So what kind of guns can Americans not buy?

Charles Long
Charles Long

So what kind of guns can Americans not buy?
Seems like everything is pretty much fair game, unless itʻs like a grenade launcher or some shit...

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Aiden Ward
Aiden Ward

Rifles, handguns, revolvers...

David Anderson
David Anderson

are you a retard?

Ian Watson
Ian Watson

Everything can be bought without the $200 tax stamp and the long ass wait(upwards of 10 months for me) except machineguns, short barreled rifles in<16.5, short barreled shotguns in<18, and explosives

Cooper Foster
Cooper Foster

forgot suppressors user, mine took 8 months 2016-2017, not sure what the wait time is for NFA at the moment

Michael Young
Michael Young

Depends where you live but yeah anything that isnt an automatic is fair game most places. This is why people are kinda pissed off right now. Any kid straight out of the nut house can get an AR-15 from Walmart then begin firing into a crowd once he gets it. Very few people are saying to completely ban all guns, but saying we should have limits on who can just walk into any store and be approved for a gun isn't exactly unreasonable. But ya know, muh "the libruls gon take muh rights away!!"

Tyler Ward
Tyler Ward

Where I live they are working on a "built here, sold here, stays here" law that would allow us to have these without the $200 crap.

Connor King
Connor King

Americans cannot buy automatic weapons, nor can they buy military grade weapons

protip: an AR15 is not a military grade weapon unless it's been modified to be fully automatic, which is illegal to purchase as noted above

my hope is that you anti-gun fuckers are the first to starve to death after the EMP attack. if not those of us with guns will take your food and it'll be pretty fuckin easy

Eli Gomez
Eli Gomez

please link a walmart that still sells AR15s

(they haven't in decades)

Kayden Sullivan
Kayden Sullivan

nytimes.com/2015/08/31/opinion/walmart-decides-to-drop-sale-of-ar-15-assault-rifles.html

It was not even two years ago so yeah still a little out of the loop but not insanely so. Walmart is still the biggest gun retailer in America, which is part of the point of ease of access for any person

John Taylor
John Taylor

assault rifles

lmfao

what are they supposed to be? "hugs and kisses rifles"??

Hudson Bailey
Hudson Bailey

Hahaha amerifats are cucked out of pic related.

The eternal leaf wins again

Aiden Phillips
Aiden Phillips

Yes, we can buy full auto weapons, it's not easy, cheap, or quick but depending on state we can buy straight up machine guns.

Sub guns had a GE minigun for sale, needed a form 4 in Arizona and $215,000 though.

Noah Evans
Noah Evans

He failed to read the OP post thoroughly before responding. That doesn't make him a "retard", it makes him careless.

Adrian Jones
Adrian Jones

that gun is garbage

Gabriel Rodriguez
Gabriel Rodriguez

It's still garbage you will never own Sendai.

It's actually not bad. Action smoothed out after. 200 rounds

Tyler Anderson
Tyler Anderson

this just has to be bait.

too bad it has to be a post-sample.

depends on the barrel length exactly, we have garbage rods similar that which don't require a stamp.

our import laws are in fact garbage.

Andrew Reyes
Andrew Reyes

Heh, theres no need for such a cowardly weapon as a *chucle* shotgun when you spent your life honing your skills with the blade... I prefer to see the fear in my prey's eyes as I deliver the killing blow

Jacob Davis
Jacob Davis

That is heavily dependent on state. All NFA weapons except AOW's are outlawed in Illinois for example

Leo Parker
Leo Parker

grenade launchers are legal

Charles Nelson
Charles Nelson

You have to pass an NCIC check to buy a firearm and fill out paperwork attesting to your medical history. So sure, you could lie on the paperwork and make sure the nuthouse you got out of was a private facility and not a state run one... but then you would also be breaking the law to do so... people that are willing to break the law arent going to follow new ones either fyi

Anthony Allen
Anthony Allen

Depends on the paper work you want to do.

Obviously I can't buy an RPG or a tank. But basically everything is on the table given you have the money to pay for it, a clean record, and the time to wait for it.

Angel Moore
Angel Moore

You actually can buy a tank, including ammo for the main gun, as well as an RPG if you have enough money. You can buy a fighter jet along with missiles as well.

The only things you actually cant buy are the guidance and targeting systems for modern tanks/jets. However if you could find a foreign government to sell you one, you wouldnt even need a tax stamp for it

Thomas Allen
Thomas Allen

This is news to me. And I'm not mad at it.

Robert Adams
Robert Adams

tell me more user

Christian Nelson
Christian Nelson

Remember, guns promote healthy bile synthesis and prevent MS.

Logan Lee
Logan Lee

how do you handle recoil with this grip?

Colton Lewis
Colton Lewis

i can buy anything without serial numbers

Asher Lewis
Asher Lewis

There are multiple large private tank collections in the US. The main gun would be a registered Destructive Device, as would each round of ammunition for the main gun. ($200 tax stamp for each)

The same for the fighter jet (there are also multiple fighter jet collections in the US. In fact about a year ago someone was selling a 1990s fighter jet on Ebay) Each missile would need a tax stamp, as would its gun and each of its rounds of ammo.

The only problem is you cant buy, regardless of money the targeting or guidance systems. Not because they are illegal to own, but because no company with a US military contract will sell them to anyone other than the US military, and they are never Surplus'ed

Ryder Gutierrez
Ryder Gutierrez

We all know "assault rifle" combined with the black furniture makes is super scary. Clearly if it has an oak stock, it's just a humble hunting rifle, regardless if they are both magazine fed semi automatic rifles.

Ayden Barnes
Ayden Barnes

The only reason I knew you could own a tank is because when I was a kid I grew up in a town with a batshit crazy vietnam vet who got his rocks off driving his tank through "downtown" every weekend. There was nothing they could do to stop him so they ended up putting weight limit on the main street so he had to stay on the side streets.

I wonder what ever happened to that old guy

Carter Robinson
Carter Robinson

it's also the other features that go into making something an effective military weapon -- everything minus the select fire ability.

we all know what they mean when someone says "assault weapon" or "military-style rifle". they mean a military assault rifle that's had select-fire omitted. that's what all these "scary black" rifles fall under.

Wyatt Brooks
Wyatt Brooks

gernades? mortors rgps anything explodey i'm sure that'll change in the coming years though

Nathaniel Collins
Nathaniel Collins

literally everything he military uses. Everything. Americans can not own automatic weapons, regardless of the stupid media leads you to believe that they have military rifles everywhere. The version they can own is a dumbed down, neutered semi auto version with lower power bullets.

Angel Hernandez
Angel Hernandez

It is the duty of each American to assess the danger they may have to protect themselves from and arm themselves accordingly so our choices are as varied as our locations and threat types.

Jaxon Hall
Jaxon Hall

it depends if you want it legally or not

Kayden Jones
Kayden Jones

lower power bullets? wtf does that mean? it's all the same. you can buy all manner of different loadings and projectiles at gun stores.

also, have you never heard of a class III license? all kinds of crazy rednecks have one.

Isaiah Brooks
Isaiah Brooks

.223 and 5.56 NATO are not the same. You can still buy 5.56 NATO ammo, however most of the civilian owned ARs are only certified to fire .223. 5.56 NATO is a "hotter" round and will damage/destroy a cheap .223 rated AR.

Lucas Hall
Lucas Hall

Americans can not own automatic weapons
that's not true, I know someone who legally owns a few full auto rifles

the price of a license, the hoops you need to jump through to get it and finding a range that will let you shoot it is another story.

Jack Mitchell
Jack Mitchell

There is a reason there has never been a crime committed with a legally registered automatic weapon in the US

William Harris
William Harris

Yep my wood stock hunting rifles are def not scary lol

Jason Sullivan
Jason Sullivan

you have no point. you can buy whatever loadings you please. you can buy and shoot very hot loadings with heavy bullets if you please. your gun will accept them.

you're arguing litterally nothing.

