Tales of Zestiria za kurossu

Christopher Kelly
Christopher Kelly

Where were you when Tales was saved?

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youtube.com/watch?v=8fgIMRBiNug
outfit4events.com/eur/product/9572-one-and-a-half-handed-sword-emory/
pix-hd.com/practice arming sword
youtu.be/yYSQsxggmRs?t=33m55s
pixiv.net/member_illust.php?mode=medium&illust_id=57958833

Matthew Wood
Matthew Wood

split cour
ufotable being lazy fuck as usual.

Caleb Hernandez
Caleb Hernandez

Is this the only tales thread up?

Also for as generic as this story is, I've been enjoying this anime a lot.

Kayden Baker
Kayden Baker

lazy
Their team is too small.

Evan Williams
Evan Williams

This, I prefer split cour with consistent quality than everything going down the drain with schedule and production issues.

Cameron Kelly
Cameron Kelly

4th for Most Gallant Knight [In Shorts]!

Cameron Price
Cameron Price

So when does it get bad?

Kevin Gomez
Kevin Gomez

I don't think those two things have much to do with each other.

Brandon Clark
Brandon Clark

Splitting it up keeps the animation quality higher.

Carson Lee
Carson Lee

The anime or the game? The anime has been stella with only one epsode to go.

Anthony Howard
Anthony Howard

What? Split cour means they'll have more time to work on the latter 12 episodes.

Samuel Martinez
Samuel Martinez

So, let me get this straight... Everyone is wearing chainmail but the princess is not?

A well made royal-tier chainmail could have blocked that lazy stab.

Charles Adams
Charles Adams

You can almost see Alisha's royal treasure in this frame

Adam Smith
Adam Smith

The armor she uses has some legendary enchantment or some bullshit according to the game. Sorey asked her why she used an ornamental armor instead of a practical armor.

Gabriel Lopez
Gabriel Lopez

forgot pic.

Jacob Thomas
Jacob Thomas

im bored
all these horse sounds make my head hurt
wont that twat stop holding Sorey's hand already
I wanna go back to onii-chan

Austin Martin
Austin Martin

Not from my understanding of how this works.

Ryder Sanchez
Ryder Sanchez

Its not cute if you can't see her figure, user.

Andrew Miller
Andrew Miller

So how NTR'd do you think Baba is feeling since Rose is now Alisha's subordinate?

Levi Ortiz
Levi Ortiz

tfw Alisha will never sit on your face with her sweaty butt

Ryder Clark
Ryder Clark

I was promised a lance-wielding princess.

I feel robbed.

Carter Barnes
Carter Barnes

that Mikleo's face
I bet he's mad Sorey holding hand with a girl.

Angel Brown
Angel Brown

Well of course they aren't going to be spending the whole season working on it. It just means they'll have more breather time in between in case schedule for the later episodes is backing up.

Nathan Harris
Nathan Harris

No one is equipped with sensible armor. The writer/character designer just went with whatever looked nice, as always.

Jayden Fisher
Jayden Fisher

God eater have various production issues because Fate UBW

Dylan Torres
Dylan Torres

Its not cute if you can't see her figure, user.
You can't really see Rose's figure in any of her 3 canon outfits.

Andrew Miller
Andrew Miller

Well of course they aren't going to be spending the whole season working on it.
Yes, they are, and that's precisely it.
They need to start working on it right now so that they can deliver it later. That's why a small team means you can't do more than single-cour shows.

Logan Taylor
Logan Taylor

chainmail
stab proof
by a sword

kek.

Plate or Brigantine or get the fuck out. Chainmail is bad.

Jayden Kelly
Jayden Kelly

The very first instance of half-swording portrayed in an anime?

Henry Hughes
Henry Hughes

He's doing some parry counteratack shit.

Aiden Russell
Aiden Russell

That's not half-swording.
You can tell by the way that both hands are holding the sword at the same end.

Ian Richardson
Ian Richardson

hold sword by the blade
hit enemy with handle

that's pretty much halfswording/mordschlag alright.

Connor Ross
Connor Ross

Maria the Virgin Witch had it.

youtube.com/watch?v=8fgIMRBiNug

Kayden Edwards
Kayden Edwards

plate
implying you don't wear a chainmail under it
implying you don't wear a gambeson under both
Gotta onion the fuck up, user.
That's Mordhau.
Halfsword is when you stab them with the tip
Also Junketsu no Maria had some nice medieval takedowns.

Oliver Nelson
Oliver Nelson

That's not half-swording. That's mordhau. With half-swording, the tip is still pointed towards the enemy, and you use it mostly for thrusts. Mordhau is where you use the pommel as a club. Completely different.

Gabriel Nguyen
Gabriel Nguyen

implying you don't wear a chainmail under it
Not necessarily. You usually wear mail armor under plate if your plate armor is incomplete (commonly it's missing the back protection).

Gambeson and mail armor wear both relatively weak to stabbing.

Mason Cruz
Mason Cruz

didnt throw his pommel
didnt end him rightly

0/10

David Anderson
David Anderson

hold the blade with barehands
didn't bleed
well, that explain why he use the handle instead.

Aaron Thompson
Aaron Thompson

chainmail+gambeson

literally pleb-tier armor for the peasant levy.

Brigantine is the best.

Benjamin Morgan
Benjamin Morgan

Wearing plate only with normal clothes is gonna get your skin scraped up really quickly though.
At least a gambeson or some other padding is a must. Not only does it protect you from the plate but it also dampens blunt attacks.
Memester pls go.

Bentley Bell
Bentley Bell

hold the blade with barehands
didn't bleed
Nigger, you need to stop being afraid of blades. That's nothing to be amazed about.

Elijah Williams
Elijah Williams

what with that armor made him all smug?

Jonathan Sanders
Jonathan Sanders

Medieval swords aren't that sharp. The blade would chip and break too quickly.

Henry Howard
Henry Howard

Wearing plate only with normal clothes is gonna get your skin scraped up really quickly though.
Why do you assume that people wouldn't wear a gambeson along with their plate?
Are you just trying to gain internet argument points?
Stop being stupid.

Jordan Phillips
Jordan Phillips

Maybe she'll get to use it if she goes to Rolance.

Levi Ramirez
Levi Ramirez

you will never sniff Alisha's armor after a long day of travel and combat

Luke Harris
Luke Harris

He seems indifferent, just like the last 3 times he did

Chase Brooks
Chase Brooks

He's wearing an armor that doesnt look like one from the outside. All reason to be smug.

Here, have som Chinese brigantine boots.

Leather boots on the outside, fucking armored iron-clad on the inside.

Enemy strikes at you, thinking that he has you now - but NO, his sword is deflected and you kick him in the balls instead, crushing his hope to raise a family forever.

Robert Gray
Robert Gray

Witnessing.

Blake Ortiz
Blake Ortiz

Dunno, I thought you or that other user were arguing that only plate was needed.

Grayson Sanders
Grayson Sanders

Tales was saved by Berseria. Not by the Zestiria anime.

Fun fact: Baba almost wormed his way in regards to Berseria. But the director didn't take any of his tips so now Baba is still "promoted". Fuck Baba.

Caleb Cook
Caleb Cook

It's called brigandine, and I don't think it's good for deflecting blows. There was a reason it was later replaced by naked steel.

Gabriel Bennett
Gabriel Bennett

anime will ignore her dragon oniichan like the game did

Kayden Ramirez
Kayden Ramirez

As said, she doesnt seem to wear any armor but her gauntlets and arm-protection.

David King
David King

OTP

Xavier Torres
Xavier Torres

Tales of /k/
Post your medieval swordfu.
Mine's this only because I'm too short and weak for a proper longsword.

Hudson Cooper
Hudson Cooper

I thought you or that other user were arguing that only plate was needed.
You do realize that typing "plate armor + gambeson underneath" takes way more time than just typing "plate armor"?

When I tell you that I wear a jacket outside - because it's cold, do you take from that I am wearing no pants?

Tyler Evans
Tyler Evans

Also the sabatons and greaves.

you will never take a deep whiff of her riding boots at the end of a day

Jacob Hall
Jacob Hall

Best healer duo.

Jonathan Harris
Jonathan Harris

That is a longsword, fagggot.

Justin Morales
Justin Morales

I think you're confused with Lailah.

Gavin Edwards
Gavin Edwards

Because I'm a retard who is tall enough to use one of these.

Parker Hall
Parker Hall

Kill yourself

Jace Sullivan
Jace Sullivan

That's not what google-senpai told me.
outfit4events.com/eur/product/9572-one-and-a-half-handed-sword-emory/

Andrew Howard
Andrew Howard

He looks so disgusted with her though.

Jack Green
Jack Green

One-and-a-half sword means you use it with two hands (which makes it a long sword) while at the same time being light/small enough that you can perform a few one handed maneuvers.
A one handed thrust reaches further than a two handed one.

William Garcia
William Garcia

Speaking of healers is Dezel gonna use his subpar heal to help Alisha.

Luke Green
Luke Green

You clearly don't understand delusional shipperfag speak.

Two people standing by eachother = foreplay
Two people bickering = Undeniable lust and marriage
Bonus if they are boy and girl.

Nathan Baker
Nathan Baker

Hey it could be worse, it could be Lailah healing her.

Aiden Miller
Aiden Miller

Half-swording is lame and you should feel bad.

Lucas Campbell
Lucas Campbell

I bet seraphim don't have periods since they don't reproduce. A seraph waifu would be nice.

Dominic Lee
Dominic Lee

Two cours long
Nah, we got time. The anime is doing good so far, so there's hope.

Jackson Bailey
Jackson Bailey

We used to point out that seraphs can alter their entire bodies except for their hair color, just like the Xillia spirits but then some fujo gets triggered when you mention that.

Isaiah Smith
Isaiah Smith

Watching epsiode 25 of re:zero I suppose

Nolan Young
Nolan Young

sword

pleb.

A swordbreaker is my choice of waifu.

Coincidentially, it is called "waifu breaker", which is kinda lewd in the rapey way.

Jaxon Long
Jaxon Long

Thats false, the blades were really sharp
There is nothing strange in holding a sword by it's blade, it's the base of half swording.
You try with a kitchen knife

James Howard
James Howard

He probably just self inserts into Alisha now.

Leo Cook
Leo Cook

Brigandine is better against stabbing. But yeah, deflection isnt its strong-part.

Joseph Foster
Joseph Foster

The important thing is not to let your fingers slide.

Michael Moore
Michael Moore

Bonus if they are boy and girl.

Not in this day and age. Fujos are pretty much advanced delusion.

Ethan Thompson
Ethan Thompson

No I'm pretty sure one and half swords are meant to be held one hand on the grip normally and the other hand on the pommel as opposed to two hands on the grip like proper two handed swords.

Isaac Reyes
Isaac Reyes

So Mikleo can be a proper girl then huh

Aaron Long
Aaron Long

And? Just as delusional as hetfags in this case.

Isaac Rivera
Isaac Rivera

Soon

Hunter Collins
Hunter Collins

All shipperfags are delusional

Cooper Wright
Cooper Wright

Sword

lel

Andrew Peterson
Andrew Peterson

Based director.

