>havent play wow since first month of cata >keep hearing praise about legion >say fuck it and buy legion >boost my rogue to 100 and level >game is even worse than I possibly imagined >nothing matters beyond mindlessly grinding world quests/dungeons trying to get +forged gear >gone are the days of getting friends together to run tough dungeons, just mindless queue with four other fucking idiots that say nothing
Legion is fucking GARBAGE. I feel like a complete fucking idiot for buying this trash and the fact you faggots are saying that this game "saved" WoW, are fucking delusional.
legion is great, you just don't know how to have fun
Nolan Cox
Wow will never be like it was before. Vanilla was the best. From WotLK everything went to casual shit.
Josiah Harris
I'm still waiting to see if everyone becomes disillusioned with it eventually.
Kayden Powell
>upset about game being a mindless grind for gear
Have you ever played wow before?
Dominic Flores
WoW was always shit game. The community is what made it good and the current community is shit. Nostalrius had a good community for a little while but blizzard shut it down. You should just give up on MMOs forever until Holodeck tier VR is a thing.
Jack James
glad an idiot like you is out $110.00 tbqhfam. here's your (You) hope it was worth it
Joshua Morgan
It didn't use to be this bad, at least back then I knew which bosses I had to kill and BiS was actually something possible.
Brayden Reed
wtf i love legion now.
Kayden Anderson
>$110.00
I spent 40 bucks on this turd, I'm still pissed off but how the fuck do you figure I spent 110?
Luke Martinez
>not playing with your friends wow user, are (you) even trying?
Jackson Moore
All my friends obviously stopped playing. I blame the fuckers on Cred Forums telling me the game was good.
Kevin Rogers
post more best gurl
Zachary Price
There's a good amount of shit to do, but it's spread across multiple interests, if you ask me.
I've done up to Mythic +5 bolstering, completed normal EN, and a few bosses of heroic. Heroic dungeons are a joke and if you haven't moved past them you're a shitter.
Fishing is a bore personally but there's the fish mount and artifact rod to get if that's your thing.
Cooking is frustratingly implemented via Nomi, by not telling you that you have all the base recipes for a meat type or something and instead just letting you waste all your mats on random animals. Somehow Nomi bulked up like a motherfucker between MoP and Legion.
I've been going back and doing some MoP stuff. Got shado-pan exalted recently, but the daily/zandalari rep grind is pretty boring too. This game is mostly what you make it.
Dominic Perez
what were you looking for? I'm just trying to understand what you think you're going to do in an MMO
Connor Sullivan
>tfw no one will accept a fury or arms warrior for mythic dungeons >tfw i did all the WoD ones when they were released just fine but that doesn't mean anything
Jeremiah Thompson
I was expecting a group oriented challenge. You can literally accomplish anything in this game without even talking to a single person. What's the point of a MMO if you take the social/grouping aspect out of it?
Christian Long
The fucking thing is 70 bucks in canada, + an extra 15 bucks per month.
Austin Davis
yeah the only thing you actually group up for now is mythic dungeons...
its pretty sad when no one bothers with a World Boss after the day he's released because so many people just show up, tag, and run away while they wait for you to kill it so they still get credit
Mason Davis
Join a guild you fuck. Get a reputation for being not shit and you group up with people you become familiar with.
Nicholas Gray
reputation on a server doesn't even matter anymore
dungeon groups can be mixed server and so can raid groups
the days of asking people on your own server if a player is good are done
Christian Collins
My friendslist has been offline for years now, can't even make any new friends because nobody talks anymore, fuck this game
Caleb Ross
The game has not felt the same for me in that regard since Vanilla. It's been catered to fast-paced play where there's no time to learn and no time for anyone "below you." That being said, I have started making "friends" again for the first time in a long time. Do you play alliance or horde?
Matthew Young
Its just the lack of challenge and the fact the game is basically Diablocraft now is what makes me hate it.
They need to bring back Justice points and Tabards for Rep fuck quest.
Zachary Gray
resto druid here quest asks me to select another legendary weapon and i'm not sure if i wanna go balance or feral.
on one hand balance needs almost the same gear as resto but feels boring as fuck from what i played leveling.
Feral looks cool but needs completelty different gear
Robert Myers
>Warrior class hall campaign mission requires you to send a certain follower >I had him disabled
Jonathan Smith
Funny, switch some words around and you're talking about FFXIV as well!
Blake Gutierrez
I'm having with FFXIV because it isn't shitting on me with gear at every chance they get.
Kayden Brown
feral is way more fun. if you want more versatility, go balance/resto. But definitely for fun, feral.
Cameron Murphy
Pretty much.
Don't forget all your warforged pieces will be replaced with NPC trash, as soon as a new patch hits within two months, or so.
>Hunter Survival just doesn't feel right I seriously wish they just added this as a new spec instead gutting Survival
Hudson Bell
>>gone are the days of getting friends together to run tough dungeons, just mindless queue with four other fucking idiots that say nothing
It's been like that since Wrath of the Lich King. Where the fuck have you been?
Evan Robinson
>tfw when you are part of the problem...
I always figured 'more content cannot be a bad thing!'. But then mounts became "collectibles", as if that was a good thing. My first mount was sepcial. As a nightelf I selected it and commited to it. Getting a new one would be possible, but financially expensive. You felt a bond with it too. It was special. Now everyone believes they are a special snowflake themselves, having 100 different mounts as if they were stickers. But these do not represent anything. You're just one of many assholes nobody really cares about. As an orc on a wolf, you represented your culture, race and faction! Nothing less. Now those are completely diminished, and you can see it. People do not even feel a sense of belonging anymore. Gone are the days they fought tooth to nail against the other faction and felt pride for their own (or shame). Not even to start with how gamey the capitals feel, with all those nonsensical unfitting mounts now. That picture reminded me of that too, though it might just be a coincidence, since I've found it now, after trying Legion. People taking selfies to put on their own social media profiles, as if they were achievments of sorts. As if these people really believe it makes them more interesting or special. Such narcisism. Yeah, that is probably the word that comes to mind. WoW is a game catering to narcisism.
Cooper Murphy
Going to need a link to that +keystone and day 3 7/7H completion.
>HURDUR implying I care about doing hard content I actually have something called a life nerd. My post is actually a thinly veiled shit post that as a guild less solo shitter I should have infinite challenging solo content in an MMO
Cooper Smith
>queue for mythic+ and raids with friends >it's actually fun We full cleared normal Nightmare with tards last night. Was pretty good.
Brayden Phillips
Why the fuck would I bother to keep playing if I hate it you autistic retard? I bet if I did you'd just say next >LMAO PLAYING A GAME YOU HATE SO MUCH
More importantly what the fuck does that have to do with my post other then the fact it screams Diablocraft? I wouldn't be surprised if an MMO for Diablo is being developed right now which is why there is a skeleton crew on D3 atm.
Kevin Murphy
forgot my picture
Colton Jones
>gone are the days of getting friends together to run tough dungeons, just mindless queue with four other fucking idiots that say nothing >queue Except heroics were made useless. If there's no interaction most of the time it's either your own fault, or you're making shit up. Even my brewfest runs have people saying "hello"
Samuel Smith
To further prove your point they added selfies and twitter integration.
Mason Flores
I bet the challenge you just specified requires a lot more from you than just knowing the basics of your class, avoiding needless aoe damage, and using interrupts/cc correctly, right?
>wow such challenge >much difficulty >muh achievement >muh lijum best expansion evah
Christopher Long
>Its just the lack of challenge Have you completed the challenging content?
No but i-its just world of diablocraft now! G-GOOD job giving blizzard your money blizzdrone, E-everything is run by a skeleton crew, ACTIBLIZZARD!!!
Shifty goalposts comment of the century aside how do you expect to find a game challenging if you don't do its challenging content?
Isaiah Myers
All I'm seeingf is that legion sucks because you don't have friends.
Daniel Clark
Is it really that bad there? I see tourists live streaming on selfie sticks in Tokyo sometimes and I wanna smack it out of their hands.
Parker Fisher
>canada looks like the joke's on you bub
Lincoln Richardson
>tfw all my friends got back into it >fuck it I'll give it a try, they say it's not so bad >hop on and boost to 100 >mindlessly grind my way to 110 with no sense of progress or achievment >everything is always as strong as you are >ever set of armor is just a recolor >no new weapons >start doing world quest >just getting high tier Epics for clearing normal mobs >quit playing just as raiding starts >mfw never going back
Adam Richardson
>Game questing was challenging until WotLK introduced Heirlooms you actually needed to be careful how many mobs you pulled or running into an elite camp raids weren't the only source of hard content >LMAO RETARD COMPELTE MYTHIC POOPSOCK MODE++++ HARDCORE NO DEATHS THEN TALK TO ME There is not challenging content besides raiding you autistic retard and fucking normal mode of Emerald Nightmare is a joke
also >Implying I bought Legion from Blizz store and not a CD key seller incase some shit like this happened and using a WoW token from the money you saved to resub Sorry blizz shill you didn't get my shekels this time :^)
Christopher Morris
Have you tried talking, yourself? Sooner or later you'll make some buddies.
Noah Williams
>how do you expect to find a game challenging if you don't do its recycled """""content""""" ad nauseam in 4 artificially imposed difficulties, which only serve the purpose of restricting your "progress" for as long as possible, until at least half of the other retards in your group manage to do their jobs correctly? ftfy
Liam Cruz
Just beat Xavius >My fucking face when the Emerald Dream Spent a solid hour in there after my guildies were all long gone
Camden Perry
When does Balance get fun?
Austin Morales
So how's Cred Forums tonight?
Bentley Sanders
Abysmal as always.
Sebastian Clark
Disappointed that WoW is dead and all the former Blizz founders will never come back to make a game that isn't shit again.
Benjamin Edwards
if enough drones are paying for the garbage they are making, why should they even bother?
Chase Collins
There's still hope... Metzen retired after all...
Nicholas Thompson
>t. someone who hasnt done mythic+ dungeons or heroic raiding this expac
Memes and shit talking aside blizz made it so the casual content in the game like heroic dungeons and normal raids and whatnot dont require any pre thought or coordination and made the harder shit geared toward more social / dedicated players. what i think you are asking for is casual content like dungeons and stuff to be more social. the answer is to either play something else or find some friends and do the harder shit.
Samuel Myers
The story is half the problem furfag.
Christopher Ward
I already unsubbed. Got far enough to get to the mythic dungeon quests and stopped since I don't have any friends that play and cannot find a guild.
Oh well.
Wyatt Bennett
OH it's one of those dumb posts
>the founders made the game what it is!
