Bleach's Story

Parker Cooper
Parker Cooper

How would you have fixed Bleach if you were in Kubo's shoes? I think his problem was that he obviously bit more than he could chew and should've waited to repeat the Rescue arc (or get another idea)

Also make Fullbringer arc more reminiscent of the first arcs since it had a similar vibe to them

Orihime, Chad, and Uryuu being important
As well as his friends from school
Just making his friends from school Fullbringers

Then make two more arcs after that. So the good can outweigh the Hueco Mundo/Fake Karakura town debacle

Though that's just story

Your thoughts?

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Jeremiah Gonzalez
Jeremiah Gonzalez

have him draw more lewd lolis and base a entire arc around them

Anthony Rogers
Anthony Rogers

bump

Grayson Phillips
Grayson Phillips

UHHHH I WOULD MAKE ICHIGO TITFICK ORIHIME AT THE FIRST EPISODE DUH

Gabriel Lewis
Gabriel Lewis

-Don't introduce more characters than I have to
-Tighten up the pacing so it doesn't feel like a dreadful slog
-Don't introduce subplots that I can't think of a good resolution for

Jeremiah Evans
Jeremiah Evans

I'd make sure Ichigo ends single because fuck shipping

Charles Brown
Charles Brown

All fair points.

Lincoln Long
Lincoln Long

Shinigami and Schoolife arc > Tokyo Trip arc > Ghost hunting with Don Kanonji arc > Rukia getting chased by Soul Society arc > Urahara and Tessai reveal arc >Soul Society Arc > Espada Arc > Soul King Arc > Hell Arc

Aaron Morgan
Aaron Morgan

How would you have fixed Bleach if you were in Kubo's shoes?
Yhwach succeeds in his plans, and makes every soul equal. This cures Yhwach's condition, but also makes the world a volatile place where no being can stand atop others and bring order.

The end is a gritty, desperate swordfight between the quincies and shinigami. Trump cards have changed from bankais and vollstandings to mere pocket sand, kicks to the nuts, two ganging up on one, and similar dirty tricks.

The (ex)shinigami win in the end, but must return to the human world to live as humans before the other realms crumble.

Nobody knows what awaits beyond death anymore.

Ryan Ramirez
Ryan Ramirez

Little Ishida was made for bullying.

Oliver Carter
Oliver Carter

That would've worked great honestly.

Andrew Taylor
Andrew Taylor

cut the number of Fraccion by half
remove the thousand year war arc

There, I fixed Bleach.

Nathaniel Campbell
Nathaniel Campbell

Kubo drawing Bleach porn.

Justin Thomas
Justin Thomas

At the Aizen saga, but with one episode explaining just what the soul king is. Kubo should just haved ended it there. Fans could have chosen what ever ship they saw (imagination), and he could have saved was else magic he had from Bleach, and saved his own career as a mangaka

Angel Reed
Angel Reed

-Ichigo doesn’t even know that rukia even achieved bankai. So much for the special ~blackmoonwhitesun~ bond. Those names weren't even used in canon actually.
-Kubo has rukia run straight to orihime instead of ichigo. Doesn’t even let them interact. She does nothing to help him out of his despair.
-Literally recycles the rukia giving ichigo back his powers FB scene, but with fucking tsukishima. He took one of the most beloved IR scenes and did that to it.
-No tagteam. Sends renji with him and the whole you were the one that brought up back together was obviously kubo telling us to get ready for renruki.
-The MOTS scan where orihime got love and friendship while rukia shared a page with renji(despite the fact that renji got his own scan a few months back) thats titled irreplaceable nakama.
-Has them interact twice this final arc. The hospital scene and the last chapter.
-Uraharas last words. The chapter is 666. Kubo was playing the devil himself when he baited the fuck out of IR fans.
-Last chapter is another nail on the coffin since they’re shown arguing over their parenting skills. ichigo/orihime are more protective(faeries follow kazui around, ichigo yelling at rukia to find her daughter) while rukia/renji are obviously more lax.
-Names the last chapter “death and strawberry” which is the most popular IR ship name. A chapter where ichigo and rukia are living in different worlds, happily married to other people, and started a family with their respective spouses.
-Gives the “death and strawberry” title to the renruki/ichihime kids.
-IRs convinced themselves that Japanese fans would be raging and burning their merch, but instead they were pretty comfy with it and all the complaining had to do with the missing characters.
-A whole article dedicated to Japanese fans mocking the Western fanbase for their tantrum. Calling them Ichiruk-ists.

Can't wait for the final volume to sell well so they can be BTFO again.

Juan Garcia
Juan Garcia

The finale ends up being the most happy illusion Aizen conjured for Ichigo, granting him a happy ending so that he doesn't suffer while Yhwach deletes fucking everything.