Aaron Allen
Aaron Allen

Yep, but don't let the fujos hear you say that.

Nicholas Rivera
Nicholas Rivera

Wasnt China rather going with scale armor?

The star-scale, for example, was a highly effective armor that protects against basicallly everything, even against stabbing, as the enemy blade has little hope to get between the interlocking star-scales and break them apart, as with european chainmail and scale armor.

Jordan Diaz
Jordan Diaz

When the grip is long enough for you to place both hands on it, you are supposed to grab it with both hands.
Holding a sword by the pommel is how you take a short-grip sword (arming swords) into a two handed grip.

Nathan Howard
Nathan Howard

That was only because the fujos who are closet dykes clog up the thread with the female Mikleo best girl meme.

Well, when they're not validated by canon.

Liam Moore
Liam Moore

Not sharp enough to cut your hand when you grab it tightly and certainly not as sharp as a kitchen knife.

Joseph White
Joseph White

You forgot to mention the tip Baba gave.

Baba said that Velvet should not go through with her revenge.

Director said fuck that. So Velvet got her revenge.

Levi Young
Levi Young

I'm pretty sure they were sharper than my kitchen knives.

Elijah Butler
Elijah Butler

1. People were just joking around 2. That habit started to stop Rose v. Alishafags debates. 3. People still call Mikleo best girl.

The only person who actually got upset about it was just a fujo.

Joseph Parker
Joseph Parker

I heard that the anime diverged greatly in regards to the characterization. Is it true? Will Rose's sociopathic tendencies be finally called out?

Cameron Cook
Cameron Cook

Not sure if you can say it diverges so much as characters are just allowed to do their shit without the story stopping them.

The narrative or rather just Sorey does call Rose's whole creed bullshit indirectly, and the world building was changed so that she's undeniably wrong.

Andrew Baker
Andrew Baker

Does he act like a spooky ghost knowing Rose is afraid of them.

Zachary Jackson
Zachary Jackson

I heard a silly story about how modern reenactors have adopted a policy of non-hostility between groups of halberd-men. They'll charge at each other but raise their weapons at the last second.

They did this because when they were still actually attacking each other, everybody died immediately.

Leo Johnson
Leo Johnson

I probably picked a bad picture but one and half swords have a shorter grip than two handed longswords but not short enough to be purely one handed like pic related.
One and half swords are deliberately designed to be held on the pommel with one hand. I've used one before, it's not just a variation on a one handed sword and not long enough to be a longsword.

John Cox
John Cox

A smile worthy of protection

A butt capable of inducing erection

Ryan Mitchell
Ryan Mitchell

fujo getting upset over other cancerous fujos
What? The only people who shitpost about Mikleo was fujos and they're also the one who repeats the 'best girl meme' or push out the 'Mikleo has a pussy!' bullshit.

Logan Hernandez
Logan Hernandez

Where were you when Tales was saved?
Care to explain?

Nicholas Rodriguez
Nicholas Rodriguez

That's the picture of an arming sword, not a one-and-a-half handed sword.
pix-hd.com/practice arming sword

Bentley Roberts
Bentley Roberts

I think Zetsy has the best opening of the year

Oliver Howard
Oliver Howard

And people tended to do it because to stop Rose v. Alishafags who had a habit of shitposting for half the thread. Both groups were infinitely worse. And even Mikleo waifufagging tended to happen when during a slow part of the day, so it never got in the way of any discussions.

Angel Taylor
Angel Taylor

but not short enough to be purely one handed like pic related.

Jaxson Lee
Jaxson Lee

Scale in padded silk/wool cloth: Brigandine

You basically can put everything you like under the cloth sandwich, nail it together, and call it a brigandine.

And it always will be quite effective.

Eli Lopez
Eli Lopez

They are long swords, they are just relatively short long swords.

Christopher Flores
Christopher Flores

I specifically remember that it was just one particular fujo who got upset about it, and it wasn't even for shitposting either, it was because of some tumblrina bullshit.

Jaxon Brooks
Jaxon Brooks

I guess it's just wrong terminology? The one I used really didn't have a long enough grip to fit two hands comfortably. You could only hold the other hand on the bottom of the pommel. Whereas with "longsword" I meant the kind of two-handed-sword-that-is-not-a-greatsword where you were supposed to hold it with both hands on the grip.

Christopher Anderson
Christopher Anderson

Reminder that they should just fuck already.

Truly, we have entered into a new era where Rosefags and Alishafags can work together and join hands with the fujos in their homosexual fantasies. Praise the ToZ anime!

Lucas White
Lucas White

Why would fujos want Mikleo to be a girl? Don't they usually hate female characters for getting in the way of their gay ships or some shit?

Joshua Parker
Joshua Parker

Wonder why they're called bastard swords? There must be a reason.

A reason that is over both of your stupid fucking heads.

Camden Flores
Camden Flores

They are really longswords in development. People needed more punching power so they experimented with longer grips, or grabbing their swords by enlarged pommels, or even holding them by the blade.
They are not primarily two handed.

Nicholas Sanchez
Nicholas Sanchez

I really liked their tag team fighting.
If they can be friends maybe Alisha and Rosefags will lay down their weapons as well.

Angel Baker
Angel Baker

Considering the last thread, I wouldn't bet any money on it.

Benjamin Wilson
Benjamin Wilson

Watching Re:zero

Noah Ortiz
Noah Ortiz

This episode = nasty.

Grayson Fisher
Grayson Fisher

I'll accept Rose if she fucking gets called out big time in the 2nd cour.

Berseria already called out her kind of behavior. I'm hoping Ufotable does the same.

Robert Robinson
Robert Robinson

In the game it was technically Lunarre who called her out, but because it was Lunarre she didn't give a fuck.

What they need to do is to make her experience the negative consequences to her beliefs.

Joshua Williams
Joshua Williams

Because the entire concept of yaoi mimicks hetero relationship. Girl with a dick with a masculine man is the standard. Mikleo already looks feminine and some nips see him as that so going one further step to give him tits and a pussy is rather common. That's why I call them closet dykes. It's really funny.

Nathaniel Cruz
Nathaniel Cruz

But there wasn't much fighting in the last thread. There was discussion on whether her actions were right or not but it was plenty civil.
I don't think it'll directly get called out since anime Rose hasn't really done anything bad on-screen yet. I do believe she might change her mindset seeing how much they focused on Alisha stopping her this episode. They wouldn't just let her easily kill again as soon as Alisha isn't looking.

Xavier Adams
Xavier Adams

switched directions twice with her sword after the parry before her opponent could even react
That is some incredible shoulder and core strength. I bet you'd be able to bounce nickels off of her lats and obliques.

And of course, there was Rose spinning everywhere this episode. I hope these mooks have glorious dreams of getting dom'd by these two.

Ian Butler
Ian Butler

But then wouldn't they just be, people who in reality like het?

If they prefer heterosexual couples then they aren't dykes.

Also
getting so upset about a character being girly that you actually get triggered.

Elijah Fisher
Elijah Fisher

That is some incredible shoulder and core strength.
You forget that nimble movements require no strength in fiction for some reason, just like archery.

Blake Davis
Blake Davis

So was the overall verdict on Berseria?

Jace Brooks
Jace Brooks

why is she holding the sword like that?

Kayden Reyes
Kayden Reyes

Because that's where a good sword is balanced. It's the most comfortable place to hold it.

Sebastian Hernandez
Sebastian Hernandez

Because RPGs have taught us that you can either max out STR or DEX and so being fasd means that you have no strength and muscles.

Parker Flores
Parker Flores

Because anons wet themselves over the prospect of half swording in anime.

Jace Bennett
Jace Bennett

Check the image.

Yeah I'm not joking. The elevens say that's it's better than Xillia up to Zestiria. It's a return to form. Considers it one of the best in the series.

Importers also love it. Says everything so much better than Zestiria (which frankly is not that hard to do).

Landon Russell
Landon Russell

You dont wear chainmail under plate.

You wear fabric under plate. And chain around the non-plated area.

Evan Bell
Evan Bell

Well thus far in the anime she's accepted the request of a corrupt politician to murder a princess that is beloved by the people because said politician said so.

She's has also outright stated that she believes that she can kill one person to save a thousand, though Soey and Lailah pointed out that such a belief was bullshit. So her creed is already an area that needs to be addressed.

So there is still an part of her character that needs to be addressed. Though they can easily fix it by having Alisha's injury weigh on her conscious.

Easton Bell
Easton Bell

Alisha has some really proper swordfighting techniques and movements
meanwhile Sorey swings his magical shockwave saber and spams magic with his other giant spiky JRPG weapons
Seraphs were a mistake

Jaxon Fisher
Jaxon Fisher

Because she has clearly just disarmed her opponent and is holding his sword how she wrested it away from him.

Jose Morris
Jose Morris

You dont wear chainmail under plate.
Yes, you do.
But reduce the amount of mail the more advanced your plate gets.
Wearing mail only where you are not protected by plate would create gaps.

Luke Morris
Luke Morris

Fuck off Edna is for Zaveid and Mikleo is for Sora.

Brandon Sanders
Brandon Sanders

She's has also outright stated that she believes that she can kill one person to save a thousand, though Soey and Lailah pointed out that such a belief was bullshit.
Didn't Yuri from ToV believe in the same thing?

Blake Smith
Blake Smith

It's liked because it's not Zestiria. Which is only a step up from hating Zestiria because of Rose.

Christian Cruz
Christian Cruz

Yuri was never challenged about it. He just mellowed out on his crazy as the story went on.

Joshua Parker
Joshua Parker

But then wouldn't they just be, people who in reality like het?
Well yeah. Alot of BL is just het in disguise. But the dicks are still there so there's that.

If they prefer heterosexual couples then they aren't dykes.
But they prefer to change a male to a complete female so yeah, they'd be dykes.

Matthew Hughes
Matthew Hughes

How do we protect this smile?

Oliver Ortiz
Oliver Ortiz

Yes and no, Yuri actually acknowledged that had no right to kill them, and he only waited until after they got away with murder and were going to do it again.

Yuri got called out on it by Flynn, then Estelle and the whole team. There's even a side quest where he comes across someone who does it and he acknowledges that it's wrong.

Alexander Ward
Alexander Ward

Alisha has near death experienced and becomes closer to seraph world
Attacku helps preserve her life
now she sees seraphs and is infused with Norman Power
Rose becomes her powerbottom

THE ERA OF ALISHA IS NOW

Jaxon Watson
Jaxon Watson

I dunno. I mean, people said he was a based character because of it. I don't get why people would be angry over what Rose is doing yet glad when Yuri does it.

Angel Taylor
Angel Taylor

Will this thing do anything different from the game? If not, I'm done, I don't want to see Rose: The Anime.

Michael Moore
Michael Moore

Alot of BL is just het in disguise.
How would you know user? Do you read it?

Kayden Hall
Kayden Hall

But they prefer to change a male to a complete female so yeah, they'd be dykes.
To be a dyke that would meant that both characters would be female. But just changing one character to male to female makes it a heterosexual relationship, and that's what they prefer.