Gabriel Parker
Gabriel Parker

Hobbe's natural state kek

Brody Parker
Brody Parker

real man have no need for gun...

Camden Johnson
Camden Johnson

Things that make really big booms and things that make lots of small booms very fast unless it's a gun designed to make small booms more slowly but is fitted with device that makes it boom faster

Jason Martin
Jason Martin

That's the point though isn't it? I live in NJ with serious ass gun laws. Since so many people are ignorant about guns, they think anything that's all black with a pistol grip is the same as that. My friend has a basic AR with a pistol grip, no sight, no foregrip, and a 10 round mag and people are like OMG that's so crazy!

Anthony Hall
Anthony Hall

This picture makes me so mad. No woman has a taint that big. Bullshit.

Jordan Howard
Jordan Howard

yea, they're really difficult to shoot accurately. plus most gun owners aren't criminals

Samuel Kelly
Samuel Kelly

Actually you retard, grenade launchers ARE legal.

Guns that can't be purchased, just got to California. A fricken folding stock can make a gun illegaly. Honestly think the lawmakers of California only have knowledge of guns from John Wick and CNN

Carson Phillips
Carson Phillips

too bad getting a class 3 lisence is a pain in the ass
of course being able to have a fully automatic assault rifle or LMG would be fun as fuck,just need lots of $ and time

Adam Collins
Adam Collins

If he was in a nuthouse, then his backround check should be denied.

Aiden Morales
Aiden Morales

automatic weapons banned since 1987

Andrew Gutierrez
Andrew Gutierrez

Yeah not sure how my AK's are less scary than my ARs...... ignorance

Hudson James
Hudson James

I wish all gun owners were not criminals but unfortunately criminals can still buy guns

Isaiah Gonzalez
Isaiah Gonzalez

If you go through the relentless red tape and tax stamps, the only thing you can't own is WMDs and SAMs. Everything else has some level of tax stamp and license.

Thomas Butler
Thomas Butler

Just because a gun accepts something doesnt mean it will shoot it safely.

Try putting 9mm +p+ into a high point and pull the trigger. It will turn into a grenade in your hand. You can put .357 magnum in a .38 revolver, and the second you pull the trigger you are going to be missing a hand

Ethan Sullivan
Ethan Sullivan

you don't see why folding stocks make a gun illegal? are you simple? why do you think all modern military rifles have either folding or collapsible stocks?

Caleb Morales
Caleb Morales

this pic always makes white manlet and dicklets mad, usualy they respond like this:
anything above 3 inches will hurt her cervix!
size don't matter - technique matters! [tips fedora, unsheaths katana, double jumps away]

Thomas Clark
Thomas Clark

you've lost sight of whatever it was your argument was supposed to be

Jackson Fisher
Jackson Fisher

don't make fun of people who can double jump

Easton Long
Easton Long

Shit-tier shotty

Caleb Cook
Caleb Cook

My basic bitch Ruger AR is chambered in 5.56. It is semi-auto though. Most people won't buy a .223 chambered rifle so they aren't ammo limited.

Jonathan Robinson
Jonathan Robinson

Bait ... Don't think so. If the infrastructure is broken due to whatever reason, the thin finish of so-called civilisation quickly goes the way of the dodo. Just look at what happened in New Orleans after the hurricane and here the surrounding society was still functional

Asher Peterson
Asher Peterson

people who break laws are doing illegal things
no shit?

Easton Taylor
Easton Taylor

You can own SAM's. There was a MANPAD on gunbroker a few months ago

Easton King
Easton King

We can buy grenade launchers with a $200 tax stamp bruh.

Asher Garcia
Asher Garcia

I make fun of people that only THINK they can double jump

Nolan Sanchez
Nolan Sanchez

DOUBT

Eli Cruz
Eli Cruz

Are you retarded? They have folding stocks so that they can be adjusted so they are comfortable for the shooter. Folding stocks making a gun illegal is stupid bullshit.

Jeremiah Long
Jeremiah Long

I want this
Y-you know.. for hunting deer..

Jaxson Sanders
Jaxson Sanders

2/3 of the lawmakers in California are socialists or outright communists
mfw I am not exaggerating

Jayden Gray
Jayden Gray

Nah, he's genuinely retarded, what's careless is you defending his retardation.

Gavin Brooks
Gavin Brooks

My entire point was that the OP I was referring to was not actually incorrect when he said most civilian ARs fire lower powered ammo compared to their military cousins.

There are other differences as well, such as high shelf and low shelf receivers. Twist rate/barrel differences, and how .223 and 5.56 have very different tumble characteristics...

Robert Roberts
Robert Roberts

I had sks woth grenade launcher sites. Fire blanks and big boom.

Also tried to buy a rocket launcher when i was a kid. Like 15 and my dad wouldnt let me. Then i learned about felonis and ran like hell. Mutherfucker at the pawn shop even had rockets

Dylan Jenkins
Dylan Jenkins

So a pistol grip and telescoping stock really makes it more killy than a ruger mini-14?

Caleb Walker
Caleb Walker

it's so they can be carried around more compactly and let you exit a vehicle with them easier.
abilities a sporting rifle never needs.

Zachary Turner
Zachary Turner

That number seems a little low...

Dylan Hughes
Dylan Hughes

all about how much money you've got

the average american that lives in a free state will have access to pretty much any rifle or shotgun over a minimum barrel length and pretty much any handgun, sometimes with some minor licensing (in MN, it's just a $20 annual permit with a standard background check). iirc anything over .50bmg is considered a destructive device

short barreled rifles and shotguns require federal paperwork that takes 6-24 months depending on wait times and a $200 tax stamp

destructive devices include things like pipe bombs, rocket launchers and tank shells. you can own these legally, however I think each dd form carries a $400 tax and individual shells, rockets and grenades are taxed individually

so yes, in the US it is perfectly legal to obtain a fucking rocket launcher as a civilian so long as you wait on that paperwork and pay your taxes

in reality though, most gun owners have like 1-2 (((assault weapons))) and the rest is hunting rifles/shotguns and carry / plinking pistols

Caleb Nguyen
Caleb Nguyen

Walk into a Cabelas or Bass Pro and pick out any AR on the wall for under $1000. 9 times out of 10 it will only be chambered for .223. I think you greatly underestimate how many shit tier ARs exist on the market.

Asher Allen
Asher Allen

yep

Henry Hill
Henry Hill

18 USC 922(g)
If you’re civilly committed past 72 hours on a mental health hold, it’s supposed to be reported to NICS or your state’s DOJ and you fail your background check.

Daniel Turner
Daniel Turner

It would be registered as a DD

Brayden Martinez
Brayden Martinez

You forgot the third argument.
Bestiality is illegal :^)

Gabriel Adams
Gabriel Adams

it sure was shit wasn't functional. guidance for missiles and seekers for missiles are regulated by ITAR. you will NEVER get them.

Jaxson Cox
Jaxson Cox

This isnt strictly true.

I was put on a 72 hour hold for depression but that isnt the same thing as an involuntary committal.

Any doctor or law enforcement can place you under a 72 hour hold, involuntary committal comes from a court through due process

Jeremiah Peterson
Jeremiah Peterson

Modern M4's use collapsable stocks. Folding stocks are usually used by paratroopers.

That's just one example. .50 cals are banned and this year, maximum mag capacity of 5 will be put into effect. They will also start classifying many pistols as "Assault Rifles" meaning they will no longer be able to be sold in Cali.

Bentley Bell
Bentley Bell

So what if you don't need it? What does it matter to have it? Does it suddenly make the gun a deadly automatic murder machine? Get over yourself, fag.

Gabriel Walker
Gabriel Walker

good thing other people are capable of critical thinking otherwise we'd never get anywhere.

Nicholas Jones
Nicholas Jones

The real answer lies in how much you want and how willing you are to get it.