Adrian Rogers
Adrian Rogers

I kinda always wanted to see what Inoue, Chad, Urhara, Grimmjow and Nel were doing in Hueco Mundo.
I also wanted more of Ishida's build up to becoming the Quincy prince.
More of Ichigo and his team when they were reunited and going after Ishida/Yhwach.
Less shinigami. Always less of them.

Isaiah Roberts
Isaiah Roberts

FIRST EPISODE
That's too early. After the Mexico arch. He should have titfucked her then. Fullbring would have been more bearable if Ichigo was getting laid.

Julian Hughes
Julian Hughes

The thing about the scrapped Hell Arc that really interests me is who would have served as the antagonists. Nobunaga the Demon King is pretty cliched, but he's the first guy I thought of.

Owen Sanders
Owen Sanders

It's not too late, they can be the main antagonists of a Kazooie sequel.

Thomas James
Thomas James

kubo the icon

David Price
David Price

imgur.com/gallery/XcMWY

Jordan Torres
Jordan Torres

delete bleach.

Chase Young
Chase Young

tfw sol spin-off literally never

Nathan Miller
Nathan Miller

Did Kubo ever really referred to Hell in the manga as if it was important?

Isaac Thomas
Isaac Thomas

In the parakeet arc.

Christopher Lopez
Christopher Lopez

It's literally not happening

And it hurts

Juan Carter
Juan Carter

I could do with some brief segments showing what various characters are doing now that there's no war to fight.

Luis Diaz
Luis Diaz

What did he mean by these?

Zachary Rogers
Zachary Rogers

Kazooie
I've been wondering. Is this how his name is pronounced?

And yeah, I'd read a Kazui sequel. Shit, I'll read anything Kubo puts out. I don't know what that says about me.

Austin Brown
Austin Brown

I don't know what that says about you either, but I could get behind cute soul reapers doing cute things.

Daniel Baker
Daniel Baker

I wonder what her bankai would be

Her shikai was broken enough to defeat one of the strongest guys in the series

Easton Williams
Easton Williams

forgot pic

Dylan Bell
Dylan Bell

I think the same thing about Aizen.

Hudson Torres
Hudson Torres

Rare cases of Ichigo acting like a hetero man.

Landon Moore
Landon Moore

I think Ichigo denies his own libido in an attempt to be less like his father.

Angel Brown
Angel Brown

I believe it's pronounced ka-zwee.

Henry Fisher
Henry Fisher

Most of Bleach's problems can be laid at the feet of just having too many characters and taking too long to resolve anything.

Cut the vast majority of the introduced Shinigami out of the story, reduce the # of vizard/arrancar/espada.

Give the established cast shit to do with all the time you've saved cutting out all of the chaff from the cast. i.e. give Chad, Orihime, etc fights- maybe let them actually win, etc. Actually have them bond, have breather arcs to establish characters and explain backstories without having to do it in the middle of a fucking fight.

Hack the whole plot to the bone. Cut out every bit of extraneous horseshit and last second reveals. Explain the 1000-year war, Ichigo's mom being a Quincy, what Uryu's dad/grampa were up to back in the day, etc. earlier and more completely.

Cut the fullbringer arc completely. Fullbrings are retarded. Just make Chad and Orihime's powers oddities bestowed upon them by the hoagie because of their frustration at their lack of power to help Ichigo- that was a perfectly good and cool explanation.

Cut out goddamn near all of the Sternritter if you're not going to do much with them. Change how shrifts work if the whole alphabet not being there doesn't make sense.

Explain what... what the fuck is going on. Explain what the soul king's purpose was, why he's there, why the system works the way it is, why Aizen hates it, and why/what Ywach wants to do to change it. Maybe make it morally ambiguous so it's actually kinda conflicting internally to let the old system continue!

Also:
-Just get the bankais out of the way early since we have a smaller cast, don't write yourself into a corner with them.
-Actually avoid forgetting that some characters exist in the ending.