A dyke isn't heterosexual, user.

Justin Mitchell
Justin Mitchell

You don't?
Anons are supposed to be knowledgeable.

Christopher Martin
Christopher Martin

I'm pretty sure the game is Edna: The Anime, but people didn't care since she was the cute little sister type.

Ayden Rodriguez
Ayden Rodriguez

I bet you'd be able to bounce nickels off of her lats and obliques.
I would want to bounce my lips and tongue off them.

Austin Robinson
Austin Robinson

TO Rose

This made me laugh more than it should.

Ethan Reed
Ethan Reed

Calling a person who likes het a dyke is hardly an example of being knowledgeable.

Ryder Rogers
Ryder Rogers

Because Yuri was different from the standard idealistic Tales male protag. It was solely because he did it first.

Aiden Perry
Aiden Perry

It wasn't all about Edna unless you're a lolicon who only focused on Edna and was somehow able to ignore Rose, which is the one thing lolicons are seemingly good at, ignoring anything that isn't a loli.

Aiden Nelson
Aiden Nelson

Wow that's pretty gay of you user

Alexander Thompson
Alexander Thompson

No, because Yuri was called out on it by the his team, they acknowledged was wrong and said it to his face.

Ryan Ross
Ryan Ross

There's so much double standard in your post, I'm not even sure where to begin, user.

Parker Hall
Parker Hall

Probably because Yuri knew it was wrong to go around murdering people and the game didn't pretend like he was in the right.

Ethan Morgan
Ethan Morgan

Alisha is a trained pro, Sorey learned to fight slaughtering boars in the mountain.

Benjamin Cox
Benjamin Cox

But that doesn't change the fact that fans love him because of it. Getting called out on it has no bearing on the fact they found his 'kill one to save another' actions incredibly based.

Parker Cox
Parker Cox

Sorey was raised and trained by seraphs.

Kevin Adams
Kevin Adams

It's half of an Alisha: the anime with Rose as a sidekick.
The other half is Sorey's adventures.

Xavier Jones
Xavier Jones

It's my favorite Tales now, saying as someone who played everything in the series except Rebirth and Symphonia 2

Kayden Nelson
Kayden Nelson

I'm not gay if that's what you're thinking.

I'm not referring to how fujos like to emulate heterosexuality in their pairings in this case. I'm referring to the Mikleofag fujos who post all those female Mikleo edits from previous threads. They enjoy the thought of Mikleo being a beautiful girl with a pussy, so they would be dykes in my eyes.

Isaiah Scott
Isaiah Scott

TO Rose

Anthony Williams
Anthony Williams

tox 2 better than tox
a game that reuses 85% of it's predecessor's assets

Gets me every time.

Hunter Torres
Hunter Torres

So it's not quite like the game then? If that's the case, I'll give it a watch. Would be one of those rare times where I actually prefer an adaptation to not be verbatim to the game.

Michael Powell
Michael Powell

No, but like I said, Yuri was confronted about his beliefs, outright told he was wrong, never framed as though he was right, and even acknowledged his actions as incorrect. And even then he only attacked people after they had committed a crime.

Rose on the other hand literally lives in a world where people like her cause a lot of terrible bullshit to happen, the fact that the game never acknowledges nor has Rose be made to confront the fact that her beliefs are wrong. She ends the game thinking that she's right, and the game's narrative is in shambles because of it.

Nicholas Brooks
Nicholas Brooks

The Seraph didn't train him. Early skit in the game is Alisha asking him where he learned to fight and he responds that it was self taught boar hunting.

Thomas Phillips
Thomas Phillips

Not him but I kinda see what he's getting at. It depends on which character the person sexualizes. If a fujo prefers sexualizing or drawing lewd pictures of the female Mikleo then that's pretty gay. If they don't particularly do that then it's not.

Tyler Hughes
Tyler Hughes

But wouldn't anyone prefer Mikleo to be a cute girl? Doesn't everyone love cute girls?

Zachary Nelson
Zachary Nelson

How does that make them any different from shoujofags or even hetfags. The fact that they'd rather Mikleo be a beautiful girl with a pussy, just means that people find Mikleo attractive.

The fujos go either way, so it's really not anything for user to get upset about.

James Murphy
James Murphy

How do you know that person isn't a guy wanting to fuck a female Mikleo though?

Ryan Scott
Ryan Scott

Maybe she'll get to use it if she doesn't die

fix that for you

Cameron Rivera
Cameron Rivera

You mean when Alisha thought that he was the only who lived in Elysia?

If you talk to the seraphs later in the game you find out that he learned how to fight from training with Mikleo.

William Ramirez
William Ramirez

The fujos go either way
So they're bi?

Joseph Carter
Joseph Carter

They probably had some kind of cohesion in the story up until it was mysteriously ruined by a mysterious mystery of a person. I wonder who could have done something at the last minute to make the game a total shit flop that forced them from bugfixing into cramming changes in the story and other resource alterations.

Gabriel Sanchez
Gabriel Sanchez

user, I think you're not really reading what I'm saying here. I'm not judging them on their actions. I'm saying fans are somewhat hypocritical of liking Yuri of killing another person (and only for that reason) and yet when Rose does the same thing, she gets chewed out. No one ever mentions they like Yuri for getting chewed out by the characters within the game. I'm just saying people are having a double standard here due to people's inherent bias for her having taken Alisha's spot in the game.

Joseph Wright
Joseph Wright

Alisha is alpha as fuck and makes Rose her sub.

Jason Phillips
Jason Phillips

Can ufotable save Fate?

Eli Hughes
Eli Hughes

It's more about Rose character breaking the narrative. You don't even have to like Alisha to notice this.

Ayden Cox
Ayden Cox

There's nothing wrong with it. I'm just saying they're closet dykes if they obsess over it so much. Simple as that.
The fact that they'd rather Mikleo be a beautiful girl with a pussy, just means that people find Mikleo attractive.

You can find a character attractive without projecting them into another sexuality though. Once again, I'm not criticizing fujos who want Mikleo to have a pussy so much as I'm pointing out that it's odd that they do that in the first place.

Yaoi is between two males. No matter how 'effeminate' Mikleo may seem, he has a dick, a deep voice and boyish behavior. If they really like 'yaoi', then why do they try to change him into a female? I'm just curious.

Lucas Rivera
Lucas Rivera

You lost me. I have no idea what your post has anything to do with mine, unless you're trying to make a pun of the name Yuri with yuri.

Andrew Miller
Andrew Miller

Mikleo can remodel his asshole to give birth to beautiful babies

William Torres
William Torres

I can't believe you're so dense that you can't see the difference between Yuri and Rose.

Cameron Gonzalez
Cameron Gonzalez

Are you ready to go that far for your waifu?

Adam Diaz
Adam Diaz

Because unlike Yuri, and Alisha, Rose breaks the narrative. Yuri doesn't live in a world where doing what he did causes people to turn into monsters, and is then never called out on it. I didn't even like Alisha and I noticed this.

Oliver Johnson
Oliver Johnson

Why would they have to be closet dykes though? Couldn't they just be regular dykes? Or bisexual

Jonathan Harris
Jonathan Harris

That would be the fault of the bad story-telling. But that doesn't really change the fact that the major complaint people have is her 'kill one to save thousand' philosophy which is a complete 180 of people liking Yuri of kill one to save another. Again, no one ever liked Yuri for being called out for it, so saying Rose never got called out is rather hypocritical.

Aiden Stewart
Aiden Stewart

At least then no woman can claim anymore that no man knows the ultimate suffering.

I fucking hate his propaganda.

Nathan Gray
Nathan Gray

But thus far the only person whose really obsessing over it is you.

Adrian Bell
Adrian Bell

Seraphim can't reproduce though

Camden Fisher
Camden Fisher

That's good. Even though I do like Alisha as a sub in artworks. She's terribly cute when she blushes in that kind of situation.

I just worry that it would turn into an anime that sucks Rose's dick, like the game didn't do that enough, and we'll never see Alisha again throughout the series and be forced to endure all that Rose cock-sucking.

Alexander Moore
Alexander Moore

But again, you're missing the point. Yuri never broke the narrative by existing.

Benjamin Cox
Benjamin Cox

Rather than bitch about things you don't like, why don't you guys post about things you DO like about the game/anime?

Liam Garcia
Liam Garcia

If obsessing means discussing and asking a question, sure I am.

That works too.

Evan Kelly
Evan Kelly

To be fair, shitting out a baby does sound really fucking painful.

Logan Turner
Logan Turner

Getting kicked into the balls is so painful that you can die from it.

Nathan Murphy
Nathan Murphy

But they never do that, and they never will.

Most people don't like much out of this shit game anyway.

Welcome to your average TOZ thread.

Xavier Morales
Xavier Morales

Which isn't the point. People liked Yuri for acting like an anti-hero and killing people. People rarely ever brings up the 'getting called out on it' as a reason why they like him. And I'm sure you can show me a scene where Rose knew that people can turn into monsters when she did all those things, right?

Matthew Russell
Matthew Russell

Eh, I got shot in my balls plenty of times during soccer when I played as a goalie, I'm still alive.

Gavin Perez
Gavin Perez

You're the only one whose getting weirdly upset about mere shitposting.

Easton Russell
Easton Russell

You do realize my initial post was replying to someone complaining about her 'killing one to save a thousand' philosophy, right? I have no idea why you're bringing up her breaking narrative part when that's not what I'm speaking against.

Logan Wilson
Logan Wilson

That's how these threads are. The same 45 or so fujoshits and /v/ scum post so it's repetitive.

Brody Thompson
Brody Thompson

Context matters, and in Rose's case it still matters that she was a giant hypocrite who tried to sell an idea like killing or stealing was wrong, and then she went out and did it anyway and was celebrated for her actions, like she switched from the philosophy of categorical imperative to utilitarian ethics in a splitsecond.

Robert Gutierrez
Robert Gutierrez

You have no proof they're fujos to start with. Just stop it, you're embarrassing yourself over something so stupid.

Bentley Lewis
Bentley Lewis

Maybe you're secretly a girl.
Have you tried giving birth to a loli?

Carter Diaz
Carter Diaz

What the hell are you talking about, there were plenty of people praising the anime last thread and this thread started off well with swordplay talk.

Luke Fisher
Luke Fisher

No, but you can rupture major arteries.

Colton Wood
Colton Wood

And you're the only one reading into what was otherwise a harmless discussion about fujo culture.

Oh yeah you're right, there are no little girls on Cred Forums. How could I be so foolish.

Asher Williams
Asher Williams

It is because Yuri never broke the narrative for his game. In fact, Yuri's game literally had this as a theme. You're getting focusing on the fact that people like Yuri for being an anti-hero while blatantly ignoring the actual character and game.

Christopher Kelly
Christopher Kelly

There is exactly 1 (ONE) Alisha x Rose doujin on the panda.

I hope the anime changes this.

Cooper Torres
Cooper Torres

I mean it did better use of the assets than the first game.

