipline

Joke's on you, Patreon doesn't allow loli

>Nobody ever starts out "good,"
except people with talent

...

No, they just started way earlier than you

but how the fuck do I "work"?
just draw?
I once downloaded Loomis and other drawing books but I wanted to kill myself once I had to follow their instructions

nope, i've literally seen kids grow up and have a natural eye for things like perspective. they can't even explain it to you they just see it

You still didn't show me a picture where Sayori draws dfc.

drawabox.com/
Start from here, figure drawing needs good fundamentals

>"I'm bad because I don't have talent, so I shouldn't even bother trying."

That's just a cop-out excuse to feel absolved of failure.

Art is just like any other learned skill, it takes dedication and practice. Lots and lots of practice.

Talent is a myth
The moment you stop comparing your progress to other artists is the moment you set yourself free
Drawing is a constant cycle of making mistakes, identifying them, and making an effort to improve them, same as anything else.
Stop expecting instant success

Considering your definition of flat is literally flat, there is nothing to show