Kayden Roberts
Kayden Roberts

Ichigo's bankai breaks
he's taken to the Soul King's palace to get his blade reforged
it's revealed that Ichigo when his powers were jump started by soul society, never actually revived Zangetsu
instead it basically just flashed him into a fullbring cloak of a soul reaper
based on the reiatsu memories of the badge
which is why Haschwalt was so easily able to cut "Tensa Zangetsu" in half
him learning of his heritage allows him to finally come face to face with Zangetsu
whereupon he is able to finally become one with his blade
whereupon he literally fuses with his own blade as he accepts that due to his ridiculous hybrid nature, every aspect of his powers is literally just him at various stages
the hollow is his ruthless instinct to protect
the old man is his rational mind guiding him
and he himself is the source
this means that he's the ONLY shinigami who is literally The Blade
this is what allows him to ultimately hard counter The Almighty
when the blade forging process is complete
Ichigo puts his hands onto the white hot metal and pours in a piece of his soul
the heat and reiatsu evaporates the sea
we are left with the original Zangetsu
and his bankai is the original bankai with the broken chain
because even if he has accepted every bit of himself as one, the broken chain is a symbol of his disconnection from life
Ichigo originally was a human
he gained shinigami powers through Rukia
Byakuya cut his soul sleep and the other thing
he lost shinigami powers
Urahara cut Ichigo's soul chain
ICHIGO DIED FOR GOOD
now his body is just a gigai for his soul

all fights moving forward end more or less the same
until the final fight with Ywach
where when he goes bankai and Ywach breaks it, rather than dispairing, he instantly reforges a new blade using his quincy powers to manipulate the hollow in him to reforge a new blade and pour his shinigami powers back in to make it strong
final fight ends = Ywach btfo
Ichigo v Aizen commence

Easton Cooper
Easton Cooper

this means that he's the ONLY shinigami who is literally The Blade

Huh. Wonder how he and pic related would get along.

Tyler Sanders
Tyler Sanders

It was so fucking dumb to have the long development where Ichigo realizes that Zangetsu is literally him split into various parts and the damning implications of that compared to all the other Shinigami that exists; and then have that completely invalidated by Ywach going "I broke your blade," and then Ichigo never firing back with "so what? The blade is me." Conjuring another one and kicking Ywach's ass.

Aaron Ortiz
Aaron Ortiz

If he was shagging her before the last arc, we probably wouldn't have gotten the cleavage dress because Urahara wouldn't be able to tease Ichigo with a girl he's seen naked dozens of times before. On one hand, it looks out of place on someone as innocent and oblivious as Orihime, but on the other hand, tits.

Adrian Ross
Adrian Ross

The big flaws have been covered in previous posts, so I'm just going to add minor details like Isshin finally meeting his old squad to the mix.

Adam Johnson
Adam Johnson

Kubo has been going based on "what's a surprising thing I can do?" for a long time, his problem is he never thinks too hard about it and just writes in the moment without regard for the consequences or complications.

Brayden Davis
Brayden Davis

Kick Vince Russo off the writing team.

Elijah Perez
Elijah Perez

Idiots answer - "Just have him end up with Rukia, that could fix everything"

Actual answer - "Go ahead and have the ending you have, but actually resolve all the plot points and damn well answer things in a decent manner so it feels like a complete story. Show what happened to everything, make sure there aren't a dozen threads hanging around that aren't answered, what the hell happened to this plot point, fucking answer all the small things and the ending you had for the manga honestly probably would have been fine. The problem isn't the ending itself, the problem is that the ending doesn't feel complete since you didn't answer shit"

Kevin Reyes
Kevin Reyes

Who knows because we don't know where Kubo was going. There were solid ideas, but too much meandering and we didn't get the "resolution" expected.

Cooper Perry
Cooper Perry

Which is unfortunate, because the Blade is Me was arguably one of the best hard counters to The Almighty without resorting to the silver arrow ex machina. Especially since it was previously established that Ichigo can forge a blade out of his own soul during the Zaraki fight

original Zangetsu based on Rukia's hilt breaks under Zaraki's spiritual pressure
Quincy powers use the hollow inside Ichigo to forge a new Zangetsu for Ichigo to use
is able to cut Zaraki through his own insanely high spiritual pressure
said Zangetsu goes on to wreck Byakuya when using Getsuga Tenshou
goes on to injure Grimmjow
goes on to cut down Grimmjow
goes on to BTFO Ulquiorra at his strongest
goes on to BTFO Aizen at his strongest, who had already BTFO'd all of Gotei 13 by himself

But NOPE. Honestly, that moment was probably the biggest waste of potential in ALL of Bleach. Because it even went on to personify that how Nimaiya made his blades using blank hollow asauchi was exactly how Ichigo inherently operated due to his soul being a combination of shinigami, quincy, and hollow. The perfect hybrid unity that is able to create a blade that out one's soul--a method to Nimaiya own.

Joseph Russell
Joseph Russell

I would remove everything and instead expand on the universe in this ED.
youtube.com/watch?v=3Ej9WMbmE5k

Julian Morris
Julian Morris

Significantly less flashbacks.
No recaps ever.
Ichigo is a girl now.

Same way I'd improve Naruto, now that I think about it.