The black market is huge in the USA for firearms, and one of the predominant reason gun control and laws don't do much in the big picture. Even a lot of "reputable" gun shops (we're not talking bass pro or walmart here, but the stand alone gun stores) will sell you the right "gear" for the right price. You just need to show the right amount of money before they'll pull out their stash.

That's not even including all the Jamal's on the corner who will sell you some shit if you have the cash/drugs/whatever. You just also need to be savvy enough not to get raped and murdered when they try to steal your shit before you steal theirs.

The unfortunate truth is that gun control will work to a certain point; but people hell bent on shooting up a school or whatever are probably gonna do it anyway. They'll just go to Jamal or the local gun store and set up a meeting by flashing the cash. It's stupid simple if you're not afraid of dying/getting arrested.

Hudson Cooper
Hudson Cooper

Didn't work in US vs stewart or the Gonzales vs Raich pot defense

Colton Campbell
Colton Campbell

Good thing people with your levels of critical thinking haven't managed to remove our rights entirely yet, else we may as well just wipe our ass with the Constitution.

Luke James
Luke James

That is true. Guidance systems are pretty much never available, though they arent outright illegal to own. That said even the newest Stingers have manual fire modes like a Javelin does

Austin Richardson
Austin Richardson

many, many military rifles around the world use folding stocks

Brandon Brooks
Brandon Brooks

Anything full auto and making it full auto is like 10 years of Federal bubba fucks you in the ass prison. Also no sawing off shotguns allowed. Also can't get hollowpoints in like, most states I think.

A semiautomatic AR-15 is about as powerful as it gets unless you actually think meme loads like .577 Tyrranosaur or .600 Nitro Express are anything more than something you use to kill a Cape Buffalo.

Henry Kelly
Henry Kelly

The unfortunate truth is that gun control will work to a certain point; but people hell bent on shooting up a school or whatever are probably gonna do it anyway. They'll just go to Jamal or the local gun store and set up a meeting by flashing the cash. It's stupid simple if you're not afraid of dying/getting arrested.
if all of the spree shooters have to do this to get their gun, spree shootings will become incredibly rare.

Brody Williams
Brody Williams

Montana has had built here stays here gun laws on the books for over a decade and the DoJ has never even mentioned challenging the law

Connor Russell
Connor Russell

Hunting rounds are far more powerful than an AR-15. Elk are harder to kill than people. And hollowpoints have been common everywhere I've ever lived.

Landon Diaz
Landon Diaz

depends on where you live.

Nolan Cook
Nolan Cook

This is also true. In hunting terms, humans are on the small end of medium sized game

Ryder Murphy
Ryder Murphy

Unless you have a class-3 weapons permit and certain permissions, anything that is fully automatic or explosive is off the table, stuff like Tannerite and blackpowder are okay though.

Oliver Kelly
Oliver Kelly

Actually i have my level 3 for full auto and i have a can LEGALLY. So youre....dumb? Yep. Also ar 15 WHAT , what caliber ? Jesus you dont shit about weapons

Asher Long
Asher Long

modidied
u mean oops i forgot pin...

Chase Reed
Chase Reed

Bitch you can have a 1 inch barrel 12 guage if it has a true pistol grip its a pistol.

Retarded leafs btfo

Carter Mitchell
Carter Mitchell

It is legal for americans to buy non-automatic weapons of the following variety;

Rifles, Handguns, Revolvers and shotguns.

Ethan Moore
Ethan Moore

Americans can still buy shockwaves / 590s lmao...

Josiah Flores
Josiah Flores

ones that cost more money than they either personally have or that a credit card company will let them use.

Justin Martin
Justin Martin

i think that's only true if they were put in there against their will.

Eli Peterson
Eli Peterson

The only thing that makes me mad about that photo is how retarded it is. It shows a complete lack of intelligence and grounding in reality and displays just how religiously niggers actually believe that myth. I've walked in on a nigger who constantly bragged about being supersized and laughed my ass off because even flaccid I'm bigger. But since you mentioned the cervix I'll point out how painful it is for her to actually have an average guy try to penetrate hers, let alone the supposed giant dick niggers like to pretend they have

Connor Hall
Connor Hall

aks are the guns bad guys use, ars are the ones good guys use.

Juan Kelly
Juan Kelly

suggests it's a common sense and reasonable idea to remove the right to buy certain firearms
mocks people who believe liberals want to take away gun rights

If you can't understand that this is a removal of rights, and that this is a literal rinse and repeat of past liberal behavior, you should neck yourself and do the rest of the world a favor.

Whether or not it's reasonable to create additional laws or if those laws would be effective, liberals are essentially coming across as disingenuous when they simultaneously suggest taking away rights while mocking people who don't want their rights taken away. So of course people with an interest in keeping said rights will be opposed to you.

Why this is so fucking hard to understand, I'll never know.

Cooper Collins
Cooper Collins

I'm not so sure. I think we would see a relatively short downward trend, followed by it going back to where it used to be (where we're at now).

At first, people would be confused and not know how to obtain the guns anymore, you're right. But then as soon as the first person figured out how and committed a mass shooting - the media would be all over it "Timmy obtained the gun from X gun shop by flashing cash" or "Johnny obtained the gun from a local dealer, Jamal Tyrone Jr. by flashing cash"

Suddenly you have everyone else doing the exact same thing, copycats. It's literally the same thing now. After Columbine everyone decided to be a copycat killer, a mass shooter. The more the media reports on the "evil ar-15" the more we see people using..... AR-15's. It's not a coincidence.

If we saw the media reporting on people using mossbergs or AK47's you'd suddenly see mass shootings happening with those guns more often.

Josiah Baker
Josiah Baker

That's just one example. .50 cals are banned and this year, maximum mag capacity of 5 will be put into effect. They will also start classifying many pistols as "Assault Rifles" meaning they will no longer be able to be sold in Cali.
Are you spreading disinformation just for fun?

Asher Gonzalez
Asher Gonzalez

bla bla bla whiteboi

Blake King
Blake King

I wish I could make up new history when I feel bad too.

Evan White
Evan White

hahaa O hope youre joking

Michael Hall
Michael Hall

Fires the exact same bullet. Just not full auto.

now its not military grade

What are you going to tell me next? that a Walmart ar-15 would hurt less then a military one?

Isaac Roberts
Isaac Roberts

be me
just hanging out in the warehouse after being manufactured
finally getting shipped to retailer
get put on display for potential purchasers
mfw.gif someone actually decides to buy me!
owner takes me home
cleans me up real, real nice
be so fucking shiny
feelsgoodman.jpeg
owner now decides to go and put me to use
be a little nervous
its okay, im made for this
owner now takes control of me
we start heading towards where he wants to go
we then see several people
theyre walking, minding their own business
suddenly, for no reason, my owner kills them, but he uses me to do it
feelsbadman.jpeg
mfw he just drove right into them
mfw the cops arrived and arrested the man
mfw the tow truck came and picked me up to get repaired and eventually resold to a new owner
mfw my previous owner is doing life in prison
mfw no one ever blamed me for the murders
mfw im a car

How come when a car is used to kill, it's the driver's fault, but when a gun is used to kill, it's the gun's fault?

Noah Parker
Noah Parker

But he'd do better with a handgun, he could run in close and get a lot more people, way lighter, can carry more ammo, just better handling all around for a school shooting since we know nobody's got kevlar or ceramic armor, we know there will be no anti-personnel designs, traps or other defenses. The other kids aren't also shooting at you with scoped rifles from really far away, nor are they in a deliberately confusing complex surrounded by mines and razor wire. Eric and Dylan had it right: The easily controlled but vicious TEC-9 is the ultimate school shooting weapon. People are soft, fuck caliber just get lead on target.