Tell me Mark Kern was a good dev. I dare you.
Joshua Garcia
>Implying it's still redeemable. I fucking wish user, I. Fucking. Wish.
Adam Carter
>I'm just trying to understand what you think you're going to do in an MMO Some MMO stuff.
Justin Jones
Dream pics?
Took a bunch before I left today.
Ayden King
my guild is retarded as fuck i swear, but i like them as people so i wont leave to progress. what do? im the lowest geared by FAR as in im only 830 and everyone else is 845+ yet im always top of the meters by a large margin and the only one who pays attention to mechanics in dungeons/ raids. we could only kill nythendra and Ursoc this week because my guild is so damn handicapped. someone please tell me how to tell them to learn to play without sounding like a little bitch.
Liam Wilson
.....If the founders never existed then WoW would have never existed you stupid furfag. Activision merger was the worst shit to have ever happened to Blizz
Thank fuck that the fat kike known as Bobby Kotick sold his shares and is probably soon to abandon the company since he is realizing they can't make money anymore.
Camden Gray
>he actually fell for the legion meme
Just wait for legacy servers.
Brody Lee
Best 2 wasted hours ever,
Bentley Baker
>all women doing it
Cameron Harris
I just transferred 5 characters from a PvP server to a PvE server and am realizing that random ganking was about the only thing making world quests fun.
I've made a terrible mistake.
Lucas Baker
MMOs will never be like they were before. EverQuest was the best. From WoW everything went to casual shit.
Logan Ward
1 word: privateserver.
Ian Sanchez
Everquest didn't let you do anything on your own, and even the group content was tedious. Vanilla WoW had the right balance. It carried over somewhat to BC but started declining, then WotLK ruined everything and it only got worse since then.
David Jackson
I sort of agree but shouldn't there be some group content outside of the top-tier areas? By the time you get to meaningful, challenging group content its all stuff that you've already cleared (just bigger numbers) so there is little feeling of accomplishment.
Kaplan made a very good statement about world design that Blizzard seems to have forgotten: Creating content that the vast majority of people haven't seen makes the world feel bigger and more special and different difficulties isn't novel content.
Anyway I'm addicted to WoW again.
Thomas Hughes
too bad your mog is shit
Dominic Mitchell
>Bring back garrison shit when everyone told them to just fuck off with it >Said it wouldn't be mandatory >Currently its still mandatory >RNG and time gating up the fucking ass in an MMO
What the fuck is so difficult about this? REMOVE. FUCKING. GARRISONS.
Isaiah Jackson
>not being a miner with a pickaxe I bet you play panda, faggot.
Ethan Scott
It has been this bad since Wrath. Stop being so delusional. This expansion has been much better than Cataclysm BY FAR.
Leo Butler
I fully agree, I don't like doing the same shit on numerous difficulties before getting to the meaningful content and i wish they'd change that. but as it stands thats really my only complaint about current WoW.
Carter Jones
Looks like something that would drop in a heroic cata raid. Same with a lot of artifact weapon skins.
A lot of the artifact weapons have too much glowy shit all over them so they don't look legendary, they just look like over designed nonsense epic drops. Bring back the vanilla designers because those weapons look far better despite having decade old textures.
It's even more obnoxious when you try to make an alt. Fucking 10 days total of waiting time just to complete the garrison missions. It's not as bad as WoD because there is so much other stuff to do.
Chase Long
RNG for gear in terms of stats etc is the issue is what I meant.
Joshua Powell
>Muh activision
Hey you retarded faggot, you do realize that the people currently running WoW has been there since the early days or at least played since the early days? Afrasiabi, Chilton, Hazzikostas, Robinson, Barriga and so on
Even they realize Vanilla was garbage and have moved on, too bad you nostfags are too retarded to do the same
Ian Rodriguez
Thats understandable
Nolan Hill
>orc memeface
Never gets old
Mason Nguyen
> I too can make meme mogs
Anthony Peterson
>heroic spider lady >transitions to another platform, we follow >arrive there and realize 2/3 of the raid did not make it >repeat This group is not gonna go far is it?
Aiden Jones
It let you do plenty on your own - it just wasn't as fun, exciting, efficient or even easy. Some classes could actually solo rather efficiently too though, as well as soloing mini bosses and what not. Large portions of epic weapon quest chains ( artifact weapons basically that werent free) were soloable.
You could do anything on your own, including killing the guards of a city you didn't like because they weren't super strong or invulnerable.
Jayden Nguyen
>I just transferred 5 characters Haha holy shit you are dumb as fuck.
Brody Williams
>EVERYBODY WHO HATES MODERN WoW IS A NOST FAG YOU HEAR ME?
Kill yourself already furfag.
Josiah Campbell
>you do realize that the people currently running WoW has been there since the early days Yeah, except class-designer, Metzen, Pardo, quest-designers. >Even they realize Vanilla was garbage Sure, shill.
Colton Robinson
>counting someone who left like a week ago as not being a part/responsible of the current content Amazing.
Elijah Morales
>Never played retail /played over 150 days on wotlk ps
David Lewis
If you read all the finals hours of Overwatch articles on Gamespot, Metzen wasn't even involved in Legion. He's been almost exclusively on Overwatch for years now
Cooper Butler
>MUH WOW IS DEAD >MUH OLD DEVELOPERS >MUH ACTIVISION >BUT IM TOTALLY NOT A NOSTFAG XDDD
Just so you know a nostfag is not solely a person who play on Nostalrius but rather a person who is filled with delusional nostalgia
Henry Young
Blizzard-North died long ago.
Kayden Smith
Is this another paid shill?
Kevin Carter
>delusional nostalgia >dat projections
Jonathan Green
Yeah, except that Afrasiabi was the quest designer in Vanilla and in TBC and Wotlk and stating that questing was better back in the days just proves what a massive nostfag you are
Wyatt Wood
>.05 blizzbucks deposited into your B.net account
Angel Long
you're really dumb lol
Isaiah Roberts
Ah yes, the old "shill" buzzword, how original. Did you think of that yourself?
Do you even know what projecting means?
Daniel Williams
>lol
Julian Sanders
>the only reason I hate this game is because I can't wait around trying to get a group for an hour
You actually *can* do that you fucking retard. In fact, the only way to do mythics is to do exactly that.
You have nothing left in your life but to shitpost on a hobby board for a hobby you don't even like anymore. Once you accept this, you can finally kill yourself with the last shred of dignity you have.
Carson Smith
40 for the game 15 permonth
55 for this dick
Camden Ramirez
>Disc is fun but it's shit >Holy is effective but boring as fuck >Playing DPS as a Priest ever
Thanks Blizz
Juan Myers
>Do you even know what projecting means? Yep, and you are trying to project your delusional about Legion on nostfags.
Blake Wood
>$15 a month
I find it hard to believe anyone pays $15 a month for this. Gold is so incredibly easy to come by that I already have 6 months of WoW tokens saved up.
Liam Rodriguez
>gone are the days of getting friends together to run tough dungeons Come back when you've tried a mythic+10 run.
Jaxson Martin
Shadow is good now tho
Jaxon Torres
Any western MMOs gonna fill the void of Everquest Next?
Xavier Fisher
So Blizzard has said they aren't planning on adding more classes, only specs right? I heard that somewhere.
If they are the next spec is obviously going to be a Warden spec where you get one of their cool ass Circle Glaive weapons and summoning various spirits of ___ for different situations that call for them. Probably crazy CC too.
Question is what class gets it?
Probably Demon Hunters, or Warriors. Rogues would work but I doubt it since they got Outlaw this expac. Probably another class that I am forgetting but who knows.
Demon Hunters if they do some lore shit with The Wardens having freed them and then deciding to teach them how to fight like a Warden since they've been helping the fuck out of everyone canonically. Plus DH use glaives already. They could be a plate DPS so they can actually look like Wardens Warriors because they're the plate class who's theme wouldn't really clash with The Wardens and Nelves can be them. Could be like a spellsword build.
Grayson James
>Implying Mythic+ is something interesting
Daniel Peterson
It wouldn't make any sense for demon hunters to be wardens.
Lucas Sullivan
aren't they just more damage + on a time limit? or are there more mechanics the higher you go?
Grayson Ortiz
>What is an evolution of the lore >Wardens decided freeing the Demon Hunters was worth it because they are charged with protecting Azeroth >Canonically DH now basically carrying the fight against the legion >According to DH campaign when you contact Illidan he is with somebody else or multiple people >Could easily be that he and maiev are working together >only 2 specs atm
Alexander Price
>special pet you can only capture when you defeat xavius
neat
Josiah Morris
>Every one I know is locked to every mythic. >Can't keep up because work is 12 hour shifts. "Why don't you just join a group user?" >839 Ret Paladin gets rejected from every LFG >Fuck it, cancelled account today. Sure I can be holy, but I really don't feel like healing. Friends were all tanks, so I didn't do my own tank artifact point dump.
Aaron Rivera
The only gear that will be different between specs is trinkets.
All leather gear has both intellect and agility depending on your spec, and all jewelry gear (ring, neck, cloak) is just secondary stats (haste, crit, etc.).
You can have gear that isn't your best stats, but gear is more or less universal now other than trinkets and your weapon.
Leo Diaz
They're most likely never going to do a single race specific class, and Wardens are definitely Night Elves only.
I could see Tinkers being a new class; people did react really positively to Mekatorque's scenes in the Broken Isles invasion.
Anthony Rogers
Alright, so, I finally am able to do World Quests. Can someone give a quick explanation? I understand I have to do 4 of them, to get a reward. Are these reward what every one is going for, and what is required to get up to raid ilevel minimum? Can you get legendaries from these rewards after doing the 4 quests?
It wont work if Blizzard isn't adding any more classes though
Ryan Martinez
>Cancelled account >When blizz said they will hotfix classes a week after raid hits >Hotfix patch notes already show buffs for Ret
Noice
Jason Torres
Doing the 4 world quests for the rep of the day gives you 1500 rep and the chest can give a legendary, but it's mostly shit rewards.
Jack Ortiz
The rewards are mostly for reputation. You can get legendaries, and a couple rare toys. If you do get gear it is probably 800 item level.
Jonathan Carter
They are basically dailies
Do as many AP giving ones as you can stomach daily. If that is a low number make sure you prioritize ones that will run out before you can play next. If you are in need of an upgrade in a particular gear slot do any WQs that give gear in that slot. It has a chance to upgrade pretty substantially.
Once you unlock withered training that pops up every 3 days. And keep an eye out for profession related WQs not all of them are useful but a lot of them will be. Skinners for example get a regent from WQ every few days, Felhide (Idk if anyone else does).
