Why is India so poor?

why is India so poor?

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100% genetics

Too many people.

because they worship false idols

I bet its still better than Brazil. Is there a country worse than Brazil?

A billion fucking people to take care of with shitty economies since colonialism ended if you don't want a non-meme answer.

The caste system doesnt help.

Indians are highly intelligent

"Nah"

A lot of India isn't even educated and grows up with religion desu.

you still have to be functionally retarded to average an 81

What about the fact that IQ isn't really set in stone? Or that you can increase your IQ by repeating the exam over and over?

A lot of African countries have increased their IQ by quite a bit over the last decade. Nigerian literacy within the UK is said to (allegedly) surpass white Brits within a certain amount of time.

They have more than 1 billion people, they are not smart on average, but with so many people there must have some smart ones

ingrained caste system hinders development as confucianism infested joseon korea showed before japanese intervention.

yeah. intelligent to shit everything

Certainly more intelligent than an above average negrospic

Indians have definitely been by far intellectually superior to Koreans throughout history and obviously more influential.

Look up the Flynn Effect. Within only a few decades, without the disease and malnutrition, Indian IQs will equal and surpass those of more developed countries.

But if you want the real answer to why India is poor: All of India's leaders until only 2 decades ago were adamant socialists, starting with Nehru who was part of the Fabian society.

Hate this meme. Why do you think it's genetic? Why are diaspora Indians so smart and successful?

He's just sharting white trash. Ignore him. White Americans on this board are usually computer geeks who get mad that Indians have all the best tech jobs in America.

all brown people are poor

nepal is a fake country stuck between indian and chinese clay, shouldn't be worthy to be included quite honestly

Maybe in Russia. Indians are the richest, most educated group in the UK, the US, Norway - pretty much every country in the world that has a settled community.

Culture plays a massive factor, which is why Pakistanis are so low.

That's because those are the top 1% of Indians who have competed to self select as migrants, meanwhile a good quarter are illiterate

Pajeet pls. Your people couldn't invent the toilet until right now.

Nah. Most of the vast majority of Indians who migrate are Patels, Christians, and Punjabi Jatts who come from average farming communities, so not really anywhere near the 1%. There is some selective migration through H1B, but most of the Indians who migrate do so through their relatives.

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That doesn't explain why the Chinese were also fucking poverty and shit until recently, and their IQs are far higher than yours.

Nice try, Poodeep Singh.

Ironic. The Indus Valley Civilization invented the toilet, running water, grid cities, etc. Koreans have had almost no historical achievements in relation.

Overpopulation, the British, and socialism have just wreaked havoc on India. But that's fine - within half a century, India will be relatively prosperous. It'll be challenging because India is taking the services route to prosperity as opposed to through manufacturing as in China.

But it's an exciting time to be Indian. Every day a new infrastructure project rises from the ground, even through India's complicated but streamlining bureaucracy. Between the daily developments in scramjets, satellites, AI, computing, green energy, I wouldn't have it any other way.

Chinese IQ stats are fake. All those IQ studies are by the Chinese government. Nice try Billy "The Shartinator" McShartson.

It's not Indians with shitty jobs pushing their average income high, what's your source on most legal inmigrants not being educated/skilled? And even so families share genetics/culture, someone who beats whatever thousands it takes to qualify as a legal migrant probably doesn't have dumb relatives. The point stands this isn't a random sampling of inhabitants of rural India, they do self select strongly.

The Chinese have of a tough education system that inflates IQ scores because they are so used to taking tests over and over again.

Sauce on invention of the toilet? This is interesting

sv.uio.no/iss/english/research/projects/eumargins/publications/theses/sekina-master.html

Read this Norwegian study that shows the children of poor, unskilled Indian laborers become part of educated elite in Norway.

My other proof is just anecdotal. Most of the Indians I know, including myself, come from poor Indian backgrounds. One family friend hadn't even passed middle school before becoming a multi-millionaire.

Which admitedly acknowledges IQ scores are biased towards people more used to continuous tests, which isn't necesarily the best education systems or the smarter students.

Academic sources are too hard to find without database accounts.

But here:
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Indus_Valley_Civilisation

>Toilets that used water were used in the Indus Valley Civilisation. The cities of Harappa and Mohenjo-daro had a flush toilet in almost every house, attached to a sophisticated sewage system.

Thread like this is always going to shit thread
The only one reason why india is so poor is infra

The article you linked forwards cultural patterns as an explanation, explicitly optimism, rather than genetics, also dentists and psychologists are not generally considered a part of the "educated elites" in a country as opposed to literary authors or research scientists.

I don't mean to say anything evil about India here but you're making claims of genetic supremacy

It's Infra but also history. India inherited the worst of British Indian bureaucracy and then fell prey to crony socialism, protectionist policies, endless regulations, and so on. It wasn't until the 1991 reforms that India started liberalizing its economy. Then reforms ended when the socialist party again rose to power, and now they've returned under the BJP. Fortunately the socialist and communist parties of India are more or less finished.

Whoa, I never made claims of genetic supremacy. I stated simply that due to culture Indians do very well for themselves, regardless of their backgrounds, when given the right economic system.

Its kinda rich to to ridicule the person thats a native of the country you had to flee to because your own is such a shithole.

Dude, learn to link articles in Wikipedias using the specific hastag for any given topic, eg en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Indus_Valley_Civilisation#Cities it really isn't reasonable for you to expect me to read the whole thing trying to fish your specific quote. I do consider it plausible on principle given the sophisticated sewage system described that they had something similar to eastern toilets, however a flush toilet, that is something along the lines of a contemporary English WC is a hard one to accept without an image of the specific artifact. The Romans themselves had sewage systems while the Aztecs developed septic systems similar to those used today, both however relied on latrines even though they had access to running water so you might forgive me for being skeptic on this one.