Elijah Wright
Elijah Wright

You have no proof they're fujos to start with.
Not that user but you don't have any proof they aren't.

Caleb Evans
Caleb Evans

Not all girls are fujos and if they really wanted Mikleo to be a girl then they wouldn't even be fujos anymore. They'd just be fans of a het relationship.

Why you're posting about supposed girls wanting to make Mikleo a girl and thus making them dykes even though the pairing would be straight is retarded.

The simple fact that they would want Mikleo to be a girl would make them not a fujo to start with. Fujos like gay pairings, and would prefer Mikleo to be a boy.

Anthony Bailey
Anthony Bailey

Tales of Degeneracy
Yes please

Luke Lee
Luke Lee

Because by the game's world that shit doesn't work.

Nicholas Johnson
Nicholas Johnson

Quints confirm his smile is worth protecting.

Lucas Brooks
Lucas Brooks

It needs some more suggestiveness. Like an onsen scene or some rude gropings. Something that would act as the catalyst for inspiring thoughts in those who don't play the games but are watching the anime.

Jacob Flores
Jacob Flores

No it's just you attemping to justify being triggered by shitpostting.

Landon Perry
Landon Perry

I'm pretty sure context doesn't matter since, as I mentioned many times, most people liked Yuri for willing to take the extra step and kill someone to save another. The 'he gets called out on it later' part rarely comes up. I get what you're saying here, but it doesn't change the fact that people like Yuri for such a superficial reason yet couldn't do the same for Rose. It's not like I'm saying they didn't butcher the characterization here. I'm saying Rose wouldn't have gotten so much flak if they do the bait-and-switch for Alisha.

Isaac Rogers
Isaac Rogers

How about something like Rose escapes with Alisha from the castle and strips her down to treat her back wound? Cue lewd?

Isaac Jenkins
Isaac Jenkins

He literally jokes with Alisha saying his fighting style is from the "prickle boar school".

Ryder Perry
Ryder Perry

And by the game's world logic, Alisha's action would have caused her nation to be smashed into the ground if it wasn't for the unlikely arrival of the Shepard.

Connor Taylor
Connor Taylor

It does because Yuri and Rose don't belong to the same story. Just because I like a character trait in one story doesn't mean that I'll like in another. It's called context user.

Dylan Ross
Dylan Ross

Typo, meant "if they didn't do the bait-and-switch for Alisha'.

Ayden Powell
Ayden Powell

They could just reuse the scene where she barges into Alisha's room and strips her down with the door open.

Cameron Watson
Cameron Watson

You mean Bartlow's aka the villain's logic, which is wrong.

Cooper Lee
Cooper Lee

If they really wanted Mikleo to be a girl then they wouldn't even be fujos anymore
That leads back to my question of why do fujos do that exact thing in the first place anyway. There are plenty of artists who draw Mikleo as both male or female and ship them with Sorey.

Again, I still haven't gotten an exact answer.
Nah, but it does sound like someone's triggered over being called a closet dyke.

Adam Wilson
Adam Wilson

I didn't like Yuri either, I was pretty neutral with him, though. I mean my favorite Tales character goes back to ToP and those were pretty generic 90s anime characters. But Rose took me aback not just because she was celebrated for her actions, but because of her attitude toward other characters that bled hypocrisy that came with her actions. It also didn't help that she was shilled by Baba.

Asher Powell
Asher Powell

And yet they liked Yuri for killing someone, with or without context to the world at large. If ToZ's marketing had been handled better, I'm almost certain people wouldn't be chewing out Rose this hard.

Ryder Ortiz
Ryder Ortiz

youtu.be/yYSQsxggmRs?t=33m55s

starting at the time stamp

Jacob Turner
Jacob Turner

Why does it bother you so much?

Jeremiah Gray
Jeremiah Gray

Why does it bother you that it bothers me?

Didn't I state that it doesn't and I'm curious enough to ask a question? Why can't you answer it instead of being mad that I'm pointing something out? This is kind of silly.

Robert Kelly
Robert Kelly

I was talking about when you revisit to return Gramp's pipe. And Sorey's explanation on why he uses a ceremonial sword.

William Allen
William Allen

Alisha couldn't save the town from the plague. It was the work of the Shepard that did it. As well as the numerous times that Sorey did his Shepard stuff. Face it, with Alisha at the helm, her nation would have died out, with or without Bartlow's actions.

Adrian Price
Adrian Price

I do like cute lewd stuff like that. Stuff that would make Alisha say cute things like "ch-chotto matte!" and blush wide-eyed in anticipation of an incipient kiss or something like that, or get surprised by being touched in a rather uncomfortable spot. Among other ideas.

Lincoln Mitchell
Lincoln Mitchell

And yet they liked Yuri for killing someone

Wat

What version of ToV did you play where this happens? EVERYONE excluding Judith chews Yuri out. Especially Estelle.

Hudson Ramirez
Hudson Ramirez

You're the one who keeps asking the question, so I'm to assume that it does bother you.

Aiden Edwards
Aiden Edwards

They're probably bi, dude. I've seen fujos draw lewds of both males and females.

Brandon Lopez
Brandon Lopez

The fans, user. The fans. I already said he gets chewed out by the characters within the game.

Josiah Campbell
Josiah Campbell

didn't karol have an existential crisis after that as well? his 'hero' just went and buried some dude in quicksand

Asher Murphy
Asher Murphy

Alisha being unable save the town isn't her fault though, nor was it ever framed as such. She's not the shepherd she can't purify the land. The only person who can do that is Sorey. That being said war spreads malevolence so her anti-war stance is actually a good thing.

Ryan Gray
Ryan Gray

And you're the one who keeps replying without answering the question, which could've ended the discussion. You're contributing nothing while implying offense over what I'm asking.
likes dicks with dicks
makes the dick into a pussy anyway
Weird, but them being bi makes that work out I guess.

Adrian Morales
Adrian Morales

People disliking Rose has nothing to do with marketing, it's about the character herself. Hell many people dislike both Alisha and her for different reasons.

Nicholas Lee
Nicholas Lee

It was not even a secret. He was actually the reason why the Zestiria team split up into two factions.

Fucking Baba I swear I hope he stays "promoted".

Lincoln Cook
Lincoln Cook

But Rose doesn't get chewed out by anyone, and her narrative isn't one that supports her actions.

Henry Jackson
Henry Jackson

Which is the point. Her anti-war stance wouldn't have accomplished shit since Malevolence wasn't something she could have handled on her own. Her actions would have lead to her nation being stomped into the ground since the other nations aren't in the right mind to listen to her. If there was no Malevolence, then Alisha's soft-handed tactics might have succeeded, but not here. Reason and logic just can't do shit against the supernatural, especially on such a large scale.

Juan Collins
Juan Collins

I hope by that quotation usage you mean "eternally sent death threats up until his actual death".

John Smith
John Smith

You're talking to more than one user you, know that right?

Thomas Turner
Thomas Turner

Nips like BL, faceless men and het. Yuri not so much, except for a foreplay for a threesome or a gangbang by faceless men

Landon Watson
Landon Watson

This is funny considering on Berseria, the Shepard actually does what Rose was trying to do in Zestiria, and it was actually bad as fuck. Like so bad, that the Shepards were actually the evil ones. Not the Lord of Calamity.

Alexander Murphy
Alexander Murphy

I've already explained that part already. I don't want this to turn us yelling in circles, so just follow the chains of replies or something. I really don't feel like repeating myself for the x-th time already.

Caleb Cox
Caleb Cox

I wasn't aware.

Jackson Evans
Jackson Evans

Sorey should become an archaeology professor. Glasses Sorey art where?

Let's be honest here. Without the Shepherd, the entire world is fucked, regardless of what Alisha does or doesn't do.

Adrian Roberts
Adrian Roberts

Being a yurifag is suffering

Asher Thompson
Asher Thompson

I'm not sure how you're getting that people liked Yuri based on killing some fag. Yuri's entire character was Robin Hood. Hell, watch the anime and you'll get a very compartmentalized demonstration of what makes Yuri such a well-liked person, without resulting to edgelord bullshit.

Aaron Rodriguez
Aaron Rodriguez

And your point is lost user. All that means is that Alisha is ineffective to purifying malevolence, it doesn't mean that she's wrong about the war being bad for everyone involved. In fact as seen from this episode and the equivalent scene in the game it's just the opposite. The war is bad for everyone including Sorey because it's making his job harder.

Jayden Cruz
Jayden Cruz

"Promoted" in quotation marks in the Japanese industry means, he was given a title in Baba's case, he became the "General Supervisor" of the Tales series, in which he actually does NOTHING. He was just given that title so that it would look like Namco cared for him. But the truth is he is rotting somewhere in their offices because of the disaster he caused.

James Jackson
James Jackson

I've already explained that part already.

No you didn't. You blamed it on marketing for some fucking reason.

Josiah Watson
Josiah Watson

Yeah, that's kinda my point. Alisha's anti-war message really wouldn't have worked without the existence of the Shepard. Granted, the entire world wouldn't have worked either, but the point stands, Alisha really needed Sorey to get her point across.

Elijah Gutierrez
Elijah Gutierrez

I've been enough ToV threads to know that scene is what people like to post the most about Yuri. What happens afterward like him getting chewed out usually gets talked about in a few posts between few posters before they go back to waifu-posting.

Grayson Richardson
Grayson Richardson

Mobage games haven't got on that yet. There's Rolance Noble Sorey though.

Ian Allen
Ian Allen

Without the Shepherd, the entire world is fucked
Actually no.

The Shepard is the one that started this fucking mess.

Colton Morales
Colton Morales

most people liked Yuri for willing to take the extra step and kill someone to save another.

I have no idea why that was made a big deal of. Main Characters who are okay with killing are completely normal in Tales. The first game is basically Cless chasing Dhaos around time and space to kill him thrice, giving very little fucks to the whole "he actually had good intentions" plotline. Abyss has that part at the beginning where Luke feels queasy about killing people for the first time in his life, gets told to deal with it and they go on murdering folks for the rest of the game.

Luis Stewart
Luis Stewart

How do I know you didn't make this graph yourself, based on numbers you pulled from your ass?

Ayden Williams
Ayden Williams

Wasn't it the kid's idea in the first place?

Brayden Richardson
Brayden Richardson

this the last episode or is there one more in the cour?

Luke Allen
Luke Allen

They were both in on it.

Camden Barnes
Camden Barnes

Her anti-war stance wouldn't have accomplished

Except that's fucking wrong as demonstrated in Berseria. Alisha's stance in the anime is the SAME fucking morale behind Velvet's crew. the idea that it wouldn't matter if you purified all the malevolence in the world, if you didn't deal with the root problem(war and strife), it would just keep coming back indefinitely.

Ufo is literally intersecting Alisha's values to Berseria's cast, which in turn is antithesis to Rose's ideal(which were also mirrored in Artorious). Hell it's -very- noticeable the writing team is trying hard to retcon Zestiria's values and bring them in line with Berseria's just by examining Alisha and Rose's showdown, the newly added scene were Sorey visits the graveyard, etc.