David Collins
Get the WorldQuestList addon. It shows you all of the available work quests and lets you sort by reward, faction, etc.
The way world quests work is that every couple of days you get a faction emissary quest that shows up on the bottom left of your map.
World quests are assigned to the different factions and give you rewards like gold, beat, artifact power, order resources, etc.
When you do 4 world quests for one of the factions that shows up on the bottom corner of your map, you go to their emissary and are rewarded with the chest. The chest can contain gear, etc and has a small chance at a legendary.
The game randomly picks three factions for you and they are active for a couple days. If you complete the four quests for a faction, you have to wait a couple days and the game will select a new one.
Eli Moore
You get a new emissary quest everyday.
Xavier Kelly
There is a few sort of mechanics added. For example there's the bolstering buff. Where if you kill a mob, everything around it is buffed up. So you have to kill the mobs at around the same time. Can become a real problem in some of the trash packs on higher levels. This is just one of the many affixes that can be applied. Higher levels apply multiple affixes.
There are no extra boss mechanics though.
Hunter Parker
oh i didn't knkow that. So you're telling me there's no agi on my gear when in resto but if i switch to feral all my gear suddenly has agi?
James Roberts
I'll at least get to try after the hotfix becomes live. It's felt like I've been attacking with a wet tube sock this whole time.
Jose Rogers
I don't know what they did with this expansion, but it seems packed with things that appeal to those with addiction problems.
The multiple grinding ladders that drip feed you either new skills, gold, items, or artifact exp. The mythics, and raids can also suck your attention.
And if you are completely degenerate you can clear out all the daily quests.
I haven't seen this in Warlords of Draenor, or Cataclysm - Blizzard really brought out the big guns this time around.
Ayden Parker
Just give me my legacy TBC servers already. +if it still has mogging and barbers in it.
Isaiah Carter
>Wanting any changes to legacy People like this are honestly even fucking worse than the cockgobbling blizzdrones that HATE the idea of giving people legacy servers and actively dont want something that wont affect them
Leo Thomas
barbers should be in legacy desu
Tyler Reyes
Why I said it would be a + and not needed at all. But atleast I ruffled your feathers.
Nathan Rogers
>>gone are the days of getting friends together to run tough dungeons, just mindless queue with four other fucking idiots that say nothing
People constantly say this, but you realize that you could 100% find group members by talking to other people, right? If I post in a channel and ask for a healer, someone whispers me back, at which point we talk and then go do things.
Can you just queue for dungeons with complete randoms and get optimal rewards? Yes.
Can you find and talk with like-minded and friendly individuals and queue for dungeons? Yes.
This complaint just seems to stem from people's lack of social skills considering all the opportunities and ability to actually connect and bond with players is still there. There's just systems in place for casuals now.
Jeremiah Edwards
>removing clownsuits from TBC and Vanilla Not a plus at all. Theres a reason everyone remembers them. Its an integral part of the atmosphere
Wyatt Sanchez
I played Everquest. It was an anti-social, join a guild or die, shithole. Also existed around the time people made it a career selling game guides, so you can bet your ass it was nearly impossible to get anything done in the game as a new player. Player fabricated gates out the ass.
It tried so hard to appeal to Ultima Online mannerisms and failed.
Ultima Online was basically the Second Life of MMORPGs though. People try to think of it fondly but you were basically paying a sub to create content for the developer. Imagine if Minecraft had a sub fee? (oh wait)
Vanilla WoW was the peak of the MMORPG experience.
It's not Blizzard's fault they know how to polish a turd. Blizzard only got progressively worse after Activision merger.
Activation is to blame for Blizzard devs being shitty ungrateful assholes because of the safety net that allowed them to survive the 2008 recession.
Activision Merger also enabled Blizzard to hire random fucking schmucks like Ghostcrawler, Ion, and Hotlinka.
EVERYTHING wrong with WoW/Blizzard happened around 2008.
Andrew Watson
Maybe the original devs also started losing interest in the game once Arthas was dead and the story set up in the Frozen Throne was done. I sure did and so did the people I liked the most in my guild. It was already happening mid-through WOTLK thanks to the introduction of heroic raids.
David Thomas
Are you even playing? I'm on a high pop server and literally nobody talks to eachother outside of their guildchat the community is dead
Nathaniel Garcia
Just because they aren't talking to you doesn't mean they aren't talking at all autist.
Isaiah Hill
Why did the cinematics stop being about the player characters? As seen in the TBC cinematic you can still sell the big bad without devoting the entire duration of the video. Not that I particularly care but Gnomes never got a chance to appear in a cinematic.
John Martinez
WoW is like an old girlfriend. She was fun and new at first and made you feel something you've never felt before. You thought she was the best thing in the world and thought that you would love her forever. Then over time her shit got annoying and she changed and she wasn't as fun to be around anymore. She became more demanding and put out less and less. Eventually you broke up with her and now you occasionally look back on the good times and try to think that you can get back together with her, but you know it won't work out. Legion is like when she messages you on Facebook after not talking for years and says she wants to try to at least be friends again. So you meet up again and at first things seem like the way they were before, but its still not the same. After a few days or weeks you begin to realize that she is still the same stuck up bitch you remember and that you've made a terrible mistake and the only way to move on with your life is to just never see her again.
Alexander Wood
>Why did the cinematics stop being about the player characters? wotlk? you should know this.
Jaxson Gray
gimme a break dude, how delusional are you? this is the perfect game for autists, it requires absolutely zero player interaction anymore
Jaxon Torres
>WoW is like an old girlfriend and how the fuck do you know what that is like you fucking normie
Zachary Peterson
Why, not when.
Isaac Anderson
>join LFG party >"Hey everyone" >nobody says anything the entire time >leaves immediately after the final boss
Daniel Baker
cringe/10
Benjamin Perez
wisdom of solomon right here folks.
Its less than 2 weeks since launch and people are already getting bored. its Cata/MoP/WoD all over again.
"THIS TIME IT WILL BE DIFFERENT."
I've seen heroin users with more self awareness.
Bentley Hernandez
they should bring the old cinematics back
Jordan Diaz
Dude, the only people saying Legion is good are the paid Blizzard shills here. Anyone with an ounce of objectivity will tell you it's more or less the same shit as before.
Ian Ross
They did in WOTLK.
Joshua Davis
>cringe
Brayden Bailey
*tips fedora*
Charles Rogers
How many fucking versions of Dal now exist? I still haven't bought Legion because I have all of WoD to do, but I was on my way to Kara today when I noticed Dal sitting right above. I know that Dal is the main hub in Legion, but I had assumed it was in the Broken Isles instead of just being moved back to mainland Azeroth. I enter the city and it's a weird ghost town where some NPCs exist, but it's missing the sewers and things like bank and auctioneer. I knew something was up and after checking the Broken Isle map, I see that Dal is there too. So why is there a copy above Kara and when did that get there? Is there also a version above Alterac again?
Cooper Carter
What is a bigger asset in raid after Tuesday a ww monk or a rogue?
Ethan Ortiz
Its part of a quest chain you do pre broken isles which moves it to the broken isles
Colton Ward
Oh, okay. So I was in a phased version and once I get do the quest, it'll be gone there? I know the next patch reintroduces Kara so I figured it had something to do with that.
Tyler Rivera
I play on WrA. LFG and Trade never shut the fuck up. Guilds are pretty god damned active. Personally, I hate a good number of people on this server because they're goobs, but it's 1am EST/10:30pm shitcoast time and there's lots of activity right now.
Your autistic experience doesn't mirror everyone else's.
Landon Robinson
I have thought for the longest time Engineering should be scrapped and be melted into a Tinker type class.
Could easily justify giving it a tank and/or heal spec too. Fucking Wildstar had a healer running around with defibs, no reason we can't have something similar.
Brandon Miller
Join a guild? who the fuck cares about the shit you're doing? I maybe ran a few dungeons with randoms, mostly been just killing shit as a guild with 2 people left every boss
Isaiah Wright
I seriously refuse to believe people actually unironically think paid shills exist to create threads on Cred Forums a month after a game is released
you'd have to be one paranoid motherfucker to believe that
Noah Sullivan
We have DH and Warlocks at this point. Might as well keep both DESU and give the class disgustingly good buffs to engineering or something
Ian Baker
WW is fun as shit and you don't have to reroll stupid fucking dice to get buffs.
Evan Perry
Why she look asian?
Ryder Adams
You're fucking full of shit, legion's the expansion where i've seen people communicating the most. I'm in a high pop server and I see people chatting with each other all the fucking time, groups are being formed constantly, hell, if you go to goldshire in my server, there's people there nearly 24/7 just dueling and talking shit to each other.
Learn to be fucking social.
Elijah Garcia
normally I would agree with you but the game in discussion is an MMO, a genre that requires you to subscribe2play.
Carson Morgan
why is blizzard making world of warcraft just like Jojo?
the monk is literally Star Platinum mixed with Crazy Diamond
Gavin Rivera
>yfw this is your BiS until Mythic NIGHTHOLD
Charles Turner
>Guys lets uncap gold >Why? >Because I said so
Blizzard is so fucking retarded.
Nolan Garcia
If you're queuing dungeons instead of finding 4 other people to do mythic+ with you're not only wasting your time but you're also fucking shit
Levi Thompson
>WoW original was fun with friends >played expansion without friends >it wasn't fun
This is news?
Henry Gutierrez
>run df >say a quick "hey" to acknowledge that the other four people exist >nobody replies >only time anyone else says anything is when the tank throws a tantrum because the shaman keeps using Thunderstorm
I'm not looking to have an actual conversation, but it's like playing with a bunch of bots.
Logan Wood
>wanting to play a good game is delusional nostalgisch
Current WoW is garbage and only autistic retards still play it.
Michael Young
The roll bug kinda feels like it would be inferior to sprint when it counts
Robert Martinez
>Dungeon Finder literally exists so socially retarded people can do content >Whine that everyone in it is anti-social
Join a guild faggot.
Levi Fisher
gold caps existed because of engine limitations. Keeping them for the sake of having arbitary caps is just retarded.
Aaron Anderson
Anyone who says WoW is antisocial isnt in a good guild. I'm having a blast shittalking with the guild on coms all the time.
Jose Gonzalez
>clear up to cenarius first night with 25 people >wipe endlessly on cenarius due to baddies the next night >prune group down to 13 with our best dps >2 shot cenarius and 4 tries for xavius Kinda feel bad leaving so many people out but fuck it feels nice knowing it wasn't just our group sucking dick
Evan King
FUCKING HYMDALL REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE
Evan Hill
wtf I want text chat not voice chat I hate blizzard now
Kayden Powell
>tfw can't handle the social pressure at all >can't even apply for fucking mythics >know soloing will only get me so far >yet what's the point of improving if there isn't a goal to improve for
Dominic Johnson
Why do you fags who hate social interaction so much flock to MMO's? It's bizarre, you people are everywhere and always whining that the game isn't single player enough.