Counters to my argument are...what, DC beltway sniper? Texas clocktower? Mandalay bay? DC and Texas both used semi-auto sniping accomplish-able with a bolt-action rifle, Mandalay Bay...why did he have 50+ guns in that room again? I really think the FBI is not telling us something and I think that something is them coming after the "well organized militia(s)" that the government didn't have a problem with and viewed as just americans being american until...well until this SJW shakedown, I think the FBI actually BELIEVES "white men are terrorists" and that dude shot up that country concert to suicide+punish their interference in the operation of their "well-regulated militia".

Asher Rivera
Asher Rivera

Rpgs at a pawn store... hmmm

Elijah Rogers
Elijah Rogers

You won't look like swiss cheese anyways

Jaxon Brown
Jaxon Brown

With your face! Duh

Jayden Williams
Jayden Williams

Amerifats are cucked.

Fucking leafs...

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Lincoln Williams
Lincoln Williams

What..

If i shoot a full clip, in semi auto. You would be just as dead as if i did it in full auto.

Also, no military ever shoots full auto.

Wyatt Baker
Wyatt Baker

"if not a rifle, theyd just use a pistol!"
mfw youre using "ban ALL guns!" rhetoric to try justify doing nothing about guns at all

Ryder Garcia
Ryder Garcia

Americans have a duty and obligation to rely on themselves for protection.
Taking away somebody's means of protection when they're surrounded by wolves just to watch them die is murder.
"Gun control" is murder.
m.youtube.com/watch?v=jAfUI_hETy0

Michael Jackson
Michael Jackson

While I'm appreciative of your desire to keep 2A intact, your facts here are almost all wrong.

First, Americans can buy automatic weapons if they pay for the $200 tax stamp, pass the background checks and can afford to spend new Honda Accord money on a firearm.

Second, all weapons are military grade. This is a nonsensical statement made by liberals interested in creating fear of the thing they don't like. Yes, even your pump shotgun is military grade. Inevitably liberals will point out that the technology in a pump shotgun is extremely old and not used very often. The m16 platform is also old as dirt. And militaries across the globe use pump shotgun.

Third, a few words about modifying weapons for full auto: while this can be done on SOME AR15s, it does not consist of filing down triggers or whatever the hell liberals are suggesting. The auto seer mechanism is a completely different animal than a standard trigger group. This requires more room inside the gun to fit the extra pieces, which isn't universally there. Many AR15s have what is called a "high shelf", which would need to be killed down to "low shelf" specs by an experienced machinist to fit an auto trigger group.

Not trying to pick on you user, I just want to do my part in preventing the spread of misinformation.

Chase Morgan
Chase Morgan

True but only if you're sporting Parkinson's. You've obviously never shot a moving target outside of playing paintball or airsoft lmao.

Nicholas Baker
Nicholas Baker

The statistics of guns being in self defense is laughably low.

Make a better argument you dumb fuck

Zachary Foster
Zachary Foster

not even lmg and hmg?

Luke Thompson
Luke Thompson

Aren't mini guns actually legal because their action isn't the same as a regular auto and the law doesn't cover them?

Jace Miller
Jace Miller

more likely to kill a family member (premeditate or accidental) or yourself. But thats what makes Amerikkka so great (if white.)

Nicholas Kelly
Nicholas Kelly

It must also have been built before 1986.

Because less deadly or some illogical bullshit

Eli Gomez
Eli Gomez

It does cover rotary action.

Benjamin Garcia
Benjamin Garcia

I swear to fucl it's true. I even got a pic. Was back in the day i carried a digital camera in my pocket. One of those placed so full of shit you cant even park there. Mutherfucker saod the rockets were high but worth it.

Still want that mutherfucker but i like my asshole unfucked...

Hudson Hall
Hudson Hall

more likely to kill a family member (premeditate or accidental) or yourself
which only proves most people are retarded. we already knew this

Aiden Brown
Aiden Brown

makes no sense for them to carry explosives

Cameron Hernandez
Cameron Hernandez

The pro-murder mental gymnastics are really getting intricrate, I see.

If you love your guns so much, join the military.

David Moore
David Moore

Many states have non criminalized pot but the feds will still arrest you
So they're working on laws for NFA though?

Connor Rodriguez
Connor Rodriguez

grenade launcher
You can buy a grenade launcher,it's the grenades that are against the law silly billy

Caleb Evans
Caleb Evans

Specifically North American egos but yeah

Robert Perez
Robert Perez

no military ever uses suppressing fire
I mean, it's there more to keep people's heads down than for actual killing, but the military uses a lot of full auto fire.

Christian Foster
Christian Foster

technically you can buy a grenade launcher
tfw the man wont let you buy those sweet grenades

Hudson Morales
Hudson Morales

someone hit the pawn shop?

Henry Young
Henry Young

Do you understand that guns are the only things Americans have to protect themselves from crime?
Do you really expect every Anerican getting stabbed to call for military help?

Thomas Gray
Thomas Gray

That's what my Drill Sergeant told me, but after experiencing war first hand
That's not how that shit works at all

Daniel Howard
Daniel Howard

Anything that could protect the citizens from an oppressive government are extremely illegal.
Anything that helps reduce the surplus population is available, however.

Juan Foster
Juan Foster

This is next and it's a perfect example of why Americans, and in reality the rest of the world, have no concept of the phenomenon happening in this country.

A handgun can be easily concealed. I can imagine a scenario where victims unknowingly run right into the path of an active shooter because they don't see a big rifle in his hands...

Now, when we inevitably ban the AR15, and when this shit continues, liberals will immediately switch to "let's ban handguns" instead of trying to ascertain why people are so interested in mass murder these days.

Cameron Davis
Cameron Davis

The statistics of being murdered due to a lack of weapon is screamingly high

Nathaniel Morris
Nathaniel Morris

Even if you use lowball numbers instead of the 2 million put out by the NRA, there average 67,740 defensive uses a year. That is 6 times the number of homicides. And this is a NYT lowball number.

takingnote.blogs.nytimes.com/2013/04/15/defensive-gun-use/

Carson Campbell
Carson Campbell

Ah, I stand corrected. One can wish though...

Grayson Cook
Grayson Cook

Bait

Brody Thomas
Brody Thomas

few weapon designs are as reliable as the old pump shotgun
my mossberg 500 i inherited from my grandfather is 45 years old and after literally thousands of rounds still cycles like it did when it was new

Chase Johnson
Chase Johnson

I understand what you're getting at here, but 1986 was just the cutoff for manufacturing new weapons for public consumption.

Angel Sanders
Angel Sanders

Have you gotten to level 4 yet? I can't seem to get past the boss on level 2

Ethan Powell
Ethan Powell

when we inevitably ban the AR15
yeah, no

Samuel Richardson
Samuel Richardson

the combination of range and rate of fire is the issue but okay

Aaron Adams
Aaron Adams

How do you guys feel about bumpstocks?

Aaron Edwards
Aaron Edwards

they're somewhat difficult to use at first but fun

Matthew Gutierrez
Matthew Gutierrez

Agreed. A firm argument can be made for the idea that reliability is king in a conflict. Which is exactly why we still use what we use and why the military grade statement is so retarded.

Andrew Ortiz
Andrew Ortiz

That damn 4th Amendment..... Lets get rid of that shit. No one has that shit anymore anyway, right?

Jeremiah Garcia
Jeremiah Garcia

It'll be 2013 all over again, as soon as ban legislation started getting talked about, people started grabbing up AR's left and right in stores lol

Thomas Anderson
Thomas Anderson

Americans can buy any weapon as long as they have the right tax stamp and are approved by their local law enforcement.

Brayden Smith
Brayden Smith

Tax stamp... $200 each before the asking price and delivery costs.

Alexander Harris
Alexander Harris

Were you good at controlling it? You think its okay for them to be easy to get?

Ian Gomez
Ian Gomez

hook line and sinker

Adrian Gutierrez
Adrian Gutierrez

A novelty. Good for shooting at the range, but not much else.

Most mass shootings are not taking place at rifle ranges. The Nevada shooting was so devastating because it literally hasn't been done since, say, the Bell Tower Sniper. The rate of fire is likewise nothing more than what a handgun can attain.