Evan Campbell
Evan Campbell

Damn where she be hiding those titties

Anthony Cox
Anthony Cox

He's talking about Michael.

Landon Peterson
Landon Peterson

Let's be honest here. Without the Shepherd, the entire world is fucked

Except it's not, as demonstrated in Berseria. There were no sheperds. In fact, the purification gimmick was just something Phi developed when decked Laphi in the dick. Prior to that, they figured they could quell the malevolence just by fixing the conditions around them.

Caleb White
Caleb White

There are actually several user pointing this out to you. Your point makes no sense because you only want to talk about the fact that people like Yuri for being a anti-hero but also wish to conveniently ignore the actual character and story that he comes from.

That leads up to your point just having no basis to it.

Adrian Perez
Adrian Perez

Just wait to Mikleo win the SoreyBowl for the 4th time

Nathan White
Nathan White

Hell Velvet was a malevolence factory and they kept that shit in check lol. Fuck Rosetorious.

Cooper Rodriguez
Cooper Rodriguez

Yet it will never be as good as Berseria.

Anthony Miller
Anthony Miller

It couldn't have been anymore than it already was Sorey is the shepherd whose duty is to purify the land of kegare. Kegare spreads to discontent but not all the time. War is the biggest cause discontent, a princess wants to stop the war but can't due to mitigating factors that she isn't at fault for, but if she doesn't advocate for peace then no one else will.

Brayden Watson
Brayden Watson

I haven't been paying attention to this anime at all. It's well liked? But the game was garbage? Did the "fix" a lot of things, then?

Christopher Cooper
Christopher Cooper

And then Rose can win the AlishaBowl at the same time for a double gay end

Luke Powell
Luke Powell

No, it wouldn't have accomplished anything because she really couldn't do anything. She's not a Shepard, she would not have been able to handle the purification. It's a death spiral that she couldn't break out of since she lacks the supernatural powers to handle said supernatural problem. Without Sorey, her words is just that, words. She's completely right in her words and actions, but it really wouldn't do much when the plague is infecting everyone and Seraphims are being corrupted, which is just making things worse. People aren't being reasonable due to how long the Malevolence had been affecting them. Until she can get rid of it, people wouldn't be listening to her.

Jace Richardson
Jace Richardson

Berseria flopped, so no. Only fedora tippers think it was good and better than Zestiria.

Brody Anderson
Brody Anderson

Luke never gets used to it, and has nightmares about it throughout the game. Generally speaking people in modern society don't look kindly on those who find it easy to kill.

Lucas Cox
Lucas Cox

This.

Ufotable and the Berseria team are shitting on EVERYTHING Baba did.

Fuck that Baba Yaga.

Angel Gonzalez
Angel Gonzalez

Caring about this universe's plot.
lol. All that happens is whatever the writer/director wants to happen.

Ayden Ramirez
Ayden Ramirez

Which Tales would you fuck?

Alexander Butler
Alexander Butler

Did they "fix" a lot of things
That's actually what I'm wondering, because the game WAS garbage, and yes, there were reasons beyond the simple bait and switch, but that really did contribute to why people hate the game. It SEEMS like, from the impressions, that this anime is taking a turn from it in some senses, so I'm gonna give it a shot, but it's still not clear.

Jayden Myers
Jayden Myers

None of these, these girls suck

Jace Cook
Jace Cook

Damn, this is like some B or C grade tier shit.

Ayden Watson
Ayden Watson

checked

Ethan Gomez
Ethan Gomez

I'm gonna assume this anime is going to be based on how the original writing was meant to be played out before Baba inserted himself into the project.

leftover Alisha weapons in future scenarios of the game

Christopher Perez
Christopher Perez

Not that user, but yes it does accomplish something, by stopping the war she might not be doing anything to the malevolence that's already there but she is stopping it from spreading to areas where it isn't and preventing it from taking over areas that Sorey has already purified.

Sorey can't do everything himself, that's why characters like Alisha and Sergei were introduced they help Sorey on quest to purify the land by attempting to create an environment where malevolence can't spread. That's why it's so important that they succeed.

Brayden Bell
Brayden Bell

It's been years since I played, but I'm pretty sure that Luke's end battle quote when the party kills humans is one where he's upset about it.

Jose Hernandez
Jose Hernandez

What part of "you don't need to be a shepherd to quell the malevolence" did you not understand? You don't need supernatural powers to return helions to their senses, they just need their horrible conditions to be unfucked.

Hell, Eizen's crew has fucking helions who got their humanity returned to them working as his shipmates. The only person they ever 'purified' was Aifread. And that's because they didn't have the luxury of time to unfuck everything that brought him that point.

If Alisha stops the war, and the conditions are met, helions return to being human. Only difference is that, in Berseria, they still looked like monsters, because Artorious made it so no one could see malaks or helion's true forms leading up to Zestiria.

Angel Turner
Angel Turner

The sales are still growing and response to the game is overall positive compared to Zestiria. Zestiria sold based on hype which quickly got dismissed when people actually played the game and the PR mess only made it worse.

That's why majority of the game copies was returned when people realized how garbage it was.

Cameron Hughes
Cameron Hughes

Yuri killed people that he knew from his own experience that would cause more trouble.
Even so, he knew that doing so is a crime..

Samuel Garcia
Samuel Garcia

He does, there's also a drama cd and a skit about it.

Noah Foster
Noah Foster

Arche

Eli Smith
Eli Smith

And I've already point it out. Most people who are fans of Yuri liked him because of his willingness to kill. The context of the world at large (him regretting it, the other characters chewing him out for it, etc...) really doesn't factor into it. It's such a superficial reason for liking him that it's almost insulting to the other fans that liked him for reasons beyond that. I get that Rose has many reasons to be disliked by the fandom, but I'm specifically calling out of her 'killing one to save thousands' philosophy that the fanbase is chewing her out on.

Zachary Jones
Zachary Jones

I didn't expect this anime to be good, I'm pretty happy with lots of Alisha too

Blake Morris
Blake Morris

In before Baba stealthly works his way onto the anime staff to ruin it and make Rose the main character.

Jacob Fisher
Jacob Fisher

Yes, something that would have be eventually drowned out by the sheer amount of Malevolence present. In the great scheme of things, unless she had a way to remove some of the utterly toxic level of Malevolence, her anti-war message would have been ignored by everyone.

How the fuck can Alisha unfuck a corrupted Seraphim and polluted water?

Caleb Davis
Caleb Davis

Don't Jinx it. This anime has restored my faith in Ufo

Brayden Johnson
Brayden Johnson

There's one more.

Jeremiah Howard
Jeremiah Howard

Did you lose it with UBW or something? I personally liked that.

Dominic Taylor
Dominic Taylor

You should really watch the episode untill the end, don't stop at the ED.

Aiden Bennett
Aiden Bennett

Since Alisha and Maltran are both present during the war do you think Maltran will reveal herself as a Hellion and betray Alisha.

Also, bets on what happens to the new cutie knights. Live, die, become Hellions?

Ayden James
Ayden James

And as you keep ignoring, they're fans of Yuri because in the game his character doesn't hurt the game's narrative. To the contrary his game is literally about the difference between "people's justice". They also like other things about him.

Rose on the other hand does hurt her game's narrative merely by existing. The game doesn't support her views and you can see the actual problem with it by looking at the story.

People like Yuri but hate Rose because like other people have pointed out he doesn't break his game's narrative, in fact his being a vigilante is a part of game's narrative. Rose on the other hand does harm her game's narrative. The reason for the difference in opinion like everyone has been pointing out to you is context.

Liam Robinson
Liam Robinson

I liked UBW more than most people seemed to but I can't say some parts of it weren't disappointed. Also God Eater that was shit

Cameron King
Cameron King

The same way Velvet and crew did it. Go to the source, fuck it up. As for corrupted people, they had quell the shit that was plaguing them, the slowly restore their faith.

The only difference between that and the shepherd is they didn't have Lailah manipulating some kid to go on a self-sacrificial genocidal inquisition.

Juan Wright
Juan Wright

See this dude? He's a fucking hellion that's also your best bro and confidant. There's also a LOLI HELLION that joins your ship's crew.

If you don't think that's tighter than sending some dipshit out to solve everything on his own, then you need to get the fuck outta here.

Jaxon Reyes
Jaxon Reyes

Bullshit. I've been in enough ToV threads to know a majority doesn't care that his vigilante justice doesn't break the narrative, just that he's willing to kill someone.

Right, cause I'm sure Alisha and the other people knew how to handle all of that without the Seraphim telling them how to. It's like you're missing the point that no one knew what the hell was really going on besides through long-forgotten legends, myths and Seraphim (to whom no one can see).

Dylan Williams
Dylan Williams

Yay!

Wyatt Wood
Wyatt Wood

Chainmail doesn't protect you from stabbing, user

Charles Miller
Charles Miller

Unless said best bro was also fucking up the town and turning into a dragon, your point is invalid.

Josiah Morales
Josiah Morales

Look around, she didn't save a damn thing

Connor Howard
Connor Howard

It's like you're missing the point that no one knew

Except Alisha was on point with what had to be done. Didn't need no faggy seraphim to figure out the best solution is to stop the war. Same way Velvet's crew figured it out.

Ian Williams
Ian Williams

Lizardmen are underappreciated.

Zachary Sanchez
Zachary Sanchez

What if Maltran has some freaky eye under that hair like Rokuro.

Camden Powell
Camden Powell

No user, malevolence doesn't just spread like the common cold. In order to for it to spread you need to have the people triggered by a negative emotion which will then cause to be infected. However, if the people don't feel a negative emotion then it won't spread. And the only way for them to not feel a negative emotion is by living a fulfilling life, which isn't something that Sorey can ensure.

This is the reason why in the game even after you completely purified an Ladylake you could still come across one or two hellions, with people around them who weren't effected.

Killing them doesn't help, and you can purify without killing but that's just pointless if you don't address the cause, as seen from that case of the kids in the woods. The little girl's reason for becoming a hellion wasn't dealt with and so she transformed again after being purified.

Blake Mitchell
Blake Mitchell

I want to hold hands with her

Aiden Martin
Aiden Martin

As have I, and people don't need to bring up the fact that Yuri doesn't break his narrative because there isn't a issue with it. A character should fit their story's narrative.

They bring it up with Rose because it is an issue with her.

Jace Bell
Jace Bell

finish Eizen's side quest in Berseria
turns out Edna likes to bully her brother, too
Cute.

Isaac Barnes
Isaac Barnes

They need to stop adapting nasu garbage. They're way too talented to be wasting time on his awful stories.

Not sure about Touken Ranbu but Zestiria has given me some hope.

Colton Lee
Colton Lee

Actually you do, but more in the way of Sorey's dream. The only way to get rid of Malevolence as a concept is for Sorey to make human and seraphim co-existence a reality. But you don't need to be shepherd to do it.

In fact Sorey isn't a shepherd when he and Mikleo embark on that quest.

Gavin Diaz
Gavin Diaz

what did she mean by this?