Carson Allen
Old dalaran Dalaran in Northrend Dalaran floating somewhere in the ocean during pandaria, accessible through a portal Dalaran above orgrimmar during the siege of orgrimmar Dalaran in Kharazan during Legion invasions Dalaran in the Broken isles
In the course of 6 or so minutes you can teleport to most versions back to back
Levi Morales
I was looking for a reason to bust out Colossal Dragonplate again.
Julian Lee
i've been able to appreciate WoW more since I've been playing other RPG-style games, Grim Dawn being one.
i'm doing the same shit i am in every other game, it's just much better. once you get over the past, you can begin to enjoy WoW.
also, i flew to a mythic and entered the dungeon physically with my character, no summon, no teleport. that's the first time i did that since they introduced LFG in Wrath. it felt good.
the reason people are less social in 5 mans is because 5 mans have less down time now. in vanilla and TBC, a lot of the dungeons were sprawls where you did a lot of traveling (Wailing Caverns, Gnomer, BFD). now there's so little downtime, you get kicked if you try to microwave a hot pocket.
Brandon Harris
>MFW I haven't touched WoW in over two weeks >MFW I just unsubscribed
Carter Howard
You think we chose this?
James Hughes
Is it honestly worth getting back into playing Warlock?
Nolan Bennett
>done all mythic dungeons >ilvl 852 >still get rejected mythic runs because frost dk
ITS NOT FAIR
Brayden Morris
You get rejected because you immediately get 10+ DPS applying for a group the moment you queue dumbass. They can't see your spec in the LFG tool.
Chase Hill
ITS NOT FAIR
William Scott
make your own homosex
Ethan Richardson
on tuesday
James Hill
just learn how to tank and do dungeons as blood. blood's best in slot is full DPS gear, we do not go for mastery or versatility. you would only need to level the artifact and switch trinkets.
Matthew Evans
Item level 851 Unholy DK. You're getting rejected because you can literally do twice as much damage in Unholy with the exact same gear.
Isaiah Bennett
>From WotLK How to spot a wrathbabby in a single step
Jordan Hughes
Interesting. I was wondering why my haste/mastery set was pure trash in heroic 25 man Mists raids.
Landon Brown
>frost dk >frost What the fuck are you doing, user? Stop playing the worst class in the game
Easton Lee
YOULL SEE
FROST DKS WILL BE TOP 1 DPS ON TUESDAY
AND ILL GET BOTH UNHOLY AND FROST HIDDEN SKINS AND I WONT SHARE IT TO YOU
Owen King
>gone are the days of getting friends together to run tough dungeons, just mindless queue with four other fucking idiots that say nothing try doing mythic or normal raiding then even though it still ends up being the same as dungeon finder except cunts will leave over a single wipe
David Young
> someone please tell me how to tell them to learn to play without sounding like a little bitch You can't, you are a raider in a guild of casuals.
Henry Rogers
frost it still last in sims even with the new buffs
lmao @ you
Kayden Stewart
finally someone speaking the truth
These blizzcucks keep shilling this dead game on this board
Elijah Williams
they could make obliterate do 400% more damage. no number tweak is gonna fix DK mobility, unless the number is reduce the cooldown on Wraith Walk to like 20 seconds and make it last twice as long, even then..
Ethan Martinez
>Pugged normals and a bit of heroic in MoP >Guild tried to get a team together, showed up to one try and fuckers had horrible dps and couldn't do fucking Immerisus on the new baby flexible mode >Bailed for WoD because fuck mang it was bad >Guild apparently actually did do some raids in HFC normal halfway into the tier >Came back for Legion, like it enough >Guild wants to do progression now >Come raid day I'm 842 because I started a week late due to BF1 >Raid lead caved on the 830+ and said 825+ for the first week >We're only 5/7 after two 3 hour sessions >I'm almost certain I could be a few bosses into heroic if I just pugged again >Don't want to bail on them now that I'm on their team in top 3 dps >Can feel the burnout encroaching, haven't done hardly anything this week aside from raid days I feel like if I switch to pugging I'll just quit completely but maybe doing casual raids whenever I want will keep me around. Having an actual team for easy quick clears seems great but I just can't be assed to do anything the rest of the week after spending 6 hours painfully carrying 3/4ths of my raid until these fucks git gud.
I just don't know what to do.
Easton Fisher
Find a decent guild. Normal is so incredibly easy it's not even funny. It's LFR tier difficulty.
Brayden Scott
So tailoring is proving to be pretty fucking useless. What should I take? I got enchanting as my other profession.
Nathaniel Bennett
Okay, for real Cred Forums, what would you say are Legion's flaws so far? Because we all know this shit isn't perfect.
>Attunement for arcway/court of stars >Artifact weapon encourages players to stick to one spec and one main otherwise they get left behind >Class balance seems to be more fucked than usual
Alexander Garcia
Herbalism. Easy 30k/hr farming roses in Suramar.
Christian Thomas
I don't have an issue with the Attunement as much as the withered training should be retuned so its not so tank biased/give more rep based on score to reward people going over 400 to make it easier to get rep when its up.
Also additional ways to farm mana would be wonderful.
Artifact Knowledge does help a lot with alt weapons, honestly at +5 you are getting 200% more than you were as a fresh 110 and its becoming noticeable even as you get into the traits costing few thousand/tens of thousands.
Will admit I don't know what blizzard wants to do with Shadow Priest/Frost Mage/Warlocks, just doing random buffs/nerfs at this rate.
Jacob Williams
The attunement is a non-issue since it's easy as fuck. Actually, I would say not being attuned to them is more beneficial because it means you aren't getting Arcway/CoS keystones. Both those dungeons are a massive pain in the ass when you're at +5 or higher. You can get all the DPS traits in an Artifact within ~25 points, which isn't particularly hard, so not really an issue.
Biggest issue is Relics. Relics are fucked, I'm using a blue 790 relic because it's hands down better than an 840 of the same type because the trait it gives is so valuable.
Cameron Ross
Yeah I agree with the relics point, its stupid how there's no crafted ones you can buff up for specific traits or even try to make certain relics to fish for traits. It's like needing 3 weapon drops per spec now but even more specific.
Wyatt Gray
>>Artifact weapon encourages players to stick to one spec and one main otherwise they get left behind
Continuing this, when x.1, x.2, etc, hit, and shit gets over-balanced, some classes are going to be completely fucked. Remember when DKs got the huge nerfbat in WotLK? It's going to be 10x worse here because theres SO much time invested thanks to artifact weapons.
Ryan Campbell
I like legion so far.
Bad points are : -Artifact points -Warforged/titanforged
Aiden Walker
The main story quests are too easy.
The illidan flash back quests should be slightly more difficult at least.
Easton Rivera
50% of the traits in any given artifact grant minimal or zero DPS gain. Leveling multiple artifacts to 20 isn't really and issue once you realize than you don't actually need a good half of the traits.
Dominic Torres
I just captured a dragon and talked with all the npcs.
Then I woke up in the northern barrens.
Sebastian Rodriguez
>gone are the days of getting friends together to run tough dungeons, just mindless queue with four other fucking idiots that say nothing
What about mythic plus mode?
William Ortiz
>-Warforged/titanforged
Whats wrong user? Don't like needing to pray to RNGesus for both a good stat roll and for an iLvl upgrade?
Alexander Russell
The old school dungeon crawl difficulty is still there.
They just hid it in mythic + modes.
Mythic 4 and onwards and it starts feeling like Shadow Labyrinth on steroids.
Daniel Bell
pvp is hilariously bad the writing and design of the central legion story is bad a lot of classes are just mechanically awful or unpleasant to play now (survival hunters, StM, demonology, FR arms) world design is too cluttered and at the same time too decentralized (there's no major player hubs outside main cities, you just run or teleport between waypoints)
still better than wod somehow
Joshua Cruz
You can give it to me with a few paid months. I'm poor as fuck and sick.
Tyler Moore
yup, I definitively hate it.
However, that's not such a big deal, I'm in a comfy guild and we don't give a shit about good dps as long as it's possible to down the raid boss and everybody understands the strats.
I think deleting warforged/titanforged would make the game better.
Or keeping it how it is, except you can use money to upgrade "normal" items into warforged/titanforged with some kind of ressource.
Grinding a bit is alright in a MMO, especially when it's dungeon/raids because it is usually fun and diversified.
But mandatory RNG to access the best parts of the game is bad.
Ian Nelson
What is the point of blood trader coming in 7.1? Why does Blizzard want to make gathering professions so useless?
Justin Davis
Of the 17 traits Apocalypse has 11 provide a direct increase to dps (two golden traits and the active), 3 are indirect bonuses through resource manipulation (one golden trait), 2 are purely defensive and one is purely utility.
I'm not seeing this 50% providing minimal to no dps increase.
Luke Smith
As someone with Ench/Alchemy I'm fucking ecstatic.
Herbs cost way too fucking much on the auction house and I have a shit ton of blood of sargeras to get rid of.
Cameron Lewis
Can you buy Starlight roses with it?
Hudson Thompson
On the PTR you can buy ten per. Which is crazy good.
Nicholas Harris
It's a good thing, the HV prices will drop a lot. Even as a gatherer, I think it's too damn right.
Ryder Martin
you can't buy the rare gathering items though. the only real reason to be a gatherer at the moment. then again I put an hour work into like 20 flasks a guildie made for me with my mats, so that was nice money
William Cruz
Well, its necessary. Roses only have like a .8 per node at level 2, which is where almost everyone is. And you need 2 per pot and 7 per flask. An average raid night will take like 60+ per raider per guild.
The rest of the herbs are a joke, but fuck starlight rose.
Camden Jones
if you could pick and choose which traits to get, maybe. but you need the gold border ones and you're going across the entire grid to get the prerequisites for those
Jaxon Mitchell
It will absolutely collapse the price for mats on the AH, which is not good. Everyone is getting showered in bloods at all times. Gathering proffs will become useless again like in WoD. I agree that mat prices are too high now, but just making gathering useless is not the solution.
Leo King
>when an EN pug invites you but ends up kicking you before the group pulls the next boss Will the buffs even help with the perception that Warlocks are shit? I don't know what else I can do, I only have so many buttons I can press and I'm pressing them at the proper times. I'm so tired of it, I just want to see new content.