Stop being overscared of tools. A healthy respect is fine, but fuck, bud, be scared of kids.

Ryan Stewart
Ryan Stewart

booze, beer, babes, fine wrist watches and guns... oh, and a fucking antique camera because reasons.

very fedorian.

Dominic Cook
Dominic Cook

not at all, wildly inaccurate. i have no problem with bumpstocks

Noah Flores
Noah Flores

I think you're missing my larger point.

You WILL see an assault weapons (liberal definition) ban within the next decade. It will not change the frequency of mass shootings. This will be due to a combination of weapons being available through illegal means, and through perps using legally purchased firearms, such as handguns.

I'm suggesting the America has a serious cultural problem that runs very deep. This will prevent any legislation from being effective.

Andrew Taylor
Andrew Taylor

Good for shooting at the range, but not much else
Vegas.

Cameron Perry
Cameron Perry

Nonsense.... The difference is in the SAAMI specifications. There is a slight difference in the brass case nothing more.

Go to SAAMI and see for yourself

Angel Sullivan
Angel Sullivan

Took me two weeks in AZ & Month for automatic. $400

Xavier Price
Xavier Price

Go ahead and read that second link I was responding to. Go on, bud. Do it for daddy.

Logan Cooper
Logan Cooper

Its the ease of access of tools and the retards/kids using them to kill. Sadly most of the proponents for people wanting to expand them legality are some of the most batshit people you'd ever meet.

Angel Johnson
Angel Johnson

Automatic weapons are not legal.

You can own an explosive, but using it legally is another issue.

Logan Roberts
Logan Roberts

I dont get the Ban the ar15 nonesense
the surplus sks I bought for 100 bucks years ago is also semiautomatic and was a front line military weapon. Should they ban that rifle too?
Ban all magazine fed semi-auto rifles?
Most semi auto hunting rifles are also magazine fed.
the ar14 isnt more lethal any other semi auto rifle it's just more popular.
id rather have an ak personally

Elijah Perez
Elijah Perez

making guns harder to acquire, means less people have guns -including criminals. That's how it works in the rest of the world.

Nicholas Robinson
Nicholas Robinson

You WILL see an assault weapons (liberal definition) ban within the next decade.
youre getting pathetic at this point. its not happening. gun sales sky rocket after every single one of these over-publicized incidents of some retard on anti-depressants who spergs out

Noah Peterson
Noah Peterson

Really, in what non US country are you writing about? 40mm launchers are NFA DD and require tax, so are HE rounds ($200 tax each) and need to follow laws to store explosives.

Cameron Morales
Cameron Morales

what link?

Landon Turner
Landon Turner

you can legally buy a tank

Ethan Roberts
Ethan Roberts

This argument is retarded and you know it.

Guns are made to kill, they have no other purpose. Sure they can be fun to do target shooting with but thats not what they are for.

Cars are made to transport people. But sure, you can kill people with them, duh.

Same reason why I can go into any home depot and buy a chain saw.

Landon Sanchez
Landon Sanchez

The black market and ease of access is the problem. Everytime you see a an obviously mentally deranged person in the hide-lines for mass murder you will have someone who will be on some forum supporting his "right" to have that access even though it was readily apparent to everyone else around them that they were psycho.

Isaiah Jenkins
Isaiah Jenkins

I had a gun within my reach since I was 5 years old.

Ease of access isn't a problem. What we need to do is have a mandatory gun safety month, say, at schools. Everybody learns how to fire them, how to operate them safely, and how to handle them safely. Instill a respectable fear into these kids for them. Then we will be good. At least better than what we are.

The second post link in my post you responded to, son.

Sebastian Martinez
Sebastian Martinez

the ruin your rifle, i played with one on an ar14 however they kill accuracy and really degrade the barrel if used for very long at all.

Nolan Martinez
Nolan Martinez

Kek'd good sir 1/10 made me reply

Levi Rogers
Levi Rogers

Wouldnt be surprised if they did that because they themselves were mentally ill and feared that he would disarm them.

Adam Collins
Adam Collins

250,000.00 price tag

Jason Young
Jason Young

Look, I get the fact that people have a sincere desire to stop mass shootings and that they sincerely believe that access is most of the issue.

With that said, shouldn't you be equally afraid of the mental illness epidemic in the US and the idea that people capable of mass murder will continue to be walking the streets? If a car can be used to mass murder, and bombs can be improvised to do the same, shouldn't our focus be on identifying potential threats?

David Martinez
David Martinez

Just like how hard it is to get guns in Mexico...

Hudson Hughes
Hudson Hughes

The romance around the guns should of died with the cowboys. People become conceded pricks when you mislabel a casing.

Charles Harris
Charles Harris

Not true. See

Daniel Peterson
Daniel Peterson

degrade because of the rof?

Leo Stewart
Leo Stewart

They're not even made for actual or practical application. It's merely novelty accessory for fun. Any gun can be bumpfired, you don't need a specialty stock to do it.

Grayson Jenkins
Grayson Jenkins

Be me want to commit mass shooting go to store to pickup semi auto best mass shooting device I can find buy shit tons of ammo.

Guy behind the counter say you have to fill out this form send it in wait 4 months take this to your local law enforcement and get fingerprinted and have them sign this.

Fuck I'm not that committed to this fuck it ill just go home and jerk off to traps.

vs

Be me want to commit mass shooting go to store to pickup semi auto best mass shooting device I can find buy shit tons of ammo.

Guy behind counter says fill out this peace of paper thanks here you go have a good day.

Next day I'm walking into the biggest crowd of people with a hundred round drum mag just unloading a hundred rounds of uncle Sam's caboom boom at over 60 rounds a min.

Its only common sense so stop this.

Juan Rodriguez
Juan Rodriguez

not him but yeah. they're burn out a barrel pretty quick

Jackson Morris
Jackson Morris

The romance of swords has still barely been dying down in japan.

The gun represents security to people. Safety. And when people look at other people and wish to take away their safety and have not even a passing understanding of it, yeah they tend to get upset.

Daniel Robinson
Daniel Robinson

Can't buy a gatling gun :(

why even live

Parker Diaz
Parker Diaz

they have no other purpose
Found the hopeless retard.

collecting
target practice
home defense
hunting
faux rape sexual fantasies
emergency hammer
door stop
signalling device
personal defense
personal sexual gratification
lulz

Ian Gomez
Ian Gomez

yeah the barrels arent designed for such antics.
we ran about 300 rounds with one and it definitely impacted the barrel

Tyler Howard
Tyler Howard

NFA weapons are weapons that are heavily restricted at a federal level by the National Firearms Act of 1934 and the Firearm Owners Protection Act of 1986. These include automatic firearms (such as machine guns), short-barreled shotguns, and short-barreled rifles. Some states and localities place additional restrictions on such weapons.

Commonly banned items:

Explosive weapons
Gas guns
Exploding bullets/projectiles
Machine guns
Short-barreled rifle or shotgun ("sawed-off")

Jayden Perez
Jayden Perez

This user is far too experienced and sensible for this thread

Agrees.

Carter Rivera
Carter Rivera

I see your point, and it's valid.

However

Understand that attaching mental health to the ability to own a firearm scares people who have heard many liberals say they support a full gun ban through whatever means necessary. In addition, the interpretation of mental illness is open and could be twisted so that almost no one could own firearms. A wet dream for some and a nightmare for others. Understand that this is the reason why people are so defiant when this is brought up.

Juan James
Juan James

Ive always considered it a mental illness issue first.
expand background checks. Make it take a lot more effort. Make it so someone with a weak fortitude and a ilking for murder wouldn't be able to get access. Maybe even require 2 underwriters?

Angel Young
Angel Young

faux rape sexual fantasies
personal sexual gratification

You, sir, are doing God's work.

Logan Butler
Logan Butler

How about when someone can't spell conceited? Are they conceited or just laughing at ignorance?