Tyler Williams
Tyler Williams

lizardbro in Berseria
lizardbro in Goblin Slayer

Things are starting to look up for the reptilians!

James Diaz
James Diaz

Has Alisha even cried since the first episode?

Hunter Taylor
Hunter Taylor

You know humans and seraphim(malaks) coexisted just fine in Berseria while malevolence was still a plague right? Seraphim disappearing from the world was a machination from another character who thought he could erase the malevolence, as well as the emotions causing with it. It ended up removing magic and seraphim from people's perception because of it.

If Sorey managed to make it so people could perceive seraphim again, it wouldn't have any bearing on the malevolence. He'd just get rid of the barrier bullshit Melchoir and Artorious cooked up.

Angel Peterson
Angel Peterson

No, but you see her come close in some scenes. Particularly in Marlind when she couldn't prevent people from suffering.

Sebastian Evans
Sebastian Evans

But that wasn't true co-existence because the seraphim were mostly slaves, and they became visible because of something that Artorius did.The "co-existence" during this time was a lie. Also I think you misunderstood the extra dungeon, where they explain the origin as malevolence it was a curse created by seraphim.

Elijah Long
Elijah Long

God I wish they do more shit with Maltran than in the game, she was so fucking badly characterized in the game. Maltran barely appeared at all and her "lol betrayal" moment came out of complete left field. She had zero backstory.

Fortunately Maltran's already had a larger prescence in the anime. Unfortunately, she still comes across as a generally nice person who cares for Alisha, so her betrayal will be an even bigger "wtf am I watching" moment than the game.

Bentley Brooks
Bentley Brooks

Dat increase in Edna x Onii-chan fanarts because of the anime
Thank you, Ufotable.

Adrian Butler
Adrian Butler

Wait I didn't get any of that? That was in the ex-dungeon?

Luis Williams
Luis Williams

Yup, that's why Artorius is such an asshole. Not only did he make malevolence worse I wouldn't be surprised if his actions made Seraphim wary of humans, thus prolonging the curse. But never fear Sorey will clean up after his mess, like Eleanor did before him.

Bentley Thompson
Bentley Thompson

Simply the greatest.

Blake Wilson
Blake Wilson

Will we finally get more porn of her?

Luke Roberts
Luke Roberts

Why do you think Berseriafags always say that Eleanor and Sorey were the only good shepherds?

Jaxson Brown
Jaxson Brown

The fact that Eizen design is pretty cool helps too.

Christian Wood
Christian Wood

Secondary here. Why did Eizen turn into a dragon? Could his friends not save him?

Daniel Harris
Daniel Harris

I'm counting on it.

Eizen is moe.

Jack Howard
Jack Howard

Basically they couldn't save him in Berseria because he dies in Zestiria. Eizen has really bad luck, and everyone in his domain would suffer from that bad luck, which generated malevolence. Like what that other user said, it seems like his situation just got so fucked because of his bad luck, it was inevitable that he'd turn into a dragon.

Evan Nelson
Evan Nelson

tfw the chainmail cant suppress her softness.

Kevin Sullivan
Kevin Sullivan

anime has to cover a lot of content
already episode 11
another cour won't be enough
ufotable decides to dedicate screentime to their shitty OCs

Jayden Hernandez
Jayden Hernandez

A translation from the guidebook.

From the Tales of Zestiria Official World Guidance Book, p.29
Maltran

Gender: Female
Height: 172cm (5”8’)
CV: Koyama Mami

A female knight from the Hyland Kingdom who is nicknamed the “Blue Valkyrie.”

She is a military adviser as well as an instructor for new recruits.

She taught Alisha how to fight with a lance from a young age and was the only one who supported her, as she tended to be isolated within the kingdom.

She is someone who takes her role and responsibilities seriously, and is strict even toward herself.
“What you see before you is reality and truth.”

She does not hesitate to dirty her hands for her ideal

She did not choose her fate. She was a sickly girl born into a family of knights, but succession was forced upon her after the heir’s death. When she left her hometown Marlind, she strictly disciplined herself with her strong sense of responsibility. That is how she became feared as the Valkyrie.

A few decades ago, Maltran, who had already distinguished herself in battle by that point, vanquished a whole Rolance unit by herself. Jealousy of her accomplishments turned some of her allies into hellions, and they attacked her from behind. That is when she too lost her humanity, and lost faith in the world and people full of malevolence. She believed in the ideal of destroying the world to restore it, and she joined the Lord of Calamity. Since then, she plotted to cause a great war to lead the world to destruction. She became the teacher of a dreamy and pacifist princess, and pretended to support her. Then, she pushed her to oppose the pro-war ministers so that the war would happen faster.

Jacob Watson
Jacob Watson

Cont.
Once her true nature was revealed, she tried to kill the princess to taint the Shepherd with malevolence, but she was no match to them. She died for her ideal, impaling herself on the lance of the princess, who was still trying to believe in her teacher.

“THIS is reality, Alisha.”

Herself, who was forced to become a knight and distinguish herself, and the princess, who suffers under the weight of her country—a burden she decided on her own to shoulder. They were polar opposites. Nevertheless, Maltran also held the desire to see how far her pupil would go.

Hudson King
Hudson King

Goddamn you guys are spoiling Berseria left and right here.

All I got from what you fucks are saying is that:

Berseria basically saved the Tales series
Berseria took Rose's autism and showed why she is fucked up in the head.
Artorius is a fucking asshole and it looks like Velvet has the right to be actually damn mad at him.

Tyler Sanders
Tyler Sanders

tfw they could've done so much more with Maltran's backstory but they relegated it to other material
BABAAAAAA

Kevin Young
Kevin Young

Berseria is basically the staff's giant "fuck you" to Baba after what he made them go through.

Wyatt Martin
Wyatt Martin

Packing backstory into side content is not characterization. There's literally nothing in Maltran's characterization in-game or in the anime that suggests any of what you just put down.

Evan Cox
Evan Cox

Don't forget Sorey is the only decent shepherd who succeeded despite his prime lord and squire being the most unhelpful set of bitches in the world.

Blame Baba for dropping Alisha's character, Symmonne was worse, her character is only connected to Sorey not Dezel.

Christopher Diaz
Christopher Diaz

I still remember when people were trolling on how edgy Velvet was.

Then when the game came out. She was not like that at all. Except to those that really deserved it.

Eli Jenkins
Eli Jenkins

If Apple Dragon had better taste in women, Lailah wouldn't even be the one picking Shepards anyways.
tfw your onee-chan fetish almost ruined everything

Kayden Collins
Kayden Collins

From the guidebook

Symonne

Able to manipulate illusions that are affected by feelings, she’s a seraph who is able to deceive others. By bestowing her blessing, she is able to corrupt people, and suffers from the “karma” of doing so, however she has become Heldalf’s subordinate in order to find meaning in her life. She wields great power due to her oath, though she is unable to kill her opponents thanks to it. Contrary to her appearance as a young girl, she speaks with a tone that suggests she has philosophical knowledge of the world.

“A seraph’s blessing isn’t restricted to just being something that brings happiness to humans.”

Seeking salvation with the Lord of Calamity

Loving humans, she bestowed her blessing upon a village, but because of this, the village perished. All of the villagers fell into an illness where they would endlessly sleep. The people would deny the harshness of reality, and as a result cling to the dreams of their ideal worlds that Symonne would show them. She came to realize she was an “Angel of Death”, and fell into self-denial. Heldalf recognized her power, and she was saved by being employed by him. It became a comfort for her to live with the philosophy of not fighting against her suffering.

From then on, for the purpose of the world her master wished for, she manipulated illusions from behind the scenes. She would take action together with her fellow subordinate, Lunarre, using cowardly methods to try and force the Shepherd into succumbing to malevolence. However, she’s the opposite of Lunarre, and holds a willingly self-sacrificial purity for her master, which results in her remaining a seraph without corruption.

Bentley Green
Bentley Green

Will there be another cour after this? And will that cour return this anime back to telling us of Rose's greatness like based Baba had wanted?

Joseph Rogers
Joseph Rogers

Cont.

The Shepherd, who says he’ll protect things that aren’t corrupted, but he’ll erase the hellions – she believed his actions and need to judge things were nothing more than his ego talking. Thinking back on Dezel’s death, the Shepherd faced Symonne, who was asking whether being an Angel of Death meant that one’s very existence was evil, and the boy who’d just defeated all of her illusions answered: “Anyone is allowed to exist. I’ll definitely find a way for everyone to be happy.”

She felt strong self-affirmation, and began to wail.

Now, having lost her master, Symonne, who’s illusions had broken and been seen through, is there to see where those who traveled with the Shepherd Sorey head.

Nolan Russell
Nolan Russell

Shut the fuck up, S2's happening. It's not like they bailed on the entire project like what happened to Grimgar.

Leo Walker
Leo Walker

I actually hated Sorey in the game. He was such a yes-man to everything. Did this change in the anime? Because if this changed, this means that it was the people in his surroundings that actually sucked ass.

Grayson Nguyen
Grayson Nguyen

gambeson under plate

No, boo, you use an arming jack for that. Gambeson's for when you're not using plate.

Carson Adams
Carson Adams

I thought Grimgar was only one-cour?

Thomas Cox
Thomas Cox

Even if she was edgy, it wouldn't have ruined things since what Artorius did to her really fucked everything up. Her being a smug kuudere with an otouto complex definitely made the character interactions more enjoyable.

Bentley Gonzalez
Bentley Gonzalez

Lailah mostly keeps her trap shut and lets Sorey make his own decisions.

In the manga, Lailah doesn't push there either though he starts pulling away from Rose.

Ryan Torres
Ryan Torres

It's almost like she's talking from experience.

Cameron Gonzalez
Cameron Gonzalez

Like this.

Bentley Evans
Bentley Evans

Holy shit. No one wants to have anything to do with Baba. They basically changed shit up in a non-discreet way.

Isaiah Price
Isaiah Price

So is the anime ever going to adress that Lailah is horrible at her job and only got it because she is a hot oneechan?

Sebastian Lewis
Sebastian Lewis

It looks like the anime is actually giving him a personality since he wasn't allowed to "overshadow" Rose in the game. I hope they don't make him suffer as much in the anime.
had to kill children because Rose said so
keeps being bullied by everyone for liking ruins
had to kill his own father

Ryan Gutierrez
Ryan Gutierrez

since what Artorius did to her really fucked everything up

Yeah. I remember one of the complaints of the elevens now.

"First part was good. Second part was kinda bad, because it was so sad . . ."

Michael Sanchez
Michael Sanchez

They're really laying the irony on thick in the last few episodes.

Mason Robinson
Mason Robinson

If anime still have gay ending then this is not a save.

Charles Ortiz
Charles Ortiz

Apparently the elevens were so traumatized, some of them gave lower ratings because it got to be too much.

Robert Bell
Robert Bell

Alisha gets her own harem of Rose, the archer, Maltran, Sorey and Mikleo, much to her surprise as they overwhelm her body with sexy sensations

Charles Rogers
Charles Rogers

Right after Sorey says that "killing one to save a thousand" mentality doesn't work.