Ryan Morris
>Any trait being worth that amount of pure stats Not sure I'm buying what you're selling friendario, the maths I've seen for most specs is that anything that gives more then +4 ilvls to the weapon beats out the trait and that's an edge case you're normaly looking at about +2.
Josiah Peterson
Friendless autists not capable of making friends THE THREAD Legion better than Cata, Pandashit and WoD. Since you didn't even bother learning what bosses drop what then it's safe to assume your the problem. Almost all of us from the A team were BiS pre-raid. Are you even trying scrub?
Nicholas Rodriguez
>getting into wow >after dropping cata when they nerfed heroics you didn't learn anything back then it seems
Jack Watson
Depends on the class. Some specs have absolute garbage for gold traits. >Blurred time for Outlaw Rogue >Your cooldowns recover 15% faster when Adrenaline Rush is active >Literally adds up to 6 seconds for AR
Jackson Williams
Not enough incentive to do world quests that don't give Artifact Power or gear.
Ryder Martin
Nope. For example a relic that gives the +8% Run Through Damage for an Outlaw Rogue is better DPS than a Cloak of Shadows buffing relic that's upwards of 50 ilvl higher.
+8% RT damage is a 4% increase in overall DPS for an Outlaw.
Colton King
maybe heroics didn't get nerfed, maybe people are so used to doing them that they don't seem hard anymore
Asher Cook
weapon ilevel > everything else
Samuel Evans
cata's dungeons were nerfed as fuck after launch. They used to require real CC like vanilla, but they were nerfed after the casuals whined enough
Parker Fisher
Dungeons haven't needed to get a competent group since the 3.0 patch in BC, that was kind of the point, as much nostaglia goggling as you might have for those days, it was a massive chore to get anything done. "Alright kill skull first, second X, mage sheep moon, hunter trap square, if we have a rogue sap diamond." And pray you didn't fucking wipe. Ever since then, charge in, thunderclap, maybe even shockwave, spam buttons until everything is dead. The good part is we got to pay more attention to what else was actually happening rather than checking the previously assigned marks every 10 seconds to make sure the hunter didn't accidentally autoattack one of them. Not that I've played Legion yet, but that was basically still the idea from the last time I played which was probably at least 2 years ago. Sure it dumbed things down quite a bit, but if you want a grindfest play some korean mmo.
Gabriel Bell
>trait A gives 2.2% increase to total damage >trait B gives .14% >trait C gives 0 >better get 15 more int It does matter a bit more for melee. Current guides say my best relic is stronger at 835 than my second best at 850 single target.
Thomas Green
I have done up to mythic+8 on most of the dungeons except for neltharion's lair, and I have firm enough reason to believe that the disc throwers in there will be a goddamn nightmare.
Blake Sanchez
You didn't play cata at the beginning of the expansion, did you?
Matthew Davis
>TFW I have tier 3 SR >Made over a million gold in 4 days since
I honestly don't get pot prices surely the only people using them are raiders and wouldn't their guild be sorting something out for that? Why the fuck is your general Cred Forums tier scrub willing to pay thousands of gold for something they have no real use for?
Oliver Gonzalez
there are people in trade right now advertising to buy peoples blood of sargeras, how do they do it?
Jayden Morris
Top tier guilds are literally sitting on tens of millions of gold because they spent 7 months selling Mythic Archi kills for 500k+ each.
Matthew Butler
>fury still has a bugged golden trait with a 2% chance to proc instead of 20%
Justin Cooper
The difference in int/weapon damage between 835 and 850 is much smaller then the difference between a 780 blue relic and an 840 relic I was commenting on.
Christopher Miller
>except you can use money to upgrade "normal" items into warforged/titanforged with some kind of ressource.
They should tie that to the three armor-crafting professions. LW, BS, and Tailoring are only goood for dumping Bloods to convert to chaos crystals, sadly.
Carson Thomas
>immune to daze because warlock >level 3 rose gathering >broken isles pathfinder >herb mount >level 3 felwort so I get seeds It's just so many roses.
Liam Watson
Why are there so many guilds recruiting warlocks? I thought they were bad and unfun?
Carter Ortiz
yes or no?
Thomas Hernandez
This. Anybody who thinks collecting 1000 zebra hooves on a 5% drop chance is a fucking retard and should be shot on the spot. These things are the reason WoW had to evolve
Matthew Sanders
Massive up.
Joshua Bell
Least played class in the game. Also they are not bad and getting a huge buff Tuesday. Biggest problem with my class right now is the gear that drops from the raid is terribly itemized so even stuff that is 40 item levels higher is worse than what I have. If I want upgrades I have to to mythic+.
James Cruz
>least played class
Monk says hi.
fuck off we're full
Justin Fisher
Pretty good, I don't fully agree with the belt more than 2 glowing colors to your mog is too much desu Have it match chest or shoulders, pref shoulders
Austin Walker
Guilds have no source of income besides their players. They have to pay for pots from somewhere and most can't afford these prices.
Also, where did you get the recipe? I've picked hundreds of starlight rose and never gotten it.
Luis Rogers
going back to the green dagger as soon as I unlock the coloring for the skull and yeah thats the wrong belt and shoes forgot to redo my stuff after getting upgrades
Tyler Green
>Rending paw of ursoc drops >Turns out the sim was using the beta version that had str and crit, live version has no crit >The rending debuff ticks for 11k and stacks 1 (one) times, does 175k damage on a normal fight
Blizzard can you unfuck the EN trinkets please.
Oliver Perry
>expansion class
Bentley Kelly
The way some of the hidden artifact appearances are done. >"Hey we did this huge convoluted quest chain in order to unlock our hidden artifact appearance, how did you get yours?" >"Oh I found it in a dumpster down by the sewers"
Alexander White
Monks aren't cancerous like DH and DKs are.
Leo Perry
You literally can't do mythics or keystones by queuing you fucking lying idiot. You don't get gear from normal/heroic.
Literally lying out of your ass for a thread.
Chase Jackson
l m a o
shouldve just waited to play the public test realm once they roll out max ilvl premades
u get the fix for a week then uninstall and forget about the once was an rpg pile of web 3.0 shit
Josiah Nelson
I run Mythic+ dungeons with my friends every day, and have run normal and heroic TN with my guild this week. Make new friends.
Evan Price
this. so hard. when the cinematics stopped being about player characters and became about lore characters, was when they started REALLY circlejerking the lore characters and ruining the feeling of the game
Nolan Lopez
What is the most fun to play Warlock spec?
Jace Robinson
>BiS trinket is a super ultra warforged one from a world boss >going to have to save up coins and spam them on him
Dylan Young
Its a random drop of a node like all the herbs Im pretty sure.
But my point was in cata my GM made the whole guild go and fish so we could make feasts for the raid. It just seems strange that the demand for pots is so high given their relatively specialist use and absurd prices.
Lucas Thompson
>Rending Paw was just Crit+Proc in early beta >Hype as fuck because the proc is a Bleed and I'm an Assassination Rogue which meant it procced Venomous Wounds >Raid released >No crit >It's Strength >My BiS is a BoE world drop that costs 1m+ gold and a pre-raid flat stat trinket
Why do you hate me Blizzard?
James Wilson
>Rogues, Mages, Druids >not spoiled as fuck Fuck off
Nathaniel James
Burning Crusade cinematic is literally about Illidan and the """"player characters"""" in it were turned into lore characters by Wrath, such as them confirming the Draenei in it is Maraad etc.
Jeremiah Garcia
But every "player character" in the TBC video was turned into an actual character by the end of TBC or WotLK. Literally confirmed at Blizzcon that the Blood Elf is the countess and the Draenei is Maraad.
The Dwarf in the first one is Grif Wildheart.
This is all fucking old.
Dominic Williams
Affliction is garbage. The majority of people do not like demo but still acknowledge that it has the best artifact. Destro is ok but kind of shitty. I think anyone that is as geared as I am would like demonology.
Josiah Lewis
whats even more amazing is how fucking stupid you you sound. >blaming the game you dont have friends to play with and randoms dont want anything to do with your stupid ass
Aaron Davis
Nothing will ever compare to vanilla.
That being said Legion is great and the only xpac I've really enjoyed.
Parker Robinson
>my worst two stats
thanks blizzard
Aiden Clark
>gone are the days of getting friends together to run tough dungeons, just mindless queue with four other fucking idiots that say nothing
>Not doing M+
?
Brayden Moore
>the grind was better before!!!1!
Wanna know how I know you didn't play Vanilla?
Owen Murphy
`wtf I love the original skinner box now
Brandon Rivera
Sauce on grif? And which countess are you talking about?
Caleb Ross
>take out reforging stats >add in bullshit warforge/titanforge so much fun
Josiah Cook
Don't have a main yet so I haven't dedicated myself to anything yet.
Bentley Moore
and how is that the games fault
Jaxson Sanchez
wait so mythic level 4 dungeons with titanforged gear are almost as good as standard mythic raid gear?
Jose Cox
any gear can roll to 895
Jaxon Torres
titanforge adds 5 ilvl with like a 5% chance.
but it can roll up to 895.
So it CAN be as good as Mythic gear. But it's very fucking rare.
Blake Ramirez
good luck getting titanforge on anything.
Eli Howard
>gone are the days of getting friends together to run tough dungeons Have you considered that this is mostly because your friends don't play anymore?
Ian Moore
You ask why I'm not doing M+
Grayson Russell
Because they are necessary for progression. The pots in Legion are incredibly powerful. Usually 6-10% of the overall dps per character for 2 pots. Thats huge. So they are mandatory for any guild seeking to actually progress.
But yes, guilds should have people go out and farm, though I imagine WoD made a lot of people drop their gathering professions.
Anthony Taylor
Mythics drop very little gear.
Austin Torres
i quoted the OP.
Christian Williams
>doing pugs with guilds trying to progress >literally no one except maybe a tank is flasking or potting I farmed all this shit for nothing. There's no way I'm using up my consumables for these fags
Easton Lewis
>you say this as this just drops for me
Yeah, it will never happen guys!
Zachary Morales
Even though Blood is mediocre at best, this week's EN raid made my day when people kept shitting on healers who did less healing than me (~20% total raid healing during boss fights, baby) and on DPS who did less than my 150k. Worth it.
Cameron Johnson
This will never happen for me
Jaxson Gutierrez
>pugs No shit. Not worth it unless you are wiping at 1% and just want to get it over with. But for actual guilds trying to actually progress, no other option.