Alexander Miller
Alexander Miller

fight hollows
hollows are people
fight fullbringer
people are hollows
fight shinigami
swords are people
werewolves
dogs are shinigami
fight arrancar
swords are hollows
fight visored
shinigami are hollows
don't fight quincy
the quincy are dead
fight god
god is people
become god
people is god

Christian Hernandez
Christian Hernandez

Ichigo needs someone to vent out all his frustrations on,someone who isn't going to take his shit and press him where it hurts most, someone who knows him long enough and was always there for him.

Someone like pic related

Oliver Morgan
Oliver Morgan

Just make it YuYu Hakusho but with swords and none of the tourneys. Outside of that I'm fucked when it comes to ideas.

Gabriel Richardson
Gabriel Richardson

How can you not know how to pronounced it? It's Japanese, their phonetics are basically perfectly uniform:
KA like "cod"
ZU like "ism"
I like "eat"
You just have to speak like you're actually talking words in a sentence and not try to breath inbetween each syllable and over enunciate every vowel like a retarded child trying to read aloud.

Jason Rivera
Jason Rivera

Way to shit up with thread with shipping shit when no one was talking about it fucking Ichihime faggot. Please burn in a fire.

Bentley Turner
Bentley Turner

How would you have fixed Bleach if you were in Kubo's shoes?
Devolves into Ichihime shipping bullshit
I wish we could get the mods to delete Bleach threads.

Brody Peterson
Brody Peterson

Don't bother coming here user,its futile to discuss anything other than shipping,just forget Bleach went beyond the SS arc.

Jordan Thomas
Jordan Thomas

What if we combine these two ideas? Some guys break out of Hell, hijack some gigais, and end up in Karakura Town, so they end up trying to hide their identities while dealing with the locals, including some weird kid who's way too powerful for his own good.

Zachary Campbell
Zachary Campbell

So ignoring who had what powers and all that bullshit, who had the best family?

Benjamin Martinez
Benjamin Martinez

I'm personally fond of the Shibas.

Brandon Robinson
Brandon Robinson

I just want to know how he originally planned to finish the final arc.

So many open ends.

Zachary Reed
Zachary Reed

Has it ever been confirmed that Isshin isn't Kukaku, Ganju and Kaien's father?

Zachary Lewis
Zachary Lewis

I mean, technically, no, but he seemed pretty young as a captain just 20 years off, and it's not clear where the upper limits on Kaien and Kukaku's ages were. Also the original Shiba kids introduced had a distinct land/sea/sky+birds motif going on with their names and Isshin doesn't even remotely fit that which was always a little suspicious

Oliver Perez
Oliver Perez

Isshin also never stuck to the whole eyelashes thing the shibas had going on. it was their most distinct feature as a family

Mason White
Mason White

still super mad we never even saw or heard from the other 2 royal families in soul society

Daniel Roberts
Daniel Roberts

Soul society is super weird

Like Shinigami in general. We're lead to believe that they're a different being from regular souls, then we find out any regular soul that gets a zanpakuto could become a shinigami.
On top of that, shinigami that are born? That completely defies the established soul cycle.

It's as if Kubo didn't think it through

Anthony Sanders
Anthony Sanders

Remember how in the first draft of Bleach there was a Eastern Soul Society and this heavily implied there was a Western Soul Society.

Wasted. After, Ichigo defeated Aizen he could've came to the west and checked out how the western world does it soul business and different breed of Hollows.

Asher Johnson
Asher Johnson

That ending. Wow, and I thought Naruto's ending was bad. Regardless of what ship you preferred, the ending was just awful. Dozens and dozens of unresolved plotlines. We don't even to get to find out what the fuck the Soul King actually is. The series was quite literally left unfinished.

Aiden Lopez
Aiden Lopez

I think the main problems were character and tone. Ichigo's particular character needed to be guarded better and focused on more, and the tone shouldn't have been allowed to get too serious too often. A lot of the early appeal was the style, which seemed pretty flippant, and that flippancy was unfortunately lost. I also think less focus on powerups and transformations would've been nice, as it has a tendency to get dull and characters are further undercut when they aren't allowed to be clever and instead always have to power up to win the day.

As far as story, I think it didn't need to go beyond Soul Society because rescuing Rukia from execution should basically have resolved the initial premise of Ichigo being a fill-in shinigami; after that Rukia should've been able to return to her duties and Ichigo could've returned to his normal life, story over. I guess that would've necessitated having Soul Society as the big final story arc to round out a year or two of shorter story arcs set in the real world, rather than it being just the first of several big story arcs, but I think it would've worked out better.

I think Kubo would've been much better utilized in that scenario as well, because then he could've started over with a fresh concept and done that for a year or two, etc etc. Would've kept him from getting in over his head and kept his enthusiasm high; the decade+ long mangos should be left to those who want to do them.

I guess I put myself more in the place of his editors. Eh.

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