Caleb Foster
Caleb Foster

It's not "apperently". That really was the case. I was actually surprised they gave low ratings because of that. It shouldn't be that way.

3 main complaints were:

It is so sad
It is connected to Zestiria
Somewhat reused assets

Easton Howard
Easton Howard

Is this actually good? I'd probably watch it as a Talesfag that likes ufo but even liking ufo can't save you from snoozfests like God Eater and I heard Zestiria was shit.

Ryan Hall
Ryan Hall

Sorey also outright explains why Rose's creed is bullshit, right before Alisha tells Rose to stop wasting her time.

Juan White
Juan White

Complete newfag here.

I'm rather bored and don't feel like watching other stuff in the backlog and Zestiria caught my eye.

What kinda ride am I in for?

Zachary Lewis
Zachary Lewis

They turned Alisha from a huge bitch who gets pushed around to a complete badass in the anime.

It's pretty great.

Nathan Perry
Nathan Perry

How should I know? I can't predict the future.

Easton Morris
Easton Morris

It is so sad
This kind of thing bothers me. Stories used to be treasured for their ability to illicit strong emotions, whether sad, angry, or happy. Now we just want some moe happy ending Disney quality shit.

Hunter Nelson
Hunter Nelson

LMAO

Yo I gotta watch the show now. It seems like they changed shit up. Fuck Baba.

Isaac Martinez
Isaac Martinez

People don't want to be sad or challenged anymore, they want to feel safe, in their spaces.

Jose Clark
Jose Clark

Do you mean "bitch" as in she was a doormat pussy or "bitch" as in feminist cunt? I don't feel like she was the latter, but I did feel like she was a pushover at times.

But that's also what made her adorable at times

Justin Hughes
Justin Hughes

Then they can invest in a tumblr. Encountering sad situations builds character. I bet they'd be the kind of people who'd avoid attending a family member's funeral because "it's so sad". I hate these kinds of people.

Cameron Garcia
Cameron Garcia

I agree but to be fair Tales started off with things like phantasia and eternia which were really light hearted.

Once we got to like Xillia everything became pretty grimdark, especially 2 and zestiria which had murdered kids and butchering your entire party.

I think it's pretty neat but I can see how elevens with their shit taste won't like the change.

Leo Murphy
Leo Murphy

I hope we get an episode with MaoMao explaining how horrible Rose is to everyone, is that too much to ask?

Colton Long
Colton Long

They also made it so that the person who purifies a human gets hit with the backlash of that person's memories. So Rose can't be kill happy like she was in the game.

Robert Thompson
Robert Thompson

Sorey if he met Arotorius would probably join Velvet in her quest to stop him. That is the Sorey without Baba forcing him to become a dorrmat.

Jonathan Richardson
Jonathan Richardson

Not even Phi could save him, but I bet it was due to Zestria that they couldn't. Since he had to die in the original game, in the prequel they couldn't save him.

Ryan Russell
Ryan Russell

It's only too much if he doesn't have Lailah giving him headpats while he does it.

Tyler Carter
Tyler Carter

Don't blame him, blame Velvet and Eleanor who raised him to be weak to cute onee-chans.

Gabriel James
Gabriel James

angry breeder tears

Suffer more, slave.

Andrew Russell
Andrew Russell

I can't really blame him for that, because seriously I'd be weak to the two of them if they were my onee-chans

Ryder Gonzalez
Ryder Gonzalez

Why are they complaining, in the end, the Apple Dragon protected Velvet's smile and gave her a happy ending.

Ayden White
Ayden White

I felt like this entire scene needed to have badass explosions going off in the background every time Alisha said something after she called out Rose on raising a blade against royalty.

ywn woo a sociopath with the sheer size of your metaphorical brass balls
ywn make a sociopath with a killboner swear off vengeance because of your overwhelming alphaness

Carson Jones
Carson Jones

Because it was sad. That's it.

Frankly though, her suffering surpassed Xillia 2's.

Carson Cox
Carson Cox

It got too "dark" for them. Nips really have bad taste.

Carson Bell
Carson Bell

Apple Dragon sitting on Lailah's lap while she head pats him and talks to Rose and Sorey about how the Shepherds are horrible, Rose is being stupid and Sorey is doing a good job.

Ufo you only have one job okay, one job.

Charles Thomas
Charles Thomas

I kinda would prefer to have Phi just teaching Sorey and Mikleo about how horrible women are just like Zaveid and Rokuro taught him.

Daniel Lopez
Daniel Lopez

It's her drills.

Drills have natural +10 Leadership and +10 Wisdom

Josiah Moore
Josiah Moore

If Ufotable did that. Baba would surely commit suicide or something.

Chase Ramirez
Chase Ramirez

Berseriafags need to kill themselves badly before they go back to /v/.

Josiah Lee
Josiah Lee

Aw. Rosefag is mad.

Easton Morris
Easton Morris

They're probably very aware of that fact.

Adrian Allen
Adrian Allen

Why would a princess wear armor when she has an army to protect her?

Kevin Roberts
Kevin Roberts

High on coke

Caleb King
Caleb King

Wasn't most of Xillia 2's suffering because Baba hated Ludger's character designer?

Cameron Robinson
Cameron Robinson

Isn't that how usual Tale's games goes? They usually invert the usual tropes of RPGs. The edgy one isn't actually edgy while the hero is the actual edge-master, and so forth.

Anthony Lee
Anthony Lee

phantasia and eternia which were really light hearted.
phantasia
lighthearted

Nigga, the first thing that happens in that game is a thorough introduction to your lovely village and loved ones before they're brutally murdered, particularly your best friend's cutesy little sister whom you find bleeding on the street. Later on, you drag your healer out of jail through a circuitous path to avoid walking on the room where you know her mother is hanged dead.

Logan Jackson
Logan Jackson

What's the rest of the royal family like? Her dad seems pretty distant. Surely, she has older, more important siblings running around and doing heir-y things?

Ayden Reyes
Ayden Reyes

In symphonia they also drowned an entire village which was pretty dark but the main difference is that for the most part they don't dwell on it too much. Newer tales take themselves a lot more seriously, barring the intro the rest of phantasia was pretty standard JRPG stuff. In xillia 2 depressing shit happens left and right.

Ryder Price
Ryder Price

I would believe it. I can see why there are people even within his company that hate Baba's guts.

Zachary Rogers
Zachary Rogers

I thought I could fix the Shepherds
But noooo one generation later everyone starts screaming kill the hellions
Now the only Prime Lord left is doing it wrong too
So really, thanks for not being a retarded Shepherd

Kevin Baker
Kevin Baker

Let's be fair. Has there ever been a JRPG that doesn't burn down a village or two?

Levi Parker
Levi Parker

Like I said, that scene would be priceless. Plus Sorey really deserves to be thanked for finally doing a good job as a Shepherd.

Luke Bennett
Luke Bennett

Not really, I think most of the tales main characters are your usual moralfag or likeable dumb fuck that loves eating.
Also, most of Tales characters are very set on anime tropes, for example the token traitor guy that almost every Tales game has.

David Edwards
David Edwards

Well that's the most popular rumor.

In regards to rumors, is it true that Baba was the reason why Asbel's characterization was fucked up in Graces?

Justin Torres
Justin Torres

Considering all the shit Sorey went through, just being with his waifu for eternity and way from those two harpies might seem like paradise to him.

Anthony Kelly
Anthony Kelly

Symphonia never felt that dark despite all the shit that happened.

Jayden Thomas
Jayden Thomas

Sorey
You mispelled husbandou

Alexander Cox
Alexander Cox

I like how people complain about horrible things happening in Zestiria and party members not dwelling on it when that shit has happened all the fucking time in tales games. In fact, people bitched when killing people in battles was actually addressed in Abyss.

But hey, Rose and Baba are evil so who gives a shit.

Noah Kelly
Noah Kelly

Okay, the changes noted here between the game and the anime alone have convinced me to pick up ToZX. Downloading now.

Why are the encodes so big though? I just want a small filesize and quicker download due to my lack of HDD space.

Charles Wilson
Charles Wilson

But hey, Rose and Baba are evil so who gives a shit.
Well they really are evil.

Ryder Thomas
Ryder Thomas

I feel bad for Rose's VA, though. Hideo is even a married man (so I'm assuming, anyway), he has no right to be doting on some VA like a cucking faggot.

Jason Bell
Jason Bell

Of course no one is blaming Rose's VA.

Especially after what Baba did to her when his shit fell apart.

He made her apologize in his stead in a fanmeet while her doing a dogeza. Shit's fucked up.

Ryder Campbell
Ryder Campbell

I know, it's just that it broke my heart to see her apologize on behalf of it all and taking the blame even if it wasn't her fault, that one time.

Angel Sanchez
Angel Sanchez

All you in your slow heavy armour and big weapons
I may not be able to kill you when you're in that armour but you'll never catch me fatty

Y-you don't have a h-horse...right?

Cameron Brooks
Cameron Brooks

Same, I'm not sure why. It's rather generic and the premise is barf numbingly awful (MUH KEGARE) but it's comfy.

Lincoln Williams
Lincoln Williams

Mikleo went through a lot of shit too, in one day he basically lost everyone he loved most. His mother, his grandfather, and then Sorey. And this is after he watched Sorey suffer under said harpies while being unable to do anything about it.

Takes some next level emotional strength to not break after all of that shit they went through and loyally wait for your husbando for over a hundred years.

Anthony Walker
Anthony Walker

Why is she so gallant lads?
alisha will never whiteknight you

Aiden Thompson
Aiden Thompson

I like how people complain about horrible things happening in Zestiria and party members not dwelling on it when that shit has happened all the fucking time in tales games. In fact, people bitched when killing people in battles was actually addressed in Abyss.

People have always complained about it. One of the main complains with Abyss is that after all the stuff Luke goes through to come to terms with what he did, Anise's actions get brushed aside with a little sappy "we know you're sorry, it's all cool."

Jackson Martinez
Jackson Martinez

Because of ufotable basically trying to repair all the damage that Bababooey caused. I know the answer already, but it just makes me want to say anyway, why couldn't the game be like that? Along fixing all the gameplay issues.

Tyler Ross
Tyler Ross

I want her to penetrate me with her spear if you guys know what i mean

Jordan Barnes
Jordan Barnes

Because Zestiria members don't think about it at all, and their setting makes that shit just weird, especially when they do get on the case of the MC who isn't isn't a moralfag, he's just acting like any normal person would.

Nathaniel Taylor
Nathaniel Taylor

People always complained about Anise's crimes getting brushed under the rug.

Angel Nelson
Angel Nelson

Nips like BL, faceless men and het. Yuri not so much, except for a foreplay for a threesome or a gangbang by faceless men

Can we brainwash otaku into thinking like fujos in shipping between 2 girls

Kayden Reed
Kayden Reed

How about something like Rose escapes with Alisha from the castle and strips her down to treat her back wound? Cue lewd?

Maybe have Alisha wear that outfit as well

Andrew Ward
Andrew Ward

It may have been, but because Baba wanted to get his dick wet...