Aiden Cruz
>tfw when you know that fury warriors are piles of shit endgame but you're leveling one anyways because you like the class
>nothing matters beyond mindlessly grinding world quests/dungeons trying to get +forged gear probably the only decent thing about this expansion is that there are only 4 dailies each day, and there's a variety to pick from
>gone are the days of getting friends together to run tough dungeons are you fucking retarded, you should still be doing this for mythics
Wyatt Barnes
Their price is absurd due to peoples laziness, not due to their crafting regs. Two roses and eight normal herbs isn't a lot when world quests give 40 normal herbs and a single node give about 3-5 herbs. An hour of herbalism farm can earn you 30-50k gold depending on server.
Camden Turner
and someone in the world right now just won a local lottery. doesn't make it any less rare, you idiot
Ethan Jones
you are retarded.
someone did some rough maths on like a 10% roll chance of titanforge, and it's like 2 people a day get 895 titanforge gear.
Grayson Jones
Nothing exciting ever drops for me. I haven't even gotten a legendary yet, outside of a legendary piece of champion equipment.
Rose is the only one that is absurdly prices, and the nodes won't even give most people 1 a lot of the time, let alone 3-5, and there is no WQ I've seen that gives 40.
Pots and all that are rose restricted.
Parker Peterson
honestly the entire titanforge shit is stupid, I have tons of titanforged shit but I wish the tert stats would be on it more often.
There needs to be a system where raid bosses drop shit that lets you socket gear or give it + item levels and tert stats instead of this rng garbage.
Ayden Hughes
Its actually a good system. It keeps content relevant long term. If you are farming something for the 100th time, you can STILL get upgrades, unlike the old days. Yeah, I wish sockets and tertiary stats were more common too, but overall, the ilevel increase is the most valuable.
Camden Ross
Put a bag on his head. He looks sad.
Brandon Sanders
> and the nodes won't even give most people 1 a lot of the time For the people who didn't level Herbalism to +700.
Christian Price
You literally can't get more than 1 at a time, and you only get that with a 100% certainty at rank 3, which is like a .1% drop from nodes.
Daniel Nelson
rose is literally 1 mat a node. if that. you commonly get useless vendor junk instead.
you clearly have no idea what you're talking about.
Charles Cook
>he doesn't have aethril rank 3
Nathan Miller
>get rank 3 of atherial gathering >tfw getting 4 roses from a single spot fuck yea
Eli Parker
I don't know a route for aethril, I can barely find the damn stuff.
Liam Ross
I was talking about non-rose herbs. For roses, I get the grey trash about 10% nowadays with 815 Herb.
Alexander Garcia
>route you just run around picking herbs. its not fucking rocket science
Jackson Watson
Its worse than rocket science. Its RNG.
Leo Wood
>herbs cover azsuna >"RNG"
Dominic Rivera
Getting rank 3 is RNG. I've harvested aetheril hundreds of times and never gotten it. All I have at rank 3 is felweed.
Aaron Lopez
Yes
Logan Taylor
I really should have looked up what the ranks did. At least dreamleaf/fjarn/foxflower aren't worth farming.
Josiah Clark
dreamleaf is pretty good for rare pigments though >mill a nightmare pod >open pod >get an other pod and pigment >repeat 4 times foxflower is probably the most annoying to farm with how the spawn locations and high mountain work. so getting more is nice
Christian Clark
I haven't done any inscription, but I was thinking of making my alt drop enchanting for it. I have about 600 aetheril now and I doubt I will ever use it all.
Xavier Robinson
Fuck no vanilla was fucking shit
Tyler Young
Playable Ethereals when
Anthony Bailey
Maybe during the Void/Old God expansion.
Benjamin Cox
>keep selling stacks of ysederawhatever seeds for 3-4k IT KEEPS HAPPENING
what the hell do people need these for? healing potions?
Nolan Watson
"All are equal and just the same"
Aiden Watson
Make an alt while you wait for that 10 day shit dude.
Brody Harris
I want Dark Rangers. Fuck Hunters, god damn pet fuckers.
Jordan Clark
>days of getting friends together to run tough dungeons
link achiv first
Andrew Foster
how long have you been out of the game, user?
Carson Gray
dailies being repeats of past quests makes leveling again a bitch
Xavier Taylor
We need another mail class. I bet on drakonids unless something really weird pops up.
Carter Green
Just make Tinkers mail.
Josiah Carter
>wants a class >names a race ????
Angel Campbell
>gnomes >relevant Good joke.
Tyler Barnes
8 years. I heard marksmanship do not need pets. But their DMG seems shit compared to the other spec I had. Mind you, Im like a noob again.
Might pull something weird shit out of the dark corners of Blizzards office.
Ian Gonzalez
We're talking classes here.
Mason Jones
>MM are literally top of EN dps aggregates >shit even the barrage nerf coming up won't matter because all the other close top dps's are getting nerfed way harder
David Martin
You're a fucking idiot if you believe this.
Joshua Martinez
A single potion heals for like 400-500k afaik. In (progression) raiding, that really takes the pressure away from healers especially when some classes have very few AoE healing tools.
Mason Cook
>gnome warrior in a suit of armor >a class okay
Gavin Taylor
Fire and Feral aren't being nerfed
Henry Morgan
fights are like 5 minutes at least. there are huge numbers of times healers need to use their cooldowns. a single potion isn't going to help, and a combat potion ending the fight sooner would be a better choice.
Bentley Cooper
It doesn't have to be a gnome user - stop fixating on gnomes. Deathknights aren't exclusively human or orc, monks aren't exclusively pandas.
You don't want a draenei in a crystal mech suit?
Ayden Ward
Can someone post dps charts for the hotfix?
Daniel Harris
What? Sometimes there's just unavoidable damage where you have to pop a health stone or else you get assfucked.,
Jace Miller
I like mystic+ wish they killed raiding once and for all also prot warrior needs buff and tank druid nerfs. 5 man > raiding
Owen Green
MM is currently the only class I have seen that can keep up with mine in raids. >getting buffed by 10+%
Anthony Howard
>2016 >STILL fucking playing WoW blows my mind
Justin Cruz
Monks are panda-based, from the panda expansion, despite not being exclusive to them. Demon hunters are exclusively elves. Gnomes will never be relevant enough to create a class.
Daniel Brown
Well then, I only played it up to about lvl 15. Beside that I played the shitty Demonology Warlock on 62 and a Rogue Assassin on max. Both of them I been told are sucking donkey balls.
Ethan Mitchell
>gone are the days of getting friends together to run tough dungeons >friends
you got me there, user
Nathan Foster
what the fuck else is there to play anyway?
all recent games are dogshit, at least there is plenty of polish in wow and some new content
Logan Baker
MM are the only class that can keep up with me as demonology. I do about 800-840k dps in raids without a legendary or a neck enchant. I don't use runes either.
Tyler Sanders
Assassination and Demo are two of the best DPS specs in the game after the Tuesday buffs.
Luke Anderson
>prot warrior buff That's my main and I seem to handle my self pretty well, just doing heroics so far though. Ignore pain is the greatest thing ever.
Zachary Johnson
200-240k I don't know how I said 8.
Logan Barnes
>Guild Roster >7/424 players online
I'm really enjoying this expansion but it's kind of sad how bad of a world WoW has turned into despite being a much better game than it ever was.
Justin Powell
Jeebus, I guess I am just shit then.
Tuesday patch coming up or last tuesday?
Jeremiah Smith
Leveling offspecs is a cakewalk though
Jose Brown
Heroics are easy as fuck mate. The real hassle starts at mystic +4.
Nolan Wilson
Next Tuesday.
Owen Foster
Coming up. >blizzard bought into the "demo is bad" meme I wonder how fast I get nerfed.
Justin Hill
Yeah, but those CDs tend to be single target/cleave healing. The point of health pots is the whole raid drinking the at once, reducing the required healing by 5-10 million in a single GCD.
Robert Evans
Fuck yeah. I got to read up on that shit.
I been shit talking Blizzard for years, thinking they where shit and greedy. But the fuckers atleast delivers playable shit and you know what you get. Still greedy fuckers but compared to some other cancerous fucks out there...WoW was also more fun than I thought. I can sit for hours, on my own, chilling with daily world quests. 8 years ago in TBC I pretty much hated it.
Tyler Wilson
> Gets into a cesspool guild > Complains about activity
Camden Bennett
>get bolstering mythic+ >mobs don't get the 20% hp/damage buff because banished
Michael Russell
It's a 13% buff overall Doesn't stop the fact that warlock plays like shit mechanically currently. Changing some numbers around isn't going to fix that. assassination will be actually one of the worst specs come Tuesday taking a 30% agility hit to pvp
Samuel Ward
Nobody is talking about PvP you retard.
Adrian Allen
Blizz has stated several times that they try to buff underperforming classes rather than notably nerf overperforming. The current nerfs are not all that notable ones - Spriest forums are mad over their DPS being made to plateau at 100 Insanity rather than Dot damage increasing by 2%/second after that. It takes at least 3 minutes to get to that point.
Nathaniel Reed
The quest where you get to play as Illidan and wipe a raid was amusing.
Cameron Wright
It plays fine mechanically. Get better gear.
Oliver Clark
People praise legion because these casuals can now get better gear than what's in the mythic raid by doing world quests, they can get op af legendaries without entering a single raid
Jace Brooks
What? We only got teeming as affix.
Eli Lopez
It's my old guild that I have very fond memories of. Those that are still playing are also good friends.
Guilds are for the social part of this game. I'd take 7 good friends over 200 lolrandom memesters or tryhards.
Charles Ortiz
>I like mystic+ wish they killed raiding once and for all also prot warrior needs buff and tank druid nerfs. >clueless scrub wishing for buff for top tank Prepare for rage generation nerf tomorrow.
Jaxson Nguyen
Its just xmogs, dont sperg out too hard man. Its not like there is any real change.
Luke Edwards
>no content
>good
Ahaha vanilla toddlers are so funny
Adam Allen
>86% Mastery as Arms >I can still get more Mastery from replacing one of my trinkets
Michael Lee
> I'd take 7 good friends over 200 lolrandom memesters or tryhards. You say that, being in +450 member guild
Charles Hill
They won't be flying any time soon however, that requires them to play out all the content legion has to offer + do EN.
Austin Peterson
top tank is druid nigger.
Aiden Mitchell
>tfw past 100% as a resto shaman
Parker Campbell
Yes and they were all decent people. Most of the guilds I've been in back then were decent too.
Charles Hernandez
Is that why survival rate is only like 70% for druids and for tanks it's 98%.
Easton Diaz
Warriors, before IP spam.
Isaiah Richardson
I don't get it, I'm really enjoying the game for what it is, why do loads of people seem to have a problem with it. If you don't like it just unsub.