Ayden Long
Ayden Long

I legally own a short barreled shotgun. Paid my $200 tax stamp and passed my background check.

You are incorrect.

William Gonzalez
William Gonzalez

Not all states allow you to own one. So, you're not fully correct.

Ryan Lee
Ryan Lee

That's exactly my point actually, your assumption I'm pro-gun is entirely based on that I'm an American. I would like to see one of two things happen in this country, a total gun ban with forced recollection on top of a buyback program, this would include amnesty for any currently illegal posession. Or, I would like "Gun Control" to go away, be repealed in every sense and for people who wish they were a Euro to just shut the fuck up and resume being the betas of our society.

Anything in between is a joke because of the technical truths of firearms, combat tactics and human behavior. As long as any wanna be gangster can have a 9mil for 200 bucks I want to be able to have all the guns.

Chase Clark
Chase Clark

It is legal for americans to buy non-automatic weapons
You can buy full autos too, they just have to be a certain age is all

Caleb Barnes
Caleb Barnes

sorry on a shitty mobile typing this while doing forklift shit.

Julian Roberts
Julian Roberts

760429803
full auto not allowed

Lincoln Diaz
Lincoln Diaz

The second post link in my post you responded to, son.
non sequitur, grams. Red fucking herring. Just tell us why Vegas is irrelevant regarding the banning of bump stocks.

Kevin Hall
Kevin Hall

age, credit, career backgrounds, criminal history etc

Kayden Adams
Kayden Adams

Reminds me, I saw a Brit show where a police chief said he wouldn't issue a gun permit to anyone insane, and he considered anyone who wanted a gun insane.

Luis Hughes
Luis Hughes

I would like to see stronger background checks myself.
my certifiably (as in they have given him multiple vaccys in the mental ward) bi polar brother decided to buy a handgun for who knows what. he passed the regular checks it took my mom finding out about and going to the pawnshop and showing them he was crazy to put a stop to it.

Matthew Davis
Matthew Davis

Mexico a third world shithole. How about that wall, btw?

Landon Torres
Landon Torres

This its impossible to tie mental health with gun owner ship many people may suffer from depression but that doesn't mean they should by disqualified to own a firearm however they should be removed from society until they are competent and no longer depressed or in a state of mental crisis.

Grayson Rivera
Grayson Rivera

Bumpfire stocks are an obvious jury rigged solution to get around machine gun ban laws. They are a natural free market solution to the gap caused by the bans.

I think they are stupid and should be legislated the same way as a fully automatic weapon. A semi-automatic weapon is one which fires one bullet for each time the user pulls the trigger, but doesn't need to be cocked manually in between each shot. With a bump fire stock you never actually "pull the trigger", it uses momentum to move the entire gun assembly while your finger never actually moves. Its not a conscious discrete muscle action for each bullet, hence automatic.

The legislation of whether or not machine guns should be banned is an entirely different discussion, I just think that bump fire stocks should also count.

Gabriel Butler
Gabriel Butler

Forklifts improve driving skills, did for me anyway

Blake Perez
Blake Perez

mosin
no kar98k

I am disappointed

Cameron Sanchez
Cameron Sanchez

I don't understand, how did the white guy get his dick in there soft. And how is the black guys prosthetic hooked to his bladder?

Isaac Smith
Isaac Smith

The perpetually friend-zoned guy implying
implying

Jack Allen
Jack Allen

Thank you for your reply but I am aware of what they are and how much they can change a rifle.
Im also in your camp concerning the legality of it all.

Nathan Martinez
Nathan Martinez

Tell me why the New York stabbing spree doesn't mean we should ban Chef Knives, kiddo.

Until you can understand that outliers should not dictate the center, you cannot understand what you ask for.

Wyatt Allen
Wyatt Allen

You never shot a gun ever why lie? is everyone in this thread from your marketing firm?
Fuck you guys

Andrew Robinson
Andrew Robinson

I didn't realize a piccany rail and telescoping stock (most common option vs fixed) makes a scary imaginary "assault rifle". It's functionally no different than a Ruger Mini-14 but no one is calling for it because it doesn't look scary.

James Phillips
James Phillips

I wonder who sits around and makes these.

Camden Hill
Camden Hill

Weve been day drinking (almost 1 here), boss is outa town for a whole month and told us to take it eeasyyyy

Luis Robinson
Luis Robinson

All calls for gun control are gun grabs. This hardly ever comes up until there's an incident, then everybody gets all exercised about it. For a couple of weeks. Then nothing happens because nothing proposed is ever A) Constitutional or B) effective.

Want to stop school shootings? Stop sending kids to mega schools where it is impossible to avoid tribal class structures and possible for the mentally ill to become weaponized in the shadows.

Jonathan Russell
Jonathan Russell

career backgrounds
If you mean this in some sort of background check then sure but you don't need a job to necessarily buy any gun as long as you have the money and in certain states the paperwork too. Every time I buy a gun from a shop it's a breeze because I have nothing on my record, though there's hardly any record of my existence overall(If I were a gun dealer this could either seem like a really coo thing or really sketchy and they should choose not to sell to me honestly)

22 never held a job in my life and trade stocks/cryptos

Dominic Rodriguez
Dominic Rodriguez

Unfortunately when asked what constitutes an "assault rifle" most people think AR-15 or black with a magazine. My Ruger 10/22 would fall under that desciption lol

Zachary Rivera
Zachary Rivera

I actually can buy a grenade launcher

Gavin Watson
Gavin Watson

I'm sure there are some methods to keep severely mentally ill people from accessing firearms. Universal background checks, including mental health history in evaluation, etc.

Understand though that there is a history of bait and switch when it comes to lawmaking in this country. Conservatives and liberals don't trust each other inherently because of it. People well and truly believe that at some point, being depressed will be identified as a reason to not own a firearm. How many Americans have been diagnosed with depression?

Unfortunately, no one on the conservative side of things believes that liberals won't exploit that kind of language in a law to remove as many firearms as possible.

I truly wish there was more honesty and trust, because we do need to get past the idea of gun laws in order to address the real issues here.

Justin Green
Justin Green

because committing a mass murder with knives takes alot of planning and usually a shit ton of other people. Knife attacks are mostly politically motivated.

Carter White
Carter White

Yes, and no. I agree with a lot of your post, but there is intentional muscle force to operate a bumpstock. You nee constant and consistent forward push with your forearm, otherwise there isn't enough spring to propel trigger group into your finger.

Daniel Hughes
Daniel Hughes

Tell me why the New..
no, I asked you something, stop deflecting. Answer my question or fold your shit, grandma.

Samuel Rogers
Samuel Rogers

Yes, if you get a permit through the ATF.

Henry Sanders
Henry Sanders

Fair enough. But, the original post implies that this is universal or a federal law, which it is not.

Bentley Smith
Bentley Smith

Im not that user but I dont see the need for that type of response. They do cause damage especially if you let it ramp off too many shots.

Christopher Wilson
Christopher Wilson

Ah, got'cha.

Brandon Foster
Brandon Foster

Tell me more about how you bypassed the NFA, I would very much like to do so myself

Blake Lopez
Blake Lopez

When machine guns are defined as something other mechanically than a bumpfire stock. Redefining a bumpfire stock as one can cause a slippery slope on which other parts like triggers, muzzle brakes etc could be drawn into.

Liam White
Liam White

Land of the free, you can get anything here as long as you have the paperwork/licenses. I love this country and if need be I'll die for it and everything it was founded on/for.

Nicholas Wright
Nicholas Wright

not all NFA items are “banned”
only new machine guns are banned
old machine guns can be purchased
sometimes expensive, e.g., machine guns
need tax stamp
need local law enforcement approval
state or local law can outright ban NFA items at their discretion, e.g., California
So much goddamned disinformation in this fucking thread.

Levi Torres
Levi Torres

The las vegas attack didn't take a lot of planning? And from all the different rumors, other people?