Once again I do stress however their sewage system is impressive.

Hans, this is not *his* country. This isn't a European country that belongs to any one group of people. Besides who do you think is responsible for this country's growth? Recent immigrants comprise the vast majority of all STEM PhDs in this country and the vast majority of its achievements.

I'll do that but you should consider using the "find on page" search function on your browser.

That article like most Wiki articles provides a general description rather than the reasoning and evidence.

Fair enough, but I've never stated here that in self selecting background (eg Dhalits vs Brahmin) was a factor but that meeting the requirements of Western migration officials is important, specifically given the very small size of the Indian diaspora as compared to the nation's population. For Mexico it works the other way as it is the most disenfranchised and least educated who migrate to the US, much the same as was the case for the historic waves of European migrants. China and India, in net numbers now the largest source of migrants to the US, follow in a different pattern and comparisons may seem unfair given this very real difference.

Anyway I think it's oversimplifying to the extreme to claim that India is poor only because previous rulers have not fallen in /pol's definition of succesful conservatives. There's the toxic poison of the caste system for one, which tbqh is about as disgusting and infuriating as the open defecation issue, same with gender equality. But most of all is the scale of the problem, there's something like the full population of Brasil in people who can't read or write. That's fucking huge and I'm not quite sure the priorities are being set straight where these large very real problems, from access to healthcare to basic sanitation, are being overlooked over things such as building native jet fighetrs or building a space program, it is mind blowing to me that a country by any development metric much more backwards and poverty stricken than Mexico is nonetheless armed with nuclear weapons. I ave no doubt there are strong arguments for these policies but ffs, basic living standards for the people should be priority number one.

>Lynn
"The majority of the data points were based upon convenience rather than representative samples. Some points were not even based on residents of the country. For instance, the “data point” for Suriname was based on tests given to Surinamese who had migrated to the Netherlands, and the “data point” for Ethiopia was based on the IQ scores of a highly selected group that had emigrated to Israel and, for cultural and historical reasons, was hardly representative of the Ethiopian population. The data point for Mexico was based upon a weighted averaging of the results of a study of “Native American and Mestizo children in southern Mexico” with result of a study of residents of Argentina. Upon reading the original reference, we found that the “data point” that Lynn and Vanhanen used for the lowest IQ estimate, Equatorial Guinea, was actually the mean IQ of a group of Spanish children in a home for the developmentally disabled in Spain. Corrections were applied to adjust for differences in IQ across cohorts (the “Flynn” effect), on the assumption that the same correction could be applied internationally, without regard to the cultural or economic development level of the country involved. While there appears to be rather little evidence on cohort effect upon IQ across the developing countries, one study in Kenya shows a substantially larger cohort effect than is reported for developed countries."

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BECAUSE OF THE PERSISTENT CONSEQUENCES OF BRITISH SYSTEMATIC DECULTURALIZATION WHICH REQUIRE EQUALLY RADICAL MEASURES TO AMEND WHICH ARE VIRTUALLY IMPOSSIBLE TO REALIZE UNDER CURRENT SOCIOPOLITICAL, AND GEOPOLITICAL, CONDITIONS.

They do have to quote sources man, an encyclopedia is not about arguments (reasoning) but facts (proof as oposed to evidence) which isn't to say there isn't some nice comentary. Now, googling the subject I have found some references to some "crude device" but no images/illustration or links to articles specifically describing these, don't get me wrong, there's probably smething out there and I know firsthand from researching the civilizations in my own country it can sometimes be a slow process to gather the evidence from credible sources (eg how did a commoner live in Tenochtitlan or what his house looked like) but this is homework you gotta do if you want to make the claims.

Well implicit in what I said is that economic growth serves as a catalyst for basic living standards and even social advancement. While of course there isn't a perfect correlation, providing jobs and prosperity frees up the mind and furnishes the money for all of those things.

The space program, for example, makes billions of dollars for India directly through satellite launches. It creates billions more through a burgeoning space and tech industry, foreign investment inflows, and jobs for the nation's scientists.

A space industry is something like mxspace.mx/ which while fledgeling is being suported by private investors.
What you have is a space agency and that's suported through government spending that's socialism. As an example of what you could do with government spending waste management and industrial fabrication of sanitation system components, service companies providing installation/maintenance of infrastructure are industries that create jobs sustainably everywhere in the West unlike space programs which to date rely heavily on government subsidies and spending. We are working on our own space program but we are doing it through private enterprise
aviationweek.com/space/mexico-buys-ride-moon
looking to get the best return for our money, not the prestige of being the first to acomplish this or that which brings me to the main difference, we don't aspire to become a global superpower but to improve the living standards of our people. India will become the world's third largest ecnomy, it's only a matter of when, but that isn't a lot of use for Indians if meanwhile African countries like Botswana have effectively acoplished much better living standards. Obviously you know better about your country but my view is you're doing something similar to Stalinism, in which great power status was a more pressing concern of industry and development than the well being of the population. You have expressed your view on how this will eventually pay dividends for the people, hopefully you're right and by the time you become one of the world's top economies you're not still the country with the most disabilities in its population caused by malnutrition.

GDP per capita is not the best index to compare wealth.
- Good country has good social security system. Then old men increase. Many of them don't earm. So GDP per capita doesn't increase.
- Saving is not counted in GDP per capita.

Japanese old generation has much money and they don't earm.
They are no rich if you looked only GDP per capita.

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india is poor and indian is poo in loo

stagnant culture