:^)
Mason Hughes
No, Prot Warriors are currently head and shoulders better than any other tank. It remains to be seen how they will be after the nerf.
Lincoln Howard
Enjoy no procs on tuesday
Camden Robinson
>nerf rage generation >uncap damage in pvp instead
Tuesday gonna be a shit show with Warriors having 3 million absorb shields in pvp.
William Nelson
>blood dk the worst tank Nothing new here. Last time they were not bottom of the pack was what, ICC?
Jaxon Lewis
Nobody talks to anybody anymore. There is no casual socializing left in the game which makes me wonder why it's a fucking MMO in the first place. The only places you actually interact with other players are instanced dungeons and arenas. There's no world PVP and there are barely any quests that require groups.
Ian Anderson
>keep getting mastery as unholy DK >I really just want crit and haste
Ryder Robinson
Yeah this.
Sebastian Gomez
Mythic raider here
I don't talk to anyone outside of the guild cause they're filthy plebs and casuals, go qq some more
Nathan Richardson
>no world pvp
HAAH WAAW
Levi Davis
Class balance is only more fucked because of artifact power locking you to your spec. That's honestly the expansion's biggest problem and if they put artifact power on your character instead of your weapon it'd be fine.
Attunements are fine btw, git gud.
Brayden Ramirez
Because of how exponential artifact costs are, and because of how exponential artifact knowledge gets, its REALLY not that hard to level an alt spec. You will be able to keep an alt spec only a few traits behind for the cost of a single trait in your main spec, maybe even less than a single trait.
And as for balance, they haven't crippled any spec yet. Yeah, you get knee jerk faggots crying because their obviously ridiculous niche is getting brought down a bit, but overall most classes are getting buffed up, and the ones that are getting nerfed are just having their ridiculous niches nerfed down to being only good, rather than broken OP.
And a few trait points don't really matter. Most non gold traits are worth 1% or less extra dps per point, with only a few exceptions, and even most gold traits are only like 5% more dps. Being 3 trait points behind is only going to be 7-8% dps loss in the most severe situations, and probably closer to a 2-3% dps loss. Especially in a couple months when it will take like 3 days of AP farming to fill out all the traits in your OS artifact of choice.
Tyler Mitchell
I was thinking the same way until I started random people for mythic+ Shitters who can't read the fucking LFM description and stay silent get filtered before start, good (and social) players get added to have more runs with later.
Nolan Price
You need to learn to socialize, you talk and talk about people being social when you can't even take the first step to start up a conversation yourself.
Been in plenty of groups myself where once you start up talking people talk the whole group session about the game and all sorts of shit. I ran across people talking in the open about the fishing artifact and other shit. People run up when I'm leveling an alt kill some mobs ask if they wanna quest together and you make friends that way.
You just suck at socializing.
Levi Garcia
Soon.
Kayden Clark
> Shadow priest > Haste is 2.5 times more valuable to me than Mastery
Hunter Richardson
>just want as much mastery as I can find as a balance druid. >have never seen a haste heavy neck all expac >have never gotten a haste trinket ever
It hurts to be. I'm getting beaten by about 10% by a druid in my guild, purely because he has like 3k more haste than me because he managed to actually find all of the above, a legendary, and about 3 more ilevels worth of gear on top of that. I just want haste dammit.
Wyatt Allen
I have the same problem. The game keeps giving me vers+mast gear as tank all the time. There is a whole bag of that 870+ ilvl crap that would simply shit on my stat allocation. 20% crit 20% haste 45 motherfucking % mastery is not good. Switching to unholy loot spec for next week.
Kevin Hughes
WoW after vanilla is a fucking garbage. > hire people to make wow > throw them out in the middle of the project > start exploiting skinner-box instead of any sensible mechanics creation > nerf hard-to-play classes because canadian lumberjacks whine how they cant win against anything because it`s to hard to mash three buttons in the right order and if you ask them - they cant play other "imba" classes because then they get killed by mobs constantly > end up in casual shit skinner box without any political or social mechanics full of different xp-bars, a shit-ton of collectibles and ruined lore > sabotage WhO:AoR > lose DOTA to Valve > try to snatch DOTA and TF by poorly copying it and adding more kinderschema, more skinner-boxing and massive PR > Blizzard is dead, because mike (((morhaime))) is a retard interested only in losing money in poker and after indie-games boom [Thanks, Gabe] he cant steal others people work so easily > the only thing they have now is whining about how "we wuz game devs n sheeit" and "plx by our aaa-shit, we are creating now just because we are old and too big to fail"
Same goes for bethesda.
Angel Price
Have you literally never touches Mythic dungeons, or are you just meme posting? I've run like 20 mythic dungeons since release and not a single one had even one silent player.
Benjamin Wright
Of course not. People don't talk to each other unless they have to work together.
You don't talk to people you walk past on the street or on the train or bus, it's the same in WoW. The game is just a scenic bus tour and you're just looking out the window along with a group of other people.
Lincoln Butler
How is blood doing in EN? I haven't raided as it yet but my guild needs me to fill in for someone who had a schedule change tomorrow.
Levi Bailey
Fuck I meant haste. Mastery is garbage. Why is mastery such garbage for so many classes?
I imagine mastery will be better if I can get dreamcatcher and like 40% haste, but until then, fuck mastery
Nolan Williams
Tokens are 66k in europe retard
Oliver Green
I feel your feelings deeply.
Owen Watson
You're a fucking moron.
I played this game for over five years. Never had any issues with socializing. Doing dungeons used to REQUIRE socializing, not pushing a fucking button. I can do as many first steps as I like, nobody replies while I'm doing dungeons anyway.
This is just my observations from playing a trial for three days and it was nothing but negative. Completely lost all interest in coming back.
Aaron Rodriguez
What ilvl is that Fran's and how much did it cost?
Luke Fisher
>need as much haste as possible as demolock to make sure you're rotations can be achived >every piece of gear is mastery >55% Mastery, 17% haste
Suffering
Julian Edwards
>playing a trial for three days
Aaron Roberts
23k. I think I won the bid on it. I got really lucky getting this thing.
Caleb Taylor
What's the problem?
Angel Hall
Cenarius HC will have you spec into Rune Tap to reduce corruption spread on P2, or you will shit up the whole area with your NO-MITIGATION. On Xavius, after dispelling, blackened will kill you without a defensive CD (yours, then healer's). Other tanks have more CDs so they are not in a constant seesaw HP state during late P2-3.
Other than that devs never listened to feedback regarding bone shield removal by every fucking tick of DOT so on almost every boss fight so you will spend all your runes on marrowrending even when not actively tanking.
Joseph Young
Would have easily paid 80k for it.
Noah Davis
>playing WoW any longer than 3 days
kek
Eli Powell
Noice.
I sold an 845 version of that for 100k in week 2. 830 for 30k same week.
Adrian Phillips
>400 aetheril later >still rank 2 Help.
Tyler Wood
>Tfw you can't find ANY of this good gear for a reasonable price on AH or from any sort of instance.
Just how am I supposed to get good loot if people won't even take me for heroics?
Zachary Ross
>tfw the skies are filled with flighthackers picking literally every herb and leaving entire zones fucking barren
Alexander Martin
Realm hop addon.
Blake Flores
>people still believe this is a good xpac toplel its time to move on guys
Joshua Mitchell
Find a good guild.
>I'm t-too anti-social to find a guild
Go play Diablo or something.
Colton Miller
>Cata Experimental blood shield mechanic gets fumbled out of the game because it doesn't block the new mandatory stacking debuff tank switch system so we get 3 stacks in the time it takes other tanks to get 1.
>Legion Experimental bone shield mechanic gets fumbled out of the game because it gets consumed by dot ticks and on top of that we have no DR anymore more because 'muh train tanking health based tank'
It's like they don't learn.
Blake Wilson
You can craft pure stat gear if you have the profession for it. Obliterate what you don't use. My shoes and bracers are impatient, which is pure haste.
Luke Powell
Salty as fuck demon hunter detected
Eli Cooper
Literally even guild I've approached don't want "a shitty demolock that has no gear"
Joke will Be on them by Tuesday
Anthony Ross
>enchant neck - mark of the claw
Luis Evans
I unsubbed weeks ago so
Kevin Lopez
grats mon
Brandon Lewis
Stay mad edgelord
:^)
Tyler Cruz
DESU, all expansions on wow where shit and vanilla was unfinished AF. Only baby duck syndrome holds people to this piece of crap. It had some value until about 2007, then gone worthless.
Noah Morales
>DHs getting nerfed >no longer get globalled in wpvp
Post >yfw you're going on a DH ganking spree
Levi Roberts
the forums are already talking about how shit legion is kek Activision really did murder this company
Robert Wright
>tfw demolock
I've got the names of every toon that's ganked and camped me since the beginning of the expac, and now it's time for revenge.
Brandon Morris
...
Adrian Perez
>only played WoW as a teenager because older brother had a job and a subscription >stopped playing when he eventually got his own PC >thought it was shit at the time but realise now it was a blessing in disguise and gave me the time to play genuinely better games (Guild wars 1)
this was before the first xpac came out for WoW so don't even think about factions you fucking dog cunts
Hunter Russell
Imagine, I got wrecked by a DH during vampiric blood once. That was 5.2 mil HP. I bet my attacks felt like a WQ boss to him.
Caleb Turner
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James Wilson
It's because we secretly crave social interaction but are never of the mind to actually do so. It's a never-ending awkward Hell that I don't expect any social person to understand at all.
Benjamin Adams
>decide to take a break from playing during the weekend >come back >open AH to sell some ores >mfw someone broke the market and now leystone ore is 4g a piece
Daniel Gray
>nobody talked to me in a couple of easymode dungeons so clearly nobody is social ever
You sound like an idiot nobody should be talking to anyway.
Aiden Barnes
manabreak and reverse magic don't even work correctly, DHs will probably just take momentum to compensate for nerfs in pvp - you won't pick on us skilled DH's any time soon.
Thomas Parker
>Fell for the mining meme >meanwhile I'm selling Potion of old wars for 1.1k each
Gavin Brooks
>tfw stamina flasks cost 10k on your realm
Henry Nguyen
>"""skilled""" DHs >"""""skilled"""""
Ayden Peterson
>""""Skilled DH'S""""" >Like us
Thomas Harris
>fucking dogshit easiest flasks to make >10k What. I can easily make a stack of them farming for an hour.