Levi Sanchez
Levi Sanchez

what a lewd dress.

Wyatt Flores
Wyatt Flores

Oh yeah I forgot Baba is married.

Goddamn his wife must be so pissed.

Jordan Murphy
Jordan Murphy

Baba said that the Alisha DLC will be about Alisha

Alisha: You're really strong Rose

Good job Baba. Even in the end you just had to shill out your sociopathic girl.

Grayson Smith
Grayson Smith

Maybe she's a fujoshi.

Luis Gray
Luis Gray

How else would they sneak a knight and princess of Highland around Rolance.

Austin Gomez
Austin Gomez

Tempest R fucking when

Joseph Fisher
Joseph Fisher

Even Nip fujos aren't fond of Rose.

Ian Price
Ian Price

I just realized that this episode means that the one who'll save Sorey will most likely be Sergei.

Benjamin Green
Benjamin Green

Picked up.

Colton Collins
Colton Collins

I still like the original design for Alisha's outfit in that scenario. This one seems a bit too cluttered in my opinion.

Asher James
Asher James

Great. Sergei deserves better. He ended up jobbing so hard in the game.

Nathan Diaz
Nathan Diaz

If they let Sergei shine then this anime really will be superior to the game.

Anthony Jenkins
Anthony Jenkins

Maybe have Alisha wear that outfit as well
No thanks.

Nicholas Kelly
Nicholas Kelly

Seriously. He got shafted hard in the game. His relationship with Alisha could've been expanded; like him becoming her mentor and showing how her ideals could work in real life.

Not to mention that skit where you first meet him was gold.

Lucas Morris
Lucas Morris

Speaking of which,
what is Lailah doing during the Berseria time period?
Pretty sure she has already been born since she is older then Edna.

Dylan Wood
Dylan Wood

Judgning by this episode he probably won't meet Alisha just yet, but it'd be nice if he mentors Sorey. If they do this to lead up to the reveal about Hedalf being Sorey's father and keep the manga's twist and the reveal about Camlann and Maotelus it'd be even better.

Lincoln Davis
Lincoln Davis

At this stage I worry the anime strays too far from the flawed characters of the game. Characters are not meant to be perfect flawless badasses or whatever. Yes, Dezel body jacking Rose was ass move, but it's part of who he was and he redeemed himself. Lines like that also seem like they are taking Alisha too far in the realms of badass, when she was a sweetheart. Her not always being able to be as strong as she wanted and the struggle to be stronger is also part of her character. It means nothing if all of a sudden she does everything effortlessly.

Hudson Turner
Hudson Turner

Ufotable are just dumbing down everything and giving more hype. The same happened with Unlimited Blade Works. Giving more action and hype but simplifying more of the story..

They are basically giving Alisha way purpose, development and badassery more than giving Sorey anything. Too much Alisha pandering...

Connor Long
Connor Long

The characters in the game were nothing but flawed, especially Alisha. Alisha just plain wasn't allowed to succeed in doing anything her entire purpose in the game was to be useless so that Rose could appear superior.

That's not the say Alisha is always succeeding just two episodes ago, she was in tears over the fact that she was effectively useless to the people of Marlind. The only character that Alisha is succeeding over is Rose, but then again Rose was never in the right in the first place.

No, the series cuts back and forth between Alisha and Sorey, in fact this and last episodes were the first time that she ever did anything of consequence without Sorey.

James Jenkins
James Jenkins

She still has her weak scenes where she feels like things are too much for her to handle, they just aren't ninty percent of her screen time anymore.

Instead they decided to have more scenes like when she busted into the council room to save Sorey.

Luke Young
Luke Young

I like this since it really emphasizes the fact that her strong will is what is keeping her going.

The game just kept me wondering why the hell she didn't turn into a hellion after all the shit she's been through. I actually thought that was the direction they were taking with her since she left the party.

Lucas Cooper
Lucas Cooper

you are severely, severely overestimating the writing in the game

Liam Green
Liam Green

Holy shit, I just started watching this series. That episode 0. This is way better than I anticipated. Did the nonBaba devs have a hand in this as consultants? Or is it freshly ufotable's interpretation?

Adrian Rogers
Adrian Rogers

I'd give a kidney to have that outfit for him in the game.

Mason Cox
Mason Cox

So guys Rolance or Hyland?

Isaiah Nguyen
Isaiah Nguyen

dumb hat

Cameron Bell
Cameron Bell

I actually thought that was the direction they were taking with her since she left the party.
According to the Will Of Baba, she might as well have turned into one secretly.

Dominic Brooks
Dominic Brooks

Isn't much of a surprise, people who complain about the anime, tend to overstate the game's characterization by a mile. The truth is the game was lacking in characterization for all of it's characters, who all ended up being one-note.

Lincoln Nguyen
Lincoln Nguyen

Berseria is shit and Velvet is the shittiest Tales MC in recent times.

Justin Allen
Justin Allen

Neither.

Cooper Hernandez
Cooper Hernandez

He said two episodes ago that he was going to Rolance.

Mason Hughes
Mason Hughes

t. Hideo Baba

Levi Hill
Levi Hill

Alisha wasn't a 'flawed' character, she was a character to be pitied, a character who tried hard but seemingly fails yet gets back up again for god knows what reason. The narrative just isn't devoted her paneltime to SUFFERING anymore, she's allowed to be competent.

I do think her gung ho positive vibes and spine are too pronounced at times because she surely wasn't this headstrong, but I'd rather this than.. her being stepped on.

They are giving her all of this hype BECAUSE she likely won't be getting much else next cour.

Austin Williams
Austin Williams

Alisha covered in bugs
I swear, if there wasn't 34 drawn about this
pixiv.net/member_illust.php?mode=medium&illust_id=57958833
Eh, close enough, I guess.

Samuel Bailey
Samuel Bailey

I think it's also to make up for the bait and switch they did in the game.

Sebastian Wilson
Sebastian Wilson

I don't know if you can even call that bait and switch, in the game there were too many signs of dropped plots, including some with Alisha, but there weren't any real subplots with Rose. Hell Rose doesn't even have a theme song.

Chase Jackson
Chase Jackson

Hell Rose doesn't even have a theme song.
Which is really funny.

Baba kept on saying how Rose was actually the heroine.

She doesn't have a theme song.
Alisha has one.

Baba you fucking liar.

Tyler Smith
Tyler Smith

Not in Berseria. Berseria is God's gift to Tales after what the demon Baba and his whore slut Rose did. May they burn in hell.

Jordan Roberts
Jordan Roberts

Cont.

Also, a literal semen demon.

Ethan James
Ethan James

I call it a bait and switch since they advertised Alisha as the heroine, and then Baba came and changed everything before the marketing team could do anything.

Isaiah Mitchell
Isaiah Mitchell

Honestly I feel like the story of that game's production is much more interesting than the actual one we got.

But I'll bet we'll never hear the full story, since it will probably just give more ammunition for people to aim at Baba.

Adam Lee
Adam Lee

I hope she gets to go on adventures with everyone in Rolance.

I'm prepared to be disappointed though.

Austin Stewart
Austin Stewart

Hell Rose doesn't even have a theme song.
The entire game is Rose's theme song.

Lincoln Hall
Lincoln Hall

After what the game did to Alisha (and as a consequence, her VA's chance to shine as a star role), she really deserved this. I'm glad the anime is not completely like the game.

Noah Reyes
Noah Reyes

Just fuck already.

Robert Moore
Robert Moore

Yes. Alisha deserves to die.

Aaron Taylor
Aaron Taylor

Okay I laughed.

Oliver Sullivan
Oliver Sullivan

The Japanese wiki for the whole debacle is a funny read though. A lot of cover ups and stuff happening prior to the game being launched.

I fucking hate you. That was what I was gonna post earlier. I just didn't go through with it.

Alexander Sanders
Alexander Sanders

This is one of those rare adaptations that pop up once in a blue moon where people are actually glad things are getting changed.

It really shows how much the game fucked up in that regard.

Lucas Wilson
Lucas Wilson

Threesome with Sorey while Meebo gets raped by Edna when?

Adam Myers
Adam Myers

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Jordan Moore
Jordan Moore

Don't worry, surely they will and there'll be a double homo end

Elijah Evans
Elijah Evans

t. Hideo Baba

Isaac Peterson
Isaac Peterson

I chuckled, and I hate myself for it.

Ryan Edwards
Ryan Edwards

All this Alishafaggotry the anime is piling on really justifies my decision to buy her fig, I feel. Good times.

double homo end
PRAISE UFOTABLE!

Sorey and Meebo deserve love, too. Tender, consensual, emotionally fulfilling love.

Lincoln Hernandez
Lincoln Hernandez

This is one of those rare adaptations that pop up once in a blue moon where people are actually glad things are getting changed.
Reminds me of Sailor Moon, where people tend to prefer the first anime series.

William Roberts
William Roberts

I love the little hearts all over the place on the girls designs. Edna has some on her skirt, Lailah on her sleeves, Rose on the little pouches and so on. It's really cute.

Joseph Lopez
Joseph Lopez

Meant to quote and

Charles Fisher
Charles Fisher

You forget that nimble movements require no strength in fiction for some reason, just like archery.
You forget that these characters are legit superhuman

Brandon Carter
Brandon Carter

I don't care if the anime has a double gay ending. I just wanted Alisha to get her comeuppance.

Robert King
Robert King

Who tops who in the bed?

Liam Turner
Liam Turner

Rose, Alisha is still naive about sexual things

Brayden Mitchell
Brayden Mitchell

Raped, humiliated and murdered? Sure, why not? If the anime is already grim dark serious business with its heart and soul stripped out, just go all the way.

Tyler Gutierrez
Tyler Gutierrez

Is Rose still a virgin or the whole group of assassins already taking turns of her?

Jaxson Collins
Jaxson Collins

Fuck off. Rose is pure.

Christian Evans
Christian Evans

t. Hideo Baba

Even if the latter was happening, Baba would STILL try to say she's pure and a virgin, so you can't really argue.

t. Hideo Baba

Bentley James
Bentley James

I never played the game, but in spite of the negativity Rose receives in these threads, I find her quite interesting and cool.

Also, if Alisha x Rose are like anything the anime shows has shown then I can see why some people ships them together. There's some real tension between then.

Jacob Morales
Jacob Morales

Dezel made her his personal cum dump and spooked off anyone else who tried.

Wyatt Perry
Wyatt Perry

She was allright for a foil, the problem stems from when Hideo decided to insert his fat face into the production and ruin everything and make the show all about his fapping to Rose and her VA, despite being a fucking married man. I'm sure withot his interference, things would have gone over smoothly and there'd be less ostracization of her character and even I'd probably be like "wow, that Rose character is kind of cute". But regrettably, all I can see in her is Baba's ugly face, too.

Maybe the anime will change that. It's doing a good job so far.

Leo Morris
Leo Morris

I never played the game
I find her quite interesting and cool.

That's because you are watching the show.

The show is actually very different now in what's happening in regards to the characterization.

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