I answered your question if you were to finish reading the post. Stop being a child.

Aaron Hernandez
Aaron Hernandez

You are aware the purpose of the 2nd amendment is not to allow us to protect ourselves from robbers right?

Its so the population has the means to up-rise and kill the lawmakers if the times get desperate enough. That's what is so ironic about the anti-gun politicians.

Eli Bell
Eli Bell

Nobody's going to take anyone's guns away.

2016- after the Pulse Nightclub shooting, Democratic members of congress hold a 24 hour sit-in in protest of gun violence.
Legislation introduced: None
2017- A man with a surplus SKS rifle literally fires at members of congress playing baseball
Legislation Introduced: None
2017- a few days after the Las Vegas Mirage Hotel shootings, the largest mass shooting in US history, the idea of banning or regulating "Bump Stocks" for semi-automatic rifles is brought up informally by congress.
Legislation Introduced: None

settle down, gun nuts
the debate is over, and your side has had it won for decades
the occasional mass murder of innocent people is just the price the rest of us have to pay

Adam Stewart
Adam Stewart

youtu.be/hCCT8JtwQeI

Easton Perez
Easton Perez

That's an adjustable stock. A folding stock is to make it more compact.

Sebastian Roberts
Sebastian Roberts

I'm actually not assuming anything. I didn't think there was enough in your post to ascertain if you were pro or anti gun.

But I agree with your sentiment. The in between is a joke and really nothing more than a means to buy votes from scared people.

Easton Gonzalez
Easton Gonzalez

Just makes him American

Justin Perez
Justin Perez

lol you can bump fire with a standard stock, it's a human pet trick, seen my cousin do it...and then a park ranger came and lectured us for half an hour

also I could make one in my garage from just stuff, it's really not a complex device, ffs you people need Jesus and shop classes

Samuel Ramirez
Samuel Ramirez

ar14
Clearly one worse than an AR-15 but four better than an AR-10

Colton Taylor
Colton Taylor

I answered your question if you were to finish reading the post
no, you asked me another question instead. Stop being senile.

Carson Davis
Carson Davis

The 4th Amendment... Crazy people's privacy trumps the background check databases.

That is new manufacture for civilian ownership not Police or Military.

Not legally at a gun store or something. Surprise, surprise that a criminal would break a law about purchasing a firearm, when denied firearms though.

.357 won't fit into a .38SPL... the case is too long. Forcing cone, fella.

abilities a sporting rifle never needs.

Ummmm what? there is a whole group of folding and breakdown hunting rifles for carry or transport. Sorry, that is a logical fallacy.

Dominic Moore
Dominic Moore

Bump stocks are a gimmick. I'm fine with banning them. People buy them for the fun of it, and it does convert a semi-auto rifle into a semi-functional automatic rifle. In reality a semi-auto would be more deadly in the hands of a half competent person, but if some nut got loose in a crowd with a bump stock, it could be bad. I'd be fine with a ban.

The problem is it never stops with just that.

Christian Cooper
Christian Cooper

You don’t need a permit

Christopher Reed
Christopher Reed

I would argue that it is for ultimate self defense, inclusive of the bear down the street, the robber down the street, or the lawmaker down the street.

Ian Kelly
Ian Kelly

because normal people dont hold fetishism for guns. You can probably blame Hollywood's gun choices for movies though.

Landon Allen
Landon Allen

Public image and the gun looks scary, what is there not to get? Its easy to make people uncomfortable when you wave around that gun (a super common one) and talk about all the shootings it was involved in. Its become a symbol for the anti-gun agenda pushers.

Samuel Gomez
Samuel Gomez

I don't know if it's possible or even constitutional, but I do know this is exactly what some want.

Depressed people commit suicide and homicide every day. Enough of a reason for liberal minded people to advocate for this sort of thing.

Alexander Bell
Alexander Bell

pay a tax and follow the other requirements CLEO sign off, fingerprints, etc.

Xavier Bennett
Xavier Bennett

which is why you're a fucking retarded American.

Jace Lopez
Jace Lopez

Not that user but it all depends on the state you're in. Weird to me that other countries don't realize that each state has their own lies and it's all down to which one you're in.

Owen Parker
Owen Parker

stronger background checks
The background checks in my state can bench press 200 lbs and do consistent reps on 75 lb arm curls.

Austin Foster
Austin Foster

Machine guns are extremely expensive here.

Asher Baker
Asher Baker

make your plea non-partisian and it might help.

Elijah Walker
Elijah Walker

Could you elaborate?
Ty.

James Russell
James Russell

Good points.

Having not attended a mega school such as you describe, I have no idea what that might be like. I do think that bears some investigating though.

Thomas Nguyen
Thomas Nguyen

I love ak's. They're so simple. So much tolerance. Really a beautiful design. And the best thing is nutjobs don't seem to like them for mass shootings. Go figure.

Alexander Wood
Alexander Wood

machineguns, short barreled rifles in<16.5, short barreled shotguns in<18,
these are available as well, they require a tax stamp as well

explosives
license req'd

Jason Adams
Jason Adams

I’m aware, because I took that picture in Nevada

Ian Gonzalez
Ian Gonzalez

Jesus, do you have a mental deficiency? Should we have thrown you to the wayside at birth?

I pointed out, by my question and then by the follow up, that an outlier should not determine what happens in the norm. An attack like Las Vegas is a one in 50 years kinda thing.

Brandon Gutierrez
Brandon Gutierrez

multiple shooters during vegas
Okay I see where your viewpoints are.

Jace Stewart
Jace Stewart

thats exactly what happened we fired way too many rounds in too short a time. you really shouldn't shoot 5 mags dry as fast as you can with a bump stock just to see what happens.

Colton Rivera
Colton Rivera

sure kid

Hudson Brooks
Hudson Brooks

Retard alert.

Elijah Gutierrez
Elijah Gutierrez

Ignoring all the nonsense, hunting and home defense both are centered around its role in killing.

A gun it meant to kill, a car is meant to drive. Please, for the sake of those who work hard to stop the tide of anti-gun bullcrap, don't use that argument anymore. It makes the rest of us look like morons by association.

Isaac Evans
Isaac Evans

Sabatti rover thumbhole here

William Lopez
William Lopez

I didn't mean you don't know, I meant other people in the thread
With as much firepower is out there in the whole country you would think that people would be really scared of a GL before any rifle because one shot can fuck up multiple people and cause structural damage.

Liam Bell
Liam Bell

I never said multiple shooters. I said multiple people, sure, but not multiple shooters. I didn't even say the other people were in on it. The busboy that carried up his luggage, say.

But great projection.

Jackson Ross
Jackson Ross

give a rifle a carbon stock and a cpl rails and oooo its an Assualt Rifle everyone hide

Joseph Barnes
Joseph Barnes

An attack like Las Vegas is a one in 50 years kinda thing.
spree shooting happens all the time in the US, what exactly makes Vegas so unique? The bump stock? That made it more effective. The high-ground position of the shooter? Same, but not exactly a genius novelty. Explain your archaic ass, grandpa.

Parker Lee
Parker Lee

Bear in mind anyone can build one of these from parts they get from the hardware store.

For the uneducated it's the Luty Submachine gun. You can buy the book with in instructions on amazon. Or even just google it.

With things like this and Defense Distributed's Liberator, gun control is a moot point.

Justin Anderson
Justin Anderson

in certain states you can own literally anything including grenade launchers

Robert Green
Robert Green

Not true user. Let me lay out why:

The Trump phenomenon and the interaction between him and the Republican party will cost the republicans the Senate for sure, and probably the house. I have my doubts that Trump could survive a reelection and I doubt the republicans can prop up a better candidate.

That means sweeping gun legislation. Expect a smorgasbord of liberal ideas being crammed into an 800 page bill, or motions to repeal the 2A entirely.

That's my prediction at least.

James Morgan
James Morgan

Guess Im the moron now.

In reply to this...