Jack Sanders
What is supply and demand
Zachary Gonzalez
>Buy one of those Mechanical-taming items for 400 gold because the Engineer was handing them out just for a single Felwort >Go grab all of the interesting BRAND NEW, EPIC mechanical pets >Immediately bank them because they have ZERO racial abilities and I require a Mortal Wounds/Bloodlust/Battle Rez/Spirit Heal comp and Water Walking is too good to pass on
Wow, it's fucking nothing! Gotta love how more than half our pet families have jack all for skills and are carbon-copies of the barebones WoD talent system, the worst pet interface of them all.
At least Titanstrike is the only non-dogshit Artifact for us Hunters. Apparently according to the knowledge lore on it, it was the first gun made EVER. Pretty hardcore.
Owen Gray
>>game is even worse than I possibly imagin oh fuck off >>nothing matters beyond mindlessly grinding world quests/dungeons trying to get +forged gear what the fuck does that even matter? nothing matters? in what way should things matter and in what ways do they not? it's still the same game, you do quests, you do dungeons and raids, you get gear with world quests, you have more options than ever >>gone are the days of getting friends together to run tough dungeons, just mindless queue with four other fucking idiots that say nothing done mythic dungeons? like, where you get people together and then do a hard dungeon, and then get a keystone and run the dungeon on an even harder difficulty and get better loot until you fail? or are you not good enough?
>Legion is fucking GARBAGE. I feel like a complete fucking idiot for buying this trash and the fact you faggots are saying that this game "saved" WoW, are fucking delusional. you are literally a fag the game was a big improvement and made a lot of great changes to the game world quests are fun without feeling mandatory, suramar is a gorgeous zone, the city part is the best city we ever had in wow, arcway is an awesome dungeon that feels more open and explorative, like dungeons used to be, artifact weapons are fun and the class flavour with order halls is amazing don't listen to this fag, the expansion is only 40 bucks, just try it out been playing for a month now and I still have things to do haven't even gotten around to doing all the other artifact questline on all the other characters and I play 10-12 hours a day cause I'm a neet and they're already preparing 7.1 with a new 9-boss dungeon, a new 3-boss raid and new quests in suramar seriously, give it a chance what do you have to lose? 40 bucks? I spend more on alcohol or fast food or a visit to the cinemas in a single evening
Noah Martin
Burning crusade was the only good thing about world of warcraft Gummycraft WHEN
Owen Cook
>what the fuck does that even matter *mean
Ryan Nguyen
>arcway is an awesome dungeon that feels more open and explorative, like dungeons used to be That's a huge exaggeration and arcway is linear.
John Barnes
>gone are the days of getting friends together to run tough dungeons The fuck? I've been running dungeons every day with guildies and having a ton of fun. This is the most I have enjoyed WoW since the first week after I started playing the game.
Adrian Morales
arcway is not linear at all, here's the map how is this linear?
Jonathan Peterson
Get off PVP realms, period. The GMs do nothing.
Ryder Ramirez
never met one
Nathaniel Rodriguez
>Shadow priests, DK's and DH's at the bottom Post >yfw
Luis Morris
Only one direction opens during a single run. Clockwise or counterclockwise.
Isaac Collins
>FotM shitter BTFO
Dominic Ward
I'm feeling a bit disappointed at shadow priests right now. The spec is pigeonholed around shadow word: suicide and it's already being hit with a huge nerf bat despite being outperformed by arcane mages on every single fight except heroic xavius according to Warcraft logs and arcane mages are in fact getting buffed.
Matthew Jackson
And its a pain in the butt for mythic+
John Campbell
>That jump for Fury
Asher Miller
>fire mage >get haste and versitality Atleast arcane got buffed, that spec is fun and the staff keeps shittalking the group
Juan Nelson
>Elemental shamans now better than hunters/dk's/shadow priests and best of all Demon hunters
Dominic Young
>gone are the days of getting friends together to run tough dungeons, just mindless queue with four other fucking idiots that say nothing Wat. To me, those days have returned with Mythic+ system. The only way this couldn't be true for you is if a) you don't run the tough dungeons, or b) you don't have any friends, which in either case means the problem lies entirely with you.
Jeremiah Butler
>fall for the "they fixed it" meme in WoD >don't fall for it this time >mfw reading all the threads with people who got scammed by blizzard employees posting on Cred Forums
Connor Torres
>Doing it for free
Ayden Turner
source?
Benjamin Clark
t. schizo faggot who usually pretends to be a subbed person unsubbing for vague reasons other than hearsay
Caleb Robinson
this bait is really good, subtle aspects to it. nicely crafted
Nathaniel Bailey
>boost my rogue to 100 and level >game is even worse than I possibly imagined Are you retarded? >skip entire game >w-why is it so much worse than before!
>gone are the days of getting friends together to run tough dungeons, just mindless queue with four other fucking idiots that say nothing Get a fucking friend to play with you and have a good time you cuck. My friend and I just chill while playing and have a good time. MMO's are multiplayer games.
Camden Cruz
Technically true, but would you ever run it any other way regardless? As much as I love old BRD, we only ever used the one route anyway, skipping Baelgar every time.
Owen Anderson
literally haven't played or posted in a WoW thread since early WoD, kill yourself my man :)
Jayden Clark
These are the same simulations that said DH were like 5th or 6th and yet they were consistently on top. It also said demonology warlocks are in the top 10 and they are fucking garbage
This shit is inaccurate as fuck
Ethan Young
>nothing matters beyond mindlessly grinding world quests/dungeons trying to get +forged gear WOW IT'S TOTALLY NOT LIKE YOU HAVE BEEN DOING EXACTLY SAME SHIT LITERALLY EVERY EXPANSION
Wyatt Barnes
>Doesn't know how sims works/calculates
Josiah Richardson
>feel like having a harder time to keep people alive in pvp as resto druid >see the stats >resto druid is the lowest healer in arena based on representation and placement in top 100 >this was supposedly after the 10% nerf on other healers and 5% buff on rdruids Well, at least we aren't ele shamans, r-right?
>ele shamans have 0 representation
Bentley Perez
>what the h*ck b8
Charles Lee
Legion is a tanaan jungle sized expansion, in that it's tanaan jungle, just bigger where apex is now call artifact power. They clearly learnt nothing from WoD. Most the people I played with are suddenly not logging on much. I'm struggling to get people even interested in a Mythic 5man. And no one want to fucking heal.
Gabriel Perez
>do maw +2 to recharge a depleted stone >takes forever because we keep having to replace dc dps >finally get it done >get arcway +3 >with pugs, decide to just do it for loot, don't care if we beat timer >70% through, 5 mins left >Pug healer: "yeah, don't think we can make it in time" >he leaves >now can't complete and get loot because Blizzard don't allow you to replace and get loot Why the fuck are pugs so retarded? Why not stay and get the loot, that's what we said we'd do in the first place? Now no one gets anything, except for another depleted stone. FUCK.
Oliver Green
>mythic + >replacing group members in the middle of a run That's not how it works.
Joseph Davis
>takes forever because we keep having to replace dc dps
Why are you going on the internet and telling lies user?
Kevin Lewis
What are you not getting here? Did you read the post? Maw was already depleted. Every time we had to replace, we'd have to reset. Which didn't matter too much, except it extended 25 mins to 2 hours.
>ITT: Ass-blasted casuals cry because this time they didn't get an expansion focused solely on them Fucking kill yourselves, you worthless sacks of shit.
Evan White
>in mythic+2 arcway >healer goes afk on second boss >clear the rest of the instance without him Maybe you should try getting good.
Matthew Anderson
>Demon Hunters >Wardens
Easton Thomas
I guess. We couldn't realistically do that. Whether that means we were bad, had the wrong classes for that, +3 being that much harder than 2, or ilvl 845 being to blame, it was a shit experience. And I think, while I understand why the limitation of replacements is in place, it's a bad solution to a small problem that will fuck over innocent people more than the griefers it was meant to counteract.
Angel Price
The only thing I could thing of is if they added like a Dota 2 style pause, freezes the instance and the timer and have it be a vote but anyone can unpause.
Alexander Butler
Has anyone considered that mythic+ timers are fucked up? Its so easy to do nelth +10 or eye but even +2 court will make you struggle to meet the timer.
Jace Rivera
>Attunement for arcway/court of stars >Bad >Artifact weapon encourages players to stick to one spec and one main otherwise they get left behind Agreed because I got double fucked by rolling paladin instead of DH as tank in my guild >Class balance seems to be more fucked than usual Business as usual
Brayden Torres
>Gnomes will never be relevant enough to create a class Gnomes have never been relevant, they are just an excuse to add not-steampunk shit to the game and go Bazinga.
Bentley Wood
It's a difficult problem, but I honestly don't think the current solution is a good one. If someone in your groups internet dies, you're fucked. Computer crash? You're fucked. Unexpected guests, home emergency, crying children? You're fucked. Pug just decides he's an asshole? You're fucked.
I know that, of course there would be guilds abusing pugs to so the work, only to replace them with guildies at last boss if the system wasn't here, but I feel like it's an inelegant solution to that problem. I also realize that, if replacements would reset the run entirely, people would speculate and abuse it when they couldn't beat the timer. So I don't know how you should go about it, but fuck me if I wasn't soul crushed last night when that shit happened.
Evan Foster
>Don't like needing to pray to RNGesus for both a good stat roll There is no secondary stat roll on dungeon gear anymore
James Miller
I think one solution may just be to have depleted stones give gear *IF* you recharge them, to prevent people farming depleted stones.
Right now there is the grief potential to just leave, you still get gear but probably won't beat the timer and now you have a depleted stone and NOBODY wants to run with a depleted stone unless its a guild thing and they are going to run it again right after recharging it, and we have some groups advertising it as a run but not letting people know its depleted to try and screw people out of their time for nothing.
Julian Wilson
It makes sense, but it also softens the "risk" of running, since it means you essentially have infinite tries to beat the timer with loot. On the other hand, you could do that, and then still have it not count towards your Order Hall chest so you can do it, recharge, get loot, but it's still more rewarding to do it proper first try as intended. Actually, I like your idea now.
Jose Watson
>and we have some groups advertising it as a run but not letting people know its depleted to try and screw people out of their time for nothing. So we had a depleted run recently. Advertised it as such on LFG.
20 minutes in a retard mage starts shouting WHAT THE FUCK WHAT IS THIS WHY DOES THE ICON SAY IT GIVES NO LOOT WHAT I don't have time for this bye And he leaves. So you see, they will ultimately screw _you_ over.
Grayson Diaz
I still wonder why no one camps this spot 24/7
Mason Fisher
The premade group finder needs to be reworked with Mythic+ in mind for one but it goes both ways. The mage was at fault but I've seen the opposite plenty of times.