Connor Cox
Connor Cox

We need to ban that tactical sniper rifle!

Adam Evans
Adam Evans

the debate is over, and your side has had it won for decades
decades
nah a little longer than that. since the founding of the country really, especially considering those were the tools used which ultimately lead to it's creation in the first place

the occasional mass murder of innocent people is just the price the rest of us have to pay
the occasional mass murder of innocent people has happened throughout human history and will continue to happen due to our nature and wolves in society*
fix'd

Asher Williams
Asher Williams

arizona a best

Nathan Reyes
Nathan Reyes

I doubt it.

Levi Ortiz
Levi Ortiz

Actually they used to be the "scary" media gun before AR-15's replaced them, and yes some nutjobs did. Guy in UK shot up kids in a school, same happened in California. I'm sure there are more

Gavin Cox
Gavin Cox

If your graduating class is larger than 100-150 people, you have almost no chance of knowing your fellow students at all, let alone very well. The amazing thing is that we don't have a mass shooting at schools every week the way we warehouse kids without developed frontal lobes. And now we throw them into a world of Facebook and WorldStar to boot.

Adam Turner
Adam Turner

If these gun enthusiasts took a bigger stand against the mentally ill's ability to get a gun we would all be singing a happier tune. (with less dead kids)
However they seem to juxtapose themselves as the mentally anguished themselves when these types of conversations come up and feel threatened that the goberment is taking thier guns, which doesn't help the rest of the enthusiasts look sane.

Sebastian Bailey
Sebastian Bailey

CNC Machining makes a weapons ban pointless.

Anyone is able to buy an 80% lower for several kinds of firearms and machine the last bit.

The programming will progress to the point that a lower doesn't even need to be 80% any more.... A 100% billet will be suitable.

Easton Collins
Easton Collins

all the retards itt that don't know anything about guns and just follow what the media tells them

Brandon Bennett
Brandon Bennett

All correct until you started talking about guns

Caleb Cox
Caleb Cox

Seriously, and the kit is only about $800

Landon Gray
Landon Gray

When was the last time a shooter took a fortified, elevated position and shot down into a mass crowd that was more or less contained in an open air environment?

Just the one? Alright then.

Jesus fuck, kid, this isn't rocket surgery.

Noah Miller
Noah Miller

Fully automatics guns are pretty much a no no, the licensing required is extremely expensive not to mention the price of the weapons themselves.

Most explosives especially military surplus are outlawed.

Open bolt semis are typically illegal to make due to ease of transition in a fully automatic weapon.

Guns from Russia are banned due to import restrictions which really bums me out because I like Russian weapons the most.

Certain ammo types are outlawed, the armor piercing type of 5.7x28 that the Five Seven shoots is banned here for example.

Ayden Roberts
Ayden Roberts

Im a full on conservative and fully advocate that If you can function in day to day life and could possibly be a danger to yourself or others you should get help don't be afraid of stigma or whatever don't set and suffer in silence but really this is the American way and it should change.

Brandon Hughes
Brandon Hughes

You're now conflating hunting with mass shooting because they're both about killing?

Grocery stores sell ground beef. Grocery stores are kill.

Stop poasting.

Andrew Lewis
Andrew Lewis

so, why don't the murderous muzzies and other criminals in gommunist Europe, where guns are pretty much banned, just build their own machineguns?

Xavier Rivera
Xavier Rivera

so the patriot act allows the government to know that I fap to hentai but they cant do anything about arming a crazy kid?
Thanks Fed

Brayden Evans
Brayden Evans

Don't take the bait user...

John Powell
John Powell

youtube.com/watch?v=Q5cwP1HmEGo
youtube.com/watch?v=YpHQ-tkTI8M
tfw you realized there is currently an unknown amount of unserialized, unregistered firearms in the us being manufactured by citizens daily.

Jack Jackson
Jack Jackson

No we are not, that has a pistol grip, so not an SBS. If it had a full stock and a short barrel we could still have it, but that would take around 6-9 months

Eli Hill
Eli Hill

outlaw metal buying without a need and no sales of mills or lathes without ATF approval

Ian King
Ian King

Stop calling it common sense to try to bolster your argument. It's an infringement on our rights, no infringement is common sense.

Joseph Carter
Joseph Carter

but asking for help shows signs of fragility, something pretty important to those on the right.

Alexander Davis
Alexander Davis

right, so because this one prick was smarter in his planning sets him aside from all the other spree shooters, and invalidates the critique aimed at his modus operandi being eased by the legality of his arsenal of AR15's, bump stocks and casket mags.

gotcha.

you might as well argue that "when was the last time someone shot THIS specific school? Oh, it's never been shot up before? I rest my case durrr".

your confirmation of bias is astounding, grandma.

Levi Scott
Levi Scott

I think my graduating class was less than 200. It's been so damn long though.

Tyler Moore
Tyler Moore

Libertarians are literal shit-stains on a functioning society.
Just call yourself NatSoc you little puss.

Juan Bailey
Juan Bailey

Kek. Karma I suppose

Jayden Morris
Jayden Morris

Another good point. Again, my point is that the mental illness is the thing that should be focused on, even though I know we will follow through with unhelpful gun legislation first.

Austin Wright
Austin Wright

Comparatively cheap too i only paid 800 for mine a cpl years ago. it needed a new sear but thats cheap

John Gonzalez
John Gonzalez

These retarded arguments don't justify easily accessible semi auto rifles of any kind wood stock any stock any semi auto weapon should not be easily accessible.

Hunter Russell
Hunter Russell

Honest question:

Why do you think that? Don't you believe that democrats would fall over themselves to enact some kind of legislation? Healthcare wasn't bipartisan, so I can't imagine how this would need to be.

Ryan Hall
Ryan Hall

You don't even really need CNC machining, you can just build an open bolt SMG from parts you can buy from a hardware store.
One could go "2deep4me" and say human nature itself makes weapon bans pointless, since if you take away one method of murder, people will always find a creative alternative. People in China go on box cutter sprees and kill dogs with homemade poison darts, there's not much you can really do after a certain point

Grayson Gonzalez
Grayson Gonzalez

You clearly have no clue what MENTAL ILLNESS is.

Henry Turner
Henry Turner

Instead of having the kids smughle their own guns in. Bring the guns to the kids

Elijah Fisher
Elijah Fisher

dont forget the Based Sten

Owen Hall
Owen Hall

I have YOUR RESPONSE as a reference.

Noah Long
Noah Long

The key distinction I see is the discrete element. Bump fire stocks have even worse control than a fully automatic rifle. I would argue that they are even more dangerous because of this.

Yeh I know. You give an inch, they take a mile.

A perfect demonstration of what I said. This is a better explanation though.
youtube.com/watch?v=K2IOZ-5Nk5k

Yup. But it requires skill to perform the belt-loop trick. The stock makes it easy. Proper gun control should be about reducing statistical unintended casualties without infringing on our rights, like how you need a background check to guy a rifle. But as it stands right now, I see a bump fire stock is nothing other than a modification to turn a semi-automatic rifle into a "fully" automatic one.

Elijah Gray
Elijah Gray

outlaw metal buying

Oliver Martin
Oliver Martin

Is mental illness in and of itself really the problem though? There's always been crazy people but this wasn't a wide spread thing in the 1950s, 60s, 70s etc.

If everyone was legit trying to solve the problem they would look for common denominators. Prescription medication like anti-depressants and anti-psychotics (which have homicidal thoughts listed as a side effect) would be a better start. Most of these mass-killers were taking them.

Not that we'll ever see it discussed in the media since the pharmaceutical companies are advertisers.

Connor Hill
Connor Hill

No its not an infringement baning the weapon all together would be an infringement Im not say mandatory wait times on all weapons just SEMI AUTOS If you need a gun that day to protect your self buy a revolver and if you need a semi auto assault rifle or a full auto assault rifle just do the paper work and wait to get it.The only person that would not like this is a 10 year that wants an AR

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